June 6, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the explosive political and business fallout from the public rift between President Donald Trump and tech mogul Elon Musk. Broadcasting solo while Buck Sexton is away, Clay Travis offers a detailed psychological and strategic analysis of the Trump-Musk feud, which erupted over disagreements related to government spending, NASA leadership, and AI policy. Clay frames the conflict as a clash between two powerful entrepreneurial minds—Trump, the seasoned political builder, and Musk, the impulsive, high-achieving founder frustrated by the slow pace of government bureaucracy. Clay argues that Elon Musk, despite being the most successful capitalist in modern history—leading Tesla, SpaceX, X (formerly Twitter), Neuralink, and more—struggled with the limitations of government operations. Musk’s frustration, according to Clay, culminated in an emotional outburst on social media, including a controversial and unsubstantiated claim linking Trump to the Epstein files. Clay strongly refutes this accusation, calling it illogical and politically implausible, especially given the Democrats’ long-standing efforts to discredit Trump. Listeners are treated to Clay’s unique perspective on the psychology of founders versus political operators, comparing Musk’s rapid, risk-taking style to Trump’s more pragmatic, deal-making approach. Clay also reflects on the broader implications of Musk’s role in politics, his acquisition of Twitter as a win for free speech, and the potential for reconciliation between the two influential figures. The hour also includes listener calls reacting to the Trump-Musk drama, with comparisons to Ross Perot’s outsider challenges and speculation about Musk’s political motivations. Clay emphasizes that this is a pivotal moment in the intersection of tech, politics, and media, and encourages continued engagement as the story unfolds. This episode is a must-listen for anyone following the evolving relationship between President Donald Trump and Elon Musk, the future of conservative politics, and the role of tech billionaires in shaping American governance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Buck is out.
We'll be back together in DC next week. I am
told that I have a tan. You may have seen
me on such programs as Jesse Waters on Fox News,
where I was described as looking like I Believe Bacon
with a beard, which was a heck of a line
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by him. Some of you are watching right now on video.
I think my tan is amazing. I think it somewhat
resembles John F. Kennedy back in the nineteen sixties, not me,
but the Tan before he was assassinated. So I'm hoping
that my beautiful fan will not be followed by an assassination.
Of not going to be writing around in any convertibles
without rooftops anytime soon in Dealey Plaza. But we have
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got all sorts of chaos to dive into with you.
And as I know Buck was addressing yesterday right in
the final hour when the Donald Trump versus Elon Musk
fireworks started, I have got deep dive psychological analysis also
some humor that I hope to pepper with all of
(01:12):
you as we roll through the Friday edition of the
program here and head you into the weekend. A little
bit of housekeeping. Newt Gingrich will be with us in
the third hour, and OutKick reporter dan Zak Sheesky a
scheduled to join us in the second hour. And certainly
we will take your calls and your reactions to everything
that is going on.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I met a lot of you. I have been out.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
My kids got out of school on Tuesday, and so
I was on the road with them as a result,
doing dad related travel. Someone told me, and I think
do think there's a lot of truth to it that
once you have kids, you no longer take vacations. You
take family trips, and that is a very different thing,
particularly when your kids are young. Although my kids are
now seventeen, fourteen, and ten, and so they are aging
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up there. And so we went to amusement parks. I
think you guys played my Tom Cruise Mission Impossible analysis
last week with Buck, which was as usual. Buck doesn't
like fun things. He would have been miserable. It's a
super crowded, hot amusement park. But we went to the
new Universal Studios amusement park that opened in Orlando. Took
the boys there, met many of you all over the place,
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and then I'd never been to Atlantis and the Bahamas.
We'll have some fun talking about that maybe a little
bit later in the program. But I met a lot
of you all over the place, and I appreciate everybody
who comes up and says HI. When you were also
on your vacations, often with your own families. I was
also with Buck. We had an amazing iHeart event in
West Palm Beach for all of our advertisers. I got
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to meet bucks brand new baby James for the first time.
I think there are pictures. Alley's more on top of
these things than I am on social media. I'm not
very good at taking photos. I can send messages, but
I am not a photo guy. But I believe there
are pictures up of the baby. We had an awesome time.
We met with a lot of our great advertisers over
the past several days. I am now back at home
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in Nashville and looking forward by the way next week
just texting we are set up to be meeting a
lot of people in DC next week. We're gonna be
at the Pentagon with Pete Hegseth. We're going to be
at the White House with Donald Trump. We are hopefully
going to be able to meet up with Marco Rubio
and many others. We will have quite a few senators
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and representatives in our DC studios next week, so we literally,
as I set down, we are texting to get a
bunch of those details ironed out with you for all
of next week when we should have a lot of
in person guests and should be pretty fantastic. So all
that coming on the horizon. But the fallout from yesterday's
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Elon Musk Donald Trump big breakup over the Big Beautiful
Bill is what is continue you doing to resonate all
over the political universe, all over the business universe. Basically
the number one can't miss story conflict between Elon Musk,
the richest man in the world, and Donald Trump, the
(04:13):
most powerful man in the world. What's my take? First,
we told you that this would likely happen because Elon Musk.
I'm going to psycho analyze these guys and explain why
this is likely to happen why. I think it also
is not indicative of a long term breach, but is
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I think been building for some time, and I think
there were a lot of sort of signposts that you
could point to. So let's start on the side of
Elon Musk, because it seems to me that he is
by far the angriest over the over the situation right now.
Elon is used to having complete and total control. He
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is a dictator at every company that he runs, and
he has been a very benevolent and successful dictator at
all of those companies.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They are wildly successful.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I believe that Elon Musk is the most successful capitalist
who has ever existed in the history of capitalism. I
don't think that's hyperbole when you consider what he has
done with Tesla, when you consider what he has done
with SpaceX, what he has done with Twitter, slash x,
now with x Ai, what he has done with the
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boring company, what he has done with I was on
the golf course with the LifeLock CEO and founder Todd Davis,
and he was talking about how impressed he is with
Neuralink and what Musk has done there, and it is
receiving a small amo amount of attention. I think Elon
Musk is the CEO basically of five different public companies simultaneously,
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all of which are fabulously successful. We truly have never
seen anything like what he is been able to do,
and these companies are doing things that many other people
believed were impossible. No one thought that you could replace
the internal combustion engine with electric vehicles. No one thought,
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by and large, hey, it's possible to be better at
designing spaceships than NASA, even though NASA has a seventy
year headstart. What Elon Musk has done is amazing. Here's
the problem. It requires a skill set that is massively
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risk taking, moves rapidly and breaks things. It is entrepreneurial
in nature. It is by and large not a management job.
Founders think and behave differently than people who are in management.
That's oftentimes why the number of founders that can transition
from creating a company to building it into a huge,
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vibrant entity is rare. Because the skill set to create
something new and then the skill set to manage something
new is oftentimes very different. And so I have said,
and Buck has said on this program, we told you
this was coming, that Elon Musk was going to get
hyper frustrated over how slow government moves. I am a
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penprick as successful as Elon Musk. The reason I didn't
want to practice lawful time was it moved way too
slow for me.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I'm a young litigator.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You pinpoint the issues at play, you say, hey, this
is what needs to be resolved, this is what needs
to be fixed. This is the answer to the question.
And then, and many of you are lawyers listening right now.
It is basically a procedural battle. As a litigator for years,
and to me, it was boring, plotting. It didn't move
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fast enough. I was frustrated. I am somewhat impatient. Government
is that times a thousand. So you have this uniquely
talented builder of businesses, the likes of which we have
never seen, who is coming into the government. Looks around,
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says man, this is being run in a shabby, unsuccessful fashion.
These are the things that need to be done. I'm
going to bring in my brilliant financial engineers. We're going
to dive into the federal government books. We're going to
recognize all of these different things that are inefficient, outdated,
where the taxpayer is not getting best value for his dollars.
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And even though we recognize all these things, government is
going to move slowly to address them. And in the meantime,
I'm going to get ripped to the high heavens because
I am disrupting government and all of the businesses that
I have created I'm talking for evil, are going to
suddenly become persona non grada. I mean, we had left
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wingers fire bombing electric vehicles because they were angry that
Elon Musk was trying to bring more financial discipline to
the government. And so I think Elon was terribly frustrated.
Remember he said he wanted to erase around two trillion
dollars in spending. It looks like the numbers going to
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end up being around one hundred and sixty billion dollars.
I don't think he was able to accomplish what he
wanted to and what he probably should have been able
to accomplish if he had the same power that he
has as the leader of all his companies. And so
I think his anger had been building for some time.
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And then Trump yesterday in the Oval office, said, Hey,
I basically I'm paraphrasing appreciate what Elon was going to do,
but we would have won the election even without his involvement.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Argue that or not.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And Elon decided that that was ungrateful. And you combine
it with the fact that Trump had not decided to
elevate the guy that he wanted to be in charge,
Elon of NASA. And you also add up that he
was frustrated over some of the AI decisions that were
being made by Trump, and all of those compounding frustrations
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led to Elon going off yesterday on Twitter. And my
thoughts on social media in general are it could be
both the best and the worst thing, because what it
does give you is a direct view into the emotions
of the moment. But the emotions of the moment aren't
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always the healthiest. And I'm going to go old school
here legitimately and tell you an example. Abraham Lincoln, when
he was president, would get so frustrated that he would
write entire angry letters to subordinates. He would then wait
twenty four hours before he would send the letter. Now,
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letter by mail is very different than tweets, but Lincoln
understood that the passions of the moment and the way
he felt as he wrote the article, as he wrote
his letter might not exist twenty four hours from now.
It's a brilliant strategy. Put it in your desk, wait
twenty four hours, reread it. He would then decide, oftentimes
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whether he wanted that letter sent to his subordinates. Most
of the time, he said he did not. The cathartic
nature of writing the letter allowed for his anger to
be expressed and for it to then diminish. I have
said for some time, imagine what tweets would be sent
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if there were a twenty four hour waiting period before
the tweet could be sent. Same thing could be said
for you if you don't tweet for the text that
you send. What if you could only send ten texts
in a week. You would make sure that they were really,
really well crafted. You would also make sure that they
weren't particularly emotional. My wife says that I don't have
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to worry about any of this because the reason why
I will never need any form of is because I
have the unique job where I get to sit down
on live radio every single day, tell you guys every
single word I think, and then when I'm done after
three hours, I have no weight on my shoulders at all.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I just step right out of the radio studio.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
My therapy is I said exactly what I wanted to
say for three hours. Everybody out there could hear it.
You could like it, you could not like it. I
got no weight on my shoulders. There's a lot of
truth to that. I think this had been building for
a long time with Elon. I think it was a
mountain of frustration. I think that yesterday that was the
tipping point. It wasn't any one thing, as most issues
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are when people lose their temper. It was a hey,
this happened, then this happened, then this happened. And if
you are a founder, if you are an entrepreneur, you
know that feeling where you wake up and you don't
control your day and basically people just put. If you're
a small business owner, twenty different things pile up, all
of which you have to manage because it's your responsibility.
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Elon has been able to bear an immense amount of weight.
I think the NASA decision by Trump, I think the
AI machinations, I think all of the pressure that has
been brought to bear by the media. I think it
finally just exploded. And I think he does not have
elon great impulse control. This is one reason perhaps he
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might have fourteen different children by seven different women. There
are goods and bads of many different aspects of life.
As I said, the greatest capitalist who's ever existed, may
not have the greatest impulse control ever, and so he
got angry and he decided to fire away at Trump.
(14:11):
I actually think Trump has been remarkably fairly restrained in
his response to Elon, because I think Elon is more
emotional than Trump is. I think Elon is more frustrated.
We come back. I'll give you my thesis here on Trump,
because these guys overlap and have a lot in common,
and I think it's why they got along. But really,
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even though Trump is also an entrepreneur, Trump is a
different kind of entrepreneur. Elon is a founder. You go
out and you create something that ever existed before. Trump
is a builder. In order to get buildings built, As
any of you out there that have ever been involved
in real estate know, it is a monster of an issue.
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Zoning regulations, political pressures. Getting a building built in a
city is more like being a politician than it is
a founder. You gotta shake hands, you got to deal
with unions, you have to deal with local government, you
might have to deal with state government. You might even
have to deal with federal government depending on the size
of your project. That is a different skill set, and
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it's more similar to what a politician does. Trump is
uniquely skilled at making everyone that he meets feel like
they are the most important person in the room. That
is not Elon's skill set. So this implosion, which I
think was built up by the anger that Elon felt
over not having the same control over the government that
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he has over his companies, felt to me like it
was inevitable. The fact that Elon and Trump worked together
for as long as they could is important, and it
was a tremendous success. I hope that they can continue
to work together in the future. But remember, Elon voted
for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, he voted for Joe
Biden in twenty twenty. He did not endorse Trump until
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July of twenty twenty four. I think Elon is the
most fabulously successful capitalist of all time. I'm not sure
that his political instincts are as finely tuned, and I
don't say that as an insult. I think he's worked
his way towards a smart position. I think his buying
X was probably the most important thing for the full
flourishment of the marketplace of ideas that maybe has happened
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in my entire life. But I also think he's susceptible
to anger. Twitter is an emotional medium, and yesterday Elon
just snapped. I think today he probably thinks, Hey, maybe
I wish I hadn't sent some of the things that
I sent yesterday. Eight We will take your calls. By
the way, you guys can react. Tell me whether or
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not you buy into this. But I'll break down this
a little bit more because I do think it's consequential.
I think it's significant. A lot of people focused on
the Epstein sudden tweet. I'll tell you why I don't
buy that and why I think that is totally a
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when I come back about why I think Elon musk
allegation about Trump and the Epstein files has no basis
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whatsoever in reality. We will dive into it when we
come back, and trust me, there's no basis fired up
about the Trump Musk blow up yesterday afternoon that happened,
that obviously is the talk of the town.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You can weigh in eight hundred and.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Two two two eight eight two uh if you would
like to weigh in on your thoughts on this ridiculousness.
But I laid out why I anticipated that Musk would
get upset at some point at the slow pace of
government based on his history as a founder and as
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a CEO who is able to move fast and break things,
which many people out there who found businesses have that mindset.
I discovered that I am not a very good employee
for a long term process. I'm pretty good here because
I have a fabulous boss, Julie Talbot, and she just says, hey,
you and Buck go have the best radio show possible,
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doesn't micro manage us. She has our back. That's fabulous,
actually rare. A lot of you probably have had some
good bosses. Some of you probably have had awful bosses.
I think Musk wants to be the boss in everything,
and I don't think that he is happy when he's
not able to make decisions that he sees as in
the best interest of his company. And I think he
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treated the United States Government like a company that he
was in charge of. The problem is there's a lot
of stakeholders in the United States government, and Musk could
not do for the United States Government what he believed
was necessary in order to create the best version of
the US government as he could do with the companies
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that he has founded now, and as a result, I
think he just had a tempered hantrum. I think he
lashed out now. I also think there are elements of this.
Probably this is me psychoanalyzing, where Musk is putting so
much responsibility on himself health that he probably isn't sleeping
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very much, He probably isn't eating consistently healthy meals. He
is working all the time, at all hours, and so
what otherwise might have been a road bump, something that
irritated him somewhat built to the point where he felt
compelled to lash out as extensively as he did on
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social media, which I believe Musk is using Twitter in
many ways as his therapy, as his opportunity to vent
and release rage that otherwise has built up inside him.
I think Trump sometimes does that, But again I think
because Trump has built buildings, his entrepreneurial mindset is much different.
In order to build something that is actually a physical structure,
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you can't be at the same kind. I don't think
of dictator that Elon Musk has been for his companies,
just based on the regulations, based on the unions, based
on all of the different things that you have to
go through to get approval to be able to do that. Now,
all that in mind, I think Musk cross the line
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when suddenly he said the reason the Epstein files haven't
been released, and I'm paraphrasing, is because Trump is named
in them. I don't believe this to be remotely true,
and I just don't think it adds up logically. He
might be named in him because Epstein lived in New
York City and he knew everybody who's rich and famous
in the entire city. Do you really believe that if
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Trump had done something that was considered to be criminal
in nature by the United States in any way that
Democrats wouldn't have used that against Trump at any point
in the last decade.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It just doesn't add up.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
They've tried to bankrupt him, they've tried to imprison him
for life, they've tried to kill him. They have done
everything in their power to stop Trump from being able
to be president of the United States. I think they
had a scarlet letter that connected Trump to Epstein and
was criminal in nature based on what Trump did, and
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they just decided to argue that he mishandled classified documents.
Instead of that, they had pardon the pun the ultimate
Trump card that would put Trump away forever, and they
didn't use it. Instead, they manufactured the Steel dossier and
claimed falsely that Trump was engaged in Russia collusion, and
they had a smoking gun, a Trump card as it were,
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inside of the Epstein files for the last decade that
all they had to do to put Donald Trump in
prison was pull out and play on the on the
on the out.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Of the deck.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And you think they just decided, hey, we're not going
to do that. It's it doesn't add up. I think
it's not true, and I think the sad reality is
that much of the Epstein evidence. This is my opinion
is vanished.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I think that Epstein was probably an intelligence agent. I
think that he caught a lot of men. It's a
high percentage of men that are interested in young pretty
girls and having access to young pretty girls, and I
think he used that sometimes to manipulate business relationships. Epstein
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did in his favor, and I think that's why he
got the preferential treatment that he did. But there have
been many men named, many of them who basically did nothing,
it appears, other than fly on Epstein's private jet or
even engage in business transactions with him for their association
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to Epstein. And you're telling me that if Trump had
substantial connections to Epstein, that they were hidden, and Democrats said, no, no, no,
We're not going to focus on Trump and Epstein. Instead,
we're going to argue that he kept classified documents at
Mar A Lago, and we're going to argue that he
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got too favorable of loan treatments for the properties that
he owned in New York and the big investment bank
negotiations that he did. And also we're going to argue
that he had sex with a porn star and paid
her money and that somehow rigged the twenty sixteen election,
and that he's buddies with Vladimir Putin. You'd think that
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Democrats drew the line at associating Trump with Epstein.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I just don't think that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think Elon knows that that is among the most
savage accusations that he could make to a segment of
the MAGA base that is obsessed with Epstein and keeps thinking, Oh,
we're going to get some amazing revelation from the Epstein files,
and instead, when they've given new information about the Epstein
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related files, it's mostly mostly blown up. In the Trump
administration's phase, I mean, Pam Bondi had a bunch of
people in for a White House meeting, gave them new information,
and it basically was not that valuable. Now, look, I
trust Dan Bongino, I trust Cash Betel. I think if
they're at the FBI, if there is some sort of
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major revelation that still is out there about the Epstein files,
I think they'll put it out. I just don't buy
that it exists in a substantial way, and I certainly
don't buy that somehow it implicates Trump. I just don't
I think that Elon knows that that's catnip and impossible
to avoid and among the most salacious accusations that he
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could make, and that's the reason that he went in
that direction. I think that Trump has actually responded in
the Elon fracas as the adult in the room candidly,
which is not always what you anticipate Trump doing. But
I think he has a great deal of like for Elon.
And I'm gonna be honest with you. I think Trump
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sees Elon as childlike and a kid. And we have
talked about this with you, Buck and I have every
time I've met Trump, and I've interviewed Trump eleven times.
Now I am basically the same age as his kids.
I'm telling you Trump is almost eighty years old. I
think he just had a seventy ninth birthday. He sees
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people around my age as his kids. Trump has always
and and and as a grandfatherly and fatherly type figure.
I think he sees Trump as a kid. Thinks that
there is a child like glee in Elon, which Trump
likes and respects, but also recognizes that in pushing himself
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so far as Elon has that there are consequences with
that behavior.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And I think Elon would even say it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You don't decide that you're better at sending rockets to
the moon than NASA, and that you're going to redesign
the internal combustion engine the effort and energy that that takes.
There's consequence is elsewhere. I think again, Elon is in
an autistic genius. It allows him to focus in a
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way that regular humans cannot, but it also allows him
to miss social cues that regular humans would not. And
it is very rare in my experience that when someone
has great talent in one particular arena, it is spread
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evenly everywhere. And this is kind of the way you
think about from athletes, right, how often in your high
school was the best athlete also the best student, and
also the best looking and also the kindest?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
In baseball they talk about five tool players, because it's
so rare to be excellent at everything. You don't have
to be an expert in Silicon Valley geopolitics to analyze
Elon Musk. Just go your own high school. How often
was the smartest person also the best athlete, and also
the kindest, the most honest, the most reliable. Usually, extreme
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talents in any one particular area are not accompanied with
extreme talents in other places, some as they are. Yeah,
the prom king is also the kindest person on the
planet and the greatest athlete, but usually that talent is
not evenly distributed. Elon is off the charts, I think
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when it comes to intelligence and building companies. As I said,
I think he's the greatest capitalist who has ever lived
in the history of capitalism if you look at his accomplishments.
I don't think that he's emotionally a savant. I think
he still in many ways behaves in a childlike fashion.
I think that's why he lashed out with the temper tantrum.
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I think Trump sees that. I think he wants to
marshal the talents that Elon has direction of making the
country better. And I actually think Trump has handled this
again as the adult in the room, and I think
Elon regrets his temper tantrum. Even by last evening he
was sharing Bill Ackman's comments like, Hey, it's better for
the country if we don't viewed. This morning, he's been
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sharing again the big beautiful Bill. I'll talk a little
bit about that where I think it's gone. But I
think all of that is rooted together, and I think
Elon is ultimately frustrated that he wasn't able to have
the same level of success making the country's finances strong
as he has been in making his own businesses and
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their finances strong. I'll take some of your calls, by
the way, at the end of this hour eight hundred
two two eight a two. You can analyze this also,
And I hope that Trump and Elon on some level
can make up, because I do think that Elon is
a force for good, given his resources, given his purchase
of Twitter, and just merely being open to the marketplace
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of ideas and seeing the best possible argument, I think,
and creating a business that is based on that is
a profound gift that Elon has given to the country,
and I hope that he can use those gifts going
forward in an effective way with Trump and his administration.
So that's my big take on what we saw yesterday
and where I think it came from. If you purchase
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Speaker 1 (34:12):
Here. Anna in Raleigh, North Carolina. What do you think,
HEYK Clay?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
One percent spot on. Guys, you nailed it, You just
nailed it. The thing is Tom came in in twenty
sixteen and he had to learn politics that Elon. Elon
has to learn how politics operate, and this is how
it operates, and he just needs to be a patient
with it and learning. But America needs them buns yep,
(34:39):
and I thank America, thank you for him, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
For the call. I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I would love to have Elon's talents committed to the
American government as much as he can. I think Elon
committed those talents and feels like he didn't get the
results that he does from capitalism when he commits his
talents to the governments that he can. And I think
he's lashing out. I think he's frustrated. Brian in Kansas,
(35:04):
what you got.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
For us, hey Clay. I think there's a lot of
similarities between Elon and then what ross Perot would have
faced had he gotten elected. And that was the reason
I didn't vote for ross Perreau was because he would
have gotten in there and he would have had no allies,
wouldn't have had anything that he had on his infomercials.
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Get done.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
For those of you who remember Paro in ninety two
and ninety six, ninety two, in particular, he brought Bill
Clinton into office. Paro's calling card was I'm a businessman,
and we need to run Washington more like a business.
That is what Elon tried to do. The problem you
run into is there's lots of people that don't understand
basic business in Washington, DC, and they aren't interested in
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actually fixing anything because they want to feed off the
federal government and inefficiency sometimes is the reason they make
all their money. And I think that was incredibly frustrating
to Elon, and I think what you saw yesterday was
him lashing out Carmen Edgewater floor to Carmen, fire away,
how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Clay? Two things real quickly. The first one is I
agree with you about the whole thing that Elon said
about upstate. Obviously that would have been the Democrats, you know,
gold mine to have found out he was involved in
such something like that. Second thing is I think Elon
is trying to get back in the good grace with
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the Democrats, to try to get his teslaws back up
again in business. And I think that's really one of
the goals that he has in mind.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Good deal. That's an interesting argument.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It does put the Democrat Malotov cocktail throwers in a
funny position, right, because what do they do now? They
hate Trump more than they hate Elon, So are they
going to stop burning Tesla's down. We'll talk about that
a little bit more. Biggest story rolling into the weekend.
Thanks for hanging with us on Clay and Bucket.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Buck is out.
We'll be back together in DC next week. I am
told that I have a tan. You may have seen
me on such programs as Jesse Waters on Fox News,
where I was described as looking like I Believe Bacon
with a beard, which was a heck of a line
(00:26):
by him. Some of you are watching right now on video.
I think my tan is amazing. I think it somewhat
resembles John F. Kennedy back in the nineteen sixties, not me,
but the Tan before he was assassinated. So I'm hoping
that my beautiful fan will not be followed by an assassination.
Of not going to be writing around in any convertibles
without rooftops anytime soon in Dealey Plaza. But we have
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got all sorts of chaos to dive into with you.
And as I know Buck was addressing yesterday right in
the final hour when the Donald Trump versus Elon Musk
fireworks started, I have got deep dive psychological analysis also
some humor that I hope to pepper with all of
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you as we roll through the Friday edition of the
program here and head you into the weekend. A little
bit of housekeeping. Newt Gingrich will be with us in
the third hour, and OutKick reporter dan Zak Sheesky a
scheduled to join us in the second hour. And certainly
we will take your calls and your reactions to everything
that is going on.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I met a lot of you. I have been out.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
My kids got out of school on Tuesday, and so
I was on the road with them as a result,
doing dad related travel. Someone told me, and I think
do think there's a lot of truth to it that
once you have kids, you no longer take vacations. You
take family trips, and that is a very different thing,
particularly when your kids are young. Although my kids are
now seventeen, fourteen, and ten, and so they are aging
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up there. And so we went to amusement parks. I
think you guys played my Tom Cruise Mission Impossible analysis
last week with Buck, which was as usual. Buck doesn't
like fun things. He would have been miserable. It's a
super crowded, hot amusement park. But we went to the
new Universal Studios amusement park that opened in Orlando. Took
the boys there, met many of you all over the place,
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and then I'd never been to Atlantis and the Bahamas.
We'll have some fun talking about that maybe a little
bit later in the program. But I met a lot
of you all over the place, and I appreciate everybody
who comes up and says HI. When you were also
on your vacations, often with your own families. I was
also with Buck. We had an amazing iHeart event in
West Palm Beach for all of our advertisers. I got
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to meet bucks brand new baby James for the first time.
I think there are pictures. Alley's more on top of
these things than I am on social media. I'm not
very good at taking photos. I can send messages, but
I am not a photo guy. But I believe there
are pictures up of the baby. We had an awesome time.
We met with a lot of our great advertisers over
the past several days. I am now back at home
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in Nashville and looking forward by the way next week
just texting we are set up to be meeting a
lot of people in DC next week. We're gonna be
at the Pentagon with Pete Hegseth. We're going to be
at the White House with Donald Trump. We are hopefully
going to be able to meet up with Marco Rubio
and many others. We will have quite a few senators
(03:29):
and representatives in our DC studios next week, so we literally,
as I set down, we are texting to get a
bunch of those details ironed out with you for all
of next week when we should have a lot of
in person guests and should be pretty fantastic. So all
that coming on the horizon. But the fallout from yesterday's
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Elon Musk Donald Trump big breakup over the Big Beautiful
Bill is what is continue you doing to resonate all
over the political universe, all over the business universe. Basically
the number one can't miss story conflict between Elon Musk,
the richest man in the world, and Donald Trump, the
(04:13):
most powerful man in the world. What's my take? First,
we told you that this would likely happen because Elon Musk.
I'm going to psycho analyze these guys and explain why
this is likely to happen why. I think it also
is not indicative of a long term breach, but is
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I think been building for some time, and I think
there were a lot of sort of signposts that you
could point to. So let's start on the side of
Elon Musk, because it seems to me that he is
by far the angriest over the over the situation right now.
Elon is used to having complete and total control. He
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is a dictator at every company that he runs, and
he has been a very benevolent and successful dictator at
all of those companies.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They are wildly successful.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I believe that Elon Musk is the most successful capitalist
who has ever existed in the history of capitalism. I
don't think that's hyperbole when you consider what he has
done with Tesla, when you consider what he has done
with SpaceX, what he has done with Twitter, slash x,
now with x Ai, what he has done with the
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boring company, what he has done with I was on
the golf course with the LifeLock CEO and founder Todd Davis,
and he was talking about how impressed he is with
Neuralink and what Musk has done there, and it is
receiving a small amo amount of attention. I think Elon
Musk is the CEO basically of five different public companies simultaneously,
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all of which are fabulously successful. We truly have never
seen anything like what he is been able to do,
and these companies are doing things that many other people
believed were impossible. No one thought that you could replace
the internal combustion engine with electric vehicles. No one thought,
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by and large, hey, it's possible to be better at
designing spaceships than NASA, even though NASA has a seventy
year headstart. What Elon Musk has done is amazing. Here's
the problem. It requires a skill set that is massively
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risk taking, moves rapidly and breaks things. It is entrepreneurial
in nature. It is by and large not a management job.
Founders think and behave differently than people who are in management.
That's oftentimes why the number of founders that can transition
from creating a company to building it into a huge,
(06:57):
vibrant entity is rare. Because the skill set to create
something new and then the skill set to manage something
new is oftentimes very different. And so I have said,
and Buck has said on this program, we told you
this was coming, that Elon Musk was going to get
hyper frustrated over how slow government moves. I am a
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penprick as successful as Elon Musk. The reason I didn't
want to practice lawful time was it moved way too
slow for me.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I'm a young litigator.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You pinpoint the issues at play, you say, hey, this
is what needs to be resolved, this is what needs
to be fixed. This is the answer to the question.
And then, and many of you are lawyers listening right now.
It is basically a procedural battle. As a litigator for years,
and to me, it was boring, plotting. It didn't move
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fast enough. I was frustrated. I am somewhat impatient. Government
is that times a thousand. So you have this uniquely
talented builder of businesses, the likes of which we have
never seen, who is coming into the government. Looks around,
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says man, this is being run in a shabby, unsuccessful fashion.
These are the things that need to be done. I'm
going to bring in my brilliant financial engineers. We're going
to dive into the federal government books. We're going to
recognize all of these different things that are inefficient, outdated,
where the taxpayer is not getting best value for his dollars.
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And even though we recognize all these things, government is
going to move slowly to address them. And in the meantime,
I'm going to get ripped to the high heavens because
I am disrupting government and all of the businesses that
I have created I'm talking for evil, are going to
suddenly become persona non grada. I mean, we had left
(09:05):
wingers fire bombing electric vehicles because they were angry that
Elon Musk was trying to bring more financial discipline to
the government. And so I think Elon was terribly frustrated.
Remember he said he wanted to erase around two trillion
dollars in spending. It looks like the numbers going to
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end up being around one hundred and sixty billion dollars.
I don't think he was able to accomplish what he
wanted to and what he probably should have been able
to accomplish if he had the same power that he
has as the leader of all his companies. And so
I think his anger had been building for some time.
(09:46):
And then Trump yesterday in the Oval office, said, Hey,
I basically I'm paraphrasing appreciate what Elon was going to do,
but we would have won the election even without his involvement.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Argue that or not.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And Elon decided that that was ungrateful. And you combine
it with the fact that Trump had not decided to
elevate the guy that he wanted to be in charge,
Elon of NASA. And you also add up that he
was frustrated over some of the AI decisions that were
being made by Trump, and all of those compounding frustrations
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led to Elon going off yesterday on Twitter. And my
thoughts on social media in general are it could be
both the best and the worst thing, because what it
does give you is a direct view into the emotions
of the moment. But the emotions of the moment aren't
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always the healthiest. And I'm going to go old school
here legitimately and tell you an example. Abraham Lincoln, when
he was president, would get so frustrated that he would
write entire angry letters to subordinates. He would then wait
twenty four hours before he would send the letter. Now,
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letter by mail is very different than tweets, but Lincoln
understood that the passions of the moment and the way
he felt as he wrote the article, as he wrote
his letter might not exist twenty four hours from now.
It's a brilliant strategy. Put it in your desk, wait
twenty four hours, reread it. He would then decide, oftentimes
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whether he wanted that letter sent to his subordinates. Most
of the time, he said he did not. The cathartic
nature of writing the letter allowed for his anger to
be expressed and for it to then diminish. I have
said for some time, imagine what tweets would be sent
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if there were a twenty four hour waiting period before
the tweet could be sent. Same thing could be said
for you if you don't tweet for the text that
you send. What if you could only send ten texts
in a week. You would make sure that they were really,
really well crafted. You would also make sure that they
weren't particularly emotional. My wife says that I don't have
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to worry about any of this because the reason why
I will never need any form of is because I
have the unique job where I get to sit down
on live radio every single day, tell you guys every
single word I think, and then when I'm done after
three hours, I have no weight on my shoulders at all.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I just step right out of the radio studio.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
My therapy is I said exactly what I wanted to
say for three hours. Everybody out there could hear it.
You could like it, you could not like it. I
got no weight on my shoulders. There's a lot of
truth to that. I think this had been building for
a long time with Elon. I think it was a
mountain of frustration. I think that yesterday that was the
tipping point. It wasn't any one thing, as most issues
(13:08):
are when people lose their temper. It was a hey,
this happened, then this happened, then this happened. And if
you are a founder, if you are an entrepreneur, you
know that feeling where you wake up and you don't
control your day and basically people just put. If you're
a small business owner, twenty different things pile up, all
of which you have to manage because it's your responsibility.
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Elon has been able to bear an immense amount of weight.
I think the NASA decision by Trump, I think the
AI machinations, I think all of the pressure that has
been brought to bear by the media. I think it
finally just exploded. And I think he does not have
elon great impulse control. This is one reason perhaps he
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might have fourteen different children by seven different women. There
are goods and bads of many different aspects of life.
As I said, the greatest capitalist who's ever existed, may
not have the greatest impulse control ever, and so he
got angry and he decided to fire away at Trump.
(14:11):
I actually think Trump has been remarkably fairly restrained in
his response to Elon, because I think Elon is more
emotional than Trump is. I think Elon is more frustrated.
We come back. I'll give you my thesis here on Trump,
because these guys overlap and have a lot in common,
and I think it's why they got along. But really,
(14:32):
even though Trump is also an entrepreneur, Trump is a
different kind of entrepreneur. Elon is a founder. You go
out and you create something that ever existed before. Trump
is a builder. In order to get buildings built, As
any of you out there that have ever been involved
in real estate know, it is a monster of an issue.
(14:53):
Zoning regulations, political pressures. Getting a building built in a
city is more like being a politician than it is
a founder. You gotta shake hands, you got to deal
with unions, you have to deal with local government, you
might have to deal with state government. You might even
have to deal with federal government depending on the size
of your project. That is a different skill set, and
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it's more similar to what a politician does. Trump is
uniquely skilled at making everyone that he meets feel like
they are the most important person in the room. That
is not Elon's skill set. So this implosion, which I
think was built up by the anger that Elon felt
over not having the same control over the government that
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he has over his companies, felt to me like it
was inevitable. The fact that Elon and Trump worked together
for as long as they could is important, and it
was a tremendous success. I hope that they can continue
to work together in the future. But remember, Elon voted
for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, he voted for Joe
Biden in twenty twenty. He did not endorse Trump until
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July of twenty twenty four. I think Elon is the
most fabulously successful capitalist of all time. I'm not sure
that his political instincts are as finely tuned, and I
don't say that as an insult. I think he's worked
his way towards a smart position. I think his buying
X was probably the most important thing for the full
flourishment of the marketplace of ideas that maybe has happened
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in my entire life. But I also think he's susceptible
to anger. Twitter is an emotional medium, and yesterday Elon
just snapped. I think today he probably thinks, Hey, maybe
I wish I hadn't sent some of the things that
I sent yesterday. Eight We will take your calls. By
the way, you guys can react. Tell me whether or
(16:45):
not you buy into this. But I'll break down this
a little bit more because I do think it's consequential.
I think it's significant. A lot of people focused on
the Epstein sudden tweet. I'll tell you why I don't
buy that and why I think that is totally a
sham that idea in general. But I also want to
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allegation about Trump and the Epstein files has no basis
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whatsoever in reality. We will dive into it when we
come back, and trust me, there's no basis fired up
about the Trump Musk blow up yesterday afternoon that happened,
that obviously is the talk of the town.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You can weigh in eight hundred and.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Two two two eight eight two uh if you would
like to weigh in on your thoughts on this ridiculousness.
But I laid out why I anticipated that Musk would
get upset at some point at the slow pace of
government based on his history as a founder and as
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a CEO who is able to move fast and break things,
which many people out there who found businesses have that mindset.
I discovered that I am not a very good employee
for a long term process. I'm pretty good here because
I have a fabulous boss, Julie Talbot, and she just says, hey,
you and Buck go have the best radio show possible,
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doesn't micro manage us. She has our back. That's fabulous,
actually rare. A lot of you probably have had some
good bosses. Some of you probably have had awful bosses.
I think Musk wants to be the boss in everything,
and I don't think that he is happy when he's
not able to make decisions that he sees as in
the best interest of his company. And I think he
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treated the United States Government like a company that he
was in charge of. The problem is there's a lot
of stakeholders in the United States government, and Musk could
not do for the United States Government what he believed
was necessary in order to create the best version of
the US government as he could do with the companies
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that he has founded now, and as a result, I
think he just had a tempered hantrum. I think he
lashed out now. I also think there are elements of this.
Probably this is me psychoanalyzing, where Musk is putting so
much responsibility on himself health that he probably isn't sleeping
(21:03):
very much, He probably isn't eating consistently healthy meals. He
is working all the time, at all hours, and so
what otherwise might have been a road bump, something that
irritated him somewhat built to the point where he felt
compelled to lash out as extensively as he did on
(21:24):
social media, which I believe Musk is using Twitter in
many ways as his therapy, as his opportunity to vent
and release rage that otherwise has built up inside him.
I think Trump sometimes does that, But again I think
because Trump has built buildings, his entrepreneurial mindset is much different.
In order to build something that is actually a physical structure,
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you can't be at the same kind. I don't think
of dictator that Elon Musk has been for his companies,
just based on the regulations, based on the unions, based
on all of the different things that you have to
go through to get approval to be able to do that. Now,
all that in mind, I think Musk cross the line
(22:09):
when suddenly he said the reason the Epstein files haven't
been released, and I'm paraphrasing, is because Trump is named
in them. I don't believe this to be remotely true,
and I just don't think it adds up logically. He
might be named in him because Epstein lived in New
York City and he knew everybody who's rich and famous
in the entire city. Do you really believe that if
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Trump had done something that was considered to be criminal
in nature by the United States in any way that
Democrats wouldn't have used that against Trump at any point
in the last decade.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It just doesn't add up.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
They've tried to bankrupt him, they've tried to imprison him
for life, they've tried to kill him. They have done
everything in their power to stop Trump from being able
to be president of the United States. I think they
had a scarlet letter that connected Trump to Epstein and
was criminal in nature based on what Trump did, and
(23:09):
they just decided to argue that he mishandled classified documents.
Instead of that, they had pardon the pun the ultimate
Trump card that would put Trump away forever, and they
didn't use it. Instead, they manufactured the Steel dossier and
claimed falsely that Trump was engaged in Russia collusion, and
they had a smoking gun, a Trump card as it were,
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inside of the Epstein files for the last decade that
all they had to do to put Donald Trump in
prison was pull out and play on the on the
on the out.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Of the deck.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And you think they just decided, hey, we're not going
to do that. It's it doesn't add up. I think
it's not true, and I think the sad reality is
that much of the Epstein evidence. This is my opinion
is vanished.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I think that Epstein was probably an intelligence agent. I
think that he caught a lot of men. It's a
high percentage of men that are interested in young pretty
girls and having access to young pretty girls, and I
think he used that sometimes to manipulate business relationships. Epstein
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did in his favor, and I think that's why he
got the preferential treatment that he did. But there have
been many men named, many of them who basically did nothing,
it appears, other than fly on Epstein's private jet or
even engage in business transactions with him for their association
(24:40):
to Epstein. And you're telling me that if Trump had
substantial connections to Epstein, that they were hidden, and Democrats said, no, no, no,
We're not going to focus on Trump and Epstein. Instead,
we're going to argue that he kept classified documents at
Mar A Lago, and we're going to argue that he
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got too favorable of loan treatments for the properties that
he owned in New York and the big investment bank
negotiations that he did. And also we're going to argue
that he had sex with a porn star and paid
her money and that somehow rigged the twenty sixteen election,
and that he's buddies with Vladimir Putin. You'd think that
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Democrats drew the line at associating Trump with Epstein.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I just don't think that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think Elon knows that that is among the most
savage accusations that he could make to a segment of
the MAGA base that is obsessed with Epstein and keeps thinking, Oh,
we're going to get some amazing revelation from the Epstein files,
and instead, when they've given new information about the Epstein
(25:50):
related files, it's mostly mostly blown up. In the Trump
administration's phase, I mean, Pam Bondi had a bunch of
people in for a White House meeting, gave them new information,
and it basically was not that valuable. Now, look, I
trust Dan Bongino, I trust Cash Betel. I think if
they're at the FBI, if there is some sort of
(26:11):
major revelation that still is out there about the Epstein files,
I think they'll put it out. I just don't buy
that it exists in a substantial way, and I certainly
don't buy that somehow it implicates Trump. I just don't
I think that Elon knows that that's catnip and impossible
to avoid and among the most salacious accusations that he
(26:31):
could make, and that's the reason that he went in
that direction. I think that Trump has actually responded in
the Elon fracas as the adult in the room candidly,
which is not always what you anticipate Trump doing. But
I think he has a great deal of like for Elon.
And I'm gonna be honest with you. I think Trump
(26:54):
sees Elon as childlike and a kid. And we have
talked about this with you, Buck and I have every
time I've met Trump, and I've interviewed Trump eleven times.
Now I am basically the same age as his kids.
I'm telling you Trump is almost eighty years old. I
think he just had a seventy ninth birthday. He sees
(27:16):
people around my age as his kids. Trump has always
and and and as a grandfatherly and fatherly type figure.
I think he sees Trump as a kid. Thinks that
there is a child like glee in Elon, which Trump
likes and respects, but also recognizes that in pushing himself
(27:38):
so far as Elon has that there are consequences with
that behavior.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And I think Elon would even say it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You don't decide that you're better at sending rockets to
the moon than NASA, and that you're going to redesign
the internal combustion engine the effort and energy that that takes.
There's consequence is elsewhere. I think again, Elon is in
an autistic genius. It allows him to focus in a
(28:08):
way that regular humans cannot, but it also allows him
to miss social cues that regular humans would not. And
it is very rare in my experience that when someone
has great talent in one particular arena, it is spread
(28:29):
evenly everywhere. And this is kind of the way you
think about from athletes, right, how often in your high
school was the best athlete also the best student, and
also the best looking and also the kindest?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
In baseball they talk about five tool players, because it's
so rare to be excellent at everything. You don't have
to be an expert in Silicon Valley geopolitics to analyze
Elon Musk. Just go your own high school. How often
was the smartest person also the best athlete, and also
the kindest, the most honest, the most reliable. Usually, extreme
(29:10):
talents in any one particular area are not accompanied with
extreme talents in other places, some as they are. Yeah,
the prom king is also the kindest person on the
planet and the greatest athlete, but usually that talent is
not evenly distributed. Elon is off the charts, I think
(29:31):
when it comes to intelligence and building companies. As I said,
I think he's the greatest capitalist who has ever lived
in the history of capitalism if you look at his accomplishments.
I don't think that he's emotionally a savant. I think
he still in many ways behaves in a childlike fashion.
I think that's why he lashed out with the temper tantrum.
(29:55):
I think Trump sees that. I think he wants to
marshal the talents that Elon has direction of making the
country better. And I actually think Trump has handled this
again as the adult in the room, and I think
Elon regrets his temper tantrum. Even by last evening he
was sharing Bill Ackman's comments like, Hey, it's better for
the country if we don't viewed. This morning, he's been
(30:18):
sharing again the big beautiful Bill. I'll talk a little
bit about that where I think it's gone. But I
think all of that is rooted together, and I think
Elon is ultimately frustrated that he wasn't able to have
the same level of success making the country's finances strong
as he has been in making his own businesses and
(30:39):
their finances strong. I'll take some of your calls, by
the way, at the end of this hour eight hundred
two two eight a two. You can analyze this also,
And I hope that Trump and Elon on some level
can make up, because I do think that Elon is
a force for good, given his resources, given his purchase
of Twitter, and just merely being open to the marketplace
(31:00):
of ideas and seeing the best possible argument, I think,
and creating a business that is based on that is
a profound gift that Elon has given to the country,
and I hope that he can use those gifts going
forward in an effective way with Trump and his administration.
So that's my big take on what we saw yesterday
and where I think it came from. If you purchase
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get the absolute latest.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Here. Anna in Raleigh, North Carolina. What do you think,
HEYK Clay?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
One percent spot on. Guys, you nailed it, You just
nailed it. The thing is Tom came in in twenty
sixteen and he had to learn politics that Elon. Elon
has to learn how politics operate, and this is how
it operates, and he just needs to be a patient
with it and learning. But America needs them buns yep,
(34:39):
and I thank America, thank you for him, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
For the call. I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I would love to have Elon's talents committed to the
American government as much as he can. I think Elon
committed those talents and feels like he didn't get the
results that he does from capitalism when he commits his
talents to the governments that he can. And I think
he's lashing out. I think he's frustrated. Brian in Kansas,
(35:04):
what you got.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
For us, hey Clay. I think there's a lot of
similarities between Elon and then what ross Perot would have
faced had he gotten elected. And that was the reason
I didn't vote for ross Perreau was because he would
have gotten in there and he would have had no allies,
wouldn't have had anything that he had on his infomercials.
(35:26):
Get done.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
For those of you who remember Paro in ninety two
and ninety six, ninety two, in particular, he brought Bill
Clinton into office. Paro's calling card was I'm a businessman,
and we need to run Washington more like a business.
That is what Elon tried to do. The problem you
run into is there's lots of people that don't understand
basic business in Washington, DC, and they aren't interested in
(35:51):
actually fixing anything because they want to feed off the
federal government and inefficiency sometimes is the reason they make
all their money. And I think that was incredibly frustrating
to Elon, and I think what you saw yesterday was
him lashing out Carmen Edgewater floor to Carmen, fire away,
how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Clay? Two things real quickly. The first one is I
agree with you about the whole thing that Elon said
about upstate. Obviously that would have been the Democrats, you know,
gold mine to have found out he was involved in
such something like that. Second thing is I think Elon
is trying to get back in the good grace with
(36:32):
the Democrats, to try to get his teslaws back up
again in business. And I think that's really one of
the goals that he has in mind.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Good deal. That's an interesting argument.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It does put the Democrat Malotov cocktail throwers in a
funny position, right, because what do they do now? They
hate Trump more than they hate Elon, So are they
going to stop burning Tesla's down. We'll talk about that
a little bit more. Biggest story rolling into the weekend.
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