May 23, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the cultural and political controversies surrounding Caitlin Clark’s impact on the WNBA, sparking a provocative discussion on race, gender, and identity politics in professional sports. Clay Travis explores the backlash Clark faces as a white, straight woman entering a predominantly Black and lesbian league, arguing that her presence should be celebrated for the economic boost and visibility she brings—comparing her influence to that of Tiger Woods in golf and Serena and Venus Williams in tennis. The hour features a powerful email from a former Division I women’s basketball player, reinforcing the idea that Clark’s race and sexuality are central to the hostility she faces. Travis critiques the WNBA’s failure to embrace Clark as a transformative figure, highlighting the league’s low salaries and missed opportunity to capitalize on her popularity. The conversation expands into broader societal issues, including the pitfalls of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) initiatives, with a particular focus on the concept of “equity” versus “equality.” Travis emphasizes the importance of diversity of thought over cosmetic diversity, using a controversial analogy involving strip clubs to illustrate how true diversity can drive success and profitability. Later in the hour, guest Karol Markowitz joins to discuss rising antisemitism in the U.S. and the Jewish community’s shifting stance on self-defense and gun ownership post-October 7. The segment also touches on the tragic shooting of two Israeli-connected individuals in Washington, D.C., and the broader implications for Jewish safety and political alignment in America. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the cultural double standards in media narratives and the importance of embracing merit and unity over division.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show Buck is out.
We'll be back with me on Tuesday. He's starting his
Memorial Day holiday weekend a little bit early, as I'm
sure many of you are as well. We got a
bunch of guests coming up on the back half of
the program, Carol Markoitz, Frank Siller, and West Virginia Governor
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Patrick Morrissey all still to come. Lots of reaction rolling
in and you guys have been really great at this,
but a lot of you are reacting to Caitlin clark
analogy because I think it has struck you. And I
don't know that anybody else, frankly, would make the analogy
because even if you thought of it in sports, so
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many people are terrified of saying anything that could be
considered controversial in the realm of race. And to say, hey,
a white girl's being treated differently because she's a white girl,
it's like, oh my god, oh my goodness, how dare you?
And this email is actually great, and again, I just
want you to think about it in the context of
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the culture and the idea of again a rising tide
lifted all boats. Last hour, I said, look, I wish
there was. It's you know, the NFL quarterbacks. Everybody's contract
comes up and they make more money. I'm always of
the opinion I want everybody to make as much money
as possible. I want everybody that does what I do
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to make as much money as possible. Charlottage the God,
I want you swimming in a in a Scrooge McDuck
vault full of cash. Bobby Bones, I want you buying
your own plane. Sean Hannity. You already got your own plane,
but more power to you, by the way, not a
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small plane either, like a really awesome, badass plane. Good
for Sean Hannity. Rush, We've been here four years. Rush
is the most six scessful person in the history of radio.
Howard Stern, back before he lost his mind. I want
all those people to make as much money as possible.
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I want them to be as successful as possible, because
a rising tide lifts all boats. I made this argument
a while back. You guys, remember when Tony Romo out
of Nowhere suddenly made seventeen million dollars to call NFL games.
Out of Nowhere Tony Romo, CBS had to pay him
seventeen million dollars a year to call games. You know
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what ended up happening. Everybody else got nearly seventeen million
dollars to call games. You shouldn't, in my opinion, if
you are a capitalist, be angry when someone else in
your realm of life makes good money. You should be
looking at them, give them the thumbs up, and figure
out how to do it yourself and hopefully exceed what
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they do. That's how the golfers responded to Tiger Woods.
The Tiger tide lifted all boats. That's how the tennis
players responded to Venus and Serena Williams. The Venus and
Serena Williams tiede lifted all boats. All tennis players made
way more money. All golfers made way more money. People
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who didn't look like most of the golfers and most
of the tennis players came in and made everybody more money.
Why isn't the same happening in the WNBA. I think
it's because racism in this country has convinced black women
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that they can't be racist, and so unlike white golfers
and unlike white tennis players who were like, man, I'm
not going to do anything racist I'm going to make
sure that I welcome these people who look differently than me,
and everybody ends up benefiting as a result. A lot
of these black basketball players have decided that they hate
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Caitlyn Clark, and a lot of you are reacting. I
wanted to read this email if I can find it.
This is from one of our VIPs. She's in Memphis, says, hey,
I play D one basketball, and she writes as follows,
You're so correct on this issue. I play D one
women's college basketball. I live in Memphis, a city I love,
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but can be super racially hyper sensitive. My husband is
a public school administrator. We see it and live it
within the circles we live in. We're white. For Caitlin Clark,
it's not only because she's white, but also because she's straight.
There are a ton of lesbians as well. No shock
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to a lot of you, I would imagine. But in
the WNBA, so Caitlin Clark has two differences compared to
the group that she is entering. She's white and straight
in a league that has a lot of black lesbians.
If she weren't so dominant, it wouldn't be an issue. Again,
this is according to one of our VIP's former D
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one basketball player. Other players are jealous of her. She said,
I never cared. This is our VIP emailer about paying
attention to the WNBA prior to her arrival. I took
my daughter to her first game last year. We drove
to Indianapolis. Two rose below us was a father and
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an adult daughter from my hometown in Alabama. It was
their first game. Also, she has brought in many people
that did not support the league previously, and she says
in we're a big sports family and it's not. And
by the way, I appreciate the emails that thanks for
all you do. We appreciate you listening. But this is
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what you want, right. Think about it. If you're a
business and your business has been let's be honest, the
WNBA business awful. And suddenly you get this meteor streaking
across the night sky, You get your Tiger, you get
your Venus or your Serena. The league should be losing
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its mind over how excited they are every player. You
know what the average player rookie contract in the WNBA
is seventy five K. Now, I'm not trying to shoot
down seventy five K my starting salary as a warrior.
After I spent a three years, I made less than
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seventy five K. For much of my life I made
less than seventy five K. I'm not trying to denigrate it,
but there are dudes coming to work as plumbers now
making more money in their twenties than WNBA athletes. So like,
if the WNBA ladies though girls, they were just like, oh,
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we don't want we're doing great without her, I'd be like, okay,
well I don't really get it, but the jealousy would
make sense. You're all gonna make more money. You might
make six figures. I saw the other day a girl
got fined in the WNBA. They kept a paycheck. It
was forty eight dollars. All right, I'm just saying I
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did radio for fifty dollars a show, so I know
what it's like to not make much money. But when
you get fined, and you're fined for what you did
is less than a parking ticket, you're probably not making
a ton of money. It is so moronic. How does
it happen? Now? Some people out there they're sexist, and
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they're like, well, it's just this how women are. Women
are super jealous. But it didn't apply in tennis. I
don't think it's gender based. I think it's race based,
and maybe, as the emailer said, sexuality based too. But
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it's also so counterproductive, and I worry that it is
unfortunately a metaphor for what is going on in the
country as a whole. This one's gonna get me in trouble.
Turn down the radio if you got young kids in
the car. I was saying, major issue is DEI. It's
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not so much the D or the I, it's the E, right,
It's equity instead of a quality. Because most of you
out there, well, look diversity. The diversity that matters is
diversity of thought, not diversity of skin color. But I
do think diversity of thought matters. If I run a
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company and I got eight people sitting around on my
board and they all look different, but give me the
exact same advice, is that really helping me as a CEO?
Larry David made fun of this, the idea of cosmetic diversity.
There's a great scene in Curb Your Enthusiasm, a great
season in Curby Your Enthusiasm, where a white guy is
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in charge of making all the creative decisions, but he
has like a woman in a wheelchair, and like a
gay trans person like sitting on the couch in his
room and all they do is nod. That is the diversity,
But he's still the dude making the decision. If I'm
asking people for advice, I want a variety of opinions.
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My wife used to get mad at me because I
would ask her for an opinion or advice, and then
I wouldn't do what she said. I did not a
smart guy. I didn't realize that. She was like, like,
I've given you thirty two straight advice points and you
haven't done any of them or what. But she's super smart.
To Innovaderbilt Law school, I want somebody super smart telling
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me what they think to make sure that I'm not
missing something. Doesn't mean that I'm going to make the
choice that you suggest or follow your guidance completely. I
just want to make sure that I'm considering the entirety
of opinions. So diversity actually of thought makes total sense.
You are going to be successful more in life if
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you challenge your opinions. Then if you surround people who
always say, oh, you're right. So diversity of thought matters,
inclusion matters. You want to include as many different opinions
as possible, because I have the idea that this is
how you end up in a better place. The reason
why I think we're going to be more successful than
China in the long run is because China artificially circumscribes
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or its people can be exposed to. And if you
can't see everything and consider everything, particularly in a modern
AI era, how do you come up with something new?
Newness is generally speaking, a conflict between two divergent perspectives. Boom,
it creates something new. All right, this keep now. I
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told you to turn down the radio too quick. You
know the analogy that actually should get used that nobody
talks about. Strip clubs make way more money if the
girls look different. I'm just telling you, if you only
have a strip club and every girl is a blonde.
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Maybe that exists in Sweden, I don't know, it doesn't
do as well as a Vegas style strip club where
every girl looks different. I'm just telling you. Strip club
is probably the greatest example of diversity working, because if
every girl looks the same, they're all competing for the
same dude. And a dude who might be interested in
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something else he comes in he doesn't spend his money.
I don't know if we have any strip club operators
listening right now, but I guarantee the guy who gal
who runs a strip club is like clapping their hands together.
It's like, you're the first person to ever make this
analogy to millions of people on a radio show ever,
Probably for a reason, but it's true. The WNBA has
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an opportunity with a unique talent, the likes of which
has never existed in the history of the league, to
actually make people care about their product. And they hate
her because she's straight, and they hate her because she's white.
And what does the WNBA's response to Caitlin Clark in
a larger context tell us about not allowing the rising
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tide to lift all boats. That certainly was the case
in the nineteen fifties because if you were black in America,
you had a lot less opportunities than a white kid did.
And that's a fin to me because it means we
didn't get the best maximal talent from everybody who was
a United States citizen. Are we starting to do the
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same in the twenty twenties because of racial politics. I
think the answer is yes, and I think unfortunately it's
not the exact same story, but history rhymes, it doesn't repeat,
and the rhyme is Caitlin Clark isn't getting treated like
Tiger Woods or Serena Williams or Venus Williams. Why. I
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think because black women in the WNBA are convinced they
can't be racist, and they're not concerned at all about
welcoming Caitlin into their sorority, into their business, even though
that Caitlin Clark tied would make them all richer and
maybe you'd make more than seventy five thousand dollars a
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year because of all the new fans coming in. I
think this is such a huge, evocative moment, and I
think it connects with so much of what we're seeing
in far more significant and serious arenas. I'm gonna ask
Carol Marco, it's about this here in a minute. See
if she thinks I'm a moron, you may think I'm
a moron, and certainly you're welcome to call and tell
me too. Eight uh eight hundred two eight two two
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eight eight two is the phone number. Eight hundred two
eight two two eight eight two. Kate writes in you
made so much sense. I've been trying to figure all
this out myself. Awesome job, Clay. Happy Memorial weekend. Well Kate,
I love you. Thank you for having such great taste.
And how you're deciding to spend the Friday before your
Memorial Day weekend?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
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Speaker 1 (16:40):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us, and there are a
lot of you who want to weigh in. Let me
pull up and see who we want to go to first.
Matt and Maryland. What you got? I don't know if Matt, yeah,
(17:03):
we're here. You called us?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Hey, hey guys, oh Clay real quick. About two weeks
ago today I was at Brewer's Beach, So I got
to see your school there and it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Just just wanted to say the the CEO, the Reegi
Mangio anything. If you think about how the races were
if if the shooter was black, this would be ignored.
If the CEO was black, this would be about racism.
There'd be no fan girling over this guy. If either
of these people were black, there'd be no fan girling.
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There'd be no you know, the idiot saying, well, he's
righteous in what he's doing. You wouldn't have any of that.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Thank you for the call, because we've got to coming
up on a break. Let me give you a perfect
example of what you're arguing. Do you remember the Nashville
trans shooter. She went and shot white kids because she
was concerned she would be seen as racist if she
shot black kids. The brand's shooter who was going to
kill and did kill a bunch of elementary school kids,
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was concerned that people might consider her racist if she
killed black kids, so she went and killed white kids instead.
I mean, she's evil, but yet she was still willing
to follow prevailing left wing orthodoxy and be concerned about
what people thought about her, whether she was a racist
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So welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. By
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the way, I want to get Carol's take on this.
I have challenged Angel Reese, who hates Caitlin Clark, to
a basketball game to fifteen after I watched Angel Reese
miss like nine consecutive layups in a basketball game last night.
Ones and twos. I'm forty six, six foot one eighty five.
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Angel Reese is six foot three one sixty five. This
will be interesting. But Carol, have you seen this yet?
I'm texting it to you. So the Daily Wire wrote
about this and they picked a photo of the wrong
white guy, like they have they have misidentified this is
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It is the racism of the highest magnitude. They just
think they can put a white guy in a ball cap,
the beard and some God do you see this? I
don't even know who that is. Do you know who
that is?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I don't know. He looks like he just won maybe
a golf something.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So the headline is play Travis challenges w One of
my buddies just sent me this, like who is the
white guy? They used the wrong white guy picture for me?
They got Angel Reyese? Right, Good for them because they've
gotten the wrong black girl prob. Yeah, if they gotten
the wrong black girl photo, the company wouldn't exist anymore.
But they got the wrong white guy photo. So, first
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of all, I don't know how much time you've spent
in basketball analysis. How do you think I would do
against Angel Reese one on one?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
See?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
This is how you try to make me care about
women's basketball?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You would watch? Would you watch?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Watch?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yes? Of course everybody would watch this.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Watch. I like your quote. She plays basketball all the time,
I occasionally playing my fourteen year old in our backyard.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
That's accurate, that's one d percurate.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, I think you could take her. I think anybody
who is that fulon themselves it is ripe for being beat.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well, then certainly that would be a real battle of
egos between me and Angel. I am a little bit
concerned about my tendons and my and my ankles holding up,
so I'd only be able to play one game. But
I really think that I could beat her. She's got
me on a few inches, but I have her on
I think shooting ability, which is an indictment of her.
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She does play all the time. It's actually her job.
Do you know that you may not know this. Do
you know what the rookie salary is for WNBA players?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I don't tell me what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Seventy five thousand dollars a year. Legitimately, you get drafted
into the WNBA, they put it on television, and then
you get paid seventy five thousand dollars a year. All right,
wowrought we brought you on for a variety of serious things.
You didn't know what you were walking into.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
This before we get this serious, though, I looked up
that image that they had of you. It appears to
be just a model for sunglasses.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You like that. You can search images to see. So
they just picked a random white guy who was modeling sunglasses. Yeah. Again,
I think the company would cease to exist if they
had misidentified Angel Reese. But the fact that they have
just picked a random white guy as opposed to actually
using me is Oh. Some people are saying it looks
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like Chris Harrison from The Bachelor, which is which is
even funnier potentially. All right, So, uh, by the way,
happy early Memorial Day. Are you and the kids doing
anything anything special this weekend?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I'm at a history tournament, Clay, I'm at a history
tournament with my middle son for four days. So fo oh, yeah,
it's name.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So how does the history tournament work? Is that like
quiz bowl?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It is? It is. It's a bunch of nerdy kids
all staying in one hotel, and it's quite wonderful. Obviously,
I'm what I'm joking about it.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But what percentage of the questions do you know the
answer to?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I know approximately, Like on his regional competitions, I would
know about half at the nationals or international competitions that
he does. I know like ten percent.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So is it world history? Like they can be asked
anything under the sun.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
It could be anything.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, did they still have the bell? Like you have
to hit later? I would like to see the lizzer.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
You have to hit the buzzer. They're tough, they're tough questions.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
This is by the way I would I would be
super interested in this. And but four days? How many rounds?
I mean, how like that's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
It starts with you know, it starts with two rounds
and you have to advance and you know, so on.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So where is the tournament? What part of the country.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
It's in Orlando?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, Well, I mean there are worse places you could be.
I'm gonna be there next week to go to the
new Universal studios with my kids. Yeah. Uh so, well
that's a heck of a way to spend Memorial Day weekend.
That is a very parent answer. I have a question
for you. I know you're not a diehard sports person,
but I know you're well know in general, this idea.
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The reason we were talking about the Kaitlin Clark and
the reason that picture is up is. I was comparing
it to Tiger Woods comes into golf and everybody suddenly
cares about golf. A lot of you out there listening
to me right now watch the Master's Tournament that you
would have never watched if Tiger hadn't been involved. Then
you have Venus and Serena Williams come into tennis, and
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the number of people watching women's tennis, especially in the
United States, skyrockets. And now you have Kaitlin Clark and
way more people are paying attention to women's basketball. Venus,
Serena and Tiger were in general all welcomed with open
arms by golf and tennis. My theory on why Caitlyn
Clark is being disrespected and actually not welcomed at all
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is because of racism and because a lot of the
black women in the WNBA don't feel like there are
any consequences for being racist. And I think it actually
ties in with the larger culture, unfortunately, of what we've
seen happen with Israel since October seventh, where Jews are
seen as white and so people don't actually look at
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good or evil or even acknowledge their own behavior because
they feel like that is the system under which they're
viewing it. Do you see those disconnected or am I crazy?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Absolutely? No, I absolutely see that connection. And it's funny,
you know, funny, not funny. But my fifteen year old
daughter and I have this running joke that Jews are
whatever the worst thing is. So when it's white and
we're white, when it's not white and we're not white,
it's whatever the bad thing is. But yeah, absolutely, it's
who you're allowed to hate, who it's okay to hate
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openly and to do bad things too openly. And you're
right in making that connection because I think that's where
we are. Like some people, you're some racist, some religions
they're allowed to just talk negatively about openly, you know.
And obviously Christianity has the same issue, maybe on a
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less intense scale, but it's the same thing. Right, You
can make fun of Christians all you want. Try to
make fun of some other religions and you're not going
to be greeted with the same level of humor.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So no, I mean, it's a great example. I didn't
think about the Christian angle, but certainly think about the Olympics.
They made fun of the Last Supper in France, which
is a Christian nation in a way they never would
have made fun of Islam for instance, I mean they
would have. I mean, Charlie hipgo they all got killed
for putting a poster a picture of of Muhammed, but
mocking in sort of a disgusting fashion the Last Supper
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is perfectly Okay, that's a good analogy too. Let me
ask you this, you after October seventh, Well, you talked
about this, Buck, and I did yesterday. Buck said, Hey,
I want to teach Carol how to use guns. You've
got three young kids, and I think many Jewish people
in the wake of October seventh suddenly thought, even if
they hadn't traditionally been people who owned guns, hey it's
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time to go get guns now. We have to be
able to protect our family because the rising tide of
anti Semitism is sweeping across the world, and that certainly
is connected to the awful murder in Washington, d C.
We saw. Do you think that other Jews, based on
your conversations, are making this same decision when it comes
to weapons, and take us into conversations that you have
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had since the untimely and unfortunate and awful murder of
these two young Jewish people in Washington, d C. What
have conversations sounded like in the Jewish community.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Well, you're absolutely right. Well, first of all, I just
want to clarify the man in the couple was actually
a Christian. He was a dedicated Christian, his mom was Christian.
He had lived in Israel, he had served in the IDEF.
But he was a Christian Israeli. And that's sort of
the thing here. It's that these monsters who want to
harm Jews or harm people connected to Israel, they don't
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care if you're Jewish or not. They're going to hurt
whoever's around. They're not making calculated decisions as to who
to kill. They just sprayed bullets into people leaving an event.
It could have been anybody. So this idea that you know,
you absolutely need to protect yourself. Jewish spaces have been
amazing at it, terrisfically amazing at it. Had this person
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tried to go into the event, they would have not succeeded.
But he waited outside, which is really a dangerous place
for anybody leaving an event like this. That's where the
danger would come in because he wouldn't be able to
get through the security Having said all that, I've absolutely
seen such a shift in the Jewish community. I've written
about it in a number of different ways. I wrote
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about it before October seventh. I wrote a column called
the New Jew because I was at a Jewish comedy
show in Miami and it was a lot of different
Jewish comics and one of the Jewish comics started talking
negatively about guns and the crowd started booing her. And
I had never seen anything like it. I was a
fairly new fluridy. And you know, I've only been there
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three years. The Jewish community had long been anti guns.
And again this is before October seventh, this is January
twenty twenty three. So when the crowd started booing her,
I was like, Wow, something has really changed in the
Jewish world. And I hear from Jews all the time.
They're getting armed, they're getting trained, and it's really important
to do that. You know. Another thing I've written about
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in terms of guns is you don't you know people say, oh,
I'm not a gun person. When you say that, when
you say I'm not a gun person, you're saying I'm
not a helping other people person. I want to be
the kind of person that can step in and help. Therefore,
I am a gun person.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I think that is incredibly well said, and all over
Israel when I traveled in December, I saw moms carrying
guns on their hips now in a way that they
never would have before October seventh. I like your question
of basically like who you are allowed to hate? Because
(29:53):
I do think it goes to the embodiment here of
the Jewish faith is I mean Jewish people look around
and they say, we've been hated for thousands of years,
the idea that we would suddenly be and and by
the way, also have spoken up for so many other
groups that we beget believe have been oppressed or treated unfairly.
(30:15):
And then suddenly you look around and the people that
you have been fighting for don't have your back at all.
What has that realization been like?
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Well, it's interesting because I don't have that as much
because I'm a conservative, and I've been a lifelong conservative.
You know, I can't. I was born in the Soviet Union.
I came to America as a small child. You don't
become a liberal after that. So I was a conservative
my whole life, and my conservative world has been generally
amazing amazing on protecting Jews in America, amazing on Israel
(30:46):
in general. Conservative, the conservative side has been just above
and beyond. I mean, just you know, yesterday box sexon Now,
your co host posted some commentary about the shooting and
just how you know America won't stand for it, and
how Jews deserve to feel safe here and that kind
of thing, and I reposted it on my Instagram because
I wanted my liberal Jewish friends to see it, and
(31:08):
I posted, you know, if this isn't your friends today,
you don't want them. And my friends have been unbelievable.
You've been unbelievable. I feel such a warm embrace from
the conservative side. Having said all that, obviously there's been
an uptick on the right, all of people kind of
moving in a dangerous direction. I think the villainization of
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Israel on the right has been kind of scary. But
I also think it's still very limited. You still have
the people who kind of say bad things about Jews
or say bad things about Israel, even the canvase Owens
of the world. They still kind of have to dance
around it. You know, they'll always be like, I have
no problem with Jews, I have no problem with Israel.
I just have a problem with and then they'll say
(31:52):
something ye like not Yahoo or something the democratically elected
leader of Israel. So it's still far better to be
on the right than it is to be on the left.
And I understand why so many of my liberal Jewish
friends are feeling, you know, like they've lost their bearings.
They've they've stood with these people in a variety of
marches and causes and whatever, and these people don't have
(32:13):
their backs. And what I would say to them is
this is the time to have your eyes be open.
Realize who does stand with you. The Jewish vote for
Donald Trump, for example, increased by a lot this last time.
He got thirty percent in twenty twenty. I think it's
in the forties this time, and that should keep moving up,
because the right is a friend our friends to Jews,
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their friends to Israel, and Jews in America should wake
up and notice that.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Carol, your podcast is up. Everybody should be checking it
out if they aren't. As a part of the Clay
and Buck podcast network. Four days of quiz Bowl is
a heck of a long time of quiz bowls. We
appreciate you stepping away from that to hang out with us,
and good luck to your fifteen year old on dominating
the quiz bowl company.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Twelve year old, my twelve year old.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Twelve year old sorry, fifteen year old girl is the right?
This is the middle one, yes, middle one? All right,
good deal. Well we'll talk again soon, but keep up
the good work. Thank you, Carol Markwitz. I really do
highly impress upon you that you check out Obviously she
writes at the New York Post and does fabulous work there.
But I really do impress upon you if you haven't
checked out the Clay and Buck podcast network. We have
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a lot of super talented people from a variety of
different perspectives that I believe you will enjoy maybe, and
hows of time you can check it out because you're
on the road for Memorial Day looking for something to
listen to. I know I'm gonna be doing that tomorrow
as I go up to the Indy five hundred book
as we kind of are talking about the awfulness of
what happened to those two Israelis, right, I guess it
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was one Israelian one. I think the woman was born
in Kansas. If I'm not mistaken, it is Unfortunately reflective
of the rise in anti Semitism that we are seeing
not only in the United States but around the world.
I mean, it wasn't very long ago that the governor
of Pennsylvania's house was burned down, the Governor's mansion, by
someone who was trying to stand up they thought for Palestine,
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that the IFCJ is trying to fight back against. They've
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They even helped move entire hospital wing structures underground, which
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Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show. Strip club
owners are weighing in in big numbers about the importance
of diversity. Todd in Tampa says he does marketing for
strip clubs. Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Clay, I work in marketing in Tampa Bay and strip clubs.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
They need more diversity in the clubs. White girls, black girls,
Hispanic girls. Right now, there's a ton of Cuban girls
and customers are not spending their money. They want something different.
Try to get some Asian girls in here. That would
actually be very beneficial for us. All right, Clay, keep
doing a good job. Buck mischieon today, have a good one.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Just call me the MLK of strip clubs. Just trying
to bring all the racists together. It makes total sense
to me. I don't know that anybody else has ever
had that analogy and not worked in a strip club
for a living, But that is where you would everybody
would make more money. Everybody looks the exact same that
one type of guy spends a lot of money, nobody
(36:15):
else makes money. Girls all make less just trying to
make America great again in strip clubs as well. When
we come back, Frank Siller will join us Tunnel to
Towers Memorial Day weekend. We're going to talk about the
importance of so many people who have given so much
to this country and what they're trying to do to
help at Tunnel to Towers. Also, Governor of West Virginia,
(36:35):
Patrick Morrissey is going to join us at the bottom
of that hour all that's still to come, final hour
before the long weekend. We appreciate all of you, and
certainly we appreciate all of you who have family members
who have made the ultimate sacrifice that allow us to
celebrate all as one nation all around the country, with
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a lot of you already underway on those celebrations. We
appreciate the time you spend with us. When we come back,
Frank Siller and we will shift gears a little bit
talk Memorial Day impact with him all that more final
hour of the week.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Next Slay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines
of truth
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show Buck is out.
We'll be back with me on Tuesday. He's starting his
Memorial Day holiday weekend a little bit early, as I'm
sure many of you are as well. We got a
bunch of guests coming up on the back half of
the program, Carol Markoitz, Frank Siller, and West Virginia Governor
(00:22):
Patrick Morrissey all still to come. Lots of reaction rolling
in and you guys have been really great at this,
but a lot of you are reacting to Caitlin clark
analogy because I think it has struck you. And I
don't know that anybody else, frankly, would make the analogy
because even if you thought of it in sports, so
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many people are terrified of saying anything that could be
considered controversial in the realm of race. And to say, hey,
a white girl's being treated differently because she's a white girl,
it's like, oh my god, oh my goodness, how dare you?
And this email is actually great, and again, I just
want you to think about it in the context of
(01:06):
the culture and the idea of again a rising tide
lifted all boats. Last hour, I said, look, I wish
there was. It's you know, the NFL quarterbacks. Everybody's contract
comes up and they make more money. I'm always of
the opinion I want everybody to make as much money
as possible. I want everybody that does what I do
(01:30):
to make as much money as possible. Charlottage the God,
I want you swimming in a in a Scrooge McDuck
vault full of cash. Bobby Bones, I want you buying
your own plane. Sean Hannity. You already got your own plane,
but more power to you, by the way, not a
(01:50):
small plane either, like a really awesome, badass plane. Good
for Sean Hannity. Rush, We've been here four years. Rush
is the most six scessful person in the history of radio.
Howard Stern, back before he lost his mind. I want
all those people to make as much money as possible.
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I want them to be as successful as possible, because
a rising tide lifts all boats. I made this argument
a while back. You guys, remember when Tony Romo out
of Nowhere suddenly made seventeen million dollars to call NFL games.
Out of Nowhere Tony Romo, CBS had to pay him
seventeen million dollars a year to call games. You know
(02:33):
what ended up happening. Everybody else got nearly seventeen million
dollars to call games. You shouldn't, in my opinion, if
you are a capitalist, be angry when someone else in
your realm of life makes good money. You should be
looking at them, give them the thumbs up, and figure
out how to do it yourself and hopefully exceed what
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they do. That's how the golfers responded to Tiger Woods.
The Tiger tide lifted all boats. That's how the tennis
players responded to Venus and Serena Williams. The Venus and
Serena Williams tiede lifted all boats. All tennis players made
way more money. All golfers made way more money. People
(03:18):
who didn't look like most of the golfers and most
of the tennis players came in and made everybody more money.
Why isn't the same happening in the WNBA. I think
it's because racism in this country has convinced black women
(03:38):
that they can't be racist, and so unlike white golfers
and unlike white tennis players who were like, man, I'm
not going to do anything racist I'm going to make
sure that I welcome these people who look differently than me,
and everybody ends up benefiting as a result. A lot
of these black basketball players have decided that they hate
(04:01):
Caitlyn Clark, and a lot of you are reacting. I
wanted to read this email if I can find it.
This is from one of our VIPs. She's in Memphis, says, hey,
I play D one basketball, and she writes as follows,
You're so correct on this issue. I play D one
women's college basketball. I live in Memphis, a city I love,
(04:25):
but can be super racially hyper sensitive. My husband is
a public school administrator. We see it and live it
within the circles we live in. We're white. For Caitlin Clark,
it's not only because she's white, but also because she's straight.
There are a ton of lesbians as well. No shock
(04:47):
to a lot of you, I would imagine. But in
the WNBA, so Caitlin Clark has two differences compared to
the group that she is entering. She's white and straight
in a league that has a lot of black lesbians.
If she weren't so dominant, it wouldn't be an issue. Again,
this is according to one of our VIP's former D
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one basketball player. Other players are jealous of her. She said,
I never cared. This is our VIP emailer about paying
attention to the WNBA prior to her arrival. I took
my daughter to her first game last year. We drove
to Indianapolis. Two rose below us was a father and
(05:33):
an adult daughter from my hometown in Alabama. It was
their first game. Also, she has brought in many people
that did not support the league previously, and she says
in we're a big sports family and it's not. And
by the way, I appreciate the emails that thanks for
all you do. We appreciate you listening. But this is
(05:56):
what you want, right. Think about it. If you're a
business and your business has been let's be honest, the
WNBA business awful. And suddenly you get this meteor streaking
across the night sky, You get your Tiger, you get
your Venus or your Serena. The league should be losing
(06:20):
its mind over how excited they are every player. You
know what the average player rookie contract in the WNBA
is seventy five K. Now, I'm not trying to shoot
down seventy five K my starting salary as a warrior.
After I spent a three years, I made less than
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seventy five K. For much of my life I made
less than seventy five K. I'm not trying to denigrate it,
but there are dudes coming to work as plumbers now
making more money in their twenties than WNBA athletes. So like,
if the WNBA ladies though girls, they were just like, oh,
(07:03):
we don't want we're doing great without her, I'd be like, okay,
well I don't really get it, but the jealousy would
make sense. You're all gonna make more money. You might
make six figures. I saw the other day a girl
got fined in the WNBA. They kept a paycheck. It
was forty eight dollars. All right, I'm just saying I
(07:25):
did radio for fifty dollars a show, so I know
what it's like to not make much money. But when
you get fined, and you're fined for what you did
is less than a parking ticket, you're probably not making
a ton of money. It is so moronic. How does
it happen? Now? Some people out there they're sexist, and
(07:48):
they're like, well, it's just this how women are. Women
are super jealous. But it didn't apply in tennis. I
don't think it's gender based. I think it's race based,
and maybe, as the emailer said, sexuality based too. But
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it's also so counterproductive, and I worry that it is
unfortunately a metaphor for what is going on in the
country as a whole. This one's gonna get me in trouble.
Turn down the radio if you got young kids in
the car. I was saying, major issue is DEI. It's
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not so much the D or the I, it's the E, right,
It's equity instead of a quality. Because most of you
out there, well, look diversity. The diversity that matters is
diversity of thought, not diversity of skin color. But I
do think diversity of thought matters. If I run a
(08:58):
company and I got eight people sitting around on my
board and they all look different, but give me the
exact same advice, is that really helping me as a CEO?
Larry David made fun of this, the idea of cosmetic diversity.
There's a great scene in Curb Your Enthusiasm, a great
season in Curby Your Enthusiasm, where a white guy is
(09:21):
in charge of making all the creative decisions, but he
has like a woman in a wheelchair, and like a
gay trans person like sitting on the couch in his
room and all they do is nod. That is the diversity,
But he's still the dude making the decision. If I'm
asking people for advice, I want a variety of opinions.
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My wife used to get mad at me because I
would ask her for an opinion or advice, and then
I wouldn't do what she said. I did not a
smart guy. I didn't realize that. She was like, like,
I've given you thirty two straight advice points and you
haven't done any of them or what. But she's super smart.
To Innovaderbilt Law school, I want somebody super smart telling
(10:05):
me what they think to make sure that I'm not
missing something. Doesn't mean that I'm going to make the
choice that you suggest or follow your guidance completely. I
just want to make sure that I'm considering the entirety
of opinions. So diversity actually of thought makes total sense.
You are going to be successful more in life if
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you challenge your opinions. Then if you surround people who
always say, oh, you're right. So diversity of thought matters,
inclusion matters. You want to include as many different opinions
as possible, because I have the idea that this is
how you end up in a better place. The reason
why I think we're going to be more successful than
China in the long run is because China artificially circumscribes
(10:50):
or its people can be exposed to. And if you
can't see everything and consider everything, particularly in a modern
AI era, how do you come up with something new?
Newness is generally speaking, a conflict between two divergent perspectives. Boom,
it creates something new. All right, this keep now. I
(11:16):
told you to turn down the radio too quick. You
know the analogy that actually should get used that nobody
talks about. Strip clubs make way more money if the
girls look different. I'm just telling you, if you only
have a strip club and every girl is a blonde.
(11:36):
Maybe that exists in Sweden, I don't know, it doesn't
do as well as a Vegas style strip club where
every girl looks different. I'm just telling you. Strip club
is probably the greatest example of diversity working, because if
every girl looks the same, they're all competing for the
same dude. And a dude who might be interested in
(11:57):
something else he comes in he doesn't spend his money.
I don't know if we have any strip club operators
listening right now, but I guarantee the guy who gal
who runs a strip club is like clapping their hands together.
It's like, you're the first person to ever make this
analogy to millions of people on a radio show ever,
Probably for a reason, but it's true. The WNBA has
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an opportunity with a unique talent, the likes of which
has never existed in the history of the league, to
actually make people care about their product. And they hate
her because she's straight, and they hate her because she's white.
And what does the WNBA's response to Caitlin Clark in
a larger context tell us about not allowing the rising
(12:48):
tide to lift all boats. That certainly was the case
in the nineteen fifties because if you were black in America,
you had a lot less opportunities than a white kid did.
And that's a fin to me because it means we
didn't get the best maximal talent from everybody who was
a United States citizen. Are we starting to do the
(13:10):
same in the twenty twenties because of racial politics. I
think the answer is yes, and I think unfortunately it's
not the exact same story, but history rhymes, it doesn't repeat,
and the rhyme is Caitlin Clark isn't getting treated like
Tiger Woods or Serena Williams or Venus Williams. Why. I
(13:35):
think because black women in the WNBA are convinced they
can't be racist, and they're not concerned at all about
welcoming Caitlin into their sorority, into their business, even though
that Caitlin Clark tied would make them all richer and
maybe you'd make more than seventy five thousand dollars a
(13:56):
year because of all the new fans coming in. I
think this is such a huge, evocative moment, and I
think it connects with so much of what we're seeing
in far more significant and serious arenas. I'm gonna ask
Carol Marco, it's about this here in a minute. See
if she thinks I'm a moron, you may think I'm
a moron, and certainly you're welcome to call and tell
me too. Eight uh eight hundred two eight two two
(14:19):
eight eight two is the phone number. Eight hundred two
eight two two eight eight two. Kate writes in you
made so much sense. I've been trying to figure all
this out myself. Awesome job, Clay. Happy Memorial weekend. Well Kate,
I love you. Thank you for having such great taste.
And how you're deciding to spend the Friday before your
Memorial Day weekend?
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us, and there are a
lot of you who want to weigh in. Let me
pull up and see who we want to go to first.
Matt and Maryland. What you got? I don't know if Matt, yeah,
(17:03):
we're here. You called us?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Hey, hey guys, oh Clay real quick. About two weeks
ago today I was at Brewer's Beach, So I got
to see your school there and it was pretty cool.
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Oh awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Just just wanted to say the the CEO, the Reegi
Mangio anything. If you think about how the races were
if if the shooter was black, this would be ignored.
If the CEO was black, this would be about racism.
There'd be no fan girling over this guy. If either
of these people were black, there'd be no fan girling.
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There'd be no you know, the idiot saying, well, he's
righteous in what he's doing. You wouldn't have any of that.
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Thank you for the call, because we've got to coming
up on a break. Let me give you a perfect
example of what you're arguing. Do you remember the Nashville
trans shooter. She went and shot white kids because she
was concerned she would be seen as racist if she
shot black kids. The brand's shooter who was going to
kill and did kill a bunch of elementary school kids,
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the way, I want to get Carol's take on this.
I have challenged Angel Reese, who hates Caitlin Clark, to
a basketball game to fifteen after I watched Angel Reese
miss like nine consecutive layups in a basketball game last night.
Ones and twos. I'm forty six, six foot one eighty five.
(19:33):
Angel Reese is six foot three one sixty five. This
will be interesting. But Carol, have you seen this yet?
I'm texting it to you. So the Daily Wire wrote
about this and they picked a photo of the wrong
white guy, like they have they have misidentified this is
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It is the racism of the highest magnitude. They just
think they can put a white guy in a ball cap,
the beard and some God do you see this? I
don't even know who that is. Do you know who
that is?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I don't know. He looks like he just won maybe
a golf something.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So the headline is play Travis challenges w One of
my buddies just sent me this, like who is the
white guy? They used the wrong white guy picture for me?
They got Angel Reyese? Right, Good for them because they've
gotten the wrong black girl prob. Yeah, if they gotten
the wrong black girl photo, the company wouldn't exist anymore.
But they got the wrong white guy photo. So, first
(20:31):
of all, I don't know how much time you've spent
in basketball analysis. How do you think I would do
against Angel Reese one on one?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
See?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
This is how you try to make me care about
women's basketball?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You would watch? Would you watch?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Watch?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yes? Of course everybody would watch this.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Watch. I like your quote. She plays basketball all the time,
I occasionally playing my fourteen year old in our backyard.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
That's accurate, that's one d percurate.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, I think you could take her. I think anybody
who is that fulon themselves it is ripe for being beat.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well, then certainly that would be a real battle of
egos between me and Angel. I am a little bit
concerned about my tendons and my and my ankles holding up,
so I'd only be able to play one game. But
I really think that I could beat her. She's got
me on a few inches, but I have her on
I think shooting ability, which is an indictment of her.
(21:26):
She does play all the time. It's actually her job.
Do you know that you may not know this. Do
you know what the rookie salary is for WNBA players?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I don't tell me what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Seventy five thousand dollars a year. Legitimately, you get drafted
into the WNBA, they put it on television, and then
you get paid seventy five thousand dollars a year. All right,
wowrought we brought you on for a variety of serious things.
You didn't know what you were walking into.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
This before we get this serious, though, I looked up
that image that they had of you. It appears to
be just a model for sunglasses.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You like that. You can search images to see. So
they just picked a random white guy who was modeling sunglasses. Yeah. Again,
I think the company would cease to exist if they
had misidentified Angel Reese. But the fact that they have
just picked a random white guy as opposed to actually
using me is Oh. Some people are saying it looks
(22:25):
like Chris Harrison from The Bachelor, which is which is
even funnier potentially. All right, So, uh, by the way,
happy early Memorial Day. Are you and the kids doing
anything anything special this weekend?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I'm at a history tournament, Clay, I'm at a history
tournament with my middle son for four days. So fo oh, yeah,
it's name.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So how does the history tournament work? Is that like
quiz bowl?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It is? It is. It's a bunch of nerdy kids
all staying in one hotel, and it's quite wonderful. Obviously,
I'm what I'm joking about it.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But what percentage of the questions do you know the
answer to?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I know approximately, Like on his regional competitions, I would
know about half at the nationals or international competitions that
he does. I know like ten percent.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So is it world history? Like they can be asked
anything under the sun.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
It could be anything.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, did they still have the bell? Like you have
to hit later? I would like to see the lizzer.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
You have to hit the buzzer. They're tough, they're tough questions.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
This is by the way I would I would be
super interested in this. And but four days? How many rounds?
I mean, how like that's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
It starts with you know, it starts with two rounds
and you have to advance and you know, so on.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So where is the tournament? What part of the country.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
It's in Orlando?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, Well, I mean there are worse places you could be.
I'm gonna be there next week to go to the
new Universal studios with my kids. Yeah. Uh so, well
that's a heck of a way to spend Memorial Day weekend.
That is a very parent answer. I have a question
for you. I know you're not a diehard sports person,
but I know you're well know in general, this idea.
(24:12):
The reason we were talking about the Kaitlin Clark and
the reason that picture is up is. I was comparing
it to Tiger Woods comes into golf and everybody suddenly
cares about golf. A lot of you out there listening
to me right now watch the Master's Tournament that you
would have never watched if Tiger hadn't been involved. Then
you have Venus and Serena Williams come into tennis, and
(24:33):
the number of people watching women's tennis, especially in the
United States, skyrockets. And now you have Kaitlin Clark and
way more people are paying attention to women's basketball. Venus,
Serena and Tiger were in general all welcomed with open
arms by golf and tennis. My theory on why Caitlyn
Clark is being disrespected and actually not welcomed at all
(24:55):
is because of racism and because a lot of the
black women in the WNBA don't feel like there are
any consequences for being racist. And I think it actually
ties in with the larger culture, unfortunately, of what we've
seen happen with Israel since October seventh, where Jews are
seen as white and so people don't actually look at
(25:15):
good or evil or even acknowledge their own behavior because
they feel like that is the system under which they're
viewing it. Do you see those disconnected or am I crazy?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Absolutely? No, I absolutely see that connection. And it's funny,
you know, funny, not funny. But my fifteen year old
daughter and I have this running joke that Jews are
whatever the worst thing is. So when it's white and
we're white, when it's not white and we're not white,
it's whatever the bad thing is. But yeah, absolutely, it's
who you're allowed to hate, who it's okay to hate
(25:45):
openly and to do bad things too openly. And you're
right in making that connection because I think that's where
we are. Like some people, you're some racist, some religions
they're allowed to just talk negatively about openly, you know.
And obviously Christianity has the same issue, maybe on a
(26:08):
less intense scale, but it's the same thing. Right, You
can make fun of Christians all you want. Try to
make fun of some other religions and you're not going
to be greeted with the same level of humor.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So no, I mean, it's a great example. I didn't
think about the Christian angle, but certainly think about the Olympics.
They made fun of the Last Supper in France, which
is a Christian nation in a way they never would
have made fun of Islam for instance, I mean they
would have. I mean, Charlie hipgo they all got killed
for putting a poster a picture of of Muhammed, but
mocking in sort of a disgusting fashion the Last Supper
(26:40):
is perfectly Okay, that's a good analogy too. Let me
ask you this, you after October seventh, Well, you talked
about this, Buck, and I did yesterday. Buck said, Hey,
I want to teach Carol how to use guns. You've
got three young kids, and I think many Jewish people
in the wake of October seventh suddenly thought, even if
they hadn't traditionally been people who owned guns, hey it's
(27:01):
time to go get guns now. We have to be
able to protect our family because the rising tide of
anti Semitism is sweeping across the world, and that certainly
is connected to the awful murder in Washington, d C.
We saw. Do you think that other Jews, based on
your conversations, are making this same decision when it comes
to weapons, and take us into conversations that you have
(27:22):
had since the untimely and unfortunate and awful murder of
these two young Jewish people in Washington, d C. What
have conversations sounded like in the Jewish community.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Well, you're absolutely right. Well, first of all, I just
want to clarify the man in the couple was actually
a Christian. He was a dedicated Christian, his mom was Christian.
He had lived in Israel, he had served in the IDEF.
But he was a Christian Israeli. And that's sort of
the thing here. It's that these monsters who want to
harm Jews or harm people connected to Israel, they don't
(27:53):
care if you're Jewish or not. They're going to hurt
whoever's around. They're not making calculated decisions as to who
to kill. They just sprayed bullets into people leaving an event.
It could have been anybody. So this idea that you know,
you absolutely need to protect yourself. Jewish spaces have been
amazing at it, terrisfically amazing at it. Had this person
(28:15):
tried to go into the event, they would have not succeeded.
But he waited outside, which is really a dangerous place
for anybody leaving an event like this. That's where the
danger would come in because he wouldn't be able to
get through the security Having said all that, I've absolutely
seen such a shift in the Jewish community. I've written
about it in a number of different ways. I wrote
(28:35):
about it before October seventh. I wrote a column called
the New Jew because I was at a Jewish comedy
show in Miami and it was a lot of different
Jewish comics and one of the Jewish comics started talking
negatively about guns and the crowd started booing her. And
I had never seen anything like it. I was a
fairly new fluridy. And you know, I've only been there
(28:55):
three years. The Jewish community had long been anti guns.
And again this is before October seventh, this is January
twenty twenty three. So when the crowd started booing her,
I was like, Wow, something has really changed in the
Jewish world. And I hear from Jews all the time.
They're getting armed, they're getting trained, and it's really important
to do that. You know. Another thing I've written about
(29:17):
in terms of guns is you don't you know people say, oh,
I'm not a gun person. When you say that, when
you say I'm not a gun person, you're saying I'm
not a helping other people person. I want to be
the kind of person that can step in and help. Therefore,
I am a gun person.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I think that is incredibly well said, and all over
Israel when I traveled in December, I saw moms carrying
guns on their hips now in a way that they
never would have before October seventh. I like your question
of basically like who you are allowed to hate? Because
(29:53):
I do think it goes to the embodiment here of
the Jewish faith is I mean Jewish people look around
and they say, we've been hated for thousands of years,
the idea that we would suddenly be and and by
the way, also have spoken up for so many other
groups that we beget believe have been oppressed or treated unfairly.
(30:15):
And then suddenly you look around and the people that
you have been fighting for don't have your back at all.
What has that realization been like?
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Well, it's interesting because I don't have that as much
because I'm a conservative, and I've been a lifelong conservative.
You know, I can't. I was born in the Soviet Union.
I came to America as a small child. You don't
become a liberal after that. So I was a conservative
my whole life, and my conservative world has been generally
amazing amazing on protecting Jews in America, amazing on Israel
(30:46):
in general. Conservative, the conservative side has been just above
and beyond. I mean, just you know, yesterday box sexon Now,
your co host posted some commentary about the shooting and
just how you know America won't stand for it, and
how Jews deserve to feel safe here and that kind
of thing, and I reposted it on my Instagram because
I wanted my liberal Jewish friends to see it, and
(31:08):
I posted, you know, if this isn't your friends today,
you don't want them. And my friends have been unbelievable.
You've been unbelievable. I feel such a warm embrace from
the conservative side. Having said all that, obviously there's been
an uptick on the right, all of people kind of
moving in a dangerous direction. I think the villainization of
(31:30):
Israel on the right has been kind of scary. But
I also think it's still very limited. You still have
the people who kind of say bad things about Jews
or say bad things about Israel, even the canvase Owens
of the world. They still kind of have to dance
around it. You know, they'll always be like, I have
no problem with Jews, I have no problem with Israel.
I just have a problem with and then they'll say
(31:52):
something ye like not Yahoo or something the democratically elected
leader of Israel. So it's still far better to be
on the right than it is to be on the left.
And I understand why so many of my liberal Jewish
friends are feeling, you know, like they've lost their bearings.
They've they've stood with these people in a variety of
marches and causes and whatever, and these people don't have
(32:13):
their backs. And what I would say to them is
this is the time to have your eyes be open.
Realize who does stand with you. The Jewish vote for
Donald Trump, for example, increased by a lot this last time.
He got thirty percent in twenty twenty. I think it's
in the forties this time, and that should keep moving up,
because the right is a friend our friends to Jews,
(32:35):
their friends to Israel, and Jews in America should wake
up and notice that.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Carol, your podcast is up. Everybody should be checking it
out if they aren't. As a part of the Clay
and Buck podcast network. Four days of quiz Bowl is
a heck of a long time of quiz bowls. We
appreciate you stepping away from that to hang out with us,
and good luck to your fifteen year old on dominating
the quiz bowl company.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Twelve year old, my twelve year old.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Twelve year old sorry, fifteen year old girl is the right?
This is the middle one, yes, middle one? All right,
good deal. Well we'll talk again soon, but keep up
the good work. Thank you, Carol Markwitz. I really do
highly impress upon you that you check out Obviously she
writes at the New York Post and does fabulous work there.
But I really do impress upon you if you haven't
checked out the Clay and Buck podcast network. We have
(33:18):
a lot of super talented people from a variety of
different perspectives that I believe you will enjoy maybe, and
hows of time you can check it out because you're
on the road for Memorial Day looking for something to
listen to. I know I'm gonna be doing that tomorrow
as I go up to the Indy five hundred book
as we kind of are talking about the awfulness of
what happened to those two Israelis, right, I guess it
(33:38):
was one Israelian one. I think the woman was born
in Kansas. If I'm not mistaken, it is Unfortunately reflective
of the rise in anti Semitism that we are seeing
not only in the United States but around the world.
I mean, it wasn't very long ago that the governor
of Pennsylvania's house was burned down, the Governor's mansion, by
someone who was trying to stand up they thought for Palestine,
(34:00):
that is completely unacceptable, and that's one of the things
that the IFCJ is trying to fight back against. They've
rushed so much emergency aid to Israel, purchasing everything from
prepackaged emergency food, water, flashlights, building bomb shelters, fortifying emergency vehicles.
They even helped move entire hospital wing structures underground, which
(34:23):
we saw when we were there, because of the concern
about missiles that might otherwise be arriving in northern Israel.
The IFCJ has helped install nearly two hundred mobile bomb
shelters near bus stops. You can join us in supporting
the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews by calling eight
eight eight four eight eight IFCJ. That's eight eight eight
(34:45):
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go online to give at IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ
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Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show. Strip club
owners are weighing in in big numbers about the importance
of diversity. Todd in Tampa says he does marketing for
strip clubs. Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Clay, I work in marketing in Tampa Bay and strip clubs.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
They need more diversity in the clubs. White girls, black girls,
Hispanic girls. Right now, there's a ton of Cuban girls
and customers are not spending their money. They want something different.
Try to get some Asian girls in here. That would
actually be very beneficial for us. All right, Clay, keep
doing a good job. Buck mischieon today, have a good one.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Just call me the MLK of strip clubs. Just trying
to bring all the racists together. It makes total sense
to me. I don't know that anybody else has ever
had that analogy and not worked in a strip club
for a living, But that is where you would everybody
would make more money. Everybody looks the exact same that
one type of guy spends a lot of money, nobody
(36:15):
else makes money. Girls all make less just trying to
make America great again in strip clubs as well. When
we come back, Frank Siller will join us Tunnel to
Towers Memorial Day weekend. We're going to talk about the
importance of so many people who have given so much
to this country and what they're trying to do to
help at Tunnel to Towers. Also, Governor of West Virginia,
(36:35):
Patrick Morrissey is going to join us at the bottom
of that hour all that's still to come, final hour
before the long weekend. We appreciate all of you, and
certainly we appreciate all of you who have family members
who have made the ultimate sacrifice that allow us to
celebrate all as one nation all around the country, with
(36:57):
a lot of you already underway on those celebrations. We
appreciate the time you spend with us. When we come back,
Frank Siller and we will shift gears a little bit
talk Memorial Day impact with him all that more final
hour of the week.
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