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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition, Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
I know that many of you have already started your
Memorial Day weekend. Maybe you are listening by the pool,
maybe you are listening on the golf course or on
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the road as you begin your travel. Positive right off
the top four year low on gas prices. For those
of you as we enter the summer holiday travel season,
you have never paid less, certainly as a percentage of
the inflation that Joe Biden ran up to a large
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extent than what you are going to be paying for
gas this weekend. And that is a sign that the
Trump economy is beginning to pick up speed. Because I've
argued for some time on this program that the number
one way most people in America side how the economy
is going is by what you have to pay when
you fill up your gas tank. And we are at
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four year lows, and if you factor in the crazy
Biden inflation, the lows are even better because unfortunately, our
dollar has been devalued by the twenty plus percent increase
in prices that we saw during Biden's tenure. But we
got a lot to talk about today. Buck is out.
He'll be back on Tuesday, but I am solo with
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you here today. We got a bunch of guests in
the back half of the program. Carol Markowitz going to
join us at one point thirty. She is a part
of the Clay Travis buck Sexton Show podcasting network, and
she has been very outspoken on how anti Semitism as
well as the COVID chaos has impacted her own life.
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She has three young kids. She has podcasts normally about
being a mom with Mary Catherine Ham. We will talk
with her at one thirty Eastern about halfway through the program.
Frank Siller as wed into Memorial Day. Frank Siller from
Tunnel to Towers will join us in the third hour,
and then West Virginia Governor Patrick Morrissey. That is the
lineup of guests that we are headed into discussion with
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in the back half of the program. But I wanted
to start with an idea that I see linking a
lot of different aspects of the modern culture that we
are in, and sadly I was thinking quite a lot
about it in the wake of the murder of two
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innocent Jewish people in the streets of Washington, d C.
Because they happen to have the gall to be Jewish,
and that, you guys know, I'm a big history fan.
And the reason I love history is because nothing is
ever new. There is always a reflection in some way
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of a past history oracle story that is in some
way slightly different, but in many ways evocative of what
has happened before. And I want to do a little
bit of a deep dive here off the top, because
I'm seeing all these different connecting tendrils that to me
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are telling us that we are on a path that
we have to reject because I don't like where it's
leading us. And yes, Trump November fifth, twenty twenty four
was incredibly important, and there are lines of demarcations suggesting
that we are rejecting that path. But I actually saw
a connection between what happened in Washington, d C. And
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what we're seeing happen in the identity politics culture arena
in which we all live now. And so let me
kind of explain exactly where these connections are and how
I see them all creating a situation that is not
ideal for where we are headed. October seven, twenty twenty three,
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was the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust. It's
important because many of the people out there who have
been lecturing me and have been lecturing you about being
on the right side of history have actually managed, I think,
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quite thoroughly, to embrace the wrong side of history. They
think that they are history's heroes and they're actually history's villains.
And what I mean by that is this identity politics,
woke culture that was created is defined almost exclusively by
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the color of your skin. And this is not new.
I'm not someone who's going to sit around and say, hey,
racism didn't exist in the past. But the idea that
you should be defined by the color of your skin,
and that in a larger context it defines whether or
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not you are good or evil in some way has
become deeply embedded in the Democrat Party now and it
has become an article of faith on the left for
sure in this country. And I think October seventh opened
a lot of your eyes to this, because suddenly Jewish
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people who are the most profoundly attacked throughout history, certainly
for the last several thousand years, they found out that
because they happened to look white, that they were considered
to be white. And when all of the people from
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Gaza came in on October seventh and slaughtered and raped
and kidnapped innocent Jewish people, I think many Jewish people
looked around and said, wait a minute, how is it
that we are seen as the bad guy here when
we were directly attacked on October seventh. And the only
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reason why they are seen as the bad guy is
because they are seen as white and the Palestinians are
seen as brown. And in this modern identity politics world
that has been created, I was thinking about it in
the context of the South African white farmers who represent
seven percent of the population in South Africa. We have
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not swung from if you're black in America you are
a second class citizen to equality. We have swung from
if you're white in America, in the minds of many
people on the left, you are a problem. And it
is a pernicious racial identity policy that has been created
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where the idea is only that white people are bad
now and brown skinned people are good. And I don't
know that anybody really elucidates this because it makes people
uncomfortable to have a conversation like this, but it actually
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undergirds the entirety of what's going on in the United
States and to a large extent, around the world. And
so there is this idea that if you are white,
you are a problem and anything that is done to
you is justified if it's being done by someone who
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is a minority or is seen as brown skinned. And
I don't think we're doing enough to talk about it,
and I don't think we're doing enough to have a
real conversation about it. And I think the world would
change immensely if we could. I tweeted this out, but
I've been thinking about it a lot. If we would
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adopt basically two truths that I believe are self evident,
and I'll start with the first. It is white, Black, Asian,
and Hispanic people are all capable of being racist. There
has been embedded critical race theory, this idea that only
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white people can be racist. If you decided that because
of the color of your skin you could never do
anything wrong, how would that change the way that you behaved.
And we've got people hugely different backgrounds listening to us
right now, and you're nodding along because if you're Black,
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you're like, yeah, I know quite a few, but people
who are black racist, And if you're Hispanic, you're nodding along,
You're saying, yeah, you know, I know people who are
racist and Hispanic. And if you're Asian, you're nodding along,
you're saying, yeah, you know. In my family there are
people who are racist and white people. Yeah, certainly they
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are racist. White people too. All races are capable of racism.
And if you will adopt that, and a lot of
people would disagree with that, if you will adopt that premise,
the next step should be, let's judge individuals, as kind
of a famous guy said about sixty years ago, on
the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
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And what you are seeing far too often in America
today is incident happens, and there almost immediately is a
defense of that incident based on the race of the
people involved. I was thinking about it in the context
of what we saw happen down in Texas, young black
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teenage kids stabs a white kid in the heart, raises
five hundred thousand dollars. I was thinking of it in
the context of much less serious But some of you
probably saw this go viral. White mom in a playground
racially insults a young black kid, and she also raises
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massive amounts of money. And the world in which we
are creating this schematic is actually in no way beneficial.
It's actually just taking us back to the nineteen fifties
in America, and we have this idea, oh, well, we
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have advanced, and there's all these different aspects of life
that have changed. And that's certainly true, and there are
many positive things. But again from a historical perspective, a
lot of the arguments that you are starting to hear
in the United States actually sound like a lot of
the arguments that were made in the nineteen five fifties
in the United States. And so when I look at
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what happened in Washington, d C. When I look at
the stabbing that happened in Texas, as we're getting into
this Memorial Day weekend here, what I would suggest we
need to have and we should have is a conversation
about personal responsibility, and it should be divorced from anybody's race,
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because to me, the least interesting thing about someone is
the choices that they didn't make. Nobody chooses their gender,
I know, trust me. We all know that's mostly bs, right.
Nobody chooses their gender, nobody chooses their race. To allow
yourself to be defined by an identity that you didn't
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choose is actually, to me the antithesis of what the
United States should represent. So I'm going to open up
phone lines. Probably a lot of you are feeling this too.
And this idea of deciding who is the hero and
who is the villain based on the color of their
skin is not a new one, but it's actually dragging
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us back into the nineteen fifties. And I think a
lot of Jewish people are looking around in the wake
of the double murder that happened in cold blood on
the streets of Washington, d C. And they're seeing that
these chants globalize. The Intifada that all of these college
kids were part of is actually spreading, and it's pernicious
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and it's nasty, and it's all rooted in the concept,
which is old, older than any of us, that your
guilt or innocence, that your good or evil nature is
defined not by the choices that you make, but by
the color of your skin. And I think the legacy
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media is a huge part of this. Frankly, I think
a lot of left wing white people have bought into
this idea, which is which is wild. I don't know
that we've ever seen anything like it where one racial
group decides that their race is evil. And I just
think this is a big conversation point as we sit
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here rolling into Memorial Day weekend, because I'm seeing different
parts of it pop up throughout the culture. And heck,
I even at the bottom half of this hour will
analogize it to the world of sports, and I think
a lot of you are going to say, Wow, this
is maybe more toxic than I had thought, as it
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pertains to how Caitlin Clark, of all people, might be
treated in the WNBA, and how to me, we are
going backwards at a time when we should be going forwards.
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Travis buck Sexton Show. I'm talking about the idea which
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race defines whether you are good or evil. In a
particular incident, and the fact that I think many Jewish
people have looked around and said, we've been discriminated against
for thousands of years, and they're just seen as white.
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And that's why a lot of protests have come out
in favor of Palestinians. I want to give you an
idea here that I'm going to build on a bit more.
It's not just in the world of serious things talked
about the murder of the high school kid down in Texas,
the murder of the two innocent Jewish people on the
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streets of Washington, DC. Look at what's going on right
now in women's basketball. Caitlin Clark is a meteor streaking
across the night sky. Whatever you think about her, she
is bringing a level of attention that has never existed
in the history of women's professional basketball. In so doing,
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she's not dissimilar to Tiger Woods and what he did
to the world of golf, and Venus and Serena Williams
and what they did to the world of women's tennis.
Yet Caitlin Clark is being attacked the likes of which
we haven't seen ever in my history as a sports
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it's because she's white and she's in a predominantly black league.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Buck. We'll
be back with me on Tuesday, right after a Memorial
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Day weekend. He's out getting an early start on the weekend,
got a bunch of guests coming back half of the show.
But I'm kind of diving into a big picture idea here.
On Friday, headed into the holiday weekend, and I said
two big important truths. One, all racist can be racist. Second,
you don't cure racism with more racism. And I've been
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thinking a lot about both of these things because just
in the last couple of weeks, but even this week,
you had South Africa the big conversation about white farmers
being murdered because they're white. You had two Jewish people
killed by a free Free Palestine protester on the streets
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of Washington, DC just a few months ago. Last couple
of months, you had a young white kid get stabbed
in the heart by a black kid in Texas the
high school track meet. Black kid raises five hundred thousand dollars,
gets to graduate out on bail for not that much money.
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Then you had the white mom walking around at a
playground on video insulting a black kid. She raises five
hundred thousand dollars. And it feels to me like race
has become more toxic today than it was when I
was growing up in the eighties and the nineties, in
the early two thousands, and then we're actually going backwards
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and we're starting to see some of the same arguments
made in the nineteen fifties made now in the twenty twenties.
And how does that happen? I would submit it is
the idea that racism only exists in one way, that
white people can be racist against black people in base.
No other racism exists anywhere in the United States, and
the conversation that we're having has created a broken dynamic
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whereby if it's not white to black racism, it's mostly ignored.
I gave an example earlier this week. You may have
heard it. Remember Stop Asian Hate. That media was trying
to tell you that Asian people were being attacked because
Trump supporters were angry over COVID, And for about three
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or four weeks, Stop Asian Hate was trending, everybody was
talking about it, and then all the videos started going
viral of who was actually attacking Asian people, and it
was almost always black guys beating up Asian people, and
the story vanished because the wrong people were being racist,
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and so it wasn't even talked about it. You don't
even hear of stop Asian hate anywhere now. Media just
snuffed it out because if it had been white guys
walking around knocking out Asian people, you'd still be here
about it. Wrong. People were behaving badly, and I used
it right as we went to break the analogy that
it's very counterproductive and actually works against everyone. But you
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can see it right now in the world of sports.
And I was thinking about this and how all of
these things that are different areas culturally are connecting. Think
about how Caitlin Clark is being treated in the WNBA
right now. Black female WNBA players are beating the crap
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out of Caitlin Clark on a level that we've frankly
not ever really seen before in a modern era. And
I think it's because they're jealous and they hate Caitlyn
Clark because she's a white girl and she's getting a
lot of attention and she may be better at the
game of basketball than them. And you can say, well,
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that kind of thing, maybe it's happened before, But I'm
a sports guy, and I'm a sports I'll open up
phone lines eight hundred and eight two two eight eight two.
I can't ever remember seeing it happen before. In fact,
the exact opposite. When you've had minorities in a traditionally
white sports, they've lifted the tide of money and been
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welcomed with open arms. Think about what Tiger Woods did
for golf. Golf is and still is mostly white dudes. Now.
I know other people play golf too, but if you
look on the professional level, there's a lot of really
good white dudes that play golf. Tiger, particularly in nineteen
ninety seven when he came in, looked a lot different
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than the average golfer. You know what happened. Tiger brought
in a whole new audience of fans. Television ratings skyrocketed,
it got hard to get tea times, club memberships, the
golf club sales, New golfers got involved in the game.
It's probably some of you listening to me right now
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never would have played golf if Tiger Woods hadn't captivated
you in a way that the older golfers had not.
It was great for the sport. Tiger is the greatest
thing to ever happened to golf in my life. Golf
is still benefiting from Tiger. Tons of new fans, the
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Tiger tide lifted all boats and everybody made way more money.
This is how inclusion should work. This is how diversity
should work. New guy comes in, brings tons of new fans,
way more eyeballs, television ratings, everybody gets richer. It's actually
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great story. Not just golf, not even just men's sports.
Look at what Venus and Serena Williams did for tennis.
Tennis also very white sport minorities come into ten start
to dominate play at a high level. Venus and Serena
Williams sisters, massive increase in ratings, massive increase in prize money.
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Venus and Serena Williams tiede lifts all boats. That's not equity,
that's diversity. Somebody looks different, and that's inclusion. They get
to compete and the result is everybody makes more money.
They're all treated actually equally inside of the sport. So
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white people in golf, Tiger, let's all make more money.
Mostly white people in tennis, Venus and Serena Williams, let's
all make more money. Virtually no negativity addressed towards Tiger,
Venus or Serena on a large scale at all, As
they came into a sport looking different than the majority
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of the people competing in the sport. Compare it with
Caitlin Clark. Girl comes into a majority black league. They
hate her. She brings more viewership than you've ever seen
in the WNBA in the history of the sport. She
sells more tickets than have ever been sold in the
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history of the sport. That Caitlin Clark tied is going
to lift all sports, all boats. And the majority of
the black people in the league seem to want to
kill her and hate her and disrespect her on the
court on a level that did not occur with Tiger
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And did it happen with Venus and Serena? How does
that happen? Been thinking about it a lot, the historical analogy.
In general, all of us should want to make more
money at what they do. I never complain about anybody
who makes money doing radio. I want everybody to make
as much money on radio as possible. White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight.
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If you're a transmiget, you're making forty million dollars a year,
I want to give you a high five with your
tiny little hand slapping into my big hand. Good for you, transmidget.
I want everybody to make it as much money as possible.
Worked in golf, worked in tennis. Why isn't it working
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in the WNBA, I would submit to you. It's because
the black women in the WNBA don't think they can
be racist. I'm not saying there weren't racist golfers. I'm
not saying there weren't racist tennis players. But every single
person knew when Tiger, Venus and Serena came into their
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leagues that if they did or said something racist, or
behaved in any way racist, their careers would be over.
Because the consequences of racism for a white person were
so severe that you could go from being really good
at sport making millions of dollars to having no career overnight.
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And as a result, boom, everybody ends up making more money.
And I don't even think anybody would make an argument
that Tiger and Venus and Serena weren't amazing for golf
and tennis. Why is that the same thing happening in
the WNBA. It's because the majority black players in the
WNBA don't think they can be racist. They aren't making
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a rational decision, they're behaving emotionally, and they hate Caitlyn
Clark because she's a white girl and she's the best
at what should be their sport. And I think that
can be representative of how toxic racism can be. Because
the black players, I think are being racist against Kaitlyn Clark,
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I really do. I think the reason she's being treated
differently is because they don't believe there are any consequences
for their racism, because they've all been raised in an
era where racism only can be white to black and
when was racism prevalent in sports the nineteen fifties. History
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doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes, and what we're
seeing in the twenty twenties is a rhyming of what
we saw in the nineteen fifties and before, and it
actually is taking us back in time. And the people
who are doing it, I would argue, primarily are our
left wingers who are now making the same arguments were
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in graduation season. Hey we need a separate black graduation
for Harvard, which is being sued right now by Trump
by the way, Hey we need a separate Hispanic graduation
for Harvard. Hey, we need a separate Asian graduation for Harvard,
one of the most illustrious schools, if not the most
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illustrious school in the nation, has actually bought into the
idea that the best way to celebrate achievement is by
segregating the achievers. Well hold on, that was separate but equal.
A lot of so called left wing progressives are now
making the same arguments publicly that nineteen fifties white racists made.
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This is not a positive direction, and the reason almost
no one talks about it is the idea that only
white people can be racist, which frankly, tons of white
left wing people believe, but it's just not true, and
I think it isn't reflected in any of your own lives.
As I said earlier, we got a lot of people,
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a lot of different backgrounds listening right now. Every single white, Asian, Hispanic,
and Black person listening right now, you probably at some
point have heard someone from your race say something that
would be racist or could be construed as racist. And
I think when you look at the way that Caitlin
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Clark is being treated right now, we're actually seeing a
backwards regression in race relations in this country. And I
think it's reflected in the stabbing that took place in
Texas at the track meet. I think it's reflected in
the way two Jewish people were unfortunately just killed on
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the streets of Washington, d c our nation's capital for
being Jewish. I think it's reflected in a viral video
where a white mom is using racial slurs. Obviously there's
a difference in terms of criminal versus just spoken word,
but I do think there is a racial toxicity in
this country that is largely occurring and reflective of past
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seventy five year ago trends because we have created and
bought into the idea that racism only goes one way,
and until we have a larger conversation and say, hey,
judging anybody based on the color of their skin is wrong,
then this is going to continue. And the reason why
I think it's wrong, by the way, to extend that
any of you out there have any question. If you
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are capitalist, you want everyone. This is what frustrates me
about a lot of our politicians. The goal of politicians,
in my opinion, and the goal of government in general,
should be to get out of the way and let
individual excellence succeed. I want all of you, regardless of
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your backgrounds, to achieve the highest level of your individual talents.
That's why I love sports, because it is the ultimate meritocracy.
This is why women having to compete against men is
so offensive to me personally, because it's not the best
man pretending to be a woman who wins a championship.
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It's the best man or the best woman. And guess what,
it doesn't matter where you're from, doesn't matter what your
dad of your your mommy did. The rules inside of
competition in sport apply evenly to everyone, and I think
we should be making America look more like that, more
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of an even playing field, more of a meritocracy. The
best man or woman wins, And unfortunately, what we are creating,
I think is a broken system where we're not allowing
everybody to achieve their utmost because too many people are
being judged on what we think they look like, on
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their identity, as opposed to the content of their characters.
So I'm fired up about this, and I've been thinking
about it a lot as I've been writing a book
partly focused on this. But as I've seen all these
different threads coming together just in the last couple of weeks,
I think they're all pushing us in the same direction
and telling us the same story, and I don't think
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it's a good one. I'll take some of your call.
I know it's a big topic on the Friday before
Memorial Day, and a lot of you are like, Hey,
I just want to get to the beach. I just
want to get a hot dog and a hamburger and
have a couple of beers. You know, I get it,
But I also think it's an important conversation to have.
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Speaker 1 (35:53):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show. A lot
of you, not surprisingly want to weigh in. Let me
hit some of your calls. We'll also roll this over
to the top of the next hour as we get
ready for a bunch of guests here on the Friday
before Memorial Day, Mark in Colorado, Jewish Trump supporter, Thanks
for calling in what you got for us?
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Hey, thanks Clay, I'm the maggatude, but yeah, I just
want to thank all the nangis out there that have
just been kind of fighting for us, sticking up for us,
talking about what's going on, because I just feel like
you guys are doing it more than my own people,
which kind of ticks me off. But you know, I
just wanted to thank you everybody that's shaded up for us.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Thank you for the call. Look, anyone that is killed
or attacked because of something that they are in any way, race, gender, ethnicity, religion,
it's wrong. And if your worldview doesn't allow you to
call it out, I would submit to you that your
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worldview is wrong and that call how many people? And
then we talked about elan Omar. She basically wouldn't respond
to a question about the murders. AOC suddenly says, oh,
this is unacceptable. But they've been refusing to call out
what happened on October seventh, and I think that's one
reason we saw what happened in DC.
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