July 14, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives into a packed lineup of political commentary, breaking news, and cultural analysis. The hour opens with weekend reflections and quickly transitions into major national and international developments. A central focus is the New York Times exposé on President Joe Biden’s use of the autopen for issuing pardons, raising serious questions about his awareness and cognitive capacity. Clay and Buck dissect the implications of this report, suggesting internal panic within the Biden administration and a broader lack of transparency from the Department of Justice.
The hosts also explore Donald Trump’s escalating stance on Ukraine, including his support for deploying offensive weapons and Patriot missile systems in response to Vladimir Putin’s actions. This leads to a broader discussion on the evolution of modern drone warfare and its impact on future global conflicts.
A significant portion of the hour is dedicated to the Jeffrey Epstein case, with renewed scrutiny on the FBI’s handling of evidence and speculation about potential blackmail operations. Trump’s Truth Social post defending his team—Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, and Kash Patel—and dismissing the Epstein files as a distraction is analyzed in depth. The hosts debate public skepticism, referencing a poll showing 70% of respondents believe Trump’s team is not being truthful about the Epstein files.
The conversation also touches on immigration enforcement, with criticism of Democratic opposition to law enforcement anonymity during raids, and the cultural significance of the MLB All-Star Game in Atlanta.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Monday edition of The Clay, Travis
and Bucks Sexton Show. Much to discuss from over the weekend.
Mister Clay, I hope you are tanned, ready and rested.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well here are you?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
No, you're not in Florida your Nashville's I don't know.
You can probably still be in Atlanta this afternoon for
the All Star Game festivities. We'll have some fun talking
about that. But I was here all weekend hanging out
with the boys, just having a good time.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
About you, yah ay man.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Just catch it up on some of the things going
on on the interwebs right now, some pretty intense conversations
that are happening involving many of our friends from the
news and commentary side of things, So we can discuss
some of that.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Also, there is now reporting that Donald Trump is going
to be escalating the support that we give to Ukraine
imminently to include offensive weapons and patriot missile system.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Trump is ticked off, you could put it that way.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
He is ticked off at the games that Vladimir Putin
has been playing. He says that Putin's very nice on
the phone calls, but then is doing terrible things at night.
And some fascinating reporting coming out about what modern drone
warfare Clay looks like. We have entered the phase now
where this is it is here, it is no longer
(01:28):
something that is theoretical, and we can discuss some of that.
I think it's a fascinating change in how nation state
level combat is going to be engaged going forward.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Biden and the Auto Pen. I have a feeling Clay
is excited about this one.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Biden and the Auto Pen and the New York Times
over the weekend a little more clean up on asle
Biden going on there, the headline not really not really matching.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Up with some of the story.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And then there's some continued to discussion a little bit
going on out there about transparency and the DOJ and
Epstein and the case and all of the above. So
with all of this in mind, Clay, Oh, we have
also Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia right will be with
us today, yes, talking about all the things Georgia. Also
(02:21):
the All Star the Baseball All Star Game. I do
not think I could name I do not think I
could name a baseball player in the All Star Game
right now. So Japanese fellow, that's right, the Japanese fellow,
I could name him, that's it. So I'm pro Otani
is my guy because he's the only one that I know.
And with that Clay, I've laid out the menu. I
(02:42):
was gonna let you order for where we dive in
first here because there's there's so much to work through,
so much to discuss. To me, first of all, there
was a lot of stuff going on over the weekend,
and we're gonna hit it all. But to me, the
story dropping Sunday night in the New York Times with
Joe Biden surrounding the auto pen and the Pardons. As
(03:07):
I was reading it, I was like, oh man, this
is a really big story, and I don't know how
many people have recognized it yet. But let me just
give you a couple of details that to me give
an indication of how big this story could become. I
didn't realize this, but Joe Biden didn't do an interview
(03:29):
with The New York Times for his entire presidency. I mean, again,
if you were wondering about what they thought about his
cognitive ability. Whatever you want to say about the New
York Times, yes they are oftentimes communists, but the people
that they employ are not morons as writers. These people
are fairly intelligent. And the fact that they hid Biden
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from them for his entire tenure, even though the New
York Times would have been in many ways propaganda for
the Biden regime. Remember, I would say one of the
most consequential articles the New York Times published on the
front page was Biden saying that he was upset with
Merrick Garland's pace and he wanted to see more charges
(04:13):
brought against Trump. That's basically using the New York Times
to be the method by which you give your message.
While then you can say, oh, I never tell my
Attorney general what to say or what to do. Well,
you just did in the New York Times. Like he's
going to read that, he's going to see it. So
the fact that he never did an actual interview is remarkable.
(04:36):
And then I read the interview excerpts, Buck, oh my goodness,
and I would encourage I shared these. We need to
link it at Clay and Buck, I would encourage all
of you to go read the interview excerpts from Biden
trying to explain how they use the auto pen for
all these pardons. That's point one point two the article itself,
(04:58):
it is devastating to the Biden administration, even from the
New York Times. It makes me feel that there is
a full fledged panic inside of the Biden team. And
I would add on more steam here if you are
listening and you are investigating this, Joe Biden had no
idea who was being pardoned. They used the autopen. Even
(05:22):
in the quotes that he gave, he basically indicates that
he didn't really know who was getting pardons. They were
late night pardons. The people that Biden supposedly instructed to
give the pardons didn't even hear it themselves. A third
party called up the autopen people and said, hey, Biden
(05:43):
said this is okay, and then they signed thousands of pardons.
This is a huge, holy crap moment for me. Again,
I understand the autopen has been used before, but when
you read this article the New York Times wrote the
fact that they gave Biden in the interview with them,
there is I think a full fledged panic over potential
(06:05):
criminality relating to the way that these pardons went down.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No one's going to prison for this.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
You really think you really think there's going to be charges?
I mean, come on, really over pardons based on the
Biden he's a vegetable. We know he's a vegetable. They
were running the government without him. Do you think people
are worried about going to jail over this. I think
they're worried about being called to testify because it is
quite clear. I think, even based on this New York
Times article, that Biden had no idea who was getting pardoned. Well,
(06:34):
the New York Times article is supposed to make it
seem like it wasn't that that it wasn't that bad.
I mean, you look at the headline. Right, the headline
of it is that Biden says that he was aware, right,
I mean it's Biden says he made the clemency decisions
that were recorded with auto pen So Biden says that.
But then what you're citing is the details of the
(06:54):
actual reporting. Seems like Biden wasn't really aware. But it's
gonna be enough. They wouldn't have put him. Here's my thought, Buck,
and I'm curious of you.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think putting him on a call with the New
York Times for the first time in five years is
a sign that internally they're starting to panic about this.
And they wanted Biden. You know, first of all, putting
Biden on the call is a sign of desperation, and
the fact that you go read these quotes it actually
to me in many ways, even though the headline doesn't
(07:28):
suggest it, in many ways, it actually is worse for
them than if they had just said, oh, this is
all crazy, like Biden Biden was involved. The fact that
they went through these details actually shows you that he
wasn't really very involved.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
They're trying to give you. The headline doesn't really match
the conclusion you would have from the actual reporting in
the piece, So they want people. What they're doing is
they're putting forward a story to make it seem like
this has been dealt with, and then they want you
to come away with a concl illusion that's not really
an evidence by the facts presented. Right, This is a
(08:04):
it's it's really a pretty effective or a tried and
true propaganda technique.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But I don't think.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Look, I could be wrong on this one, but I
don't think that anyone is worried about criminal charge. I
think there's a lot of embarrassment here for people that
worked around Biden. I think their careers are probably finished.
But what would the charge. You'd have to think the
charge would be like defrauding the American people of their
representatives of representative democracy or something. I mean, what or
(08:32):
you know of their republic. The fact that everybody has
taken the fifth and that they're not lying again. I
understand some people are going to say, what do you
Somebody out there I think may have flipped. This is
my thought, and somebody is going to be a canary
and sing on all the cover up. Just sometimes you
(08:52):
have to want why would he take the fifth? Now, bureaucracy,
they're all going to point fingers, are going to say,
I did a little part of this, and he did
a little part of that attle bit of ancor take
the fifth. Well, it's easy for the doctor to take
the fifth because he can just say I can't speak
about this. No. He could have just said, hey, under hippa,
I can't talk about all this. He was specifically taking
(09:15):
the fifth when he was asked if anyone told him
basically to be involved in a conspiracy about Joe Biden's
overall health. I just look at all these signs. They
tried to run to the New York Times to try
to put this autopen thing to bed, and instead I
think it has blown up and turned into a bigger story.
Now your point, and this is the larger context that
(09:37):
I think everybody out there is so frustrated about across
the board. We have all these people doing all these
illegal things, right, put it in whatever category you want
from it. Nobody gets in trouble all the way through
the entire Biden team, and there are never any.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
There's no account for any Well.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
This is why I don't want anyone getting excited that
like Biden's top advisors are going to prison.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I'm here to tell you they're not okay. So just
Servan's clear.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Like maybe they're a little bit nervous, but that's not
going to We don't want to overpromise and underdeliver. And
with that in mind, Clay, with that in mind, I
do think we should note the Trump truth from over
the weekend on the Epstein situation. Do we want to
get into this? I think we have to get into
this a little bit because Trump, do you lead us off? Yes,
the Epstein people are still fired up and they were
(10:25):
very unhappy at Trump. We got ratioed for the first
time ever on his truth social post with the comments
that he put out. It looks like no one's going anywhere,
Just to be clear, looks like there's no resignations imminent
from anyone in the FBI or the DOJ, Bondi, Bongino, Cash, Betel.
No one's going anywhere. That is the latest reporting. That
(10:45):
is the latest storyline. And here's Donald Trump himself writing
on his truth. What's going on with my boys and
in some cases gals. They're all going after Attorney General
Pam Bondi, who's doing a fantastic job. We're one team
MAGA and I don't like what's happening. We have a
perfect administration, the talk of the world, and selfish people
(11:06):
are trying to hurt it all over over a guy
who never dies Epstein. For years, it's Epstein over and over.
Why are we giving publicity to files written by Obama,
Crooked Hillary Comy Brennan and the losers and criminals of
the Biden administration who conned the world with Russia, Russia, Russia,
Hoax fifty one intelligence agents, the Laptop from Hell and more.
They created the Epstein files just like they created the
(11:28):
fake Hillary Clinton Christopher Steele dossier. They used on me,
and now my so called friends are playing right into
their hands. Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the
Epstein files? Sorry, guys, this is long. It is a
long truth. If there was anything in there that could
have hurt MAGA, why didn't they use it? They haven't
even given up on JFK or MLK files. No matter
how much success we have, et cetera, et cetera. A
(11:50):
lot about success. We're saving our country, making America great again.
The left is imploding cash bet on. The FBI must
be focused on voter fraud Political Corruption Act sorry actblued
the stolen election of twenty twenty, and not on the
inspired documents on Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Let Pam Bondi do her job. She's great, thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Let's keep it that way and not waste time and
energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about. Thank
you for your attention in this matter. Donald J. Trump,
you're a president. That's what he wrote over the weekend.
So yes, just just sharing with you what he wrote.
So looks like there's no all that stuff about I'll
resign if someone else doesn't resign. Doesn't look like that's happening.
So no one's resigning. And I think that the plan
(12:35):
right now is let's talk about trade deals or something.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I don't know. This is what I'm missing something.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I think Trump has let you know that he has
got cash Patel, Dan Bongino, and Pam Bondi's back, that
he doesn't want any of them gone, and that he
likes the team that he has put together. And he
thinks the Epstein entire story is a is a distraction
from things that he thinks are far more significant that
(13:03):
fair characterization of what he said over the weekend. And
so you know, I've we've been trying to thread this
needle of what is true, what we don't know, we know,
the no unknowns, the unknown unknowns. Where we are on
this one and I don't know. I'm happy that at
least there is a robust conversation going on within the movement.
(13:27):
How about that there's a robust discussion that is happening
on the issue.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
But I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I don't have power. You don't have power to do
anything about these files. That's the correct I don't have them.
You don't have them. I haven't seen them.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You haven't seen them. We think people should see them
if they're there. If the people who have them say
they aren't there, what are we going to do about it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
This is where we are left with things, no doubt,
and we'll take some calls. People may feel strongly about this.
Trust some people might, I think, but a couple.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Trump is basically saying, hey, this is a distraction. There's
a lot of other things that I want to focus on,
and we'll take some calls. We'll react to that. Again.
The Governor of Georgia, I think this is significant culturally.
Remember Joe Biden said, Hey, the state of Georgia put
in place Jimmy Eagle laws. They pulled the All Star
Game out of Atlanta over this, and the Governor of
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Georgia has really he's fired up about this. I think
you're going to enjoy what Brian Camp has to say
on this front. At the top of the next hour,
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We're breaking down all of the big weekend News. One
(15:51):
of the things that was said. We talked about Friday show,
dan Bongino not going to work, storming out over anger
associated with Attorney General Pambondi and the communication surrounding the
Epstein related investigations. This is Trump talking about his conversation
with Dan Bongino yesterday. Let's listen.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I did.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I spoke to him today. Dan Bongino, very good guy.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I've done him a long time.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I've done his show many many times, and he sounded terrific.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Actually, no, I think he's in good shack.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So it sounds like we'll find out again. We'll update
you as we learn more. It sounds like the team
is basically staying together and Trump is saying, hey, and
maybe we need to talk about this a bit more.
Trump is saying, hey, there's nothing here. Roger Stone talked
over the weekend Buck. Maybe we can play this. I
(16:54):
just sent it into the team. Roger Stone obviously very
connected with a do we have time? Let's play this.
Roger Stone says, hey, I think all the docks got destroyed.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Listen when Cash Patel, our FBI director, tells us that
there are no records, even though we know and we
saw with our own eyes that DVDs and hard drives
were taken from Epstein's home in both New York, his
ranch in New Mexico, and his island. He's telling us
(17:27):
the truth. That's because I believe that evidence was destroyed
by Christopher Ray and the Biden Justice Department.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Okay, so we'll talk about this when we come back.
I think that's an interesting theory. They're telling you the truth.
There is nothing here. What do you do if that
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Sexton on the front lines of truth. So I would
like to spend some time today with all of you
talking about how to avoid getting deeper and deeper into
Ukraine and the possibility of Russian nuclear exchange, which we
have been worried about for a long time, and I
(19:03):
think there's some concern to be had here.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I also want to talk about immigration.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And the raids and what's going on with that, and
particularly what it says that you have democrats opposing law
enforcement being able to shield their identities during these raids,
and what that says about our society. But I will
lay this out first, because Clay and I keep talking
about it. It will not surprise any of you, I think,
(19:27):
to know that every phone call, rather every line is
currently lit and everyone wants to talk to us more
about Epstein, and that our inbox is currently flooded with
more conversation, are more thoughts about Epstein, And here's where
I am on this. We're going to continue to follow
(19:48):
this as we can as there are new developments right now.
Here's where we stand or here's where the situation stands.
It does not look like there will be any senior
level firing or resignation from the Department of Justice. Keep
in mind, the FBI director is actually a subordinate employee
to the Attorney General. I think people lost that a
little bit in this conversation. So there is a chain
(20:09):
of command issue here. And technically Dan Bongino is as
deputy obviously a suborted employee to the FBI director as well,
So there is a chain of command. And it's not
like the FBI director can say, hey, I want to
fire the attorney general. This is purely a presidential prerogative
of President Trump. President Trump put out that long I
(20:30):
didn't even read the whole thing to you, because we're
going to run into a commercial break a long truth
over the weekend, and he's saying he loves the people
who are in charge of this so far. You know,
he loves them as people. I'm not saying he loves
everything that they've done, but he backs them one hundred percent,
and it's time to move on to more important things.
I think that's going to be an unsatisfactory answer to
(20:51):
a lot of people, and I understand why that is
an unsatisfactory response to a lot of people. The challenge
we have right now is I don't have I don't
know how to Clay advance this story beyond things we've
already said here, which is I still believe, and I've
said this from day one, and I said this the
moment the memo was released publicly that Epstein was involved
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in blackmail operations.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I still believe that there is the possibility.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
That Epstein had not just contact, but perhaps even was
acting as an agent of Now keep in mind, Clay,
this sounds like a minor distinction, but I don't think
it is. When someone says, for example, they're a CIA agent,
that's usually a huge tell that they have no idea
what they're talking about. Because if you work for the CIA,
you are a CIA officer. But if you are working
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on behalf of then you are an agent of Right,
So this is in spy talk, when someone is your agent,
they are actually working to bring you information, espionage, etc.
So when someone says that he may be an agent of,
I mean, it's one thing to say that Epstein was
an employee of a foreign intelligence organization. It would be
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which would be an officer of. It's another thing to
say he was an agent of, meaning he had contact with,
was feeding information too, was perhaps involved in a blackmail
s game, whatever it may be. Right, So though that
that is an important distinction because that is how intel
agencies all around the world work. There's you are an
employee of, and there is you are working on behalf of,
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not the same thing. Espionage is all based upon that
officer agent relationship, no matter where you are. So that's
that's one part of this. So I still believe that's possible.
The challenge we have right now is there's information that
I haven't seen that Clay hasn't seen. We were told
it would be. And I promise you I want to
I want to get into some of the news of
the day stuff here in a second, but I just
want us to be very clear and Clay, I'm going
(22:42):
to hand this to you to make sure that I
didn't misrepresent or leave anything out. The challenge here is
I haven't seen what the FBI fully has UH and
the DEOJ it's really DJ. We shouldn't say what the
DJ has. Clay hasn't seen it. We have no access
to it. The people who do say that there is
no nothing that should be released. Additionally, right now that
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is in the public interest. Now do we believe Clay
or do people believe that Trump, Patel, Bongino, and Bondi
are lying about this? That's really I don't know where
else we are. You know, we can either say that
we think these people are honest and and there is
a degree of public faith in them, even though there
(23:26):
have been pr screw ups on this, which I think
there was over promising of the transparency.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
There's no question. But at this point it's who is lying?
Who is lying about this?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Is what I want to know. Who who is the
one who is lying? I won't say because I don't know,
and I don't believe that any of these people are
specifically in a position where they should be accused of
being the one who is not honest in this. I mean,
because obviously the stakes are very high, and that's what
I see what am I missing?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Or how do you see it?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I would say that in the Trump base there have
been three issues where I would say people have gotten
really in disagreement. Right Like Democrats right now attack Trump
for trying to deport people. Most Trump voters want everybody
to be It's like they're doing advertisements for Trump every time.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
They're like, look at all these illegals being deported, like yes,
more yes.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So I think that is something where most of you
out there would say, yeah, we agree with this, Okay.
So there's a wide spectrum of political belief. Some people
are big RFK maha mom listeners right now right there
is actually a big tent. I would say, in my experience,
I'm curious if you would sign off on this. The
biggest discrepancy that I have seen. And I know you
(24:42):
felt this even in the Republican Party, even in Trump
supporters in the early days when you and I were
like open up everything, like we've got to get back,
we can't shut down for COVID, people were mad at us.
Inside even of the Trump tent, right, there were a
lot of people out there that were like, you're crazy.
Do you remember Tucker Carlson back in the day, got
in a car, drove to mar A Lago and convinced
(25:04):
Trump to shut down the whole country like it was horrible,
Which was a horrible decision, but it was made in
good faith. But it was a very bad decision. Yes,
I think Trump was wrong on COVID March April May
of twenty twenty. And I've said that for a long time.
And then I think he worked his way towards opening
the country back up. I think he listened to file
chie Burks. The reason why I'm going back in time
(25:25):
is it was incredibly contentious to say what you said.
I remember when you were like, hey, we need to
open everything up by Easter, and everybody called you thanos right,
They said you wanted half of people all day.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
That that was the line I got.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I got ratioed harder for wanting the country to be
back open normal by Easter than I've ever been online
in my entire life.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yes, that is what happened.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And when I was already I was right by the way,
and I should have tripled and quadrupled down, but I
was like overwhelmed by the swarm, by the hive mind
when I said, hey, we got to play sports. We
got to open schools back up, we got to play
football on my sports show. I mean, I was attacked
like never before. And frankly, I think the vast majority
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of people, including many Trump supporters, thought that I was
crazy and a moron and couldn't believe that was the
argument I was gonna make. The reason I'm using this
as a backdrop is there was a wide variety of
opinions and a lot of people disagreed with what you
and I said. Then DeSantis versus Trump, DeSantis versus Trump.
Now everybody forgets about it. But on this show, it
was nasty if we said anything positive about DeSantis as
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the governor. Some of the Trump people were angry if
we said anything positive about Trump. Some of the DeSantis
people were angry. In the mentions, it was nasty. Now
they're best buds, they're hugging. Everybody's back to being on
Tree told everybody would happen, by the way, and we
were getting scoffed at then.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But that is where it went.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Where I would say now is the Epstein stuff is nasty, uh,
And I mean the reaction to it, right, So I
think ultimately this comes down to one big question okay,
either you believe. And I put up a poll question
on this, and I think it was like seventy thirty.
I'm just going to be transparent. I don't know that
that's reflective of this audience necessarily, but buck, I put
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up a poll question, do you believe that Trump, Bondi, Bongino,
and Cash Patel that quad are lying about the Bongino files.
Seventy percent of you in that poll said that you did.
And there's like forty some odd thousand people voting, Oh,
seventy percent. I think they're lying. I think they're lying.
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I don't doesn't there's nothing wrong with disagreeing. I am
telling you. I don't think Trump took a bullet, nearly
got bankrupted, was facing prison in life so that he
could become president again and cover for cover for Epstein.
I think what Roger Stone said may very well be
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true if there had been evidence inside of the government
files of wrongdoing. I don't think it exists now. So
I understand this may be a minority opinion for everybody
out there listening. I do not believe Trump, Bondi, Bongino,
and Cash Betel are lying. I just don't can I
so I some of you have probably seen this. I
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was on my friend Sean Ryan's show, I think in
twenty twenty two, and the one clip that went quite
viral from that was when I described the absurd situation
of the FBI's search of the sixty million dollar townhouse
on the upper east side of Epstein in twenty nineteen,
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where the FBI broke in and found these They broke
I mean when I say broke in, they obviously did
a you know, subpoenut search. But they went in and
they broke into a safe that was hidden in a wall,
and they did not take nor safeguard that information. All right,
this is all public record, This is court record. This
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is not you know, you notice. I want to speak
about what we know, not what I think. What I
think is there was a blackmail operation going on. What
I think is that Epstein certainly offered this to foreign intelligence.
But I don't know that. I can't prove that, so
I don't go down that pathway too far. I leave
open the possibility of new evidence. But what I do know, Clay,
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is that the FBI had access to stuff in a safe,
and then they left it there, and then they came
back and it was gone, it was gone again. You
can check this in the court record now they say
that they then the FBI reached out to the Epstein
estate attorney who said, oh, I have all that stuff
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or I took that stuff or something like that. I'll
bring it back to you, no problem. Well, gee, everybody, now,
now it seems what the story is is that, say,
the tapes or rather the things that are sort of
you know, the media information that's out there is that
that stuff was entirely child pornography downloaded off of the internet.
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That doesn't actually go to the specifics of the ring,
the blackmail ring, the case, right, it's just illegal stuff
that'll get you. It's aintal, heinous and demonic and I'll
get you locked up for the rest of your life.
But it doesn't go to the is that really credible
though he's keeping that stuff, of all the things he's doing,
he's keeping that stuff in a locked safe in his wall,
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and not the you know, and how can we know?
My point here at being that was twenty nineteen, that
information was out of FBI custody by the FBI's own admission,
and brought back at a later time. Does it strike
anybody as impossible that maybe different information, you know, that
certain things could have been removed or certain things could
have been changed on those tapes at some point in time.
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I mean, this is where I say, wasn't an FBI
custody right, So, but that doesn't mean that Cash and
Dan are in on it, right.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
This is the point.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
What they have is not necessarily what existed. It's about
what they can prove, not what they can think. And
that's one hundred percent right. Six years ago now, Epstein
killed himself this investigation. We haven't even talked much about
Epstein on this show. Candidly, I haven't spent much time
on the Epstein story period because I was doing sports.
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Like I bet if you went back through the transcripts,
the amount of time we spent on Epstein on this
show is minimal because by the time we took this
show over, he was dead. You know, we've talked about
it occasionally as different little revelations have come out. This
thing started in two thousand and five. I don't know
that most people have really dove into this. The question
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that I have is what did Acosta, who was the
prosecutor in South Florida who signed off on this sweetheart
deal all the way back in eight What did he
actually uncover in that initial investigation, because I think they
buried a lot of stuff after that.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
But this is.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Twenty years ago now that this investigation started. George W.
Bush was president when the Epstein investigations. So I do
I think we've I think we have updated this to
where we are right now. I would like to Clay,
if you're good with it, cover the news that is
out there today. The story is far more significant to
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the country and Russia escalation, which also goes right to
Trump campaign promises and right to Maga and everything. I
think the Russia stuff is actually I mean the Russia
war stuff, not Russia collusion.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Obviously.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think it's a big deal, and I think that
we shouldn't take our eye off this. We're also watching
the Epstein thing. We will continue to read your emails,
We'll continue to take calls if you want, but in
terms of topics selection because we're also getting people who
are saying guys like, okay, we get it, We've talked
like you, I can't do any more. Right When Trump
is saying this is where it is right now, he's
the commander in chief. He has the final say I
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can't release more information, and this is where it is
right now. So we'll hear from you on this. We'll
continue to follow this, but for right now, I don't
think there's a way to move this story downfield or
rather to get more transparency or get more openness on
this other than just a lot of people going with
what they think. But what they think is not going
to do. We're talking about criminal charters, we're talking about
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huge consequences. What you think is not enough, you gotta
have You got to be able to prove these things,
and you have an obligation to say what you can
prove in some of these instances and not just throw
wild stuff out there, which I'm seeing a lot of.
And by the way, statute to limitations also apply. Some
of this stuff is twenty years old now. I mean
that's it's really hard to bring charges.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
It's just hard to prove in general. I mean it's hard.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
That's why there is a statute limitation on some things,
not on all things. Some of these crimes there's no statute.
But anyway, we'll take calls, we'll get into this, we'll
come back to it.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
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some steaks. That's right. We've got Carrie's dad in town.
He's an airline pilot, as.
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You know, former Fateen pilot, naval aviator, top gun program NBD.
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of the show. Pat from a Long Island, what you
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got for us.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Today?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Hey. I was just I've spoken to Greg and I
was just saying, how I think the f scene there's
something there, but we're never going to find out what
it is. And it goes to a bigger picture, in
my opinion, of there never being accountability for anything. What
happened to the Twitter files, all those hearings, all of
those people sitting in front of important people getting asked questions,
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and everyone's indignant because they're lying. Where is the accountability?
There's never accountability.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I get it, and I appreciate you because Buck, we've
hammered this. The only people, it seems to ever get
held accountable are the guys and gals who actually walked
inside of the Capitol on jan six. They got pursued
to the ends of the earth. Everybody else just basically
gets away with everything. Governor next
Welcome everybody to the Monday edition of The Clay, Travis
and Bucks Sexton Show. Much to discuss from over the weekend.
Mister Clay, I hope you are tanned, ready and rested.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well here are you?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
No, you're not in Florida your Nashville's I don't know.
You can probably still be in Atlanta this afternoon for
the All Star Game festivities. We'll have some fun talking
about that. But I was here all weekend hanging out
with the boys, just having a good time.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
About you, yah ay man.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Just catch it up on some of the things going
on on the interwebs right now, some pretty intense conversations
that are happening involving many of our friends from the
news and commentary side of things, So we can discuss
some of that.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Also, there is now reporting that Donald Trump is going
to be escalating the support that we give to Ukraine
imminently to include offensive weapons and patriot missile system.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Trump is ticked off, you could put it that way.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
He is ticked off at the games that Vladimir Putin
has been playing. He says that Putin's very nice on
the phone calls, but then is doing terrible things at night.
And some fascinating reporting coming out about what modern drone
warfare Clay looks like. We have entered the phase now
where this is it is here, it is no longer
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something that is theoretical, and we can discuss some of that.
I think it's a fascinating change in how nation state
level combat is going to be engaged going forward.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Biden and the Auto Pen. I have a feeling Clay
is excited about this one.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Biden and the Auto Pen and the New York Times
over the weekend a little more clean up on asle
Biden going on there, the headline not really not really matching.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Up with some of the story.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And then there's some continued to discussion a little bit
going on out there about transparency and the DOJ and
Epstein and the case and all of the above. So
with all of this in mind, Clay, Oh, we have
also Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia right will be with
us today, yes, talking about all the things Georgia. Also
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the All Star the Baseball All Star Game. I do
not think I could name I do not think I
could name a baseball player in the All Star Game
right now. So Japanese fellow, that's right, the Japanese fellow,
I could name him, that's it. So I'm pro Otani
is my guy because he's the only one that I know.
And with that Clay, I've laid out the menu. I
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was gonna let you order for where we dive in
first here because there's there's so much to work through,
so much to discuss. To me, first of all, there
was a lot of stuff going on over the weekend,
and we're gonna hit it all. But to me, the
story dropping Sunday night in the New York Times with
Joe Biden surrounding the auto pen and the Pardons. As
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I was reading it, I was like, oh man, this
is a really big story, and I don't know how
many people have recognized it yet. But let me just
give you a couple of details that to me give
an indication of how big this story could become. I
didn't realize this, but Joe Biden didn't do an interview
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with The New York Times for his entire presidency. I mean, again,
if you were wondering about what they thought about his
cognitive ability. Whatever you want to say about the New
York Times, yes they are oftentimes communists, but the people
that they employ are not morons as writers. These people
are fairly intelligent. And the fact that they hid Biden
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from them for his entire tenure, even though the New
York Times would have been in many ways propaganda for
the Biden regime. Remember, I would say one of the
most consequential articles the New York Times published on the
front page was Biden saying that he was upset with
Merrick Garland's pace and he wanted to see more charges
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brought against Trump. That's basically using the New York Times
to be the method by which you give your message.
While then you can say, oh, I never tell my
Attorney general what to say or what to do. Well,
you just did in the New York Times. Like he's
going to read that, he's going to see it. So
the fact that he never did an actual interview is remarkable.
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And then I read the interview excerpts, Buck, oh my goodness,
and I would encourage I shared these. We need to
link it at Clay and Buck, I would encourage all
of you to go read the interview excerpts from Biden
trying to explain how they use the auto pen for
all these pardons. That's point one point two the article itself,
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it is devastating to the Biden administration, even from the
New York Times. It makes me feel that there is
a full fledged panic inside of the Biden team. And
I would add on more steam here if you are
listening and you are investigating this, Joe Biden had no
idea who was being pardoned. They used the autopen. Even
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in the quotes that he gave, he basically indicates that
he didn't really know who was getting pardons. They were
late night pardons. The people that Biden supposedly instructed to
give the pardons didn't even hear it themselves. A third
party called up the autopen people and said, hey, Biden
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said this is okay, and then they signed thousands of pardons.
This is a huge, holy crap moment for me. Again,
I understand the autopen has been used before, but when
you read this article the New York Times wrote the
fact that they gave Biden in the interview with them,
there is I think a full fledged panic over potential
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criminality relating to the way that these pardons went down.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No one's going to prison for this.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
You really think you really think there's going to be charges?
I mean, come on, really over pardons based on the
Biden he's a vegetable. We know he's a vegetable. They
were running the government without him. Do you think people
are worried about going to jail over this. I think
they're worried about being called to testify because it is
quite clear. I think, even based on this New York
Times article, that Biden had no idea who was getting pardoned. Well,
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the New York Times article is supposed to make it
seem like it wasn't that that it wasn't that bad.
I mean, you look at the headline. Right, the headline
of it is that Biden says that he was aware, right,
I mean it's Biden says he made the clemency decisions
that were recorded with auto pen So Biden says that.
But then what you're citing is the details of the
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actual reporting. Seems like Biden wasn't really aware. But it's
gonna be enough. They wouldn't have put him. Here's my thought, Buck,
and I'm curious of you.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think putting him on a call with the New
York Times for the first time in five years is
a sign that internally they're starting to panic about this.
And they wanted Biden. You know, first of all, putting
Biden on the call is a sign of desperation, and
the fact that you go read these quotes it actually
to me in many ways, even though the headline doesn't
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suggest it, in many ways, it actually is worse for
them than if they had just said, oh, this is
all crazy, like Biden Biden was involved. The fact that
they went through these details actually shows you that he
wasn't really very involved.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
They're trying to give you. The headline doesn't really match
the conclusion you would have from the actual reporting in
the piece, So they want people. What they're doing is
they're putting forward a story to make it seem like
this has been dealt with, and then they want you
to come away with a concl illusion that's not really
an evidence by the facts presented. Right, This is a
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it's it's really a pretty effective or a tried and
true propaganda technique.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But I don't think.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Look, I could be wrong on this one, but I
don't think that anyone is worried about criminal charge. I
think there's a lot of embarrassment here for people that
worked around Biden. I think their careers are probably finished.
But what would the charge. You'd have to think the
charge would be like defrauding the American people of their
representatives of representative democracy or something. I mean, what or
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you know of their republic. The fact that everybody has
taken the fifth and that they're not lying again. I
understand some people are going to say, what do you
Somebody out there I think may have flipped. This is
my thought, and somebody is going to be a canary
and sing on all the cover up. Just sometimes you
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have to want why would he take the fifth? Now, bureaucracy,
they're all going to point fingers, are going to say,
I did a little part of this, and he did
a little part of that attle bit of ancor take
the fifth. Well, it's easy for the doctor to take
the fifth because he can just say I can't speak
about this. No. He could have just said, hey, under hippa,
I can't talk about all this. He was specifically taking
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the fifth when he was asked if anyone told him
basically to be involved in a conspiracy about Joe Biden's
overall health. I just look at all these signs. They
tried to run to the New York Times to try
to put this autopen thing to bed, and instead I
think it has blown up and turned into a bigger story.
Now your point, and this is the larger context that
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I think everybody out there is so frustrated about across
the board. We have all these people doing all these
illegal things, right, put it in whatever category you want
from it. Nobody gets in trouble all the way through
the entire Biden team, and there are never any.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
There's no account for any Well.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
This is why I don't want anyone getting excited that
like Biden's top advisors are going to prison.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I'm here to tell you they're not okay. So just
Servan's clear.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Like maybe they're a little bit nervous, but that's not
going to We don't want to overpromise and underdeliver. And
with that in mind, Clay, with that in mind, I
do think we should note the Trump truth from over
the weekend on the Epstein situation. Do we want to
get into this? I think we have to get into
this a little bit because Trump, do you lead us off? Yes,
the Epstein people are still fired up and they were
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very unhappy at Trump. We got ratioed for the first
time ever on his truth social post with the comments
that he put out. It looks like no one's going anywhere,
Just to be clear, looks like there's no resignations imminent
from anyone in the FBI or the DOJ, Bondi, Bongino, Cash, Betel.
No one's going anywhere. That is the latest reporting. That
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is the latest storyline. And here's Donald Trump himself writing
on his truth. What's going on with my boys and
in some cases gals. They're all going after Attorney General
Pam Bondi, who's doing a fantastic job. We're one team
MAGA and I don't like what's happening. We have a
perfect administration, the talk of the world, and selfish people
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are trying to hurt it all over over a guy
who never dies Epstein. For years, it's Epstein over and over.
Why are we giving publicity to files written by Obama,
Crooked Hillary Comy Brennan and the losers and criminals of
the Biden administration who conned the world with Russia, Russia, Russia,
Hoax fifty one intelligence agents, the Laptop from Hell and more.
They created the Epstein files just like they created the
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fake Hillary Clinton Christopher Steele dossier. They used on me,
and now my so called friends are playing right into
their hands. Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the
Epstein files? Sorry, guys, this is long. It is a
long truth. If there was anything in there that could
have hurt MAGA, why didn't they use it? They haven't
even given up on JFK or MLK files. No matter
how much success we have, et cetera, et cetera. A
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lot about success. We're saving our country, making America great again.
The left is imploding cash bet on. The FBI must
be focused on voter fraud Political Corruption Act sorry actblued
the stolen election of twenty twenty, and not on the
inspired documents on Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Let Pam Bondi do her job. She's great, thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Let's keep it that way and not waste time and
energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about. Thank
you for your attention in this matter. Donald J. Trump,
you're a president. That's what he wrote over the weekend.
So yes, just just sharing with you what he wrote.
So looks like there's no all that stuff about I'll
resign if someone else doesn't resign. Doesn't look like that's happening.
So no one's resigning. And I think that the plan
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right now is let's talk about trade deals or something.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I don't know. This is what I'm missing something.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I think Trump has let you know that he has
got cash Patel, Dan Bongino, and Pam Bondi's back, that
he doesn't want any of them gone, and that he
likes the team that he has put together. And he
thinks the Epstein entire story is a is a distraction
from things that he thinks are far more significant that
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fair characterization of what he said over the weekend. And
so you know, I've we've been trying to thread this
needle of what is true, what we don't know, we know,
the no unknowns, the unknown unknowns. Where we are on
this one and I don't know. I'm happy that at
least there is a robust conversation going on within the movement.
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How about that there's a robust discussion that is happening
on the issue.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
But I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I don't have power. You don't have power to do
anything about these files. That's the correct I don't have them.
You don't have them. I haven't seen them.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You haven't seen them. We think people should see them
if they're there. If the people who have them say
they aren't there, what are we going to do about it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
This is where we are left with things, no doubt,
and we'll take some calls. People may feel strongly about this.
Trust some people might, I think, but a couple.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Trump is basically saying, hey, this is a distraction. There's
a lot of other things that I want to focus on,
and we'll take some calls. We'll react to that. Again.
The Governor of Georgia, I think this is significant culturally.
Remember Joe Biden said, Hey, the state of Georgia put
in place Jimmy Eagle laws. They pulled the All Star
Game out of Atlanta over this, and the Governor of
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Georgia has really he's fired up about this. I think
you're going to enjoy what Brian Camp has to say
on this front. At the top of the next hour,
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We're breaking down all of the big weekend News. One
(15:51):
of the things that was said. We talked about Friday show,
dan Bongino not going to work, storming out over anger
associated with Attorney General Pambondi and the communication surrounding the
Epstein related investigations. This is Trump talking about his conversation
with Dan Bongino yesterday. Let's listen.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I did.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I spoke to him today. Dan Bongino, very good guy.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I've done him a long time.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I've done his show many many times, and he sounded terrific.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Actually, no, I think he's in good shack.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So it sounds like we'll find out again. We'll update
you as we learn more. It sounds like the team
is basically staying together and Trump is saying, hey, and
maybe we need to talk about this a bit more.
Trump is saying, hey, there's nothing here. Roger Stone talked
over the weekend Buck. Maybe we can play this. I
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just sent it into the team. Roger Stone obviously very
connected with a do we have time? Let's play this.
Roger Stone says, hey, I think all the docks got destroyed.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Listen when Cash Patel, our FBI director, tells us that
there are no records, even though we know and we
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by Christopher Ray and the Biden Justice Department.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Okay, so we'll talk about this when we come back.
I think that's an interesting theory. They're telling you the truth.
There is nothing here. What do you do if that
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Sexton on the front lines of truth. So I would
like to spend some time today with all of you
talking about how to avoid getting deeper and deeper into
Ukraine and the possibility of Russian nuclear exchange, which we
have been worried about for a long time, and I
(19:03):
think there's some concern to be had here.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I also want to talk about immigration.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And the raids and what's going on with that, and
particularly what it says that you have democrats opposing law
enforcement being able to shield their identities during these raids,
and what that says about our society. But I will
lay this out first, because Clay and I keep talking
about it. It will not surprise any of you, I think,
(19:27):
to know that every phone call, rather every line is
currently lit and everyone wants to talk to us more
about Epstein, and that our inbox is currently flooded with
more conversation, are more thoughts about Epstein, And here's where
I am on this. We're going to continue to follow
(19:48):
this as we can as there are new developments right now.
Here's where we stand or here's where the situation stands.
It does not look like there will be any senior
level firing or resignation from the Department of Justice. Keep
in mind, the FBI director is actually a subordinate employee
to the Attorney General. I think people lost that a
little bit in this conversation. So there is a chain
(20:09):
of command issue here. And technically Dan Bongino is as
deputy obviously a suborted employee to the FBI director as well,
So there is a chain of command. And it's not
like the FBI director can say, hey, I want to
fire the attorney general. This is purely a presidential prerogative
of President Trump. President Trump put out that long I
(20:30):
didn't even read the whole thing to you, because we're
going to run into a commercial break a long truth
over the weekend, and he's saying he loves the people
who are in charge of this so far. You know,
he loves them as people. I'm not saying he loves
everything that they've done, but he backs them one hundred percent,
and it's time to move on to more important things.
I think that's going to be an unsatisfactory answer to
(20:51):
a lot of people, and I understand why that is
an unsatisfactory response to a lot of people. The challenge
we have right now is I don't have I don't
know how to Clay advance this story beyond things we've
already said here, which is I still believe, and I've
said this from day one, and I said this the
moment the memo was released publicly that Epstein was involved
(21:14):
in blackmail operations.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I still believe that there is the possibility.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
That Epstein had not just contact, but perhaps even was
acting as an agent of Now keep in mind, Clay,
this sounds like a minor distinction, but I don't think
it is. When someone says, for example, they're a CIA agent,
that's usually a huge tell that they have no idea
what they're talking about. Because if you work for the CIA,
you are a CIA officer. But if you are working
(21:39):
on behalf of then you are an agent of Right,
So this is in spy talk, when someone is your agent,
they are actually working to bring you information, espionage, etc.
So when someone says that he may be an agent of,
I mean, it's one thing to say that Epstein was
an employee of a foreign intelligence organization. It would be
(22:00):
which would be an officer of. It's another thing to
say he was an agent of, meaning he had contact with,
was feeding information too, was perhaps involved in a blackmail
s game, whatever it may be. Right, So though that
that is an important distinction because that is how intel
agencies all around the world work. There's you are an
employee of, and there is you are working on behalf of,
(22:20):
not the same thing. Espionage is all based upon that
officer agent relationship, no matter where you are. So that's
that's one part of this. So I still believe that's possible.
The challenge we have right now is there's information that
I haven't seen that Clay hasn't seen. We were told
it would be. And I promise you I want to
I want to get into some of the news of
the day stuff here in a second, but I just
want us to be very clear and Clay, I'm going
(22:42):
to hand this to you to make sure that I
didn't misrepresent or leave anything out. The challenge here is
I haven't seen what the FBI fully has UH and
the DEOJ it's really DJ. We shouldn't say what the
DJ has. Clay hasn't seen it. We have no access
to it. The people who do say that there is
no nothing that should be released. Additionally, right now that
(23:04):
is in the public interest. Now do we believe Clay
or do people believe that Trump, Patel, Bongino, and Bondi
are lying about this? That's really I don't know where
else we are. You know, we can either say that
we think these people are honest and and there is
a degree of public faith in them, even though there
(23:26):
have been pr screw ups on this, which I think
there was over promising of the transparency.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
There's no question. But at this point it's who is lying?
Who is lying about this?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Is what I want to know. Who who is the
one who is lying? I won't say because I don't know,
and I don't believe that any of these people are
specifically in a position where they should be accused of
being the one who is not honest in this. I mean,
because obviously the stakes are very high, and that's what
I see what am I missing?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Or how do you see it?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I would say that in the Trump base there have
been three issues where I would say people have gotten
really in disagreement. Right Like Democrats right now attack Trump
for trying to deport people. Most Trump voters want everybody
to be It's like they're doing advertisements for Trump every time.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
They're like, look at all these illegals being deported, like yes,
more yes.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So I think that is something where most of you
out there would say, yeah, we agree with this, Okay.
So there's a wide spectrum of political belief. Some people
are big RFK maha mom listeners right now right there
is actually a big tent. I would say, in my experience,
I'm curious if you would sign off on this. The
biggest discrepancy that I have seen. And I know you
(24:42):
felt this even in the Republican Party, even in Trump
supporters in the early days when you and I were
like open up everything, like we've got to get back,
we can't shut down for COVID, people were mad at us.
Inside even of the Trump tent, right, there were a
lot of people out there that were like, you're crazy.
Do you remember Tucker Carlson back in the day, got
in a car, drove to mar A Lago and convinced
(25:04):
Trump to shut down the whole country like it was horrible,
Which was a horrible decision, but it was made in
good faith. But it was a very bad decision. Yes,
I think Trump was wrong on COVID March April May
of twenty twenty. And I've said that for a long time.
And then I think he worked his way towards opening
the country back up. I think he listened to file
chie Burks. The reason why I'm going back in time
(25:25):
is it was incredibly contentious to say what you said.
I remember when you were like, hey, we need to
open everything up by Easter, and everybody called you thanos right,
They said you wanted half of people all day.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
That that was the line I got.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I got ratioed harder for wanting the country to be
back open normal by Easter than I've ever been online
in my entire life.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yes, that is what happened.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And when I was already I was right by the way,
and I should have tripled and quadrupled down, but I
was like overwhelmed by the swarm, by the hive mind
when I said, hey, we got to play sports. We
got to open schools back up, we got to play
football on my sports show. I mean, I was attacked
like never before. And frankly, I think the vast majority
(26:05):
of people, including many Trump supporters, thought that I was
crazy and a moron and couldn't believe that was the
argument I was gonna make. The reason I'm using this
as a backdrop is there was a wide variety of
opinions and a lot of people disagreed with what you
and I said. Then DeSantis versus Trump, DeSantis versus Trump.
Now everybody forgets about it. But on this show, it
was nasty if we said anything positive about DeSantis as
(26:28):
the governor. Some of the Trump people were angry if
we said anything positive about Trump. Some of the DeSantis
people were angry. In the mentions, it was nasty. Now
they're best buds, they're hugging. Everybody's back to being on
Tree told everybody would happen, by the way, and we
were getting scoffed at then.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But that is where it went.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Where I would say now is the Epstein stuff is nasty, uh,
And I mean the reaction to it, right, So I
think ultimately this comes down to one big question okay,
either you believe. And I put up a poll question
on this, and I think it was like seventy thirty.
I'm just going to be transparent. I don't know that
that's reflective of this audience necessarily, but buck, I put
(27:06):
up a poll question, do you believe that Trump, Bondi, Bongino,
and Cash Patel that quad are lying about the Bongino files.
Seventy percent of you in that poll said that you did.
And there's like forty some odd thousand people voting, Oh,
seventy percent. I think they're lying. I think they're lying.
(27:27):
I don't doesn't there's nothing wrong with disagreeing. I am
telling you. I don't think Trump took a bullet, nearly
got bankrupted, was facing prison in life so that he
could become president again and cover for cover for Epstein.
I think what Roger Stone said may very well be
(27:48):
true if there had been evidence inside of the government
files of wrongdoing. I don't think it exists now. So
I understand this may be a minority opinion for everybody
out there listening. I do not believe Trump, Bondi, Bongino,
and Cash Betel are lying. I just don't can I
so I some of you have probably seen this. I
(28:08):
was on my friend Sean Ryan's show, I think in
twenty twenty two, and the one clip that went quite
viral from that was when I described the absurd situation
of the FBI's search of the sixty million dollar townhouse
on the upper east side of Epstein in twenty nineteen,
(28:30):
where the FBI broke in and found these They broke
I mean when I say broke in, they obviously did
a you know, subpoenut search. But they went in and
they broke into a safe that was hidden in a wall,
and they did not take nor safeguard that information. All right,
this is all public record, This is court record. This
(28:52):
is not you know, you notice. I want to speak
about what we know, not what I think. What I
think is there was a blackmail operation going on. What
I think is that Epstein certainly offered this to foreign intelligence.
But I don't know that. I can't prove that, so
I don't go down that pathway too far. I leave
open the possibility of new evidence. But what I do know, Clay,
(29:12):
is that the FBI had access to stuff in a safe,
and then they left it there, and then they came
back and it was gone, it was gone again. You
can check this in the court record now they say
that they then the FBI reached out to the Epstein
estate attorney who said, oh, I have all that stuff
(29:35):
or I took that stuff or something like that. I'll
bring it back to you, no problem. Well, gee, everybody, now,
now it seems what the story is is that, say,
the tapes or rather the things that are sort of
you know, the media information that's out there is that
that stuff was entirely child pornography downloaded off of the internet.
(30:00):
That doesn't actually go to the specifics of the ring,
the blackmail ring, the case, right, it's just illegal stuff
that'll get you. It's aintal, heinous and demonic and I'll
get you locked up for the rest of your life.
But it doesn't go to the is that really credible
though he's keeping that stuff, of all the things he's doing,
he's keeping that stuff in a locked safe in his wall,
(30:22):
and not the you know, and how can we know?
My point here at being that was twenty nineteen, that
information was out of FBI custody by the FBI's own admission,
and brought back at a later time. Does it strike
anybody as impossible that maybe different information, you know, that
certain things could have been removed or certain things could
have been changed on those tapes at some point in time.
(30:44):
I mean, this is where I say, wasn't an FBI
custody right, So, but that doesn't mean that Cash and
Dan are in on it, right.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
This is the point.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
What they have is not necessarily what existed. It's about
what they can prove, not what they can think. And
that's one hundred percent right. Six years ago now, Epstein
killed himself this investigation. We haven't even talked much about
Epstein on this show. Candidly, I haven't spent much time
on the Epstein story period because I was doing sports.
(31:13):
Like I bet if you went back through the transcripts,
the amount of time we spent on Epstein on this
show is minimal because by the time we took this
show over, he was dead. You know, we've talked about
it occasionally as different little revelations have come out. This
thing started in two thousand and five. I don't know
that most people have really dove into this. The question
(31:35):
that I have is what did Acosta, who was the
prosecutor in South Florida who signed off on this sweetheart
deal all the way back in eight What did he
actually uncover in that initial investigation, because I think they
buried a lot of stuff after that.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
But this is.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Twenty years ago now that this investigation started. George W.
Bush was president when the Epstein investigations. So I do
I think we've I think we have updated this to
where we are right now. I would like to Clay,
if you're good with it, cover the news that is
out there today. The story is far more significant to
(32:16):
the country and Russia escalation, which also goes right to
Trump campaign promises and right to Maga and everything. I
think the Russia stuff is actually I mean the Russia
war stuff, not Russia collusion.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Obviously.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think it's a big deal, and I think that
we shouldn't take our eye off this. We're also watching
the Epstein thing. We will continue to read your emails,
We'll continue to take calls if you want, but in
terms of topics selection because we're also getting people who
are saying guys like, okay, we get it, We've talked
like you, I can't do any more. Right When Trump
is saying this is where it is right now, he's
the commander in chief. He has the final say I
(32:50):
can't release more information, and this is where it is
right now. So we'll hear from you on this. We'll
continue to follow this, but for right now, I don't
think there's a way to move this story downfield or
rather to get more transparency or get more openness on
this other than just a lot of people going with
what they think. But what they think is not going
to do. We're talking about criminal charters, we're talking about
(33:12):
huge consequences. What you think is not enough, you gotta
have You got to be able to prove these things,
and you have an obligation to say what you can
prove in some of these instances and not just throw
wild stuff out there, which I'm seeing a lot of.
And by the way, statute to limitations also apply. Some
of this stuff is twenty years old now. I mean
that's it's really hard to bring charges.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
It's just hard to prove in general. I mean it's hard.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
That's why there is a statute limitation on some things,
not on all things. Some of these crimes there's no statute.
But anyway, we'll take calls, we'll get into this, we'll
come back to it.
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got for us.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Today?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Hey. I was just I've spoken to Greg and I
was just saying, how I think the f scene there's
something there, but we're never going to find out what
it is. And it goes to a bigger picture, in
my opinion, of there never being accountability for anything. What
happened to the Twitter files, all those hearings, all of
those people sitting in front of important people getting asked questions,
(36:18):
and everyone's indignant because they're lying. Where is the accountability?
There's never accountability.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I get it, and I appreciate you because Buck, we've
hammered this. The only people, it seems to ever get
held accountable are the guys and gals who actually walked
inside of the Capitol on jan six. They got pursued
to the ends of the earth. Everybody else just basically
gets away with everything. Governor next
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