The MAGA Split Explained: From Trump's Golden Escalator To The Epstein Coverup

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Epstein, Endless wars Land for sale. The Maga split is real.
This is the David Rutherford Show. What's up, everybody. It's
pretty awesome to be back. I just uh, man, I
had a hell of a July fourth weekend, went up

(00:21):
to the Nashville area, got to spend some time with
my best friend and his family. Had a great time.
But while I was gone some we have some monster
news to cover. And that monster news is that our
very own executive producer, mister Jeordie Long had his first child.

(00:45):
So I want to wish him the best along with
all the audience and just say, Jeordie, we're so stoked
for for you and and your wife and now your
beautiful daughter. Brother. How does it feel being a dad? Dude?
It is a Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Everyone's healthy, that's what I care about. Baby and mom
are good. Everyone's here and doing great. Sleep deprived, but
don't even really care. It's awesome and uh yeah, man,
that's the people were right. Nothing compares well. I'm so
stoked for you. I think you're gonna just be Uh.
It's just gonna be the greatest experience.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
There's nothing better in the world than then being you know,
married to the right person, having beautiful, wonderful kids to
keep you on your toes and keep you young, and
then it just gives you true meaning in this life.
And I know, as a man of faith like me, Uh,
you're gonna do an amazing jobs as a dad and
a husband. So congratulations, buddy, Thank you, sir. I'm so stoked.

(01:44):
I'm so stoked. It's the best. Well, you know what
else went on this weekend, JORDI was, uh, well, while
I was enjoying myself in Nashville with my family, while
you were having your first baby. Uh, the d O
J decided to drop at a little dose of I

(02:06):
don't even know what to call this, but basically, they
released a memo on Sunday, you know, Sunday afternoon, holiday weekend.
They released a memo that came out and they professed
that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Uh, there was no list
of clientele and that there was no international blackmail scheme

(02:32):
going on. And as a result of that, I think
it kind of really exacerbated what I believe had already
been kind of percolating across the MAGA movement, which was
leading to where I now one percent believe there is
a fundamental split in the MAGA Party, the Maga movement,

(02:55):
the Maga coalition, whatever you want to call it. There
is a very significant fissure in this entire thing, right.
And the challenge, I believe for us who are part
of that Maga movement is how do we evaluate this
Because one of the things that I felt was really

(03:17):
unique to us is is the long process that we
all got to that got us to this place.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
And a lot of people say, well, you know, it
began this summer with Trump's assassination attap. That was attempt,
that was the ultra unification of this emerging party. You know,
I disagree wholeheartedly. There's a group of people that I
think really came out of the woodwork after the twenty

(03:49):
twenty election fiasco that was a part YEP. Then there
are the loyalists, the die hard loyalists that go all
the way back to Russia Gate and the recognition of
that internal and we just saw what we just said.
We just saw the DOJ and the FBI announce there's
an investigation going into Comy Brennan and potentially Clapper, who

(04:15):
were all at the head of the intelligence agencies. I'd
like to see Chris Wright thrown in there. For sure,
he was a part of this, and you know that,
you know, And then a lot of other people believe
that it was the moment that Trump came down the
escalator in June of sixteen, while when he really initiated

(04:35):
his run. But what a lot of people don't realize
is that And when do you think, Jordi, when do
you think Trump trademarked the motto make America great Again?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I think it was after he announced, so I think
it was post elevator, was it wrong?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's twenty fifteen. Then twenty twelve is when Trump trademarked
that slogan, and it was a direct result of Mitt
Romney's kind of ineffectual run against Obama and the twenty
twelve presidential run. And so a lot of people believe,
all right, that's where it got it start. But I

(05:16):
disagree because what I wanted to really understand to help,
like I want to do, like Jordan and I want
to do on the show, is we want to contextualize
and give a greater context to the magnitude of what's
taking place in the moment. And the only way you
do that is if you go back and you evaluate
the sequence of events that took place. So what I

(05:36):
believe what really initiated this was I think there was
a consensus probably around two thousand and eight or nine,
that something was not on the up and up. And
in particular, there were two major places that I believe

(05:57):
this took place. One in particular was the war in
Iraq and what was taking place. We had already learned
so much about weapons of mass destruction them not being there,
and what was really fascinating recently, there was a gentleman
named Scott Horton who went on the Tucker Carlson Show
and he wrote a book called Provoked that's phenomenal, And

(06:20):
what he talks about is he lays out the exactitude
of the sequence which led us up into the Iraq
War and amongst our current what's going on in the
Middle East and what has taken place over the last
forty plus years. And what's interesting is a lot of
the reason for going against Iraq had really nothing to

(06:44):
do with Iraq and mostly to do with Iran and
a bunch of other kind of neo cons and you know,
one in the Reagan administration than George Senior, and then
certainly in the Clinton administration, and it's a great episode
to listen to if you want to understand her by book,
and there's a lot more to it. And I think
American both right and left, really began to realize that, hey,

(07:08):
this is ridiculous. Why are we still We're spending trillions
of dollars? We're losing American life for what what is
going to be the outcome? And I think that began
to percolate that in particular, you saw that with GWATT
veterans starting to be a little bit perturbed as to
what was the plan? What's the plan? What is the

(07:30):
outcome we're going for not only in Iraq, but Afghanistan
and all the other initiatives or strategic initiatives within the
g WAT. And I think that on the right is
a core place to begin to see where kind of
the lack of confidence in the government was going. On

(07:51):
the other side, after Obama had been elected in eight
you had the economic collapse that had taken place too,
And this was something that I also believe touched both sides,
both left and right. Why because we saw an economic
collapse that was a direct result of the financial system

(08:15):
essentially giving subprime loans to everybody and their brother. Right,
The Big Short, the movie. Do you see that movie, Jordi,
The Big Short?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I love that movie. And it was not just I
have to say, And it wasn't just a financial system.
It was a financial system enabled by government policies meant
to help people quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
And do you know what those government policies were. It
was all related to the mortgagees. Make it really easy.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
You know, every American needs that American dream needs, needs
a house. Let's get them all outlaw George Bush. Right,
it was it was like, let's get every single American
in a house. That's what we're going to do. So
that was in a Republican initiative, but was also supported. Right,
you had the Dodd Frank Bill and a bunch of
other things, you know, they all these other thic Well, anyways,

(09:01):
eight the collapse happens. Now what took place immediately after that?
The American people began to see that guess who's getting
bailed out? Right, the mega corporations.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right, all of these organizations received a tremendous amount of
support from the US government. And we heard the phrase
what too big to fail? Right, So now you've got
something going on overseas and and endless wars in the
Middle East, right exacerbating shooting our budget through the roof.

(09:35):
You've got this massive bailout and do you know what
the number was? Did you find that number? Jeordy on
how much if bailout money took place in that I
sure did so.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
The number just bottom line between the main program for
eight was TARP TARP, that was about seven in the
seven hundred billion mark. Around there, there's another program called
a combined congressional spending was about one point five trillion dollars.

(10:10):
Now this doesn't get into QE. That happened all through
the twenty tens. But if you just want to look
which was related to it, definitely related. But if you
want to look at just the acute spending to address
a national quote unquote crisis and then in an emergency,
it was about one point five trillion.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
It wasn't just national, it wasn't just this was an
international They believe that if they didn't spend that money
to support the car industry, the banking industry, all these
people that had utterly leveraged the positions to the expense
of the American taxpayer. Right. Ultimately, everybody was like, if
we don't save the American financial infrastructure, then the entire

(10:51):
world's going to go into a catastrophic recession. That there
are millions and millions of people are going to die,
there's going to be chaos everywhere.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
They may have been right with the system, the system
that they've set up with the Federal Reserve, central banking,
all of that. How you know, don't even get into
the petro dollar and all that, right, Uh, they it
was interconnected. It would have been a bad thing. But
it's kind of like, you know, the the arson, who's
the fire the arson, who's the firefighter. You're like, yeah,

(11:19):
it would have been a big problem, but it's because
of the policies and the systems that we've built in America.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I completely agree with that analysis. That's that's great. And
you mentioned Quey. If you're not familiar with KUY, it's
called quantitative easy easy, which basically the Fed. Yeah, such
a Basically the Fed said we're going to get free
money away with almost zero interest rates in order to
bring this back, get all this going. And if you

(11:44):
really want to dig into this, there's a guy that
I follow on X his name is Brian Westberry. He's
one of the top economists in the game out there.
You can find him on Fox Business all time. A
brilliant guy. But that guy is able to summarize the
FED better than anybody else I've ever heard and seen.
And one of his big focuses was their quantitative easing

(12:07):
positive que policy and how that got us to where
we are today. So check him out online. All right,
So you have the endless wars in the Middle East,
you have the government bailing out Wall Street and big corporations,
right that comes together as a result of that. You
saw two unique initiatives or reactions to that on a

(12:31):
political level. One was the Tea Party, which was much
more significant and much more well funded by the Koch
brothers by the way, and then really kind of propped
up Rush Limbag really got behind the idea of this,
and the whole thing was like, hey man, we cannot
let the government go rampant on this type of spending anymore.
They're going to destroy our economy. A real liberalist libertarian mentality.

(12:57):
And if you really want to go back and really
understand that, suggest you look at some of Ron Paul
ran Paul's old work, really amazing stuff during that time.
But tangentially to that, you had the Occupy Wall Street emerge.
And this was really my belief in terms of, you know,
the people who began to realize, hey, this American dream

(13:18):
you're promising is not really accessible to me when I
just I have, you know, three hundred thousand dollars in
student loans, I'm coming in at low end jobs. Tech
is taken over. I don't know how to code. I
just got my degree in international basket weaving and applied
you know, Middle Eastern dance, whatever it is, and that

(13:42):
it's not accessible for me to go and do this.
So you saw this Occupy Wall Street movement take place.
So in my mind, what you had in from basically
two thousand and eight to two thousand, I would say
fourteen fifteen is you had these rumblings taking place across

(14:05):
the American public, and you had this building concentration of hey,
this is horseshit, man, we need to start taking care
of ourselves. We're spending you know, billions of dollars overseas
to help other people. We're also spending billions of dollars
overseas to wage endless wars. And the war against an

(14:28):
adjective right, and the American people are getting fed up,
and they're getting fed up not with just the right,
but with the left as well too. Now it's an
own country too.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
For the bankers and the financiers who got away scott
free with all of this, that's right, right.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
What one dude went to jail for that whole thing?
I think, yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
It was like one dude and they got them on something,
some secure charge, but which is absurd. It's a slap
in the face essentially. Well, that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's all of this when you can have one of
the greatest financial catastrophes ever and nobody gets in trouble,
nobody gets fired, nobody gets whatever. And the same thing
is true for the Iraq war. Right, that whole thing
was a lie to the American people from the get go,
from the beginning, a complete and utter lie to the

(15:21):
American people. And guess what, nobody went, nobody got reprimanded,
nobody got in trouble, nobody went to jail, nobody went
for trees. Nothing, nothing happened. So now you have these
two major cataclysmic events, right that people are seeing young
people in particular, right, the millennial generation that's coming up.

(15:42):
They're in high school, they're in college during this whole thing,
and there's already been Well, that's what I'm thinking. For me,
I was kind of on the other end of that, right,
I was in my thirties when all this was taking place.
I was still working for the government, right essentially as
a contractor for the agency during the midst of all this. So, man,

(16:03):
I was I'm not gonna lie. I always think I
was pretty inept on connecting the dots. All I wanted
to do was go overseas and carry that gun and
try and who y'all su poor America. I didn't care
what it looked like or what it did. What I did,
But the people that were here, your generation, were starting
to go, he man, why is everything so jacked up?

(16:26):
What else happened during that time, Jeordy? What emerged out
of that?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Well, you don't want me to say bitcoin, but you're
probably thinking of something else. I love that you always
go to bitcoin. God bless bitcoin. Right. Well, the other
thing related to that is I think another movement that's
worth mentioning is the whole in the FED movement and
I think that was a pretty powerful movement and slogan
amongst especially young people. I mean, I even I remember

(16:53):
that I was young, so I'm only I'm thirty one
years old. But the first politician that I thought was interesting,
like I'd heard of it. But by the the first time,
I was like, you know, trying to pay attention and
like I knew a politician's name, and you know, really
I liked someone.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
It was Ron Paul Yep, Dude, I started with that.
And the first like big, I mean, I guess you
could count nine to eleven. I remember that, but I
was so young that I was just a kid. But
the first time I was like started to get aware
was literally started with eight and all of the fallout
from that, and for at least for millennials, a lot
of millennials, that's like the beginning of their think about that,

(17:31):
their political political starting.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
The Yeah, that's interesting, that's a great that's a great fact.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
And I also you also got to believe that, you know,
during that time when what was being taught in universities,
what was being taught had really hardcore skewed left.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right around twenty thirteen or so, twenty twenty twelve is twelve.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Twenty twelve is where you see the diagram of the
media just explode with a lot of these dei ees,
you know, all these movements that really began to emerge.
We need the police, censorship and all that type of
thing as well.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I went my first year in college was twenty twelve, right,
and so I remember that was like a transitional period
where you kind of remember the old world, but you
started that was you started to hear some new ideas
entering the campus, right, people talking a little bit differently
than they used to. Also, you can't really say certain
words that you used to be able to say that

(18:27):
we're fine. It was like a weird transition period. I
remember when I first got into college, but then the
second thirty year I was in college, it had solidified.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's right. It went from political correctness of the late
nineties early two thousands to woke right. Woke exploded around
that time, that woke mentality, and it really it blossed them.
And because they had political control, right, they were able
to get it and nurture it and expand on it.
And SoCal media exploded around that time. That was the

(18:56):
thing that I was trying That's the thing that I
was trying to provoke an answer from you about social
media exploded at that time, right, so now you know,
all of the mainstream conduits of information no longer had
their permanent grasp right, they couldn't be completely controlled, and

(19:17):
so social media began. And initially social media with the algorithms,
were pretty wild and they're pretty got. You saw what
you saw and that was it. But then again around
that twenty twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen, you really started to
see it shift right where you you know, whatever you
were into, maybe they were putting other things in your feed.

(19:38):
There was you could start to see a titration of
the algorithm, if you will. And I think it was
really kind of Obama's second term where the American population
began a good a good deal of the American population
and especially the you know, the moreditional sense, and I'm

(20:01):
not saying more traditional conservatives or traditional liberals. I'm saying
traditional people that are in that middle started to say, hey,
something's not right. And I think that really provoked Donald
Trump in that moment to come out in fifteen, you know,
and really start to think about it. And then you know,

(20:22):
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And what we now know, right, you had Comy Brennan, Clapper, Biden. Right,

(21:51):
they basically through the guys of Hillary Clinton her campaign,
which was John Podesta, Jake Sullivan, Anthony Blankin, you know,
all these political players basically said, you know what, this
guy's a Russian agent. This is what's going on. Meanwhile,

(22:14):
you know, everybody's trying to hide the sale of nuclear
material to Russia that had taken place, the scandal of
running guns down into the cartels, the opioid crisis that
had emerged, right, all these other things. It cracks me
up when people actually have the audacity to say, Barack
Obama there wasn't a single scandal in his entire administration, right,

(22:38):
And I think the veneer of everything people with the
ability for the Internet and people to talk to one
another around the world, that began to crack, and so
they they doubled down on Trump. And because of that,
it was so obvious that people were like, whoa, this
is not They're not going to let this guy govern

(23:00):
even right. And for me, the big one that really
initiated was was Mike Flynn, General Flynn when he was
indicted for perjury, which is just crazy to me because
it's like they all perjure themselves every day of the
week and twice on Tuesdays. Right, But he supposedly lied

(23:21):
to the FBI, which was a setup, by the way,
we know that now, and that began the whole thing.
Next thing, you know, we've got the former head of
the FBI as a special counsel. You know, in his
backgrounds just crazy to what he was part of prior
to when he was at the height of his service
in the US government. But then it became obvious, Wow,
they're not going to allow this guy to govern. And

(23:43):
that really exacerbated the base, all right, and you started
to see things that not make sense. They were almost
dystopian in nature. You would see the president come out
and say one thing, and then something else would happen
in the government. You'd say, he'd come out and do
one thing, and then something else would come out over here,

(24:03):
and you could see the fighting or the resistance from
Trump's movement. Now, obviously there were quite a few successes
during his time really got the economy pumping again, you know,
and I think people had a general sense, Okay, we've
kind of suppressed that, that progressed that hardcore progressivism. We've

(24:28):
got a stalemate on it. And then what we do.
We went into twenty twenty and the fricking wheels fell off.
And when you go and you look now at all
the evidence. We did a show we mentioned a little
bit of election interference taking place, and now we know
that that was all real. And I played a major

(24:50):
you know, I paid attention. And one of the people
that I was just invested in during that time was
Dan Bongino. I mean, that guy covered Russia Gate election,
the twenty twenty election better than anybody I saw on
the net, right everybody was. He was all over that. Really,
twenty seventeen is where I really became invested. And then

(25:14):
you started to see all the other right pundits on
whichever side they were kind of like start to fall
in love. And the twenty twenty was the I think
that was the catalyst for this mag of movement to
really come together under this banner of there is an
internal swamp right and that's where we heard the term

(25:36):
the swamp emerge that there is this thing, and it
does not matter if you're a Republican or Democrat. It's
all about keeping the status quo in the power structure
of Washington, DC. And that became utterly apparent with the
lack of response from the Republican Party at obvious problems

(25:58):
with mail in battle with COVID. I'm still ready for
some hardcore Intel report to come out saying this is
only the greatest pandemic in human history, and we still
don't know where it started, where it went down, how
it emerged. But yet there was a full blown pre

(26:19):
pandemic event called Event to zero one, which took place
in October of twenty nineteen, where they said, by that
time the spread was happening, where they had the Deputy
director of the CIA, heads of corporations, heads of news meeting,
all getting together saying, hey, what happens if there's a pandemic, Well,
we're going to handle it like this. So that started going.

(26:43):
But by then, what according to Mike Benz, the great
Mike Benz, who if you haven't found him, I highly
recommend you go look at all his work he's done
on the industrial censorship complex, and that was the consolidated
effort by the US government to put pressure on social
media companies to suppress conservative voices at the highest level

(27:08):
I for one, which that happened to me as well too,
But I mean it happened to everybody. I mean, this
happened to every major person out there that was was
doing this, who questioned anything that question even questioned. And
what was interesting, this was also the time where I think,
you know traditional liberals, traditional liberals, right, this is the

(27:34):
people like Joe Rogan, the people like you could argue
that who else was a person that came over Robert F.
Kennedy Junior. You had, you know, some of these hardcore
scientists that were silenced, Jay Bodachori Bodachari, doctor Robert Malone, right,

(27:59):
And that's the left used to.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Be that the left used to be aligned with questioning
the elites. You know, It's funny we had, you know,
that Pixar movie Cars playing the other day. There's some
scene in it where the one of the cars goes
and visits to like some organic fuel shop or something,
and it's like run by a hippie car. He's like
an old six you know, sixties boomer guy, and he

(28:22):
starts going like, that's because the big oil companies are
a conspiracy with the government.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Man, they don't want you to know.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
And I'm like, dude, the hippies were like sounded like
a bunch of maga dudes back in the like, back
in the day they were questioned the elite. It's all
about the regular people versus the elites. That's the common thread,
and that was on the left.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I one hundred percent agree, Like who is running? Rogan's
been posting a lot of this in the last few
months as well too. He's showing a video of Hillary
Clinton's campaign speeches back in twenty twelve, And if you
close your eyes, you would say, oh, that's who's running
in the maga park right now in terms of immigration controls,

(29:04):
all of fiscal responsibility, all of this thing, all of
these but when they gain into power and maintain power,
they're just the same as the other stuff. And I
think you're right. I think what's starting to become fundamentally
apparent to the American population as a result of X
being a free speech platform really the only one out

(29:26):
there that you can do it other than your own website,
your own a sub stack I think is doing great.
They've really been able to show that. I think Spotify's
ability to stand behind Joe Rogan and not cancel him
when they tried to cancel him. So there are there
are what rumble, that's right, rumble for sure, rumble I
got on rumble when I got canceled. For sure, you're right.

(29:48):
But so there is this now mechanism to speak your mind.
All right, that's a lot of backstory for you to
understand now what I think this summer and I think
for me, the ultimate catalyst of all this was the
first assassination attempt against Donald Trump, Right, that was the

(30:09):
thing after we watched all of this take place, all
of the persecution, all of the impeachment, all of the trials,
all of these things, and then to watch him be
assassinated or attempted to assassinate him, and the way we
did by that, Ralph Kidd and his inexperience and all

(30:29):
the shortfalls in the tactical planning and all like that
was no internet history, with no online history ever, his
apartment completely cleaned like a professional would clean it. You know,
we hit this moment where it was like it was
a unification at a level we haven't seen right where

(30:52):
Tulci Gabbard is now coming on board, Robert F. Kennedy
juniors on board. You have these people that were kind
of lirual Centrists that are now supporting Joe Rogan interviewing.
You know, you had Greenwald coming out against stuff, Matt Tayev,
Matt Taban, Michael Schallenberger, you know, you know, plus the

(31:13):
pundits on the right got you know, we're out there
hardcore campaigning because they realize the nature. And then the
one that I think really was a major catalyst for
everybody too was Elon Muss coming on the team right
and saying, we are at an existential crisis. If this,
if the hardcore left continues and is able to gain power,

(31:37):
we will it will be irreversible. They will legalize immigration,
they will make twenty million people legal immediately with amnesty,
and we will live in a perpetual blue political environment,
which states they'll get rid of swing states basically. Well,
and that's what we saw that, right, We saw what

(31:59):
twenty thousand, twenty five, thirty thousand Haitians being put into
Ohio there was swing state. Yeah, yeah, they tried to
do Florida like something like four hundred thousand illegals. We're
into Florida. But they lost that in COVID and all
the New Yorkers moved to Florida. You know, you see this,

(32:20):
this this, you know this a union right and it
really was a coalition very similar to the coalition on
the left. Right, and what we see about the coalition
on the left, And this is something I think we
need to be a tuned with as to the predictive
nature when a coalition starts coming apart. Why right? And

(32:44):
what you saw on the left and the lead up right,
you saw all these individual interests starting to eat themselves,
going after themselves. And that's what ultimately has broken the
Democratic Party into a place where they have no idea

(33:05):
like who's going to emerge and take over this. I mean,
Buddha Jedge was pulling pretty high recently. You know, I
think AOC is always out there in the fringe.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
But AOC would crush Buddha Jedge first of all, Oh,
no doubt, There's no doubt.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
It would be close. Oh, I agree. She's much more charismatic,
she's much better on the pulpit. She she knows how
to whip everybody into frenzy. You know, she get a
great speech writer for her in a good political campaign,
and you know she's off to the races, which I think
we'll see for sure. But again, you saw that coalition

(33:44):
break apart, and where how do we know that? We
saw that in mail Hispanic voters and male African American
voters and how they voted for the other side, right,
which was the biggest that we've ever seen. So you
know what I say. So I'm always trying to say,
all right, what are the patterns and behaviors of of

(34:05):
cultures and subcultures, like how does it rise and fall?
What are the connective tissue in there that holds it
together even though they're not one hundred percent on all things?
What is that? And so what I think you know
you have with the mag of movement, the connective tissue
is is really kind of these things. First and foremost,

(34:29):
it was immigration. You have to shut the borders down,
we kill the lot right, build the wall, And that
was a defining uh thing in Trump's first term. That's
what got I'm I'm gonna build the wall. I'm gonna
shut it down. So I think that's huge. That's why
it's such a seminal movement for Trump to come out

(34:50):
of the gate and shut that sucker down, to which
he did. And you know, all props kudos to the
President for that. That's by far, I think the most
successful thing he's been able to do today was to
militarize that section along our southern border. The northern border
is still wide open, by the way. I just saw
a great interview with an investigated journalist on Sean's show

(35:15):
where she said, you know, the northern the cartels have
just moved up north now and they're just producing fetanyl
in the remote or rural areas along the border, and
they're just reversing it because the northern border hasn't been
shut down at all.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Now, do you do you think that the northern border
is going to be harder to get to because I
mean they got to go around like an ocean, you know,
to get through to the northern border to come into
the US. Or do you think no problem, they got it.
They're just gonna switch to borders.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
The way she made it sound was it's easy because
the Canada's visa work applications green you know, not green cars.
I forget what they call it, but it's it's a
lot easier to fly from Mexico into Campanada, uh than
it is America into Canada, like right there, Maybe that's
not right. It's not as difficult obviously to to go

(36:10):
into Canada on a on a tourist visa or whatever
it is. And so that's what they're doing. And then
they're you know, they're they're literally renting out these farm
properties or these urban areas and they're just building a
fentyl lab right there. And so I mean, you know,
they've made so much money that it's ridiculous. Right. Anyways,

(36:32):
go back to that that connective tissue within the Maga movement.
So the border was one he came out and did that. Now,
the other one, which I believe is the initiator, the
igniter of the beginning of the split, was his absolute
promise to end the Russia Ukraine war, right, and to

(36:53):
end to get the hostages back in Israel, and to
end the conflict between uh Israel in the Palace or
the Hamas in Gaza. Those were massive, massive statements, right.
So and then the other one was to rein in spending, right.
That was the whole Elon Musk thing. He's gonna do doge,

(37:15):
He's going to come in, he's gonna just pill for
the waste, fraud and abuse. Right. And then the third one,
I think by far as a result of COVID and
what we learned from those those just the death shots,
what we learned was that the pharmaceutical companies have been
completely manipulating us for as long as we can remember. Right.

(37:40):
And so you had RFK Junior saying, uh, what, we're
gonna come in and we're gonna we're gonna go after them,
and we're gonna we're gonna fix this. We're gonna make
America healthy again. So you had those things, and then
underneath that, right, you had these social kind of issues,
these issues that were that provoked in an intense, guttle reaction,

(38:03):
and in the most significant one was was government corruption.
And then it was ending the magnitude of human trafficking
in pedophilia, right, and how robust that whole system is.
So it was all right, we're gonna we're gonna release

(38:23):
the RFK files, the JFK files, we're gonna get the
bottom of Martin Luther King files, all this stuff. And
then over here we're gonna completely expose the Epstein thing. Now,
the other ones, you know, are kind of like, Okay,
that's kind of cool. We have RFK Junior. That's that's important.
That grabs a lot of attention. People like the reposts

(38:45):
that stuff. But the Epstein one man, this is built
into the consciousness of of of the American public. And
this is and not just for the last four years.
This has been going on since the early two thousand,
since when he was first indicted in Palm Beach County
and I'm you know, I'm I'm from that county, so

(39:06):
you know, it's like, wait, what this guy? And then
he got that sweetheart deal. So and I think this
all relates to another Trump promise. I think it's a
pretty foundational MAGA movement, uh fundamental, which is drained the swamp.
That's right, that's right. That was a huge phrase. That's right.
That's right. In indict Well, he came off that quite

(39:27):
a bit in this last run, like he came off that.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Carain of it, right, Yeah, And you could just see
it just slowly dissolve up to this weekend.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
So it's it's holding people accountable, right, That's that I
think at its core, that's what the American people want,
because if you go back and you know the legacy
of what we represent is we held what we held
uh the British government accountable, right we he and we
held our own society accountable for the atrocity of slavery,

(40:01):
Right we held that accountable. What we were going to
hold accountable, uh, the catastrophe of of of Hitler in
his reign, which then immediately morphed into holding Stylin in
the catastrophe of of of communism accountable, which led into
the Vietnam War, And then what we're going to hold

(40:22):
terrorism accountable? Right? And so there's that.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
You can't. It's a fucking lie, is what it is.
So all right, can I can I coin a term here?
I'm gonna try to coin a term really.

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Speaker 2 (42:03):
My perspective as thirty one year old millennial watching these
things basically my whole way, you know, awake. Political life
is made up of all these insane things. And I'm
gonna say this is the pattern of the Oh no,
wait what movement?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Because think about it.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
You have Oh no, there's there's terrorism in the middle
of Italy, Middle East, there's weapons of mass destructions. We
have to go over there. Wait what there's no weapons
of mass destruction? Like why are we over there?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Why are we in Iraq? And then you have to
oh wait, oh no, there's a huge recession. It's going
to be global, like we got to like clean things up.
And then you're like, wait what, no one went to jail.
They actually got bonuses and nothing changed. And then you
got the Russia gate. Oh no, it looks like Donald
Trump might be a Russian agent. That's terrible. Wait what
you mean it's all like fabricated twenty twenty election. Oh no,

(42:56):
like like Biden one. Wait what there's questions about that
last one? COVID. Oh no, there's a global pandemic. Everybody
like hunkered down, like let's be careful, like what is
this thing? Wait what it's not even that that deadly
hoou she made it, bou, she made it So this
is the oh no, wait what pattern over and over
and over again to the point where it's has broken

(43:18):
all trust in the elites.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
And that's what you're seeing in these people. It's I've
been lied to so many times.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
There's been so many oh no, wait a minute, hold
on moments that you just can't believe anything now.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
One hundred percent, one hundred percent, oh no, wait what.
I love that. That's what we're going to That's how
we're going to call this out from now on, Jordie.
That's brilliant way to it. That's exactly what it is.
And I think what happens as a human being, I
certainly felt this the more and more I began to realize, uh,

(43:50):
you know that that the initiative of what I was
representing on the grounds as a seal, as a military
contractor an intelligence guy working for the talents community, it
was that was pretty much the whole thing. That was
it from day one, which is to say the least
problematic for me emotionally on a grander scale. It pisses

(44:14):
me the fuck off, That's what it does. Because it's like,
you want to profess you're gonna you're gonna whip us
into a frenzy and say, hey, trust me, we're gonna
get after this, and then it doesn't happen. And I think,
you know that's what Russia, Ukraine the One Big Beautiful
Bill which increase you know, six trillion in spending. You know,

(44:39):
you had the Iran Israel thing. We're not starting any
new wars and a lot of people say, well, that
was a strategic strike, and I am all for Iran's
nuclear program being dismantled, but again, to what end and
what happens. I believe a lot of the pundits that
within the next before Trump's out of office, there will
be more strikes on Iran. There'll be an escalation in

(45:03):
that for sure. I just don't know when or how.
And then you know, you got this land sale. We're
gonna sell seven millions. Now, that was a beautiful thing,
you know, Braxton McCoy, once again, you know, God bless
you for leading the charge on this that was taken
out of the One Big Beautiful Bill. They're not going
to sell public lands. I think you know all the
people that got behind that in terms of Sean and

(45:25):
Jocko and all those people that were like Cameron haynes Man,
God bless you. The meat Eater's got all gopy hennings
and really kind of made me feel like, hey, if
we unify as a voice, we can shut this stuff
down right. And then the final the coup de gras
is is the Epstein file and the release and it's

(45:46):
so telling and that that press conference that they showed
and Jordie dropped that in here right now, if you could,
let's watch that.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey? This guy's been talked
about for years? You're asking we have Texas, we have this,
we have all of the things, and are people still
talking about this guy? This creep that is unbelievable. Do
you want to waste the time? And do you feel
like answering?

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (46:18):
First to back up on that, in February, I did
an interview on Fox and it's been getting a lot
of attention because I said, I was asked a question
about the client list, and my response was it's sitting
on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file along
with the JFK MLK.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Files as well. That's what I meant by that.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Also, to the tens of thousands of video they turned
out to be child downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein
child is what they were never going to be released,
never going to see the lighted day to him being
an agent. I have no knowledge about that. We can
get back to you on that. And the minute missing
from the video. We released the video showing definitively the

(47:07):
video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it
was showing he committed suicide. And what was on that
there was a minute that was off the counter. And
what we learned from euro of Prisons was every year,
every night they redo that video as old from like
nineteen ninety nine, So every night the video is reset

(47:30):
and every night should have the same minute missing. So
we're looking for that video to release that as well,
showing that a minute is missing every night. And that's
it on Epstein.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Okay, So if you're like me and you watch Pam
BONDI make that comment and then Trump come out and say,
are we still talking about this guy? Is? We've got
so much other awesome stuff going on, we're still talking
about this Meanwhile? That was one of his core things
he promised, was one of the things that everybody talked about. JFK.

(48:03):
Junior Tulci gabber and then the one, the real insult,
the real thing that just fries me is Cash Betel
and Dan Bongino, Dan Bongino in particular. Now you want
to know a definitive way to lose your credibility. You

(48:24):
spend eight years talking about this and talking about the
depths of this disgusting thing, and then Pam Bondi says,
I have thousands of hours of child okay, who with?
And then also, if there was no blackmail, there was

(48:44):
no whatever, why is Geeslaine Maxwell still in jail? Or
better yet, why does a guy that's completely innocent of
all things, why does he kill himself in jail? We
have reached the nineteen eighty four moment. Basically, it's like, oh,
what you see is not accurate. This is accurate, right

(49:06):
is left? Up is down right, the sky is red
and they're telling you shut up and believe us. And
if that's why there is a MAGA split, now at
what point? And the thing that really is challenging for

(49:28):
me is that a lot of people that I respect
on on both well, there's multiple sides of this. There's
the anti war movement, UH, there's the UH there's the
there's the oligarchury that's taking place. You know, who's getting
fat deals off this. There's the there's the I mean

(49:52):
just there's so many layers to to all of these
things why people are getting upset. But for me, it
was like watching the people that just six months ago
had come together and formulated this great coalition of to
generate this new version of the MAGA movement that was unstoppable.
We saw that by election. I now there is a definitive,

(50:16):
definitive split against these people. You know, just watching the
degradation of Trump and Elon must their relationship right that alone,
to me is unbelievable to watch in real time to
the point where they're calling each other out like little

(50:38):
kids on X. And then you know, Elon gets to
the point where he posts this, well, guess what, Donald
Trump's in those files and you'll never see him. And
then he went on to even say Bannon was in
the Steve Bannon was in the files as well too.
You know, then you have Trump saying, well, you're bad
because I took away the EV thing, and you know,
meanwhile he's like, you take it away, I don't care.

(51:00):
I'm still the most successful ev car maker in the world,
you know, to hell with you, I don't need you,
you know that, and then having that spiral out too
to where you've got Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Candas Owens
and I know, you know a lot of people believe
Candas owns has stepped off the cliff with this and

(51:21):
her stance on all the things that she's she's bringing out.
But you have that group, and then you have this
other group. You've got Hannity Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Jordan Peterson,
Ben Shapiro, right, and you know Dave Rubin that group,
and they're going at each other all day every day now, right,

(51:42):
you know, the James Lindsay's on one side. And then
you've got this other kind of libertarian thing going over here,
which is like, you know what, the Alex Jones, the
Joe Rogan's kind of you know, the I don't know
where Mike Ben's he kind of floats in the middle
of all this just exposed and corruption. But certainly the
hard libertarian is you know, the Dave Smiths, the Scott Horhorn, right,

(52:08):
You've got the Glenn Greenwalds, the cijar and Jetty you
know that are beginning to call out foreign policy issues
that they have with our relationship with Israel. They're calling
out kind of these deals that are being done, you know,
behind closed doors. You know, I think you know, for me,

(52:31):
the place that I pay attention to are are the
guys that are my peers. I pay attention to the
g WATT operators because you know what, I think a
lot of people out there, you know, I think a
lot of people gravitate towards towards our collective group. Right.

(52:55):
They're paying attention to Sean Ryan, He's got one of
the biggest shows in the world. They're paying attention to Jocko,
to Mike Ritlin, They're paying attention to Clay Martin. They're
paying attention to the Doughnut operator and that crew, the
veterans with signs. They're paying attention to the Black Rifle guys.

(53:16):
They're paying attention to the Anti Hero podcast. They're paying
attention to these. Now, why is that? Why do people
seem to gravitate towards you know, us in the way
we evaluate things. And I'll tell you why.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
For me, it's just from my perspective, it's because you
guys have skin in the game. I trust people who
have sacrificed and put themselves at risk for something, for
what they're saying. It's not just words on a TV screen,
even words, it's not words they're reading off a teleprompter.
They have sacrificed and put their own skin in the
game for what they're saying. And I just automatically trust

(53:52):
that more than someone who hasn't whether they're right or wrong,
I just trusted more.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Well, JORDI thank you for saying that. I think you're right.
I think a lot of people feel the same way. Right, there's, uh,
there's some type of trust that emerge from somebody that's
willing to die for something, right, and I think I
think that lends itself to that. Now, on top of that,
you also have you know these guys, uh you know

(54:20):
that were operators man that their whole job was to
decipher intelligence, was to chase down the enemy, was to
evaluate information, uh at every level. And it's not just
the intelligence community that does that. Right, You've got you know,
all these programs internally in d OD where they taught
soft guys how to run their own assets and sources

(54:43):
and some and create their own intel networks like green berets.
That's what they do, man, They they do that for
a living. So there's a tremendous amount of green berets
out there that are are speaking, you know, truth to
all of this stuff based on what evaluating the information
that's available, so they can see it because they've been

(55:03):
trained on it and done it. That's right. Patterns. Now
you take those same guys that did you know, fifteen
twenty years in whatever soft unit, and then they went
over and worked for another five to ten years in
the intelligence world doing it, so you know, and now
you have a whole ration of former agency personnel and others,

(55:26):
you know, the all these whistleblowers that we've seen in
the last five to eight years who are saying, yeah,
this is what's going on internally. So you can't come
out and look at the cameras and look at me
in my face and look at all those around me
and say, guess what, there's nothing to see here. After

(55:49):
we have not just one example, but like years in
years and years of examples of internal government corruption, both
eyes covering for each other, enriching themselves with insider trading
or or lobby the different lobby firms you want to
go down. You want to know who runs a politician,
Look who donates to their campaign, both sides doesn't matter, right.

(56:13):
You also look at corporate donations. Who what what corporation
is in their own their own their area where they
represent their constituents. Right, This is you know, when you
start to understand and recognize patterns, you're able to make
good assumptions. Now, everybody, what happened, And this is what

(56:34):
I want you to be conscientious of, is that who's
ever on the other side of your opinion? You know
what you need to do is you need to see
if they're addressing the substance of the questions, right, right,
that's what you're looking for. You're not looking for the
blatant attacks on character. These people are idiots, or they're dumb,

(56:58):
or they're they're this type the thing, they're this or that,
just calling names. What you want is to see if
they address the accusations, and if so, how and with
what proof? Remember, the burden of proof is not on us,
the American public, to prove all these things. And there's
enough stuff that's been out. I mean the wiki files,

(57:19):
the wikileague files from Julian Assage, I mean just spend
a few days going into that and see what you
how you come out or how about Snowden, right, and
basically coming out and saying, yeah, the NSA has an
active campaign to listen to every single American in the
country at any time they want. They're collecting every piece

(57:41):
of data. You already know that with your phone, right,
you already know that. We know that certain organizations around
the world are using things like Pegasus where you don't
even have to open anything and it populates your phone automatically.
We know that the American government has access signal to
listen to different people. Right. They looked at they were

(58:02):
listening to Tucker Carlson's conversations when he was trying to
set up an interview with Putin. We saw recently Pete
Hegseth's uh internal communications they were they were exposed because
there's somehow a journalist that was connected to that thread.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
So here's my thoughts. Okay, this is the tough one.
All political movements, uh, eventually come to a space where where,
once they've been manipulated to the highest degree, that the

(58:40):
core of these movements starts to you know, not revolt
if you will, but starts to push back heavily. And
I think what you have is you have both political movements.
I mean, I think the left is far more deconstructed now,
like it's been exploded. Right, we're at the precipice of that. Now,

(59:05):
what is that? I think? You know, you have to
evaluate who benefits when a major movement is broken apart, right, well,
the people in control, the people in power, and so
what I want you to do moving forward and what
would most benefit you is not too uh? And I

(59:28):
get this a lot, and I see this a lot,
and I talk to a lot of people, including people
that are involved in these these bringing information, assessing information,
involved in the government. Is people are just at the
point where like, well, what difference does it make? And
I'm going to tell you what difference it makes. It

(59:50):
makes a monumental difference. We are thirty eight trillion dollars
in debt that is unsustainable, and you, you and I
are going to feel the effects. But you know who's
really gonna feel the effects of this. Geordie's new daughter,
and my daughter's and my friend's kids and then their kids.

(01:00:11):
That's who's gonna feel the effects. So as you feel
overwhelmed with all of this and you feel as if
it doesn't matter, they're gonna do it anyways. I just
kind of got to get mine. Well, I can get
mine IgM the IgM mentality. Think about what you're sacrificing.
You're ignoring it because it's too painful, or it's too

(01:00:35):
much to follow, or it's too difficult, or nothing you're
gonna do is gonna make a difference, and you're just
gonna go about your your day life. You're gonna focus
on what you can control, and you're just gonna have
your little world. You are actively participating in whatever we
get in the future, right part of our civic responsibility

(01:00:57):
as people that are American citizens, that we take on
that sovereignty, that that responsibility at the highest possible order,
that we recognize that every day, you know, it's our responsibility.
And the immediate reaction I typically get when I present
that challenge to somebody as yeah, but rut I vote

(01:01:20):
and it doesn't matter no matter who I vote for,
the same outcome happens. Okay, I get that, But what
else could you do? What else? Do you think you
could participate in your school boards or do you could
start funding rallies or actually go out and find somebody,
or start an organization that calls this stuff out, or

(01:01:42):
you know, write an anonymous blog on substack, or start
your own podcast that calls this stuff out, or actually
do the research, get in those files, start paying attention
to these people who their sole mission in life is
to expose the corruption on both sides across the whole board,
whether it's the FED, whether it's the Endless Wars overseas,

(01:02:06):
whether it's the financial system, whatever it might be. If
there's something that gets you, then do the work. Do
the work, investigate it, try and figure out, become that
flashbang of truth yourself. Educate the people around you. Now
I know what you're saying, like, Hey, rut Man, I
already lost three uncles, two cousins, and my brother because

(01:02:30):
I'm at the dinner table at the fourth of July
and I'm slamming my hand down about the bullshit going
on with all this stuff, you know, and I don't
want to destroy my family anymore. It's enough is enough? Yeah,
you can quit for sure, and that's a guarantee that

(01:02:51):
what's gonna happen is what's gonna happen. Or you can
play an active role and at least helping people on
understand the complexities of this, like I try and do now.
A lot of times people are are They ask me
when I'm out there and they go, well, Rut, well,
what do you feel about it? And I'll tell you what.

(01:03:14):
I believe that we should not engage in any more
wars overseas unless it's absolutely necessary, Unless there is an
existential threat to the homeland, an existential threat to our
way of life, an existential threat to our economic system.
Maybe that's it. We should not do that. We're done.

(01:03:35):
We need to circle the wagons and rebuild that if
you will. The other aspect that I firmly believe is
that if you are a pedophile in any way, shape
or form, and you have hurt children, young women, young
boys in any capacity, I don't give a damn what

(01:03:57):
your position is, it is a moral oblos negation to
go after all of those people. Now, you want to
listen to something that will that will make your heart drop? Uh.
There's a guy named Darryl Cooper runs a podcast called
The Martyr Maide. He does a three part series on
the Jeffrey Epstein thing. Go listen to that. It's the

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most scary thing that that pedophilia and and blackmail operations
with pedophilia have been going on UH forever and is
one of the core ways where you can manipulate powerful
people because of their immorality and their inability to say no.

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And then the third one is if you're stealing UH
and from the American people, from my children, and you're
guaranteeing that their future is going to be riddled with
UH financial calamities, UH existential nuclear threats or just a

(01:04:58):
complete breakdown in the system, then you know it's incumbent
upon you to protect the future of your own family.
That's the way I feel about this. So we will
continue to monitor this, we will continue to pay attention
to this, We will continue to call out what we

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think we need to call out. But what we really
our main objective here is to continue to educate you,
to give you greater context of what's taking place, and
to try and give a little bit of opinion based
on my experiences the way I evaluate things in the conversation,

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so with people that I really trust and believe in
order to frame an idea, a concept, or to frame
some hope for you and your family. Thank you very much, God,
bless you,

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