June 18, 2025 • 57 mins
SCOTUS Transgender Ruling Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with Clay Travis broadcasting solo from Washington, D.C., while Buck Sexton is away on business. Clay opens the hour by discussing his time in the Capitol with his son, who is interning for TN Senator Bill Hagerty. He then pivots to a major breaking news story: a landmark 6-3 U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholding Tennessee’s law banning gender transition procedures for minors. This decision, which Clay strongly supports, becomes the central focus of the hour. Clay emphasizes the importance of protecting children from irreversible medical procedures such as puberty blockers and gender-affirming surgeries. He argues that minors are not mature enough to make life-altering decisions and compares the issue to existing legal restrictions on tattoos, alcohol, and car rentals for young people. He criticizes what he describes as the “woke ideology” influencing medical professionals and parents, and calls for federal legislation to ban gender transition surgeries for minors nationwide. Throughout the hour, Clay repeatedly refers to the President Donald Trump, highlighting how the Trump administration has addressed transgender issues and how the media frames these debates. He critiques the Washington Post’s coverage of the Supreme Court ruling, calling it biased and misleading. Nothing Wrong with Disagreement Broadcasting from Washington, D.C., Clay Travis opens the hour with a vivid description of the aesthetic upgrades President Trump has made to the White House, including new flagpoles and a gold-embellished Oval Office, as well as plans for an outdoor dining patio inspired by Mar-a-Lago. A major focus of this hour is the Supreme Court’s landmark decision affirming Tennessee’s right to restrict gender transition surgeries for minors. Clay previews an upcoming interview with Tennessee Attorney General Jonathan Skrmetti, who successfully argued the case, and emphasizes the widespread parental support for such protections. The show then shifts to a critical foreign policy discussion on Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Clay analyzes polling data from CNN showing overwhelming bipartisan agreement—across Republicans, Democrats, and Independents—that Iran must not be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons. He highlights that nearly 70% of Republican voters support U.S. airstrikes on Iranian nuclear facilities, aligning with President Trump’s America First doctrine. Clay defends the rationality behind Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons from a geopolitical standpoint, while strongly advocating for decisive U.S. action to prevent it. TN AG Jonathan Skrmetti on his Supreme Court Win Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and timely discussion centered on major legal, political, and cultural developments shaping America today. Clay Travis, hosting solo while Buck Sexton attends the Cannes Advertising Festival, opens the hour with a deep dive into a landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling that upheld Tennessee’s law restricting gender transition surgeries for minors. Tennessee Attorney General Jonathan Skrmetti joins the program to break down the 6-3 decision, emphasizing the legal, medical, and cultural implications of the ruling. Skrmetti highlights the flawed science behind pediatric gender treatments, the growing international skepticism of such procedures, and the potential for future civil lawsuits from detransitioners. The conversation also explores the broader national impact of the ruling, including how states may handle cross-border medical procedures and the legal complexities surrounding parental rights and medical consent. Skrmetti underscores the importance of evidence-based policymaking over ideological influence, and the need for compassion and clarity in addressing gender dysphoria in youth. Sen. Bill Cassidy on the Big Beautiful Bill Clay welcomes U.S. Senator Bill C
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in The Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Wednesday edition.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I am
in Washington, d C. Buck remains on the French rivi Era,
meeting with all the advertisers, probably with I don't know
what the rose. I don't know what the preferred drink
(00:25):
of the French rivi era is, but as we speak
it is evening in France, and I bet he's got
a rose on the beach somewhere chatting with advertisers desperate
to get into this show.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Appreciate all of you. I am in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I've been up here for two weeks with my oldest
son doing an internship with Senator Bill Haggerty's office in
the Senate.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He has loved it, and I appreciate Senator.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Haggerty for keeping he and his debate partner busy and
learning a lot. So I will be back in Nashville tomorrow,
but it has been an eventful time. I'm to be
up here. By the way, the reason I'm going to
be back is probably not going to shock you. The
federal government, at least at Congress is shut for two
(01:09):
days for the Juneteenth Holiday.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
This is real. They are off Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I got to have two days of not working because
of the Juneteenth Holiday. So that is why we are
headed back because Congress is going to be shut down
and as a result, they are not going to be
working on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And so yeah, I you know on my calendar.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I don't know about you, but I hadn't blocked off
the Juneteenth holiday. I will be with all of you,
not taking two days to celebrate Juneteenth, but we will.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We'll be back. I'll be back at Nashville on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
And the reason I want to say, I'm back in Nashville,
my home state, my home city. And I was proud
this morning when I woke up and a major Supreme
Court decision came down that we have talked about on
this program. And I think it's not a revolutionary idea,
it's not a crazy idea. But the state of Tennessee
(02:08):
decided that miners would not be allowed to have their
gender change. They would not allow this phrase gender affirming care.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
To take place.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They wouldn't let you if you're fourteen get your boobs
chopped off. They wouldn't let you if you're fifteen or sixteen.
I hate to be graphic, but get your penis chopped
off because you think you're a girl, or more sadly,
because your parents think that you are a boy or
a girl in a different body.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
They wouldn't allow.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You to get puberty blockers, which have been shown to
sometimes sterilize people. And they wouldn't allow these surgeries which
can and treatments which can. As I just mentioned, you're
doing something at thirteen or fourteen years old that might
keep you from growing up and having children one day.
(03:00):
That is crazy, and I have been saying on this
program for a very long time. Strip it away from
this gender related issues. In most states, you cannot get
your fourteen year old a tattoo legally without being prosecuted
as a parent. And that doesn't even consider what your
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spouse might do to you. If I came back from Washington,
DC and my son had an arm sleeve tattoo, I
think my wife would murder me. I'm not kidding about it.
He is seventeen. If I came back from Washington, DC
and she was like, well, how did the internship how
did you do being responsible for our oldest son for
(03:45):
two weeks? And I said, well, it went great. And
you know, we were out one night and I thought
to myself, we should go into a tattoo parlor, and
so I got him a full back tattoo. It looks awesome.
I think she would murder me. I'm not even kidding.
I think my wife would look at me, would turn,
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would walk into the closet, get the gun, come back
and just shoot me and say you can't be trusted anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And it would be prosecutable.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Sometimes I feel like in this world in which we
live in, we have forgotten that there were other generations
before us, and they had some small measure of wisdom.
And one of those elements of wisdom which everyone who
has ever been a teenager before in life has come
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to as you get older, is yeah, lots of times
teenagers are morons. It would probably be better if we
didn't have them make a tremendous amount of life altering
decisions at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old. What you think
at fourteen is often not what you're gonna think at
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twe four, forty four, sixty four, And everybody out there
listening right now, you're all nodding.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
As I have said for some time.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Speaking as a former teenage boy, no one is dumber
in the entire history of the world at any age
than teenage boys. They think, and we used to think,
we are the coolest people who ever, who have ever lived.
No one has a larger sense of self regard and
a lower sense of actual talent than a sixteen year
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old boy of any age at any point in history.
You all know it, You've all seen it. And as
a result, sixteen year old boys often make disastrous decisions.
The most dangerous drivers on the planet sixteen year old boys.
So we say, as a society, hey, you know what,
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let's try and limit some of the decisions that more
on teenagers can make that might have incredibly devastating impact
for them as adults. I'll give you some examples. We
don't let kids even rent cars. I believe I am
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correct that you have to be twenty five years old
to rent a car in most states in this country
right now. We don't allow most I believe I'm correct
on this too. We don't allow most eighteen year olds
to rent hotel rooms because we don't trust what they
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might do in the hotel room. We don't let twenty
year olds actually by beer in this country. Yet you're
gonna tell me that a twelve or thirteen year old
should make the life altering decision that they're not the
gender that they are in their body. Now, I don't
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even blame the kids, I really don't. I blame the
parents who are allowing this to become a reac You ever,
notice how the more left wing you are, the more
likely you are to have trans kids. This is the reality.
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There's lots of people in Hollywood that have multiple trans kids.
The idea of one parent having multiple trans kids is
statistically off the charts improbable. Yet it's happening all the
time in LA, It's happening all the time in New York.
The richer you are, the more of a celebrity you are,
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the more likely you are to have a trans kid.
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And so we have made a lot of decisions about
the choices that kids should be able to make and
that their parents should be able to make on their behalf.
And we're going to talk at two o'clock Eastern on
this program with the Attorney General of Tennessee Jonathan Scermetti,
who just won a six' to Three Supreme court decision,
saying in the state Of, tennessee you cannot treat someone
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to change their gender when they are a. Minor this
is hyper, rational this is basic common. Sense the fact
that we have such a delusion in this country that
all three left wing Judges Kagan sodomayor And Katanji Brown
jackson would all say the state shouldn't be allowed to
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do this is a sign of incredible mental illness on
the left and how this woke virus has spread that
we have gotten here. AGAIN i would just like to
ask those three justices do you believe that fourteen year
old should be able to get full body? TATTOOS i
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bet they would say, No, well the tattoo is less
significant medically than potentially sterilizing a child at fourteen years,
old which they are arguing the state should not be
able to. Prohibit and SO i JUST i look AT
i mean, AGAIN i think of this in the context of,
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tattoos because it's a body altering in some way. Procedure
AND i don't think there's anybody in The Supreme court
right now who would, say, hey we are going to
disallow a state from prohibiting minors from getting. Tattoos that,
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is in other, WORDS i think Nine Supreme court justices would, say,
yeah it's in the state's interest to allow us all
kids restricted from being able to get. Tattoos yet they're
going to say that it shouldn't be permissible for a
state to stop. This i'm sure there's knucklehead fourteen and
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fifteen year old kids out there that have wanted to
get tattoos and have wanted to sue their parents for
not allowing it or the state for not allowing. It
but we would overwhelmingly, say, well that's. Appropriate so somehow
it has become orthodoxy on the left to allow. This
we'll talk about this With Jonathan. Scermadi but here's WHAT
i want to say. Too we should have national legislation
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to stop this from. Happening AND i mean, AGAIN i
want to reiterate this because it's important because the result
here and Bravo, tennessee my home state for getting this
done and winning this, case but the result is going to, be,
well we'll just travel To illinois and have this, surgery
or we'll just travel To New york and have this
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surgery or world has traveled To. California gender surgeries on
minors should be prohibited. Nationwide we shouldn't be allowing A
tennesseean or An, alabamian or A, georgian or A texan
or A floridian to get on an airplane and travel
somewhere to get their genitals chopped.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Off this is just crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Town the fact that this has Become Democrat party. ORTHODOXY
i just Read i'm IN dc right. NOW i just
read The Washington post headline on This Supreme court decision
AND i shared it on my social media accountment to
go breaking.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
News this is The Washington.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
POST a Divided Supreme court cleared the way for states
to ban certain gender transition treatments for. Miners even the
phrasing is. Dishonest but then listen to this a polarizing national?
Issue do you think this is really that? Polarizing every
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same parent In america believes that miners should not be
having these. SURGERIES i think it's an eighty twenty. ISSUE
i really, do maybe ninety, ten but a polarizing national.
Issue The trump administration has seized on in initiatives targeting transgender.
(12:00):
Rights do you think that trans miners have a right
to chop their penis off at, Fourteen that's what they're
arguing a transgender right. Is do you think a girls
should have a right to chop her boobs off at
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fifteen for the rest of her? Life do you think
that there should be a right to sterilize children in
The United states because their parents happen to believe this
lie That, SADLY i, MEAN i really do feel sad
for these, kids BECAUSE i think what the data shows
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is they are profoundly, sad many of these, kids and
they're looking for a reason why they are profoundly, sad
and like many, kids they latch onto an idea that
is oftentimes not accurate because they're teenagers and their brains
aren't fully, developed and they, decide if ONLY i were
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to take this huge, step THEN i would be. Happier
the Reason i'm not happy is Because i'm a boy
in a girl's, body Or i'm a girl in a boy's.
Body adults should, say, no it's probably not the reason you're.
Unhappy let's work on trying to make you happier because
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you're an emotional. Teenager let's try and bring you through.
This let's also maybe have conversations that it's okay to
be sad and depressed, sometimes and that part of being
an adult is working through being sad and depressed without
taking drastic. Action we don't want you to feel, Like,
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hey When i'm sad and, DEPRESSED i have to go
grab a bottle of, liquor OR i have to use
an illicit. Substance the best way to deal with emotion
is to work your way through it to become a healthier.
Adult it's not to pretend the emotions are one hundred
percent real and that what you are feeling in a
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small moment of time is actually representative of how you're
going to feel at thirty four or sixty four or
hopefully ninety four one. Day and SO i just feel
like we have failed in many parts of this country
kids and pretending that this is a normal thing and
that we should in some, way some ways affirm their
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necessity of these awful. Surgeries we'll talk about it and
we come. Back i'll take some of your calls on,
it but this is a WIN i wanted to start.
With we're also going to update you on the Latest
Iran israel. Issues we're going to talk With Senator Bill
cassidy From louisiana bottom of the third, hour and Again Jonathan,
scurmetti The Attorney general Of tennessee who won this Big
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Supreme court, ruling will be this top of the third.
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the more accurate way to describe. Those and they are
now blowing. BEAUTIFULLY i do not have a television in this,
studio BUT i am told that they look. Fantastic So trump.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Just making everything better at The White.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
HOUSE i will, say you, Know buck AND i were
in The Oval office With President trump On thursday last,
week And trump wanted us to see all of the
changes that he had. Made he has added a great
deal of gold to The Oval office and it looks really.
Good but first of, ALL i understand that many of
you are Like. Clay you can't even address. YOURSELF i
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look up at the ceiling in the oval, office and
there is an awesome presidential seal in gold that he
is embossed. There he's also right NOW i think this is,
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known but, well, anyway he has broken ground on a
brand new outdoor patio that he is going to create
so he can have basically an outdoor dining room when
the weather IN dc is, good which probably is what
seven and a half eight months out of the year
where you could in theory have a meal outside IN
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dc maybe maybe seven, months and so that is going
to be very. Cool but he's trying to create essentially
the same sort of patio that he has In Mara.
Lago and he was out in front of the media
addressing the situation In. Iran President trump was And i'm
going to play a couple of cuts on that here
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in a. Moment i'm going to continue to take your
reactions to the big decision from The Supreme court Giving
tennessee the, right affirming the state's ability to say that
you can't have surgery trying to change your gender when
you are a, minor something THAT i would imagine almost
all of you out there that our parents think makes,
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sense and so we'll continue to take reaction from that as.
Well The Attorney general Of tennessee who won That Supreme court,
Case Jonathan, scurmetti is scheduled to join us about an
hour from, now and then also we're going to talk
With Senator cassidy Of louisiana bottom half of the hour
in the in the next in the next, hour my final,
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hour and my final two hours here IN. Dc i'll
be back In nashville. Tomorrow, Okay so there has been
a big debate about the decision of whether or not
we should go Into iran and actually use our, own
our own assets to blow up In theory one of these.
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Mountains and For greg, actually who is listening right, NOW i,
said in this, morning do we have THE cnn data
guys on exactly what the polling shows in terms of
who supports and who does not support the cut? Thirteen,
okay we got. That this is FROM cnn earlier. Today
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AND i know there's lots of online pest as people
argue different sides and they've tried to, Argue, oh the
base For trump does not want him to strike in
any Way iran and keep nuclear weapons from being. There
this would in some way betray The America First. AGENDA
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i disagree with, that and so do the vast majority of.
You we're gonna play this cut here in a, moment but.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Let me just say, this there's nothing wrong with.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Disagreeing one of the great things About america is we
don't have to agree on, everything and in, fact by
having discussions debates about what we do and do not agree,
on we oftentimes are going to get to a better.
Result the reason WHY i read The New York times
(20:48):
and The Washington post every morning is BECAUSE i want
to know the arguments that are being made by many
people who disagree with, me AND i am open to
the idea that sometimes they might have arguments that make
sense THAT i should consider as a part of the
arguments That i'm going to discuss with you on any given.
Day conflict one THING i wish we could talk more.
(21:11):
About conflict is good in public. Life without, conflict there is.
Dictatorship the most important right that we have In america
is the right to. Disagree The First amendment is the
most profoundly important of all of our. Rights so the
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fact that every single person doesn't agree on every single
issue is in fact, good and we should debate and
discuss robustly all different sorts of, ideas and over, time
the best argument should. Win this is probably the most
foundational BELIEF i have in my, life to the EXTENT
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i believe in, ANYTHING i believe in the marketplace of.
Ideas this is WHY i was so troubled when suddenly
in The biden administration they're restricting our ability to share
stories On facebook or. YouTube When YouTube wouldn't allow our
interview With President trump that we did with him At
bedminster to be posted because they didn't like some of
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the things he. Said that's the antithesis of the Entire
american democratic. Process you should hear everything that every potential
elected official. Says you should contemplate, them you should consider,
Them you should weigh whether you agree or. Disagree they
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wouldn't post Ran paul's interview with us while Rand paul
was running for reelection In. Kentucky Every kentucky and out
there should be able to hear every single thing Ran paul.
Says Every american should be able to hear every single
thing The president of The United states, says you should weigh,
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it you should consider, it you should contemplate if.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
He has the best. Arguments all of these things are.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Foundational so the fact That Tucker carlson might disagree with
me on whether we should drop a bomb On iran
to wipe out their nuclear, facilities or the fact That
Marjorie Taylor green might disagree with the president if he
decides to do, that that's. Fine we don't all have
to uniformly agree on, everything particularly when hard decisions have
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to be. Made, ultimately when you vote for president of
The United, states do you know what you're voting?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
For?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Judgment you are voting and saying some of the most
difficult decisions that have to be. Made the president is
going to sit right behind that resolute, desk and there
are going to be people that make arguments in multiple
different directions to him about what he should, do and
then he's going to consider all those arguments and he's
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going to make what he thinks is the best. Decisions
sometimes those are really hard. Decisions in, fact if they
make it all the way to the, president they very
often are very hard. Decisions how to Handle iran's nuclear
pursuit is not an easy. Decision if it, were it
would have been decided a generation. Ago the fact that
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it's still being decided by the president is a testament
to how, committed in my, Opinion iran is to getting nuclear,
weapons which actually is super. Rational like take yourself out
of The United states and pretend that you were religious
Fundamentalist Ayatola kameni and The iyatola was sitting there In
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iran takes power nineteen seventy nine and he, SAYS i
want my religious, CLERICS i want The malas to be
in power here for the next thousand. Years what CAN
i do to make sure that that's, happened that that's
going to. Happen IF i were An, IRANIAN i would advise,
him AND i was trying to keep The malas in,
POWER i would, say, sir you should get nuclear. Weapons
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that is a rational decision by. Him he looks At
Kim jong un In North. KOREA i Wish kim jo
onoon didn't have with nuclear weapons In North. Korea guess
what the odds OF us taking Out North korea and
reuniting The korean, peninsula WHICH i think is what would
be the best thing for global, commerce peace and the
growth of human rights in the world becomes almost impossible
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if we have to, consider, well we got a crazy
guy with nuclear. Weapons there's no telling how many tens
of millions of people he might. Kill we'll, just, unfortunately
have to Allow North korea to be a, crazy backwards totalitarian.
Nation the same thing would happen In iran if they
got nuclear. Weapons The ayah totally gets. It Most americans get.
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It in, fact even CNN's Harry inton this morning was
discussing ON cnn that the vast majority Of, Americans independents And, Democrats, Republicans,
democrats and independence All americans overwhelmingly agree That iran should
not get nuclear, weapons and then a substantial overwhelming majority
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Of republicans actually believe That trump should be willing to
Use american force to keep that from. Happening here is
what it sounded like ON cnn this, morning play cut.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Thirteen there's been a lot of talk online and on
social media and in podcasts of a divide within The republican,
ranks but here on this, question IF I RAN's trying
to make a nuclear, weapon look at that sixty nine
percent Of. Republicans the, clear vast majority Of republicans FAVOR
us air strikes On iran on their nuclear. Facilities but
there is this substantial minority twenty seven, percent who oppose
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such an. Idea so it's not surprising you're hearing those other.
Voices Besides Donald trump out, there there are plenty of
them in The republican ranks who oppose striking THE us
Striking iran if they're trying to make a nuclear. Weapon
but the clear, majority the clear majority Of republicans are
With Donald trump if in Fact iran is trying.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
To make nuclear.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Weapons they do in fact potentially FAVOR us air.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Strike, okay and it's around eighty percent Of, Democrats, republicans
And independents in that same clip that Agree iran getting
nuclear weapon is a bad. Thing, now some people are, saying,
Well America first would never support. This America first doesn't
mean that we have to rely on other. Countries just
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choosing not to BOMB Us america first means we should
Protect americans. FIRST i agree with, that And americans are
protected more so if fewer crazy people have nuclear, weapons
which could kill theoretically millions Of americans in the. FUTURE
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i don't see this as a difficult. Decision If Donald,
trump who has consistently in his, career is being advised
that by attacking this mountain In iran where they are
trying to create nuclear, weapons that we could once and
for all wipe out the ability Of iran to get nuclear.
Weapons that seems to me to be the very foundational
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element Of america first, now and around seventy percent Of
republican voters seem to. Agree now larger, context what should
we do beyond? THAT i think that's actually the difficult.
Call my concern is if The iatolas are left in
control Of, iran they are not going to give up
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on getting nuclear, weapons because it is eminently rational of
them to want nuclear. Weapons doesn't mean that it's better
for the, world but it is eminently rational Of iran
to want nuclear. Weapons why do you believe That iran
is suddenly going to, say, oh you know, what we
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don't want nuclear. Weapons this government since nineteen seventy nine
has said death To, america death To.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Israel they can't have nuclear.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Weapons if we agree on, that and most of us,
do then the next question is do you believe they're
ever going to stop trying to get. Them the analogy
THAT i made yesterday was it's a little bit like.
Antibiosotics for those there that have that have an, illness
you start taking. Antibiotics if you take your entire, antibiotics
(29:09):
you kill the. Infection if you take half of, them
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hometown where The Attorney general of The state.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Of, tennessee my home, state has.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Won a Huge Supreme court victory this morning by a
six to three, margin and The Supreme court affirmed The
state Of tennessee's right to restrict so called gender surgery
treatments however you want to classify it for minors living
in the state Of. Tennessee and the man who helped
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to argue that case and construct the defense of the
law passed by The Tennessee state legislature is The Attorney
general Of, Tennessee Jonathan. Scrimetti he joins, Us, now first of, all,
Congrats and what's it? Like how do you become aware
that you have won a big case like? This where were?
You does your phone blow? UP i, mean that's got
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to be a pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Feeling what was that?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Like, well IT'S i, mean it's, crazy it's. Crazy you.
KNOW i did not expect it to come out. TODAY
i thought we'd have another week or so to. Wait
and then all of a, sudden My Solicitor General Matt,
rice who argued the case in The Supreme, court said
it's out and then we immediately scrambled to read it
and see what. Happened AND i still haven't been through
all of the, opinions working my way through, them but,
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yeah my phone absolutely blew. Up we've been doing a
bunch of media. Stuff Senator blackburn AND i did a
press conference ON ai a few minutes ago, too so
there was a little break from The Supreme court. Stuff
but it's been a busy. DAY i, mean people care
a lot about this. Issue we have fought so hard on,
It we've taken so much fire for. It it is
really vindicating to come out with the.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Win all, RIGHT i think you're one of the best attorney, general.
Smartest i'm not just saying this because you happen to
be in my. STATE i think if you look at the,
data you have been on the right side of a
lot of these. Issues having said, that would you have
ever believed that you would need to argue that you
can't do these surgeries on minor children when in the
context of body Alteration it's been common since for generations,
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that for, instance a fifteen year old couldn't get a
full back tattoo virtually, anywhere that no parent would be
allowed to do. That it's kind of staggering that we got,
here isn't.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
It it is incredible how fast everything is. Moved but
that comes on the back of decades and decades of
academic work by people who, are you, know really focused
on the. Ideology and what we saw when we put
this case. Together what we, saw Because alabama had been
litigating it and Their Attorney, General Steve, marshall had been
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fighting really, hard is that all the science underlying giving
these treatments to kids was, fraudulent that it had been
doctored in ways that were particularly designed to affect the
outcomes in. Court and so it's just built on a
house of. Sand and you see even these countries In,
europe you, know THE uk And sweden And norway and
all these countries which are by no means, conservative but
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as they look at the evidence coming, in they've, said
we can't do this to our. Kids there's huge, risk
there's little if any. Benefit, so you, know it's it's
wild that we have seen such big. CHANGES i think
what we're seeing now is a course correction and people
realizing that as real these feelings are for, kids as
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hard as it is to deal with gender, dysphoria the
evidence just does not support these treatments for.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Them, Okay so six' Three supreme court says the State
of tennessee can. Do this this means that other states
out there are also able to put in place similar
laws as The one. Tennessee has but it also MEANS
that i would imagine other states are not required to follow.
(36:28):
This law they can pass their. Own laws what are
your thoughts As The attorney General of tennessee on the
idea Of a, tennessee kid, let's say Going to Illinois
Or new York. Or california do you think this should
be something looked at on a? Federal level how do
you look at those kind? Of decisions someone leaving the
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state to have a surgery that wouldn't be Allowed.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
In tennessee So the constitution gives each state a lot
of authority about what goes on. IN state i certainly
got very strong personal opinions, about this, but legally you
know what we can Do in tennessee is stop stuff
from coming in from. Other states so if a doctor
is trying to send hormones into the state. For kid,
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you know That's against. Tennessee law we could do something,
about that, you know there are certain laws that can
deal with, you know folks who aren't the parents trying
to take kids out. Of state but there are still
some really complicated legal issues. Out THERE and, i think,
YOU know i suspect that at the end of, the
day this is going to be resolved by the medical
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evidence as opposed to. BY litigation i think you're you're
you're seeing a lot of momentum on the side of
how however serious a problem, this, is permanent irreversible treatments
for kids is not. The answer, you know most kids
outgrow feelings of, gender confusion and so subjecting them to
these these procedures that will, sterilize them that can eliminate
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any sort of, sexual function that cause all sorts of potential,
development issues both physically. And cognitively, you know the science just.
Isn't there and my hope is that as people pull
back from the, culture war pull back from, the ideology
and just look at what the medical research, tells us
you're going to see a lot of these hard left
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states move in The direction, tennessee's gone not because they're,
culture warriors but because. They're rational.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
That's.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Well, said also it, would suggest AND again i know
you're the, attorney general BUT that i would imagine we
both have law degrees here to what you.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Just said as kids.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Are aging and there are not an insubstantial number of
these kids that are growing into adults, and, DECIDING boy
I wish i had never done. THIS surgery i want to.
DE transition i would think a lot of these kids
who were minors when they had surgery would have real
compelling lawsuit opportunities as plaintiffs against the doctors and hospitals
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that operated on them. As miners wouldn't there be in,
your mind some claims out there that are likely to
be moving through the, court, system which in addition to
all of the investigatory data that, is, saying hey this
is not actually making kids healthier or, better off there's
also potentially liability from a civil perspective that many of
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these doctors and hospitals might.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
BE facing i think that's absolutely. A consideration and, you
know particularly when you look at the people who are
pushing the, fraudulent research you know that that is difficult,
to defend and of course there are jurisdictional issues people
have to have a cause of action. To BRING but
i certainly would be pretty NERVOUS if i were somebody
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who had been. Doing this, you know it's still relatively
early for large numbers of people to be getting, these
treatments and as time, goes on, you know it's inevitable
that the number of detransitioners, goes up maybe goes up
very quickly to a very. Big number, you know there
is a lot of potential, exposure There and i'm sure
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that there are lawyers on both sides of the v
looking at what that. Might portend talking.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
To The attorney General, At Tennessee jonathan scermetti big six'
three win on behalf of the state as it pertains,
TO these treatments i. THINK that's important i started off
the show talking about having a great deal of empathy
and sympathy for a lot of these kids who are,
being led astray. But also parents i'm sure you've heard
(40:39):
more than anybody you got ready, for this case the
number of times, that, you heard oh you can either
have a, live you know daughter or, a dead son
or some variation of that that a medical professional would,
tell a parent which is a form of Emotional blackmail
that i'm not sure most parents are prepared, to deal
(41:01):
with because the idea of something like suicide is so
awful for so many parents out there to think about
this is this is really kind of staggering that it became?
A commonplace argument did you? Feel that way also just
even stepping a bit out of the law and looking
at the larger culture.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Surrounding THIS discussion so i think.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
The single biggest thing that happened at the argument in
this Case Is, when CHASE strangio the aclu, lawyer on
it conceded that this does not have an effect, on
suicide rates because that is that is what's been used
to push a lot of, parents and listen this is really.
Hard for kids this is really hard. For their parents
they are dealing with a very confusing, and complicated issue
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and there's been such an ideological influence on how this
has discussed, that you know what's best for your kid
gets tied up with somebody. Else's POLITICAL agenda and i
have a lot of sympathy for families that are. Dealing
with this we all need to be, thoughtful AND supportive
and i mean this, is a. Hard Hard thing so
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i'm hoping that by shining the light on the debate
about medical evidence and by bringing the actual evidence, to
the forefront and that's what. THE court, did i mean
this is squarely about the legislature's ability to evaluate evidence
and reach a decision in. The medical context i'm hoping
that by talking, about the evidence we're able to bring
some more clarity and some comfort to families and not
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just have this be a snap decision based, on you
know who they voted for for president or who they're
talking to and what they. Care about politics this is
a really serious MEDICAL issue and i don't think we've
been doing right. By our kids did you?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Expect this result it's always hard for anybody out there
that is trying to analyze questions and the overall oral argument.
Aspect of this were you confident this would? Be the
result what did you expect and how does it comport
with the result now that?
Speaker 5 (43:02):
You have it so argument. Went really, WELL you know
i thought our. BRIEFING was great i have a. Phenomenal
team here they, did, a really really. Really good job
they worked. Hard on this but you never you never want.
TO be confident i mean that justices have months and
months to. Go over this they could have come up
with with some issues that we hadn't. Even thought, about
(43:22):
you know they're looking at the effect of their decision
on the law. As a whole there were a bunch
of Different ways the court could have gone to give us,
a WIN here and I Think the chief justice very
carefully chose a narrow path that really focuses on the
fact that we're talking about kids. And medical treatment this
is not a case. About transgender status this is not
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a case. About sex, discrimination you know necessarily you have
to take into account whether somebody's a boy or a
girl when you're looking at how, medications affect them because
there is a. Physical DIFFERENCE sometimes and i thought this
opinion did a really good job of walking through why
this is not a big ideological issue but simply a
traditional look at how legislatures regulate the, practice of medicine
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which is something they've been doing for. Hundreds of years.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Last, question for you and maybe there's an answer. Different than,
this IT seemed as i have had a chance to,
look at this that treating trans people as not a
protected class is a significant component. Of this ruling was
there anything else that you've picked up on that you
think is significant not only for this case but going
forward so far that may not be getting talked about.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Enough, or discussed, so you.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
Know there was talk About whether the court should look
at whether transgender status is, a protected Class And the,
chief justice said we don't have to get there because
this isn't about a law that's directed. At transgender people
it's about a law that's directed at medical. Treatments for
kids so there was A Concurrence by Justice Barrett that
justice thomas, joined, that said well we don't think it's
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a protected class us. And here's why there was An
Opinion by justice, Alito that said i'm Not sure the
court's really able to. Duck this question so this is.
Looming out there there'll probably be more litigation. On that
front Given how aggressive tennessee's legislature has been on these
issues and how aggressive we've. Been litigating, them you know
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we may well be in the middle of. That going
forward but there are still open questions Here that the
court's going to have to answer.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
At, some, point well congratulations thank you On behalf of,
tennesseeans for sure but also many people across the nation
listening to, us right now who feel like you have
won a big battle for sanity and for parents and
for kids that are dealing with difficult. Issues out there, so,
thank you congratulations and we.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Appreciate the.
Speaker 5 (45:46):
Time thank You.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Look That's Tennessee Attorney general jonathan scrimetti reacting to the
big decision that came down a little.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
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bill cassidy he is working through on the. Big beautiful bill, Let's,
start there senator. Appreciate the time how? OPTIMISTIC are, you
i heard or at Least Saw That Susie willes's white
house chief of staff just encouraged everyone to get this
thing Done before the, july fourth holiday that obviously. Is
(47:29):
very soon are you optimistic that things are moving? In
that direction where would you say the bill?
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Is right, NOW you know.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
I don't care if we get It done, By july
fourth that's it's kind of. An artificial deadline can we
get It done by july eleventh and the world? Keeps?
Going around, yet absolutely does but we will. GET something
done i just want to get something done right as
opposed to.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
Something done, quickly.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
All right what is right about this bill?
Speaker 3 (47:54):
In, your mind well let me just Talk about what
i'm responsible for Which Is. The help committee if our
goal is to help Middle and working america have a
better Life In the United, states of america we can
start with a. Student loan Mess if the biden people
had said four or, five years ago let's screw, up
student loans they couldn't have done a better job than.
(48:15):
What they did so we're going to end the scheme
that transfers the money that the debt from somebody who
willingly took it to go to college to the guy
that never went or paid. BACK his, loan i mean
if the truck drivers paying back his, truck loan debt
why doesn't the student pay back the. Student loan debt
we're going. To increase affordability we're going to. Hold universities
(48:37):
accountable we're going to increase access to things like technical
schools so somebody can be a master weld or go
out and make six figures working like. They Want to
so i'll start WITH that because i think we're going
to do a really good.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Job, with that.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Okay so the bill you are optimistic is. Going to
pass we Talked with while i've been UP, Here In
dc Ran Paul. And ron johnson they seem to think
there needs to be. MORE spending cuts I Read The
wall street journal. Editorial this morning they say that seems.
To be occurring but you are optimistic that there will
be at least fifty votes, on this bill with at
(49:15):
A minimum jd vance able to, break the tie and
things are. Looking, GOOD there.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yes i do and some of the spending cuts are
going to be things which kind of balloon. In the
future so you don't fix a problem with spending right,
off to that but you want to begin to point
The ship of state in a direction which begins to
lower that. Debt over time and if, you get greedy
(49:42):
oh we're going to cut everything, all at once. It
never happens but if, you say no we're going to
make changes and those changes will grow over time according
to the pathway in, which we start then you can
actually decrease the spending and that should. Be the goal and,
by the way if it can't pass the Center, of
the house then it's just. A debate society it's something
that Can. Pass the Senate, in the.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
House We're Talking to Senator.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Bolcacidy, of louisiana okay obviously tons Of discussion About. Israel
And iran the president talked to the media earlier today
as he was putting up the new flag poles about The.
Situation in Iran if the president called, you right now
your advice to him WOULD be.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
What I think the president's handling. It pretty well israel
has been given free reign to go in and attempt
to take out Their. Bomb the iranians they are. Shooting
fewer missiles you can imagine that The bombing that israel
has done and the Sabotage of the iranian ballistic missile
sites is starting to just decrease the number they have. To,
shoot Off ideally the iranians will come to, the bargaining
(50:42):
table but, by the way that Should. Not restrain israel
israel should be doing everything they can to make sure
that hopefully there's regime change, from my perspective but also
that they don't have the ability to further develop their
nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
As you Look, at, the, uh well okay so all.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
That's super serious are you going TO be Watching lsu
play arkansas Tonight In The?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
COLLEGE world.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
SERIES i, am i, mean you know the Crazy thing is.
Arkansas is, favored i'm Thinking how can arkansas be favored
when we beat him two out of the three during
the year and then we just. Beat him again but
it's gonna be, a great game and it's.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Two GOOD teams is lsu going to have a better
baseball team this year or? A football team.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
I think that they are going to win the national,
championship IN baseball and i think they can. Contend in
football football is so. Dependent upon injuries but we've got,
a great quarterback Fifth Year. Senior. Garrett nusmeyer uh some
people say he Might Be a. Heisman trophy, Candidate of course.
Hope springs eternal but we've had two in the last six,
or SEVEN years so i.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
Think we're going to.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Be, pretty good man? Who's your Team?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Who's your Well i'm A university, of tennessee fans so
born and raised in The. State OF tennessee but i,
will SAY this and i do think this is uh
that this is one of the great things, That you
know buck is not. On right now, he's you know
Over In the french riviera selling ads, for the show
so not a tough. Job for him but he had
never been to a. College football game i've taken HIM to.
(52:06):
MULTIPLE sec games i. Love college football it's probably, my
favorite thing just for pure entertainment. In the country for
people who have never BEEN to an, lsu night game
people who have never been, to baton rouge how would you?
Describe the experience what would what would you tell them
to expect if they are able to go, to a game.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
If it is.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
A big Game lsu Played Tennessee and nick saban's first
or second year when HE was At lsu and, tennessee
was favored we won on a. Last second play there
is no, excitement like that and the crowd stay, in
the crowd stay, in the stadium and they just cheer and.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
Cheer and cheer.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
It is, Electrifying is overused. It is electrifying it is.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
An INCREDIBLE experience and I would say i HAD buddies
and i took HIM To an lsu oregon game a
few Years Ago in jerry World in the Dallas In The,
dallas cowboys stadium and one of my buddies turned to me,
AND he said i don't understand how these people can
still walk given how much alcohol they have consumed at.
The pregame tailgate does anybody throw a BETTER party? Than
(53:16):
lsu fans? In your mind?
Speaker 3 (53:18):
BEFORE the game i can tell you our tailgates where
they'll put alligator on the barbecue and have jumbalayah and.
A two fay, the food's, fantastic and yes the fans do,
get Pretty spirited but i'm sure that includes the contributes
to the atmosphere. Within the stadium but they're also very.
Welcoming of others they see you walking, down and yes
(53:40):
if you're wearing as they said In, THE blind side
i got Off of The. Orange for tennessee you may
get a, jey or two but as a rule of
people are happy.
Speaker 5 (53:49):
TO see others i want.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
TO give plaudits i know we're On, all OVER louisiana
but i was Down For, the SUPER bowl and i
know the awful terror attack that Happened With the sugar
bowl about. To have happened but there seems to be
in Your state of louisiana very positive trajectory in. Terms
of safety You got a Republican governor in you've, been
(54:11):
working hard a lot of others. Have as well do
you feel good momentum about the lessening of violence and
the return of safety for lots of people who May,
come To Louisiana, particularly new orleans which is one of
the top tourist destinations in.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
The, entire, world frankly.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Absolutely if you look, at the statistics the rate of crime.
Is going down they've got systems in place to. Make
it happen the state and the locals are making, it
a priority and they understand that people are not going
To Live in new Orleans Or visit new orleans. Unless
it's safe and now they've made it. A lot safer there's.
Room to. Go that's fine there's always a way to
get better, than you are but. They're making progress and,
(54:49):
by The, WAY super bowl i thought that the city
almost had. Never looked better.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
It was fabulous it really.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Was fabulous and. A good time and of course it's
a great city to have an event because you can
walk every place enjoy yourself that, time of year. The
weather's pleasant and, along the way, by the way we're
getting lots of good investments, with good jobs so my. State's,
looking up yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Let me just point. This out too we got a lot.
Of history nerds i'm one of. Them Out There The
World war Two Museum in new orleans is one of,
the best museums if not the best museum almost anywhere.
In the country i'm sure you've BEEN several times i.
HAVE as well i try to Go every Time I'm
in new orleans for people who, haven't been there how?
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Spectacular is it.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
It really is and it's also. For young KIDS and when,
i say young my grandson is eleven and he's, been
fifteen times fazing big enough that he can see something. New, every,
time now granted wants he want on my phone to
take pictures. Of THE airplanes then i realize he's taking
pictures of the girls on the side.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Of, THE plane oh i saw on the bombers they
had the pretty girls on the side. Of, THE plane
yes i know exactly what. HE'S talking about I don't
think i, took A picture. But, i noticed, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
YOU noticed.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Senator i, appreciate the time and we will talk. To,
you again pilcassidy good luck on the big beautiful, Bill.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
That.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Is senator pilcassidy that. Is really, funny the bombers the
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Welcome in The Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Wednesday edition.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I am
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Appreciate all of you. I am in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I've been up here for two weeks with my oldest
son doing an internship with Senator Bill Haggerty's office in
the Senate.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He has loved it, and I appreciate Senator.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Haggerty for keeping he and his debate partner busy and
learning a lot. So I will be back in Nashville tomorrow,
but it has been an eventful time. I'm to be
up here. By the way, the reason I'm going to
be back is probably not going to shock you. The
federal government, at least at Congress is shut for two
(01:09):
days for the Juneteenth Holiday.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
This is real. They are off Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I got to have two days of not working because
of the Juneteenth Holiday. So that is why we are
headed back because Congress is going to be shut down
and as a result, they are not going to be
working on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And so yeah, I you know on my calendar.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I don't know about you, but I hadn't blocked off
the Juneteenth holiday. I will be with all of you,
not taking two days to celebrate Juneteenth, but we will.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We'll be back. I'll be back at Nashville on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
And the reason I want to say, I'm back in Nashville,
my home state, my home city. And I was proud
this morning when I woke up and a major Supreme
Court decision came down that we have talked about on
this program. And I think it's not a revolutionary idea,
it's not a crazy idea. But the state of Tennessee
(02:08):
decided that miners would not be allowed to have their
gender change. They would not allow this phrase gender affirming care.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
To take place.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They wouldn't let you if you're fourteen get your boobs
chopped off. They wouldn't let you if you're fifteen or sixteen.
I hate to be graphic, but get your penis chopped
off because you think you're a girl, or more sadly,
because your parents think that you are a boy or
a girl in a different body.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
They wouldn't allow.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You to get puberty blockers, which have been shown to
sometimes sterilize people. And they wouldn't allow these surgeries which
can and treatments which can. As I just mentioned, you're
doing something at thirteen or fourteen years old that might
keep you from growing up and having children one day.
(03:00):
That is crazy, and I have been saying on this
program for a very long time. Strip it away from
this gender related issues. In most states, you cannot get
your fourteen year old a tattoo legally without being prosecuted
as a parent. And that doesn't even consider what your
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spouse might do to you. If I came back from Washington,
DC and my son had an arm sleeve tattoo, I
think my wife would murder me. I'm not kidding about it.
He is seventeen. If I came back from Washington, DC
and she was like, well, how did the internship how
did you do being responsible for our oldest son for
(03:45):
two weeks? And I said, well, it went great. And
you know, we were out one night and I thought
to myself, we should go into a tattoo parlor, and
so I got him a full back tattoo. It looks awesome.
I think she would murder me. I'm not even kidding.
I think my wife would look at me, would turn,
(04:06):
would walk into the closet, get the gun, come back
and just shoot me and say you can't be trusted anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And it would be prosecutable.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Sometimes I feel like in this world in which we
live in, we have forgotten that there were other generations
before us, and they had some small measure of wisdom.
And one of those elements of wisdom which everyone who
has ever been a teenager before in life has come
(04:39):
to as you get older, is yeah, lots of times
teenagers are morons. It would probably be better if we
didn't have them make a tremendous amount of life altering
decisions at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old. What you think
at fourteen is often not what you're gonna think at
(04:59):
twe four, forty four, sixty four, And everybody out there
listening right now, you're all nodding.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
As I have said for some time.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Speaking as a former teenage boy, no one is dumber
in the entire history of the world at any age
than teenage boys. They think, and we used to think,
we are the coolest people who ever, who have ever lived.
No one has a larger sense of self regard and
a lower sense of actual talent than a sixteen year
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old boy of any age at any point in history.
You all know it, You've all seen it. And as
a result, sixteen year old boys often make disastrous decisions.
The most dangerous drivers on the planet sixteen year old boys.
So we say, as a society, hey, you know what,
(05:51):
let's try and limit some of the decisions that more
on teenagers can make that might have incredibly devastating impact
for them as adults. I'll give you some examples. We
don't let kids even rent cars. I believe I am
(06:11):
correct that you have to be twenty five years old
to rent a car in most states in this country
right now. We don't allow most I believe I'm correct
on this too. We don't allow most eighteen year olds
to rent hotel rooms because we don't trust what they
(06:31):
might do in the hotel room. We don't let twenty
year olds actually by beer in this country. Yet you're
gonna tell me that a twelve or thirteen year old
should make the life altering decision that they're not the
gender that they are in their body. Now, I don't
(06:51):
even blame the kids, I really don't. I blame the
parents who are allowing this to become a reac You ever,
notice how the more left wing you are, the more
likely you are to have trans kids. This is the reality.
(07:12):
There's lots of people in Hollywood that have multiple trans kids.
The idea of one parent having multiple trans kids is
statistically off the charts improbable. Yet it's happening all the
time in LA, It's happening all the time in New York.
The richer you are, the more of a celebrity you are,
(07:33):
the more likely you are to have a trans kid.
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And so we have made a lot of decisions about
the choices that kids should be able to make and
that their parents should be able to make on their behalf.
And we're going to talk at two o'clock Eastern on
this program with the Attorney General of Tennessee Jonathan Scermetti,
who just won a six' to Three Supreme court decision,
saying in the state Of, tennessee you cannot treat someone
(08:02):
to change their gender when they are a. Minor this
is hyper, rational this is basic common. Sense the fact
that we have such a delusion in this country that
all three left wing Judges Kagan sodomayor And Katanji Brown
jackson would all say the state shouldn't be allowed to
(08:23):
do this is a sign of incredible mental illness on
the left and how this woke virus has spread that
we have gotten here. AGAIN i would just like to
ask those three justices do you believe that fourteen year
old should be able to get full body? TATTOOS i
(08:45):
bet they would say, No, well the tattoo is less
significant medically than potentially sterilizing a child at fourteen years,
old which they are arguing the state should not be
able to. Prohibit and SO i JUST i look AT
i mean, AGAIN i think of this in the context of,
(09:06):
tattoos because it's a body altering in some way. Procedure
AND i don't think there's anybody in The Supreme court
right now who would, say, hey we are going to
disallow a state from prohibiting minors from getting. Tattoos that,
(09:26):
is in other, WORDS i think Nine Supreme court justices would, say,
yeah it's in the state's interest to allow us all
kids restricted from being able to get. Tattoos yet they're
going to say that it shouldn't be permissible for a
state to stop. This i'm sure there's knucklehead fourteen and
(09:47):
fifteen year old kids out there that have wanted to
get tattoos and have wanted to sue their parents for
not allowing it or the state for not allowing. It
but we would overwhelmingly, say, well that's. Appropriate so somehow
it has become orthodoxy on the left to allow. This
we'll talk about this With Jonathan. Scermadi but here's WHAT
i want to say. Too we should have national legislation
(10:11):
to stop this from. Happening AND i mean, AGAIN i
want to reiterate this because it's important because the result
here and Bravo, tennessee my home state for getting this
done and winning this, case but the result is going to, be,
well we'll just travel To illinois and have this, surgery
or we'll just travel To New york and have this
(10:32):
surgery or world has traveled To. California gender surgeries on
minors should be prohibited. Nationwide we shouldn't be allowing A
tennesseean or An, alabamian or A, georgian or A texan
or A floridian to get on an airplane and travel
somewhere to get their genitals chopped.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Off this is just crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Town the fact that this has Become Democrat party. ORTHODOXY
i just Read i'm IN dc right. NOW i just
read The Washington post headline on This Supreme court decision
AND i shared it on my social media accountment to
go breaking.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
News this is The Washington.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
POST a Divided Supreme court cleared the way for states
to ban certain gender transition treatments for. Miners even the
phrasing is. Dishonest but then listen to this a polarizing national?
Issue do you think this is really that? Polarizing every
(11:39):
same parent In america believes that miners should not be
having these. SURGERIES i think it's an eighty twenty. ISSUE
i really, do maybe ninety, ten but a polarizing national.
Issue The trump administration has seized on in initiatives targeting transgender.
(12:00):
Rights do you think that trans miners have a right
to chop their penis off at, Fourteen that's what they're
arguing a transgender right. Is do you think a girls
should have a right to chop her boobs off at
(12:22):
fifteen for the rest of her? Life do you think
that there should be a right to sterilize children in
The United states because their parents happen to believe this
lie That, SADLY i, MEAN i really do feel sad
for these, kids BECAUSE i think what the data shows
(12:45):
is they are profoundly, sad many of these, kids and
they're looking for a reason why they are profoundly, sad
and like many, kids they latch onto an idea that
is oftentimes not accurate because they're teenagers and their brains
aren't fully, developed and they, decide if ONLY i were
(13:08):
to take this huge, step THEN i would be. Happier
the Reason i'm not happy is Because i'm a boy
in a girl's, body Or i'm a girl in a boy's.
Body adults should, say, no it's probably not the reason you're.
Unhappy let's work on trying to make you happier because
(13:29):
you're an emotional. Teenager let's try and bring you through.
This let's also maybe have conversations that it's okay to
be sad and depressed, sometimes and that part of being
an adult is working through being sad and depressed without
taking drastic. Action we don't want you to feel, Like,
(13:53):
hey When i'm sad and, DEPRESSED i have to go
grab a bottle of, liquor OR i have to use
an illicit. Substance the best way to deal with emotion
is to work your way through it to become a healthier.
Adult it's not to pretend the emotions are one hundred
percent real and that what you are feeling in a
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small moment of time is actually representative of how you're
going to feel at thirty four or sixty four or
hopefully ninety four one. Day and SO i just feel
like we have failed in many parts of this country
kids and pretending that this is a normal thing and
that we should in some, way some ways affirm their
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necessity of these awful. Surgeries we'll talk about it and
we come. Back i'll take some of your calls on,
it but this is a WIN i wanted to start.
With we're also going to update you on the Latest
Iran israel. Issues we're going to talk With Senator Bill
cassidy From louisiana bottom of the third, hour and Again Jonathan,
scurmetti The Attorney general Of tennessee who won this Big
(14:58):
Supreme court, ruling will be this top of the third.
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the more accurate way to describe. Those and they are
now blowing. BEAUTIFULLY i do not have a television in this,
studio BUT i am told that they look. Fantastic So trump.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Just making everything better at The White.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
HOUSE i will, say you, Know buck AND i were
in The Oval office With President trump On thursday last,
week And trump wanted us to see all of the
changes that he had. Made he has added a great
deal of gold to The Oval office and it looks really.
Good but first of, ALL i understand that many of
you are Like. Clay you can't even address. YOURSELF i
(17:24):
don't know IF i would trust you on whether or
not you can judge anything of any. Consequence SO i respect,
that BUT i will tell you like you sit and
look up at the ceiling in the oval, office and
there is an awesome presidential seal in gold that he
is embossed. There he's also right NOW i think this is,
(17:45):
known but, well, anyway he has broken ground on a
brand new outdoor patio that he is going to create
so he can have basically an outdoor dining room when
the weather IN dc is, good which probably is what
seven and a half eight months out of the year
where you could in theory have a meal outside IN
(18:05):
dc maybe maybe seven, months and so that is going
to be very. Cool but he's trying to create essentially
the same sort of patio that he has In Mara.
Lago and he was out in front of the media
addressing the situation In. Iran President trump was And i'm
going to play a couple of cuts on that here
(18:26):
in a. Moment i'm going to continue to take your
reactions to the big decision from The Supreme court Giving
tennessee the, right affirming the state's ability to say that
you can't have surgery trying to change your gender when
you are a, minor something THAT i would imagine almost
all of you out there that our parents think makes,
(18:47):
sense and so we'll continue to take reaction from that as.
Well The Attorney general Of tennessee who won That Supreme court,
Case Jonathan, scurmetti is scheduled to join us about an
hour from, now and then also we're going to talk
With Senator cassidy Of louisiana bottom half of the hour
in the in the next in the next, hour my final,
(19:10):
hour and my final two hours here IN. Dc i'll
be back In nashville. Tomorrow, Okay so there has been
a big debate about the decision of whether or not
we should go Into iran and actually use our, own
our own assets to blow up In theory one of these.
(19:34):
Mountains and For greg, actually who is listening right, NOW i,
said in this, morning do we have THE cnn data
guys on exactly what the polling shows in terms of
who supports and who does not support the cut? Thirteen,
okay we got. That this is FROM cnn earlier. Today
(19:56):
AND i know there's lots of online pest as people
argue different sides and they've tried to, Argue, oh the
base For trump does not want him to strike in
any Way iran and keep nuclear weapons from being. There
this would in some way betray The America First. AGENDA
(20:17):
i disagree with, that and so do the vast majority of.
You we're gonna play this cut here in a, moment but.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Let me just say, this there's nothing wrong with.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Disagreeing one of the great things About america is we
don't have to agree on, everything and in, fact by
having discussions debates about what we do and do not agree,
on we oftentimes are going to get to a better.
Result the reason WHY i read The New York times
(20:48):
and The Washington post every morning is BECAUSE i want
to know the arguments that are being made by many
people who disagree with, me AND i am open to
the idea that sometimes they might have arguments that make
sense THAT i should consider as a part of the
arguments That i'm going to discuss with you on any given.
Day conflict one THING i wish we could talk more.
(21:11):
About conflict is good in public. Life without, conflict there is.
Dictatorship the most important right that we have In america
is the right to. Disagree The First amendment is the
most profoundly important of all of our. Rights so the
(21:32):
fact that every single person doesn't agree on every single
issue is in fact, good and we should debate and
discuss robustly all different sorts of, ideas and over, time
the best argument should. Win this is probably the most
foundational BELIEF i have in my, life to the EXTENT
(21:52):
i believe in, ANYTHING i believe in the marketplace of.
Ideas this is WHY i was so troubled when suddenly
in The biden administration they're restricting our ability to share
stories On facebook or. YouTube When YouTube wouldn't allow our
interview With President trump that we did with him At
bedminster to be posted because they didn't like some of
(22:15):
the things he. Said that's the antithesis of the Entire
american democratic. Process you should hear everything that every potential
elected official. Says you should contemplate, them you should consider,
Them you should weigh whether you agree or. Disagree they
(22:35):
wouldn't post Ran paul's interview with us while Rand paul
was running for reelection In. Kentucky Every kentucky and out
there should be able to hear every single thing Ran paul.
Says Every american should be able to hear every single
thing The president of The United states, says you should weigh,
(22:56):
it you should consider, it you should contemplate if.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
He has the best. Arguments all of these things are.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Foundational so the fact That Tucker carlson might disagree with
me on whether we should drop a bomb On iran
to wipe out their nuclear, facilities or the fact That
Marjorie Taylor green might disagree with the president if he
decides to do, that that's. Fine we don't all have
to uniformly agree on, everything particularly when hard decisions have
(23:24):
to be. Made, ultimately when you vote for president of
The United, states do you know what you're voting?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
For?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Judgment you are voting and saying some of the most
difficult decisions that have to be. Made the president is
going to sit right behind that resolute, desk and there
are going to be people that make arguments in multiple
different directions to him about what he should, do and
then he's going to consider all those arguments and he's
(23:50):
going to make what he thinks is the best. Decisions
sometimes those are really hard. Decisions in, fact if they
make it all the way to the, president they very
often are very hard. Decisions how to Handle iran's nuclear
pursuit is not an easy. Decision if it, were it
would have been decided a generation. Ago the fact that
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it's still being decided by the president is a testament
to how, committed in my, Opinion iran is to getting nuclear,
weapons which actually is super. Rational like take yourself out
of The United states and pretend that you were religious
Fundamentalist Ayatola kameni and The iyatola was sitting there In
(24:31):
iran takes power nineteen seventy nine and he, SAYS i
want my religious, CLERICS i want The malas to be
in power here for the next thousand. Years what CAN
i do to make sure that that's, happened that that's
going to. Happen IF i were An, IRANIAN i would advise,
him AND i was trying to keep The malas in,
POWER i would, say, sir you should get nuclear. Weapons
(24:54):
that is a rational decision by. Him he looks At
Kim jong un In North. KOREA i Wish kim jo
onoon didn't have with nuclear weapons In North. Korea guess
what the odds OF us taking Out North korea and
reuniting The korean, peninsula WHICH i think is what would
be the best thing for global, commerce peace and the
growth of human rights in the world becomes almost impossible
(25:18):
if we have to, consider, well we got a crazy
guy with nuclear. Weapons there's no telling how many tens
of millions of people he might. Kill we'll, just, unfortunately
have to Allow North korea to be a, crazy backwards totalitarian.
Nation the same thing would happen In iran if they
got nuclear. Weapons The ayah totally gets. It Most americans get.
(25:38):
It in, fact even CNN's Harry inton this morning was
discussing ON cnn that the vast majority Of, Americans independents And, Democrats, Republicans,
democrats and independence All americans overwhelmingly agree That iran should
not get nuclear, weapons and then a substantial overwhelming majority
(25:59):
Of republicans actually believe That trump should be willing to
Use american force to keep that from. Happening here is
what it sounded like ON cnn this, morning play cut.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Thirteen there's been a lot of talk online and on
social media and in podcasts of a divide within The republican,
ranks but here on this, question IF I RAN's trying
to make a nuclear, weapon look at that sixty nine
percent Of. Republicans the, clear vast majority Of republicans FAVOR
us air strikes On iran on their nuclear. Facilities but
there is this substantial minority twenty seven, percent who oppose
(26:30):
such an. Idea so it's not surprising you're hearing those other.
Voices Besides Donald trump out, there there are plenty of
them in The republican ranks who oppose striking THE us
Striking iran if they're trying to make a nuclear. Weapon
but the clear, majority the clear majority Of republicans are
With Donald trump if in Fact iran is trying.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
To make nuclear.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Weapons they do in fact potentially FAVOR us air.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Strike, okay and it's around eighty percent Of, Democrats, republicans
And independents in that same clip that Agree iran getting
nuclear weapon is a bad. Thing, now some people are, saying,
Well America first would never support. This America first doesn't
mean that we have to rely on other. Countries just
(27:11):
choosing not to BOMB Us america first means we should
Protect americans. FIRST i agree with, that And americans are
protected more so if fewer crazy people have nuclear, weapons
which could kill theoretically millions Of americans in the. FUTURE
(27:31):
i don't see this as a difficult. Decision If Donald,
trump who has consistently in his, career is being advised
that by attacking this mountain In iran where they are
trying to create nuclear, weapons that we could once and
for all wipe out the ability Of iran to get nuclear.
Weapons that seems to me to be the very foundational
(27:53):
element Of america first, now and around seventy percent Of
republican voters seem to. Agree now larger, context what should
we do beyond? THAT i think that's actually the difficult.
Call my concern is if The iatolas are left in
control Of, iran they are not going to give up
(28:15):
on getting nuclear, weapons because it is eminently rational of
them to want nuclear. Weapons doesn't mean that it's better
for the, world but it is eminently rational Of iran
to want nuclear. Weapons why do you believe That iran
is suddenly going to, say, oh you know, what we
(28:36):
don't want nuclear. Weapons this government since nineteen seventy nine
has said death To, america death To.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Israel they can't have nuclear.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Weapons if we agree on, that and most of us,
do then the next question is do you believe they're
ever going to stop trying to get. Them the analogy
THAT i made yesterday was it's a little bit like.
Antibiosotics for those there that have that have an, illness
you start taking. Antibiotics if you take your entire, antibiotics
(29:09):
you kill the. Infection if you take half of, them
you risk the infection coming back stronger and now anti antibiotic,
resistant because you haven't killed the. Virus the virus In
iran is The. Ayatolas if you don't kill the, virus
eventually they may come back stronger than. Ever BECAUSE i
(29:33):
believe they are not going to stop trying to get nuclear.
Weapons that is the more challenging. Question if you buy,
that WHICH i think is, true then the next question, Becomes,
okay what do we do to try to address? That
do we take the next step and Support israel killing The?
Ayatola do we think That iran would let the royal
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family come back in and that that would in some
way make A ron a free or safer, place not
only for the people who live, there but for us
In america and for those of us who believe In
western civilizations supremacy around the. World those are really difficult.
QUESTIONS i Trust trump and his advising. Team Marco, Rubio Pete,
(30:20):
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making arguments to be making the, best, broadest most intelligent,
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Speaker 1 (32:51):
Of, tennessee my home, state has.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Won a Huge Supreme court victory this morning by a
six to three, margin and The Supreme court affirmed The
state Of tennessee's right to restrict so called gender surgery
treatments however you want to classify it for minors living
in the state Of. Tennessee and the man who helped
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to argue that case and construct the defense of the
law passed by The Tennessee state legislature is The Attorney
general Of, Tennessee Jonathan. Scrimetti he joins, Us, now first of, all,
Congrats and what's it? Like how do you become aware
that you have won a big case like? This where were?
You does your phone blow? UP i, mean that's got
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to be a pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Feeling what was that?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Like, well IT'S i, mean it's, crazy it's. Crazy you.
KNOW i did not expect it to come out. TODAY
i thought we'd have another week or so to. Wait
and then all of a, sudden My Solicitor General Matt,
rice who argued the case in The Supreme, court said
it's out and then we immediately scrambled to read it
and see what. Happened AND i still haven't been through
all of the, opinions working my way through, them but,
(34:00):
yeah my phone absolutely blew. Up we've been doing a
bunch of media. Stuff Senator blackburn AND i did a
press conference ON ai a few minutes ago, too so
there was a little break from The Supreme court. Stuff
but it's been a busy. DAY i, mean people care
a lot about this. Issue we have fought so hard on,
It we've taken so much fire for. It it is
really vindicating to come out with the.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Win all, RIGHT i think you're one of the best attorney, general.
Smartest i'm not just saying this because you happen to
be in my. STATE i think if you look at the,
data you have been on the right side of a
lot of these. Issues having said, that would you have
ever believed that you would need to argue that you
can't do these surgeries on minor children when in the
context of body Alteration it's been common since for generations,
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that for, instance a fifteen year old couldn't get a
full back tattoo virtually, anywhere that no parent would be
allowed to do. That it's kind of staggering that we got,
here isn't.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
It it is incredible how fast everything is. Moved but
that comes on the back of decades and decades of
academic work by people who, are you, know really focused
on the. Ideology and what we saw when we put
this case. Together what we, saw Because alabama had been
litigating it and Their Attorney, General Steve, marshall had been
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fighting really, hard is that all the science underlying giving
these treatments to kids was, fraudulent that it had been
doctored in ways that were particularly designed to affect the
outcomes in. Court and so it's just built on a
house of. Sand and you see even these countries In,
europe you, know THE uk And sweden And norway and
all these countries which are by no means, conservative but
(35:41):
as they look at the evidence coming, in they've, said
we can't do this to our. Kids there's huge, risk
there's little if any. Benefit, so you, know it's it's
wild that we have seen such big. CHANGES i think
what we're seeing now is a course correction and people
realizing that as real these feelings are for, kids as
(36:02):
hard as it is to deal with gender, dysphoria the
evidence just does not support these treatments for.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Them, Okay so six' Three supreme court says the State
of tennessee can. Do this this means that other states
out there are also able to put in place similar
laws as The one. Tennessee has but it also MEANS
that i would imagine other states are not required to follow.
(36:28):
This law they can pass their. Own laws what are
your thoughts As The attorney General of tennessee on the
idea Of a, tennessee kid, let's say Going to Illinois
Or new York. Or california do you think this should
be something looked at on a? Federal level how do
you look at those kind? Of decisions someone leaving the
(36:48):
state to have a surgery that wouldn't be Allowed.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
In tennessee So the constitution gives each state a lot
of authority about what goes on. IN state i certainly
got very strong personal opinions, about this, but legally you
know what we can Do in tennessee is stop stuff
from coming in from. Other states so if a doctor
is trying to send hormones into the state. For kid,
(37:12):
you know That's against. Tennessee law we could do something,
about that, you know there are certain laws that can
deal with, you know folks who aren't the parents trying
to take kids out. Of state but there are still
some really complicated legal issues. Out THERE and, i think,
YOU know i suspect that at the end of, the
day this is going to be resolved by the medical
(37:34):
evidence as opposed to. BY litigation i think you're you're
you're seeing a lot of momentum on the side of
how however serious a problem, this, is permanent irreversible treatments
for kids is not. The answer, you know most kids
outgrow feelings of, gender confusion and so subjecting them to
these these procedures that will, sterilize them that can eliminate
(37:57):
any sort of, sexual function that cause all sorts of potential,
development issues both physically. And cognitively, you know the science just.
Isn't there and my hope is that as people pull
back from the, culture war pull back from, the ideology
and just look at what the medical research, tells us
you're going to see a lot of these hard left
(38:18):
states move in The direction, tennessee's gone not because they're,
culture warriors but because. They're rational.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
That's.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Well, said also it, would suggest AND again i know
you're the, attorney general BUT that i would imagine we
both have law degrees here to what you.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Just said as kids.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Are aging and there are not an insubstantial number of
these kids that are growing into adults, and, DECIDING boy
I wish i had never done. THIS surgery i want to.
DE transition i would think a lot of these kids
who were minors when they had surgery would have real
compelling lawsuit opportunities as plaintiffs against the doctors and hospitals
(39:07):
that operated on them. As miners wouldn't there be in,
your mind some claims out there that are likely to
be moving through the, court, system which in addition to
all of the investigatory data that, is, saying hey this
is not actually making kids healthier or, better off there's
also potentially liability from a civil perspective that many of
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these doctors and hospitals might.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
BE facing i think that's absolutely. A consideration and, you
know particularly when you look at the people who are
pushing the, fraudulent research you know that that is difficult,
to defend and of course there are jurisdictional issues people
have to have a cause of action. To BRING but
i certainly would be pretty NERVOUS if i were somebody
(39:53):
who had been. Doing this, you know it's still relatively
early for large numbers of people to be getting, these
treatments and as time, goes on, you know it's inevitable
that the number of detransitioners, goes up maybe goes up
very quickly to a very. Big number, you know there
is a lot of potential, exposure There and i'm sure
(40:13):
that there are lawyers on both sides of the v
looking at what that. Might portend talking.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
To The attorney General, At Tennessee jonathan scermetti big six'
three win on behalf of the state as it pertains,
TO these treatments i. THINK that's important i started off
the show talking about having a great deal of empathy
and sympathy for a lot of these kids who are,
being led astray. But also parents i'm sure you've heard
(40:39):
more than anybody you got ready, for this case the
number of times, that, you heard oh you can either
have a, live you know daughter or, a dead son
or some variation of that that a medical professional would,
tell a parent which is a form of Emotional blackmail
that i'm not sure most parents are prepared, to deal
(41:01):
with because the idea of something like suicide is so
awful for so many parents out there to think about
this is this is really kind of staggering that it became?
A commonplace argument did you? Feel that way also just
even stepping a bit out of the law and looking
at the larger culture.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Surrounding THIS discussion so i think.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
The single biggest thing that happened at the argument in
this Case Is, when CHASE strangio the aclu, lawyer on
it conceded that this does not have an effect, on
suicide rates because that is that is what's been used
to push a lot of, parents and listen this is really.
Hard for kids this is really hard. For their parents
they are dealing with a very confusing, and complicated issue
(41:47):
and there's been such an ideological influence on how this
has discussed, that you know what's best for your kid
gets tied up with somebody. Else's POLITICAL agenda and i
have a lot of sympathy for families that are. Dealing
with this we all need to be, thoughtful AND supportive
and i mean this, is a. Hard Hard thing so
(42:10):
i'm hoping that by shining the light on the debate
about medical evidence and by bringing the actual evidence, to
the forefront and that's what. THE court, did i mean
this is squarely about the legislature's ability to evaluate evidence
and reach a decision in. The medical context i'm hoping
that by talking, about the evidence we're able to bring
some more clarity and some comfort to families and not
(42:31):
just have this be a snap decision based, on you
know who they voted for for president or who they're
talking to and what they. Care about politics this is
a really serious MEDICAL issue and i don't think we've
been doing right. By our kids did you?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Expect this result it's always hard for anybody out there
that is trying to analyze questions and the overall oral argument.
Aspect of this were you confident this would? Be the
result what did you expect and how does it comport
with the result now that?
Speaker 5 (43:02):
You have it so argument. Went really, WELL you know
i thought our. BRIEFING was great i have a. Phenomenal
team here they, did, a really really. Really good job
they worked. Hard on this but you never you never want.
TO be confident i mean that justices have months and
months to. Go over this they could have come up
with with some issues that we hadn't. Even thought, about
(43:22):
you know they're looking at the effect of their decision
on the law. As a whole there were a bunch
of Different ways the court could have gone to give us,
a WIN here and I Think the chief justice very
carefully chose a narrow path that really focuses on the
fact that we're talking about kids. And medical treatment this
is not a case. About transgender status this is not
(43:44):
a case. About sex, discrimination you know necessarily you have
to take into account whether somebody's a boy or a
girl when you're looking at how, medications affect them because
there is a. Physical DIFFERENCE sometimes and i thought this
opinion did a really good job of walking through why
this is not a big ideological issue but simply a
traditional look at how legislatures regulate the, practice of medicine
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which is something they've been doing for. Hundreds of years.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Last, question for you and maybe there's an answer. Different than,
this IT seemed as i have had a chance to,
look at this that treating trans people as not a
protected class is a significant component. Of this ruling was
there anything else that you've picked up on that you
think is significant not only for this case but going
forward so far that may not be getting talked about.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Enough, or discussed, so you.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
Know there was talk About whether the court should look
at whether transgender status is, a protected Class And the,
chief justice said we don't have to get there because
this isn't about a law that's directed. At transgender people
it's about a law that's directed at medical. Treatments for
kids so there was A Concurrence by Justice Barrett that
justice thomas, joined, that said well we don't think it's
(44:59):
a protected class us. And here's why there was An
Opinion by justice, Alito that said i'm Not sure the
court's really able to. Duck this question so this is.
Looming out there there'll probably be more litigation. On that
front Given how aggressive tennessee's legislature has been on these
issues and how aggressive we've. Been litigating, them you know
(45:20):
we may well be in the middle of. That going
forward but there are still open questions Here that the
court's going to have to answer.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
At, some, point well congratulations thank you On behalf of,
tennesseeans for sure but also many people across the nation
listening to, us right now who feel like you have
won a big battle for sanity and for parents and
for kids that are dealing with difficult. Issues out there, so,
thank you congratulations and we.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Appreciate the.
Speaker 5 (45:46):
Time thank You.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Look That's Tennessee Attorney general jonathan scrimetti reacting to the
big decision that came down a little.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
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bill cassidy he is working through on the. Big beautiful bill, Let's,
start there senator. Appreciate the time how? OPTIMISTIC are, you
i heard or at Least Saw That Susie willes's white
house chief of staff just encouraged everyone to get this
thing Done before the, july fourth holiday that obviously. Is
(47:29):
very soon are you optimistic that things are moving? In
that direction where would you say the bill?
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Is right, NOW you know.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
I don't care if we get It done, By july
fourth that's it's kind of. An artificial deadline can we
get It done by july eleventh and the world? Keeps?
Going around, yet absolutely does but we will. GET something
done i just want to get something done right as
opposed to.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
Something done, quickly.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
All right what is right about this bill?
Speaker 3 (47:54):
In, your mind well let me just Talk about what
i'm responsible for Which Is. The help committee if our
goal is to help Middle and working america have a
better Life In the United, states of america we can
start with a. Student loan Mess if the biden people
had said four or, five years ago let's screw, up
student loans they couldn't have done a better job than.
(48:15):
What they did so we're going to end the scheme
that transfers the money that the debt from somebody who
willingly took it to go to college to the guy
that never went or paid. BACK his, loan i mean
if the truck drivers paying back his, truck loan debt
why doesn't the student pay back the. Student loan debt
we're going. To increase affordability we're going to. Hold universities
(48:37):
accountable we're going to increase access to things like technical
schools so somebody can be a master weld or go
out and make six figures working like. They Want to
so i'll start WITH that because i think we're going
to do a really good.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Job, with that.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Okay so the bill you are optimistic is. Going to
pass we Talked with while i've been UP, Here In
dc Ran Paul. And ron johnson they seem to think
there needs to be. MORE spending cuts I Read The
wall street journal. Editorial this morning they say that seems.
To be occurring but you are optimistic that there will
be at least fifty votes, on this bill with at
(49:15):
A minimum jd vance able to, break the tie and
things are. Looking, GOOD there.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yes i do and some of the spending cuts are
going to be things which kind of balloon. In the
future so you don't fix a problem with spending right,
off to that but you want to begin to point
The ship of state in a direction which begins to
lower that. Debt over time and if, you get greedy
(49:42):
oh we're going to cut everything, all at once. It
never happens but if, you say no we're going to
make changes and those changes will grow over time according
to the pathway in, which we start then you can
actually decrease the spending and that should. Be the goal and,
by the way if it can't pass the Center, of
the house then it's just. A debate society it's something
that Can. Pass the Senate, in the.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
House We're Talking to Senator.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Bolcacidy, of louisiana okay obviously tons Of discussion About. Israel
And iran the president talked to the media earlier today
as he was putting up the new flag poles about The.
Situation in Iran if the president called, you right now
your advice to him WOULD be.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
What I think the president's handling. It pretty well israel
has been given free reign to go in and attempt
to take out Their. Bomb the iranians they are. Shooting
fewer missiles you can imagine that The bombing that israel
has done and the Sabotage of the iranian ballistic missile
sites is starting to just decrease the number they have. To,
shoot Off ideally the iranians will come to, the bargaining
(50:42):
table but, by the way that Should. Not restrain israel
israel should be doing everything they can to make sure
that hopefully there's regime change, from my perspective but also
that they don't have the ability to further develop their
nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
As you Look, at, the, uh well okay so all.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
That's super serious are you going TO be Watching lsu
play arkansas Tonight In The?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
COLLEGE world.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
SERIES i, am i, mean you know the Crazy thing is.
Arkansas is, favored i'm Thinking how can arkansas be favored
when we beat him two out of the three during
the year and then we just. Beat him again but
it's gonna be, a great game and it's.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Two GOOD teams is lsu going to have a better
baseball team this year or? A football team.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
I think that they are going to win the national,
championship IN baseball and i think they can. Contend in
football football is so. Dependent upon injuries but we've got,
a great quarterback Fifth Year. Senior. Garrett nusmeyer uh some
people say he Might Be a. Heisman trophy, Candidate of course.
Hope springs eternal but we've had two in the last six,
or SEVEN years so i.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
Think we're going to.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Be, pretty good man? Who's your Team?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Who's your Well i'm A university, of tennessee fans so
born and raised in The. State OF tennessee but i,
will SAY this and i do think this is uh
that this is one of the great things, That you
know buck is not. On right now, he's you know
Over In the french riviera selling ads, for the show
so not a tough. Job for him but he had
never been to a. College football game i've taken HIM to.
(52:06):
MULTIPLE sec games i. Love college football it's probably, my
favorite thing just for pure entertainment. In the country for
people who have never BEEN to an, lsu night game
people who have never been, to baton rouge how would you?
Describe the experience what would what would you tell them
to expect if they are able to go, to a game.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
If it is.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
A big Game lsu Played Tennessee and nick saban's first
or second year when HE was At lsu and, tennessee
was favored we won on a. Last second play there
is no, excitement like that and the crowd stay, in
the crowd stay, in the stadium and they just cheer and.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
Cheer and cheer.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
It is, Electrifying is overused. It is electrifying it is.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
An INCREDIBLE experience and I would say i HAD buddies
and i took HIM To an lsu oregon game a
few Years Ago in jerry World in the Dallas In The,
dallas cowboys stadium and one of my buddies turned to me,
AND he said i don't understand how these people can
still walk given how much alcohol they have consumed at.
The pregame tailgate does anybody throw a BETTER party? Than
(53:16):
lsu fans? In your mind?
Speaker 3 (53:18):
BEFORE the game i can tell you our tailgates where
they'll put alligator on the barbecue and have jumbalayah and.
A two fay, the food's, fantastic and yes the fans do,
get Pretty spirited but i'm sure that includes the contributes
to the atmosphere. Within the stadium but they're also very.
Welcoming of others they see you walking, down and yes
(53:40):
if you're wearing as they said In, THE blind side
i got Off of The. Orange for tennessee you may
get a, jey or two but as a rule of
people are happy.
Speaker 5 (53:49):
TO see others i want.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
TO give plaudits i know we're On, all OVER louisiana
but i was Down For, the SUPER bowl and i
know the awful terror attack that Happened With the sugar
bowl about. To have happened but there seems to be
in Your state of louisiana very positive trajectory in. Terms
of safety You got a Republican governor in you've, been
(54:11):
working hard a lot of others. Have as well do
you feel good momentum about the lessening of violence and
the return of safety for lots of people who May,
come To Louisiana, particularly new orleans which is one of
the top tourist destinations in.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
The, entire, world frankly.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Absolutely if you look, at the statistics the rate of crime.
Is going down they've got systems in place to. Make
it happen the state and the locals are making, it
a priority and they understand that people are not going
To Live in new Orleans Or visit new orleans. Unless
it's safe and now they've made it. A lot safer there's.
Room to. Go that's fine there's always a way to
get better, than you are but. They're making progress and,
(54:49):
by The, WAY super bowl i thought that the city
almost had. Never looked better.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
It was fabulous it really.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Was fabulous and. A good time and of course it's
a great city to have an event because you can
walk every place enjoy yourself that, time of year. The
weather's pleasant and, along the way, by the way we're
getting lots of good investments, with good jobs so my. State's,
looking up yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Let me just point. This out too we got a lot.
Of history nerds i'm one of. Them Out There The
World war Two Museum in new orleans is one of,
the best museums if not the best museum almost anywhere.
In the country i'm sure you've BEEN several times i.
HAVE as well i try to Go every Time I'm
in new orleans for people who, haven't been there how?
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Spectacular is it.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
It really is and it's also. For young KIDS and when,
i say young my grandson is eleven and he's, been
fifteen times fazing big enough that he can see something. New, every,
time now granted wants he want on my phone to
take pictures. Of THE airplanes then i realize he's taking
pictures of the girls on the side.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Of, THE plane oh i saw on the bombers they
had the pretty girls on the side. Of, THE plane
yes i know exactly what. HE'S talking about I don't
think i, took A picture. But, i noticed, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
YOU noticed.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Senator i, appreciate the time and we will talk. To,
you again pilcassidy good luck on the big beautiful, Bill.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
That.
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guys back in the forties.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
They, like girls, too you know.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Just pointing out they had some pretty girls that they
drew on the side of some of those bomber planes
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy And Charlamagne Tha God!
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.