July 7, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and emotionally charged segment centered on the catastrophic floods that devastated Texas Hill Country. The hour opens with an in-depth interview with Texas Congressman Chip Roy, who represents the affected region and provides firsthand updates on the scale of the disaster. With over 90 lives lost and many still missing, Roy describes the heartbreaking toll on families, particularly those connected to Camp Mystic—a nearly 100-year-old girls’ camp that became the epicenter of the tragedy. He shares stories of heroism, including camp staff and community members who risked or lost their lives to save children, and emphasizes the need for long-term support and volunteer engagement as the region begins a prolonged recovery.
The conversation also explores the limitations of current early warning systems and the need for improved flood preparedness infrastructure. Rep. Roy calls for better technology and coordination while acknowledging the unprecedented nature of the event. He directs listeners to resources and his social media for ways to donate or volunteer, urging continued support in the weeks and months ahead.
Beyond the flood coverage, Hour 3 touches on several major national stories. The hosts express deep skepticism over the Department of Justice’s announcement that the recently released Epstein files contain no prosecutable evidence. They question the official narrative surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s wealth, connections, and death, arguing that the lack of transparency and accountability fuels public distrust. The discussion includes commentary on the DOJ’s handling of the case, the media’s role, and the broader implications for elite accountability.
The hour also highlights the University of Pennsylvania’s formal apology for allowing transgender swimmer Lia Thomas to compete in women’s sports, a move the hosts frame as a victory for fairness and women’s rights.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are rolling through the Monday edition of the program. We
hope all of you had fabulous fourth of July and
you are back at work or on your way back home.
We've been talking about a huge variety of different topics
(00:21):
out there, big beautiful Bill passes, did he not guilty?
Epstein files zoron Mam Donnie's attempt to pretend that he
was black. And the one that we started off talking
about the most and the one that we have discussed
the most on the program is where we return for
the start of hour number three, and that is the
(00:42):
floods that hit all over the Hill Country of Texas.
Over ninety people have lost their lives so far, there
are still many missing. We are joined now by Congressman
Chip Roy, who represents that area of the country. You
been working NonStop. I've seen your social handles. I know
(01:03):
you have been going everywhere. We appreciate the time. Congressman,
what can you tell us about what you've seen the latest?
What is the situation there on the ground right now?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, well, I mean you said it I mean those
numbers that you're talking about in terms of the total deceased,
those numbers keep changing, and they're changing more rapidly today
because the recovery missions are really starting to catch up
and they're finding those who unfortunately perished. You know, I
think there's still a decent number of unidentified children, but
(01:35):
obviously can't miss it. Put out a report or put
out a statement, I should say, indicating that you know
that the twenty seven where have either passed or or
they've not been able to find yet. And this has
been what we've sort of known for the last forty
eight hours. But we're holding out hope through the through
the rescue process that we might be able to find
some survivors. But it's truly devastating in that part of
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the country. People who are familiar with it know that
it's one of the most beautiful parts of the state.
There's a reason there are eighteen kids camps in that
area and have been for years. You know. Camp Mystic
was going to turn one hundred years old next year.
I hope they will continue to stay in operation. There
are camps that have been there for generations. People go there.
(02:18):
It's a holiday destination, which is why there were so
many people, not just at kids camps, but at campgrounds.
That's why there's the numbers are a lot higher than
just the girls camps. Right there was people whose RVs
were swept away. I went to a part of kind
of what's called West Kerrville into Ingram before you get
out to Hunt, where all the kids camps are, and
I stood in a spot where there had been a
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whole bunch of RVs and they were just gone, like literally,
it's just been swept away. And look, the response has
been great. I don't want to filibuster here, but the
response by the state, the locals, the FEDS has been extraordinary.
People on the ground, the volunteer outreach, the people reaching
out to give money, give food, give supplies, show up.
There was a line. They had to kind of shut
(02:59):
down the volunteer place yesterday because there was just too
many people. That's a good problem to have, but you know,
this is going to be a long recovery. So if
you want to help, you know, send money, that's great,
but be ready to show up in a week or
two or three.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You know, when people start to forget about it, that's
when they're going to need to help the most.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Congst and Roy appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I know there's a lot going on there and the
whole country's hearts are broken over the loss of loss
of life already to the degree that you can there's
already a lot of talk about early warning. Should there
have been more early warning? Are there different systems that
need to be in place? I know it's early stage,
if you will, in the after action assessment to understand
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what might have been able to be different, what could
have been different? What is your sense of that was
there a big miss here from the perspective of getting
the word out with the proper systems, or was it
more this is just a once in a century event
and there was going to be loss of life on
the ferocity and the speed of the floods.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Look, I think I've been careful not to get too
much into this speculation over the last seventy two hours.
And you guys are asking this question in good faith,
and I appreciate it, and I will give you an
answer to my rough thoughts. But I will just conclude
one thought, which is I'm still getting text messages today
from love from family members, from friends around the state
(04:25):
who are just now discovering the loss of their child,
and we've got people you know that are grieving. I
met with the families night before last who had not
yet seen their kids. I was there with the sheriff
and the city manager and engaging with them about you know,
DNA collections so they can identify their kids. This is
a statement for the rest of the world. It's not
directed at you guys, but everybody that's just zeroing in
(04:48):
on this and politicizing this right out of the bat.
I mean, for the love of everything holy, everything that
is good about our people and this country and this
state is being display right now with everybody going to
help people, find people, comfort people, pray for people. The
pictures of those little girls singing hems coming back from
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the camp, you know, when they had just lost girls
in their camp and they're singing hems, Christian hems while
they're looking at the damage that I saw yesterday driving
down that stretch of the river. So that's just a
message to the world, like to slow your political role.
Goodness gracious now on the question, because it is a
relevant question. One We're going to have to figure this
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out over time. Okay, nobody knows for sure right now. Two,
My sense of it is more the latter of your question.
This was a once in a century type of kind
of flood. It has flooded before nineteen eighty seven, previous times.
It is prone to flash flooding. Therefore, number three, yes,
they probably need a better warning system, sirens, other types
(05:53):
of things. But we will go through that process going forward,
the local official, state officials, and we'll be looking at
it obvious federally, although it's not really I think our
direct purview. But I think those things are all true.
This nonsense about the Weather Service, that's crap. They had
people there, they were putting out warnings. People knew they
were going to be flash floods. The only question is
(06:14):
is trying to determine the severity of it, Which brings
me to my last point five, which is there is bureaucracy.
There are systems that are old. We could have better technology,
we could have better predictions, We can have less bureaucracy
and communicating it. But just keep in mind this final point.
It was four am on July fourth, in the dark
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in the hill country, way out away from civilization, when
a massive, unprecedented flood drove into basically a canyon area
where water got funneled down the river and it rose
thirty feet in less than an hour. That's what happened.
So we can try to protect against it, and we
can do better, and we should, but let's try to
(06:56):
keep perspective in all of this. I mean that respectfully.
I think your question was absolutely in good good faith
and I appreciate it. Chip.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Everybody who is in this area knows Camp Mystic. It
feels like we're coming up on one hundred years. I
think next year is supposed to be one hundredth anniversary
of this. What is camp Mystic?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
What does it mean for people in your district who
may not be familiar with it but are learning now
because unfortunately so many of these young kids appear to
have been victims based on being located there.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, I mean, just to give you a couple of
data points. Number One, night before last, when I was
with all those families, there's a woman there named Mary
Liz Eastland. She lost her father in law, Dig Eastland,
who was the older man who bought that camp in
the nineteen seventies and nineteen seventy three, who died on
the night of the event, trying to save little girls.
(07:53):
So she had just lost her father in law. She's
with these families who had just lost their kids, so
you can imagine the tension. But they showed up to
shelter each other in love and the amount of support
and outpouring that's been coming out because the families who
have gone there for years. It's a part of the
culture here. My kids go to a classical Christian school.
A large chunk of the kids that go to their
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school go to Camp Mystic or have been to Camp Mystic.
They had friends who were there. In this particular week,
we had a little girl from our school who was saved,
you know, praised the Lord, she was saved. She was
kind of floating in the river for a couple of hours.
And we've had other stories like that. But we've also
had stories of people we know, friends of ours. One
of my staffers fraternity brothers, his daughter was lost. One
(08:37):
of the people I used to work and who I
hired in the Senator Cruise's office, her daughter's best friend.
She passed away. I had a local jeweler who talked
to James Avery they lost one of their loved ones.
The kids, city chiefs, family lost the loved one. It's
hitting everybody, but it's a great and historic camp. And
one last thing is one of my staffers, you know,
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worked there and talked about what a great man Eatland
was teaching them fly fishing and all the ways of life.
This morning my office, we got a fellow staffer from
another Texas office who sent us a box of cookies.
And it's said at Camp Mystic Tweety, who was mister
Eastland's wife, she's still alive. She made cookies and they
were given to campers as a reward for a hard work,
(09:20):
and they sent us cookies because my staff has been
working around the clock for the last three days.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Congress and Roy, is there anything that can be done
by this audience, by people listening other We have a
lot of people who are right in your area, by
the way, who are probably a ten minute drive from
in the county or ten minute drive from the county line,
but anything nationwide as well, if that can be done
to just to assist to help are their organizations that
(09:48):
are doing a lot of frontline work that could use support.
We just want to put that out there.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, I mean, there's obviously there's a lot of great
work going on. There's a community foundation in the Hill
Country that is collecting a lot money and then a
lot of food places and so forth. Volunteers can sign
up online at it's called tcr dot community os dot org.
You can find that if you look or call eight
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three zero four six five four seven nine seven for
volunteers to sign up. There are places to be able
to give money. That stuff's all going to be out
and if you want to know, just go to my
Twitter at Chiproy t X c h I p R
o I t X or Rep chip Roy and I
will be putting all of that out with graphics and
places where people can give. And my biggest ask is
(10:36):
we've got everybody wanting to come in right now, and
I get it, and God bless you for it, but
it's hard, right We can't take everybody in everything right now.
This is going to be a multi week thing. So
if you can, you know, volunteer or contribute or engage,
you know next week, you know in a month, they're
gonna need it, and so everything. We'll take everything whenever
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we can, but just just know they're gonna need it
for a while.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Last thing that I want I appreciate you coming on
with us. I know how many hours you're working in,
how many places you are Right now we're talking to
Congressman Chip Roy. Unfortunately, it looks like one hundred or
more people are going to lose their lives. How many
thousands of lives do you think first responders and good
people just on the ground there saved Because a lot
(11:22):
of those stories are going to be coming out too,
and the amount of life that was saved, I think
in the people who put their lives on the line
to do that, there's going to be some incredible stories.
What are you already hearing about that?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, that's right, I mean it looks it does look
like tragically we're going to lose about twenty five of
these precious kids and mostly, if not entirely, little girls.
But there were about nine hundred or so campers in
that whole region, across those eighteen camps, and we got out,
you know, eight hundred and fifty, eight hundred and seventy
of those kids and most of the counselors and directors.
(11:57):
But there's heroic stories. A camp director who her life
saving I think five of those little kids herself, and
she was a member of the local church. I met
the pastor of that church is randomly when I was
down at the lake, and like, this is the community
that's part of our family. Right when I go down
to that park. I was going to be there for
Fourth of July, that was the plan. I go there
every year to go listen to Robert o'keeen is one
(12:19):
of my favorite Texas country artists. Guy named William Beckman
and Court got down all the time to listen to
these guys, and it's just a place everybody goes, you know.
There were great stories, Like I said, Dick Eastland, he
died trying to save three little girls at you know,
four or five six in the morning when when those
floods were running through there. And I cannot explain enough
(12:40):
for the average viewer how fast that water rose, like
the extent to which going up twenty six to thirty
feet in about an hour, hour and a half. You
can't put into words. There was there was a guy
who lost two daughters, not as part of the camp.
He was just in a house down on vacation and
they were in the house and they said the water
was raising rising a foot per minute, and it just boom.
(13:02):
It just came in, so that's what people were dealing with.
But there's been a lot of heroic stories, a lot
of people who save lives. Coast Guard guy that basically
helped evacuate about two hundred of the campers, and so
many different stories like that, and we're just deeply appreciate
of everybody who's been engaging and helping. Well.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Congress Enroy, Our hearts and prayers thoughts go to the
people of Texas Hill Country and the great state of
Texas overall, and we'll let you get back to attending
to all of them.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And thank you for making the time today.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I appreciate you, guys. God bless you.
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Speaker 4 (15:19):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
You know, we just talked to Congressman Roy to get
a real up to date sense of everything going on
in the Hill Country of Texas after those terrible floods. UH,
and I said, we're watching, we're monitoring this conversation in
the background that's trying to politicize this uh and trying
to avoid spending too much time on it, but it
is happening.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
There are people out there.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
There's the usual lunatic chirping online about climate change denial
and stuff like that. But White House Press Secretary Caroline
Levitt just in the last hour also wanted to bring
out there that these the attempts to attack I think
that there's a once in a century flood. We just
had a congressman from the district and we've had people
calling in to live there once in a century flood, Clay,
(16:02):
and there are people that are saying it's Trump's fault.
I mean that they're already going out there, Oh, it's Trump,
the cuts, or there's something they're so desperate to somehow
take this tragedy and score political points. And the White
House Press Secretary, this is thirty three not having it
play it.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
These offices were fully staffed. The San Angelo office was
fully staffed with twelve forecast meteorologists. There were no vacancies.
The San Antonio Offices office was operating with eleven forecasters,
and as Brian said, the Union themselves said that there
was adequate staffing. So I think those words speak for themselves,
and the numbers speak for themselves. This was a once
(16:39):
in a century flash flood, a tragic natural disaster, and
the administration is doing all that we can on the
ground to help these families during this time of need.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And just you can't let the can't let the media
lies go on. Unresponded to Clay.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I think that's important, and we come back, we'll
talk a little bit more about this, because I do
think it matters.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
For the facts to be out there.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But anybody who's lived through tornadoes, floods, blaming hurricanes, blaming
the president or congressman or the people, God forbid, who
are the victims in the immediate aftermath is wrong. Expecting
for the government to do a good job on taking
care of people with FEMA in the aftermath those things,
(17:22):
that's very valid.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Okay, So I think there.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Is a line where you say, hey, the fires in
Los Angeles are burning, man, that wildfire.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Man that stinks. Hey, how about we put them out right?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Most of the focus should be on the cleanup and
the response to the disaster, not the idea that somehow
this was going to happen. Look, if Joe Biden were president,
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Today, Welcome back in Clay Travis Bought Sexton Show.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Major news coming down over the weekend. You just heard
us the top all of the hour talking with Chip Brown,
who is congressman representing the Guadaloupe River camp. Mystics so
many other places out there that Chi Chip Yeah, Chip
Brown is the uh yeah, my apologies to to my buddy.
(19:24):
Chip Brown is a also Texan who does University of
Texas coverage. Uh and uh there's not a lot of Chips,
I guess in this uh, in this universe. But but
breaking down the latest surrounding camp Mystic, Unfortunate Lost Lives,
all of that. We have been following it closely, Big
(19:44):
Beautiful Bill Passes. As we told you at Wood, drama
surrounding uh that and UH we are going to uh
to continue to break down all of those stories. A
couple of other things that are out there, uh, that
I think think are significant. We talked about puff Daddy
being found not guilty. The Epstein files have come down
(20:07):
one positive. Before we get into Caroline Levitt being asked
about the Epstein Files by Peter Doocey. The University of
Pennsylvania has officially apologized for allowing Leah Thomas, a man,
to compete in women's sports and has apologized to all
of the women that were on that team. Paula Scanlon
(20:32):
is a friend of mine who was on that team
and initially sort of blew the whistle on the fact
that that was occurring. There are real tangible results that
are restoring sanity to America that are happening every single day,
and sometimes there's so many things going on that we
even missed some of them, but I did think that
(20:54):
was super important. It is Lynda McMahon, Secretary of Education.
I believe that was announced on Wednesday. If I'm not
mistaken headed into the holiday weekend, you may have missed it.
The University of Pennsylvania officially apologizing for allowing a man
to be involved in women's sports, and that battle is
being won in a big way. Now Epstein files. A
(21:16):
lot of people out there have been waiting, Okay, when
is there going to be some resolution, some consequence, some
penalty paid by people who were affiliated with Epstein? And
on Sunday night news comes out, Hey, there is no
prosecutable data that is in the files. There is nothing.
(21:40):
We have now reviewed everything. There is nothing more to
be said about the Epstein files. We've played a couple
of cuts. Attorney General Pam Bondi talked about this in February,
and in March, Peter Doucy asked about that. This is
what just happened in one of the White House press briefings.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Listen, I looked at the circumstances rounding the death of
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
According to the report, this systematic review revealed no incriminating
client list.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
So what happened to the Epstein client list that the
Attorney General said she had on her desk?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Well, I think if you go back and look at
what the Attorney General said in that interview which was
on your network on Fox News.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Go ahead, and.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Roberts said, DOOJ, maybe releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Will that really happen? And she said, it's sitting on
my desk right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Now to review.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Yes, she was saying the entirety of all of the paperwork,
all of the paper in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.
That's what the Attorney General was referring to. And I'll
let her speak for that.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So I think Pam Bondi is in a tough spot
over the comments that she made on Fox News that
Peter Deucy just read you and I I think probably
see this pretty much the same for those of you
who were not listening earlier. And I would argue this
is probably if you were of the opinion, I'll give
you credit because you said there's not going to be
(23:04):
anything that's a massive interest in here JFK files, MLK files.
If there were smoking gun evidence of wrongdoing, that stuff
has been gone for a while, right, It's not like
you're going to suddenly open a file and it's going
to be like, hey, this guy did it, or if
you know, it's not Scooby Doo where suddenly you unmask
(23:27):
someone and they're guilty.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
If that had existed.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It wasn't written, and it certainly isn't in a file
decades later.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Yeah, I knew that all along. Some people are look, oh,
of course the CIA guy would say that. It's like,
trust me, if it was that interesting, some other CIA
guy would have blown the whistle and told you about
it a long time ago JFK MLK files. And then
on the Epstein thing, I'll just say, the administration here
and really the right more broadly in right wing media,
(24:00):
created this expectation that there were going to be big
revelations here. I've never thought there were going to be
big revelations. I've always thought that whatever was hidden has
been hidden very well. Now what I have an objection to,
or rather what I have I keep saying a hard
time believing. I'm open to being persuaded that I'm wrong,
(24:21):
but just that there was nothing more to this than
no one else involved. I just don't believe that. And
people can tell me, well, that's what the evidence says,
and that I'll just say, well, there's a lot of
stuff that still hasn't been answered in that evidence. And
the administration though, and did DOJ's own attorney general that
they had a a an event at the White House
(24:43):
where they said, Hey, we're letting all the stuff out.
You're going to find out everything. Well, now we're finding
out nothing. Actually there's nothing new and all the stuff.
She said truckloads of evidence. Truck I think that was
actually the wordy. I got a truckload of evidence that
we're going to go through nothing. So this guy was
able to do all of this for as long as
he did. Law enforcement not interested in actually holding him
(25:06):
accountable at all until he'd been doing it for twenty
something years and he was almost a billionaire. We don't
know how. And he had all these tapes going on,
and was able to become friends with some of the
richest and most powerful people in the world, able to
be friends with a former president who was on his
plane like a dozen times, Bill Clinton. And there's just
no there. There is what they want us to believe,
and I just don't believe it. And maybe I'm being stubborn.
(25:29):
I don't believe it, Clay. That's meaning I'm not saying
that the people that are presenting this are lying to us.
I'm saying, I think there's more that they either don't
know about, having been able to find was destroyed in
the process. I just don't buy that this was the
whole thing that's asking me to buy a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, And I mean, I come back and we talked
about this earlier. The initial cushy prosecution that he got
in Florida, that's the one that is hard for me
to look past because there had to be something else
going on there when you look at the severity of
what he was alleged to have done, and he got
(26:10):
basically house arrests. And I think his defense, if he
had gone to trial, was going to be similar to
the Bill Cosby defense, which was this has already been
prosecuted and investigated, and now you're trying to hit me
with a double jeopardy charge.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
In other words, that he had.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Agreed to plee out and the consequences for his actions were, hey,
you have to do home confinement. And so I think
for a lot of people, all of this just doesn't
add up. And I think, certainly there has been so
much time spent on this is part of a larger
conspiracy that it's hard to unring the proverbial bell and
(26:52):
just come back and say, hey, this was a guy
with certain sexual peccadillos, and he engaged in all sorts
of behavior, but it was mostly just him. Almost all
the video and the evidence was just him and the victims,
and he was recording himself and storing it in safe
(27:14):
like it doesn't really add up, right, I mean, just.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Quote too, that.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Quote from and it was Acosta was the guy who
stepped down because of his role as US attorney in
this sweetheart plea deal. He stepped down from the Trump administration.
The team looked that up before. I want to make
sure that I got that right. But Clay, Yeah, Alexander
Acosta was a US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida,
(27:42):
criticized for his handling of the Epstein case in two
thousand and seven two thousand and eight. He stepped down
from his role as US Secretary of Labor in twenty
nineteen when people looked.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
At the would why would Epstein get this deal?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
And also what about that whole he belongs to intelligence
quote that we all know that we all heard about,
so that that's just another another coincidence, that there was
some belief that there were other parties that were leveraging
in some way what Epstein was doing.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
All of this was not.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
He was just a serial pedophile worth a billion dollars
that nobody knew why.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And that's it. That's the end of the story. Yeah,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It does.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
The only the only guy who had who did anything
that we know of that was is the Prince. Prince
Andrew was the only guy who we know was you know,
alleged he denies it, but was allegedly involved with one
of the Epstein traffic victims.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
The only one. It was just him over all those years.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You don't buy islands and become nearly a billionaire without
having had tremendous financial success, to the nothing of the
fifty million dollar plus place that he had in New
York City too.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
But I lived in the US Virgin Islands. I'm still
an attorney there.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
The freaking island that he owned in the Virgin Islands,
I mean you could stand and look at it. I
mean it's one of the primo pieces of land in
the United States universe. And yet he didn't own any company.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
He did it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He wasn't even a hedge fund or private equity guy.
No one is ever really able to explain how this
guy got hundreds of millions of dollars and he didn't
inherit it. He came from nothing and ended up with
hundreds of millions of dollars, And yet what can you
point to and explain how that happened. That's where I
(29:39):
come back to and just say, you don't end up
nearly a billionaire without building something that is traceable, owning
something that is traceable. He owned land, he owned jets,
How like, where did his money come from? It doesn't
also point out this is just the money that they
already that they found to know him, he might have
(29:59):
been stashing Yeah, that's true. He had an island to
evade US jurisdiction, obviously to the degree that was possible.
But I'm sure he was stashing money in in numbered
accounts overseas, in those little tiny, you know, island jurisdictions
that exist basically just so people can launder money. I'm
sure that was going on too. So he's probably worth
even more than a six hundred million that we've been
(30:20):
told about a roughly six hundred million dollars. I just
it's remarkable.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
And I think part of the problem Clay is the
Attorney General was all in on we need transparency on Epstein. Man,
there's big stuff coming out, and now it's on a
Sunday night. Yeah, there's nothing to see there. That's even
Let's assume for a second that that's true. That we're
assuming that that's true, meaning what they've told this is true.
I'm not saying I agree with it. That's a really
(30:48):
big whiplash to have for everybody who's been told by
I mean, it's not like, oh there were these crazy
right wing like online.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Chat room people. We're not chatters doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But you don't e mean like Twitter or stuff, and
that nobody in power thought that there was going to
be anything there. We were told this was a big
thing that was coming, and I didn't believe that the
revelation would be big. But I didn't think that they
would come out and say, yeah, Epstein acted alone and
there's nothing else to see here, which is what they've
come out and said. And he killed himself and there's
(31:21):
nothing else to see here. The killed himself thing. I
can believe the rest of it. I find just you're
asking for so much of the public to trust in
a narrative without providing, and now they're just saying, we
can't show you any videos.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
We can't show anything because it.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Involved in minors pornography and underage pornography.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Okay, I understand that. But so we see nothing and
we're told the whole I mean of new evidence of
any kind of any kind manifest nothing, and we're told
that the whole thing goes away.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
That's it, end of story. That's a lot, that's asking
a lot.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, and again I just come back to it's hard
to become nearly a billionaire without building something. So blackmail
like trading on I mean again, he did it. Let's
accept the story.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
The story is that he was he was moving acid
or he was like an asset manager for people. Yeah,
you make like one or two percent of assets managed.
And also if he was moving that much money where
he would be able to amass hundreds of millions of
dollars from moving money for other people, people would know
the moves he'd make on Wall Street. You couldn't do
this in secret, not possible.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, So that's where I come back to, the math
just doesn't add up on how wealthy he became without
there being something else going on. So I having said
all that, I don't think that there is some massive
amount of information that Pam Bondi or Cash Patel or
Dan Bongino are sitting on and they're like, I'm not
gonna tell you the truth about Epstein. I just think
(32:55):
there's not anything left and I don't think that's a coincidence.
So that's that's kind of my take. I think here's
a good question for us. We can probably talk about
it some tomorrow because we're almost into the show. When's
the last time that you, meaning all of us, were
told and promised something was coming that was huge and
(33:17):
transformative and impactful and then it was delivered and you said,
holy cow, this confirms everything that I thought before. Can
you remember even one of these like the government? A
lot of the conspiracy theories when it comes to things
like Epstein never actually pan out. I'm trying to think
(33:42):
maybe you guys can think of one for me and
hit me on social media something where eventually it did
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Speaker 4 (35:45):
We want to have some fun with that.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
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the ratings over at CNN and at MSNBC some other
lighter fare AOC finally having to admit, yeah, okay, I'm
not AOC from the Bronx, but uh, we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Have some some time with that one.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
And also, uh, yeah, you look like you're about to
jump into something and then you held back on me.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
There what have you got? No, no, no, I just
I think the I think.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
There's more on this Epstein thing that we can talk about,
because I do feel like part of the problem is
big promises and then people expect for there to be
some earth shattering delivery.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
And it's never been a thought for you.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
If you're holding stuff that is deeply incriminating, that's just
stuff of you, why would you keep it in a
safe in your home at all?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, so the FBI.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Can eventually find it and lock you up forever. Makes
no sense, right, makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I concur
Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are rolling through the Monday edition of the program. We
hope all of you had fabulous fourth of July and
you are back at work or on your way back home.
We've been talking about a huge variety of different topics
(00:21):
out there, big beautiful Bill passes, did he not guilty?
Epstein files zoron Mam Donnie's attempt to pretend that he
was black. And the one that we started off talking
about the most and the one that we have discussed
the most on the program is where we return for
the start of hour number three, and that is the
(00:42):
floods that hit all over the Hill Country of Texas.
Over ninety people have lost their lives so far, there
are still many missing. We are joined now by Congressman
Chip Roy, who represents that area of the country. You
been working NonStop. I've seen your social handles. I know
(01:03):
you have been going everywhere. We appreciate the time. Congressman,
what can you tell us about what you've seen the latest?
What is the situation there on the ground right now?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, well, I mean you said it I mean those
numbers that you're talking about in terms of the total deceased,
those numbers keep changing, and they're changing more rapidly today
because the recovery missions are really starting to catch up
and they're finding those who unfortunately perished. You know, I
think there's still a decent number of unidentified children, but
(01:35):
obviously can't miss it. Put out a report or put
out a statement, I should say, indicating that you know
that the twenty seven where have either passed or or
they've not been able to find yet. And this has
been what we've sort of known for the last forty
eight hours. But we're holding out hope through the through
the rescue process that we might be able to find
some survivors. But it's truly devastating in that part of
(01:58):
the country. People who are familiar with it know that
it's one of the most beautiful parts of the state.
There's a reason there are eighteen kids camps in that
area and have been for years. You know. Camp Mystic
was going to turn one hundred years old next year.
I hope they will continue to stay in operation. There
are camps that have been there for generations. People go there.
(02:18):
It's a holiday destination, which is why there were so
many people, not just at kids camps, but at campgrounds.
That's why there's the numbers are a lot higher than
just the girls camps. Right there was people whose RVs
were swept away. I went to a part of kind
of what's called West Kerrville into Ingram before you get
out to Hunt, where all the kids camps are, and
I stood in a spot where there had been a
(02:39):
whole bunch of RVs and they were just gone, like literally,
it's just been swept away. And look, the response has
been great. I don't want to filibuster here, but the
response by the state, the locals, the FEDS has been extraordinary.
People on the ground, the volunteer outreach, the people reaching
out to give money, give food, give supplies, show up.
There was a line. They had to kind of shut
(02:59):
down the volunteer place yesterday because there was just too
many people. That's a good problem to have, but you know,
this is going to be a long recovery. So if
you want to help, you know, send money, that's great,
but be ready to show up in a week or
two or three.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You know, when people start to forget about it, that's
when they're going to need to help the most.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Congst and Roy appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I know there's a lot going on there and the
whole country's hearts are broken over the loss of loss
of life already to the degree that you can there's
already a lot of talk about early warning. Should there
have been more early warning? Are there different systems that
need to be in place? I know it's early stage,
if you will, in the after action assessment to understand
(03:42):
what might have been able to be different, what could
have been different? What is your sense of that was
there a big miss here from the perspective of getting
the word out with the proper systems, or was it
more this is just a once in a century event
and there was going to be loss of life on
the ferocity and the speed of the floods.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Look, I think I've been careful not to get too
much into this speculation over the last seventy two hours.
And you guys are asking this question in good faith,
and I appreciate it, and I will give you an
answer to my rough thoughts. But I will just conclude
one thought, which is I'm still getting text messages today
from love from family members, from friends around the state
(04:25):
who are just now discovering the loss of their child,
and we've got people you know that are grieving. I
met with the families night before last who had not
yet seen their kids. I was there with the sheriff
and the city manager and engaging with them about you know,
DNA collections so they can identify their kids. This is
a statement for the rest of the world. It's not
directed at you guys, but everybody that's just zeroing in
(04:48):
on this and politicizing this right out of the bat.
I mean, for the love of everything holy, everything that
is good about our people and this country and this
state is being display right now with everybody going to
help people, find people, comfort people, pray for people. The
pictures of those little girls singing hems coming back from
(05:09):
the camp, you know, when they had just lost girls
in their camp and they're singing hems, Christian hems while
they're looking at the damage that I saw yesterday driving
down that stretch of the river. So that's just a
message to the world, like to slow your political role.
Goodness gracious now on the question, because it is a
relevant question. One We're going to have to figure this
(05:30):
out over time. Okay, nobody knows for sure right now. Two,
My sense of it is more the latter of your question.
This was a once in a century type of kind
of flood. It has flooded before nineteen eighty seven, previous times.
It is prone to flash flooding. Therefore, number three, yes,
they probably need a better warning system, sirens, other types
(05:53):
of things. But we will go through that process going forward,
the local official, state officials, and we'll be looking at
it obvious federally, although it's not really I think our
direct purview. But I think those things are all true.
This nonsense about the Weather Service, that's crap. They had
people there, they were putting out warnings. People knew they
were going to be flash floods. The only question is
(06:14):
is trying to determine the severity of it, Which brings
me to my last point five, which is there is bureaucracy.
There are systems that are old. We could have better technology,
we could have better predictions, We can have less bureaucracy
and communicating it. But just keep in mind this final point.
It was four am on July fourth, in the dark
(06:36):
in the hill country, way out away from civilization, when
a massive, unprecedented flood drove into basically a canyon area
where water got funneled down the river and it rose
thirty feet in less than an hour. That's what happened.
So we can try to protect against it, and we
can do better, and we should, but let's try to
(06:56):
keep perspective in all of this. I mean that respectfully.
I think your question was absolutely in good good faith
and I appreciate it. Chip.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Everybody who is in this area knows Camp Mystic. It
feels like we're coming up on one hundred years. I
think next year is supposed to be one hundredth anniversary
of this. What is camp Mystic?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
What does it mean for people in your district who
may not be familiar with it but are learning now
because unfortunately so many of these young kids appear to
have been victims based on being located there.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, I mean, just to give you a couple of
data points. Number One, night before last, when I was
with all those families, there's a woman there named Mary
Liz Eastland. She lost her father in law, Dig Eastland,
who was the older man who bought that camp in
the nineteen seventies and nineteen seventy three, who died on
the night of the event, trying to save little girls.
(07:53):
So she had just lost her father in law. She's
with these families who had just lost their kids, so
you can imagine the tension. But they showed up to
shelter each other in love and the amount of support
and outpouring that's been coming out because the families who
have gone there for years. It's a part of the
culture here. My kids go to a classical Christian school.
A large chunk of the kids that go to their
(08:14):
school go to Camp Mystic or have been to Camp Mystic.
They had friends who were there. In this particular week,
we had a little girl from our school who was saved,
you know, praised the Lord, she was saved. She was
kind of floating in the river for a couple of hours.
And we've had other stories like that. But we've also
had stories of people we know, friends of ours. One
of my staffers fraternity brothers, his daughter was lost. One
(08:37):
of the people I used to work and who I
hired in the Senator Cruise's office, her daughter's best friend.
She passed away. I had a local jeweler who talked
to James Avery they lost one of their loved ones.
The kids, city chiefs, family lost the loved one. It's
hitting everybody, but it's a great and historic camp. And
one last thing is one of my staffers, you know,
(08:57):
worked there and talked about what a great man Eatland
was teaching them fly fishing and all the ways of life.
This morning my office, we got a fellow staffer from
another Texas office who sent us a box of cookies.
And it's said at Camp Mystic Tweety, who was mister
Eastland's wife, she's still alive. She made cookies and they
were given to campers as a reward for a hard work,
(09:20):
and they sent us cookies because my staff has been
working around the clock for the last three days.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Congress and Roy, is there anything that can be done
by this audience, by people listening other We have a
lot of people who are right in your area, by
the way, who are probably a ten minute drive from
in the county or ten minute drive from the county line,
but anything nationwide as well, if that can be done
to just to assist to help are their organizations that
(09:48):
are doing a lot of frontline work that could use support.
We just want to put that out there.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, I mean, there's obviously there's a lot of great
work going on. There's a community foundation in the Hill
Country that is collecting a lot money and then a
lot of food places and so forth. Volunteers can sign
up online at it's called tcr dot community os dot org.
You can find that if you look or call eight
(10:13):
three zero four six five four seven nine seven for
volunteers to sign up. There are places to be able
to give money. That stuff's all going to be out
and if you want to know, just go to my
Twitter at Chiproy t X c h I p R
o I t X or Rep chip Roy and I
will be putting all of that out with graphics and
places where people can give. And my biggest ask is
(10:36):
we've got everybody wanting to come in right now, and
I get it, and God bless you for it, but
it's hard, right We can't take everybody in everything right now.
This is going to be a multi week thing. So
if you can, you know, volunteer or contribute or engage,
you know next week, you know in a month, they're
gonna need it, and so everything. We'll take everything whenever
(10:56):
we can, but just just know they're gonna need it
for a while.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Last thing that I want I appreciate you coming on
with us. I know how many hours you're working in,
how many places you are Right now we're talking to
Congressman Chip Roy. Unfortunately, it looks like one hundred or
more people are going to lose their lives. How many
thousands of lives do you think first responders and good
people just on the ground there saved Because a lot
(11:22):
of those stories are going to be coming out too,
and the amount of life that was saved, I think
in the people who put their lives on the line
to do that, there's going to be some incredible stories.
What are you already hearing about that?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, that's right, I mean it looks it does look
like tragically we're going to lose about twenty five of
these precious kids and mostly, if not entirely, little girls.
But there were about nine hundred or so campers in
that whole region, across those eighteen camps, and we got out,
you know, eight hundred and fifty, eight hundred and seventy
of those kids and most of the counselors and directors.
(11:57):
But there's heroic stories. A camp director who her life
saving I think five of those little kids herself, and
she was a member of the local church. I met
the pastor of that church is randomly when I was
down at the lake, and like, this is the community
that's part of our family. Right when I go down
to that park. I was going to be there for
Fourth of July, that was the plan. I go there
every year to go listen to Robert o'keeen is one
(12:19):
of my favorite Texas country artists. Guy named William Beckman
and Court got down all the time to listen to
these guys, and it's just a place everybody goes, you know.
There were great stories, Like I said, Dick Eastland, he
died trying to save three little girls at you know,
four or five six in the morning when when those
floods were running through there. And I cannot explain enough
(12:40):
for the average viewer how fast that water rose, like
the extent to which going up twenty six to thirty
feet in about an hour, hour and a half. You
can't put into words. There was there was a guy
who lost two daughters, not as part of the camp.
He was just in a house down on vacation and
they were in the house and they said the water
was raising rising a foot per minute, and it just boom.
(13:02):
It just came in, so that's what people were dealing with.
But there's been a lot of heroic stories, a lot
of people who save lives. Coast Guard guy that basically
helped evacuate about two hundred of the campers, and so
many different stories like that, and we're just deeply appreciate
of everybody who's been engaging and helping. Well.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Congress Enroy, Our hearts and prayers thoughts go to the
people of Texas Hill Country and the great state of
Texas overall, and we'll let you get back to attending
to all of them.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And thank you for making the time today.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I appreciate you, guys. God bless you.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
You know, we just talked to Congressman Roy to get
a real up to date sense of everything going on
in the Hill Country of Texas after those terrible floods. UH,
and I said, we're watching, we're monitoring this conversation in
the background that's trying to politicize this uh and trying
to avoid spending too much time on it, but it
is happening.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
There are people out there.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
There's the usual lunatic chirping online about climate change denial
and stuff like that. But White House Press Secretary Caroline
Levitt just in the last hour also wanted to bring
out there that these the attempts to attack I think
that there's a once in a century flood. We just
had a congressman from the district and we've had people
calling in to live there once in a century flood, Clay,
(16:02):
and there are people that are saying it's Trump's fault.
I mean that they're already going out there, Oh, it's Trump,
the cuts, or there's something they're so desperate to somehow
take this tragedy and score political points. And the White
House Press Secretary, this is thirty three not having it
play it.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
These offices were fully staffed. The San Angelo office was
fully staffed with twelve forecast meteorologists. There were no vacancies.
The San Antonio Offices office was operating with eleven forecasters,
and as Brian said, the Union themselves said that there
was adequate staffing. So I think those words speak for themselves,
and the numbers speak for themselves. This was a once
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in a century flash flood, a tragic natural disaster, and
the administration is doing all that we can on the
ground to help these families during this time of need.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And just you can't let the can't let the media
lies go on. Unresponded to Clay.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I think that's important, and we come back, we'll
talk a little bit more about this, because I do
think it matters.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
For the facts to be out there.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But anybody who's lived through tornadoes, floods, blaming hurricanes, blaming
the president or congressman or the people, God forbid, who
are the victims in the immediate aftermath is wrong. Expecting
for the government to do a good job on taking
care of people with FEMA in the aftermath those things,
(17:22):
that's very valid.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Okay, So I think there.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Is a line where you say, hey, the fires in
Los Angeles are burning, man, that wildfire.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Man that stinks. Hey, how about we put them out right?
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Most of the focus should be on the cleanup and
the response to the disaster, not the idea that somehow
this was going to happen. Look, if Joe Biden were president,
I think the same number of people sadly would have
died Kamala Harris, same number of people would have died
as died with Trump in office. Trying to make this
political is profoundly unfair.
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Today, Welcome back in Clay Travis Bought Sexton Show.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Major news coming down over the weekend. You just heard
us the top all of the hour talking with Chip Brown,
who is congressman representing the Guadaloupe River camp. Mystics so
many other places out there that Chi Chip Yeah, Chip
Brown is the uh yeah, my apologies to to my buddy.
(19:24):
Chip Brown is a also Texan who does University of
Texas coverage. Uh and uh there's not a lot of Chips,
I guess in this uh, in this universe. But but
breaking down the latest surrounding camp Mystic, Unfortunate Lost Lives,
all of that. We have been following it closely, Big
(19:44):
Beautiful Bill Passes. As we told you at Wood, drama
surrounding uh that and UH we are going to uh
to continue to break down all of those stories. A
couple of other things that are out there, uh, that
I think think are significant. We talked about puff Daddy
being found not guilty. The Epstein files have come down
(20:07):
one positive. Before we get into Caroline Levitt being asked
about the Epstein Files by Peter Doocey. The University of
Pennsylvania has officially apologized for allowing Leah Thomas, a man,
to compete in women's sports and has apologized to all
of the women that were on that team. Paula Scanlon
(20:32):
is a friend of mine who was on that team
and initially sort of blew the whistle on the fact
that that was occurring. There are real tangible results that
are restoring sanity to America that are happening every single day,
and sometimes there's so many things going on that we
even missed some of them, but I did think that
(20:54):
was super important. It is Lynda McMahon, Secretary of Education.
I believe that was announced on Wednesday. If I'm not
mistaken headed into the holiday weekend, you may have missed it.
The University of Pennsylvania officially apologizing for allowing a man
to be involved in women's sports, and that battle is
being won in a big way. Now Epstein files. A
(21:16):
lot of people out there have been waiting, Okay, when
is there going to be some resolution, some consequence, some
penalty paid by people who were affiliated with Epstein? And
on Sunday night news comes out, Hey, there is no
prosecutable data that is in the files. There is nothing.
(21:40):
We have now reviewed everything. There is nothing more to
be said about the Epstein files. We've played a couple
of cuts. Attorney General Pam Bondi talked about this in February,
and in March, Peter Doucy asked about that. This is
what just happened in one of the White House press briefings.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Listen, I looked at the circumstances rounding the death of
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
According to the report, this systematic review revealed no incriminating
client list.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
So what happened to the Epstein client list that the
Attorney General said she had on her desk?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Well, I think if you go back and look at
what the Attorney General said in that interview which was
on your network on Fox News.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Go ahead, and.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Roberts said, DOOJ, maybe releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Will that really happen? And she said, it's sitting on
my desk right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Now to review.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Yes, she was saying the entirety of all of the paperwork,
all of the paper in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.
That's what the Attorney General was referring to. And I'll
let her speak for that.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So I think Pam Bondi is in a tough spot
over the comments that she made on Fox News that
Peter Deucy just read you and I I think probably
see this pretty much the same for those of you
who were not listening earlier. And I would argue this
is probably if you were of the opinion, I'll give
you credit because you said there's not going to be
(23:04):
anything that's a massive interest in here JFK files, MLK files.
If there were smoking gun evidence of wrongdoing, that stuff
has been gone for a while, right, It's not like
you're going to suddenly open a file and it's going
to be like, hey, this guy did it, or if
you know, it's not Scooby Doo where suddenly you unmask
(23:27):
someone and they're guilty.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
If that had existed.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It wasn't written, and it certainly isn't in a file
decades later.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Yeah, I knew that all along. Some people are look, oh,
of course the CIA guy would say that. It's like,
trust me, if it was that interesting, some other CIA
guy would have blown the whistle and told you about
it a long time ago JFK MLK files. And then
on the Epstein thing, I'll just say, the administration here
and really the right more broadly in right wing media,
(24:00):
created this expectation that there were going to be big
revelations here. I've never thought there were going to be
big revelations. I've always thought that whatever was hidden has
been hidden very well. Now what I have an objection to,
or rather what I have I keep saying a hard
time believing. I'm open to being persuaded that I'm wrong,
(24:21):
but just that there was nothing more to this than
no one else involved. I just don't believe that. And
people can tell me, well, that's what the evidence says,
and that I'll just say, well, there's a lot of
stuff that still hasn't been answered in that evidence. And
the administration though, and did DOJ's own attorney general that
they had a a an event at the White House
(24:43):
where they said, Hey, we're letting all the stuff out.
You're going to find out everything. Well, now we're finding
out nothing. Actually there's nothing new and all the stuff.
She said truckloads of evidence. Truck I think that was
actually the wordy. I got a truckload of evidence that
we're going to go through nothing. So this guy was
able to do all of this for as long as
he did. Law enforcement not interested in actually holding him
(25:06):
accountable at all until he'd been doing it for twenty
something years and he was almost a billionaire. We don't
know how. And he had all these tapes going on,
and was able to become friends with some of the
richest and most powerful people in the world, able to
be friends with a former president who was on his
plane like a dozen times, Bill Clinton. And there's just
no there. There is what they want us to believe,
and I just don't believe it. And maybe I'm being stubborn.
(25:29):
I don't believe it, Clay. That's meaning I'm not saying
that the people that are presenting this are lying to us.
I'm saying, I think there's more that they either don't
know about, having been able to find was destroyed in
the process. I just don't buy that this was the
whole thing that's asking me to buy a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, And I mean, I come back and we talked
about this earlier. The initial cushy prosecution that he got
in Florida, that's the one that is hard for me
to look past because there had to be something else
going on there when you look at the severity of
what he was alleged to have done, and he got
(26:10):
basically house arrests. And I think his defense, if he
had gone to trial, was going to be similar to
the Bill Cosby defense, which was this has already been
prosecuted and investigated, and now you're trying to hit me
with a double jeopardy charge.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
In other words, that he had.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Agreed to plee out and the consequences for his actions were, hey,
you have to do home confinement. And so I think
for a lot of people, all of this just doesn't
add up. And I think, certainly there has been so
much time spent on this is part of a larger
conspiracy that it's hard to unring the proverbial bell and
(26:52):
just come back and say, hey, this was a guy
with certain sexual peccadillos, and he engaged in all sorts
of behavior, but it was mostly just him. Almost all
the video and the evidence was just him and the victims,
and he was recording himself and storing it in safe
(27:14):
like it doesn't really add up, right, I mean, just.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Quote too, that.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Quote from and it was Acosta was the guy who
stepped down because of his role as US attorney in
this sweetheart plea deal. He stepped down from the Trump administration.
The team looked that up before. I want to make
sure that I got that right. But Clay, Yeah, Alexander
Acosta was a US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida,
(27:42):
criticized for his handling of the Epstein case in two
thousand and seven two thousand and eight. He stepped down
from his role as US Secretary of Labor in twenty
nineteen when people looked.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
At the would why would Epstein get this deal?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
And also what about that whole he belongs to intelligence
quote that we all know that we all heard about,
so that that's just another another coincidence, that there was
some belief that there were other parties that were leveraging
in some way what Epstein was doing.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
All of this was not.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
He was just a serial pedophile worth a billion dollars
that nobody knew why.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And that's it. That's the end of the story. Yeah,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It does.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
The only the only guy who had who did anything
that we know of that was is the Prince. Prince
Andrew was the only guy who we know was you know,
alleged he denies it, but was allegedly involved with one
of the Epstein traffic victims.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
The only one. It was just him over all those years.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You don't buy islands and become nearly a billionaire without
having had tremendous financial success, to the nothing of the
fifty million dollar plus place that he had in New
York City too.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
But I lived in the US Virgin Islands. I'm still
an attorney there.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
The freaking island that he owned in the Virgin Islands,
I mean you could stand and look at it. I
mean it's one of the primo pieces of land in
the United States universe. And yet he didn't own any company.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
He did it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He wasn't even a hedge fund or private equity guy.
No one is ever really able to explain how this
guy got hundreds of millions of dollars and he didn't
inherit it. He came from nothing and ended up with
hundreds of millions of dollars, And yet what can you
point to and explain how that happened. That's where I
(29:39):
come back to and just say, you don't end up
nearly a billionaire without building something that is traceable, owning
something that is traceable. He owned land, he owned jets,
How like, where did his money come from? It doesn't
also point out this is just the money that they
already that they found to know him, he might have
(29:59):
been stashing Yeah, that's true. He had an island to
evade US jurisdiction, obviously to the degree that was possible.
But I'm sure he was stashing money in in numbered
accounts overseas, in those little tiny, you know, island jurisdictions
that exist basically just so people can launder money. I'm
sure that was going on too. So he's probably worth
even more than a six hundred million that we've been
(30:20):
told about a roughly six hundred million dollars. I just
it's remarkable.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
And I think part of the problem Clay is the
Attorney General was all in on we need transparency on Epstein. Man,
there's big stuff coming out, and now it's on a
Sunday night. Yeah, there's nothing to see there. That's even
Let's assume for a second that that's true. That we're
assuming that that's true, meaning what they've told this is true.
I'm not saying I agree with it. That's a really
(30:48):
big whiplash to have for everybody who's been told by
I mean, it's not like, oh there were these crazy
right wing like online.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Chat room people. We're not chatters doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But you don't e mean like Twitter or stuff, and
that nobody in power thought that there was going to
be anything there. We were told this was a big
thing that was coming, and I didn't believe that the
revelation would be big. But I didn't think that they
would come out and say, yeah, Epstein acted alone and
there's nothing else to see here, which is what they've
come out and said. And he killed himself and there's
(31:21):
nothing else to see here. The killed himself thing. I
can believe the rest of it. I find just you're
asking for so much of the public to trust in
a narrative without providing, and now they're just saying, we
can't show you any videos.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
We can't show anything because it.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Involved in minors pornography and underage pornography.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Okay, I understand that. But so we see nothing and
we're told the whole I mean of new evidence of
any kind of any kind manifest nothing, and we're told
that the whole thing goes away.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
That's it, end of story. That's a lot, that's asking
a lot.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, and again I just come back to it's hard
to become nearly a billionaire without building something. So blackmail
like trading on I mean again, he did it. Let's
accept the story.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
The story is that he was he was moving acid
or he was like an asset manager for people. Yeah,
you make like one or two percent of assets managed.
And also if he was moving that much money where
he would be able to amass hundreds of millions of
dollars from moving money for other people, people would know
the moves he'd make on Wall Street. You couldn't do
this in secret, not possible.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, So that's where I come back to, the math
just doesn't add up on how wealthy he became without
there being something else going on. So I having said
all that, I don't think that there is some massive
amount of information that Pam Bondi or Cash Patel or
Dan Bongino are sitting on and they're like, I'm not
gonna tell you the truth about Epstein. I just think
(32:55):
there's not anything left and I don't think that's a coincidence.
So that's that's kind of my take. I think here's
a good question for us. We can probably talk about
it some tomorrow because we're almost into the show. When's
the last time that you, meaning all of us, were
told and promised something was coming that was huge and
(33:17):
transformative and impactful and then it was delivered and you said,
holy cow, this confirms everything that I thought before. Can
you remember even one of these like the government? A
lot of the conspiracy theories when it comes to things
like Epstein never actually pan out. I'm trying to think
(33:42):
maybe you guys can think of one for me and
hit me on social media something where eventually it did
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Speaker 4 (36:03):
Have some some time with that one.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
And also, uh, yeah, you look like you're about to
jump into something and then you held back on me.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
There what have you got? No, no, no, I just
I think the I think.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
There's more on this Epstein thing that we can talk about,
because I do feel like part of the problem is
big promises and then people expect for there to be
some earth shattering delivery.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
And it's never been a thought for you.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
If you're holding stuff that is deeply incriminating, that's just
stuff of you, why would you keep it in a
safe in your home at all?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, so the FBI.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Can eventually find it and lock you up forever. Makes
no sense, right, makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I concur
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