April 29, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss a range of topics beginning with the controversial actions of a judge who allegedly helped an illegal immigrant escape from justice. They delve into the implications of immigration policies, the media's role in shaping narratives, and the recent White House Correspondents' Dinner, reflecting on the state of political discourse in America. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, guys, go back normally the show with normal When
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am Mary Catherine here, and I'm Carol Marco and
Tim Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
How was your weekend? It was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I was in Charleston, so I ate like seventeen in
two days.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh yeah, Charleston is definitely one of my favorite food cities.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What did you have?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Mostly Southern food because I don't get as much great
Southern food in DC. Although I went by a crepery
that someone suggested because there is the French Quarter in Charleston.
But I had dinner at Husk because I got a
five pm reservation for one and I was like, yes,
I will take it. And by the way, that Welcome
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to South Carolina. Price is so reasonable, so reasonable.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I keep thinking I have to look up like what
colleges are there, because I kind of want to direct
my kids to go that in that direction.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Carleton, I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Think is like any big bargain, like you pay for it,
but it is a lovely place.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Okay, I want to look at that because I I
worry about my kids ending up in some like you know,
Michigan or something.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hillsdale is going to curse your name now.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I love Hillsdale. I love Hillsdale. I was actually when
I was when I said that, I was picturing Anne
Arbor and them in ann Arbor and me coming to visit.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
If they go to Hillsdale, I could live with.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I could live with the weather.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
We can we can make it happen.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I understand I too, am too soft for ann Arbor
in the temperature and have questions about the ideology.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Exactly right.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's been a few days of lots and lots of news.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I think the biggest story is a.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Judge that helped an illegal immigrant escape from her courtroom,
and I think a lot of people are confused about
the details of the story.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So we're going to break it down.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
But Judge Hannah Dugan, who has been on the Milwaukee
County bench nearly a decade, she's accused of obstructing justice
and concealing Eduardo Flores Ruez from arrest following a pre
trial hearing last week. So I think, what a lot
of people don't realize, and I've heard people comment.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
About this on the internets.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
He was not in her courtroom for that pre trial hearing.
He was there because he beat up somebody and really hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Them, accused of punching someone thirty times in the face
over a dispute.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Over dispute about loud music. So you know, not that
it's better or worse one way or the other. But
I think a lot of people think that she was
doing the pre trial hearing for his deportation and maybe
took pity on him because he was such a good guy. No,
he was a criminal. He was a full on criminal
who she did not want to see get deported, despite
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the fact that she's the ruling on this criminal case.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Can I also just like interject here with like, when
you have any experience with the justice system and you
realize his victim's alleged victims, I guess he was not
yet convicted, or maybe he was. Anyway, they're there to
be witnesses, they're there to help this process. Yeah, I'm
sure they've been waiting for justice for quite some time.
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They block out their entire day, probably take off work,
go to confront someone who's quite scary, who's allegedly already
beaten them, right, and then he's just whisked away by
the judge in their case to escape federal law enforcement.
How does that feel if you're a victim.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's a good I imagine not good, and it really
throws into question our whole system. Right her attorney, So
she gets arrested, and her attorney during the proceeding says
Judge Dugan wholeheartedly regrets and protests her arrest. It was
not made in the interest of public safety. I don't
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know what any of those words mean, Like those are
a bunch of random words put into a sentence that
make no sense. She regrets and protests her arrest, and
the arrest was not made in the interest of public safety.
Still committed a crime potentially, so that's why the arrest
was made, whether or not it was for public safety.
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The ice comes into her courtroom during that incident with
a warrant for Flora's Ruis's arrest. They're not just nabbing
him off the street. They have a warrant to arrest him.
He had been deported from the US once before in
twenty thirteen. Again somebody who broke the law broke it again,
committed crimes while in America, and this judge is like,
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let me usher you out the back door, which is
what she does.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
She takes him through a.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Door meant only for juries. And this is where we
are in America today.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, and of course the left is like, you can't
do stuff like this in America. And our friend Stephen
Miller Redste's on X says, everyone take off your no
one is above the law hats and put on your
arresting members of the opposition party has Banana Republic stuff windbreakers,
because they do.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Just switch whenever they feel like it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Right, Because as long as you're executing a warrant on
Trump or fabricating charges for Trump, right, that's all above board.
As long as you're protecting Hunter Biden or this guy,
that's all above board. It's all completely situational Calvin Ball,
and I'm sick of it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And the idea that people who have.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Entered our country illegally at the very least just keep
your nose clean while you're here, right, like this idea
that people have to have six chances be deported once
come back, do some more crime and beatings, right, and
then this woman's going to be like lionized for protecting
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you over the American citizens that you have allegedly beaten.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I just it's driving me insane.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's bananas. And you know, America voted for Donald Trump
to deal with this issue, and so I have to imagine,
for example, the conservatives on the New York Times editorial page,
opinion page. They must be really happy about this, right, MARKA.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Can we hear a little bit from David Brooks about this,
and we'll break down this clip after he has his say.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But here he is talking about this judge.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Well, obviously they're trying to send a note of intimidation
not only to her, but to all charges and maybe
to all Americans. But I don't yet know the specific
details of this case, whether she escorted the guy at
the jury door, or whether she's let him or it's
so that's all, Mark, I don't want to comment on
this specific case, but especially on the issue of immigration,
there are a lot of people who are appalled by
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what the administration is doing, and there will be times
for civil disobedience. And to me, if she, let's say,
she did escort this guy out the door, If federal
enforcement agencies come to your courtroom and you help a
guy escape, that is two things. One, it strikes me
as maybe something illegal, but it also strikes me as
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something heroic, and in times of trouble then people are
sometimes called to do civil disobedience, and in my view,
when people do civil disapients, they have to pay the price.
That's part of the heroism of it. Frankly, And so
you can both think that she shouldn't have legally done
this and that morally protecting somebody against maybe not even
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in this case, but in other cases frankly, a predatory
enforcement agency.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I mean, for real, Like, what are we talking about here?
He is a criminal.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Also, just I don't know the details of this case,
but what I'm talking about it anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, that's actually a classic.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, what's not his most recent car or an April
column he wrote, by the way, is what's happening is
not normal. America needs an uprighting, an uprising that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Is not normal. Sure, try that again.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
This is insane to me, and it's such a it's
such a moral cop out just to be like everything
that we want to do is resistance is morally justified
because I say so when I mean, when we were
resisting by sending children to school without masks, it was like,
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how dare you dare.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You never want to die?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And then look, yes, civil disobedience is sometimes called for.
The idea that civil disobedience on behalf of this person
whose needs are being put above the justice required for
his alleged victims.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Is that's a moral. That's a moral.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And then there's there's the other judge out in New
Mexico who was allegedly harboring a trend Aragua illegal immigrant.
And yeah, I think that if you are credibly accused
of these crimes, that you should be arrested.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Absolutely and deported. It's so not sorry, not the judges deported,
but we should be deporting, you know, right, yeah, absolutely,
this is an easy call. And the fact that the
Democrats have decided to make this their last stand is
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just wild to me.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
One more point, just tangents on illegal immigration. Someone really
hit the lotto in the bad way, because did you
see that the person's accused of taking the purse of
Christy Nome, head of Department of aland Security. We're found
to be here illegally, like, oh, you're crapped out man.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That was the wrong well, the wrong bag, exact wrong
purse to pick up my friend.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, it's sad, you know, I was thinking about this,
but it's a lot of this is it's a problem
for the Trump administration truly how quickly they solve the
border because I think David Brooks is probably hitting something
correct here, which is people are going to have their
little heartstrings pulled about how these deportations are happening. These
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people entered illegally and they're being kicked out and how
dare we really? But when the border crisis was going on,
people understood why that was necessary. Now that it's not,
it's like you have this huge win, but people have
short memories, and you have the David Brooks's of the
world feeling sorry for these violent illegal immigrants.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, No, I do think they sort of took that
issue away from themselves by proving so quickly how they
could fix it. That of course also proves that Biden
was full of it for four years letting it happen.
This is why I think a lot of voters and
I myself, will give them some leeway on enforcement. Now
when they make a mistake, they should correct that mistake.
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But there will be some issues because Biden has given
them a ten million person problem. I saw a piece
on it was a San Francisco paper, so you know,
figures that was like unfathomable that some Irish Green card
holder who had it decades old conviction came back into
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the country and was held in questioned about this.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
You have a conviction, you're.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
A Green card holder, you went out of the country
and re entered thereby subjecting yourself to normal screening that
would happen in this case.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I don't find that unfathomable. I find that fathomable.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, but they are going to try to pull out
our heartstrings. Here is a clip of Tom Homan being
subjected to exactly that.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
On Friday, there were three America and citizen children born
here who were deported along with their mothers from Louisiana
down to Honduras, and according to advocates, one of them
is a four year old child with stage four cancer,
a rare form of metastatic cancer, who was sent back
to Honduras without getting to talk to a doctor and
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without medication. I understand this child's mother entered this country illegally,
but isn't there some basis for compassionate consideration here that
should have allowed for more consultation or treatment.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Well, it's certainly's discretion. I'm not aware of the specific case.
But no, U a citizen child was deported. Deported means
you've got to be reported by the immigration judge.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
We don't report you a citizens The mother was deported
along with the children.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Children aren't deported. The mother chilse to take the children
with her. When you're ent to the country legally, and
you know you're here illegally, and you choose have you
assistant child, that's on you. That's not on its administration.
If you choose to put your family in that position,
that's on them. Having a US citizen child after you
enter this country legally, it's not a get out Joe
free cart. It doesn't make you immune from our laws.
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If that's a message we send the entire world, women
can keep putting themselves at risk it come to this country.
We send a message. You can enter country legally, which
is a crime. That's okay. You can have due process,
great tacker, taxpayer expense, get order to move, that's okay.
Don't leave. But have you a citizen child and you're
immune from removal. That's not the way it works.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
So you don't think there should be compassionate consideration for
a four year old child undergoing treatment for cancer.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
I didn't say that. I said ICE officers do have discretion.
Ice officers do have discretion. I'm not familiar with the
specific case. I don't know what facts around this case.
I've just made where of this when you mentioned this morning.
It's not aware of that case.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I think Tom Holman is amazing. I think he's doing
a fantastic job, and he's very good at his job.
But Margaret Brennan deserves the JD Van's treatment. In all
of her interviews, she is a full on activist pretending
to be even remotely a journalist. This is just absurd tactics.
And he said all the right things. I just think
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that his level of respect is way too high and
she deserves to have to be told I really don't
care Margaret all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Well, a couple of thoughts about this type of story,
in particular about children. Yes, it is perfectly positioned to
make to pull people's heart strings with good reason.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Right, these are young children.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
As he noted, the moms are opting to take the
children with them. Again, understandably, I would do the same
if I were in a country illegally and then asked
to leave. But it's a great story for the activist
press because on one hand, if the child goes with
the mother, the child is quote deported exactly if the
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child does not go with the mother, family.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Separation, right win.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Either way, the press gets the story they want, which
is mean Trump administration. And that's just not realistic. And
I think many Americans have looked at the situation around
them and gone that way of doing business that he
describes as a hypothetical is not realistic. By the way, again,
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can I go back to the rights of American citizens. Yeah,
American citizens accused of crimes and going through the criminal
justice system are routinely separated from their children.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Not something that gets you a get out of jail
free card if you live in this country and are
a citizen, why should other people get a different standard.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, all of this is a really strange situation for
Democrats to find themselves in. I think that they're going
to be on the losing side of this. I hope
they're on the losing side of this. I hope Americans
remember the crisis that got us here in the first place,
and who was responsible for that crisis.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Well, if I know, Margaret Brennan she's going to take
up the cause of the guys who stole Christi nomes
Bag next, like this is just a civil rights issue,
like you, this is a human rights issue to be
able to take Christy nomes Bag.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Will be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Speaking of Margaret Brennan, Yeah, I was not at the
White House correspondence dinner right not.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know, as much as I would have.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Loved sitting between Margaret Brennan and Sunny Hostin for the
dinner time lobotomy, I will was not there.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I was out of town in Charleston. This is an annual.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Whole list of parties that journalists throw themselves in Washington,
d C. I've been before. It can be plenty of
fun to show up at a party or two. I
do not begrudge people a party or two every once
in a while. But it is this like ridiculous display
of self importance by journalists. And it depends on who's
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in off right, if Democrats in office. The President comes
to the event and he's like, tells a few jokes
and everybody hardy harharr. A bunch of celebrities from Hollywood come,
the glitterati shows up, everybody takes pictures together. It's a
really glorious occasion when there's a Republican in office, particularly Trump.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
This started in the Trump era.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Trump doesn't show up to the dinner, and they really
tamp down the festivities because during this time, Somber Somber,
important journalism is happening, unlike the Democratic years when it's
just like we're just hanging with the president.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That's all we're doing.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So this year, Somber and an ABC tweet really characterized
it when they were like, there was no president, there
was no comedian, just the First Amendment.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Can I tell you also, and again the straight feace.
I tell you also that in.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
That tweet, the thumbnail is of the head of the
White House Correspondents Association, who's now an MSNBC host, Eugene
Daniels is the thumbnail, who's the president of the White
House Correspondence Association right now, And it's like this very
serious tweet and then a thumbnail of him in a
white satin tux with a cravat, and it's like, okay,
like I don't begrudge you your finery, sure, but I
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would I would have picked something different to juxtapose in
that tweet. At any rate, everyone got together and celebrated themselves.
They give out a few scholarships. That was ostensibly the
whole reason for the dinner years ago, just the way
these folks congratulate themselves. Alex Thompson was given an award.
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Alex Thompson is the Axios reporter who credit where it
was due, did do some reporting on Biden's decline when
others would not. Now, this reporting started in like twenty
twenty four, it was not twenty twenty one reporting. You
and I didn't at awards for our tweets and comments. Nonetheless,
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I will say it is a slight improvement for the
White House Correspondence Association to give an award for someone
who did do the right thing, although somewhat belatedly right
in the past. What they would have done is given
an award for whoever was best at gaslighting.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
So they didn't do that. They didn't get a.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Flight improvement, I guess.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
But let's hear Alex accept this award.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He's, by the way, the co author of the Jake
Tapper Alex Thompson book Original Sin. All of these books
coming out saying like, yeah, this guy was totally not
going to last four more days lugless four more years
after inauguration, But here's his acceptance.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
One serious note to my bones. I believe that reporting
and the White House Correspondents Association is as necessary as ever.
President Biden's decline and it's cover up by the people
around him is a reminder that every White House, regardless
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of party, is capable of deception. But being truth tellers
also means telling the truth about ourselves. We myself included,
missed a lot of this story, and some people trust
us less because of it. We bear some responsibility for
faith in the media being at such.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Lows some responsibility.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
I say this because acknowledging errors builds trust, and being
defensive about them further erodes it.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
We should have done better.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
I believe our mission is vital in a world where
people are struggling to figure out what's true and people
with power are not telling the truth. I also believe
that this association has been, is, and will continue to
be critical to that mission.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, you know. As late as twenty twenty three, Alex
Thompson tweeted Biden's weird phrases are sometimes weaponized by the
GOP to insinuate the eighty year old president is in
mental decline.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
He is one of the better ones.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
He really is, you know. I hate to criticize him
too much, except that he won this award and we
deserve that award so well.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I struggle with this because people are having very different
reactions to it. I want to say, first of all,
if I were in that room, you wouldn't be able
to shut me up. Like after that line, I would
have been standing up with a T shirt, cannon, screaming
with an airhorn like it is like the playoffs, just
like applauding that line alone, just because they so rarely
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hear this, and they so rarely have one of their sort.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Of sanction leaders say this.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
So I want to incentivize that behavior, and I think
that that's important.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Now. It was so gentle. It was super gentle. It
was so gentle.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Would love it to be more in your face, like
take the Scott Jennings tone with these people. But I
understand that this is the audience he's trying to reach.
It's also an audience he needs to be friendly with, right,
you know, there's two things going on there. I think
the press corps would be a lot better off if
more of them were Alex Thompson. But as I pointed
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out in that clip, if you see April Ryan, who's
another prominent member of the White House Press Corps, see
April Ryan and that clip, take a sip of her
water and shake her head at this idea that they're
responsible for any of this. The Press Corps has a
lot more April Ryan's that it does Alex Thompson's.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Fact, like, just the.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Total disregard for the idea that they might have screwed up.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, the AP. Zeke Miller also spoke and one of
the lines that he said was we at AP remained
committed as ever to accurate and dependent, nonpartisan journalism. I mean,
nobody believes.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
They have any of that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
In twenty twelve, Zeke Miller and our friend John Echtel,
who always says there's too many women on this show,
so we're going to quote John. He tweeted out Zeke
Miller's tweet from twenty twelve where he tweeted Romney Motorcade
just pasted a hill flying a large Confederate flag in
rural southwest Virginia.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Good stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
This is the kind of coverage that Republicans used to
get as such a normal matter of course, And of
course they still do under Trump. It's just now Donald
Trump has two middle fingers.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
To the press corps. But this was a large story.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
This became a multi day story that the motorcade had passed,
had passed, not, had stopped and saluted like you might
be thinking, No, drove by a hill flying a Confederate flag,
which I have to say, I have driven by Confederate flags,
and so I think I must be just as culture safe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No, it is what what Alex says is there are
people in power who are not telling the truth, and
people are trying to figure out what the truth is true. Yeah,
y'all are the people in power not telling the truth
most of the time.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And that doesn't mean that Trump is always telling the truth.
It just means that you need to get your act together, right,
Trump needs to get your act together.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Direct reaction to Romney's motorcade drove by a large Confederate
flag tweet, he is you can draw the line, and
they should. They should draw that line for themselves so
that they really understand that this is on them.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Well, and I I'm a person who wants to find
the truth, and I feel like I read critically and
I try to figure out, even when people are on
my side, if they're.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Messing up or if they're lying to me.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
But here's the thing is like, particularly post COVID, I
was always suspicious, but particularly post COVID, if you assume
on a story that the media is really fired up about,
call it the Jesse standard.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
If you assume that they're lying to you.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You're gonna be better off. You're going to search for
more facts. You're going to find the real story. In
the case of these deported children, I was like, saw
a couple headlines and was like, Oh, that sounds really bad.
Let me look into it. This might be a regrettable situation.
That is nonetheless not what they are telling me.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
It is.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Oh yeah, that's always my first assumption. Now there's absolutely
no story that I believe at face value.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
None.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
H And by the way, the Biden story is a
perfect example of this. If you looked for the countervailing evidence,
which was right in front of your eyeballs, you would
see that they are sing with you. Yeah, I love
that that abc self important tweet. By the way, I
started with there was no president, and what they meant
was that Trump didn't show up to this dinner, and
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I retweeted it and was like, this is a four
years old headline.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
There was no president.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You're right, yeah, right, We're going to take a short
break and come right back with normally. Let's send on
a feel good note here. Okay, Saquon Barkley, we hate
the Eagles, and by we, I mean me.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I can't get the Eagles because they draft every Georgia bulldog,
so I just have to.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Find be on board.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Okay, half of the hosts of this show hate the
Eagle first, but I really did appreciate that. Saquon Barkley
told critics of his who didn't like that he golfed
with the president and blew to the White House with
Trump that they, you know, they didn't like that they
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criticized him, and he told them to go pound stand
and I quite like that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yes, here's his quote, because of course he was pictured
with Trump and he says, Lol, some people are really
upset because I played golf and flew to the White
House with the all Caps president. Maybe I just respect
the office. Not a hard concept to understand. Just golfed
with Obama not too long ago and look forward to
finishing my round with Trump. Now you get out my
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mentions with all this politics and have an amazing day.
I generally like Saquon Barkley a lot team affiliation, notwithstanding,
he just seems like a nice person.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
This is the way, Yeah, this is the way, very
much the way.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And I hope he turned off his comments and moved
on with his day and went to play golf.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I'm sure he did do that, because that is the
same thing to do, and he seems rather sane. There were.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Your bestie.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Guy Benson shared a story about a friend of his,
not a Trump voter. This is the key part of
the story. Not a Trump voter, middle of the road
guy invited to play in a pickleball league in DC,
got kicked out of the league for not being a
Republican or a Democrat and just saying he's a moderate
and no longer invited to play. And his friend who
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brought him to the league was said that he hadn't
properly vetted him.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That's you know.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And I also mentioned there was a story in The
New York Times this week. A woman writes in that
her husband, who does not talk to his own parents,
already has no relationship with his own parents. Wants the
wife to cut off the relationship she has with her
parents because well, they voted for the wrong person.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Oh, come on.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
This is a sickness. This is a deep sickness, and
it is mostly on the left. It is absolutely mostly
on the left. It is something that just be out.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
There are plenty of surveys that show that right leading
people are more willing to be friends with people of
the left, that they cut off relationships as quickly that
they cut off the cut off relationships less often.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
This is a this is a actual data point. That's right.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Don't do this friends, really, you know we when we
tell you to act normally at the end of the show,
this is what we mean. Don't do this kind of thing.
Live your life. People are going to have different politics.
Even when they have the same politics, you might still
find reason to disagree. Sometimes you could do worse than
living life like it's okay. It's okay, yeah, live your life.
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am Mary Catherine here, and I'm Carol Marco and
Tim Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
How was your weekend? It was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I was in Charleston, so I ate like seventeen in
two days.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh yeah, Charleston is definitely one of my favorite food cities.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What did you have?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Mostly Southern food because I don't get as much great
Southern food in DC. Although I went by a crepery
that someone suggested because there is the French Quarter in Charleston.
But I had dinner at Husk because I got a
five pm reservation for one and I was like, yes,
I will take it. And by the way, that Welcome
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to South Carolina. Price is so reasonable, so reasonable.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I keep thinking I have to look up like what
colleges are there, because I kind of want to direct
my kids to go that in that direction.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Carleton, I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Think is like any big bargain, like you pay for it,
but it is a lovely place.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Okay, I want to look at that because I I
worry about my kids ending up in some like you know,
Michigan or something.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hillsdale is going to curse your name now.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I love Hillsdale. I love Hillsdale. I was actually when
I was when I said that, I was picturing Anne
Arbor and them in ann Arbor and me coming to visit.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
If they go to Hillsdale, I could live with.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I could live with the weather.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
We can we can make it happen.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I understand I too, am too soft for ann Arbor
in the temperature and have questions about the ideology.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Exactly right.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's been a few days of lots and lots of news.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I think the biggest story is a.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Judge that helped an illegal immigrant escape from her courtroom,
and I think a lot of people are confused about
the details of the story.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So we're going to break it down.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
But Judge Hannah Dugan, who has been on the Milwaukee
County bench nearly a decade, she's accused of obstructing justice
and concealing Eduardo Flores Ruez from arrest following a pre
trial hearing last week. So I think, what a lot
of people don't realize, and I've heard people comment.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
About this on the internets.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
He was not in her courtroom for that pre trial hearing.
He was there because he beat up somebody and really hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Them, accused of punching someone thirty times in the face
over a dispute.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Over dispute about loud music. So you know, not that
it's better or worse one way or the other. But
I think a lot of people think that she was
doing the pre trial hearing for his deportation and maybe
took pity on him because he was such a good guy. No,
he was a criminal. He was a full on criminal
who she did not want to see get deported, despite
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the fact that she's the ruling on this criminal case.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Can I also just like interject here with like, when
you have any experience with the justice system and you
realize his victim's alleged victims, I guess he was not
yet convicted, or maybe he was. Anyway, they're there to
be witnesses, they're there to help this process. Yeah, I'm
sure they've been waiting for justice for quite some time.
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They block out their entire day, probably take off work,
go to confront someone who's quite scary, who's allegedly already
beaten them, right, and then he's just whisked away by
the judge in their case to escape federal law enforcement.
How does that feel if you're a victim.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's a good I imagine not good, and it really
throws into question our whole system. Right her attorney, So
she gets arrested, and her attorney during the proceeding says
Judge Dugan wholeheartedly regrets and protests her arrest. It was
not made in the interest of public safety. I don't
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know what any of those words mean, Like those are
a bunch of random words put into a sentence that
make no sense. She regrets and protests her arrest, and
the arrest was not made in the interest of public safety.
Still committed a crime potentially, so that's why the arrest
was made, whether or not it was for public safety.
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The ice comes into her courtroom during that incident with
a warrant for Flora's Ruis's arrest. They're not just nabbing
him off the street. They have a warrant to arrest him.
He had been deported from the US once before in
twenty thirteen. Again somebody who broke the law broke it again,
committed crimes while in America, and this judge is like,
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let me usher you out the back door, which is
what she does.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
She takes him through a.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Door meant only for juries. And this is where we
are in America today.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, and of course the left is like, you can't
do stuff like this in America. And our friend Stephen
Miller Redste's on X says, everyone take off your no
one is above the law hats and put on your
arresting members of the opposition party has Banana Republic stuff windbreakers,
because they do.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Just switch whenever they feel like it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Right, Because as long as you're executing a warrant on
Trump or fabricating charges for Trump, right, that's all above board.
As long as you're protecting Hunter Biden or this guy,
that's all above board. It's all completely situational Calvin Ball,
and I'm sick of it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And the idea that people who have.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Entered our country illegally at the very least just keep
your nose clean while you're here, right, like this idea
that people have to have six chances be deported once
come back, do some more crime and beatings, right, and
then this woman's going to be like lionized for protecting
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you over the American citizens that you have allegedly beaten.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I just it's driving me insane.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's bananas. And you know, America voted for Donald Trump
to deal with this issue, and so I have to imagine,
for example, the conservatives on the New York Times editorial page,
opinion page. They must be really happy about this, right, MARKA.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Can we hear a little bit from David Brooks about this,
and we'll break down this clip after he has his say.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But here he is talking about this judge.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Well, obviously they're trying to send a note of intimidation
not only to her, but to all charges and maybe
to all Americans. But I don't yet know the specific
details of this case, whether she escorted the guy at
the jury door, or whether she's let him or it's
so that's all, Mark, I don't want to comment on
this specific case, but especially on the issue of immigration,
there are a lot of people who are appalled by
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what the administration is doing, and there will be times
for civil disobedience. And to me, if she, let's say,
she did escort this guy out the door, If federal
enforcement agencies come to your courtroom and you help a
guy escape, that is two things. One, it strikes me
as maybe something illegal, but it also strikes me as
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something heroic, and in times of trouble then people are
sometimes called to do civil disobedience, and in my view,
when people do civil disapients, they have to pay the price.
That's part of the heroism of it. Frankly, And so
you can both think that she shouldn't have legally done
this and that morally protecting somebody against maybe not even
(07:41):
in this case, but in other cases frankly, a predatory
enforcement agency.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I mean, for real, Like, what are we talking about here?
He is a criminal.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Also, just I don't know the details of this case,
but what I'm talking about it anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, that's actually a classic.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, what's not his most recent car or an April
column he wrote, by the way, is what's happening is
not normal. America needs an uprighting, an uprising that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Is not normal. Sure, try that again.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
This is insane to me, and it's such a it's
such a moral cop out just to be like everything
that we want to do is resistance is morally justified
because I say so when I mean, when we were
resisting by sending children to school without masks, it was like,
(08:30):
how dare you dare.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You never want to die?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And then look, yes, civil disobedience is sometimes called for.
The idea that civil disobedience on behalf of this person
whose needs are being put above the justice required for
his alleged victims.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Is that's a moral. That's a moral.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And then there's there's the other judge out in New
Mexico who was allegedly harboring a trend Aragua illegal immigrant.
And yeah, I think that if you are credibly accused
of these crimes, that you should be arrested.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Absolutely and deported. It's so not sorry, not the judges deported,
but we should be deporting, you know, right, yeah, absolutely,
this is an easy call. And the fact that the
Democrats have decided to make this their last stand is
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just wild to me.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
One more point, just tangents on illegal immigration. Someone really
hit the lotto in the bad way, because did you
see that the person's accused of taking the purse of
Christy Nome, head of Department of aland Security. We're found
to be here illegally, like, oh, you're crapped out man.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That was the wrong well, the wrong bag, exact wrong
purse to pick up my friend.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, it's sad, you know, I was thinking about this,
but it's a lot of this is it's a problem
for the Trump administration truly how quickly they solve the
border because I think David Brooks is probably hitting something
correct here, which is people are going to have their
little heartstrings pulled about how these deportations are happening. These
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people entered illegally and they're being kicked out and how
dare we really? But when the border crisis was going on,
people understood why that was necessary. Now that it's not,
it's like you have this huge win, but people have
short memories, and you have the David Brooks's of the
world feeling sorry for these violent illegal immigrants.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, No, I do think they sort of took that
issue away from themselves by proving so quickly how they
could fix it. That of course also proves that Biden
was full of it for four years letting it happen.
This is why I think a lot of voters and
I myself, will give them some leeway on enforcement. Now
when they make a mistake, they should correct that mistake.
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But there will be some issues because Biden has given
them a ten million person problem. I saw a piece
on it was a San Francisco paper, so you know,
figures that was like unfathomable that some Irish Green card
holder who had it decades old conviction came back into
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the country and was held in questioned about this.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
You have a conviction, you're.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
A Green card holder, you went out of the country
and re entered thereby subjecting yourself to normal screening that
would happen in this case.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I don't find that unfathomable. I find that fathomable.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, but they are going to try to pull out
our heartstrings. Here is a clip of Tom Homan being
subjected to exactly that.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
On Friday, there were three America and citizen children born
here who were deported along with their mothers from Louisiana
down to Honduras, and according to advocates, one of them
is a four year old child with stage four cancer,
a rare form of metastatic cancer, who was sent back
to Honduras without getting to talk to a doctor and
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without medication. I understand this child's mother entered this country illegally,
but isn't there some basis for compassionate consideration here that
should have allowed for more consultation or treatment.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Well, it's certainly's discretion. I'm not aware of the specific case.
But no, U a citizen child was deported. Deported means
you've got to be reported by the immigration judge.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
We don't report you a citizens The mother was deported
along with the children.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Children aren't deported. The mother chilse to take the children
with her. When you're ent to the country legally, and
you know you're here illegally, and you choose have you
assistant child, that's on you. That's not on its administration.
If you choose to put your family in that position,
that's on them. Having a US citizen child after you
enter this country legally, it's not a get out Joe
free cart. It doesn't make you immune from our laws.
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If that's a message we send the entire world, women
can keep putting themselves at risk it come to this country.
We send a message. You can enter country legally, which
is a crime. That's okay. You can have due process,
great tacker, taxpayer expense, get order to move, that's okay.
Don't leave. But have you a citizen child and you're
immune from removal. That's not the way it works.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
So you don't think there should be compassionate consideration for
a four year old child undergoing treatment for cancer.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
I didn't say that. I said ICE officers do have discretion.
Ice officers do have discretion. I'm not familiar with the
specific case. I don't know what facts around this case.
I've just made where of this when you mentioned this morning.
It's not aware of that case.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I think Tom Holman is amazing. I think he's doing
a fantastic job, and he's very good at his job.
But Margaret Brennan deserves the JD Van's treatment. In all
of her interviews, she is a full on activist pretending
to be even remotely a journalist. This is just absurd tactics.
And he said all the right things. I just think
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that his level of respect is way too high and
she deserves to have to be told I really don't
care Margaret all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Well, a couple of thoughts about this type of story,
in particular about children. Yes, it is perfectly positioned to
make to pull people's heart strings with good reason.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Right, these are young children.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
As he noted, the moms are opting to take the
children with them. Again, understandably, I would do the same
if I were in a country illegally and then asked
to leave. But it's a great story for the activist
press because on one hand, if the child goes with
the mother, the child is quote deported exactly if the
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child does not go with the mother, family.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Separation, right win.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Either way, the press gets the story they want, which
is mean Trump administration. And that's just not realistic. And
I think many Americans have looked at the situation around
them and gone that way of doing business that he
describes as a hypothetical is not realistic. By the way, again,
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can I go back to the rights of American citizens. Yeah,
American citizens accused of crimes and going through the criminal
justice system are routinely separated from their children.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Not something that gets you a get out of jail
free card if you live in this country and are
a citizen, why should other people get a different standard.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, all of this is a really strange situation for
Democrats to find themselves in. I think that they're going
to be on the losing side of this. I hope
they're on the losing side of this. I hope Americans
remember the crisis that got us here in the first place,
and who was responsible for that crisis.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Well, if I know, Margaret Brennan she's going to take
up the cause of the guys who stole Christi nomes
Bag next, like this is just a civil rights issue,
like you, this is a human rights issue to be
able to take Christy nomes Bag.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Will be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Speaking of Margaret Brennan, Yeah, I was not at the
White House correspondence dinner right not.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know, as much as I would have.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Loved sitting between Margaret Brennan and Sunny Hostin for the
dinner time lobotomy, I will was not there.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I was out of town in Charleston. This is an annual.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Whole list of parties that journalists throw themselves in Washington,
d C. I've been before. It can be plenty of
fun to show up at a party or two. I
do not begrudge people a party or two every once
in a while. But it is this like ridiculous display
of self importance by journalists. And it depends on who's
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in off right, if Democrats in office. The President comes
to the event and he's like, tells a few jokes
and everybody hardy harharr. A bunch of celebrities from Hollywood come,
the glitterati shows up, everybody takes pictures together. It's a
really glorious occasion when there's a Republican in office, particularly Trump.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
This started in the Trump era.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Trump doesn't show up to the dinner, and they really
tamp down the festivities because during this time, Somber Somber,
important journalism is happening, unlike the Democratic years when it's
just like we're just hanging with the president.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That's all we're doing.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So this year, Somber and an ABC tweet really characterized
it when they were like, there was no president, there
was no comedian, just the First Amendment.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Can I tell you also, and again the straight feace.
I tell you also that in.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
That tweet, the thumbnail is of the head of the
White House Correspondents Association, who's now an MSNBC host, Eugene
Daniels is the thumbnail, who's the president of the White
House Correspondence Association right now, And it's like this very
serious tweet and then a thumbnail of him in a
white satin tux with a cravat, and it's like, okay,
like I don't begrudge you your finery, sure, but I
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would I would have picked something different to juxtapose in
that tweet. At any rate, everyone got together and celebrated themselves.
They give out a few scholarships. That was ostensibly the
whole reason for the dinner years ago, just the way
these folks congratulate themselves. Alex Thompson was given an award.
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Alex Thompson is the Axios reporter who credit where it
was due, did do some reporting on Biden's decline when
others would not. Now, this reporting started in like twenty
twenty four, it was not twenty twenty one reporting. You
and I didn't at awards for our tweets and comments. Nonetheless,
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I will say it is a slight improvement for the
White House Correspondence Association to give an award for someone
who did do the right thing, although somewhat belatedly right
in the past. What they would have done is given
an award for whoever was best at gaslighting.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
So they didn't do that. They didn't get a.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Flight improvement, I guess.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
But let's hear Alex accept this award.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He's, by the way, the co author of the Jake
Tapper Alex Thompson book Original Sin. All of these books
coming out saying like, yeah, this guy was totally not
going to last four more days lugless four more years
after inauguration, But here's his acceptance.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
One serious note to my bones. I believe that reporting
and the White House Correspondents Association is as necessary as ever.
President Biden's decline and it's cover up by the people
around him is a reminder that every White House, regardless
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of party, is capable of deception. But being truth tellers
also means telling the truth about ourselves. We myself included,
missed a lot of this story, and some people trust
us less because of it. We bear some responsibility for
faith in the media being at such.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Lows some responsibility.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
I say this because acknowledging errors builds trust, and being
defensive about them further erodes it.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
We should have done better.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
I believe our mission is vital in a world where
people are struggling to figure out what's true and people
with power are not telling the truth. I also believe
that this association has been, is, and will continue to
be critical to that mission.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, you know. As late as twenty twenty three, Alex
Thompson tweeted Biden's weird phrases are sometimes weaponized by the
GOP to insinuate the eighty year old president is in
mental decline.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
He is one of the better ones.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
He really is, you know. I hate to criticize him
too much, except that he won this award and we
deserve that award so well.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I struggle with this because people are having very different
reactions to it. I want to say, first of all,
if I were in that room, you wouldn't be able
to shut me up. Like after that line, I would
have been standing up with a T shirt, cannon, screaming
with an airhorn like it is like the playoffs, just
like applauding that line alone, just because they so rarely
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hear this, and they so rarely have one of their sort.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Of sanction leaders say this.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
So I want to incentivize that behavior, and I think
that that's important.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Now. It was so gentle. It was super gentle. It
was so gentle.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Would love it to be more in your face, like
take the Scott Jennings tone with these people. But I
understand that this is the audience he's trying to reach.
It's also an audience he needs to be friendly with, right,
you know, there's two things going on there. I think
the press corps would be a lot better off if
more of them were Alex Thompson. But as I pointed
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out in that clip, if you see April Ryan, who's
another prominent member of the White House Press Corps, see
April Ryan and that clip, take a sip of her
water and shake her head at this idea that they're
responsible for any of this. The Press Corps has a
lot more April Ryan's that it does Alex Thompson's.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Fact, like, just the.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Total disregard for the idea that they might have screwed up.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, the AP. Zeke Miller also spoke and one of
the lines that he said was we at AP remained
committed as ever to accurate and dependent, nonpartisan journalism. I mean,
nobody believes.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
They have any of that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
In twenty twelve, Zeke Miller and our friend John Echtel,
who always says there's too many women on this show,
so we're going to quote John. He tweeted out Zeke
Miller's tweet from twenty twelve where he tweeted Romney Motorcade
just pasted a hill flying a large Confederate flag in
rural southwest Virginia.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Good stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
This is the kind of coverage that Republicans used to
get as such a normal matter of course, And of
course they still do under Trump. It's just now Donald
Trump has two middle fingers.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
To the press corps. But this was a large story.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
This became a multi day story that the motorcade had passed,
had passed, not, had stopped and saluted like you might
be thinking, No, drove by a hill flying a Confederate flag,
which I have to say, I have driven by Confederate flags,
and so I think I must be just as culture safe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No, it is what what Alex says is there are
people in power who are not telling the truth, and
people are trying to figure out what the truth is true. Yeah,
y'all are the people in power not telling the truth
most of the time.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And that doesn't mean that Trump is always telling the truth.
It just means that you need to get your act together, right,
Trump needs to get your act together.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Direct reaction to Romney's motorcade drove by a large Confederate
flag tweet, he is you can draw the line, and
they should. They should draw that line for themselves so
that they really understand that this is on them.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Well, and I I'm a person who wants to find
the truth, and I feel like I read critically and
I try to figure out, even when people are on
my side, if they're.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Messing up or if they're lying to me.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
But here's the thing is like, particularly post COVID, I
was always suspicious, but particularly post COVID, if you assume
on a story that the media is really fired up about,
call it the Jesse standard.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
If you assume that they're lying to you.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You're gonna be better off. You're going to search for
more facts. You're going to find the real story. In
the case of these deported children, I was like, saw
a couple headlines and was like, Oh, that sounds really bad.
Let me look into it. This might be a regrettable situation.
That is nonetheless not what they are telling me.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
It is.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Oh yeah, that's always my first assumption. Now there's absolutely
no story that I believe at face value.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
None.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
H And by the way, the Biden story is a
perfect example of this. If you looked for the countervailing evidence,
which was right in front of your eyeballs, you would
see that they are sing with you. Yeah, I love
that that abc self important tweet. By the way, I
started with there was no president, and what they meant
was that Trump didn't show up to this dinner, and
(26:09):
I retweeted it and was like, this is a four
years old headline.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
There was no president.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You're right, yeah, right, We're going to take a short
break and come right back with normally. Let's send on
a feel good note here. Okay, Saquon Barkley, we hate
the Eagles, and by we, I mean me.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I can't get the Eagles because they draft every Georgia bulldog,
so I just have to.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Find be on board.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Okay, half of the hosts of this show hate the
Eagle first, but I really did appreciate that. Saquon Barkley
told critics of his who didn't like that he golfed
with the president and blew to the White House with
Trump that they, you know, they didn't like that they
(26:56):
criticized him, and he told them to go pound stand
and I quite like that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yes, here's his quote, because of course he was pictured
with Trump and he says, Lol, some people are really
upset because I played golf and flew to the White
House with the all Caps president. Maybe I just respect
the office. Not a hard concept to understand. Just golfed
with Obama not too long ago and look forward to
finishing my round with Trump. Now you get out my
(27:22):
mentions with all this politics and have an amazing day.
I generally like Saquon Barkley a lot team affiliation, notwithstanding,
he just seems like a nice person.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
This is the way, Yeah, this is the way, very
much the way.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And I hope he turned off his comments and moved
on with his day and went to play golf.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I'm sure he did do that, because that is the
same thing to do, and he seems rather sane. There were.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Your bestie.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Guy Benson shared a story about a friend of his,
not a Trump voter. This is the key part of
the story. Not a Trump voter, middle of the road
guy invited to play in a pickleball league in DC,
got kicked out of the league for not being a
Republican or a Democrat and just saying he's a moderate
and no longer invited to play. And his friend who
(28:14):
brought him to the league was said that he hadn't
properly vetted him.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That's you know.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And I also mentioned there was a story in The
New York Times this week. A woman writes in that
her husband, who does not talk to his own parents,
already has no relationship with his own parents. Wants the
wife to cut off the relationship she has with her
parents because well, they voted for the wrong person.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Oh, come on.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
This is a sickness. This is a deep sickness, and
it is mostly on the left. It is absolutely mostly
on the left. It is something that just be out.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
There are plenty of surveys that show that right leading
people are more willing to be friends with people of
the left, that they cut off relationships as quickly that
they cut off the cut off relationships less often.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
This is a this is a actual data point. That's right.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Don't do this friends, really, you know we when we
tell you to act normally at the end of the show,
this is what we mean. Don't do this kind of thing.
Live your life. People are going to have different politics.
Even when they have the same politics, you might still
find reason to disagree. Sometimes you could do worse than
living life like it's okay. It's okay, yeah, live your life.
Thanks for joining us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,
(29:29):
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in touch with us at Normallythepod at gmail dot com.
Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally,
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