May 1, 2025 • 22 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss various political topics, including the first 100 days of the Trump administration, Trump's media engagements, Kamala Harris's political comeback, and the challenges facing the Democratic Party. They also touch on the issue of anti-Semitism at Harvard and provide cultural commentary on the recent trend of wearing cross jewelry. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, it's our back on normally the show with normalish
takes for when the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I am Mary Catherine HM and.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I am Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Beg Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
We are both in pink today, and you know, I
think that pink is super your color.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thank you. I did lipstick to match. I'm just I'm
going all the way.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I love it, Girly.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I don't like pink, but pink likes me, so here
we are.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's unfortunate for you. I'm a redhead who isn't supposed
to wear pink, but I don't care. I love pink,
and I don't care. Who knows it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You're like sixteen candles in it?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Up?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Is it sixteen candles? Or is another one where she
wears pink?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Mother pretty in pink?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh dumb, that would be the one.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I don't think I've seen that one. Honestly, I saw
sixteen candles though.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm getting old folks. All right.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So we are a hundred days into this administration. How's
that going for you?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know, it's a mixed bag.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I would say that a lot of the executive orders
to things, I am a huge fan of that. I'm
sort of astounded by the swiftness of it. I think
that Trump somewhat counterintuitively, has hurt himself by solving the
border so quickly, because he kind of took that off
the plate. He took that off of the front page
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of the news. And then you get to the more
sticky deportation issue, which a lot of people are still
in favor of, but can be not as clean a storyline,
although we all want it to be because there's plenty
of people who are eminently deportable. And then you've got
the trade stuff, which I still am not a fan of,
and you got to ink some deals, my dude. Yeah,
at one hundred days, we need to start putting pen
(01:40):
to paper, because this is the job you gave yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
His financial people, or I should guess, i'd say his
economic people all sound like him at this point. They're like,
great deals are coming, just yes, trust us. Yeah, they're
going to be amazing, the biggest deals you ever saw.
So we'll see. I'm still wait and see on that.
I think that it's not my preference, but I, like
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we've talked about on the show, I've been wrong before.
I'm willing to wait it out and see. I would say.
What I really don't like in the last few days
is the interviews that he's given to outlets that openly
hate him. I have a real problem with that. I
don't like how much he needs to be liked. This
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makes me crazy. I like so many things about the
Trump administration this go around, but this needs to change
in my opinion. And the main thing for me was
two reporters. I think it was Atlantic who called him up.
First of all, he canceled an interview with them because
they were like, they said things he didn't like. I
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didn't even have a problem with that, okay. And then
they called him from an unknown number. He answered and
proceeded to give them an interview. Yes, I don't answer numbers.
I don't know. The president should not be answering numbers
he doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They like caught him up at Bedminster at a good moment,
had a discussion, and that discussion went so well that
he was like, come to the Oval office.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And bring along Jeffrey Goldberg. What.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Jeffrey Goldberg is the editor of The Atlantic who wrote
the signal story, which again he got that one correct.
He had the receipts on that one. This other story
he's most famous for is the Suckers and Losers, which
I still to deemed to be alive. There's nothing there,
there's no one ever that that's ever been attributed to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But he brings him into the Oval office. And then
my favorite part of all of this is after this.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Long cover story that The Atlantic has, which, by the way,
covers how Trump mounted this comeback. Now, this is another
one of those stories like Biden's dementia, that you and
I were kind of onto.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
A little earlier.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, we go.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm not sure I need to read a full thirty
pages on the comeback from the Atlanta because they're kind
of getting to the story pretty late at the at
some point in.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It April twenty twenty five, Yeah, it's a little late.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
At some point in the story, Shaer Michael Scherer. The
reporter Ashley Parker is the other one, formerly of the
Washington Post. He says he got a butt dial from
the President. I GE's who in the morning, right like
one thirty after a UFC fight. He says, he says,
mister President, you mean to call me? And he's like, oh,
did I do that?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And I'm like no, we cannot have him.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Butt dialing Atlantic reporters right Air Force one, post.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
UFC fight, knows what they're gonna hear. He doesn't drink,
this is true, makes it all a lot safer. Even
if you're a politician who had two glasses of wine
and then you butt dial a reporter, there's potential for
things that that you might not want them to hear. Yes, Trump,
I don't think he has anything he doesn't want people
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to hear. He wants people to hear all of.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It well, and that's the upside of him. And from
a journal this point of view, I love that he's accessible.
It's so much better right than Biden and the Biden team.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But there should be some guardrails here we need.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
As Sharer put it, they have imperfect control over his
personal devices.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I like that line.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, so yeah, can we play a little bit from
his one hundred days rally, which I believe was in Michigan. Yeah,
and of course a big enthusiastic crowd. And I just
like he talks about policy. Of course, he talked for
a long time. But this is so Trump. He's there
in front of his people, and what does he do.
He spends a minute on Scott Jennings here it is.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
We have a man here that I don't know, but
he's defending me all the time on CNN, and he
defends me really well. But he can't go too far
because if he goes too far, he'll get fired. I said,
you're amazing. You can take it right to the edge.
And he really does a good job. He's not allowed
to go any further. He would be off, you know,
if he really went totally crazy what you'd like to do.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But I think he's terrific.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Scott Jennings, where's Scott?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Where are you? Scott?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Came herea Scott? This guy really I've watched it for years.
I don't know, but he likes Trump. Come here, Scott, Oh, CNN,
this is the.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
End of Scott.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Don't who cares.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Don't worry.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
We'll take care of you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Scott.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Scott Jennings really great.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I love Scott Jennings. I think he is just fantastic,
so great.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And actually Trump is I love that Trump just understands
TV so well. By the way, this was an hour
into this speech, by the way, because he had already
gone all the way through Special Report and that was
during Ingram Show. So more than an hour into the speech,
he brings Scott up, and he's exactly right about Scott.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He's like, yeah, he pushes it just far enough, right right,
go too far?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And by the way, bringing him on stage with me
might be the moment that it goes too far, but
it's over for I did see Scott on camera on
CNN from the rally, so I think they they're good
for the moment. But yes, just a classic Trump move
to spend his hundred day speech in part talking about
a cable pundit.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
He's so charming. He really he has that gift. And
I don't know who comes after him, but I look
out into a sea of people who don't have that.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's very, very tough to top all that. He also,
you know who doesn't have it?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And Kamala Harris, Oh yeah, you could have said anyone,
but who really.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Doesn't have it?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Really doesn't have it, really really doesn't have it. Kamala
Harris is going to be back at it this week.
She's putting herself out there. She's been mostly out of
the public eye, but as Yahoo reports, that will change Wednesday.
She's delivering the keynote address at the Emerged twentieth anniversary
gala at the Palace Hotel in San Francisco, honoring the
group's role in electing more Democratic women in California politics.
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She's expected to call out Trump over his policies and
how she believes they are failing Americans.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Okay, the comeback tour, no one asked for no and.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Wait for the quote, are you ready? There is a
clamoring for her voice right now. Set a Harris senior
advisor who was granted anonymity to speak candidly, why do.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You need anonymity to give this quote?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And then she says no one can better prosecute the
case while inspiring a call to action than the former
vice president fact check.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
If that were true, she would be president, right.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I think lots and lots of people can do a
better job.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Actually, so many.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
It's tough being Kamala Harris. It's tough being a Democratic
Party leader right now, because what are you going to do?
AOC and Bernie are drawing these crowds. I don't know
that they can win a general election. Maybe AOC can.
I think that it's a giant risk for Democrats to
run someone like her. She might run away with it.
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She might become the it thing and get all the support.
And she's young and photogenik and she has the thing
right that politicians need. But they stopped Bernie in twenty
twenty because they didn't think he could win the general.
I just can't see where they go now, and so
they don't have that many people to put out there.
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And whimber actually had an She was at an event
with Trump in the last few days in Michigan and
got so much abuse for it online and lots of
Democrats online saying, well, that's it for her. So you
have to walk this kind of really tight, crazy line
to be a Democratic leader. Right now, no one is
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clamoring for Kamala Harris, don't get the wrong, but their
bench is so small and so thin that she's kind
of their only game in town right now.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And also, the thing about American politics is what you
need is name id and audacity, and she has one
hundred percent name I d Clearly she thinks highly of herself,
too highly enough to have run for president, even though
the you know, the goods really aren't there, right, you know,
I think for sure, Yeah, her name idea is going
to is going to keep her at the top of
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people's lists. And the thing about that is it can
snowball if you get too far in the process. And
no one has clearly ousted her from that top spot, right,
it could be that she's the person.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, we weren't going to get into twenty twenty eight
in this segment, but Pete Boodha Judge had a really
great interview recently on a podcast. I'm you know, I'm
terrible with names. But the comedian Andrew somebody, he's like
everywhere right now, forgot his name.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I can see his face and Andrew shall I actually
unpopular opinion.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Have always kind of enjoyed hearing Pete Boota Judge talk.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, he's good at talk. This is the thing about
all of them though, right is.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Like Gavin Newsom, pretty interesting to listen to on a podcast,
Pete Boota Judge occasionally sounds like he's thought about policy before.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Then the rubber hits the road and they have to
do their actual job.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And this is where the ezra clines of the world
are like, maybe y'all should do it, And I'm like, yeah,
that's what I've been saying.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Maybe they should do the job of governing.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And I think Trump Trump is leaving people openings because
you know, his approvals going down on the economy, which
is going to be the number one issue for so
many people.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Sure, yeah, but these people aren't attacking.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Him on the economy. They're attacking him on deportations.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Right, I'm kicking out violent illegal immigrants, not even the
regular kind of illegal immigrants, violent illegal immigrants.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, I think that's a mistake. We'll be right back on.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Normally, they get all their wisdom from the college campuses,
where we have some news out of Harvard, don't we, Carol.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
We do. Harvard released their antisemitic Sorry, Harvard released their
antisemitism task Force report, and wouldn't you know it, there's
a lot of antisemitism at all Harvard. Yeah, some little tidbits.
There were quotes in the piece like Jewish students saying,
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I feel lucky, I don't look Jewish Harvard. Many Jewish
Harvard affiliates were routinely asked to clarify they were quote
one of the good ones by denouncing the state of
Israel and renouncing any attachment to it, people saying things
like I never even did pro Israel things I just existed,
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and that I was bullied and ostracized and that kind
of thing. You know. I think people knew it was bad.
I just there's this sense that, like, how bad is
it really? No one is getting beat up, no one
is getting it's not super violent, Like why is this
a problem? Well, it's a problem because absolutely no other
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group would be asked to endure this. And I could
tell you from my own personal world, there's a lot
of conversations about where our Jewish kids can go to
college and have it be a relatively normal experience, not
looking for anything, you know, extra, just an experience where
they go to class and everybody leaves them alone.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I think just the fact that it's not surprising to
basically anyone that being visibly Jewish on an IVY League
campus would be problematic to the point of danger. Like's right,
that sentence is not surprising. You don't need a commission,
you don't need a study to figure that out. I
guess some people are probably in denial about it, but like,
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that is not a controversial sentence, And that's crazy to me.
These are American elite universities where if you were to
walk across campus and a Yamaica it would go badly
for you.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
So we all kind of we just know it. It's
an open secret, right right.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Right, And the Trump administration is actually trying to do
something about it. And I mean nobody worse than my
liberal Jews because they are saying, oh, he doesn't really
care about it into Semitism, he just wants to harm
these colleges. Even if that were true, he still would
be doing something about into Semitism off these campuses. But
I don't think it's true. I think he actually does
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care about this. I think he is appalled at this
kind of thing. So there was a story of a
progressive Jewish student who was deeply critical of Israel's action
in Gaza. He was admitted to Harvard Medical School and
did not attend because pro Palestine students discouraged them from
attending by telling them Zionists not welcome here during the
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admitted students event. If you're listening to this and you're
confused about what Zionism means or what Zionist means, it
literally just means Israel should exist. Israel exists and should exist.
That makes most people a Zionist. The reason this person
was targeted is not because they were a Zionist. It's
because they were Jewish. Lots of people are Zionists walking
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around in their everyday lives and are not targeted at
this kind of abuse.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So I just want to note another double standard along
these lines that popped up for me this weekend.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Is it Hassan Piker. Are you familiar with this guy?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I'm not. I am now because it turns out he
represents right wing attractiveness with a left wing brain.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So he's so. He's a very famous twitch streamer.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I didn't realize until I read this glowing profile of
him in the New York Times that he is jink
Yuger's nephew and got his start on the Young Turks.
So like, I'm not slagging, I'm not doubting that he
does a lot of work, but this he admits himself.
He's a sort of a nepo baby here. He's a
good looking guy. He's tall, he's strong, he lifts weights,
He's into some dude stuff, video games, sports in an
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authentic way. He has millions of streaming followers. I've watched
him on Twitch in the past. It's good to get
an idea of what the opposition is talking about. But
the headline on this New York Times piece, Hassan Piker
a progressive mind in a maga body.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's so fault to progress it.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
This is such a cell phone like this guy's good
looking and mask that means he's maga.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Like can you imagine how annoyed Hassan.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Piker is that he lifts wit which is a very
normal thing to do, and he got a magabody for it.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Like.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
But the point of the deeper point I want to
make is this is his second glowing New York Times
profile in six months. The last one was by Taylor Lorenz.
This is a new one. It's full of nonsense. Both
of the pieces neglect almost entirely his outrageous statements from
the past, because you're allowed to be an edgy, extreme
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liberal influencer who says insane stuff in a way that
you are not if you are right laning. So here
he is. He's been in an October seventh atrocity denier.
He's called Jews in bread, he's platformed futies. He said
he has no problem with Hesbelah. I've watched these clips.
They're not out of not out of context. There is
one glancing mention he said.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
One more thing. He said, it doesn't matter if rapes
occurred on October seventh, it's irrelevant to him.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Maybe really the guy he's also he's also said, I'm
just gonna say it, we deserved nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So like I'm just saying, you're a hero.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You and I aren't going to get two glowing New
York Times profiles.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
And if we ever did get a profile, it would have.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Every single borderline problematic thing we've ever said in.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It, totally.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Everyone this past just to pass.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
He loves Palestinians, so it just gets a pass as
they follow him. I will say it's more of the
sort of like AOC Bernie, as far left as you
can get. He might be into video games, but he
also is into very very far left policy right.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And as long as that doesn't win, let them have
their fun with it. We're going to take a short
break and come right back with normally. So I don't
know if you've heard Mary Catherine, but people are wearing
crosses and it's a whole thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I saw this.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I saw a screenshot of this New York Times headline,
and I thought it was fake. I was like, this
is a Babylon Bee like a photo shop or something. Yeah,
it is this a hot accessory at the intersection of
faith and culture, seen on influencers, pop stars and White
House staff. Cross necklaces are popping up everywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Pop stars are wearing crosses. Now Madonna's looking around like
what now this is?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
They are so so deeply out of touch like it
actually it actually makes me wonder maybe Biden did trick them.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That is really good, Like maybe you did miss it,
if you missed.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That people wear across jewelry for this long. So yeah,
it talks about Chapel Ron's across, Sabrina Carpenter's worn across.
Then it goes into the real reason for the story,
which is that Pambondi and Caroline Lovett and maybe it's problematic,
Maybe it's problematic. Yes, Indeed, white authoritarianism or white nationalism
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is mentioned in this college and this piece of course,
because you can't you can't not talk about faith based
white nationalism while you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Totally normal cross jewelry.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Right right, poor Chapel Rohn, is you a white nationalist name?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I know?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, they get to throw in some lefties because apparently
Hakim Jeffrey's war across on that some protests.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
They did recently, But like the people they're just like.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Quoting influencers are like, yeah, I wear a cross because,
like I believe in Jesus and I feel like it's
a nice way to communicate to other people that we
might have shared values.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Like love it wowsah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, and then I did enjoy the The person they
had comment as a as a an expert, because you
need an expert. Okay, Lucy Collins, you ready for these creds.
An assistant professor at the Fashion Institute of Technology in
New York who teaches courses in philosophy, fashion theory, and ethics,
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said while cross necklaces are often worn apolitically, their appearance
in the political sphere in the United States has introduced
implications of partisan politics.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah. It's like when Mara Gay at the New York
Times was offended by all the American flags, Like sometimes
they just say crazy things and they don't realize how
crazy it is.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
They didn't they just didn't know how crazy it was.
I enjoy this. The cross, a.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Symbol most associated with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, first
emerged during the Roman Empire, when it was an instrument
of mass torture, said Robert Covolo, the theologian associate pastor
at Christ Church, Sierra Madre. And then it says, referencing
its usual its original use, Mister Covolo said the cross
was a quote symbol of the Roman Empire asserting its
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power with impunity. Over centuries, the cross has evolved. I
like that they have to start with first of all,
like we don't know this. Second of all, they're like,
let's mention the torture and the empire as part of
the story. And then it's like, by the way, it does.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Just mean Christianity, by the.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Way, maybe maybe that's what people mean. I as a Jew,
love seeing crosses on people. I love seeing people represent
their values. I am all about it. And it just
looks cool. It just looks cool. So where are those crosses? People?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I agree with Star David, we're both we both rock
them depending on the day.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And I just I truly thought it was fake.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I wish it was fake.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Like there wasn't one person in the newsroom who was like, hmm,
I'm not sure this is a story, right.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
This doesn't seem like a story at all.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Actually, But the.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Point of the story is to be like Caroline Lovett
is muddying the Christianity waters with her christian.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
She's respect and Pam Bondi with their crosses. Yeah, come on,
just be normal, guys.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And we wonder why you don't recover everything else sanely.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
I am Mary Catherine HM and.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I am Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Beg Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
We are both in pink today, and you know, I
think that pink is super your color.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thank you. I did lipstick to match. I'm just I'm
going all the way.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I love it, Girly.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I don't like pink, but pink likes me, so here
we are.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's unfortunate for you. I'm a redhead who isn't supposed
to wear pink, but I don't care. I love pink,
and I don't care. Who knows it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You're like sixteen candles in it?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Up?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Is it sixteen candles? Or is another one where she
wears pink?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Mother pretty in pink?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh dumb, that would be the one.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I don't think I've seen that one. Honestly, I saw
sixteen candles though.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm getting old folks. All right.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So we are a hundred days into this administration. How's
that going for you?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know, it's a mixed bag.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I would say that a lot of the executive orders
to things, I am a huge fan of that. I'm
sort of astounded by the swiftness of it. I think
that Trump somewhat counterintuitively, has hurt himself by solving the
border so quickly, because he kind of took that off
the plate. He took that off of the front page
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of the news. And then you get to the more
sticky deportation issue, which a lot of people are still
in favor of, but can be not as clean a storyline,
although we all want it to be because there's plenty
of people who are eminently deportable. And then you've got
the trade stuff, which I still am not a fan of,
and you got to ink some deals, my dude. Yeah,
at one hundred days, we need to start putting pen
(01:40):
to paper, because this is the job you gave yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
His financial people, or I should guess, i'd say his
economic people all sound like him at this point. They're like,
great deals are coming, just yes, trust us. Yeah, they're
going to be amazing, the biggest deals you ever saw.
So we'll see. I'm still wait and see on that.
I think that it's not my preference, but I, like
(02:06):
we've talked about on the show, I've been wrong before.
I'm willing to wait it out and see. I would say.
What I really don't like in the last few days
is the interviews that he's given to outlets that openly
hate him. I have a real problem with that. I
don't like how much he needs to be liked. This
(02:27):
makes me crazy. I like so many things about the
Trump administration this go around, but this needs to change
in my opinion. And the main thing for me was
two reporters. I think it was Atlantic who called him up.
First of all, he canceled an interview with them because
they were like, they said things he didn't like. I
(02:50):
didn't even have a problem with that, okay. And then
they called him from an unknown number. He answered and
proceeded to give them an interview. Yes, I don't answer numbers.
I don't know. The president should not be answering numbers
he doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They like caught him up at Bedminster at a good moment,
had a discussion, and that discussion went so well that
he was like, come to the Oval office.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And bring along Jeffrey Goldberg. What.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Jeffrey Goldberg is the editor of The Atlantic who wrote
the signal story, which again he got that one correct.
He had the receipts on that one. This other story
he's most famous for is the Suckers and Losers, which
I still to deemed to be alive. There's nothing there,
there's no one ever that that's ever been attributed to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But he brings him into the Oval office. And then
my favorite part of all of this is after this.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Long cover story that The Atlantic has, which, by the way,
covers how Trump mounted this comeback. Now, this is another
one of those stories like Biden's dementia, that you and
I were kind of onto.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
A little earlier.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, we go.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm not sure I need to read a full thirty
pages on the comeback from the Atlanta because they're kind
of getting to the story pretty late at the at
some point in.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It April twenty twenty five, Yeah, it's a little late.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
At some point in the story, Shaer Michael Scherer. The
reporter Ashley Parker is the other one, formerly of the
Washington Post. He says he got a butt dial from
the President. I GE's who in the morning, right like
one thirty after a UFC fight. He says, he says,
mister President, you mean to call me? And he's like, oh,
did I do that?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And I'm like no, we cannot have him.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Butt dialing Atlantic reporters right Air Force one, post.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
UFC fight, knows what they're gonna hear. He doesn't drink,
this is true, makes it all a lot safer. Even
if you're a politician who had two glasses of wine
and then you butt dial a reporter, there's potential for
things that that you might not want them to hear. Yes, Trump,
I don't think he has anything he doesn't want people
(04:54):
to hear. He wants people to hear all of.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It well, and that's the upside of him. And from
a journal this point of view, I love that he's accessible.
It's so much better right than Biden and the Biden team.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But there should be some guardrails here we need.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
As Sharer put it, they have imperfect control over his
personal devices.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I like that line.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, so yeah, can we play a little bit from
his one hundred days rally, which I believe was in Michigan. Yeah,
and of course a big enthusiastic crowd. And I just
like he talks about policy. Of course, he talked for
a long time. But this is so Trump. He's there
in front of his people, and what does he do.
He spends a minute on Scott Jennings here it is.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
We have a man here that I don't know, but
he's defending me all the time on CNN, and he
defends me really well. But he can't go too far
because if he goes too far, he'll get fired. I said,
you're amazing. You can take it right to the edge.
And he really does a good job. He's not allowed
to go any further. He would be off, you know,
if he really went totally crazy what you'd like to do.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But I think he's terrific.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Scott Jennings, where's Scott?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Where are you? Scott?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Came herea Scott? This guy really I've watched it for years.
I don't know, but he likes Trump. Come here, Scott, Oh, CNN,
this is the.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
End of Scott.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Don't who cares.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Don't worry.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
We'll take care of you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Scott.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Scott Jennings really great.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I love Scott Jennings. I think he is just fantastic,
so great.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And actually Trump is I love that Trump just understands
TV so well. By the way, this was an hour
into this speech, by the way, because he had already
gone all the way through Special Report and that was
during Ingram Show. So more than an hour into the speech,
he brings Scott up, and he's exactly right about Scott.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He's like, yeah, he pushes it just far enough, right right,
go too far?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And by the way, bringing him on stage with me
might be the moment that it goes too far, but
it's over for I did see Scott on camera on
CNN from the rally, so I think they they're good
for the moment. But yes, just a classic Trump move
to spend his hundred day speech in part talking about
a cable pundit.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
He's so charming. He really he has that gift. And
I don't know who comes after him, but I look
out into a sea of people who don't have that.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's very, very tough to top all that. He also,
you know who doesn't have it?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And Kamala Harris, Oh yeah, you could have said anyone,
but who really.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Doesn't have it?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Really doesn't have it, really really doesn't have it. Kamala
Harris is going to be back at it this week.
She's putting herself out there. She's been mostly out of
the public eye, but as Yahoo reports, that will change Wednesday.
She's delivering the keynote address at the Emerged twentieth anniversary
gala at the Palace Hotel in San Francisco, honoring the
group's role in electing more Democratic women in California politics.
(08:02):
She's expected to call out Trump over his policies and
how she believes they are failing Americans.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Okay, the comeback tour, no one asked for no and.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Wait for the quote, are you ready? There is a
clamoring for her voice right now. Set a Harris senior
advisor who was granted anonymity to speak candidly, why do.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You need anonymity to give this quote?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And then she says no one can better prosecute the
case while inspiring a call to action than the former
vice president fact check.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
If that were true, she would be president, right.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I think lots and lots of people can do a
better job.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Actually, so many.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
It's tough being Kamala Harris. It's tough being a Democratic
Party leader right now, because what are you going to do?
AOC and Bernie are drawing these crowds. I don't know
that they can win a general election. Maybe AOC can.
I think that it's a giant risk for Democrats to
run someone like her. She might run away with it.
(08:58):
She might become the it thing and get all the support.
And she's young and photogenik and she has the thing
right that politicians need. But they stopped Bernie in twenty
twenty because they didn't think he could win the general.
I just can't see where they go now, and so
they don't have that many people to put out there.
(09:21):
And whimber actually had an She was at an event
with Trump in the last few days in Michigan and
got so much abuse for it online and lots of
Democrats online saying, well, that's it for her. So you
have to walk this kind of really tight, crazy line
to be a Democratic leader. Right now, no one is
(09:42):
clamoring for Kamala Harris, don't get the wrong, but their
bench is so small and so thin that she's kind
of their only game in town right now.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And also, the thing about American politics is what you
need is name id and audacity, and she has one
hundred percent name I d Clearly she thinks highly of herself,
too highly enough to have run for president, even though
the you know, the goods really aren't there, right, you know,
I think for sure, Yeah, her name idea is going
to is going to keep her at the top of
(10:12):
people's lists. And the thing about that is it can
snowball if you get too far in the process. And
no one has clearly ousted her from that top spot, right,
it could be that she's the person.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, we weren't going to get into twenty twenty eight
in this segment, but Pete Boodha Judge had a really
great interview recently on a podcast. I'm you know, I'm
terrible with names. But the comedian Andrew somebody, he's like
everywhere right now, forgot his name.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I can see his face and Andrew shall I actually
unpopular opinion.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Have always kind of enjoyed hearing Pete Boota Judge talk.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, he's good at talk. This is the thing about
all of them though, right is.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Like Gavin Newsom, pretty interesting to listen to on a podcast,
Pete Boota Judge occasionally sounds like he's thought about policy before.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Then the rubber hits the road and they have to
do their actual job.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And this is where the ezra clines of the world
are like, maybe y'all should do it, And I'm like, yeah,
that's what I've been saying.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Maybe they should do the job of governing.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And I think Trump Trump is leaving people openings because
you know, his approvals going down on the economy, which
is going to be the number one issue for so
many people.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Sure, yeah, but these people aren't attacking.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Him on the economy. They're attacking him on deportations.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Right, I'm kicking out violent illegal immigrants, not even the
regular kind of illegal immigrants, violent illegal immigrants.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, I think that's a mistake. We'll be right back on.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Normally, they get all their wisdom from the college campuses,
where we have some news out of Harvard, don't we, Carol.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
We do. Harvard released their antisemitic Sorry, Harvard released their
antisemitism task Force report, and wouldn't you know it, there's
a lot of antisemitism at all Harvard. Yeah, some little tidbits.
There were quotes in the piece like Jewish students saying,
(12:07):
I feel lucky, I don't look Jewish Harvard. Many Jewish
Harvard affiliates were routinely asked to clarify they were quote
one of the good ones by denouncing the state of
Israel and renouncing any attachment to it, people saying things
like I never even did pro Israel things I just existed,
(12:27):
and that I was bullied and ostracized and that kind
of thing. You know. I think people knew it was bad.
I just there's this sense that, like, how bad is
it really? No one is getting beat up, no one
is getting it's not super violent, Like why is this
a problem? Well, it's a problem because absolutely no other
(12:48):
group would be asked to endure this. And I could
tell you from my own personal world, there's a lot
of conversations about where our Jewish kids can go to
college and have it be a relatively normal experience, not
looking for anything, you know, extra, just an experience where
they go to class and everybody leaves them alone.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I think just the fact that it's not surprising to
basically anyone that being visibly Jewish on an IVY League
campus would be problematic to the point of danger. Like's right,
that sentence is not surprising. You don't need a commission,
you don't need a study to figure that out. I
guess some people are probably in denial about it, but like,
(13:33):
that is not a controversial sentence, And that's crazy to me.
These are American elite universities where if you were to
walk across campus and a Yamaica it would go badly
for you.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
So we all kind of we just know it. It's
an open secret, right right.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Right, And the Trump administration is actually trying to do
something about it. And I mean nobody worse than my
liberal Jews because they are saying, oh, he doesn't really
care about it into Semitism, he just wants to harm
these colleges. Even if that were true, he still would
be doing something about into Semitism off these campuses. But
I don't think it's true. I think he actually does
(14:10):
care about this. I think he is appalled at this
kind of thing. So there was a story of a
progressive Jewish student who was deeply critical of Israel's action
in Gaza. He was admitted to Harvard Medical School and
did not attend because pro Palestine students discouraged them from
attending by telling them Zionists not welcome here during the
(14:31):
admitted students event. If you're listening to this and you're
confused about what Zionism means or what Zionist means, it
literally just means Israel should exist. Israel exists and should exist.
That makes most people a Zionist. The reason this person
was targeted is not because they were a Zionist. It's
because they were Jewish. Lots of people are Zionists walking
(14:51):
around in their everyday lives and are not targeted at
this kind of abuse.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So I just want to note another double standard along
these lines that popped up for me this weekend.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Is it Hassan Piker. Are you familiar with this guy?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I'm not. I am now because it turns out he
represents right wing attractiveness with a left wing brain.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So he's so. He's a very famous twitch streamer.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I didn't realize until I read this glowing profile of
him in the New York Times that he is jink
Yuger's nephew and got his start on the Young Turks.
So like, I'm not slagging, I'm not doubting that he
does a lot of work, but this he admits himself.
He's a sort of a nepo baby here. He's a
good looking guy. He's tall, he's strong, he lifts weights,
He's into some dude stuff, video games, sports in an
(15:39):
authentic way. He has millions of streaming followers. I've watched
him on Twitch in the past. It's good to get
an idea of what the opposition is talking about. But
the headline on this New York Times piece, Hassan Piker
a progressive mind in a maga body.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's so fault to progress it.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
This is such a cell phone like this guy's good
looking and mask that means he's maga.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Like can you imagine how annoyed Hassan.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Piker is that he lifts wit which is a very
normal thing to do, and he got a magabody for it.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Like.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
But the point of the deeper point I want to
make is this is his second glowing New York Times
profile in six months. The last one was by Taylor Lorenz.
This is a new one. It's full of nonsense. Both
of the pieces neglect almost entirely his outrageous statements from
the past, because you're allowed to be an edgy, extreme
(16:32):
liberal influencer who says insane stuff in a way that
you are not if you are right laning. So here
he is. He's been in an October seventh atrocity denier.
He's called Jews in bread, he's platformed futies. He said
he has no problem with Hesbelah. I've watched these clips.
They're not out of not out of context. There is
one glancing mention he said.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
One more thing. He said, it doesn't matter if rapes
occurred on October seventh, it's irrelevant to him.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Maybe really the guy he's also he's also said, I'm
just gonna say it, we deserved nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So like I'm just saying, you're a hero.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You and I aren't going to get two glowing New
York Times profiles.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
And if we ever did get a profile, it would have.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Every single borderline problematic thing we've ever said in.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It, totally.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Everyone this past just to pass.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
He loves Palestinians, so it just gets a pass as
they follow him. I will say it's more of the
sort of like AOC Bernie, as far left as you
can get. He might be into video games, but he
also is into very very far left policy right.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And as long as that doesn't win, let them have
their fun with it. We're going to take a short
break and come right back with normally. So I don't
know if you've heard Mary Catherine, but people are wearing
crosses and it's a whole thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I saw this.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I saw a screenshot of this New York Times headline,
and I thought it was fake. I was like, this
is a Babylon Bee like a photo shop or something. Yeah,
it is this a hot accessory at the intersection of
faith and culture, seen on influencers, pop stars and White
House staff. Cross necklaces are popping up everywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Pop stars are wearing crosses. Now Madonna's looking around like
what now this is?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
They are so so deeply out of touch like it
actually it actually makes me wonder maybe Biden did trick them.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That is really good, Like maybe you did miss it,
if you missed.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That people wear across jewelry for this long. So yeah,
it talks about Chapel Ron's across, Sabrina Carpenter's worn across.
Then it goes into the real reason for the story,
which is that Pambondi and Caroline Lovett and maybe it's problematic,
Maybe it's problematic. Yes, Indeed, white authoritarianism or white nationalism
(18:57):
is mentioned in this college and this piece of course,
because you can't you can't not talk about faith based
white nationalism while you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Totally normal cross jewelry.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Right right, poor Chapel Rohn, is you a white nationalist name?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I know?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, they get to throw in some lefties because apparently
Hakim Jeffrey's war across on that some protests.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
They did recently, But like the people they're just like.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Quoting influencers are like, yeah, I wear a cross because,
like I believe in Jesus and I feel like it's
a nice way to communicate to other people that we
might have shared values.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Like love it wowsah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, and then I did enjoy the The person they
had comment as a as a an expert, because you
need an expert. Okay, Lucy Collins, you ready for these creds.
An assistant professor at the Fashion Institute of Technology in
New York who teaches courses in philosophy, fashion theory, and ethics,
(19:58):
said while cross necklaces are often worn apolitically, their appearance
in the political sphere in the United States has introduced
implications of partisan politics.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah. It's like when Mara Gay at the New York
Times was offended by all the American flags, Like sometimes
they just say crazy things and they don't realize how
crazy it is.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
They didn't they just didn't know how crazy it was.
I enjoy this. The cross, a.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Symbol most associated with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, first
emerged during the Roman Empire, when it was an instrument
of mass torture, said Robert Covolo, the theologian associate pastor
at Christ Church, Sierra Madre. And then it says, referencing
its usual its original use, Mister Covolo said the cross
was a quote symbol of the Roman Empire asserting its
(20:44):
power with impunity. Over centuries, the cross has evolved. I
like that they have to start with first of all,
like we don't know this. Second of all, they're like,
let's mention the torture and the empire as part of
the story. And then it's like, by the way, it does.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Just mean Christianity, by the.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Way, maybe maybe that's what people mean. I as a Jew,
love seeing crosses on people. I love seeing people represent
their values. I am all about it. And it just
looks cool. It just looks cool. So where are those crosses? People?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I agree with Star David, we're both we both rock
them depending on the day.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And I just I truly thought it was fake.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I wish it was fake.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Like there wasn't one person in the newsroom who was like, hmm,
I'm not sure this is a story, right.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
This doesn't seem like a story at all.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Actually, But the.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Point of the story is to be like Caroline Lovett
is muddying the Christianity waters with her christian.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
She's respect and Pam Bondi with their crosses. Yeah, come on,
just be normal, guys.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And we wonder why you don't recover everything else sanely.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
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