Dr. Robert Malone: RFK Jr’s Battle In Washington, Trump’s Base & HHS Chaos | Ep. 14 - Part 1
Dr. Robert Malone joins David Rutherford for Part 1 of a groundbreaking two-part interview that pulls no punches.
In this episode, Dr. Malone breaks down the explosive testimony of RFK Jr. on Capitol Hill, the political warfare surrounding vaccine mandates, and the shocking state of America’s public health institutions. They discuss:
- RFK Jr.'s reforms at HHS and the backlash in Washington
- How the pharmaceutical industry controls media and politics
- The Trump administration’s role in Operation Warp Speed
- Mass formation psychosis and the psychological tactics used on the public
- The splintering of information on the internet (“splinternet”)
- Bureaucratic chaos and resistance inside the federal government
🔥 This is Part 1 of a two-part interview.
In Part 2, Dr. Malone digs into bioweapons research, global power structures, and what must happen next to restore integrity in science and government.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been five years since the madness of COVID, and
we still don't have the answers we deserve as the
American public.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This week on Capitol Hill, Robert F.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Kennedy Junior was dropping bombs in front of Congress in
the Senate. Well, guess what we welcome world renowned scientists,
inventor of the mRNA technology, doctor Robert Malone, to talk
all things about vaccines, COVID, and the government cover up.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Join me on the David Rutherford Show. Welcome to the show, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I'm just so honored and privileged to have one of
my heroes, doctor Robert Malone on with me this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Doctor Malone, again, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
What I want to start out with is this week
Robert Kennedy Junior was on the Hill and it seemed
to really ruffle a bunch of feathers because in conjunction
with his testimony, he also made some pretty powerful changes
at HHS, which you know, reducing staff by twenty five percent,
(01:09):
condensing divisions from twenty eight down to fifteen, a bunch
of other cuts at taking place. And I noticed that
you kept your fan base paying attention to this. Why
do you think this week was such an important week
from everything we've gone through over the last five years.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
No last five years, so it's I think become abundantly
clear to those of us that have their eyes open
that the industrial bid, defense, biomedical, academic, military complex, I guess,
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is what you have to call it now. It's kind
of spread into everything has corrupted American health and American healthcare.
And that extends out into the insurance agencies, It extends
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to the hospital chains, it extends to the health management organizations,
it extends even to the academic journals, and it certainly
extends throughout the government and particularly on the Hill. I've
made a case repeatedly that to a significant extent, American
(02:38):
elections all the way down to Dogcatcher practically are capitalized
by pharmaceutical industry money. We also can see now over
the last five years, through the weaponized propaganda, not to
mention censorship and the access journalism which is another word
(02:58):
for propaganda, that corporate media is significantly compromised. And we've
under uncovered some of the mechanisms by which that happens,
including the large fraction of what we call corporate media
or establishment media or mainstream media, a large fraction of
their revenue is coming from the pharmaceutical industry. And it's
(03:20):
not just coming in the form of advertising that is
specifically seeking to induce customers to either buy the products
directly or to noodle their physicians to buy the products
and prescribe them. But rather this money comes in to
the likes of The Washington Post, New York Times, CNN,
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et cetera, in part to influence their content. If it
doesn't have to be overt If you're receiving a large
fraction of your revenue from an industry, it's going to
buy us how you with that industry, And that's just
that's normal human behavior. You wouldn't expect anything less. But
(04:07):
behind all this, we've also learned that HHS has been
compromised in a very significant way. Industry capture has occurred,
regulatory capture has occurred. I put out an essay the
other day that was just a great case study regarding
the new lobbying organization that has been set up to
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support the RNA mRNA industry. I was to call it.
I think it's an alliance of mRNA manufacturers. YEA is
their acronym, led by a registered lobbyist and foreign agent
who has a reputation of basically accepting whatever money is
(04:55):
available to and does the bidding of whoever it is
that's paying him. Doesn't seem to be many filters there.
So that and that. What's interesting in the current discussion
is that that new lobbying organization has overtly launched a
targeted marketing campaign aimed at President Trump in attempting to
(05:19):
get President Trump to I don't know, put a leash
on Bobby Kennedy metaphorically speaking. And in the face of
all of this pressure and the historic support of President
Trump for Operation Warp Speed, his self identification of OWS
(05:39):
and the MR and A based products in particular as
one of his great successes during his first term, Kennedy
Secretary Kennedy and his small handful of confirmed colleagues. Remember that,
for instance, the CDC director is still pending, as a
number of these positions that have been a point that
(06:00):
is still pending. And of course recently we have the
Surgeon General, which generated so much heat because of the
base objecting to Casey means for a variety of reasons
that still baffle me, you know, because the Surgeon General
(06:24):
is really not that important of a position, and it
has never been controversial. Appointments for that position have kind
of been nothing burgers that nobody pays attention to. That
the prior nominee, who had a personal relationship with a
key influential politician selecting my words, apparently could not get
(06:54):
the votes in the Senate subcommittee and was pulled at
the last minute before hearing, and the means doctor means
was substituted. So so there's a number of these pending positions.
There's just a small handful of confirmed positions. And then
(07:14):
overlaying this, you had Doage coming in and driving a
lot of these. The acronym used in DC as riffs
or reduction in force. So this is the twenty percent
reduction in force, which I think I read as I
recall that under Clinton President Clinton, there was something like
(07:38):
a thirty percent riff on HHS. But still the Democrats
are howling over this, and you know, trotting out the
usual catastrophic fear that world will die, you know because
of this, you know that this is an existential crisis,
that there's you know, going to be broad based sudden
(08:02):
death and and all this, and Secretary Kennedy has come
back rather forcefully. I think he must be getting uh
training uh from Jack Posovic or somebody, because he's he's
coming back in these hearings and and you know, metaphorically
not tolerating uh, these propaganda lines and misrepresentations. There was
(08:30):
one that was particularly striking, having to do with I
don't know where that woman was from California, New York
with blue hair, h congress person. I guess I should
say a congress person identifying as a female. I believe,
uh because she's from the left and uh so I
don't want to disrespect her uh and her genitor identity.
(08:55):
So she she was being quite aggressive of about these
rift positions and how catastrophic this is going to be,
and Bobby came back forcefully enough that she decided she
needed to talk over him and not let him finish,
(09:16):
in which he made the case that during these last
four years, HHS has grown by another I think it
was thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, right around there, yep.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, And and these these reduction and force that has
been put in place is just not even returning it
to where it was at the start of the COVID crisis.
So but there, you know, the sky is falling and
broad based healthcare catastrophe is pending. And Bobby's point is
(09:50):
made quite nicely that in the face of this ongoing
escalation of HHS budget and staffing, UH all measurable outcomes
for health of Americans, not the least of which is
their life expectancy, has continued to decline. Uh. And and
(10:14):
then there's the you know, uh, just overt mismanagement. That's
the kindest thing I could say about the COVID crisis. Uh.
You know, there's beyond beyond, there's words. There's a spectrum
of words beyond mismanagement that go all the way to uh,
intentional bioweaponival.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And destruction of the future of our lives, life as
we know it.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Right, Yeah, I mean, uh, pick your term uh and
and pick where you want to be on that spectrum.
But I don't think anybody, uh it's any at all
objective can conclude that HHS UH did a good job
during the COVID crisis. So what I hear in this
(11:03):
part of your question, you know, what are the consequences.
I do have a fair amount of chatter going back
and forth with various people in HHSO, including some leadership,
and I'm hearing widespread chaos. Uh that that this the
(11:24):
riff has created a situation where the you know, so
understandably a lot of these reduction and forces of actions
have landed on the bureaucracy. And so the bureaucracy is
faced a rather abrupt shift in staffing and they are
(11:47):
still trying to figure out what the new chain of
command is, what their new roles and responsibilities are. And
so the derivative of that is in you know, in
bureaucratic world, is that they don't their efficiency in performing
(12:09):
routine tasks, what we might call paper pushing, has just
gone straight down the toilet, and they they just don't know.
You know, what I'm hearing is just a lot of
chaos and churn. And and you know, a lot of
these folks are still working from a home, let's say,
(12:30):
even though they're not supposed to be, or you know,
they're off site. And then on top of that, you
have the presidential appointments that should be able to start
to create structure and are needed to create structure within
(12:52):
this rift bureaucracy, and those appointments have been hamstrung, like
I mentioned by an intransgent Senate, And so you have
a lot of new people. Remember it's it's one hundred
days since the president came in, but plus but it's
(13:15):
like sixty days since Bobby came in, so two months
with all these changes. And so you've got a bureaucracy
from below that doesn't is still grappling with who's on first.
And then you've got the political points from above that
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are functionally riffed. They're they're not anywhere close to being
fully staffed. In part, they can't be fully staffed, not
only because the Senate, but because the bureaucracy can't push
the paper in order to get the appointees in. So
it is there's a fair amount of chaos. Yet despite that,
(14:03):
we are seeing major structural changes implemented at a break
necks ace. So you've got all of these moving parts
going on right now and it's a little chaotic. But
to the latest thing that has the let's say endorsers
(14:30):
and supporters of the biopharmaceutical industry having kittenfits right now
is the kind of trial balloons that have been floated
and rumors and surrogates that have said that AHHS is
(14:52):
about to make some major decisions about withdrawing support for
the pediatric and UH pregnant pregnancy recommendations relating to these
m RNA products. I hesitate to call them vaccines as
(15:15):
prophylactics for COVID, when you know, of course COVID now
is pretty much a nothing burder. But they are all
got their tails and twists. And stat News, who basically
is the voice of the Boston biotech biopharmaceutical industry, took
(15:35):
and amplified the Wall Street Journal report of two days ago.
I think it was when they came out with this
exclusive story that has been foreshadowed I think for about
two weeks now, but by Commissioner McCarty and by the
(15:57):
CDC and others that the data aren't there to support
these positions of recommending further inoculations and children and in pregnancy,
which you know, of course, the industry UH strongly denies
that there's abundant data and and but completely denies that
(16:19):
there's any adverse events, despite the literally thousands of peer
reviewed papers documenting those adverse events. But it presses like no, no, no, no, no,
I can't hear that, and it all comes down. I
think that at the end of the day, we posted
a meme on X that is an old one has
a kind of a stylized graphic of a young woman
(16:43):
with short cropped black hair wearing a mask uh, and
written on the mask it says some version of uh,
I'm not ready to accept that everything that I thought
was true was a lie. And that one, that one
is that's the meme that keeps on giving that responses.
(17:06):
But I guess it's got underlying truth. There's still widespread denihilism.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I gotta tell you, Doc, when when you put out
the meme post that that's my favorite aspect, a guy
that has your background, all the patents, all the papers
you've written, all the different places in the agencies around
the world, and then when you.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Put out a meme, it crushes me.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I swear, I laugh for like five minutes straight, and
I've sent it to all my friends and I just
love it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Thank you for that to be so we have to
be happy warriors.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
It's really easy to get discouraged, and I'm I'm so disheartened,
frankly by the bases some of the things that have
been said, including from people I'm not going to name
names that were very close to Bobby in Big supporters,
and they said some really strong, unpleasant words that are
(18:11):
are ill advised. Let's again choosing my words, ill advised
language that always one would expect to hear from the
likes of AOC or Elizabeth Warren. Uh so, uh, you know, guys, everybody,
guys and gals, because we only have two genders on
our side of the street. Guys and gals, just chill
(18:35):
out clearly in case you don't get the memo. As
I put the other day, Hey, politics in DC is
you're dealing with the imperial capital and DC politics are
a blood sport. If you don't believe me, as President Trump, yeah,
(18:56):
quite and uh that's a you know, making light of
that is a little sketchy too. I mean, it was
a horrible thing. But this kind of nitpicking and negativity
and second guessing and armchair quarterbacking recognize police that the
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Secretary and his colleagues that have been confirmed are confronting
an enormous challenge. They are confronting some of the most entrenched,
powerful organizations in the world, and those organizations have deep
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connections within the US government and in particular the House
and Senate, but to some extent also the President and
moving the president. You know, I've had I don't know
how many conversations with SEAPAC leadership who I'm good friends with,
and others that have served in Trump won that tried
(20:12):
to coach the president and big donors that tried actively
to coach the president to reconsider his positions on the
Operation Worm speed and the COVID genetic products. And he
(20:37):
hasn't wanted to hear it at all. I think the
booing on the campaign trail caused him to drop that
that thread in his speeches towards the end of the campaign.
But it it's it's certainly the the analysts. I'm sure
(21:01):
we'll be chewing on this UH for the next decade.
But a case can be made that the the reason
why UH President Trump is president and had the majority
that he had was because of this assimilation of the
(21:22):
MAHA structure and electorate that really comes is from the left.
It was a core part of the democratic constituency historically.
These are people that.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
To include Tulsi Gabbard from the intelligence side as well too,
and Bobby Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, that combo unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
And by the way, Tulsi, you have to recognize in
in considering Tulsi UH Bobby has Bob actively pushed her
as the next president after Trump, uh in their barnstorming
tour that they did towards the end of the campaign,
and uh she ah, she still considers herself a candidate.
(22:17):
I'm pretty sure for the next round. So Tulsa versus
jd vance in good news is that at least we
have some depth at the bench. But as opposed to
the other side, that's just off in you know, Peter Panland,
you know, with the lost boys, uh so or girls
(22:39):
or hits or whatever they are, so uh so, this
is you know, President Trump has his own uh political
issues here in terms of maintaining the base. Yes, this
is his last term, so he's technically a lane duck.
(23:02):
But the midterms are going to determine whether any of
these executive orders are sustainable. And people keep, I don't know,
they have some strange mental block to realizing that all
we got with this election was about eighteen months of
(23:26):
oxygen and expending that oxygen on petty nattering, nay bob
stuff when the big, big issues in the big fight
is still in progress and you don't even have confirmation.
(23:49):
The CDC director is just totally kind of productive. I
wish people would just put a core on it, but
you know, it's free speech and it's the Internet. That's
the way things are and are positive. I'm positive that,
you know, as the author of cy war and somebody
(24:10):
who's had to take a deep dive into understanding modern
psychological warfare and the dynamics of the Internet, that there
has the opponents of Secretary Kennedy and the MOHA agenda
(24:31):
have deployed a lot of bots and trollery and chaos
agents into this space to divide the base and to
promote this kind of anger and discord. And if you
don't believe that, you think that's a conspiracy theory, just
(24:56):
take a look at what was revealed after Secretary Kennedy
spoke about removing sodas from the Special Nutrition Assistance Programs
SNAP otherwise known as food stamps, and the soda industry
immediately created just a blizzard of AstroTurf organizations and then
(25:23):
they were dropping literally its document one thousand bucks per
tweet to conservative influencers to write crap about Bobby's very
reasonable determination that the food stamps should not be used
to subsidize toxic foods and candies and sugary sodas. You know,
(25:47):
if somebody wants to go buy full strength of Coca Cola,
including the President, then that's their business. I think that
we should not put restrictions on that, but that taxpayers
should subsidize people to buy toxic foods that are going
(26:10):
to make them more sick and cause them to need
more medical care, which the taxpayers are also going to subsidize.
That doesn't make any sense, and that's transparently the case.
And yet you've got conservative influencers sparking about this because
they're getting thousand bucks a tweet that talking about lack
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of integrity, that's that's you know, I as somebody who
now finds himself in this weird world of quote being
an influencer at one point three million Twitter followers and
a total of something like two million across all the platforms,
which isn't huge, but it's nothing either. You know, I'm
(26:55):
very aware that I need to carefully consider my messaging
and maintain my own personal integrity in this. You know,
I don't take money from anything except occasionally. Like for instance,
(27:17):
the other day, I did a deal with the guy
that is marketing the fentanyl test, and that brought in
a total of about two hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah you're rich.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah that'll not even pay one month's hay bill. So
thanks for that. I still think the fentyl issue and
the fentyl test is a great advance, but and the
fednel issue is is super important. But you know, you
can't you can't push the rock up hill. I'm privileged,
(27:57):
blessed by have in about three hundred and fifty thousand
subscribers to our sub stack to get a daily about
right around thirteen thousand of those actually have paid subscriptions.
And what that means is that I have a decentralized
(28:17):
funding base. And if any one of those subscribers gets
pissed off because I used a bad word or something,
and they they decide to cancel their subscription, or more commonly,
they're facing personal financial pressure. That's the usual reason for
canceling is I have a lot of readers. They like
(28:41):
to read, but they tend to be older, and they're
facing a significant financial stress, many of them these days,
and so they need to stop their subscriptions. But those
people set me free to be earnest and honest. But
I also need to continue to act with integrity or
(29:04):
they will leave in drugs.
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Speaker 1 (30:00):
That I've always from the earliest days where you were
doing presentations with doctor Navarro, where you were raising you know,
the alarms that hey, this is.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
This is, this is remember that. And Peter and I
wrote a couple of op eds that you know, got
the press pretty well pissed off because we were saying
that you shouldn't give these products to people that don't
need them.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well, got you kicked off LinkedIn, got you kicked off Twitter,
got you kicked off all those places and got him
eventually and wound up in jail. You know, and you
know when you the one thing that I that really
captured me the most about your lectures as well as
the fascinating details with which you articulate the science behind
(30:54):
all of these technologies and how we're not sure what
the potential long term effects are going to be an
now through people like Ed Dowd and finding out the
insurance quote morbid you know, the morbidity rates and the
explosions and super cantor turbo cancers and all the different
issues and the VARs data.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
We know what you were saying in the beginning, right with.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
That microtitist incident. I mean, think about this, Virtually every
person on the globe has been infected, and a large
fraction of them have experienced brain full Just that alone,
the impact on the cognitive capabilities of the collective world
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is profound. And this was an engineered virus.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Well, that's where I want to get to.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
These are the two spots that because you know, coming
from my background and special operations my background in the
intelligence world.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know, I understand bio weapon. I've studied it.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I've had to learn I was a medic, I had
to learn how to treat it, identify, and then at
the agency, obviously I learned a whole other level about
psychological warfare as well too. And that's the thing that
really got me when you started talking about mass formation psychosis.
That was the pivot moment for me because I was like, wait,
(32:18):
here's a scientist. Here's a guy that has been deeply
dedicated in his life to figuring out how to benefit humanity.
And then you moved into the government, did incredible work
within the government in biodefense, research and development. Who's coming
out and saying, listen, you all have essentially been brainwashed.
(32:42):
You need to wake up. You need to realize what's
going on. This is these are the connections, and you
were the first, I believe, the first person with substantial
credibility that was voicing those alarms. My question to you, sir,
is how come even with this You know, the base
(33:04):
and the extension of the Bass with the Maha movement
and Tulsi as it grew, and we certainly saw what
the political tsunami that took place at this fall. You know,
why are there still so many people that don't see
this intricate web that is diabolical in nature and intentionally
(33:28):
trying to craft these very sophisticated narratives that change the
consciousness of the collective.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
So if I can rephrase your question, please, You teed
up massformation, psychosis or massformation the matiast estimate kind of
twenty first century extension of the work upon art Sigmund
Freud all the way back to Plato in the case
(34:01):
and Uh, it was uh, you know, vilified. The You're
familiar with all the the heat that came down on
me and a lot of other people, most here in
North America not familiar with what was deployed against Mattias Uh,
including in his own university. Uh. He he was not
(34:24):
able to teach his own book.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It's it's uh. And and we even had we had
an American uh psychiatrist uh attacking him constantly uh uh
and in making false claims that he had enabled uh
(34:48):
a predator to uh in in a hospital situation to
kill patients. Uh. And you know, just all kinds of
ugly stuff. But but Mattias was speaking about, and that
I did my best to responsibly uh communicate to a
(35:11):
broader audience and to accurately represent the logic that he
had built, which kind of starts on a foundation of
social fragmentation as a thing that enabled that process to occur.
And by the way, ties back to the effects of hyperinflation,
(35:33):
which also fragments societies and has uh you know, it
was historically kind of the roots of of what happened
in the Weimar Republic transition to national socialism uh orgo
Nazis uh, and and that that hyperinflation has always historically
(35:57):
been behind a lot of these transition moments where the
population basically loses its mind and and undergoes one of
these events. And by the way, the term mass formation
that seems a little bit odd uh to uh English
(36:19):
speaking ears mass formation, It doesn't doesn't fit with our
use of the language. And the reason for that is
because it's translated from the Dutch, and it's kind of
a little bit of a mistranslation because that's where he writes,
that's his native language, and what he's really talking about
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is the madness of crowds, which we all understand. I mean,
that's that's the you know, pitchforks and fire portrayed in
in Frankenstein.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Or on a positive psychology perspective, it's concerts, right, the
the euphoria that an entire.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Group of people can feel listening to.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Music, good, good, good example. So these crowd uh phenomena
uh that are are well and well known, uh, not
completely well understood psychologically in all the pushback that, well,
the DSM doesn't describe mass information psychosis, therefore it's just
a conspiracy theory. Well, the Diagnostic Statistics Manual of the
(37:21):
American Psychiatric Association of it is e p A, focuses
on individuals. It doesn't really speak to crowd based phenomena.
So that's a non secular So but under that, you're you're,
you're touching on this long standing observation, uh that For instance,
(37:45):
there's a there's an interview in Black and White from
Aldus Huxley in the early sixties in which he speaks
basically in defense of propaganda and in the context of
the British government, basically making the case that without propaganda,
governments can't operate, that they have to use these tools
(38:09):
in order to manage the population, you know, which libertarians,
you know, drives them up.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Dave Smith and Scott Horton go through the roof with that,
don't they.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
But that's the logic, right, And so he despite a
brave New world in his mentorship of George Orwell, famous
for nineteen eighty or an Animal Farm, he was a
defender in many ways, and his brother was seminole in
the development of the UN Charter and a lot of
(38:44):
this globalist logic that we are confronted with all the time.
But he makes the case in that interview that about
twenty percent of a population are highly suggestible will basically
follow authority figures that in others make the connection that
(39:08):
the same fraction of the population has the characteristic that
they're readily hypnotized, so they're highly suggested, and about twenty
percent of the population are highly not suggestible people. And
why that is is still a mystery, you know, Is
it childhood experiences? Is genetics? Is all the above? Who knows?
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But there are those and perhaps you and I are
in that group of the centers that aren't so easily.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I do have to admit, though, Doc, when I went
through training, I was all in.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I drank the kool aid as much as you could
drink the kool aid.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
And that's right, that's good to own that. So yeah,
and by the way, that's a fundamental aspect of medical training.
People are all perplexed by why the doc bucks we're
all in harmony supporting the narrative. Well, you can't get
through medical school unless you become very adept at assimilating
(40:12):
and regurgitating whatever authority figures tell you. That is the
essence of medical training these days.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's why I love Casey Means and what she's doing
out there, you know, is speaking you know, the most
profound truth to that coming out of Harvard and the
level with which she was operating. I mean, that's why
it's so beautiful that now she does get into this
role that you had said, hopefully gets into this role
(40:40):
and takes it runs with it.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
You know that you had.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Said before was this muted role, but now like it
can become. It's really like the spokesperson of the United States,
right for.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It is fully for the Public Health Service, and she
would have typically a rank of admiral, but not commander
of the Seas. But yeah, yeah, some you know, the
Public Health Services structured it basically is outgrowth of the navy,
and so they basically wear naval tropical uniforms and have
(41:17):
assigned ranks as if they were naval officers. But I
guarantee getting to be captain or admiral in the Navy
is a whole different thing from being captain admiral in
but neverthe best.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
So sorry to distract on your point.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Twenty percent are just tell me what to do it
I'll do it. Twenty percent are tell me what to do,
and I'll tell you to go straight to hell. And
the rest are basically whichever way the wind seems to
be blowing. So those are the persuadable middle and they're
the only ones that matter, by the way, politically. UH
(42:00):
and and so UH, you're asking the question, it's been
a long time getting back to your question. You're asking
the question, UH, why is it that we're still seeing
UH such a large fraction of the population unwilling to
question the dominant UH narrative that was so aggressively promoted
(42:27):
and deployed during the COVID crisis, including these UH phrases
that are used as part of neurolinguistic programming, such as
safe and effective UH. And they're still being used. Uh
in although U S A I. D is mostly gutted,
(42:51):
but those programs are still in you know, uh.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Capitalist in the budget.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah exactly so, Uh, it's people, people that are in
the base, let's say, don't don't recognize that they are
still a minority opinion. This is so. I wrote a
(43:18):
essay a few days ago about the Splinternet and the
Balkanization of Uh. It's really the entire knowledge and information space, uh,
referring to the Balkans in Europe that became very separated
and isolated from each other economically, and that led to
(43:40):
some political and economic problems in Europe historically. So the
Balkans and Balconization becomes a metaphor for when things get fragmented.
And the Internet is absolutely getting fragmented, hence the new
term the Splinternet. And it's getting fragmented in some ways
in an unavoidable process. For instance, you know, we've long
(44:04):
known that China was controlling what was available to their
population because they knew that if they had a fully
open Worldwide Web access, then their population would be exposed
to ideas that they don't want to be to be
exposed to in information they don't want, well, the United
(44:24):
States doesn't want us exposed to information from China, Russia
being you know, it's almost a direct crime to have
been employed by Russia Times at this point, you know what,
most of the world considers far more credible than CNN
(44:46):
as a news source. But if you were an American
that ever worked for Russia Times, you can forget about
having a serious position with any administration or any news
service now. And uh, there's a good probability that you're
going to find yourself under investigation by the FBI if
nothing else. So we do it, they do it. And
(45:11):
now we have things like the digital information restrictions in
Europe that are imposing major finds on social media companies,
you know, as a fraction of their revenue if they
don't restrict the forms of speech and the and the
(45:36):
topic areas that the European Union doesn't want discussed and
and so then the only way to maintain even if
we want to have an open Internet in the United States,
we're basically going to have to set up firewalls because Twitter,
you know, Twitter or Facebook or whatever you think about that, Uh,
(46:00):
all these entities that are major notes. You know that
another little sorry I'm jumping around. But the folks that
haven't studied the scalability issues with the Internet don't realize
that the entire Internet could be taken down by taking
out something like little less than one percent of all
the nodes, because it's all these major nodes like Google
(46:24):
that control it all. It's all because of the kind
of organic, decentralized structure. You have these major nodes and
they basically structure the entire Internet organically, and they can't
operate in an open environment if they're going to get fined,
(46:45):
you know, five or ten percent of their revenue. Because
doctor Malone says that Ursula Vondelion is lying right repeatedly. Yeah,
so as a threat to democracy. So we're going to
have to set up firewalls in the United States and
(47:08):
hopefully we have an open Internet in the United States.
And then, as if that isn't bad enough, we have
the kind of organic segregation and parsing into communities. That's
another major factor of this Internet, so that we're all
we ourself and the algorithms are reinforcing that we're self
segregating into little pockets. And this is what gets back
(47:32):
to the point that the base, which the MA base,
which represents one of those segregated pockets, thinks that because
they're only talking to themselves, they think that they represent
a majority opinion, and they don't realize that they're still
in the minority. That these positions like that the job
(47:54):
should be withdrawn from the market that I advocated with
other physicians in a press conference broadcast and recorded at
del Big Tree Studio down in Texas about three years ago.
That's still a minority opinion, and it can't break out
because of the organic boundaries that exist within the Splinternet
(48:18):
and because of things like small rooming that's happening, which
is that I may have one point three million followers
technically on Twitter but or x, but the truth is
that my messaging is only allowed to go out to
(48:40):
a small subset of those right even though the other
ones are subscribing. And so I end up feeling thinking
that I'm talking to a broader audience, when in fact
I'm just in the same yet coach chamber. And that's
true for everybody in this space. So they think that
the world is aligned with them because they're only talking
(49:04):
to people that are like them. And uh so that now,
now Bobby H had been existing in that space Children's
health defense. Uh and and the things, the audience that
it speaks to, which is actually fairly modest, was where
(49:29):
he lived and the and until he broke out of
the framing, out of the Overton window that was structured
around him that he's an anti vaxxer by assimilating, no,
I'm I'm pro health. Uh and I'm particularly pro children's health.
(49:52):
Uh And the vaccine issue is just one aspect of
my being pro health. Floride is another one. Uh dies
in foods or another one, et cetera, et cetera. Then
he was able to break out of that and and
reach the granola head tree hugger uh pits off moms right,
(50:12):
uh and and uh so the rest is history. But uh,
now he is running the largest division of the US
federal government by budget, bigger than the d O D
(50:34):
at least the what is the budget for HHS? I
don't know. I can't, I don't have that in my brain.
But but it's it's officially because because of basically because
of doctor Oz's portfolio Medicare, Medicaid, right. But uh, but
it's massive and he now has to I'm referring to
(50:57):
Bobby has to represent and operate uh in the interests
of the entire nation. Uh. He no longer has the
latitude to just speak to uh the true believers. Uh.
And that's the base doesn't seem to understand that, right,
(51:19):
that that he is operating in a totally different battlefield now,
Uh and uh and up against as I said before,
the most powerful organizations in the world, Big finance, UH,
Wall Street, big pharm, A big Egg, big food. I
(51:43):
mean this is this is uh, you know, this is
the big leagues, boys and girls. Uh, this is so
much more than just vaccines that he's having to grapple with. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I love how you frame it in that context, or
you know, as like you and you keep coming back
to that fight. Right, And I'm I'm hearing it from
my friends that are high up at d O D
what you know, Pete Hagseith is having to do with
deal with Right, I'm I'm hearing inclinations of it within
the intelligence community. Right, and how entrenched you know, how
(52:18):
difficult it is with Radcliffe and and everybody doing that
same thing. If if if.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Has got the tire by the tail and the and
where the rubber hits the road. Not to make too
many metaphors, there is uh the investigation of viral origins.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yes, yep, yeah, and I And it's interesting as you
depict the magnitude of all of these things together and
hopefully the audience is allowing themselves to make those connections, right, because.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Well that's what happens, right.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
People's minds blow and then are all of a sudden
the wheat everything I thought I knew might not be true?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
And then what do I do now?
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (53:07):
How do I stay positive? How do I.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
How do you stay a happy warrior?
Speaker 4 (53:13):
You remember Ronald Reagan? Okay, never forget Ronald Reagan. It's
morning in America. Be a happy warrior. Do not be
one of these you know, down Debbie Downer. The sky
is falling, Henny Penny.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
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Speaker 2 (54:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Do you think that that's that's if you were to
be able to get If if if Bobby Junior called
you tomorrow said doctor Malone, I want you to come in.
I want you to be one of my advisors.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
What are what are this?
Speaker 2 (54:39):
How are you going to attack this system?
Speaker 1 (54:42):
This this you know, this multi headed system from from
the scientific community. How do you begin to break apart
or at least at that core point? What do you
advise him to do?
Speaker 3 (54:59):
If had made that call, and if I was in
the progress of being vetted for something like that, I
would have to deny it. Wow, because that's the doose
are the rules in the Trump administration? Is the fastest
way to find yourself not appointed is to announce your
(55:22):
appointment got it prematurely, and a number have fallen a
foul of that, including unfortunately the people that were initially
considered for USDA right, a congressman that I strongly support,
(55:46):
in a farmer that I strongly supported. It's just unfortunate.
I've seen it again and again. So if if something
like that theoretical uh was to happen, I would find
myself in a position where I'm one voice in the
context of a massive bureaucracy with all kinds of competing interests.
(56:12):
So the best I could hope to do would be
to use the term nudge at the margins and what
I think. So my position on all of this has
been all the way through. If called to serve my country,
I will do so to the best of my ability.
(56:33):
But I do not seek an appointment. There are I
think there are places where I can be useful, and
there are other places that I might be useful, but
I don't want and that that don't want. Part is
I know enough about what it would be like to
have an administrative slot that I have absolutely no interest
(56:55):
in such full stop.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Up roger that all right, noted, all right, the last little.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
Bit, But in terms of of policy positions where I
can be used effectively here, UH is UH coming from
two places, and I've spoken to Heritage about this. In theory,
(57:25):
I'm supposed I need to get back to them. Ah,
I would I would love to be involved in rethinking
the Van of R. Bush underlying assumptions that have guided
the structure of the entire federal R and D enterprise.
Van of our Bush for those that are you know,
look it up on Google. Van of R. Bush was
(57:50):
a key figure in UH the Manhattan Project structure and
operations UH and is a name that's not often mentioned.
And then post war he was tasked with basically taking
the lessons learned and applying it first within D O, D,
(58:12):
R and D and then in a broader sense across
the federal government. And the structure that he set up
worked extremely well, but it's being compromised. Over time, a
lot of people have figured out how to work around
things and manipulate things and create these little victims. Like
Tony Fauci kind of personifies these little mafias, and that
(58:35):
someone needs to take a good, hard, long look at
that structure and update it in light of artificial intelligence
and all the modern capabilities that we have.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Well for me that I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
I'm also potentially useful as a subject matter expert in
things relating to gene therapy, genetic delivery technologies, vaccines, and
general regulatory affairs platform technologies. There's a outstanding congressionally mandated
new FDA guidance relating to platform technologies, potentially assisting in
(59:18):
various ways the advisory boards, the Vaccine and Related Biologics
Advisory Committee and the ACIP Advisory Committee, and organization practices
at the CDC. So my business before all this, and
one of the reasons why I was comfortable being a
(59:40):
you call it whistleblower or a truth teller or whatever
is that that has been my business is I've basically
been a coach to the C suite for years because
I could be reliably assumed to provide an independent assessment
(01:00:01):
of risks and opportunities to executives that are typically surrounded
by sick fans. So that's kind of in my brand,
and so it wasn't that much of a stretch to
kind of do that on a bigger scale. But I can,
I can be helpful to assistant secretaries, directors on kind
(01:00:27):
of an ad hoc basis to assist them in determining
what their options are, exploring those options, and that's I
think those are ways that I could be useful to
Secretary Kennedy, including serving as a sounding board to the
Secretary should he wish.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
That answer was exactly what I was hoping that you
would say for me. Obviously, the greatest fear that I
have is.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
That this whole.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Idea of what whether it's coming from the w h
O and and they're crazy true treaty they were trying
to get past in April, whether last and last year
as well.
Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
The way is coming up for a vote and they're
still jamming it through. They've kind of dialed back on
some of the rhetoric, but it's still there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Do you want to talk a little bit about that
at all? Or is that too that that's a lot
to get.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
In They've so I this is this has come at
us in two packages, the International Health Regulations, which they
jammed through modifications on basically by violating their own rules
and protocols. And Tedros is the guy that is what
(01:01:53):
was the what was the rallying cry, I'm in the
prior campaign, I'm not encumbered by what has been. Oh
my god, tedros seems to be a true believer in
not being encumbered by what has been. Uh and and.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
He's the embodiment of that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yeah, he kind of is. And uh uh you know,
with the full backing of Bill Gates and the WEF
and I'm so so he jammed this through basically by
violating all the rules in kind of a after dinner
(01:02:33):
lightning strike on the last day. That's the International Health
Regulations where a lot of the delegates weren't even present
to vote on it. And it's another one of those
things like the way Congress passes the budget. You know,
they drop it on your desk and say vote no,
you don't have time to read it. That's pretty much
(01:02:58):
the new model governance.
Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
New I think we're going on like thirty.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Years of that doc. Yeah, well they've they've refined it
to a fine art and Ted Rose is a true
believer in that. And then so then the next one,
the other part of the package was the pandemic treat
and they're no longer calling it a treaty. They've tried
to dial back on some of the wording. They're banking
(01:03:24):
it less proscriptive, but it's still getting jammed through and
it's going to come up for a vote. But I'm
not clear whether the US so in the prior in
the Biden administration. Biden administration didn't even bother to appoint
somebody to the basically Board of Directors of the World
(01:03:48):
Health Organization representing the United States. And given that President
Trump's position as we're getting out of this, thank you
very much, I doubt that he has appointed somebody for
that's that was actually a slot that I personally volunteered.
I'd say, I like this job because I would love
to be sitting there turning the screws on them, on
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behalf of the United States as we cancel our obligations.
But you know, if wishes were fishes, we would all
be there would be no beggars. So that didn't happen.
So it's it's I'm sure that they're going to vote
in some pseudo treaty and we're basically gonna save at
(01:04:37):
least I hope.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
So from your lips to his ears right, you know,
along those lines, I think for me, you know, we
have all of these let's call them stakeholders around the world,
who are all you know out there pontificating about, oh,
the next one is gonna be the big one, the
next one.
Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
All that existential fear that's you're going to die, You're
going to.
Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Die, conditioning, that conditioning.
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
And so for me, you know that that ability for
you to be uh, you know that that you.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Know, really powerful guide to this.
Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
You know, if if that should happen, and you know,
if if you're listening, you know, don't be afraid to
call your local congressman or call HHS and and advocate
for doctor Malone to at least you know, be consultant
on all this, all these things. But for for me,
it's really about you know, bio weapons research, uh, which
(01:05:41):
I believe is ultimately the core of what we're dealing
with right now. And so you know, my my last
kind of you know, spectrum of of your analysis that
I would love you to, you know, share with us
is where are we right now in terms of gain
of function and in terms of the NGOs that we're
outsourcing it where it's been outsources.
Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
You know, where are we now?
Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
And what does the current battle space of bio weapons
research and development look like? And what would you see
like to see happen in the next, you know, six
months with that. Well, if you're anything like me, during
(01:06:27):
that interview, my mind was blown.
Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Doctor Robert Malone is truly.
Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
An expert when it comes to all things relative to
the COVID nineteen pandemic, the lead up to it, the
generation of the mRNA vaccines. He was one of the
original inventors of the technology, as well as so much
more in terms of mass formation, psychosis, the government's role
(01:06:56):
in all this.
Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I understand it was.
Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
It's a lot to process, says, but stand by to
stand by because part two is coming up. Please join
us again during that episode where doctor Robert Malone is
going to dig into bioweapons research, bioweapons proliferation, and what
he feels the United States needs to embark on next.
(01:07:19):
So don't miss part two of my interview with doctor
Robert Malone.
Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Thank you very much.
It's been five years since the madness of COVID, and
we still don't have the answers we deserve as the
American public.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This week on Capitol Hill, Robert F.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Kennedy Junior was dropping bombs in front of Congress in
the Senate. Well, guess what we welcome world renowned scientists,
inventor of the mRNA technology, doctor Robert Malone, to talk
all things about vaccines, COVID, and the government cover up.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Join me on the David Rutherford Show. Welcome to the show, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I'm just so honored and privileged to have one of
my heroes, doctor Robert Malone on with me this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Doctor Malone, again, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
What I want to start out with is this week
Robert Kennedy Junior was on the Hill and it seemed
to really ruffle a bunch of feathers because in conjunction
with his testimony, he also made some pretty powerful changes
at HHS, which you know, reducing staff by twenty five percent,
(01:09):
condensing divisions from twenty eight down to fifteen, a bunch
of other cuts at taking place. And I noticed that
you kept your fan base paying attention to this. Why
do you think this week was such an important week
from everything we've gone through over the last five years.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
No last five years, so it's I think become abundantly
clear to those of us that have their eyes open
that the industrial bid, defense, biomedical, academic, military complex, I guess,
(01:53):
is what you have to call it now. It's kind
of spread into everything has corrupted American health and American healthcare.
And that extends out into the insurance agencies, It extends
(02:14):
to the hospital chains, it extends to the health management organizations,
it extends even to the academic journals, and it certainly
extends throughout the government and particularly on the Hill. I've
made a case repeatedly that to a significant extent, American
(02:38):
elections all the way down to Dogcatcher practically are capitalized
by pharmaceutical industry money. We also can see now over
the last five years, through the weaponized propaganda, not to
mention censorship and the access journalism which is another word
(02:58):
for propaganda, that corporate media is significantly compromised. And we've
under uncovered some of the mechanisms by which that happens,
including the large fraction of what we call corporate media
or establishment media or mainstream media, a large fraction of
their revenue is coming from the pharmaceutical industry. And it's
(03:20):
not just coming in the form of advertising that is
specifically seeking to induce customers to either buy the products
directly or to noodle their physicians to buy the products
and prescribe them. But rather this money comes in to
the likes of The Washington Post, New York Times, CNN,
(03:43):
et cetera, in part to influence their content. If it
doesn't have to be overt If you're receiving a large
fraction of your revenue from an industry, it's going to
buy us how you with that industry, And that's just
that's normal human behavior. You wouldn't expect anything less. But
(04:07):
behind all this, we've also learned that HHS has been
compromised in a very significant way. Industry capture has occurred,
regulatory capture has occurred. I put out an essay the
other day that was just a great case study regarding
the new lobbying organization that has been set up to
(04:28):
support the RNA mRNA industry. I was to call it.
I think it's an alliance of mRNA manufacturers. YEA is
their acronym, led by a registered lobbyist and foreign agent
who has a reputation of basically accepting whatever money is
(04:55):
available to and does the bidding of whoever it is
that's paying him. Doesn't seem to be many filters there.
So that and that. What's interesting in the current discussion
is that that new lobbying organization has overtly launched a
targeted marketing campaign aimed at President Trump in attempting to
(05:19):
get President Trump to I don't know, put a leash
on Bobby Kennedy metaphorically speaking. And in the face of
all of this pressure and the historic support of President
Trump for Operation Warp Speed, his self identification of OWS
(05:39):
and the MR and A based products in particular as
one of his great successes during his first term, Kennedy
Secretary Kennedy and his small handful of confirmed colleagues. Remember that,
for instance, the CDC director is still pending, as a
number of these positions that have been a point that
(06:00):
is still pending. And of course recently we have the
Surgeon General, which generated so much heat because of the
base objecting to Casey means for a variety of reasons
that still baffle me, you know, because the Surgeon General
(06:24):
is really not that important of a position, and it
has never been controversial. Appointments for that position have kind
of been nothing burgers that nobody pays attention to. That
the prior nominee, who had a personal relationship with a
key influential politician selecting my words, apparently could not get
(06:54):
the votes in the Senate subcommittee and was pulled at
the last minute before hearing, and the means doctor means
was substituted. So so there's a number of these pending positions.
There's just a small handful of confirmed positions. And then
(07:14):
overlaying this, you had Doage coming in and driving a
lot of these. The acronym used in DC as riffs
or reduction in force. So this is the twenty percent
reduction in force, which I think I read as I
recall that under Clinton President Clinton, there was something like
(07:38):
a thirty percent riff on HHS. But still the Democrats
are howling over this, and you know, trotting out the
usual catastrophic fear that world will die, you know because
of this, you know that this is an existential crisis,
that there's you know, going to be broad based sudden
(08:02):
death and and all this, and Secretary Kennedy has come
back rather forcefully. I think he must be getting uh
training uh from Jack Posovic or somebody, because he's he's
coming back in these hearings and and you know, metaphorically
not tolerating uh, these propaganda lines and misrepresentations. There was
(08:30):
one that was particularly striking, having to do with I
don't know where that woman was from California, New York
with blue hair, h congress person. I guess I should
say a congress person identifying as a female. I believe,
uh because she's from the left and uh so I
don't want to disrespect her uh and her genitor identity.
(08:55):
So she she was being quite aggressive of about these
rift positions and how catastrophic this is going to be,
and Bobby came back forcefully enough that she decided she
needed to talk over him and not let him finish,
(09:16):
in which he made the case that during these last
four years, HHS has grown by another I think it
was thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, right around there, yep.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, And and these these reduction and force that has
been put in place is just not even returning it
to where it was at the start of the COVID crisis.
So but there, you know, the sky is falling and
broad based healthcare catastrophe is pending. And Bobby's point is
(09:50):
made quite nicely that in the face of this ongoing
escalation of HHS budget and staffing, UH all measurable outcomes
for health of Americans, not the least of which is
their life expectancy, has continued to decline. Uh. And and
(10:14):
then there's the you know, uh, just overt mismanagement. That's
the kindest thing I could say about the COVID crisis. Uh.
You know, there's beyond beyond, there's words. There's a spectrum
of words beyond mismanagement that go all the way to uh,
intentional bioweaponival.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And destruction of the future of our lives, life as
we know it.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Right, Yeah, I mean, uh, pick your term uh and
and pick where you want to be on that spectrum.
But I don't think anybody, uh it's any at all
objective can conclude that HHS UH did a good job
during the COVID crisis. So what I hear in this
(11:03):
part of your question, you know, what are the consequences.
I do have a fair amount of chatter going back
and forth with various people in HHSO, including some leadership,
and I'm hearing widespread chaos. Uh that that this the
(11:24):
riff has created a situation where the you know, so
understandably a lot of these reduction and forces of actions
have landed on the bureaucracy. And so the bureaucracy is
faced a rather abrupt shift in staffing and they are
(11:47):
still trying to figure out what the new chain of
command is, what their new roles and responsibilities are. And
so the derivative of that is in you know, in
bureaucratic world, is that they don't their efficiency in performing
(12:09):
routine tasks, what we might call paper pushing, has just
gone straight down the toilet, and they they just don't know.
You know, what I'm hearing is just a lot of
chaos and churn. And and you know, a lot of
these folks are still working from a home, let's say,
(12:30):
even though they're not supposed to be, or you know,
they're off site. And then on top of that, you
have the presidential appointments that should be able to start
to create structure and are needed to create structure within
(12:52):
this rift bureaucracy, and those appointments have been hamstrung, like
I mentioned by an intransgent Senate, And so you have
a lot of new people. Remember it's it's one hundred
days since the president came in, but plus but it's
(13:15):
like sixty days since Bobby came in, so two months
with all these changes. And so you've got a bureaucracy
from below that doesn't is still grappling with who's on first.
And then you've got the political points from above that
(13:39):
are functionally riffed. They're they're not anywhere close to being
fully staffed. In part, they can't be fully staffed, not
only because the Senate, but because the bureaucracy can't push
the paper in order to get the appointees in. So
it is there's a fair amount of chaos. Yet despite that,
(14:03):
we are seeing major structural changes implemented at a break
necks ace. So you've got all of these moving parts
going on right now and it's a little chaotic. But
to the latest thing that has the let's say endorsers
(14:30):
and supporters of the biopharmaceutical industry having kittenfits right now
is the kind of trial balloons that have been floated
and rumors and surrogates that have said that AHHS is
(14:52):
about to make some major decisions about withdrawing support for
the pediatric and UH pregnant pregnancy recommendations relating to these
m RNA products. I hesitate to call them vaccines as
(15:15):
prophylactics for COVID, when you know, of course COVID now
is pretty much a nothing burder. But they are all
got their tails and twists. And stat News, who basically
is the voice of the Boston biotech biopharmaceutical industry, took
(15:35):
and amplified the Wall Street Journal report of two days ago.
I think it was when they came out with this
exclusive story that has been foreshadowed I think for about
two weeks now, but by Commissioner McCarty and by the
(15:57):
CDC and others that the data aren't there to support
these positions of recommending further inoculations and children and in pregnancy,
which you know, of course, the industry UH strongly denies
that there's abundant data and and but completely denies that
(16:19):
there's any adverse events, despite the literally thousands of peer
reviewed papers documenting those adverse events. But it presses like no, no, no, no, no,
I can't hear that, and it all comes down. I
think that at the end of the day, we posted
a meme on X that is an old one has
a kind of a stylized graphic of a young woman
(16:43):
with short cropped black hair wearing a mask uh, and
written on the mask it says some version of uh,
I'm not ready to accept that everything that I thought
was true was a lie. And that one, that one
is that's the meme that keeps on giving that responses.
(17:06):
But I guess it's got underlying truth. There's still widespread denihilism.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I gotta tell you, Doc, when when you put out
the meme post that that's my favorite aspect, a guy
that has your background, all the patents, all the papers
you've written, all the different places in the agencies around
the world, and then when you.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Put out a meme, it crushes me.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I swear, I laugh for like five minutes straight, and
I've sent it to all my friends and I just
love it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Thank you for that to be so we have to
be happy warriors.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
It's really easy to get discouraged, and I'm I'm so disheartened,
frankly by the bases some of the things that have
been said, including from people I'm not going to name
names that were very close to Bobby in Big supporters,
and they said some really strong, unpleasant words that are
(18:11):
are ill advised. Let's again choosing my words, ill advised
language that always one would expect to hear from the
likes of AOC or Elizabeth Warren. Uh so, uh, you know, guys, everybody,
guys and gals, because we only have two genders on
our side of the street. Guys and gals, just chill
(18:35):
out clearly in case you don't get the memo. As
I put the other day, Hey, politics in DC is
you're dealing with the imperial capital and DC politics are
a blood sport. If you don't believe me, as President Trump, yeah,
(18:56):
quite and uh that's a you know, making light of
that is a little sketchy too. I mean, it was
a horrible thing. But this kind of nitpicking and negativity
and second guessing and armchair quarterbacking recognize police that the
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Secretary and his colleagues that have been confirmed are confronting
an enormous challenge. They are confronting some of the most entrenched,
powerful organizations in the world, and those organizations have deep
(19:46):
connections within the US government and in particular the House
and Senate, but to some extent also the President and
moving the president. You know, I've had I don't know
how many conversations with SEAPAC leadership who I'm good friends with,
and others that have served in Trump won that tried
(20:12):
to coach the president and big donors that tried actively
to coach the president to reconsider his positions on the
Operation Worm speed and the COVID genetic products. And he
(20:37):
hasn't wanted to hear it at all. I think the
booing on the campaign trail caused him to drop that
that thread in his speeches towards the end of the campaign.
But it it's it's certainly the the analysts. I'm sure
(21:01):
we'll be chewing on this UH for the next decade.
But a case can be made that the the reason
why UH President Trump is president and had the majority
that he had was because of this assimilation of the
(21:22):
MAHA structure and electorate that really comes is from the left.
It was a core part of the democratic constituency historically.
These are people that.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
To include Tulsi Gabbard from the intelligence side as well too,
and Bobby Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, that combo unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
And by the way, Tulsi, you have to recognize in
in considering Tulsi UH Bobby has Bob actively pushed her
as the next president after Trump, uh in their barnstorming
tour that they did towards the end of the campaign,
and uh she ah, she still considers herself a candidate.
(22:17):
I'm pretty sure for the next round. So Tulsa versus
jd vance in good news is that at least we
have some depth at the bench. But as opposed to
the other side, that's just off in you know, Peter Panland,
you know, with the lost boys, uh so or girls
(22:39):
or hits or whatever they are, so uh so, this
is you know, President Trump has his own uh political
issues here in terms of maintaining the base. Yes, this
is his last term, so he's technically a lane duck.
(23:02):
But the midterms are going to determine whether any of
these executive orders are sustainable. And people keep, I don't know,
they have some strange mental block to realizing that all
we got with this election was about eighteen months of
(23:26):
oxygen and expending that oxygen on petty nattering, nay bob
stuff when the big, big issues in the big fight
is still in progress and you don't even have confirmation.
(23:49):
The CDC director is just totally kind of productive. I
wish people would just put a core on it, but
you know, it's free speech and it's the Internet. That's
the way things are and are positive. I'm positive that,
you know, as the author of cy war and somebody
(24:10):
who's had to take a deep dive into understanding modern
psychological warfare and the dynamics of the Internet, that there
has the opponents of Secretary Kennedy and the MOHA agenda
(24:31):
have deployed a lot of bots and trollery and chaos
agents into this space to divide the base and to
promote this kind of anger and discord. And if you
don't believe that, you think that's a conspiracy theory, just
(24:56):
take a look at what was revealed after Secretary Kennedy
spoke about removing sodas from the Special Nutrition Assistance Programs
SNAP otherwise known as food stamps, and the soda industry
immediately created just a blizzard of AstroTurf organizations and then
(25:23):
they were dropping literally its document one thousand bucks per
tweet to conservative influencers to write crap about Bobby's very
reasonable determination that the food stamps should not be used
to subsidize toxic foods and candies and sugary sodas. You know,
(25:47):
if somebody wants to go buy full strength of Coca Cola,
including the President, then that's their business. I think that
we should not put restrictions on that, but that taxpayers
should subsidize people to buy toxic foods that are going
(26:10):
to make them more sick and cause them to need
more medical care, which the taxpayers are also going to subsidize.
That doesn't make any sense, and that's transparently the case.
And yet you've got conservative influencers sparking about this because
they're getting thousand bucks a tweet that talking about lack
(26:32):
of integrity, that's that's you know, I as somebody who
now finds himself in this weird world of quote being
an influencer at one point three million Twitter followers and
a total of something like two million across all the platforms,
which isn't huge, but it's nothing either. You know, I'm
(26:55):
very aware that I need to carefully consider my messaging
and maintain my own personal integrity in this. You know,
I don't take money from anything except occasionally. Like for instance,
(27:17):
the other day, I did a deal with the guy
that is marketing the fentanyl test, and that brought in
a total of about two hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah you're rich.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah that'll not even pay one month's hay bill. So
thanks for that. I still think the fentyl issue and
the fentyl test is a great advance, but and the
fednel issue is is super important. But you know, you
can't you can't push the rock up hill. I'm privileged,
(27:57):
blessed by have in about three hundred and fifty thousand
subscribers to our sub stack to get a daily about
right around thirteen thousand of those actually have paid subscriptions.
And what that means is that I have a decentralized
(28:17):
funding base. And if any one of those subscribers gets
pissed off because I used a bad word or something,
and they they decide to cancel their subscription, or more commonly,
they're facing personal financial pressure. That's the usual reason for
canceling is I have a lot of readers. They like
(28:41):
to read, but they tend to be older, and they're
facing a significant financial stress, many of them these days,
and so they need to stop their subscriptions. But those
people set me free to be earnest and honest. But
I also need to continue to act with integrity or
(29:04):
they will leave in drugs.
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Speaker 1 (30:00):
That I've always from the earliest days where you were
doing presentations with doctor Navarro, where you were raising you know,
the alarms that hey, this is.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
This is, this is remember that. And Peter and I
wrote a couple of op eds that you know, got
the press pretty well pissed off because we were saying
that you shouldn't give these products to people that don't
need them.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well, got you kicked off LinkedIn, got you kicked off Twitter,
got you kicked off all those places and got him
eventually and wound up in jail. You know, and you
know when you the one thing that I that really
captured me the most about your lectures as well as
the fascinating details with which you articulate the science behind
(30:54):
all of these technologies and how we're not sure what
the potential long term effects are going to be an
now through people like Ed Dowd and finding out the
insurance quote morbid you know, the morbidity rates and the
explosions and super cantor turbo cancers and all the different
issues and the VARs data.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
We know what you were saying in the beginning, right with.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
That microtitist incident. I mean, think about this, Virtually every
person on the globe has been infected, and a large
fraction of them have experienced brain full Just that alone,
the impact on the cognitive capabilities of the collective world
(31:39):
is profound. And this was an engineered virus.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Well, that's where I want to get to.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
These are the two spots that because you know, coming
from my background and special operations my background in the
intelligence world.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know, I understand bio weapon. I've studied it.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I've had to learn I was a medic, I had
to learn how to treat it, identify, and then at
the agency, obviously I learned a whole other level about
psychological warfare as well too. And that's the thing that
really got me when you started talking about mass formation psychosis.
That was the pivot moment for me because I was like, wait,
(32:18):
here's a scientist. Here's a guy that has been deeply
dedicated in his life to figuring out how to benefit humanity.
And then you moved into the government, did incredible work
within the government in biodefense, research and development. Who's coming
out and saying, listen, you all have essentially been brainwashed.
(32:42):
You need to wake up. You need to realize what's
going on. This is these are the connections, and you
were the first, I believe, the first person with substantial
credibility that was voicing those alarms. My question to you, sir,
is how come even with this You know, the base
(33:04):
and the extension of the Bass with the Maha movement
and Tulsi as it grew, and we certainly saw what
the political tsunami that took place at this fall. You know,
why are there still so many people that don't see
this intricate web that is diabolical in nature and intentionally
(33:28):
trying to craft these very sophisticated narratives that change the
consciousness of the collective.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
So if I can rephrase your question, please, You teed
up massformation, psychosis or massformation the matiast estimate kind of
twenty first century extension of the work upon art Sigmund
Freud all the way back to Plato in the case
(34:01):
and Uh, it was uh, you know, vilified. The You're
familiar with all the the heat that came down on
me and a lot of other people, most here in
North America not familiar with what was deployed against Mattias Uh,
including in his own university. Uh. He he was not
(34:24):
able to teach his own book.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It's it's uh. And and we even had we had
an American uh psychiatrist uh attacking him constantly uh uh
and in making false claims that he had enabled uh
(34:48):
a predator to uh in in a hospital situation to
kill patients. Uh. And you know, just all kinds of
ugly stuff. But but Mattias was speaking about, and that
I did my best to responsibly uh communicate to a
(35:11):
broader audience and to accurately represent the logic that he
had built, which kind of starts on a foundation of
social fragmentation as a thing that enabled that process to occur.
And by the way, ties back to the effects of hyperinflation,
(35:33):
which also fragments societies and has uh you know, it
was historically kind of the roots of of what happened
in the Weimar Republic transition to national socialism uh orgo
Nazis uh, and and that that hyperinflation has always historically
(35:57):
been behind a lot of these transition moments where the
population basically loses its mind and and undergoes one of
these events. And by the way, the term mass formation
that seems a little bit odd uh to uh English
(36:19):
speaking ears mass formation, It doesn't doesn't fit with our
use of the language. And the reason for that is
because it's translated from the Dutch, and it's kind of
a little bit of a mistranslation because that's where he writes,
that's his native language, and what he's really talking about
(36:39):
is the madness of crowds, which we all understand. I mean,
that's that's the you know, pitchforks and fire portrayed in
in Frankenstein.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Or on a positive psychology perspective, it's concerts, right, the
the euphoria that an entire.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Group of people can feel listening to.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Music, good, good, good example. So these crowd uh phenomena
uh that are are well and well known, uh, not
completely well understood psychologically in all the pushback that, well,
the DSM doesn't describe mass information psychosis, therefore it's just
a conspiracy theory. Well, the Diagnostic Statistics Manual of the
(37:21):
American Psychiatric Association of it is e p A, focuses
on individuals. It doesn't really speak to crowd based phenomena.
So that's a non secular So but under that, you're you're,
you're touching on this long standing observation, uh that For instance,
(37:45):
there's a there's an interview in Black and White from
Aldus Huxley in the early sixties in which he speaks
basically in defense of propaganda and in the context of
the British government, basically making the case that without propaganda,
governments can't operate, that they have to use these tools
(38:09):
in order to manage the population, you know, which libertarians,
you know, drives them up.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Dave Smith and Scott Horton go through the roof with that,
don't they.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
But that's the logic, right, And so he despite a
brave New world in his mentorship of George Orwell, famous
for nineteen eighty or an Animal Farm, he was a
defender in many ways, and his brother was seminole in
the development of the UN Charter and a lot of
(38:44):
this globalist logic that we are confronted with all the time.
But he makes the case in that interview that about
twenty percent of a population are highly suggestible will basically
follow authority figures that in others make the connection that
(39:08):
the same fraction of the population has the characteristic that
they're readily hypnotized, so they're highly suggested, and about twenty
percent of the population are highly not suggestible people. And
why that is is still a mystery, you know, Is
it childhood experiences? Is genetics? Is all the above? Who knows?
(39:30):
But there are those and perhaps you and I are
in that group of the centers that aren't so easily.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I do have to admit, though, Doc, when I went
through training, I was all in.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I drank the kool aid as much as you could
drink the kool aid.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
And that's right, that's good to own that. So yeah,
and by the way, that's a fundamental aspect of medical training.
People are all perplexed by why the doc bucks we're
all in harmony supporting the narrative. Well, you can't get
through medical school unless you become very adept at assimilating
(40:12):
and regurgitating whatever authority figures tell you. That is the
essence of medical training these days.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's why I love Casey Means and what she's doing
out there, you know, is speaking you know, the most
profound truth to that coming out of Harvard and the
level with which she was operating. I mean, that's why
it's so beautiful that now she does get into this
role that you had said, hopefully gets into this role
(40:40):
and takes it runs with it.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
You know that you had.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Said before was this muted role, but now like it
can become. It's really like the spokesperson of the United States,
right for.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It is fully for the Public Health Service, and she
would have typically a rank of admiral, but not commander
of the Seas. But yeah, yeah, some you know, the
Public Health Services structured it basically is outgrowth of the navy,
and so they basically wear naval tropical uniforms and have
(41:17):
assigned ranks as if they were naval officers. But I
guarantee getting to be captain or admiral in the Navy
is a whole different thing from being captain admiral in
but neverthe best.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
So sorry to distract on your point.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Twenty percent are just tell me what to do it
I'll do it. Twenty percent are tell me what to do,
and I'll tell you to go straight to hell. And
the rest are basically whichever way the wind seems to
be blowing. So those are the persuadable middle and they're
the only ones that matter, by the way, politically. UH
(42:00):
and and so UH, you're asking the question, it's been
a long time getting back to your question. You're asking
the question, UH, why is it that we're still seeing
UH such a large fraction of the population unwilling to
question the dominant UH narrative that was so aggressively promoted
(42:27):
and deployed during the COVID crisis, including these UH phrases
that are used as part of neurolinguistic programming, such as
safe and effective UH. And they're still being used. Uh
in although U S A I. D is mostly gutted,
(42:51):
but those programs are still in you know, uh.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Capitalist in the budget.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah exactly so, Uh, it's people, people that are in
the base, let's say, don't don't recognize that they are
still a minority opinion. This is so. I wrote a
(43:18):
essay a few days ago about the Splinternet and the
Balkanization of Uh. It's really the entire knowledge and information space, uh,
referring to the Balkans in Europe that became very separated
and isolated from each other economically, and that led to
(43:40):
some political and economic problems in Europe historically. So the
Balkans and Balconization becomes a metaphor for when things get fragmented.
And the Internet is absolutely getting fragmented, hence the new
term the Splinternet. And it's getting fragmented in some ways
in an unavoidable process. For instance, you know, we've long
(44:04):
known that China was controlling what was available to their
population because they knew that if they had a fully
open Worldwide Web access, then their population would be exposed
to ideas that they don't want to be to be
exposed to in information they don't want, well, the United
(44:24):
States doesn't want us exposed to information from China, Russia
being you know, it's almost a direct crime to have
been employed by Russia Times at this point, you know what,
most of the world considers far more credible than CNN
(44:46):
as a news source. But if you were an American
that ever worked for Russia Times, you can forget about
having a serious position with any administration or any news
service now. And uh, there's a good probability that you're
going to find yourself under investigation by the FBI if
nothing else. So we do it, they do it. And
(45:11):
now we have things like the digital information restrictions in
Europe that are imposing major finds on social media companies,
you know, as a fraction of their revenue if they
don't restrict the forms of speech and the and the
(45:36):
topic areas that the European Union doesn't want discussed and
and so then the only way to maintain even if
we want to have an open Internet in the United States,
we're basically going to have to set up firewalls because Twitter,
you know, Twitter or Facebook or whatever you think about that, Uh,
(46:00):
all these entities that are major notes. You know that
another little sorry I'm jumping around. But the folks that
haven't studied the scalability issues with the Internet don't realize
that the entire Internet could be taken down by taking
out something like little less than one percent of all
the nodes, because it's all these major nodes like Google
(46:24):
that control it all. It's all because of the kind
of organic, decentralized structure. You have these major nodes and
they basically structure the entire Internet organically, and they can't
operate in an open environment if they're going to get fined,
(46:45):
you know, five or ten percent of their revenue. Because
doctor Malone says that Ursula Vondelion is lying right repeatedly. Yeah,
so as a threat to democracy. So we're going to
have to set up firewalls in the United States and
(47:08):
hopefully we have an open Internet in the United States.
And then, as if that isn't bad enough, we have
the kind of organic segregation and parsing into communities. That's
another major factor of this Internet, so that we're all
we ourself and the algorithms are reinforcing that we're self
segregating into little pockets. And this is what gets back
(47:32):
to the point that the base, which the MA base,
which represents one of those segregated pockets, thinks that because
they're only talking to themselves, they think that they represent
a majority opinion, and they don't realize that they're still
in the minority. That these positions like that the job
(47:54):
should be withdrawn from the market that I advocated with
other physicians in a press conference broadcast and recorded at
del Big Tree Studio down in Texas about three years ago.
That's still a minority opinion, and it can't break out
because of the organic boundaries that exist within the Splinternet
(48:18):
and because of things like small rooming that's happening, which
is that I may have one point three million followers
technically on Twitter but or x, but the truth is
that my messaging is only allowed to go out to
(48:40):
a small subset of those right even though the other
ones are subscribing. And so I end up feeling thinking
that I'm talking to a broader audience, when in fact
I'm just in the same yet coach chamber. And that's
true for everybody in this space. So they think that
the world is aligned with them because they're only talking
(49:04):
to people that are like them. And uh so that now,
now Bobby H had been existing in that space Children's
health defense. Uh and and the things, the audience that
it speaks to, which is actually fairly modest, was where
(49:29):
he lived and the and until he broke out of
the framing, out of the Overton window that was structured
around him that he's an anti vaxxer by assimilating, no,
I'm I'm pro health. Uh and I'm particularly pro children's health.
(49:52):
Uh And the vaccine issue is just one aspect of
my being pro health. Floride is another one. Uh dies
in foods or another one, et cetera, et cetera. Then
he was able to break out of that and and
reach the granola head tree hugger uh pits off moms right,
(50:12):
uh and and uh so the rest is history. But uh,
now he is running the largest division of the US
federal government by budget, bigger than the d O D
(50:34):
at least the what is the budget for HHS? I
don't know. I can't, I don't have that in my brain.
But but it's it's officially because because of basically because
of doctor Oz's portfolio Medicare, Medicaid, right. But uh, but
it's massive and he now has to I'm referring to
(50:57):
Bobby has to represent and operate uh in the interests
of the entire nation. Uh. He no longer has the
latitude to just speak to uh the true believers. Uh.
And that's the base doesn't seem to understand that, right,
(51:19):
that that he is operating in a totally different battlefield now,
Uh and uh and up against as I said before,
the most powerful organizations in the world, Big finance, UH,
Wall Street, big pharm, A big Egg, big food. I
(51:43):
mean this is this is uh, you know, this is
the big leagues, boys and girls. Uh, this is so
much more than just vaccines that he's having to grapple with. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I love how you frame it in that context, or
you know, as like you and you keep coming back
to that fight. Right, And I'm I'm hearing it from
my friends that are high up at d O D
what you know, Pete Hagseith is having to do with
deal with Right, I'm I'm hearing inclinations of it within
the intelligence community. Right, and how entrenched you know, how
(52:18):
difficult it is with Radcliffe and and everybody doing that
same thing. If if if.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Has got the tire by the tail and the and
where the rubber hits the road. Not to make too
many metaphors, there is uh the investigation of viral origins.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yes, yep, yeah, and I And it's interesting as you
depict the magnitude of all of these things together and
hopefully the audience is allowing themselves to make those connections, right, because.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Well that's what happens, right.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
People's minds blow and then are all of a sudden
the wheat everything I thought I knew might not be true?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
And then what do I do now?
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (53:07):
How do I stay positive? How do I.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
How do you stay a happy warrior?
Speaker 4 (53:13):
You remember Ronald Reagan? Okay, never forget Ronald Reagan. It's
morning in America. Be a happy warrior. Do not be
one of these you know, down Debbie Downer. The sky
is falling, Henny Penny.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
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Speaker 2 (53:49):
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Speaker 1 (53:54):
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Speaker 2 (53:59):
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Speaker 1 (54:01):
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Speaker 2 (54:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Do you think that that's that's if you were to
be able to get If if if Bobby Junior called
you tomorrow said doctor Malone, I want you to come in.
I want you to be one of my advisors.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
What are what are this?
Speaker 2 (54:39):
How are you going to attack this system?
Speaker 1 (54:42):
This this you know, this multi headed system from from
the scientific community. How do you begin to break apart
or at least at that core point? What do you
advise him to do?
Speaker 3 (54:59):
If had made that call, and if I was in
the progress of being vetted for something like that, I
would have to deny it. Wow, because that's the doose
are the rules in the Trump administration? Is the fastest
way to find yourself not appointed is to announce your
(55:22):
appointment got it prematurely, and a number have fallen a
foul of that, including unfortunately the people that were initially
considered for USDA right, a congressman that I strongly support,
(55:46):
in a farmer that I strongly supported. It's just unfortunate.
I've seen it again and again. So if if something
like that theoretical uh was to happen, I would find
myself in a position where I'm one voice in the
context of a massive bureaucracy with all kinds of competing interests.
(56:12):
So the best I could hope to do would be
to use the term nudge at the margins and what
I think. So my position on all of this has
been all the way through. If called to serve my country,
I will do so to the best of my ability.
(56:33):
But I do not seek an appointment. There are I
think there are places where I can be useful, and
there are other places that I might be useful, but
I don't want and that that don't want. Part is
I know enough about what it would be like to
have an administrative slot that I have absolutely no interest
(56:55):
in such full stop.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Up roger that all right, noted, all right, the last little.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
Bit, But in terms of of policy positions where I
can be used effectively here, UH is UH coming from
two places, and I've spoken to Heritage about this. In theory,
(57:25):
I'm supposed I need to get back to them. Ah,
I would I would love to be involved in rethinking
the Van of R. Bush underlying assumptions that have guided
the structure of the entire federal R and D enterprise.
Van of our Bush for those that are you know,
look it up on Google. Van of R. Bush was
(57:50):
a key figure in UH the Manhattan Project structure and
operations UH and is a name that's not often mentioned.
And then post war he was tasked with basically taking
the lessons learned and applying it first within D O, D,
(58:12):
R and D and then in a broader sense across
the federal government. And the structure that he set up
worked extremely well, but it's being compromised. Over time, a
lot of people have figured out how to work around
things and manipulate things and create these little victims. Like
Tony Fauci kind of personifies these little mafias, and that
(58:35):
someone needs to take a good, hard, long look at
that structure and update it in light of artificial intelligence
and all the modern capabilities that we have.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Well for me that I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
I'm also potentially useful as a subject matter expert in
things relating to gene therapy, genetic delivery technologies, vaccines, and
general regulatory affairs platform technologies. There's a outstanding congressionally mandated
new FDA guidance relating to platform technologies, potentially assisting in
(59:18):
various ways the advisory boards, the Vaccine and Related Biologics
Advisory Committee and the ACIP Advisory Committee, and organization practices
at the CDC. So my business before all this, and
one of the reasons why I was comfortable being a
(59:40):
you call it whistleblower or a truth teller or whatever
is that that has been my business is I've basically
been a coach to the C suite for years because
I could be reliably assumed to provide an independent assessment
(01:00:01):
of risks and opportunities to executives that are typically surrounded
by sick fans. So that's kind of in my brand,
and so it wasn't that much of a stretch to
kind of do that on a bigger scale. But I can,
I can be helpful to assistant secretaries, directors on kind
(01:00:27):
of an ad hoc basis to assist them in determining
what their options are, exploring those options, and that's I
think those are ways that I could be useful to
Secretary Kennedy, including serving as a sounding board to the
Secretary should he wish.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
That answer was exactly what I was hoping that you
would say for me. Obviously, the greatest fear that I
have is.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
That this whole.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Idea of what whether it's coming from the w h
O and and they're crazy true treaty they were trying
to get past in April, whether last and last year
as well.
Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
The way is coming up for a vote and they're
still jamming it through. They've kind of dialed back on
some of the rhetoric, but it's still there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Do you want to talk a little bit about that
at all? Or is that too that that's a lot
to get.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
In They've so I this is this has come at
us in two packages, the International Health Regulations, which they
jammed through modifications on basically by violating their own rules
and protocols. And Tedros is the guy that is what
(01:01:53):
was the what was the rallying cry, I'm in the
prior campaign, I'm not encumbered by what has been. Oh
my god, tedros seems to be a true believer in
not being encumbered by what has been. Uh and and.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
He's the embodiment of that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yeah, he kind of is. And uh uh you know,
with the full backing of Bill Gates and the WEF
and I'm so so he jammed this through basically by
violating all the rules in kind of a after dinner
(01:02:33):
lightning strike on the last day. That's the International Health
Regulations where a lot of the delegates weren't even present
to vote on it. And it's another one of those
things like the way Congress passes the budget. You know,
they drop it on your desk and say vote no,
you don't have time to read it. That's pretty much
(01:02:58):
the new model governance.
Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
New I think we're going on like thirty.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Years of that doc. Yeah, well they've they've refined it
to a fine art and Ted Rose is a true
believer in that. And then so then the next one,
the other part of the package was the pandemic treat
and they're no longer calling it a treaty. They've tried
to dial back on some of the wording. They're banking
(01:03:24):
it less proscriptive, but it's still getting jammed through and
it's going to come up for a vote. But I'm
not clear whether the US so in the prior in
the Biden administration. Biden administration didn't even bother to appoint
somebody to the basically Board of Directors of the World
(01:03:48):
Health Organization representing the United States. And given that President
Trump's position as we're getting out of this, thank you
very much, I doubt that he has appointed somebody for
that's that was actually a slot that I personally volunteered.
I'd say, I like this job because I would love
to be sitting there turning the screws on them, on
(01:04:12):
behalf of the United States as we cancel our obligations.
But you know, if wishes were fishes, we would all
be there would be no beggars. So that didn't happen.
So it's it's I'm sure that they're going to vote
in some pseudo treaty and we're basically gonna save at
(01:04:37):
least I hope.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
So from your lips to his ears right, you know,
along those lines, I think for me, you know, we
have all of these let's call them stakeholders around the world,
who are all you know out there pontificating about, oh,
the next one is gonna be the big one, the
next one.
Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
All that existential fear that's you're going to die, You're
going to.
Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Die, conditioning, that conditioning.
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
And so for me, you know that that ability for
you to be uh, you know that that you.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Know, really powerful guide to this.
Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
You know, if if that should happen, and you know,
if if you're listening, you know, don't be afraid to
call your local congressman or call HHS and and advocate
for doctor Malone to at least you know, be consultant
on all this, all these things. But for for me,
it's really about you know, bio weapons research, uh, which
(01:05:41):
I believe is ultimately the core of what we're dealing
with right now. And so you know, my my last
kind of you know, spectrum of of your analysis that
I would love you to, you know, share with us
is where are we right now in terms of gain
of function and in terms of the NGOs that we're
outsourcing it where it's been outsources.
Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
You know, where are we now?
Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
And what does the current battle space of bio weapons
research and development look like? And what would you see
like to see happen in the next, you know, six
months with that. Well, if you're anything like me, during
(01:06:27):
that interview, my mind was blown.
Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Doctor Robert Malone is truly.
Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
An expert when it comes to all things relative to
the COVID nineteen pandemic, the lead up to it, the
generation of the mRNA vaccines. He was one of the
original inventors of the technology, as well as so much
more in terms of mass formation, psychosis, the government's role
(01:06:56):
in all this.
Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I understand it was.
Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
It's a lot to process, says, but stand by to
stand by because part two is coming up. Please join
us again during that episode where doctor Robert Malone is
going to dig into bioweapons research, bioweapons proliferation, and what
he feels the United States needs to embark on next.
(01:07:19):
So don't miss part two of my interview with doctor
Robert Malone.
Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Thank you very much.
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