June 26, 2025 • 25 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss the recent Democratic primary in New York City, focusing on the implications of Zohran Mamdani's primary victory and the political landscape. They also touch on underreported news regarding Iranian nationals arrested in the U.S., the Supreme Court's rulings on immigration policy, and the societal dynamics surrounding the perceived disappearance of men in contemporary culture. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, guys of Lomally the show What Normalist Takes for
Women News gets weird and it's always weird.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm got to him, and I'm Carol Markowitis. Well, the
weird story is that New York City had a democratic
primary and a I would say, a communist one. I don't.
He's calling himself a democratic socialist. But anyone who wants
government run grocery stores and you know, to be able
(00:32):
to enforce what people can charge for rent, that seems
more communist to me.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What do you think, Mary Catherine oh Man?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Look, this is the primary, which generally just decides the
mayor's race in New York because it's so heavily democratic.
He ran against Andrew Cuomo, who was the other guy
at the head of the pack in your fave what's
his name.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Rad Lander.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, none of these people deserve to win.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
No, No, they're all uniquely terrible. But it does seem
like Zorin Mamandi, who won the primary, is the worst
of the bunch and yet at the top of the pack.
As of ten pm last night, ninety three percent of
the vote in Mamdani led Cuomo forty four to thirty
six In the first round of this new process. It's
(01:24):
ranked choice voting that New York has implemented since I've
been gone. And what's interesting is that the full results
won't be in until July first, because this is a
really complicated system that they chose to have for some reason.
But Cuomo saw the writing on the wall and conceded
in the Democratic primary last night.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
That yeah, it's humiliating for Cuomo whoever wins this. By
the way, officially we'll go on to a general election
where there will be a not very good GOP candidate
and Eric Adams, the current mayor, running as an independent,
so there is yet another hurdle. But Cuomo deserved to
(02:05):
be humiliated. It It was hurting my soul to have
to say he's the lesser evil of these two, right,
But like corrupt bad guy versus socialist bad guy or
communist bad guy, it's a tough one, guys. I'm it's
it's to the everlasting shame of the Democratic Party in
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New York City that has so many Democrats at its
disposal that they can't do better than these two. But
I think if mom Dami Mamdani becomes actual mayor, it's
really bad for the city. And I do not live
in the city, but I love visiting the city, and
I think the people of the city deserve better, just
as I think the people of la deserve better.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Right. There is the additional thing here that Cuomo has
set himself up to run as a third party candidate
as well. His third party party is called Fight and Deliver.
He's going to have to be talked out of that
by the same people who endorsed him. That is Bill Clinton,
that is the New York Times editorial board. They're going
(03:09):
to have to say, you need to step aside, and
it has to be an Adams versus Mom Donnie showdown
with Curtis Leiva, kind of playing the spoiler there. I
would also say that it's really tough to watch what's
happening in New York as a former New Yorker, because
I know that there are so many people who did
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not get a say in this yesterday who are not
registered Democrats. And you know, for all the every vote
counts and everybody should be able to vote, and you know,
we're so pro democracy. The Democrats have a closed primary
in New York, and as do the Republicans, and they
require registration far in advance, and you could only vote
if you're in the Democratic Party. So there are a
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lot of people who didn't get a say last night
who will get their say in November. The concern again
is that Eric Adams and Curtis Leiwa, and possibly even
Andrew Cuomo split the non Mumdani vote, and that will
be the real problem. I also sort of note, and
I think you know, we talked about this on previous episodes.
Andrew Cuomo ran as if something was owed to him.
(04:17):
He ran as if you are all so blessed to
have me, Andrew Cuomo, come down from my Albany perch
and get into your Shenanigans down here in the city.
He skipped several mayoral forums, like as if he was,
you know, a shoe in for this thing. He didn't
work at winning. You know. I dislike Mumdanni in so
(04:42):
many different ways, but he put in the work, and
that's ultimately what campaigns are about.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Now, this is the Hillary Clinton model. Hey, I'm super
unlikable and I have high name, I d and I
want this job. I'm entitled to this job title. They're
lucky to vote for me. Do the thing, little people and.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's not good, doesn't really work. No, I don't know.
I advise candidates not to do that because people see
that and they don't like it. The New York Times City, however,
has despite calling Mamdani uniquely unsuited to running the city,
in a recent editorial, they called him a new political
(05:27):
star who has emerged out of a fractured Democratic party.
I think nationally, Democrats have to be hoping that he
does not become their political star. He may work on
a small level in a far left city like New York,
but he nationally is going to be a drag on
party hopes. So I think for people on the right,
(05:47):
they should hope that he becomes the political star him
and AOC right, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He's certainly because he put in work. And I don't
want to discount that because like it was sort of
a clever campaign. Now it's not clever. Is just telling
people you're going to give them free things that you
can't give them because that's a very easy way to win.
But he communicated well, his branding was cool, like this
this is the game, you know, like he played the game.
(06:13):
His name ID will be huge now, his ability to
raise money will be huge. Those things will make him
huge within the Democratic Party period, no matter what happens.
I think you're right that he's a turnoff to most
of the nation and a lot of New York, by
the way, specifically segregated in its voting patterns by education
(06:35):
and income. Highly educated that white, affluent voters were happy
to take their luxury beliefs to the ballot and vote
from Mondani, whereas working class and middle class voters and
voters of color in those classes were like, I think
I'd like to go with the establishment Dirk guy, right, right, yeah,
(06:58):
really split that way. I think it would be obviously
bad for the city. One thing I want to note
bad for the kids in New York City because some
of his education ideas are terrible, As trace Woodgrains notes,
nobody talked about it much, but he wants to get
rid of gifted education in elementary and middle schools in
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New York, and he also has this in his platform.
Eliminate the use of exclusionary admissions practices that create segregation
by race, class, disability, home language, and academic ability. This
includes the exclusionary use of school screens such as Greats,
test scores, auditions, performance and interviews, behavior, lateness, and attendance.
(07:40):
If you put that platform plank in front of every normy,
that's a ninety ten issue against like people hate that right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, both Build de Blasio and my buddy Brad Lander
were very much against these screens as well, but only
after their own children had graduated from schools with these
screens in place. It's a very convenient little situation they have.
At least mo'm donnie. I doesn't have kids, and I
don't believe this affects him, but it's interesting because Mam
(08:13):
Donnie won the over one hundred thousand earners by thirteen points.
You know, when I think about this, especially about the schools,
anything that he does, his voter base will be able
to opt out of. They'll be able to send their
kids to private school, They'll be able to move, they'll
be able to figure out a way out, which is,
(08:33):
you know, pretty terrible for the under fifty thousand who
voted for Cuomo by nineteen points, they won't be able
to have these options. They are trying. They tried to
vote themselves to something resembling sanity. And again, I hate
describing Andrew Cmo as some kind of great hope it's like,
you know, he is a terrible governor, and he's a
(08:54):
terrible person, and he probably would have been a passibly
okay mayor at best. I always kind of said that
he hates New York and the city, and I just
didn't see him as a good mayor. But it was comparatively,
when you're comparing to a legit communist who wanted to
defund police, who has all these terrible ideas, Cuomo becomes
(09:17):
more appealing. I would also add, you know, there's this
thing on the right today that's like, well, New York
has all these foreign born people, and you know this
is the problem here. I just want people to understand
that the foreign born people, the foreign born white people
specifically voted for Cuomo. My South Brooklyn, my beloved South Brooklyn,
(09:39):
mostly voted for Andrew Cuomo. And I would say that
a lot of them are not registered Democrats. So that
is like, even among Democrats in my part of Brooklyn,
they are still more normal and further to the right.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So and I don't if you're on the right, you
don't want to fall into the same trap that democrats
to I'm assuming immigrant equals liberal. Well, why would you
assume that we have done a lot of work actually,
certainly in the Trump era, to appeal to people who
are immigrant communities, and it has worked for him, so
don't write them off. Yeah, it's there's also the part
(10:18):
where he's like happily marched with the pro Palestinian pro
Hamas crowds. Post October seventh, I think John Puhortz called
him the encampment candidate. Yeah, and it is quite something
you would think it. I never doubted that it was
possible that New York City could have a Muslim mayor,
(10:40):
but I would have thought that the Muslim mayor candidate
would have been distancing himself from globalized the indefada. But
in fact, when asked about it, he was like, nah,
it's just like a It's a totally benign phrase. It's cool, guys,
we should be able to use it like wow.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, wow insane.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And by the way, I want to vote on the
point of whether Democrats are going to turn away or
toward this new celebrity. Dan Pfeiffer of the Obama Years
communications guy, he says, what's happening in New York City
is a blaringly loud message to those in dim establishment.
Hi that's you who still cling to old politics, recite
focus group talking points and are too afraid to say
(11:21):
what needs to be said. We have a lot to
learn from Zoron, Mandani and his campaign, and then Rocana,
who is one of the more sensible members of this
party on various issues, including free speech. Occasionally, said Dan Pfeiffer,
gave me the best political advice anyone ever has. Obama
won because he was prepared to lose. You have to
stand for something. Zoron stood for his values and something new,
(11:42):
and he inspired many. So it sounds like flavor of
the month might last a little while.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, and look, it's he is in pole position to
be the next mayor. There obviously are you know, some
roadblocks in his way, including the current mayor, Eric Adams,
but it he is likely going to be the next
New York City mayor. Our friend justin Robert Young said,
you know, he could see the soft focused New York
(12:08):
Times magazine cover story now still here why Adams can't
quit on his city because they're going to realize they
rather have Adams any day and the week still there.
I love it, right, like we could picture it with
Adams looking like resolute in his like blue suit. I
would say, also, we have to talk about the fact
(12:29):
that all the polls had Andrew Cuomo crushing until this
last week, we're only one pole had Mom Donnie ahead
pulling in this race was an absolute disaster. There at
the top of my losers of the day list the
New York Times obviously for their editorial, and Clinton World
(12:49):
the Clintons don't have power in New York City anymore.
What a wild thought.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That is wild things they are a change in We're going.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
To take a short break and come right back with
Normally we like to do that in case you missed it.
News that hasn't gotten a lot of attention, and because
of the war with Iran, a lot of news has done.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
There's a lot going on, a lot of.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Things that you may have missed. I think at the
top of the list is that ICE arrested eleven Iranian
nationals illegally in the US, including an individual with admitted
ties to Hesbelah and a former Iranian army sniper. This
is reported by Griff Jenkins, national correspondent at Fox. I
(13:38):
don't like this one bit, and I think that it's
such an undercovered story and it makes me concerned because
I just the fact that we don't know how big
these kinds of threats are is why so many people
were surprised that the US was involved in striking Iranian base.
(14:00):
I think that they just didn't know that Iran has
been at war with US for some time, and this
is exactly the kind of detail that proves that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
And it's it's also the Obama bros. Are telling on
themselves when they say, oh, no, you've now provoked Iran.
Iran could retaliate in all these ways, and they'll go
after American civilians. They're horrible and unpredictable. It's like, okay, well,
first of all, you are giving them billions in actual
cash to fund all the horrible things you're saying could happen, which,
(14:33):
by the way, have been happening for the entirety.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Of my life. Right.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
And then one of the things they highlight always is
like they could blow up a bus of Americans. They
could have sleeper cells. Why might they have sleeper cells?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It happened over the last four years that allowed people
to flow over the border in millions, unvetted to put
themselves in a position to be sleeper cells. What right,
it happened. I feel like it was the whole Biden administration.
So don't give me this like scare mongering based on
the intentionally irresponsible policy that Biden put in place, exactly,
(15:09):
And thank goodness Trump is there to look for these
people and to make something happen.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah. Absolutely. Another quote, Trish McLaughlin, DHS Assistant Secretary says
Under Secretary Nome, DHS has been full throttle unidentifying and
arresting known or suspected terrorists and violent extremists that illegally
entered this country, came in through Biden's fraudulent parole programs
or otherwise there were programs that permitted people like this
(15:37):
to enter. And it's just it is a very dangerous time,
I think for the country. I think because we don't
know who came in in the last few years, especially,
and because of the huge influx, we're in a dangerous time.
Iranians being caught is I'm very happy to hear it.
(15:57):
But how many other nationals of other countries who may
wish us ill are in the country and how bad
will that be for us? I'm it's been a concern
for a while. I think that we have to take
it seriously, and I'm glad to see the DHS and
ICE working together to do.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
By the way, que the Democrats to start the national
campaign on behalf of justice for Iranian snipers, which is
that's going to be their new kilmar Albregoscia. I do
want to bring this up because this is a definite
in case you missed it from last year. Yeah, you
might not even remember this story, but in the same
(16:38):
vein two Jordanian nationals attempted to breach Quantico's marine base
in a van and we're picked up. You know. But
during the you know, Biden administration, like we couldn't be
certain what happened to folks like that. But I just
it makes me happy that Trump is in charge now
because his folks are in charge of actually having consequences
(16:59):
for some things, which makes me feel better about the
whole situation. Speaking of consequences, the Supreme Court and in
favor of the of the administration this week pausing a
district court order that had prevented the administration from deporting
immigrants to third party countries. There's this whole dispute about
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when you can send somebody to a third party country.
The concern was that immigrants might be in danger in
some of these third party countries, and DHS several times
issued instructions. This, by the way, speaks to like how
much process there is involved in this. HS twice issued
instructions that were like, hey, here's how you figure out
(17:44):
whether someone can be deported if there's a prospect that
they would be tortured in this country. They did that
in February. In March they issue another one like, hey,
here's the rules if they affirmative affirmatively express fear that
they will face torture. There's many there's steps involved, right,
but the administration's like, hey, we're we've issued guidance on this,
(18:05):
and now they're trying to stop us from doing anything. Basically,
this is the story of most of the immigration litigation.
Such that it is right.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I think the scota's decision was so it was right
in the mix. I believe it was issued on Monday,
when you know that Iran was really hot at that
That was the craziest day, I believe. And what's extremely
wild is a district court judge has already side step
(18:34):
step that order. I saw Margot Cleveland from the Federalists highlighted.
She said she posted Judge Brian E. Murphy literally sidestepping
what Scotis said. I couldn't believe it, and I felt
like I was misunderstanding something. So I went to my
go to legal guru, Ilia Shapiro. He writes that the
(18:54):
judge claims skot disorder doesn't apply to him because the
proper procedures weren't filed. Never seen anything like it doj
has already filed a response with the Supreme Court, and
he says that it's the district court judge cited Soda
Mayor's descent for support of his view. My favorite part, Yeah,
and Ilia says, the legal term for that is bunkers.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, you can't. The descent is not the ruling. Ye,
The ruling is the ruling. In our system. We allow
a descent and you can you can read Sodamayri's descent
and you can fangirl all you want about it, but
it is not the court's order. And I tweeted like,
oh wait, ignoring the Supreme Court about to get good again,
(19:38):
Like that's now we're ignoring the Supreme Court for the
right reason, right, But yes, it currently as the as
these folks appeal. Through those steps, the government should be
able to do these third part third country removals.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah. I just don't hear anything from the left about
how concerned they are about the norm in this case.
And I wonder why.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It's the Bachelor standard. You have to be doing the
violating of the norms for the right reasons, right, We're
not a Bachelor fan ever. In the Bachelor, that's always
the accusation is that whatever bachelor or bachelorette isn't there
for the right reasons. Tell what would be the right
reasons to be on the Bachelor of bachelrette. But anyway, Left,
you say, if you're violating the norms for the right reasons,
(20:23):
which is hating Donald Trump and thwarting him, then that's okay.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
We'll be right back on normally. The New York Times
go back to that old chestnut. They have a column,
the Modern Love Column. The Modern Love column is actually
my guilty pleasure. I don't watch any TV, but when
I want to like feel bad about the world, Modern
(20:48):
Love is what I go to. It frequently has like
just the worst kind of stories about you know, we
tried to open our relationship and then everything fell apart.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And it's like.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Nobody learns anything. You think right, Well, today or this week.
They have a pretty good one by somebody named Rachel
Drucker who writes about how she doesn't see men out anymore,
She doesn't see them out on dates. She feels like
they have disappeared from society. They're just not in the
(21:24):
mix for her. And I feel like that's probably true her.
The column is called Men, where have you gone? Please
come back? Yeah, we're going to miss them when they're gone.
And you and I have been saying that for a
long time. Men were made to feel like they were
the problem in so many different ways, and they have
(21:47):
pushed back. I think the men a lot of men
have married, you know, women who aren't writing for the
New York Times, and I think that they're home.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
With their wives.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yes, But the men who who kind of just have
had enough of being treated badly and being called monsters
and all of that, probably have retreated from society. And
it is sad and unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, it's it's interesting that she misses them. What's the
thing that's missing? Like that implies that they bring something
to the table. They really implies that they're valuable, right,
and that's been the thing that they haven't heard for
a decade fifteen years, certainly from New York Times writers right.
(22:34):
And I think, if I may use the therapy language
of the left, they have not made it feel emotionally
safe for men to engage in society. Men are told
that they are bad and wrong, and all the things
they do and feel are bad and wrong and so
and so. Why would they be engaged except with people,
(22:57):
their wives or whoever they've matched with, who they feel
might be receptive to the fact that they are in, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Their safe space. She makes an interesting point. She says,
I remember when part of heterosexual male culture involved showing
up with a woman to signal something status, success, desirability.
Women were once signifiers of value, even to other men.
It wasn't always healthy, but it meant that men had
to show up and put in some effort. That dynamic
(23:25):
has quietly collapsed. We have moved into an errow where
many men no longer seek women to impress other men
or to connect across difference. They perform elsewhere alone. They
filtered us out. That's the thing. We all said, this
is going to be bad for women. But the idea
that men used to treat women as signifiers of success.
(23:47):
Women like people who write for The New York Times
hated that, Hey, they wanted that to stop and go away.
Obviously women were a prize, and that idea became something
that you weren't allowed to believe anymore. Women weren't allowed
to be prizes, and so men were like, fine, well,
just we won't. We won't treat you like the prizes
that we used to treat you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, And it ignored the fact that there was an
exchange there, that you are a prize and you're treated
like a prize, that there might be something for women
to gain even in that construction of it. Yeah, but
or that that or that that idea goes along with
other healthy impulses. Right, My woman is a prize actually
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can lead to quite good things.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Right. I'll also add that this is obviously very regional.
This is the I don't know this might be happening
in cities. I was out in South Florida last night,
plenty of people on dates. I was out with my
husband and a male friend, so there were definitely men
at my table.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Men do exist.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Maybe they've moved.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Is the dudes like to hang out with dudes who
like dudes like I, like women who like dudes like I.
Just this, the the total dearth of duddom on the
left makes it hard for men who are men to
get involved, I think. And uh, you know who's going
to kill your spiders now here?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
This is equation, right, Yeah, look what you've done to
us all Let them, Let the men be men again.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Come back then, yeah, they'll come to Florida. Please.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm got to him, and I'm Carol Markowitis. Well, the
weird story is that New York City had a democratic
primary and a I would say, a communist one. I don't.
He's calling himself a democratic socialist. But anyone who wants
government run grocery stores and you know, to be able
(00:32):
to enforce what people can charge for rent, that seems
more communist to me.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What do you think, Mary Catherine oh Man?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Look, this is the primary, which generally just decides the
mayor's race in New York because it's so heavily democratic.
He ran against Andrew Cuomo, who was the other guy
at the head of the pack in your fave what's
his name.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Rad Lander.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, none of these people deserve to win.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
No, No, they're all uniquely terrible. But it does seem
like Zorin Mamandi, who won the primary, is the worst
of the bunch and yet at the top of the pack.
As of ten pm last night, ninety three percent of
the vote in Mamdani led Cuomo forty four to thirty
six In the first round of this new process. It's
(01:24):
ranked choice voting that New York has implemented since I've
been gone. And what's interesting is that the full results
won't be in until July first, because this is a
really complicated system that they chose to have for some reason.
But Cuomo saw the writing on the wall and conceded
in the Democratic primary last night.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
That yeah, it's humiliating for Cuomo whoever wins this. By
the way, officially we'll go on to a general election
where there will be a not very good GOP candidate
and Eric Adams, the current mayor, running as an independent,
so there is yet another hurdle. But Cuomo deserved to
(02:05):
be humiliated. It It was hurting my soul to have
to say he's the lesser evil of these two, right,
But like corrupt bad guy versus socialist bad guy or
communist bad guy, it's a tough one, guys. I'm it's
it's to the everlasting shame of the Democratic Party in
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New York City that has so many Democrats at its
disposal that they can't do better than these two. But
I think if mom Dami Mamdani becomes actual mayor, it's
really bad for the city. And I do not live
in the city, but I love visiting the city, and
I think the people of the city deserve better, just
as I think the people of la deserve better.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Right. There is the additional thing here that Cuomo has
set himself up to run as a third party candidate
as well. His third party party is called Fight and Deliver.
He's going to have to be talked out of that
by the same people who endorsed him. That is Bill Clinton,
that is the New York Times editorial board. They're going
(03:09):
to have to say, you need to step aside, and
it has to be an Adams versus Mom Donnie showdown
with Curtis Leiva, kind of playing the spoiler there. I
would also say that it's really tough to watch what's
happening in New York as a former New Yorker, because
I know that there are so many people who did
(03:32):
not get a say in this yesterday who are not
registered Democrats. And you know, for all the every vote
counts and everybody should be able to vote, and you know,
we're so pro democracy. The Democrats have a closed primary
in New York, and as do the Republicans, and they
require registration far in advance, and you could only vote
if you're in the Democratic Party. So there are a
(03:54):
lot of people who didn't get a say last night
who will get their say in November. The concern again
is that Eric Adams and Curtis Leiwa, and possibly even
Andrew Cuomo split the non Mumdani vote, and that will
be the real problem. I also sort of note, and
I think you know, we talked about this on previous episodes.
Andrew Cuomo ran as if something was owed to him.
(04:17):
He ran as if you are all so blessed to
have me, Andrew Cuomo, come down from my Albany perch
and get into your Shenanigans down here in the city.
He skipped several mayoral forums, like as if he was,
you know, a shoe in for this thing. He didn't
work at winning. You know. I dislike Mumdanni in so
(04:42):
many different ways, but he put in the work, and
that's ultimately what campaigns are about.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Now, this is the Hillary Clinton model. Hey, I'm super
unlikable and I have high name, I d and I
want this job. I'm entitled to this job title. They're
lucky to vote for me. Do the thing, little people and.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's not good, doesn't really work. No, I don't know.
I advise candidates not to do that because people see
that and they don't like it. The New York Times City, however,
has despite calling Mamdani uniquely unsuited to running the city,
in a recent editorial, they called him a new political
(05:27):
star who has emerged out of a fractured Democratic party.
I think nationally, Democrats have to be hoping that he
does not become their political star. He may work on
a small level in a far left city like New York,
but he nationally is going to be a drag on
party hopes. So I think for people on the right,
(05:47):
they should hope that he becomes the political star him
and AOC right, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He's certainly because he put in work. And I don't
want to discount that because like it was sort of
a clever campaign. Now it's not clever. Is just telling
people you're going to give them free things that you
can't give them because that's a very easy way to win.
But he communicated well, his branding was cool, like this
this is the game, you know, like he played the game.
(06:13):
His name ID will be huge now, his ability to
raise money will be huge. Those things will make him
huge within the Democratic Party period, no matter what happens.
I think you're right that he's a turnoff to most
of the nation and a lot of New York, by
the way, specifically segregated in its voting patterns by education
(06:35):
and income. Highly educated that white, affluent voters were happy
to take their luxury beliefs to the ballot and vote
from Mondani, whereas working class and middle class voters and
voters of color in those classes were like, I think
I'd like to go with the establishment Dirk guy, right, right, yeah,
(06:58):
really split that way. I think it would be obviously
bad for the city. One thing I want to note
bad for the kids in New York City because some
of his education ideas are terrible, As trace Woodgrains notes,
nobody talked about it much, but he wants to get
rid of gifted education in elementary and middle schools in
(07:20):
New York, and he also has this in his platform.
Eliminate the use of exclusionary admissions practices that create segregation
by race, class, disability, home language, and academic ability. This
includes the exclusionary use of school screens such as Greats,
test scores, auditions, performance and interviews, behavior, lateness, and attendance.
(07:40):
If you put that platform plank in front of every normy,
that's a ninety ten issue against like people hate that right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, both Build de Blasio and my buddy Brad Lander
were very much against these screens as well, but only
after their own children had graduated from schools with these
screens in place. It's a very convenient little situation they have.
At least mo'm donnie. I doesn't have kids, and I
don't believe this affects him, but it's interesting because Mam
(08:13):
Donnie won the over one hundred thousand earners by thirteen points.
You know, when I think about this, especially about the schools,
anything that he does, his voter base will be able
to opt out of. They'll be able to send their
kids to private school, They'll be able to move, they'll
be able to figure out a way out, which is,
(08:33):
you know, pretty terrible for the under fifty thousand who
voted for Cuomo by nineteen points, they won't be able
to have these options. They are trying. They tried to
vote themselves to something resembling sanity. And again, I hate
describing Andrew Cmo as some kind of great hope it's like,
you know, he is a terrible governor, and he's a
(08:54):
terrible person, and he probably would have been a passibly
okay mayor at best. I always kind of said that
he hates New York and the city, and I just
didn't see him as a good mayor. But it was comparatively,
when you're comparing to a legit communist who wanted to
defund police, who has all these terrible ideas, Cuomo becomes
(09:17):
more appealing. I would also add, you know, there's this
thing on the right today that's like, well, New York
has all these foreign born people, and you know this
is the problem here. I just want people to understand
that the foreign born people, the foreign born white people
specifically voted for Cuomo. My South Brooklyn, my beloved South Brooklyn,
(09:39):
mostly voted for Andrew Cuomo. And I would say that
a lot of them are not registered Democrats. So that
is like, even among Democrats in my part of Brooklyn,
they are still more normal and further to the right.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So and I don't if you're on the right, you
don't want to fall into the same trap that democrats
to I'm assuming immigrant equals liberal. Well, why would you
assume that we have done a lot of work actually,
certainly in the Trump era, to appeal to people who
are immigrant communities, and it has worked for him, so
don't write them off. Yeah, it's there's also the part
(10:18):
where he's like happily marched with the pro Palestinian pro
Hamas crowds. Post October seventh, I think John Puhortz called
him the encampment candidate. Yeah, and it is quite something
you would think it. I never doubted that it was
possible that New York City could have a Muslim mayor,
(10:40):
but I would have thought that the Muslim mayor candidate
would have been distancing himself from globalized the indefada. But
in fact, when asked about it, he was like, nah,
it's just like a It's a totally benign phrase. It's cool, guys,
we should be able to use it like wow.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, wow insane.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And by the way, I want to vote on the
point of whether Democrats are going to turn away or
toward this new celebrity. Dan Pfeiffer of the Obama Years
communications guy, he says, what's happening in New York City
is a blaringly loud message to those in dim establishment.
Hi that's you who still cling to old politics, recite
focus group talking points and are too afraid to say
(11:21):
what needs to be said. We have a lot to
learn from Zoron, Mandani and his campaign, and then Rocana,
who is one of the more sensible members of this
party on various issues, including free speech. Occasionally, said Dan Pfeiffer,
gave me the best political advice anyone ever has. Obama
won because he was prepared to lose. You have to
stand for something. Zoron stood for his values and something new,
(11:42):
and he inspired many. So it sounds like flavor of
the month might last a little while.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, and look, it's he is in pole position to
be the next mayor. There obviously are you know, some
roadblocks in his way, including the current mayor, Eric Adams,
but it he is likely going to be the next
New York City mayor. Our friend justin Robert Young said,
you know, he could see the soft focused New York
(12:08):
Times magazine cover story now still here why Adams can't
quit on his city because they're going to realize they
rather have Adams any day and the week still there.
I love it, right, like we could picture it with
Adams looking like resolute in his like blue suit. I
would say, also, we have to talk about the fact
(12:29):
that all the polls had Andrew Cuomo crushing until this
last week, we're only one pole had Mom Donnie ahead
pulling in this race was an absolute disaster. There at
the top of my losers of the day list the
New York Times obviously for their editorial, and Clinton World
(12:49):
the Clintons don't have power in New York City anymore.
What a wild thought.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That is wild things they are a change in We're going.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
To take a short break and come right back with
Normally we like to do that in case you missed it.
News that hasn't gotten a lot of attention, and because
of the war with Iran, a lot of news has done.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
There's a lot going on, a lot of.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Things that you may have missed. I think at the
top of the list is that ICE arrested eleven Iranian
nationals illegally in the US, including an individual with admitted
ties to Hesbelah and a former Iranian army sniper. This
is reported by Griff Jenkins, national correspondent at Fox. I
(13:38):
don't like this one bit, and I think that it's
such an undercovered story and it makes me concerned because
I just the fact that we don't know how big
these kinds of threats are is why so many people
were surprised that the US was involved in striking Iranian base.
(14:00):
I think that they just didn't know that Iran has
been at war with US for some time, and this
is exactly the kind of detail that proves that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
And it's it's also the Obama bros. Are telling on
themselves when they say, oh, no, you've now provoked Iran.
Iran could retaliate in all these ways, and they'll go
after American civilians. They're horrible and unpredictable. It's like, okay, well,
first of all, you are giving them billions in actual
cash to fund all the horrible things you're saying could happen, which,
(14:33):
by the way, have been happening for the entirety.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Of my life. Right.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
And then one of the things they highlight always is
like they could blow up a bus of Americans. They
could have sleeper cells. Why might they have sleeper cells?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It happened over the last four years that allowed people
to flow over the border in millions, unvetted to put
themselves in a position to be sleeper cells. What right,
it happened. I feel like it was the whole Biden administration.
So don't give me this like scare mongering based on
the intentionally irresponsible policy that Biden put in place, exactly,
(15:09):
And thank goodness Trump is there to look for these
people and to make something happen.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah. Absolutely. Another quote, Trish McLaughlin, DHS Assistant Secretary says
Under Secretary Nome, DHS has been full throttle unidentifying and
arresting known or suspected terrorists and violent extremists that illegally
entered this country, came in through Biden's fraudulent parole programs
or otherwise there were programs that permitted people like this
(15:37):
to enter. And it's just it is a very dangerous time,
I think for the country. I think because we don't
know who came in in the last few years, especially,
and because of the huge influx, we're in a dangerous time.
Iranians being caught is I'm very happy to hear it.
(15:57):
But how many other nationals of other countries who may
wish us ill are in the country and how bad
will that be for us? I'm it's been a concern
for a while. I think that we have to take
it seriously, and I'm glad to see the DHS and
ICE working together to do.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
By the way, que the Democrats to start the national
campaign on behalf of justice for Iranian snipers, which is
that's going to be their new kilmar Albregoscia. I do
want to bring this up because this is a definite
in case you missed it from last year. Yeah, you
might not even remember this story, but in the same
(16:38):
vein two Jordanian nationals attempted to breach Quantico's marine base
in a van and we're picked up. You know. But
during the you know, Biden administration, like we couldn't be
certain what happened to folks like that. But I just
it makes me happy that Trump is in charge now
because his folks are in charge of actually having consequences
(16:59):
for some things, which makes me feel better about the
whole situation. Speaking of consequences, the Supreme Court and in
favor of the of the administration this week pausing a
district court order that had prevented the administration from deporting
immigrants to third party countries. There's this whole dispute about
(17:23):
when you can send somebody to a third party country.
The concern was that immigrants might be in danger in
some of these third party countries, and DHS several times
issued instructions. This, by the way, speaks to like how
much process there is involved in this. HS twice issued
instructions that were like, hey, here's how you figure out
(17:44):
whether someone can be deported if there's a prospect that
they would be tortured in this country. They did that
in February. In March they issue another one like, hey,
here's the rules if they affirmative affirmatively express fear that
they will face torture. There's many there's steps involved, right,
but the administration's like, hey, we're we've issued guidance on this,
(18:05):
and now they're trying to stop us from doing anything. Basically,
this is the story of most of the immigration litigation.
Such that it is right.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I think the scota's decision was so it was right
in the mix. I believe it was issued on Monday,
when you know that Iran was really hot at that
That was the craziest day, I believe. And what's extremely
wild is a district court judge has already side step
(18:34):
step that order. I saw Margot Cleveland from the Federalists highlighted.
She said she posted Judge Brian E. Murphy literally sidestepping
what Scotis said. I couldn't believe it, and I felt
like I was misunderstanding something. So I went to my
go to legal guru, Ilia Shapiro. He writes that the
(18:54):
judge claims skot disorder doesn't apply to him because the
proper procedures weren't filed. Never seen anything like it doj
has already filed a response with the Supreme Court, and
he says that it's the district court judge cited Soda
Mayor's descent for support of his view. My favorite part, Yeah,
and Ilia says, the legal term for that is bunkers.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, you can't. The descent is not the ruling. Ye,
The ruling is the ruling. In our system. We allow
a descent and you can you can read Sodamayri's descent
and you can fangirl all you want about it, but
it is not the court's order. And I tweeted like,
oh wait, ignoring the Supreme Court about to get good again,
(19:38):
Like that's now we're ignoring the Supreme Court for the
right reason, right, But yes, it currently as the as
these folks appeal. Through those steps, the government should be
able to do these third part third country removals.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah. I just don't hear anything from the left about
how concerned they are about the norm in this case.
And I wonder why.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It's the Bachelor standard. You have to be doing the
violating of the norms for the right reasons, right, We're
not a Bachelor fan ever. In the Bachelor, that's always
the accusation is that whatever bachelor or bachelorette isn't there
for the right reasons. Tell what would be the right
reasons to be on the Bachelor of bachelrette. But anyway, Left,
you say, if you're violating the norms for the right reasons,
(20:23):
which is hating Donald Trump and thwarting him, then that's okay.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
We'll be right back on normally. The New York Times
go back to that old chestnut. They have a column,
the Modern Love Column. The Modern Love column is actually
my guilty pleasure. I don't watch any TV, but when
I want to like feel bad about the world, Modern
(20:48):
Love is what I go to. It frequently has like
just the worst kind of stories about you know, we
tried to open our relationship and then everything fell apart.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And it's like.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Nobody learns anything. You think right, Well, today or this week.
They have a pretty good one by somebody named Rachel
Drucker who writes about how she doesn't see men out anymore,
She doesn't see them out on dates. She feels like
they have disappeared from society. They're just not in the
(21:24):
mix for her. And I feel like that's probably true her.
The column is called Men, where have you gone? Please
come back? Yeah, we're going to miss them when they're gone.
And you and I have been saying that for a
long time. Men were made to feel like they were
the problem in so many different ways, and they have
(21:47):
pushed back. I think the men a lot of men
have married, you know, women who aren't writing for the
New York Times, and I think that they're home.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
With their wives.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yes, But the men who who kind of just have
had enough of being treated badly and being called monsters
and all of that, probably have retreated from society. And
it is sad and unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, it's it's interesting that she misses them. What's the
thing that's missing? Like that implies that they bring something
to the table. They really implies that they're valuable, right,
and that's been the thing that they haven't heard for
a decade fifteen years, certainly from New York Times writers right.
(22:34):
And I think, if I may use the therapy language
of the left, they have not made it feel emotionally
safe for men to engage in society. Men are told
that they are bad and wrong, and all the things
they do and feel are bad and wrong and so
and so. Why would they be engaged except with people,
(22:57):
their wives or whoever they've matched with, who they feel
might be receptive to the fact that they are in, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Their safe space. She makes an interesting point. She says,
I remember when part of heterosexual male culture involved showing
up with a woman to signal something status, success, desirability.
Women were once signifiers of value, even to other men.
It wasn't always healthy, but it meant that men had
to show up and put in some effort. That dynamic
(23:25):
has quietly collapsed. We have moved into an errow where
many men no longer seek women to impress other men
or to connect across difference. They perform elsewhere alone. They
filtered us out. That's the thing. We all said, this
is going to be bad for women. But the idea
that men used to treat women as signifiers of success.
(23:47):
Women like people who write for The New York Times
hated that, Hey, they wanted that to stop and go away.
Obviously women were a prize, and that idea became something
that you weren't allowed to believe anymore. Women weren't allowed
to be prizes, and so men were like, fine, well,
just we won't. We won't treat you like the prizes
that we used to treat you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, And it ignored the fact that there was an
exchange there, that you are a prize and you're treated
like a prize, that there might be something for women
to gain even in that construction of it. Yeah, but
or that that or that that idea goes along with
other healthy impulses. Right, My woman is a prize actually
(24:29):
can lead to quite good things.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Right. I'll also add that this is obviously very regional.
This is the I don't know this might be happening
in cities. I was out in South Florida last night,
plenty of people on dates. I was out with my
husband and a male friend, so there were definitely men
at my table.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Men do exist.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Maybe they've moved.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Is the dudes like to hang out with dudes who
like dudes like I, like women who like dudes like I.
Just this, the the total dearth of duddom on the
left makes it hard for men who are men to
get involved, I think. And uh, you know who's going
to kill your spiders now here?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
This is equation, right, Yeah, look what you've done to
us all Let them, Let the men be men again.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Come back then, yeah, they'll come to Florida. Please.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
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