In this episode, Senator Markwayne Mullin discusses his experiences and insights on the Big, Beautiful Bill. He addresses the challenges surrounding Medicaid and work requirements, the upcoming midterm elections, and the radicalization of the Democratic Party. The conversation also touches on the future of New York City under socialist policies. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have Senator Mark
Wayne Mullen back with me today. I want to talk
to him about all things while government, but also One
Big Beautiful Bill because it passed. Congratulations, Senator, thank you
for being out there every day talking about it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Absolutely well, we're excited about it. It was a it
was a huge push. I told everybody I can't wait
until it's done because I'm actually going to get rest.
But I lied that has a same I don't think literally.
I was recounting just while to go with my office
that I've got three hours of sleep since Sunday morning,
(00:37):
and so it just just part of it. But the
One Big Beautiful Bill. Listen, super sorry, this is what
happens when you eat whet tans right freaking.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
On the That's fine because that was.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
My h that was my lunch. But anyways, you the
One Big Beautiful Bill has been such a push in
September because in September we knew we were going to win,
right and President Trump was already talking about it. When
we're on the plane, we're talking about the priorities that
needed to be in the One Big Beautiful Bill. Even
though we wasn't calling it OBBB. Back then. We were
just talking about the Reconciliation package, what needed to be
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in it. He was talking about taxes, he was talking
about the permacy, he was talking about border he was
talking about making sure we fully fund the border wall.
He was talking about energy. I mean, through the whole campaign,
the whole time I was on Trump Force one, we
were discussing it. And then when we get we win
the election, because we knew we were going to win it.
We win the election in November. It's been it's been
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just the hard push from Jason Smith in the as
Chairman of Ways and Means, who is a very good
friend of mine in factor he leases a room off
of me at my house here in DC. Uh. He just,
I mean, it's all. It was all consuming to him.
With me being the liaison between the Senate and the House,
I was working on the House side when it was
going through to make sure that Senate a priorities in it,
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and then we had our priorities in it, and uh,
and then working with a White House on it. The
President was fully engaged. And the thing is is when
the president is fully engaged, he doesn't sleep. And I
sleeps anyways, but he doesn't. He doesn't sleep, and so
I'm getting phone calls from him at twelve thirty in
the morning or I guess oh to thirty in the morning,
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and I'm getting calls again from him at five forty
in the morning. I'm getting text messaging to the port
where I wouldn't go to sleep until after midnight because
I was afraid I would miss a call, which I
did do that one time, and I fell asleep and
then I answered the call and I don't remember the
phone call. A funny story here. Literally, I wake up
and I get up early. I usually wake up between
(02:35):
four and four thirty. And I woke up and I
was like, I had a dream I talked to President Trump?
Am I really talking to him that much that I
had a dream? So I looked at my phone and
said dj T and I'm like, oh my goodness, it's
black and I'm going no, and it's duration three minutes.
So I wait until almost six o'clock. I call him
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and he answered the phone. The first thing he says,
you don't remember talking to me. I was like, no,
what I say? He said, You'll never know and just
hung up on me.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
No, that is hilarious because no one knows.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, that's the worst thing that can actually happen. And
so I was just I was just so so now.
The whole time doing The One Big Beautiful Bill, I
was always afraid to go to sleep because that first hour,
I'm horrible. When I go to sleep, I only sleep
about four or five hours anyways, But when I go
to sleep that first hour, I wake up cranky or
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I don't wake up at all. You can wake me
up after the first hour and I'll come straight awake.
I'm good. I can I can set straight up and
go walk into a fight. I mean, I'm good. But
that first hour is just it's just awful. And so anyways,
the One Big Beautiful Bill, I'm glad it's over with.
But now we're moving on to other things. And we
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got all their priorities. It wasn't perfect, right, I mean,
there's some stuff in there that we didn't like, that
didn't negotiate a lot. We had all negotiate a lot
right at the last minute with Lisa mccowski to get
to get over our threshold of the votes. But we
were able to do it and deliver on I'll say
one of the most impactful bills and probably our generation.
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That is a legacy bill for the Republicans plus for
the president, and I think one of the biggest wins
in there. We can talk about taxes being permanent, right.
We talked the plus up on the military and putting
us into the front to the actual future of the
fight with AI technology and new technology that puts us
in the conventional warfighter that actually helps us from deterrence perspective,
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not so we don't have to use it, but to
keep people from actually saying we don't want to mess
with those guys. That's peace through strength. But one thing
that's been overlooked is that we fully funded the southern
border to finish the wall. We put in forty six
billion dollars. That's more than enough to build every inch
of that wall, either by a physical barrier or from
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technology that exist in some of the more remote areas
that have UAE technology. As soon as something happens, it's
able or uas, we're able to immediately put eyes on it,
and we're able to monitor what's happening in those areas.
And what's different between that and the president's first term
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is that in this one it's it's a wall, it's
not an executive order. So even God forbid we get
a Democrat in there after President Trump, they can't stop it.
The wall has to continue.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And that is key because we know that Joe Biden
just let everything go to crap and then started selling
everything off, trying to keep it friendly for the kids.
But I mean, honestly, I think people don't understand that.
That is why Congress has to work with the president,
because the executive orders can only go so far. Once
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the president is out of office, that can all change.
So I love that you pointed that out. I want
to talk about about the tax relief because Democrats their
party line right now across the board, but especially in
Michigan where we have some vulnerable seats for the midterm,
is that this was tax relief for billionaires. And have
you just put out a tweet a few days ago
(06:15):
that says tax relief for working families.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, let's debunk what they're saying. First of all, they're
saying that it's tax relaf for the billionaires because we're
not allowing the taxes to expire. But if taxes were
to expire, because we really didn't do anything different except
to make the current tax policy not expire, because underneath
current tax law, all the taxes that we put in,
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the tax cuts we put in in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen,
would expire on December thirty first, So the American people
across the board would see a roughly a four trillion
dollar increase in taxes because we made it permanent stops
at now. Nothing change is on the upper labor layer,
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so the one percent, their taxes stay the same. The
bottom percent we actually put in We doubled the child
tax credit in there. We put no tax on tips,
We put no tax on overtime, which is huge because
that's the working class, right they're working by the hour.
We're not taxing you on anything that you're that you're
that you're working over forty hours. And then it then
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there's no tax on Social Security for eighty eight percent.
The reason why they say, well, that's not accurate. You know,
it's eighty eight percent because the twelve percent are the
ones that are making a higher, much much higher income,
that are in the top bracket. So those individuals are
they don't they don't actually get a cut, tax break
on their Social Security what what actually happens because of
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the child tax credit, because of no tax on tips,
because of the no tax on overtime. If you look
at the average family of four inside of the United
States will receive roughly ten thousand dollars more and bring
home pay in Oklahoma's seven thousand, but across the country
it's it's ten thousand. That is that is a tax
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cut for the middle class. I mean, we saw our
wages go backwards for the last four years. We saw
inflation at a high and nine point one percent average
during the Biden administration four point ninety five percent. Underneath Trump,
it's now almost two percent and continues to fall. We're
seeing real wages increase. So even outside of that, the
OBBB I always got to get that extra b in there,
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that one big beautiful bill. It did alone, because the
policies will be around ten thousand for an average family
of four. You take inflation and you take actual bring
home pay. Because we see wages increasing. And the reason
why you're seeing wages increasing is because President Trump is
getting rid of all the illegal labels or illegal aliens
that are in that are stealing jobs by working by cash.
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So now You're starting to see people actually have to
pay for the labor that they're producing. You're seeing them
bring home pay even increase more than that. So real
income we're estimating around twelve thousand dollars. When you take
the economic policies at President Trump put in place, you
think about that, an average family of four that's going
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to have c increase and bring home pay around twelve
thousand dollars. That is that's.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Massive, massive. Yes, absolutely start.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Being able to save money again. Instead of pulling out
their savings and living off their credit cards, are actually
pay down their line of credit and actually start putting
money into savings.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
What is the Democrats argument against this? I mean, we
know that they were talking about medicaid and they say
that you're cutting Medicaid.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Obviously we know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I mean, I know from the state of Michigan there
are plenty of people that are taking benefits that shouldn't
be taking benefits. It's interesting because since that we've had
some people come out on social media. I don't know
if they're satire or if they are really saying, hey,
I don't work, I want this money, I don't want
my money cut. But they're clearly able bodied and able
(10:03):
to work. How do you fight that though, because that
narrative of these people, and they're going to have ads,
They're going to come out at the midterms and they're
going to have people that have said, you know, my
child is sick and I had my medicaid taken away,
and this was the Republicans that did it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
How do you fight that?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, we're going to have the ads. There's nothing to
do about it. I think the line's already been drolled
because they made it. They made the fight so quick
right now, and it's so polarizing between Republics and the Democrats.
But the real numbers are and I don't know how
you're going to combat it. It's going to be combat
in one state, in one district at a time that
you're going to have to actually fight it with truth.
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The problem is is that a lie outruns the truth.
But the real fact of the matter is right now,
we have thirty five million people that live underneath the
poverty line inside the United States. Now, that's what medicaid
was designed for, but we have nearly ninety million that's
on medicaid. Now, where in the world is that at?
Because if you're just going by if you just go
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by qualifications of income, you shouldn't even able to qualify
if you're living below the poverty lining with kids. One
of the big things that the Democrats are pushing on
saying that this is unfair, that we can't do this.
It's going to because it's too burdensome. Is the work requirement?
Now let me just throw out the work requirement on
this one. And I don't know how the Democrats defend this.
(11:26):
We're requiring you to work, volunteer, or go to school
twenty hours a week if you have no dependencies and
no health issues. Okay, I'm sorry, you have no dependencies, mean,
you're not response for any kids and you have no
health issues. You just choose not to work, and you
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want the American taxpayer to pay you to stay home
to be lazy. What the Republicans are doing here is like,
we're giving you an opportunity to better yourself by requiring
you to either volunteer, work, or get educated and pull
yourself out of poverty. There's no excuse for being lazy
inside the United States, and it's not up to us.
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If you choose to be lazy, then it's not up
to us to have to fund you, and then we
require you to have a proof of means that you've
got to fill out proof of means every six months
instead of every year, it's every six months. And they're
saying that the paperwork is to burdensome. Wow, yeah, give
me a break. I don't. So we're gonna work we
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cut out the waste and fraud to make sure that
it's there for those that need it and that actually
deserve a helping hand because you find yourself an unfortunate situation.
It's not there for people that want to gain the
system or where the Democrats put them because they're trying
to get everybody free health care.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So the midterms are coming up. Obviously,
we're all looking at this very carefully. Like I said,
in the state of Michigan, we have an open seat.
We have a couple people that are shuffling out of
congressional seats, so that leaves those congressional seats open, and
(13:07):
there is definitely concern that we're not going to go
get through the midterm with the majority.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But I believe that the messaging is there.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I know that what the President is doing, the policies
are there, So I guess it comes down to making
sure the public is educated enough to know that the
Republicans are going to be the ones who are going
to protect you, that are going to get your costs down,
that are going to improve the economy. And right now,
you know, last night they were just talking on Hannity
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about this being one of the best economies that we've
seen in years. So we are going in with all
the right stuff. There are going to be major attacks.
How is fundraising going? How is it going? Looking at
where the grassroots of the Republican Party are right.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Now fundraising, We're setting records on fundraising. So the people
out there, there's some people that are still upset at
some of the tariffs and trade deals that we're trying
to work out, but they're excited about where the economy
is going because they can't. You know, they were talking about,
you know, the terrorists are going to ruin the economy
and inflation is going to come through. We have seen
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no inflation due to tariffs at all. You see, the economy,
as we talked about, is coming back with it with
as I would say, almost like a roaring lion. You
have the stock market that is volatile, it's always volatile.
It's not a good measure of the economy, but it's
still its record numbers, and so everything's moving in the
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right direction. People are excited about it. The thing that
is really really difficult to do is how do you
play wakama with all the lives of Democrats are out
there saying the best thing that's happening for the Democrats
is they're so radical, They're so far the left. It's
what costs them the election, and they haven't changed. The
worst thing that could happen for us is that the
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Democrats decided to be moderate again the Democrats, which they
can't do. Their base won't allow them to be. In fact,
they kicked out all their moderates. But if the Democrat
Party decided to shift and get away from this woke
dei socialist agenda and actually moved towards America First agenda,
you would see that we would have problems with the midterm.
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It's going to be tough anyways, But because they've doubled down,
they keep having ridiculous rhetoric, and the people that are
leading the party at this point is AOC, Japaul, JA
Paul or what however you say your name, and Bernie Sanders,
who are open socialists. And then you see the New
York mayor that literally elects or hasn't elected yet but
(15:38):
as one of the primary to be the new mayor
of New York City, who's a socialist communist I know.
And he's openly saying what he wants to do. And
this is what a lot of people don't understand is
the scariest thing that he is saying that the Democrat
Party is backing up. Remember, a lot of people have
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come out dorsed him and to support him now and
all all the leaders in the Democrat Party have already
come out of supporting this guy. There's three things that
a socialist country has to control. They have to control education, health,
and food and and so the most the most eye
opening thing he said is when he wants to uh
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take all the govern or, all the grocery stores and
be and be ran by the government by New York City,
that is socialism. Because they already control the public school system,
they're controlling the healthcare system, and now they're controlling your
food supply. That is that is so scary, but the
average person out there is seeing this and is waking
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up about what's happening. So for the midterm, this is
the best thing that could happen for the American people
because they see how radical the Democrat Party is.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Do you think there's any regret?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I say you quote tweeted someone a senator last week
who was like, people are privately coming to me and
saying Mark, stay keep fighting, keep fighting.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You were like, this is not happening.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And I think that the reason that people are out
there saying things like that is because their party has
become so radical. They're trying to put out messages that
are a little bit more ratcheted down and like, Okay,
we're the Party of common sense, but they're not. An
Axio's article came out just a couple of days ago
saying that their grassroots are now going to elected officials
(17:36):
and saying, we'd like you to go get shot at
ice facilities. We need you to fight harder, we need
this to look worse for us. So if you get shot,
then the president has a real problem on his hands
and It's interesting because if you read this article, the
electeds who are quoted in there are like, you know,
we're not really into that.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I think that's going a little bit too far.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I mean, they're essentially saying, martyr yourself, go out there,
do act like a crazy person, threaten Ice to the
point where you get killed, and then we can continue
to go after the president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So the Axios article, this is the second time has
been brought up today, I mean, is referring to people
literally draw blood, time to draw blood, and it says
it gives an unnamed Republican or Democrat official. And I'm
going hopefully this isn't true. Hopefully that Axios is making
this up and it's not an actual leader in the
(18:34):
Democrat Party. That would be that stupid to say that.
But if it is, they should expose who that person
is because they're the ones that's leading to the two
ice facilities that got attacked on July fourth and one
and one yesterday on July seventh. They're the ones that
are that are leading to this. When you when you're
constantly fanning the flames and stirring the coals, uh, you're
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going to originally eventually get hold of people that have
a little bit of milli illness that's going to take
that for real, which maybe you do mean it for real,
but hopefully you don't. Hopefully it's just words that get
you aroused and wants you to make you you know,
it's like a call of arms.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
But after what we just saw in Minnesota, how can
you say.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
That that's right? I mean, because it wasn't. When you
start having these ICE attention facilities that are being attacked
by a planned ambush, when you have people that are
showing up in black tactical gear and they have jamming
devices to block their signals so that you can't be
tracked by their cell phone. And then when you have
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an ICE officer that shows up and two people that
are hiding in the woods come out and open fire.
That's a huge, huge, planned, coordinated event that doesn't just
accidentally happen. That is not a peaceful protest. That the
that CNN or CNBC or any of these left leaning
radical outlets or starting to try to deceive the American
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people by saying this is when the Democrat Party should
actually start relooking and focusing on changing their direction and
saying Hey, maybe we got it wrong, but they can't
move because it's their base and they can't leave off
their base. And when they try to leave their base,
their base is starting to eat them alive, because why
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you created this monster and you keep feeding them this
rhetoric that now they believe. And if you're not seen
to be fighting enough, you're going to lose your primary election.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
It's such a double edged sword because I hear what
you're saying about as long as they continue to put
this rhetoric out, we are going to win the midterms.
But I look at New York City, which I think
is the most powerful financial city in the world, and
I think about what you just said about these grocery
stores and what this man could do to destroy that city.
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I mean, he has overwhelmingly talked about defunding the police,
and now even when he is asked about that, he
doesn't say, oh, no, I don't want to defund the police.
He says he wants to reimagine things, just like elhan
Omar was saying. Reimagine and community policing, which is we're
not going to have police, We're going to have people
talking to one another. There is a real danger of
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New York completely going into total chaos.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And then you've also got him.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Not only is he talking about reimagining the police, but
as you said, he's talking about taking over the supermarkets,
he's talking about government control.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
He's talking. I mean, he's.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Openly a socialist. This to me is traveling across the country.
And now, like you said, CNN is going he's not
a communist, he's a socialist.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
As if that's okay, Well I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'd actually disagree with it. A socialist is moving towards
a communist. But when a communist, when a socialist actually
starts taking talking about taking over the food supply, there
are communists at that way, yes, because it's exactly what
they do. It's about controlling the people. And by the way,
have you ever met a poor communist leader or a
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poor socialist leader. It's interesting that most of them come
from quite a bit of money themselves. They may have
came from nothing and they made themselves something, but now
they want everybody to be dependent on them because now
they have wealth and control and their and and they
have power. But what you said about New York about
being a huge financial hub, which I agree with that
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ten years from now. They continue on this path, they
won't be now because all the financial sectors are going
to leave. They're going to go to a red state.
They're going to end up in Florida. They're going to
end up in Oklahoma. I don't think they probably will,
but I'm just saying, I'm just using these for example,
that they're going to leave New York because when he
starts talking about taxing these these large corporations, these billion
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dollar corporations, when they start talking about taxing millionaires and
billionaires a huge percentage, they're not stupid. They're going to leave.
And today you can leave because so much technology is
easily moved from one area to the next. You don't
have to have a physical presence there. One thing the
worst thing about COVID was COVID. The best thing that
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came out of COVID is this right here, the way
we're able to interact now instead of a person and person,
we're able to act interact from person to person but
over the Internet. And it's normalized, and so you can
work from any place at this point. So they don't
have to have the physical address there in New York anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well, and that's always been the sticky wicked about going
after billionaires when you are on a local level. When
he is on a local level, you're the mayor of
a city. If you go after the billionaires. The thing
about billionaires is they can get up and leave, and
even if they have to move people and move buildings,
they can afford it. So when you go after the billionaires,
they're the job creators. They're the ones that are pushing
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into the economy, and that's what hurts the city. But
for someone who's never worked a job, and as you said,
has lived a wealthy lifestyle, has never lived in a
city where it's dangerous, that's where we end up in
a situation that becomes very dangerous. But I know you
keep fighting this. I appreciate what you do every day.
I mean, I watch your social media. You're out there
(24:20):
talking to us. There's so few people that are telling
us what's going on. But what you just said about
COVID is key. We learn to communicate in bigger ways
and you're one of those people doing that. So I
just wanted to say thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I appreciate it. It's an honor to be in the fight.
But I tell people all the time. I am not
growing long or as I say, short and solid in
this job. That's what we talk about cattle or some
people say, you know, long in the tooth. I'm here.
I'm going to do my job as hard as I can,
but I'm not forever. So why I'm here. I'm going
to give it everything I got because it's an honor
to be in the fight and be associated people like
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yourself and great leaders that are leading the country by
telling the truth. It's an exciting time. I'll tell you
this one quick story. We had a gentleman that came in.
I'll leave his name out of it, but he's a
leader and he works with Pete. Hegseth, and he walked
in my office. We sat down, we had a good conversation,
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he says, and he's older, and he goes. The reason
why I'm not retiring right now is because I feel
like we have once in a generational opportunity to make
true changes in America. We've been going the wrong direction
for so long that I didn't think we would ever
be able to turn. But now the timing is right.
We got the leadership in place, and the American people
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are asking for it, and it's becoming on all of
us to do it. When he said that, I'm telling you,
here's a guy that's not quite twice my age, but
he's definitely got me by fifty percent of my age
or more and he's still in the fight. He could
retire today if you wanted to, not to mention President
Trump and you're going if they're doing this, then so
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can I and so going without sleep right now, let's
go if we got once in a lifetime opportunity. We
only have three and a half years that we're guaranteed
we can make big changes if we're all in the
same boat. We'relling in the same direction, fighting for the
same thing, and President Trump' will want to draw that
vision for us.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It is a unique moment where you have leadership that
is not shackled by politics but loyal to the people.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And that is the opportunity you have.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Senator Mark Wade Mullin, thank you so much, Thank you,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to Tutor
Dixon podcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or
wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Have a blessed day,
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have Senator Mark
Wayne Mullen back with me today. I want to talk
to him about all things while government, but also One
Big Beautiful Bill because it passed. Congratulations, Senator, thank you
for being out there every day talking about it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Absolutely well, we're excited about it. It was a it
was a huge push. I told everybody I can't wait
until it's done because I'm actually going to get rest.
But I lied that has a same I don't think literally.
I was recounting just while to go with my office
that I've got three hours of sleep since Sunday morning,
(00:37):
and so it just just part of it. But the
One Big Beautiful Bill. Listen, super sorry, this is what
happens when you eat whet tans right freaking.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
On the That's fine because that was.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
My h that was my lunch. But anyways, you the
One Big Beautiful Bill has been such a push in
September because in September we knew we were going to win,
right and President Trump was already talking about it. When
we're on the plane, we're talking about the priorities that
needed to be in the One Big Beautiful Bill. Even
though we wasn't calling it OBBB. Back then. We were
just talking about the Reconciliation package, what needed to be
(01:11):
in it. He was talking about taxes, he was talking
about the permacy, he was talking about border he was
talking about making sure we fully fund the border wall.
He was talking about energy. I mean, through the whole campaign,
the whole time I was on Trump Force one, we
were discussing it. And then when we get we win
the election, because we knew we were going to win it.
We win the election in November. It's been it's been
(01:32):
just the hard push from Jason Smith in the as
Chairman of Ways and Means, who is a very good
friend of mine in factor he leases a room off
of me at my house here in DC. Uh. He just,
I mean, it's all. It was all consuming to him.
With me being the liaison between the Senate and the House,
I was working on the House side when it was
going through to make sure that Senate a priorities in it,
(01:53):
and then we had our priorities in it, and uh,
and then working with a White House on it. The
President was fully engaged. And the thing is is when
the president is fully engaged, he doesn't sleep. And I
sleeps anyways, but he doesn't. He doesn't sleep, and so
I'm getting phone calls from him at twelve thirty in
the morning or I guess oh to thirty in the morning,
(02:14):
and I'm getting calls again from him at five forty
in the morning. I'm getting text messaging to the port
where I wouldn't go to sleep until after midnight because
I was afraid I would miss a call, which I
did do that one time, and I fell asleep and
then I answered the call and I don't remember the
phone call. A funny story here. Literally, I wake up
and I get up early. I usually wake up between
(02:35):
four and four thirty. And I woke up and I
was like, I had a dream I talked to President Trump?
Am I really talking to him that much that I
had a dream? So I looked at my phone and
said dj T and I'm like, oh my goodness, it's
black and I'm going no, and it's duration three minutes.
So I wait until almost six o'clock. I call him
(02:57):
and he answered the phone. The first thing he says,
you don't remember talking to me. I was like, no,
what I say? He said, You'll never know and just
hung up on me.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
No, that is hilarious because no one knows.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, that's the worst thing that can actually happen. And
so I was just I was just so so now.
The whole time doing The One Big Beautiful Bill, I
was always afraid to go to sleep because that first hour,
I'm horrible. When I go to sleep, I only sleep
about four or five hours anyways, But when I go
to sleep that first hour, I wake up cranky or
(03:29):
I don't wake up at all. You can wake me
up after the first hour and I'll come straight awake.
I'm good. I can I can set straight up and
go walk into a fight. I mean, I'm good. But
that first hour is just it's just awful. And so anyways,
the One Big Beautiful Bill, I'm glad it's over with.
But now we're moving on to other things. And we
(03:49):
got all their priorities. It wasn't perfect, right, I mean,
there's some stuff in there that we didn't like, that
didn't negotiate a lot. We had all negotiate a lot
right at the last minute with Lisa mccowski to get
to get over our threshold of the votes. But we
were able to do it and deliver on I'll say
one of the most impactful bills and probably our generation.
(04:12):
That is a legacy bill for the Republicans plus for
the president, and I think one of the biggest wins
in there. We can talk about taxes being permanent, right.
We talked the plus up on the military and putting
us into the front to the actual future of the
fight with AI technology and new technology that puts us
in the conventional warfighter that actually helps us from deterrence perspective,
(04:35):
not so we don't have to use it, but to
keep people from actually saying we don't want to mess
with those guys. That's peace through strength. But one thing
that's been overlooked is that we fully funded the southern
border to finish the wall. We put in forty six
billion dollars. That's more than enough to build every inch
of that wall, either by a physical barrier or from
(04:58):
technology that exist in some of the more remote areas
that have UAE technology. As soon as something happens, it's
able or uas, we're able to immediately put eyes on it,
and we're able to monitor what's happening in those areas.
And what's different between that and the president's first term
(05:19):
is that in this one it's it's a wall, it's
not an executive order. So even God forbid we get
a Democrat in there after President Trump, they can't stop it.
The wall has to continue.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And that is key because we know that Joe Biden
just let everything go to crap and then started selling
everything off, trying to keep it friendly for the kids.
But I mean, honestly, I think people don't understand that.
That is why Congress has to work with the president,
because the executive orders can only go so far. Once
(05:54):
the president is out of office, that can all change.
So I love that you pointed that out. I want
to talk about about the tax relief because Democrats their
party line right now across the board, but especially in
Michigan where we have some vulnerable seats for the midterm,
is that this was tax relief for billionaires. And have
you just put out a tweet a few days ago
(06:15):
that says tax relief for working families.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, let's debunk what they're saying. First of all, they're
saying that it's tax relaf for the billionaires because we're
not allowing the taxes to expire. But if taxes were
to expire, because we really didn't do anything different except
to make the current tax policy not expire, because underneath
current tax law, all the taxes that we put in,
(06:41):
the tax cuts we put in in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen,
would expire on December thirty first, So the American people
across the board would see a roughly a four trillion
dollar increase in taxes because we made it permanent stops
at now. Nothing change is on the upper labor layer,
(07:02):
so the one percent, their taxes stay the same. The
bottom percent we actually put in We doubled the child
tax credit in there. We put no tax on tips,
We put no tax on overtime, which is huge because
that's the working class, right they're working by the hour.
We're not taxing you on anything that you're that you're
that you're working over forty hours. And then it then
(07:24):
there's no tax on Social Security for eighty eight percent.
The reason why they say, well, that's not accurate. You know,
it's eighty eight percent because the twelve percent are the
ones that are making a higher, much much higher income,
that are in the top bracket. So those individuals are
they don't they don't actually get a cut, tax break
on their Social Security what what actually happens because of
(07:46):
the child tax credit, because of no tax on tips,
because of the no tax on overtime. If you look
at the average family of four inside of the United
States will receive roughly ten thousand dollars more and bring
home pay in Oklahoma's seven thousand, but across the country
it's it's ten thousand. That is that is a tax
(08:07):
cut for the middle class. I mean, we saw our
wages go backwards for the last four years. We saw
inflation at a high and nine point one percent average
during the Biden administration four point ninety five percent. Underneath Trump,
it's now almost two percent and continues to fall. We're
seeing real wages increase. So even outside of that, the
OBBB I always got to get that extra b in there,
(08:29):
that one big beautiful bill. It did alone, because the
policies will be around ten thousand for an average family
of four. You take inflation and you take actual bring
home pay. Because we see wages increasing. And the reason
why you're seeing wages increasing is because President Trump is
getting rid of all the illegal labels or illegal aliens
that are in that are stealing jobs by working by cash.
(08:52):
So now You're starting to see people actually have to
pay for the labor that they're producing. You're seeing them
bring home pay even increase more than that. So real
income we're estimating around twelve thousand dollars. When you take
the economic policies at President Trump put in place, you
think about that, an average family of four that's going
(09:12):
to have c increase and bring home pay around twelve
thousand dollars. That is that's.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Massive, massive. Yes, absolutely start.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Being able to save money again. Instead of pulling out
their savings and living off their credit cards, are actually
pay down their line of credit and actually start putting
money into savings.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
What is the Democrats argument against this? I mean, we
know that they were talking about medicaid and they say
that you're cutting Medicaid.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Obviously we know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I mean, I know from the state of Michigan there
are plenty of people that are taking benefits that shouldn't
be taking benefits. It's interesting because since that we've had
some people come out on social media. I don't know
if they're satire or if they are really saying, hey,
I don't work, I want this money, I don't want
my money cut. But they're clearly able bodied and able
(10:03):
to work. How do you fight that though, because that
narrative of these people, and they're going to have ads,
They're going to come out at the midterms and they're
going to have people that have said, you know, my
child is sick and I had my medicaid taken away,
and this was the Republicans that did it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
How do you fight that?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, we're going to have the ads. There's nothing to
do about it. I think the line's already been drolled
because they made it. They made the fight so quick
right now, and it's so polarizing between Republics and the Democrats.
But the real numbers are and I don't know how
you're going to combat it. It's going to be combat
in one state, in one district at a time that
you're going to have to actually fight it with truth.
(10:40):
The problem is is that a lie outruns the truth.
But the real fact of the matter is right now,
we have thirty five million people that live underneath the
poverty line inside the United States. Now, that's what medicaid
was designed for, but we have nearly ninety million that's
on medicaid. Now, where in the world is that at?
Because if you're just going by if you just go
(11:03):
by qualifications of income, you shouldn't even able to qualify
if you're living below the poverty lining with kids. One
of the big things that the Democrats are pushing on
saying that this is unfair, that we can't do this.
It's going to because it's too burdensome. Is the work requirement?
Now let me just throw out the work requirement on
this one. And I don't know how the Democrats defend this.
(11:26):
We're requiring you to work, volunteer, or go to school
twenty hours a week if you have no dependencies and
no health issues. Okay, I'm sorry, you have no dependencies, mean,
you're not response for any kids and you have no
health issues. You just choose not to work, and you
(11:47):
want the American taxpayer to pay you to stay home
to be lazy. What the Republicans are doing here is like,
we're giving you an opportunity to better yourself by requiring
you to either volunteer, work, or get educated and pull
yourself out of poverty. There's no excuse for being lazy
inside the United States, and it's not up to us.
(12:10):
If you choose to be lazy, then it's not up
to us to have to fund you, and then we
require you to have a proof of means that you've
got to fill out proof of means every six months
instead of every year, it's every six months. And they're
saying that the paperwork is to burdensome. Wow, yeah, give
me a break. I don't. So we're gonna work we
(12:30):
cut out the waste and fraud to make sure that
it's there for those that need it and that actually
deserve a helping hand because you find yourself an unfortunate situation.
It's not there for people that want to gain the
system or where the Democrats put them because they're trying
to get everybody free health care.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So the midterms are coming up. Obviously,
we're all looking at this very carefully. Like I said,
in the state of Michigan, we have an open seat.
We have a couple people that are shuffling out of
congressional seats, so that leaves those congressional seats open, and
(13:07):
there is definitely concern that we're not going to go
get through the midterm with the majority.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But I believe that the messaging is there.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I know that what the President is doing, the policies
are there, So I guess it comes down to making
sure the public is educated enough to know that the
Republicans are going to be the ones who are going
to protect you, that are going to get your costs down,
that are going to improve the economy. And right now,
you know, last night they were just talking on Hannity
(13:36):
about this being one of the best economies that we've
seen in years. So we are going in with all
the right stuff. There are going to be major attacks.
How is fundraising going? How is it going? Looking at
where the grassroots of the Republican Party are right.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Now fundraising, We're setting records on fundraising. So the people
out there, there's some people that are still upset at
some of the tariffs and trade deals that we're trying
to work out, but they're excited about where the economy
is going because they can't. You know, they were talking about,
you know, the terrorists are going to ruin the economy
and inflation is going to come through. We have seen
(14:14):
no inflation due to tariffs at all. You see, the economy,
as we talked about, is coming back with it with
as I would say, almost like a roaring lion. You
have the stock market that is volatile, it's always volatile.
It's not a good measure of the economy, but it's
still its record numbers, and so everything's moving in the
(14:35):
right direction. People are excited about it. The thing that
is really really difficult to do is how do you
play wakama with all the lives of Democrats are out
there saying the best thing that's happening for the Democrats
is they're so radical, They're so far the left. It's
what costs them the election, and they haven't changed. The
worst thing that could happen for us is that the
(14:55):
Democrats decided to be moderate again the Democrats, which they
can't do. Their base won't allow them to be. In fact,
they kicked out all their moderates. But if the Democrat
Party decided to shift and get away from this woke
dei socialist agenda and actually moved towards America First agenda,
you would see that we would have problems with the midterm.
(15:15):
It's going to be tough anyways, But because they've doubled down,
they keep having ridiculous rhetoric, and the people that are
leading the party at this point is AOC, Japaul, JA
Paul or what however you say your name, and Bernie Sanders,
who are open socialists. And then you see the New
York mayor that literally elects or hasn't elected yet but
(15:38):
as one of the primary to be the new mayor
of New York City, who's a socialist communist I know.
And he's openly saying what he wants to do. And
this is what a lot of people don't understand is
the scariest thing that he is saying that the Democrat
Party is backing up. Remember, a lot of people have
(15:59):
come out dorsed him and to support him now and
all all the leaders in the Democrat Party have already
come out of supporting this guy. There's three things that
a socialist country has to control. They have to control education, health,
and food and and so the most the most eye
opening thing he said is when he wants to uh
(16:21):
take all the govern or, all the grocery stores and
be and be ran by the government by New York City,
that is socialism. Because they already control the public school system,
they're controlling the healthcare system, and now they're controlling your
food supply. That is that is so scary, but the
average person out there is seeing this and is waking
(16:43):
up about what's happening. So for the midterm, this is
the best thing that could happen for the American people
because they see how radical the Democrat Party is.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Do you think there's any regret?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I say you quote tweeted someone a senator last week
who was like, people are privately coming to me and
saying Mark, stay keep fighting, keep fighting.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You were like, this is not happening.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And I think that the reason that people are out
there saying things like that is because their party has
become so radical. They're trying to put out messages that
are a little bit more ratcheted down and like, Okay,
we're the Party of common sense, but they're not. An
Axio's article came out just a couple of days ago
saying that their grassroots are now going to elected officials
(17:36):
and saying, we'd like you to go get shot at
ice facilities. We need you to fight harder, we need
this to look worse for us. So if you get shot,
then the president has a real problem on his hands
and It's interesting because if you read this article, the
electeds who are quoted in there are like, you know,
we're not really into that.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I think that's going a little bit too far.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I mean, they're essentially saying, martyr yourself, go out there,
do act like a crazy person, threaten Ice to the
point where you get killed, and then we can continue
to go after the president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So the Axios article, this is the second time has
been brought up today, I mean, is referring to people
literally draw blood, time to draw blood, and it says
it gives an unnamed Republican or Democrat official. And I'm
going hopefully this isn't true. Hopefully that Axios is making
this up and it's not an actual leader in the
(18:34):
Democrat Party. That would be that stupid to say that.
But if it is, they should expose who that person
is because they're the ones that's leading to the two
ice facilities that got attacked on July fourth and one
and one yesterday on July seventh. They're the ones that
are that are leading to this. When you when you're
constantly fanning the flames and stirring the coals, uh, you're
(18:56):
going to originally eventually get hold of people that have
a little bit of milli illness that's going to take
that for real, which maybe you do mean it for real,
but hopefully you don't. Hopefully it's just words that get
you aroused and wants you to make you you know,
it's like a call of arms.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
But after what we just saw in Minnesota, how can
you say.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
That that's right? I mean, because it wasn't. When you
start having these ICE attention facilities that are being attacked
by a planned ambush, when you have people that are
showing up in black tactical gear and they have jamming
devices to block their signals so that you can't be
tracked by their cell phone. And then when you have
(19:38):
an ICE officer that shows up and two people that
are hiding in the woods come out and open fire.
That's a huge, huge, planned, coordinated event that doesn't just
accidentally happen. That is not a peaceful protest. That the
that CNN or CNBC or any of these left leaning
radical outlets or starting to try to deceive the American
(20:01):
people by saying this is when the Democrat Party should
actually start relooking and focusing on changing their direction and
saying Hey, maybe we got it wrong, but they can't
move because it's their base and they can't leave off
their base. And when they try to leave their base,
their base is starting to eat them alive, because why
(20:24):
you created this monster and you keep feeding them this
rhetoric that now they believe. And if you're not seen
to be fighting enough, you're going to lose your primary election.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
It's such a double edged sword because I hear what
you're saying about as long as they continue to put
this rhetoric out, we are going to win the midterms.
But I look at New York City, which I think
is the most powerful financial city in the world, and
I think about what you just said about these grocery
stores and what this man could do to destroy that city.
(20:58):
I mean, he has overwhelmingly talked about defunding the police,
and now even when he is asked about that, he
doesn't say, oh, no, I don't want to defund the police.
He says he wants to reimagine things, just like elhan
Omar was saying. Reimagine and community policing, which is we're
not going to have police, We're going to have people
talking to one another. There is a real danger of
(21:20):
New York completely going into total chaos.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And then you've also got him.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Not only is he talking about reimagining the police, but
as you said, he's talking about taking over the supermarkets,
he's talking about government control.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
He's talking. I mean, he's.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Openly a socialist. This to me is traveling across the country.
And now, like you said, CNN is going he's not
a communist, he's a socialist.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
As if that's okay, Well I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'd actually disagree with it. A socialist is moving towards
a communist. But when a communist, when a socialist actually
starts taking talking about taking over the food supply, there
are communists at that way, yes, because it's exactly what
they do. It's about controlling the people. And by the way,
have you ever met a poor communist leader or a
(22:09):
poor socialist leader. It's interesting that most of them come
from quite a bit of money themselves. They may have
came from nothing and they made themselves something, but now
they want everybody to be dependent on them because now
they have wealth and control and their and and they
have power. But what you said about New York about
being a huge financial hub, which I agree with that
(22:32):
ten years from now. They continue on this path, they
won't be now because all the financial sectors are going
to leave. They're going to go to a red state.
They're going to end up in Florida. They're going to
end up in Oklahoma. I don't think they probably will,
but I'm just saying, I'm just using these for example,
that they're going to leave New York because when he
starts talking about taxing these these large corporations, these billion
(22:56):
dollar corporations, when they start talking about taxing millionaires and
billionaires a huge percentage, they're not stupid. They're going to leave.
And today you can leave because so much technology is
easily moved from one area to the next. You don't
have to have a physical presence there. One thing the
worst thing about COVID was COVID. The best thing that
(23:18):
came out of COVID is this right here, the way
we're able to interact now instead of a person and person,
we're able to act interact from person to person but
over the Internet. And it's normalized, and so you can
work from any place at this point. So they don't
have to have the physical address there in New York anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well, and that's always been the sticky wicked about going
after billionaires when you are on a local level. When
he is on a local level, you're the mayor of
a city. If you go after the billionaires. The thing
about billionaires is they can get up and leave, and
even if they have to move people and move buildings,
they can afford it. So when you go after the billionaires,
they're the job creators. They're the ones that are pushing
(23:59):
into the economy, and that's what hurts the city. But
for someone who's never worked a job, and as you said,
has lived a wealthy lifestyle, has never lived in a
city where it's dangerous, that's where we end up in
a situation that becomes very dangerous. But I know you
keep fighting this. I appreciate what you do every day.
I mean, I watch your social media. You're out there
(24:20):
talking to us. There's so few people that are telling
us what's going on. But what you just said about
COVID is key. We learn to communicate in bigger ways
and you're one of those people doing that. So I
just wanted to say thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I appreciate it. It's an honor to be in the fight.
But I tell people all the time. I am not
growing long or as I say, short and solid in
this job. That's what we talk about cattle or some
people say, you know, long in the tooth. I'm here.
I'm going to do my job as hard as I can,
but I'm not forever. So why I'm here. I'm going
to give it everything I got because it's an honor
to be in the fight and be associated people like
(24:55):
yourself and great leaders that are leading the country by
telling the truth. It's an exciting time. I'll tell you
this one quick story. We had a gentleman that came in.
I'll leave his name out of it, but he's a
leader and he works with Pete. Hegseth, and he walked
in my office. We sat down, we had a good conversation,
(25:16):
he says, and he's older, and he goes. The reason
why I'm not retiring right now is because I feel
like we have once in a generational opportunity to make
true changes in America. We've been going the wrong direction
for so long that I didn't think we would ever
be able to turn. But now the timing is right.
We got the leadership in place, and the American people
(25:38):
are asking for it, and it's becoming on all of
us to do it. When he said that, I'm telling you,
here's a guy that's not quite twice my age, but
he's definitely got me by fifty percent of my age
or more and he's still in the fight. He could
retire today if you wanted to, not to mention President
Trump and you're going if they're doing this, then so
(25:58):
can I and so going without sleep right now, let's
go if we got once in a lifetime opportunity. We
only have three and a half years that we're guaranteed
we can make big changes if we're all in the
same boat. We'relling in the same direction, fighting for the
same thing, and President Trump' will want to draw that
vision for us.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It is a unique moment where you have leadership that
is not shackled by politics but loyal to the people.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And that is the opportunity you have.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Senator Mark Wade Mullin, thank you so much, Thank you,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to Tutor
Dixon podcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or
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Speaker 3 (26:39):
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