May 21, 2025 • 39 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerhouse segment packed with legal insights, political analysis, and cultural commentary. The hour kicks off with a compelling interview featuring Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz, who discusses his new book, The Preventive State: The Challenge of Preventing Serious Harms While Preserving Essential Liberties. Dershowitz explores the legal and constitutional implications of preventive measures like deportation, critiques the ACLU’s partisan shift, and reflects on his own political evolution from a lifelong Democrat to an independent constitutional libertarian.
The conversation dives into the Sean “Diddy” Combs sex trafficking case, where Dershowitz predicts a likely conviction that could be overturned on appeal due to prejudicial evidence—drawing parallels to the overturned Harvey Weinstein conviction. He also weighs in on President Biden’s cognitive fitness, the media’s role in covering it up, and the potential legal ramifications of decisions made during his presidency, including the use of the 25th Amendment and presidential pardons.
The hour continues with an interview with Maine State Representative Laurel Libby, who recently won a Supreme Court ruling restoring her right to vote in the legislature after being censured for opposing biological males competing in girls’ sports. Libby discusses the political fallout in Maine, the narrow Democratic majority, and the broader implications for free speech, women's sports, and democratic representation.
Clay and Buck also touch on the media hypocrisy surrounding President Biden’s mental acuity, highlighting recent critiques from figures like Chris Cuomo and John Stewart, and mocking the legacy media’s delayed acknowledgment of Biden’s decline. The hosts close the hour with a humorous take on Katie Couric’s media presence, Don Lemon’s failed post-CNN ventures, and a preview of an upcoming segment analyzing Abraham Lincoln’s habeas corpus decision in the context of modern immigration policy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Right, the third hour of Play and Buck kicks off.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We are joined by Harvard Law professor emeritus and best
selling author Alan Dershowitz. He's got a new book out
released just yesterday, The Preventive State, The Challenge of preventing
serious harms while preserving essential liberties. Go get your copy,
read it on the beach. You'll impress everybody who sees
you with how smart you are. Professor Dershowitz. Good to
(00:38):
have you on.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hey, it's great to be on. It's a very topical
book because it deals with all the preventive mechanisms that
we use to try to stop crying from occurring, like deportation. Also,
Meg Ye.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I was gonna jump right into that. I mean, tell
us about tell us about the deportation piece, and how
you think the administration is doing on the legal front there.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Well, you know, deport is one of the oldest forms
of prevention known to humankind. That used to be called exile.
If we were afraid of somebody, we would exile them
and make them leave the country. And so we're using
that now as a mechanism of prevention, and I would
say that I would give a split verdict to the administration.
They're doing the right things substively, that is, they're trying
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to throw the right people out. They're trying to make
sure that we're not subject to crime by gang members.
On the other hand, they're not doing such a great
job on due process. And the Supreme Court has basically
come down with split decisions. They basically said, look, the
president has the authority to decide who's in the country
and who's not in the country, but he has to
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cross every constitutional t and dot every constitutional ie. And
so the courts have struck back on some of the
mechanisms that are being used, but they said it's okay
to use deportation as a method of crime prevention.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Talking to Alan Derschwitz, you and I have tried a
similar path where I voted Democrat and then Democrats I
started to see losing their mind, and I have changed
how I voted. I'm curious for you. You're You've had
a longer career in the law than I have by
by far, and a much more successful one. But I'm
(02:18):
also a lawyer. When did in your mind it go
from a quote unquote traditionally liberal perspective to stand, for instance,
for First Amendment, free speech, for basic principles of fairness,
and turn into more of a conservative one. Do you
remember a point in time when you looked around and said, boy,
(02:40):
the ACLU isn't the ACLU that I grew up supporting.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well supporting. I was on the national board. I was
the youngest person on the national voard of the ACOU.
I spent years supporting the a CEO you. I worked
with the ACO you to defend the rights of Nazis
to march in Skokie, Illinois. I defended people on de
I throw as an ACO you lawyer. I won't give
a nickel to the ACO you. And I call the
ACO YOU the Anti Civil Liberties Union. They have become
(03:08):
completely partisan in political Once every two years they represent
a Nazi in order to show that they're still civil libertarians.
But the vast, vast majority of their work is on progressive, woke,
left wing causes. And you know, they've become kind of
(03:29):
a leader in the weaponization of the legal system against
Donald Trump, against Republicans, against Conservatives, against Christians, And so
I'm totally contemptuous. You know it's interesting. I've devoted my
whole life to human rights, civil liberties, and civil rights.
I now see something that s marks civil liberty, civil rights,
human rights, I throw in the garbage pail because I
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know it's going to be on the wrong side of everything. Today.
Human rights has just turned against Israel, against the United States,
against Christianity, against decency, and so I have no support
for those concepts anymore. They've been hijacked, they've been taken away.
And I'm still a civil limitarian. And you know, I
described myself as a constitutional libertarian, but as well as
(04:17):
a meritocratic egalitarian and a constructive contrarian. So I haven't changed.
But like Ronald Reagan said, the Democrats have left me.
I left the Democratic Party hours after the Democratic Convention
this year when I saw that they were picking one
after the other progressive, anti liberal speakers, anti israel speakers,
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sometimes anti Semitic speakers, and the Republicans were doing a
better job and preserving liberty and democracy and freedom of speech.
I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent, but I'm not
a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
How'd you vote?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I can't say, because I you know, I love sleeping
with my wife, and you know she has made me
sworn me to secrecy. I can tell you this. I
voted for Biden and I for Hillary Clinton. But I'm
not going to disclose how I voted in the last
in the last election, and.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Or how I would vote.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
In the next election. But I have been supportive of
many of the things that Trump has done, just as
I was supportive of many of the things that previous
presidents have done well at the same time being critical
of many of the things. And deportation is one of
the things I'm concerned about. I'm also concerned that that
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Donald Trump may abandoned Israel. That's been a concern for me.
And is he going to allow Israel to protect itself
against the potentional nuclear Iran? I don't know the answer
to that question. In my book, To Prevent a State,
I spend a lot of time on the Iran issue
because that's the personification of preventive attack. I used the
(06:05):
example of Nazi Germany in nineteen thirty five, when Britain
and France could have destroyed Nazi Germany before it was
capable of destroying all of Europe and killing fifty million people,
and they didn't do it because they didn't take it
was seriously and you know, peace in our time, Chamberlain,
and that enabled Hitler to kill fifty million people. Had
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they attacked, they would have you know, killed fifteen fifteen
thousand people with twenty thousand people, and they would have
defeated Nazi Germany. But you know they were. History is
blind to the future, and we just don't know at
that time. We didn't know what we were stopping. And
so I spend time in my book on that as well.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The preventive state, the challenge of preventing serious harms while
preserving essential liberties. Professor Dershweriz's book just came out yesterday,
And Professor Derschwitz, if I could draw upon your time
as a criminal defense attorney, I know you're not on
this case, that would be interesting. You're not on this case,
but I'm sure you've been following it and seeing in
the headlines. What is your just overall sense as to
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the likely outcome to the degree you can see it
this early on in the case, or perhaps the pitfalls
for either the defense or the prosecution. In the Sean
Combs aka puff Daddy aka p Diddy Sex trafficking case
that's getting a lot of attention to headlines given how
high profile mister Combs is.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
If I had to make a prediction, I would predicted
he'd get convicted, and that his conviction would have reversed
on appeal. I don't understand how a jury should be
able to see that horrible video of him kicking and
beating up his girlfriend in the whole way of the hotel.
That's not what he's charged with. He's charged with running,
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you know, a Rico enterprise, and that tape is so
done prejudice you can't get it out of your head.
As soon as you see that tape and say to yourself,
I want to convict the son of a bitch. And
so I think it will be reversed on appeal. But
it's very hard to believe that a jury won't find
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his conduct.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
But why do you think Professor Drisch would selina it
so clearly you're I mean, the guy's a mind. The
guy's a bad guy. I mean everyone, there's no right
he's not on trial for being a good guy or
a bad guy. He's a bad guy. That's very clear.
And I think even the defense isn't really contesting that.
But as a matter of law, why would you how
would you see it? Perhaps, and again I know you're
we're asking you to sort of see into the future,
(08:37):
which is tough, But how would you see it being overturned?
If let's say the jury does what you think, why
would you think then that it might be overturned on.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Appeal for the same reason that the Harvey Weinstein New
York conviction was overturned, And that is the admissibility of
prejudicial material that swayed the jury to convict even though
the element of the crime and the elements of RICO
are very tough to establish, and the elements of you know,
conducting sex trafficking business. So that would be the grounds
(09:11):
for reversal that evidence came in that should never have
been seen by the jury.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
All right, let me go back to your experience, and
you're staying committed to principal aclu and everything else we
talked earlier on this program. As suddenly, Jake Tapper writes
a book and says, boy, we could have never known
that Joe Biden wasn't mentally or physically competent for the job.
And the New York Times and the Washington Post write
(09:37):
editorial saying, boy, you know, somebody really should have said
something about the state that Biden was in, and you know,
the media ostensibly does exist to speak truth to power.
They wrote democracy dies in darkness at the top of
the Washington Post. You are steeped in liberal circles, where
you hang out, where you live. What are people who
(09:58):
read The New York Times and watch MSNBC. What are
they saying in conversations that you hear. Do they feel
as if they have been lied to? Or are they
so convinced that Trump is hitler that they don't even
care if they're being lied to because it's a price
worth paying. What do you hear?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's the latter. In private, they're praising people who lied,
and they wish the lie had been successful and that
bike would have been allowed to run, because many of
them think that Biden would have snuck past the finish
line because he's more likable than Kamila Harris. I don't
know whether that's true or not. I'm not a polster,
(10:38):
but I can only tell you that people on the
MS on that side, the New York Times, CNM, MSNBC side,
they don't care about lying. They would have been very
happy if they have been a complete, in total and
successful cover up in order to defeat Trump, and then
Biden would be president for a couple of months, and
(10:59):
then he'd have to office, either through the twenty fifth
Amendment or by resignation, and then we'd have keml Arris's president.
That's what the Martha's Vineyard crowd is objecting to, not
that they were denied the truth, but that they didn't
do a good enough job in covering up the truth.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Let me ask you this too, given that I think
anybody who's the rational, reasonable person would acknowledge that Biden
was not mentally or physically capable of being president in
the United States, do you, as a warrior, believe there
is any value in challenging some of the decisions made
by Biden, for instance, this big pardon expansive pardons that
(11:40):
he gave at the end of his tenure based on
his mind not being capable of entering into the decisions
that were being made. Is there any legal ground there
in your mind to challenge these things.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I don't think so, because then you'd have to challenge
probably some of the things at the end of the
Reagan of presidency maybe the Roosevelt presidency, certainly the Widregal
Wilson presidency. You know, there if in fact Biden didn't
know that things were being signed for him by the
use of the auto pen, that might pose an interesting challenge.
(12:17):
It would have to be something that was constitutionally required
to be signed, like a law. Pardons, for example, don't
have to be signed. You can just give an oral pardon.
But for a law to be valid, it has to
be the sign of vetoed by the president. And if
it could be demonstrated that Biden didn't really know and
that he was he had authorized somebody else to do
(12:38):
the signing, that could raise could raise problems. You know,
in some respects all of this goes back to prevention,
because what is the twenty fifth Amendment all about. It's
all about trying to prevent a non qualified president from
having access to the nuclear trigger. And you know, we
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we do so many things preventively in order to assure
that greater dangers don't exist, and we have to make
sure that when we do it, we do it according
to due process. And that's the crisis we're in now.
We're not in a constitutional crisis. We're in a political
crisis and a constitutional conflict, and the Constitution is so
(13:22):
far figured out ways of getting resolving these issues, and
so I'm not worried as long as President Trump says
and really does not in any way violate a Supreme
Court order and we're not in a crisis.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Last question for you quickly here because we've got to
get to a break. But you talked about your experience
with Trump and being of the opinion that he's better
on Israel issues than certainly Democrats have been based on
the platform they put forward in the DNC two parter.
Do you hear a lot of Jewish people out there
acknowledging that Trump has been very good on Israel? And
(14:00):
the second part of that, do people say, Hey, you
can criticize him for a lot, but the idea that
he's Hitler is absolutely insane. I'm talking Jewish voters in particular.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
No, I wish they were more sensible Jewish voters, but
there are a lot of Jewish voters who don't believe
he's supportive of Israel. Can't find you know, these are
people who are afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome. Some of
them also have BB derangement syndrome. And you know, neither
not who. No Trump can do anything right, and so
if he's supportive of Israel, it must be for in
(14:34):
an effort to get a plane from Qatar. If he's
against people on campus who are anti Semits or anti Israel,
has nothing to do with anti Semitism. It has to
do that he doesn't like universities unless you are in
some of these radical, progressive, woke left wing circles. It
is impossible to understand the depths. I mean, they think
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it's an insult to Hitler, say that Trump Hitler. They
think he's worse. I mean, these people just have no
limit to what And by the way, I know people
in Israel have the same attitude to nat. They cannot
be rational about those subjects. And it's too bad because
(15:19):
you know, in both cases not to know and Trump
have done many good things, and I've done some things
that are subject to criticism, and people should have a
nuanced view, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Alan Dershowitz appreciate the time, sir book is out. The
preventative state, the challenge of preventing serious harms while preserving
essential liberties. We appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Sir, thank you so much. Be well.
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Speaker 1 (19:21):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck, Sexton show. Hope all
of you are having a fabulous Wednesday. We are joined
now by a woman who had to go all the
way to the Supreme Court to be able to speak
and vote in the main legislature. She is Laurel Libby.
And for those of you who don't know, I want
(19:42):
to give a quick background and you can correct me
if I'm wrong on any of this. Laurel, and thanks
for coming on with us. You spoke out against men
being able to win women's championships in Maine, something that
I would imagine the vast, vast majority of people in Maine,
certainly almost everyone listening to to us in Maine right
now would agree with, but the vast majority of people
(20:03):
in general. You were then censored because you refuse to
apologize for this. They would not allow you to vote
to represent your constituents in Maine. You went to the
Supreme Court and the Supreme Court yesterday and a seven
to two ruling said, the main legislature has to allow
you to do your job on behalf of your constituents.
(20:24):
Have I got that right? Can you believe that all
this has actually happened?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That is a very concise yet accurate summary, I would
have to say, And no, it is kind of It's
pretty unbelievable when when you say it like that, remarkable
that a majority party would try to silence a member
of the minority party and take my constituents vote away.
It's astounding the defenders of democracy at work.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
What exactly is there? And Laurel, appreciate you being with
us and thank you for doing what you've been doing
standing for what is I think obvious obvious truth in
this matter. But just so I'm clear on this, Clay's
been following this story very closely. What is their rationale
for silencing you? Like what you know? I understand you've
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gone against the narrative, but officially speaking, on what grounds
are they doing this?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Well, they don't really have good grounds to do this.
First of all, I even't broken the law. I didn't
do anything even against our rules, which they're claiming that
I did. What I did was from the privacy of
my own home. I made a Facebook post and stood
side by side of a biological male participating in the
pole vault winning fifth place at a regional meet last year,
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and then nag the girls state championship this year. And
you know, they say a picture speaks a thousand words,
and this did. And so the excuse that they came
up with was that this was a photo of a minor.
And I'll just remind folks that when you win a
state championship, you have to expect your photo is going
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to be out there. And indeed, these were publicly shared
photos that were public before I shared them. But that's
the grounds that the Democrats are trying to stretch to
to say that this was should not have been posted,
and we use that to make their unconstitutional censer and
say that I'm not allowed to represent my constituents.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So you're still not allowed to speak on the floor
of the state House. Is this true? In other words,
while you're allowed to vote, you aren't allowed to make
arguments about how you were voting.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
That is entirely accurate and it's just as ludicrous as
it sounds. So I will be allowed to vote now,
but I will not be allowed to speak as the
case makes its way through the courts. Of course, being
able to vote on behalf of my constituents that is
the most important piece, and that's how my constituents had
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been disenfranchised with not having a vote on the legislation.
And so that's what we requested from the Supreme Court
in our emergency application, was to have the ability to
vote on behalf of my constituents. And on June fifth,
will be heard in the First Circuit Court of Appeals
regarding the full case, and that includes getting my voice back.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Okay, So this is just bonkers to me that this
could become an issue in any state. But if it
became an issue, let's say in Illinois, or in Vermont,
or in California, states that are overwhelmingly Democrat, that might
make a little bit more sense. But Trump won one
of the congressional districts in your state. The state was
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decided by seven points overall. What percentage of main residents
do you think agree with the argument that you are making.
What do you hear when you go out and about
in the state.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Well, when I talk to folks, it's clear that the
polling that demonstrates two thirds of manors don't believe that
biological mail should be participating in girls sports is extremely accurate.
But I have to tell you, you know, the numbers are
even more startling than you may realize. Of course, the
breakdown by congressional district is impressive, but when you get
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to actually how much the Democrats won the House majority
by in our state of one point three million people,
they only won the majority by sixty votes across the
entire state. So they're ruling with an iron fist here
and making these unconstitutional moves when they only hold the
majority by.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Sixty votes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Do you think, Laurel, there's going to be any political
blowback on the Democrats? You know, I don't mean news
cycle blowback, right, I mean you know the next election cycle.
Is this the kind of thing that by the way,
Maynors is.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
That right, Maynors?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
You got it?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Mayners just making sure Maynors they see and they realize, Wow,
the Democrats in our state have lost their minds. You know,
what's your sense of that?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
You know, as I talk with folks, it does seem
apparent to everyone but Augusta Democrats that they have lost
their minds. And I say Augusta Democrats because this goes
across party lines. There are plenty of Democrats out and
about in Maine who think it's insanity to allow biological
males to compete in girls' sports. And they also think
it's insanity to unconstitutionally bar a sitting legislator from voting
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on behalf of her district. So the folks who are
in power in Augusta are way out on a limb here.
It is not a representative of your average manor that
doesn't agree with them.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So obviously you have coming up in May next year
a big Senate race. Susan Collins, Republican, is going to
be up for reelection. I believe I'm correct in this.
You can correct me if I'm wrong. And that is
massive because Republicans have a fifty three to forty seven
and Susan Collins one of the rare members of the
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Senate who is representing a state that voted differently in
the presidential race. In other words, cross party. Am I
crazy or does this have to be a fairly significant
issue statewide? In that race based on what the Democrats
in the legislature have done to you.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I certainly hope this has significant influence in the twenty
twenty sixth election. Of course, we do have Senator Collins reelection.
She is the last Republican Senator in New England, which
is pretty remarkable. In addition, we also have a gubernatorial race.
We have of course the congressional CD one and CD two,
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and we also have the full legislature every two years,
House and Senate up for a vote. And so you know,
I hope that this does come back to bite the
Democrats next year, and I certainly will be working very
hard to ensure that it does.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Laurel appreciates you standing strong on this issue, and as
you continue to do just that, we'll have you back
on the show. Make sure everybody knows about you're doing
up in Maine. Beautiful along the coast. I hear maners
have some great stuff up there.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Stand scoregeous throughout.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We were rolling through
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big news stories out there, and we have had a
heck of a time breaking them all down for you.
Oh fair. We've shared on the social clip. I've tried
(29:48):
to be nice, but it's rare for me to be
the super nice guy here talking about Katie Kirk interviewing
Jake Tapper. Neither of us had any idea that Katie
Kirk was still doing media, and I said, I used
to have a little bit of a crush on her,
and Buck just out of nowhere calls her in New
York six and now it is ricocheting throughout the internet interwebs.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's above average. That's above average. I think that's pretty nice.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Above average. I'm getting more right swipes than left swipes
on Tinder. We've got a couple of clips here. Well,
let's see, let's get one call in. Uh, well, yeah,
let's yeah, Simon, he's gone, all right, Well Simon and
Alabama had a question I'm reading. I think it's an
interesting one. He wanted to talk about habeas corpus, and
(30:37):
maybe we'll talk about that some tomorrow. I this is
a super nerd thing that I did, Buck. I researched
Abraham Lincoln's habeas corpus decision. Will put a pin in
this and this will be the nerdiest thing that you
have ever heard on radio. I will analyze Abraham Lincoln's
habeas corpus decision. But hey, go ahead and put this
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I think the decision that he made could apply as
it pertains to illegal immigrants in our modern day tomorrow. So, hey,
you want to talk barnburners one hundred and sixty year
old legal precedent analysis for me? I as nerds do
nerded out on this one, and I got a bunch
(31:22):
of takes, but I wanted to play these before we
finished the day because we got some good clips out there.
Right now, this is Chris Cuomo, Chris Cuomo ripping Jake
Tapper to shreds. Listen to cut thirty one.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
The book is titled Original Sin, claiming to detail how
Biden's staffers made efforts to hide his decline from the
public and the media.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
The cover has Biden.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
With his hands over his eyes, and it could just
as easily be a picture of the writers of this
book who are pretending they didn't see and hear what
everybody else did.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
And look, I do.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Believe the book is a cover for something, and it's
a cover for something that's much more serious to me
than Biden's age and stage. Everwhere the reality that many
in the media knew damn well that Biden was losing it,
but they played it down because they wanted Trump to
lose more. The original sin is not hiding Biden's age
(32:21):
and stage, but hiding this preference.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
He's totally right, hundred percent right. So bravo to Chris Cuomo.
Bro Cuomo, whom I think, honestly because CNN hung him
out to dry, he's just kind of like, you know what,
go bleep yourself. You know, he doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It is interesting when people get fired and become better
versions of what they were already doing. Chris Cuomo is
actually a really good example. I think fired Chris Cuomo
is and and I mean this, I don't mean that
as actually like a slide. I think post CNN Chris
Cuomo because he realized that a lot of the Democrats
they thought where on his team or whatever these people are,
These people have no ethics they I think that he's
(33:06):
been both humbled and he's wiser. Now, that's just what
I sense. I don't know the guy never met him,
but that's what I sense from him on the air.
I think a lot of people when they don't have
the big support of corporate media. Maybe let's say somebody
like Don Lemon, who also was on air at CNN,
they flounder, they fall apart because they were being raised
(33:28):
up to their job.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Do you remember how stupid he was? First of all,
I used to do his show, So I've always known
that Don Lemon is just he's just not a smart man.
He's just never Yeah. And when I say he's not
a smart man, I mean yeah, maybe he's like cunning
in certain ways, or you know, Matt navigated the media landscape.
This is not a curious man. This is not a
man who ever read books or cared to learn anything
about anything. Do you remember when he sat down with
Elon Musk, but he was the Elon graciously graciously invited
(33:54):
him and Tucker to sort of be more active on
X and and Don Lemon decided to basically trash Elon
to his face to prove his journalistic credentials. And Elon
was just like, Wow, you are as dumb as Trump
has said all along. Trump was right once again, no doubt.
Uh did we play John Stewart going in? I can't
(34:14):
remember on did we play that cut we did. Wait, Clay,
you're gonna like this talkback even better. I want to
get Okay, you want to hold it, you want to
hold out in.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Your let's do we I'm told we did. We were
on three hours. We got a ton of audio in
front of us. We played a ton of audio today.
I couldn't remember. I wanted to make sure that we
did because I wanted to give John Stewart credit. We
just gave Chris Cuomo credit. I'm gonna give John from
Oklahoma City a lot of credit. Talkback, BB. This is
a man who knows how to make an argument.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
All right, Clay.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Look, Katie Kirk was an absolute guy back in the day.
Amen said, that's all we got. Not he's just dropping
that there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Well, he's just I mean, I mean, if you're like,
I mean, you don't have to explain why Michael Jordan
was great at basketball. Katie Kirk was a dime back
in the day. You know who else? Jesse Kelly's already weighted.
He says, you're being way too harsh. By the way, CNN,
I do want to play this. We're having some fun.
So let's play another ridiculous clip. We told you exactly
(35:12):
how Trump in the Oval Office talking to the South
African president would be covered by the legacy media that
told you Biden was sharpest attack. Here is CNN saying
Trump is being it's an ambush and he's sharing debunked
conspiracy theories. This is cut thirty two. This is what
you would have heard on CNN.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Errol Ramaposa brought his best diplomatic self to this meeting,
but nothing could have prepared him for this multimedia ambush
that President Trump laid out with a video with printed
out news stories. This was a laundry list of This
was a laundry list of debunk's conspiracy theories. Some South
Africans are telling me this is afri Forum propaganda. After
(35:54):
Forum is a white African and lobby group that's considered
that a white nationalist organization but a Southern in lost center.
Everything almost everything that President Trump said in the Oval
Office is not true, was inaccurate, has been repeatedly debunked.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
A joke of an organization, but just put that aside.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Also, I mean the videos exist. Right, if there were
prominent white political leaders in the United States calling for
killing black people and they would be arrested five seconds
after they left the stage, and it would be talked
about how we needed to have a national conversation about
racism in this country for the next decade. I mean,
(36:36):
they point out, I don't even know where David Duke is.
That's the only dude I can even find in the
last thirty years forty years of American politics that has
in any way been publicly racist and had a prominent job.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
They still reference him. This is very common in Africa.
In this country, you can get fired from your job.
We're saying something that's not even racist, but that somebody
he decided that maybe could be construed by someone else
as racist, even if it wasn't your intent. Okay, they
have to search high endlough. They have to fabricate racism
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We are joined by Harvard Law professor emeritus and best
selling author Alan Dershowitz. He's got a new book out
released just yesterday, The Preventive State, The Challenge of preventing
serious harms while preserving essential liberties. Go get your copy,
read it on the beach. You'll impress everybody who sees
you with how smart you are. Professor Dershowitz. Good to
(00:38):
have you on.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hey, it's great to be on. It's a very topical
book because it deals with all the preventive mechanisms that
we use to try to stop crying from occurring, like deportation. Also,
Meg Ye.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I was gonna jump right into that. I mean, tell
us about tell us about the deportation piece, and how
you think the administration is doing on the legal front there.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Well, you know, deport is one of the oldest forms
of prevention known to humankind. That used to be called exile.
If we were afraid of somebody, we would exile them
and make them leave the country. And so we're using
that now as a mechanism of prevention, and I would
say that I would give a split verdict to the administration.
They're doing the right things substively, that is, they're trying
(01:21):
to throw the right people out. They're trying to make
sure that we're not subject to crime by gang members.
On the other hand, they're not doing such a great
job on due process. And the Supreme Court has basically
come down with split decisions. They basically said, look, the
president has the authority to decide who's in the country
and who's not in the country, but he has to
(01:42):
cross every constitutional t and dot every constitutional ie. And
so the courts have struck back on some of the
mechanisms that are being used, but they said it's okay
to use deportation as a method of crime prevention.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Talking to Alan Derschwitz, you and I have tried a
similar path where I voted Democrat and then Democrats I
started to see losing their mind, and I have changed
how I voted. I'm curious for you. You're You've had
a longer career in the law than I have by
by far, and a much more successful one. But I'm
(02:18):
also a lawyer. When did in your mind it go
from a quote unquote traditionally liberal perspective to stand, for instance,
for First Amendment, free speech, for basic principles of fairness,
and turn into more of a conservative one. Do you
remember a point in time when you looked around and said, boy,
(02:40):
the ACLU isn't the ACLU that I grew up supporting.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well supporting. I was on the national board. I was
the youngest person on the national voard of the ACOU.
I spent years supporting the a CEO you. I worked
with the ACO you to defend the rights of Nazis
to march in Skokie, Illinois. I defended people on de
I throw as an ACO you lawyer. I won't give
a nickel to the ACO you. And I call the
ACO YOU the Anti Civil Liberties Union. They have become
(03:08):
completely partisan in political Once every two years they represent
a Nazi in order to show that they're still civil libertarians.
But the vast, vast majority of their work is on progressive, woke,
left wing causes. And you know, they've become kind of
(03:29):
a leader in the weaponization of the legal system against
Donald Trump, against Republicans, against Conservatives, against Christians, And so
I'm totally contemptuous. You know it's interesting. I've devoted my
whole life to human rights, civil liberties, and civil rights.
I now see something that s marks civil liberty, civil rights,
human rights, I throw in the garbage pail because I
(03:50):
know it's going to be on the wrong side of everything. Today.
Human rights has just turned against Israel, against the United States,
against Christianity, against decency, and so I have no support
for those concepts anymore. They've been hijacked, they've been taken away.
And I'm still a civil limitarian. And you know, I
described myself as a constitutional libertarian, but as well as
(04:17):
a meritocratic egalitarian and a constructive contrarian. So I haven't changed.
But like Ronald Reagan said, the Democrats have left me.
I left the Democratic Party hours after the Democratic Convention
this year when I saw that they were picking one
after the other progressive, anti liberal speakers, anti israel speakers,
(04:40):
sometimes anti Semitic speakers, and the Republicans were doing a
better job and preserving liberty and democracy and freedom of speech.
I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent, but I'm not
a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
How'd you vote?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I can't say, because I you know, I love sleeping
with my wife, and you know she has made me
sworn me to secrecy. I can tell you this. I
voted for Biden and I for Hillary Clinton. But I'm
not going to disclose how I voted in the last
in the last election, and.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Or how I would vote.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
In the next election. But I have been supportive of
many of the things that Trump has done, just as
I was supportive of many of the things that previous
presidents have done well at the same time being critical
of many of the things. And deportation is one of
the things I'm concerned about. I'm also concerned that that
(05:43):
Donald Trump may abandoned Israel. That's been a concern for me.
And is he going to allow Israel to protect itself
against the potentional nuclear Iran? I don't know the answer
to that question. In my book, To Prevent a State,
I spend a lot of time on the Iran issue
because that's the personification of preventive attack. I used the
(06:05):
example of Nazi Germany in nineteen thirty five, when Britain
and France could have destroyed Nazi Germany before it was
capable of destroying all of Europe and killing fifty million people,
and they didn't do it because they didn't take it
was seriously and you know, peace in our time, Chamberlain,
and that enabled Hitler to kill fifty million people. Had
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they attacked, they would have you know, killed fifteen fifteen
thousand people with twenty thousand people, and they would have
defeated Nazi Germany. But you know they were. History is
blind to the future, and we just don't know at
that time. We didn't know what we were stopping. And
so I spend time in my book on that as well.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The preventive state, the challenge of preventing serious harms while
preserving essential liberties. Professor Dershweriz's book just came out yesterday,
And Professor Derschwitz, if I could draw upon your time
as a criminal defense attorney, I know you're not on
this case, that would be interesting. You're not on this case,
but I'm sure you've been following it and seeing in
the headlines. What is your just overall sense as to
(07:14):
the likely outcome to the degree you can see it
this early on in the case, or perhaps the pitfalls
for either the defense or the prosecution. In the Sean
Combs aka puff Daddy aka p Diddy Sex trafficking case
that's getting a lot of attention to headlines given how
high profile mister Combs is.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
If I had to make a prediction, I would predicted
he'd get convicted, and that his conviction would have reversed
on appeal. I don't understand how a jury should be
able to see that horrible video of him kicking and
beating up his girlfriend in the whole way of the hotel.
That's not what he's charged with. He's charged with running,
(07:54):
you know, a Rico enterprise, and that tape is so
done prejudice you can't get it out of your head.
As soon as you see that tape and say to yourself,
I want to convict the son of a bitch. And
so I think it will be reversed on appeal. But
it's very hard to believe that a jury won't find
(08:15):
his conduct.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
But why do you think Professor Drisch would selina it
so clearly you're I mean, the guy's a mind. The
guy's a bad guy. I mean everyone, there's no right
he's not on trial for being a good guy or
a bad guy. He's a bad guy. That's very clear.
And I think even the defense isn't really contesting that.
But as a matter of law, why would you how
would you see it? Perhaps, and again I know you're
we're asking you to sort of see into the future,
(08:37):
which is tough, But how would you see it being overturned?
If let's say the jury does what you think, why
would you think then that it might be overturned on.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Appeal for the same reason that the Harvey Weinstein New
York conviction was overturned, And that is the admissibility of
prejudicial material that swayed the jury to convict even though
the element of the crime and the elements of RICO
are very tough to establish, and the elements of you know,
conducting sex trafficking business. So that would be the grounds
(09:11):
for reversal that evidence came in that should never have
been seen by the jury.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
All right, let me go back to your experience, and
you're staying committed to principal aclu and everything else we
talked earlier on this program. As suddenly, Jake Tapper writes
a book and says, boy, we could have never known
that Joe Biden wasn't mentally or physically competent for the job.
And the New York Times and the Washington Post write
(09:37):
editorial saying, boy, you know, somebody really should have said
something about the state that Biden was in, and you know,
the media ostensibly does exist to speak truth to power.
They wrote democracy dies in darkness at the top of
the Washington Post. You are steeped in liberal circles, where
you hang out, where you live. What are people who
(09:58):
read The New York Times and watch MSNBC. What are
they saying in conversations that you hear. Do they feel
as if they have been lied to? Or are they
so convinced that Trump is hitler that they don't even
care if they're being lied to because it's a price
worth paying. What do you hear?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's the latter. In private, they're praising people who lied,
and they wish the lie had been successful and that
bike would have been allowed to run, because many of
them think that Biden would have snuck past the finish
line because he's more likable than Kamila Harris. I don't
know whether that's true or not. I'm not a polster,
(10:38):
but I can only tell you that people on the
MS on that side, the New York Times, CNM, MSNBC side,
they don't care about lying. They would have been very
happy if they have been a complete, in total and
successful cover up in order to defeat Trump, and then
Biden would be president for a couple of months, and
(10:59):
then he'd have to office, either through the twenty fifth
Amendment or by resignation, and then we'd have keml Arris's president.
That's what the Martha's Vineyard crowd is objecting to, not
that they were denied the truth, but that they didn't
do a good enough job in covering up the truth.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Let me ask you this too, given that I think
anybody who's the rational, reasonable person would acknowledge that Biden
was not mentally or physically capable of being president in
the United States, do you, as a warrior, believe there
is any value in challenging some of the decisions made
by Biden, for instance, this big pardon expansive pardons that
(11:40):
he gave at the end of his tenure based on
his mind not being capable of entering into the decisions
that were being made. Is there any legal ground there
in your mind to challenge these things.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I don't think so, because then you'd have to challenge
probably some of the things at the end of the
Reagan of presidency maybe the Roosevelt presidency, certainly the Widregal
Wilson presidency. You know, there if in fact Biden didn't
know that things were being signed for him by the
use of the auto pen, that might pose an interesting challenge.
(12:17):
It would have to be something that was constitutionally required
to be signed, like a law. Pardons, for example, don't
have to be signed. You can just give an oral pardon.
But for a law to be valid, it has to
be the sign of vetoed by the president. And if
it could be demonstrated that Biden didn't really know and
that he was he had authorized somebody else to do
(12:38):
the signing, that could raise could raise problems. You know,
in some respects all of this goes back to prevention,
because what is the twenty fifth Amendment all about. It's
all about trying to prevent a non qualified president from
having access to the nuclear trigger. And you know, we
(12:59):
we do so many things preventively in order to assure
that greater dangers don't exist, and we have to make
sure that when we do it, we do it according
to due process. And that's the crisis we're in now.
We're not in a constitutional crisis. We're in a political
crisis and a constitutional conflict, and the Constitution is so
(13:22):
far figured out ways of getting resolving these issues, and
so I'm not worried as long as President Trump says
and really does not in any way violate a Supreme
Court order and we're not in a crisis.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Last question for you quickly here because we've got to
get to a break. But you talked about your experience
with Trump and being of the opinion that he's better
on Israel issues than certainly Democrats have been based on
the platform they put forward in the DNC two parter.
Do you hear a lot of Jewish people out there
acknowledging that Trump has been very good on Israel? And
(14:00):
the second part of that, do people say, Hey, you
can criticize him for a lot, but the idea that
he's Hitler is absolutely insane. I'm talking Jewish voters in particular.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
No, I wish they were more sensible Jewish voters, but
there are a lot of Jewish voters who don't believe
he's supportive of Israel. Can't find you know, these are
people who are afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome. Some of
them also have BB derangement syndrome. And you know, neither
not who. No Trump can do anything right, and so
if he's supportive of Israel, it must be for in
(14:34):
an effort to get a plane from Qatar. If he's
against people on campus who are anti Semits or anti Israel,
has nothing to do with anti Semitism. It has to
do that he doesn't like universities unless you are in
some of these radical, progressive, woke left wing circles. It
is impossible to understand the depths. I mean, they think
(14:57):
it's an insult to Hitler, say that Trump Hitler. They
think he's worse. I mean, these people just have no
limit to what And by the way, I know people
in Israel have the same attitude to nat. They cannot
be rational about those subjects. And it's too bad because
(15:19):
you know, in both cases not to know and Trump
have done many good things, and I've done some things
that are subject to criticism, and people should have a
nuanced view, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Alan Dershowitz appreciate the time, sir book is out. The
preventative state, the challenge of preventing serious harms while preserving
essential liberties. We appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Sir, thank you so much. Be well.
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Speaker 1 (19:21):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck, Sexton show. Hope all
of you are having a fabulous Wednesday. We are joined
now by a woman who had to go all the
way to the Supreme Court to be able to speak
and vote in the main legislature. She is Laurel Libby.
And for those of you who don't know, I want
(19:42):
to give a quick background and you can correct me
if I'm wrong on any of this. Laurel, and thanks
for coming on with us. You spoke out against men
being able to win women's championships in Maine, something that
I would imagine the vast, vast majority of people in Maine,
certainly almost everyone listening to to us in Maine right
now would agree with, but the vast majority of people
(20:03):
in general. You were then censored because you refuse to
apologize for this. They would not allow you to vote
to represent your constituents in Maine. You went to the
Supreme Court and the Supreme Court yesterday and a seven
to two ruling said, the main legislature has to allow
you to do your job on behalf of your constituents.
(20:24):
Have I got that right? Can you believe that all
this has actually happened?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That is a very concise yet accurate summary, I would
have to say, And no, it is kind of It's
pretty unbelievable when when you say it like that, remarkable
that a majority party would try to silence a member
of the minority party and take my constituents vote away.
It's astounding the defenders of democracy at work.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
What exactly is there? And Laurel, appreciate you being with
us and thank you for doing what you've been doing
standing for what is I think obvious obvious truth in
this matter. But just so I'm clear on this, Clay's
been following this story very closely. What is their rationale
for silencing you? Like what you know? I understand you've
(21:10):
gone against the narrative, but officially speaking, on what grounds
are they doing this?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Well, they don't really have good grounds to do this.
First of all, I even't broken the law. I didn't
do anything even against our rules, which they're claiming that
I did. What I did was from the privacy of
my own home. I made a Facebook post and stood
side by side of a biological male participating in the
pole vault winning fifth place at a regional meet last year,
(21:39):
and then nag the girls state championship this year. And
you know, they say a picture speaks a thousand words,
and this did. And so the excuse that they came
up with was that this was a photo of a minor.
And I'll just remind folks that when you win a
state championship, you have to expect your photo is going
(22:01):
to be out there. And indeed, these were publicly shared
photos that were public before I shared them. But that's
the grounds that the Democrats are trying to stretch to
to say that this was should not have been posted,
and we use that to make their unconstitutional censer and
say that I'm not allowed to represent my constituents.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So you're still not allowed to speak on the floor
of the state House. Is this true? In other words,
while you're allowed to vote, you aren't allowed to make
arguments about how you were voting.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
That is entirely accurate and it's just as ludicrous as
it sounds. So I will be allowed to vote now,
but I will not be allowed to speak as the
case makes its way through the courts. Of course, being
able to vote on behalf of my constituents that is
the most important piece, and that's how my constituents had
(22:54):
been disenfranchised with not having a vote on the legislation.
And so that's what we requested from the Supreme Court
in our emergency application, was to have the ability to
vote on behalf of my constituents. And on June fifth,
will be heard in the First Circuit Court of Appeals
regarding the full case, and that includes getting my voice back.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Okay, So this is just bonkers to me that this
could become an issue in any state. But if it
became an issue, let's say in Illinois, or in Vermont,
or in California, states that are overwhelmingly Democrat, that might
make a little bit more sense. But Trump won one
of the congressional districts in your state. The state was
(23:38):
decided by seven points overall. What percentage of main residents
do you think agree with the argument that you are making.
What do you hear when you go out and about
in the state.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Well, when I talk to folks, it's clear that the
polling that demonstrates two thirds of manors don't believe that
biological mail should be participating in girls sports is extremely accurate.
But I have to tell you, you know, the numbers are
even more startling than you may realize. Of course, the
breakdown by congressional district is impressive, but when you get
(24:15):
to actually how much the Democrats won the House majority
by in our state of one point three million people,
they only won the majority by sixty votes across the
entire state. So they're ruling with an iron fist here
and making these unconstitutional moves when they only hold the
majority by.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Sixty votes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Do you think, Laurel, there's going to be any political
blowback on the Democrats? You know, I don't mean news
cycle blowback, right, I mean you know the next election cycle.
Is this the kind of thing that by the way,
Maynors is.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
That right, Maynors?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
You got it?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Mayners just making sure Maynors they see and they realize, Wow,
the Democrats in our state have lost their minds. You know,
what's your sense of that?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
You know, as I talk with folks, it does seem
apparent to everyone but Augusta Democrats that they have lost
their minds. And I say Augusta Democrats because this goes
across party lines. There are plenty of Democrats out and
about in Maine who think it's insanity to allow biological
males to compete in girls' sports. And they also think
it's insanity to unconstitutionally bar a sitting legislator from voting
(25:30):
on behalf of her district. So the folks who are
in power in Augusta are way out on a limb here.
It is not a representative of your average manor that
doesn't agree with them.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So obviously you have coming up in May next year
a big Senate race. Susan Collins, Republican, is going to
be up for reelection. I believe I'm correct in this.
You can correct me if I'm wrong. And that is
massive because Republicans have a fifty three to forty seven
and Susan Collins one of the rare members of the
(26:04):
Senate who is representing a state that voted differently in
the presidential race. In other words, cross party. Am I
crazy or does this have to be a fairly significant
issue statewide? In that race based on what the Democrats
in the legislature have done to you.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I certainly hope this has significant influence in the twenty
twenty sixth election. Of course, we do have Senator Collins reelection.
She is the last Republican Senator in New England, which
is pretty remarkable. In addition, we also have a gubernatorial race.
We have of course the congressional CD one and CD two,
(26:46):
and we also have the full legislature every two years,
House and Senate up for a vote. And so you know,
I hope that this does come back to bite the
Democrats next year, and I certainly will be working very
hard to ensure that it does.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Laurel appreciates you standing strong on this issue, and as
you continue to do just that, we'll have you back
on the show. Make sure everybody knows about you're doing
up in Maine. Beautiful along the coast. I hear maners
have some great stuff up there.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Stand scoregeous throughout.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
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Speaker 1 (29:26):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We were rolling through
the Wednesday edition of the program. A variety of different
big news stories out there, and we have had a
heck of a time breaking them all down for you.
Oh fair. We've shared on the social clip. I've tried
(29:48):
to be nice, but it's rare for me to be
the super nice guy here talking about Katie Kirk interviewing
Jake Tapper. Neither of us had any idea that Katie
Kirk was still doing media, and I said, I used
to have a little bit of a crush on her,
and Buck just out of nowhere calls her in New
York six and now it is ricocheting throughout the internet interwebs.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's above average. That's above average. I think that's pretty nice.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Above average. I'm getting more right swipes than left swipes
on Tinder. We've got a couple of clips here. Well,
let's see, let's get one call in. Uh, well, yeah,
let's yeah, Simon, he's gone, all right, Well Simon and
Alabama had a question I'm reading. I think it's an
interesting one. He wanted to talk about habeas corpus, and
(30:37):
maybe we'll talk about that some tomorrow. I this is
a super nerd thing that I did, Buck. I researched
Abraham Lincoln's habeas corpus decision. Will put a pin in
this and this will be the nerdiest thing that you
have ever heard on radio. I will analyze Abraham Lincoln's
habeas corpus decision. But hey, go ahead and put this
one on the on the horizon, make sure you don't miss.
(31:00):
I will analyze Abraham Lincoln's Habeas Corpus decision and how
I think the decision that he made could apply as
it pertains to illegal immigrants in our modern day tomorrow. So, hey,
you want to talk barnburners one hundred and sixty year
old legal precedent analysis for me? I as nerds do
nerded out on this one, and I got a bunch
(31:22):
of takes, but I wanted to play these before we
finished the day because we got some good clips out there.
Right now, this is Chris Cuomo, Chris Cuomo ripping Jake
Tapper to shreds. Listen to cut thirty one.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
The book is titled Original Sin, claiming to detail how
Biden's staffers made efforts to hide his decline from the
public and the media.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
The cover has Biden.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
With his hands over his eyes, and it could just
as easily be a picture of the writers of this
book who are pretending they didn't see and hear what
everybody else did.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
And look, I do.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Believe the book is a cover for something, and it's
a cover for something that's much more serious to me
than Biden's age and stage. Everwhere the reality that many
in the media knew damn well that Biden was losing it,
but they played it down because they wanted Trump to
lose more. The original sin is not hiding Biden's age
(32:21):
and stage, but hiding this preference.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
He's totally right, hundred percent right. So bravo to Chris Cuomo.
Bro Cuomo, whom I think, honestly because CNN hung him
out to dry, he's just kind of like, you know what,
go bleep yourself. You know, he doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It is interesting when people get fired and become better
versions of what they were already doing. Chris Cuomo is
actually a really good example. I think fired Chris Cuomo
is and and I mean this, I don't mean that
as actually like a slide. I think post CNN Chris
Cuomo because he realized that a lot of the Democrats
they thought where on his team or whatever these people are,
These people have no ethics they I think that he's
(33:06):
been both humbled and he's wiser. Now, that's just what
I sense. I don't know the guy never met him,
but that's what I sense from him on the air.
I think a lot of people when they don't have
the big support of corporate media. Maybe let's say somebody
like Don Lemon, who also was on air at CNN,
they flounder, they fall apart because they were being raised
(33:28):
up to their job.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Do you remember how stupid he was? First of all,
I used to do his show, So I've always known
that Don Lemon is just he's just not a smart man.
He's just never Yeah. And when I say he's not
a smart man, I mean yeah, maybe he's like cunning
in certain ways, or you know, Matt navigated the media landscape.
This is not a curious man. This is not a
man who ever read books or cared to learn anything
about anything. Do you remember when he sat down with
Elon Musk, but he was the Elon graciously graciously invited
(33:54):
him and Tucker to sort of be more active on
X and and Don Lemon decided to basically trash Elon
to his face to prove his journalistic credentials. And Elon
was just like, Wow, you are as dumb as Trump
has said all along. Trump was right once again, no doubt.
Uh did we play John Stewart going in? I can't
(34:14):
remember on did we play that cut we did. Wait, Clay,
you're gonna like this talkback even better. I want to
get Okay, you want to hold it, you want to
hold out in.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Your let's do we I'm told we did. We were
on three hours. We got a ton of audio in
front of us. We played a ton of audio today.
I couldn't remember. I wanted to make sure that we
did because I wanted to give John Stewart credit. We
just gave Chris Cuomo credit. I'm gonna give John from
Oklahoma City a lot of credit. Talkback, BB. This is
a man who knows how to make an argument.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
All right, Clay.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Look, Katie Kirk was an absolute guy back in the day.
Amen said, that's all we got. Not he's just dropping
that there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Well, he's just I mean, I mean, if you're like,
I mean, you don't have to explain why Michael Jordan
was great at basketball. Katie Kirk was a dime back
in the day. You know who else? Jesse Kelly's already weighted.
He says, you're being way too harsh. By the way, CNN,
I do want to play this. We're having some fun.
So let's play another ridiculous clip. We told you exactly
(35:12):
how Trump in the Oval Office talking to the South
African president would be covered by the legacy media that
told you Biden was sharpest attack. Here is CNN saying
Trump is being it's an ambush and he's sharing debunked
conspiracy theories. This is cut thirty two. This is what
you would have heard on CNN.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Errol Ramaposa brought his best diplomatic self to this meeting,
but nothing could have prepared him for this multimedia ambush
that President Trump laid out with a video with printed
out news stories. This was a laundry list of This
was a laundry list of debunk's conspiracy theories. Some South
Africans are telling me this is afri Forum propaganda. After
(35:54):
Forum is a white African and lobby group that's considered
that a white nationalist organization but a Southern in lost center.
Everything almost everything that President Trump said in the Oval
Office is not true, was inaccurate, has been repeatedly debunked.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
A joke of an organization, but just put that aside.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Also, I mean the videos exist. Right, if there were
prominent white political leaders in the United States calling for
killing black people and they would be arrested five seconds
after they left the stage, and it would be talked
about how we needed to have a national conversation about
racism in this country for the next decade. I mean,
(36:36):
they point out, I don't even know where David Duke is.
That's the only dude I can even find in the
last thirty years forty years of American politics that has
in any way been publicly racist and had a prominent job.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
They still reference him. This is very common in Africa.
In this country, you can get fired from your job.
We're saying something that's not even racist, but that somebody
he decided that maybe could be construed by someone else
as racist, even if it wasn't your intent. Okay, they
have to search high endlough. They have to fabricate racism
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