July 15, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the pressing issues surrounding illegal immigration, border security, and the economic impact of immigration policies in the United States. The hosts open with a discussion on the controversial “Alligator Alcatraz” ICE facility near the Everglades, using it as a springboard to critique the media’s portrayal of immigration enforcement and the emotional narratives often used by the political left.
A major theme throughout this hour is the economic burden of illegal immigration, with Clay and Buck arguing that the influx of undocumented migrants contributes to rising housing costs, overcrowded emergency rooms, and inflated hotel prices—particularly in cities like New York City. They highlight how Airbnb regulations and the use of hotels to house migrants have disrupted local markets, driving up costs for everyday Americans.
The conversation also tackles the “jobs Americans won’t do” myth, asserting that if employers paid fair wages, U.S. citizens would fill roles currently occupied by undocumented workers. They cite examples from the construction industry and meatpacking plants, emphasizing that economic incentives, not immigration status, determine labor participation.
In a broader cultural context, the hosts question the long-held belief that “diversity is our strength,” pointing to Sweden’s immigration challenges as a cautionary tale. They argue that uncontrolled immigration without assimilation can erode national identity and social cohesion, drawing comparisons to countries like Japan, which maintain strict immigration policies to preserve cultural integrity.
Make sure you never miss a second of the show by subscribing to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton show podcast wherever you get your podcasts! ihr.fm/3InlkL8
For the latest updates from Clay & Buck, visit our website https://www.clayandbuck.com/
Connect with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton:
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in everybody to the Tuesday edition of the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, and we want to
get to some calls and some talkbacks and some other
great things that are going on all across this land
of ours with the news cycle and just everything happening
out there. One thing, Clay, that I want to spend
(00:22):
some time on in this hour is the immigrations and
customs enforcement situation. No surprise I am sure to any
of you, but Alligator Alcatraz, as it has been named,
not too far from.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Where I am. I think it would probably be I
don't know, maybe a two and a half hour drive
from here.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Base based on our drive into the Everglades. It is
a substantial effort, ye and hard to get to.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We had a very long, arduous drive out to the range,
in fact the Everglades, but it was it was a
tough one. But yes, Alligator Alcatraz not too far from
where I currently am, getting a lot of a lot
of news coverage from Democrats were looking to find that thing.
(01:11):
If you remember, Clay, under the first Trump administration, it
was kids in cages. Remember that that was the thing,
and that was AOC dressed all in wide crying at
the fence. We remember this, and then the Trump administration
was like, all right, fine, we're going to do this,
change the policy on the family separation issue. And the
left saw, oh my gosh, we can emotionally charge this
(01:35):
and get outcomes that we want. So that was a
thing that was going on. But they haven't found that
this time around. And as we see, they are demonizing
immigrations and customs enforcement officers and on the side of
the people that would like to dox them and threaten
them and threaten their families, I mean elected Democrats, because
(01:56):
they want to make sure that everybody can know who
these guys are. They're not so concerned with like and
any other aspect of law enforcement. It seems just this.
They want to make sure, oh, yes that we know
what they're not. If they've done misconduct, No, we just
need to know who they are all the time. Very
strange over on MSNBC, this is what they're talking about, Clay.
This has cut sixteen. Rachel Maddow still does stuff over there.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
One day a week, one day a week, one days only. Yes, Well, that's.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Such a nice sinecure she has, or that's such a
nice situation. It's like being a tenured professor and making
thirty million dollars a year to show up and teach
you her once a week class, a class that nobody
should be paying attention to, a class that nobody should
want to see, but nonetheless they're paying.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Her that Here she is figuring out.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
She says, what to call these Trump holding facilities for
illegals Play sixteen.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
In terms of this facility, you use the term internment camp.
And I saw your colleague W. Wasserman Schultz use that
same phrase. Obviously, that's very evocative language with history in
the country. That is difficult for a lot of people
talk about why you think that term is appropriate. I've
been struggling with that myself, just as a broadcaster, in
(03:10):
terms of how to talk about these things. I mean,
in technical terms, if you've got a facility that's holding
people indefinitely and there's no legal process to get in there,
and there's no legal process to get out, that is
traditionally called a concentration camp or an internment camp.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
An internment camp or a concentration camp. Played you think
that's going to fly.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
No, And look, I think the challenge they have is
they're on the wrong side of this issue. And this
is why I believe in the marketplace of ideas, Because
when Trump's came down the escalator in twenty fifteen and
started arguing for many of the things he's doing now,
most Americans disagreed with him. And partly that's a function
of how that was, how his desires and his goals
(03:57):
were covered by the media. I don't think there's any
way to sugarcoat that. But over time, I believe Trump
has convinced the vast majority of Americans that we can't
have twenty million plus illegals. And the reason I use
twenty million as the number is because that's the number
Tom Holman told me a few months ago he believes
are illegally in the country. Now, I would imagine that
(04:18):
number is beginning to decline slowly. But what you're seeing
is this is the root cause of a huge amount
of the problems that we have in this country. Whether
it's and I know a lot of you have experienced this,
the number of illegal immigrant children that are being educated
in American schools, whether it is the number of illegal
(04:39):
immigrant criminals who are committing violent acts in this country,
whether it is the number of illegal immigrants who are
taking jobs that otherwise Americans would not take. You know
what I've started to see vanish Buck is the argument of, oh,
these are jobs that Americans won't do. That is such
an arrogant argument to me, because the entire basis of
(05:03):
commerce is if you pay people enough to do a job,
eventually they will do it. And what was it the
meat packing facility they got rated in Nebraska, if I'm
not mistaken, they had to go back and rehire, and
they were flooded with applicants who were interested in those jobs.
(05:23):
And so I just look at it as, yes, it
may be sometimes easier, and certainly it's cheaper to go
with illegal immigrants as workers. But if you eliminate that
opportunity and force business to have to pay American citizens
to do the jobs, costs don't go up that much
(05:44):
and the end result is actually much more of a
positive in this country. By the way, Number one way
I know in New York City Mom Donnie's game plan
here he ran to a large extent on things cost
too much, particular rent. What would rent be in New
York City if we eliminated a million some audi legals
(06:06):
from the rental markets. Basic economics would suggest that the
cost of living for rent would go down for all
American citizens in New York City, for instance.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I'll tell you thish the hotels. This is a perfect
microcosm to macrocosm example of this. Hotels in New York
City in the era of putting all these you know,
these migrants, these illegals in the New York City hotels
the highest.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Prices you've ever seen in the history of New York.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yes, it's crazy what it costs to stay in a
New York City hotel right now.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
You I mean some of you are gonna, you're gonna,
you know, choke on your crocket coffee when I tell
you this. But you can spend five hundred dollars a
night during the week off season in a New York
City hotel. That's you know nice, But I mean it's not.
There's a lot of plays I can get. I can get,
you know, Beach Front up in Jacksonville, like a like
(07:05):
a gorgeous resort for four or five hundred bucks a night.
In New York you can stay in like a midtown Marriott,
you know, like a kind of a standard you know,
business see kind of hotel and if you want something nice, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Boy, Christmas season by our station. This is like December
fourteenth or whatever it was. I stayed in a hotel
room where I'm not kidding, I could touch the walls
from the bed that I was in both sides, right,
I mean, they barely could fit a bed in this room.
I believe, Producer Ali was the cheapest room that they
(07:38):
could find in the vicinity of our hotel. Wasn't that
room like eight hundred dollars alley? Eight hundred dollars a
night one night for a room that I could when
I laid on the bed, I could touch the wall
on both sides. And it's because one there is the
immigrant angle. The other angle, which almost no one talks about.
(07:59):
They kill their B and B in New York City, Yes, right,
so they had a ton of people out there who
were helping to pay their rent by renting out their places.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And by the way, I actually, oh really, I'm I'm
I'm pretty supportive of the of the airbnb restrictions in
New York City.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Just oh you are?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I am?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, Because if.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
You don't want to live next door to somebody who's
renting their place out all the time, yeah, I get
that people.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
It's and the people move into these buildings and they're
you know, there are rules, there are contracts, they agree
to things, and one of the things in a lot
of these buildings, and it's true in a lot of cities,
right if it's true, like your community association, you agree
to certain rules and the rules are for the benefit
of everybody. If someone is using their their you know,
one bedroom apartment is like an sro a single Romacavinci
(08:49):
hotel which used to have a very bad rap from
the bad days of New York City when they were
like drug dens and stuff like that, that causes problems
to the rest of the of the tenants on the floor.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I have a friend, I know somebody who in New
York his building went back and found all of the
postings for Airbnb and everything and suit him for all
of it and one so they.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Take this stuff very seriously.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I do think it's an I'm gonna sound like Gavin
Newsom now, I do think it's a real debate that
should be had because I totally understand the idea, and
evidently it's become a huge issue in many different primary
tourist locations. Around the country. No one wants to live
full time next to a house that is being rented
(09:37):
out on AIRBA in.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
The case in the case of New York, I'm really
actually just pro a building or a community can say
you can't do this, and can drop the hammer if
you do it. I actually, I think in the City
of New York they've just decided that in less day,
unless it's a thirty day rental. It's a regulation that
I'm a little more aligned, I think with how you
see it too. But I absolutely if you move into
(10:00):
a building and you say and you sign things that
say that this is your primary home and you're not
renting it out, you can't rent it out because it's
a you know, you've agreed to a contract on entry
into that community. Look, we just Clay Well, I'm now
a homeowner for the first time. But if some of
you're gonna laugh the stuff you got to do, some
of you have lawns, I don't even know what that's like.
The homeowners association, they lay down the law sometimes on
(10:25):
little things. You'd be surprised.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It is, yes that at the homeowners associations in America.
There's many people out there listening right now that are
ready to pull their hair out over whatever disputes are
going on there. I do think, though, whatever you think
about the Airbnb regulations in New York City and the
fact that illegals have filled up.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
A lot of a hotel room, it's about twenty percent.
So if you can just take just a rough figure,
would be hotels are all about twenty percent more expensive
they would otherwise be.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I think it gives you a real good examination of
basic market economics. Right if you eliminated illegal immigrants from
the housing market in New York City and only people
who were legally in the United States or yes, look
on temporary visas like all those things, right, the cost
for the average property I believe in New York City
would plummet tremendously. And I think it's true in many
(11:15):
different parts of America where housing costs have become prohibitive,
and it doesn't take a big city for that reality
to be I mean, it's basic economics. I think jd
Vance said this in the debate and the host was like, well,
what do you base that on? There's twenty million illegals here.
If we took the twenty million illegals out, that is
twenty million new properties, residences, apartments, places to live that
(11:41):
would be in the marketplace, which wouldn't have as much demand,
which would lower the overall cost. I would think substantially
across the board.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
One of the it was one of the more brilliant policies.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And look, Governor Appata, Texas does not, I think get
as much credit as he should for this, or people
don't think about him enough in this regard take illegals
and saying, you know what, let's send you right to
a sanctuary jurisdiction. They they say they want you. We're
just helping out because in the context of New York,
it's a big enough city that had enough of a
concentration of these illegals that you could really see the
(12:15):
economic impact. You could really see when they were telling,
you know, middle class neighborhoods of queens were shutting down
your local high school, you know, soccer fields or whatever
so we can house these illegals. You can really see
that thirty percent of emergency room visits were from these
migrants who were getting just all of their healthcare and
emergency rooms. Like you can see this reality and realize,
(12:38):
hold on a second, if that's from one hundred thousand
people in New York City or one hundred and fifty
thousand whatever. The number ended up being what does twenty
million do nationwide?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Ah? And you know I got it.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Look there's a congresswoman down here, Salazar. I saw her,
and you know she represents a heavily Latino South Florida constituency.
And I love my South Florida Venezueliling and Cuban Americans.
They're fantastic people. But illegals gotta go. And she's playing
this whole game of, oh, but we need dignity for people,
(13:10):
not amnesty, but dignity. No, she means amnesty. Actually she
should just she should just say what she means. I
think she's actually my congresswoman. She should just say, I
want amnesty for people who have been here for more
than five years who are illegal, Like, let's have a
conversation like adults. I would disagree with that, obviously, but
don't give me this thing of I'm fighting for dignity
(13:30):
for people. What does that mean? That's like the Gavin
Newsom thing. Totally Clay Clay hold on a second, Clay,
I hear exactly the perspective you're bringing to this critical discusson.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's like, what does that mean? It means nothing.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You're eight year old, Davin, Do you think eight year
old should be able to have their genitals chopped off?
I totally get the interest. I mean just like, how
is this real? Vegers?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
No, No, eight year olds not be able to the
This is an easy question, a big, big no. But
it's like, yeah, it's like, you know, when you ask
these questions, it just reminds me of how smart you
are and how we can all be friends until I'm
president and then I'll destroy everything you've ever loved or
hell dear all right. Making our nation's economy grow again
like it was during President Trump's first term is a
(14:16):
huge priority. We're telling you every day the good thing's
going on here. We're not a gloom and doom show,
oh catastrophe. Trump's got this economy.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's going well.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But that's the overall economy for three hundred and fifty
million people, and we still have thirty seven trillion dollars
in debt. We still have major challenges, structural challenges that
are going to cause issues for your savings in the
bank and for the value of the dollar, the value
of the dollar last decade is declined substantially. You can
just check this out yourself. How can you take action
(14:45):
for you not wait around for someone else to help
you out from the government side of things, How can
you take action to protect your savings?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Gold?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And the Birch Gold Group is who I trust. Gold
has increased forty percent of value over the last year,
and so central banks from around the world. A lot
of the big central banks are stocking up on gold
in record quantities because they know with all the money
printing and the crypto and all the stuff going on,
real assets matter to them. Physical assets and physical gold
(15:15):
matters should matter to you too. It certainly matters to me.
Birch Gold makes owning physical gold very easy. And this
is great. By the way, they can easily convert an
existing IRA or four oh one k into attack sheltered
IRA in physical gold.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's really cool.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Great way to just set it and forget it in
that old IRA or four oh one k.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Look at the value.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Do a Google search value gold of the last thirty
years and look at that graph and tell me what
has gold been doing. Go to right now the Birch
Gold Group by texting my name Buck text Buck to
ninety eight, ninety eight ninety eight. Birch Gold will send
you a free info kit. They got an A plus
rating with a Better Business Bureau. Tens of thousands of
happy customers Text my name Buck to ninety eight ninety
(15:58):
eight ninety eight Today.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Want to be in the know when you're on the go.
The Team forty seven podcasts Trump Highlights from the week
Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast Feed.
Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get
your podcasts. Welcome Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
I wanted to play this because it is, I would say,
(16:23):
a Democrat talking point that deserves complete ridicule. And the
idea is, oh, we have to have illegal immigration because
they will do jobs that Americans won't. This is a
standard talking point of the Democrat Party. And I just
think basic economics dictates that if you are willing to
(16:44):
pay a living wage, then Americans will eventually do the
jobs that are out there. And so this was Gavin
Newsom on the same podcast I think with Sean Ryan
talking about first of all that it's not illegal immigration,
it is they illegally buy and large have all entered
the country and then trying to say, hey, this isn't
(17:06):
actually anything that the true Americans will do. Cut twenty
one forty.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
One percent of our construction workers. Texas and California have
a highest percentage of their construction workers that would fill
into that category. How the hell do we rebuild Alta
Dina in Palisades. We're gonna need a peak next year.
We asked me about seventy thousand workers. Without that workforce,
ain't gonna happen. You're struggling yere. You imagine a peak there.
So I think there needs to be a pathway for
(17:30):
those folks as we secure the border, then we own
that issue.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Do you feel that they're taking American jobs.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
When not in Tillarry County, not when Uninventura County. I
don't know many people that want a job out there
in those packing facilities.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's such a lie because a majority of the people
who do those jobs are not illegals. Think about it,
A majority of the people in these industries aren't illegals.
So guess what, plenty of people. Okay, we'll come back
to this. That's an important thing, all right. When you
switch your cell phone service from at and T, Verizon
or T Mobile of pure Talk, you're immediately saving hundreds
(18:05):
of dollars a year without sacrificing cell phone quality. I
switched from one of those companies to pure Talk myself
several years ago. I can tell you firsthand the service
is top quality. You're talking twenty five dollars a month
for unlimited talk, text, plenty of data. It's a great
price point. All these years later, they haven't raised their
rates either. Little known secret in the cell phone industry
(18:26):
is that Puretalk uses the same five G network on
the same five G towers as one of those three companies,
So you get the same quality of service at a
fraction of the price. And with Puretalk you can keep
your phone and your number from your cell phone. Dial
pound two fifty say Clay en Buck. You'll save it
additional fifty percent off your first month. You can switch
over to pure Talk in about ten minutes. I did it,
(18:46):
super easy. Dial pound two five zero from your phone.
Say the keywords Clay en Buck to switch to Puretalk.
Wireless buy Americans for Americans, welcome back to Clay and Buck.
So I think this is a very important point because
they're gonna hear this a lot from Democrats as they're
trying to push back on Really the signature achievement or
(19:07):
the signature I should say mission and hopefully achievement of
the Trump administration is the border security and immigration enforcement
that we were all promised and that the Trump administration
is certainly engaged in on a broad spectrum right now.
That is absolutely critical. It is essential Biden let ten
(19:29):
million people scam our system into the country, including people
with extensive criminal history, serious criminal histories. It's it's really unthinkable.
I mean, it happens, so I guess we have to
think about it. But it's it's just it is. It
is a mind blowing thing. When you go back to
how we had effectively the border was totally totally closed
(19:51):
during COVID, so they were starting at a place where
they had tools. Remember then there was the whole all
we can still use the authority to end and they
just decided just kick that thing wide open. It was
all because of Biden, all because of Democrats. They're trying
to gain ground in this argument right now. And one
of the things that I think is so important, and
(20:11):
Clay mentioned this before, Gavin Newsom perfect example of this
This is one of the great immigration illegal immigration lies,
and even immigration in general, because like the H one
B visa things a scam. I was a little worried
when I saw Elon over. I was in Spain, so
I wasn't really you know, we were on a baby moon.
I wasn't really engaging in Twitter. I was so tempted Clay,
(20:33):
But I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson in Nashville.
If you're on vacation, don't let that one tweet fly
all of a sudden. You could kick the you know,
the hornet's nest, and now you're dealing with something on vacation.
So when I'm on vacation and I don't tweet, but
I saw on the H one B thing, and also
vivig Ramaswami totally stepped on that bear trap in a
big way. I mean, that was a disaster for both
(20:56):
the perception of Now Elon moderated his position on that.
I don't even know what happened with the vag I
know he was running for governor something in Ohio, but
there was this, Oh, immigrants are also doing jobs Americans
can't do. That's also a lie. The H one B
and super Special Person visa.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I forget.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Laura actually referenced it for Superman in her a student
analysis of that. I forget what it is. The E
one seven nin er, I forget what it is. But
those are lies too Overwhelmingly those are people that are
doing jobs for below the wages. Anyway we'll get I
don't want to get too deep into that. Do you
want to have the H one B debate? That's also
something that we should do. And I know the farm
(21:35):
worker issue for Trump Clay has gotten a lot of
attention because, Okay, if it's really going to be such
a problem to pay Americans wages to do that, which
I'm not even convinced, automation is the way we go forward.
If we can AI you know, cars, and if we
can AI the legal profession and all these other things
we're told is imminent, we can AI farm work and
(21:57):
we don't have to be paying for the wealth benefits
for decades of people who are doing seasonal farm work. Okay,
the big lie, though, Clay, one of the big lies
here is they're doing the jobs Americans won't do. And
they name things they're like, we can't have people do construction,
we can't have people cleaning hotel rooms or whatever it
may be, the.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Majority of the people doing those jobs are Americans.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yes, So how is it that when you only, let's say,
I mean here, let me clay, I'm gonna look this
up real fast, what the number is of people who
do construction are illegals? And but you know, this is
where we have to really make a stand because this
is a lie, this notion that we can't have the
(22:42):
people to do these jobs and we have to import them. No,
you just have to actually pay the wages. And the
states that have crazy laws that make things too expensive,
well they need to figure that. Figure that out. If
the regulations are what's making it impossible to build new housing,
figure out how to have less regulation.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah. I think one of the big challenges is a
it's an easy fix because it's a low cost. And look,
I mean there's probably guys out there running construction right now.
I know probably a lot of those guys listen to us,
and it gets complicated because they'll probably say, well, I
have a contracting business, and then I subcontract this portion
(23:21):
of a build, and then I don't know what my
subcontractors doing. There's so many different levels of who does what.
But look, the entire basis of economics is if you
pay a wage that of capitalism that somebody finds to
be a good offer, they will sell their labor for
that wage. You've got some data there, and I think
(23:42):
it depends on the city in terms of what percentage
of the construction workers of different locations. I just don't
buy that it's impossible to find Americans who are willing
to do construction jobs. Well, well, think think about the
argument that that Gaven News is making, Oh, we can't
rebuild the palis a And I'd also note I saw
they're putting together one hundred million dollars for low income
(24:05):
housing now that they're going to be putting in the Palisades. So,
by the way, I also saw our friend Adam Carolla
shared a video or a photo I know, I shared
it on of Malibu. It's now been whatever it is
six months since the Fire's there no building going on. Yeah,
there is almost no rebuilding by and large as a
percentage of the places that were torn down and burned
(24:27):
down that has been allowed to take place.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And I remember I was at a and it was
an off the record dinner, but I was at a
dinner years ago Clay with some very heavy hitters in
the conservative movement that do what we do, and some
big donors. You know, they asked me to come to
a dinner. I came to the dinner, sat down, and
I remember things. Everything was flowing fine and smoothly until
one of the big donors, it's a lady. She's like,
(24:52):
I'm sorry, but you know the businesses that I own
without without illegals, we wouldn't be we wouldn't have the
workforce we and that just set off. I mean, it
was a It went from you know, string quartet playing
in the corner and everyone having their filets to a
Donnybrook at thet They got it, and I definitely was
throwing some of the haymakers. I was like, absolutely not
(25:13):
here the Here is the stat that I was able
to pull up. Fifteen to twenty percent of construction workers
are illegals. So let's just give it the high end
of that number. That means eighty percent nationwide of people
who are doing construction are Americans.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So we are to.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Believe that you can't you can't have a construction industry
if you have a reduction in force of let's say
fifteen percent or whatever it may be. And now let
me also be clear, there are other people that should
be prioritized ahead of people who are have been here
for five years or then mid here, you know, and
they're doing that, and eventually there may be a discussion
(25:52):
to be had about someone's been here twenty years, they
got family, you.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Know, that's a down the line thing.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But first you got to deport the people that have
been here for a couple of years are trying to
scan the system. First you got to deport the ten million,
ten million who came in under Biden, no questions asked.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, and again, I think there are really good questions
that are very difficult to answer. Why won't Americans do
the jobs? Well, they're not paid enough. Well, maybe those
jobs should pay more. I think that's a reasonable take.
Second part of this is and there's never a good
answer for this either. Okay, what is the number?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
What would be I thought about this in the Superman
context where he said Superman's an immigrant, we have to
all be more kind. That's James Gunn, the coach or
the director of the Superman movie. I would love to
ask those people, what is your number? That's too many. Right,
we have a population, let's say three hundred and thirty
million people legally roughly in the United States? Should we
(26:47):
take one hundred million? I mean there are seven billion
people around the world, right, Do they have a number
where our kindness would be taken advantage of in their mind?
Because I think for most people listening to us right now,
twenty million is well past the number, right And some
of you would say the numbers should be zero, And
I get that. But for the people who are saying, hey,
twenty million, where's our basic kindness? Like we should be
(27:10):
able to extend a handle these bills? How many people
should we bring into the country that should be allowed
to live here that are not citizens right now? To
how far? How high would the number have to get
for you to say, hey, that's too many? Nobody ever
asked that question. I would love to know of Gavin Newsom, Hey,
we've got twenty million illegals here. What's the number that
(27:32):
you think would be untenable for American life? Because at
some point can't take a billion people, right, Like, at
some point everybody has a number, well, and nobody ever
gives me a number where they say, hey, well, you
know fifty million is fine, and then we well, why
do you draw the line there? Right, how do you
arbitrarily decide how much breaking of the law you are
comfortable allowing in order for your moral equivalency to be
(27:56):
able to be broadcast nationwide? And nobody ever really answers
that question, frankly rarely gets asked. I think it's an
interesting one.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Well, you start to see that Sweden, for example, a
country that was deeply homogeneous for a very long time, right,
it was a like ninety five percent plus white Lutheran
religion country, is now about thirty percent immigrant, and of
(28:27):
that thirty percent immigrant population, a huge portion of them
are Muslims. And you start to see, well, what is
this doing for the social cohesion and the notion of
a Swedish And in the case of Sweden, I might add,
because they wanted to be so generous with their welfare benefits,
there are all these enclays where there are people who
(28:49):
speak absolutely no Swedish, You have no interest in anything
of the Swedish state other than taking money from the
Swedish state. And actually occasionally we'll speak quite openly about
how the plan is to bring in more of their
relative and countrymen from somewhere else so they can just
take over. Yeah, they're quite open.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
This is real.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
This has been happening in the context of European countries
for a while. I just bring up Sweden because it's
only ten million people. It's a little bigger than the
size of New York City. So when you bring in
a thirty percent non Swedish population, think about what that's
like for that country. And that's also a country that
has now the system doesn't want to keep track of
(29:29):
how badly the system has failed, so they won't keep
track of crime by you know who's doing it and
what's going on. You might say, buck, I don't give
a I don't give a you know what about Sweden.
My point is that is an example, an exemplar of
how things can go badly when you have too much
and not enough assimilation, not enough nation state cohesion, not
(29:53):
enough pride in the culture and the shared history and
shared belief of country. You can actually disintegrate a country
through this, and that's what the Democrats are running up against.
The awakening of the American people to this.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, I think a lot of people were raised on
the era of diversity as our strength. I think a
lot of people are saying, I don't know that that's
a very I mean that is that would be I
think if you were saying, like, hey, what is a
definitive phrase that was deeply embedded culturally in America starting
(30:29):
about I don't know, what do you think in the
early two thousand's, late nineties, like this idea of diversity
as our strength became a big talking point, and it
became a cliche, and I think a lot of people
just kind of tossed it to the backside, didn't really
think about it very much. I don't think that's true
at all. Diversity of thought can be a strength because
(30:50):
it can lead to better ideas things like that, But
diversity of culture in the Sweden example that you gave, like,
there's a big difference between the people that are moving
to Sweden and the people who have lived there for generations.
And you know, countries like Japan would not allow this
to happen, right, They wouldn't allow there to be a
(31:10):
thirty percent non native population, and they're not considered to
be xenophobic.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Imagine if I showed up in Japan and I said,
I work harder than all of you and you need me,
and without me, you won't be able to have whole industries,
you know, function, And you're lucky that I'm here. I mean,
I don't know if i'd hear the laughter as they
were escorting me to the plane to send me back
to wherever I came from or not.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
But that's what what you just had. You guys just
had a baby. You and Carrie. Imagine even more ridiculously,
at at seven months pregnant, you had decided, Hey, I'm
going to go to Japan, uh and my kid is
going to be Japanese. I mean, that would be ludicrous.
I think to people who live in Japan, oh, that
happens every single day, thousands of times. In the United States.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I would say it's even worse than that, though, because
it would be if I if my wife and I
went to Japan, had a baby in Tokyo on vacation,
came back to America basically learned no Japanese whatsoever, and
then my son shows up in Tokyo in eighteen years
and says, I want to go to Tokyo University for free,
and I also want to sponsor my ten relatives to
(32:18):
come to your country. Because I'm as Japanese as support
o beer.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I was wondering what your analogy was going to be.
You pulled that out at the end. I couldn't say.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I couldn't say apple pie right American is apple Japanese
beer not bad?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
The team needs to fined. I did to my Japanese
interview on Superman. I don't know what ended up happening
with that. I got any email.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I have a double in Japanese by the way, because
that we need the clip of Clay dubbed in Japanese.
Because that will go. That will be fun, that will
be very good. I know it has aired.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
James Carey joined the United States Marine Corps after being
inspired by his grandfather, who also served our nation. James
loved being a marine, but his life would change forever.
During it training exercise, he lost consciousness nearly drowned. The
incident resulted in a brain injury that left James blind
and unable to use his body, susceptible to memory loss.
(33:10):
It even brought on dementia. The Tunnel of the Towers
Foundation built James a specially adapted smart home to help
him live more independently. Thanks to the generosity of friends,
like you, the lives of America's heroes and their families
are being improved. James Carrey and so many other service
members and first responders have paid a high price to
keep our country and our community safe. Through Tunnel the Towers.
(33:33):
Friends like you have said thank you, not only through words,
but through actions. America's heroes needs your help now more
than ever. Help heroes like James and their families. Donate
eleven dollars a month to Tunnel of the Towers at
T two t dot org. That's t the number two
t dot org news you can count on, and some
(33:53):
laughs too.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Clay Travis at Buck Sexton find them on the free
iHeartRadio app or where wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Tuesday edition of the program. Buck, you were
mentioning whether you could hit a one hundred mile an
hour pitch if you knew a fastball was coming, and
you were standing in the batter's box in.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
The Hundred's really fast, aren't they usually like eighty five?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
No, no, no, no, All these guys, all these starting pitchers
in the Major League Baseball can throw, I mean high
nineties for sure, and a lot of them can hit
one hundred. But I thought you would appreciate this. You
didn't see it yesterday in the home run derby a
kid They had like teenagers running around in the outfield,
boys and girls trying to catch fly balls during the
(34:44):
home run derby, which feels a little bit dangerous to me,
given out ripped some of these balls were nobody got
hit to my knowledge, But a kid stole a home
run in the home run Derby. He ran and leapt
and made it catch. Did you need to watch this video?
And I don't know how many of you saw this.
The field left field wall in Atlanta is a little
(35:07):
bit low, and this teenage kid made an unbelievable catch.
He stole what would have otherwise been a home run
during the home run derby by making a spectacular catch
over the wall. And maybe we can put this up
at clayanbuck dot com if you guys want to see it.
But it kind of tied into me a little bit,
(35:27):
like everybody sits around. If you were in the outfield
and you're a baseball player and you daydream you're like man,
I'd love to rob a home run, right, steal a
home run from going over the wall. You leap at
the perfect moment, catch it and bring it back on
the field to play. A teenage kid did that last
night during the live home Run Derby and created a
bit of a controversy because they had to go back
(35:49):
and reward the home run because you're not supposed to
be playing defense during the home run derby. But kid
couldn't turn off the skills. And so this kid has
gone megaviral for the play that he made. And it
reminded me when you were talking about trying to hit
a home run. That kid literally stole a home run
from a other otherwise major League Baseball player with millions
(36:11):
of people watching last night.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Wasn't there the guy who got in all the trouble
at was it a White Sox game or something or where.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
He caught.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Jeffrey Meyer reached over and stole a home run like
the Yankees won a game if I remember correctly, because
he had reached over the outfield.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Was the Cubs?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, that was Bartman. There's two different That's that's the negatives.
I'm getting my I'm getting my things confused, but I
think you're right.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
The Marlins were playing the Cubs and there was a
ball hit into The Cubs never won the World Series.
At that point, fan reaches out. Steve Bartman tries to
catch the ball boys of Sulu, isn't able to catch
the It turned into a huge story. We come back,
by the way. The craziest question you've heard in a
long time.
Welcome back in everybody to the Tuesday edition of the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, and we want to
get to some calls and some talkbacks and some other
great things that are going on all across this land
of ours with the news cycle and just everything happening
out there. One thing, Clay, that I want to spend
(00:22):
some time on in this hour is the immigrations and
customs enforcement situation. No surprise I am sure to any
of you, but Alligator Alcatraz, as it has been named,
not too far from.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Where I am. I think it would probably be I
don't know, maybe a two and a half hour drive
from here.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Base based on our drive into the Everglades. It is
a substantial effort, ye and hard to get to.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We had a very long, arduous drive out to the range,
in fact the Everglades, but it was it was a
tough one. But yes, Alligator Alcatraz not too far from
where I currently am, getting a lot of a lot
of news coverage from Democrats were looking to find that thing.
(01:11):
If you remember, Clay, under the first Trump administration, it
was kids in cages. Remember that that was the thing,
and that was AOC dressed all in wide crying at
the fence. We remember this, and then the Trump administration
was like, all right, fine, we're going to do this,
change the policy on the family separation issue. And the
left saw, oh my gosh, we can emotionally charge this
(01:35):
and get outcomes that we want. So that was a
thing that was going on. But they haven't found that
this time around. And as we see, they are demonizing
immigrations and customs enforcement officers and on the side of
the people that would like to dox them and threaten
them and threaten their families, I mean elected Democrats, because
(01:56):
they want to make sure that everybody can know who
these guys are. They're not so concerned with like and
any other aspect of law enforcement. It seems just this.
They want to make sure, oh, yes that we know
what they're not. If they've done misconduct, No, we just
need to know who they are all the time. Very
strange over on MSNBC, this is what they're talking about, Clay.
This has cut sixteen. Rachel Maddow still does stuff over there.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
One day a week, one day a week, one days only. Yes, Well, that's.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Such a nice sinecure she has, or that's such a
nice situation. It's like being a tenured professor and making
thirty million dollars a year to show up and teach
you her once a week class, a class that nobody
should be paying attention to, a class that nobody should
want to see, but nonetheless they're paying.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Her that Here she is figuring out.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
She says, what to call these Trump holding facilities for
illegals Play sixteen.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
In terms of this facility, you use the term internment camp.
And I saw your colleague W. Wasserman Schultz use that
same phrase. Obviously, that's very evocative language with history in
the country. That is difficult for a lot of people
talk about why you think that term is appropriate. I've
been struggling with that myself, just as a broadcaster, in
(03:10):
terms of how to talk about these things. I mean,
in technical terms, if you've got a facility that's holding
people indefinitely and there's no legal process to get in there,
and there's no legal process to get out, that is
traditionally called a concentration camp or an internment camp.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
An internment camp or a concentration camp. Played you think
that's going to fly.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
No, And look, I think the challenge they have is
they're on the wrong side of this issue. And this
is why I believe in the marketplace of ideas, Because
when Trump's came down the escalator in twenty fifteen and
started arguing for many of the things he's doing now,
most Americans disagreed with him. And partly that's a function
of how that was, how his desires and his goals
(03:57):
were covered by the media. I don't think there's any
way to sugarcoat that. But over time, I believe Trump
has convinced the vast majority of Americans that we can't
have twenty million plus illegals. And the reason I use
twenty million as the number is because that's the number
Tom Holman told me a few months ago he believes
are illegally in the country. Now, I would imagine that
(04:18):
number is beginning to decline slowly. But what you're seeing
is this is the root cause of a huge amount
of the problems that we have in this country. Whether
it's and I know a lot of you have experienced this,
the number of illegal immigrant children that are being educated
in American schools, whether it is the number of illegal
(04:39):
immigrant criminals who are committing violent acts in this country,
whether it is the number of illegal immigrants who are
taking jobs that otherwise Americans would not take. You know
what I've started to see vanish Buck is the argument of, oh,
these are jobs that Americans won't do. That is such
an arrogant argument to me, because the entire basis of
(05:03):
commerce is if you pay people enough to do a job,
eventually they will do it. And what was it the
meat packing facility they got rated in Nebraska, if I'm
not mistaken, they had to go back and rehire, and
they were flooded with applicants who were interested in those jobs.
(05:23):
And so I just look at it as, yes, it
may be sometimes easier, and certainly it's cheaper to go
with illegal immigrants as workers. But if you eliminate that
opportunity and force business to have to pay American citizens
to do the jobs, costs don't go up that much
(05:44):
and the end result is actually much more of a
positive in this country. By the way, Number one way
I know in New York City Mom Donnie's game plan
here he ran to a large extent on things cost
too much, particular rent. What would rent be in New
York City if we eliminated a million some audi legals
(06:06):
from the rental markets. Basic economics would suggest that the
cost of living for rent would go down for all
American citizens in New York City, for instance.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I'll tell you thish the hotels. This is a perfect
microcosm to macrocosm example of this. Hotels in New York
City in the era of putting all these you know,
these migrants, these illegals in the New York City hotels
the highest.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Prices you've ever seen in the history of New York.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yes, it's crazy what it costs to stay in a
New York City hotel right now.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
You I mean some of you are gonna, you're gonna,
you know, choke on your crocket coffee when I tell
you this. But you can spend five hundred dollars a
night during the week off season in a New York
City hotel. That's you know nice, But I mean it's not.
There's a lot of plays I can get. I can get,
you know, Beach Front up in Jacksonville, like a like
(07:05):
a gorgeous resort for four or five hundred bucks a night.
In New York you can stay in like a midtown Marriott,
you know, like a kind of a standard you know,
business see kind of hotel and if you want something nice, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Boy, Christmas season by our station. This is like December
fourteenth or whatever it was. I stayed in a hotel
room where I'm not kidding, I could touch the walls
from the bed that I was in both sides, right,
I mean, they barely could fit a bed in this room.
I believe, Producer Ali was the cheapest room that they
(07:38):
could find in the vicinity of our hotel. Wasn't that
room like eight hundred dollars alley? Eight hundred dollars a
night one night for a room that I could when
I laid on the bed, I could touch the wall
on both sides. And it's because one there is the
immigrant angle. The other angle, which almost no one talks about.
(07:59):
They kill their B and B in New York City, Yes, right,
so they had a ton of people out there who
were helping to pay their rent by renting out their places.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And by the way, I actually, oh really, I'm I'm
I'm pretty supportive of the of the airbnb restrictions in
New York City.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Just oh you are?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I am?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, Because if.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
You don't want to live next door to somebody who's
renting their place out all the time, yeah, I get
that people.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
It's and the people move into these buildings and they're
you know, there are rules, there are contracts, they agree
to things, and one of the things in a lot
of these buildings, and it's true in a lot of cities,
right if it's true, like your community association, you agree
to certain rules and the rules are for the benefit
of everybody. If someone is using their their you know,
one bedroom apartment is like an sro a single Romacavinci
(08:49):
hotel which used to have a very bad rap from
the bad days of New York City when they were
like drug dens and stuff like that, that causes problems
to the rest of the of the tenants on the floor.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I have a friend, I know somebody who in New
York his building went back and found all of the
postings for Airbnb and everything and suit him for all
of it and one so they.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Take this stuff very seriously.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I do think it's an I'm gonna sound like Gavin
Newsom now, I do think it's a real debate that
should be had because I totally understand the idea, and
evidently it's become a huge issue in many different primary
tourist locations. Around the country. No one wants to live
full time next to a house that is being rented
(09:37):
out on AIRBA in.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
The case in the case of New York, I'm really
actually just pro a building or a community can say
you can't do this, and can drop the hammer if
you do it. I actually, I think in the City
of New York they've just decided that in less day,
unless it's a thirty day rental. It's a regulation that
I'm a little more aligned, I think with how you
see it too. But I absolutely if you move into
(10:00):
a building and you say and you sign things that
say that this is your primary home and you're not
renting it out, you can't rent it out because it's
a you know, you've agreed to a contract on entry
into that community. Look, we just Clay Well, I'm now
a homeowner for the first time. But if some of
you're gonna laugh the stuff you got to do, some
of you have lawns, I don't even know what that's like.
The homeowners association, they lay down the law sometimes on
(10:25):
little things. You'd be surprised.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It is, yes that at the homeowners associations in America.
There's many people out there listening right now that are
ready to pull their hair out over whatever disputes are
going on there. I do think, though, whatever you think
about the Airbnb regulations in New York City and the
fact that illegals have filled up.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
A lot of a hotel room, it's about twenty percent.
So if you can just take just a rough figure,
would be hotels are all about twenty percent more expensive
they would otherwise be.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I think it gives you a real good examination of
basic market economics. Right if you eliminated illegal immigrants from
the housing market in New York City and only people
who were legally in the United States or yes, look
on temporary visas like all those things, right, the cost
for the average property I believe in New York City
would plummet tremendously. And I think it's true in many
(11:15):
different parts of America where housing costs have become prohibitive,
and it doesn't take a big city for that reality
to be I mean, it's basic economics. I think jd
Vance said this in the debate and the host was like, well,
what do you base that on? There's twenty million illegals here.
If we took the twenty million illegals out, that is
twenty million new properties, residences, apartments, places to live that
(11:41):
would be in the marketplace, which wouldn't have as much demand,
which would lower the overall cost. I would think substantially
across the board.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
One of the it was one of the more brilliant policies.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And look, Governor Appata, Texas does not, I think get
as much credit as he should for this, or people
don't think about him enough in this regard take illegals
and saying, you know what, let's send you right to
a sanctuary jurisdiction. They they say they want you. We're
just helping out because in the context of New York,
it's a big enough city that had enough of a
concentration of these illegals that you could really see the
(12:15):
economic impact. You could really see when they were telling,
you know, middle class neighborhoods of queens were shutting down
your local high school, you know, soccer fields or whatever
so we can house these illegals. You can really see
that thirty percent of emergency room visits were from these
migrants who were getting just all of their healthcare and
emergency rooms. Like you can see this reality and realize,
(12:38):
hold on a second, if that's from one hundred thousand
people in New York City or one hundred and fifty
thousand whatever. The number ended up being what does twenty
million do nationwide?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Ah? And you know I got it.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Look there's a congresswoman down here, Salazar. I saw her,
and you know she represents a heavily Latino South Florida constituency.
And I love my South Florida Venezueliling and Cuban Americans.
They're fantastic people. But illegals gotta go. And she's playing
this whole game of, oh, but we need dignity for people,
(13:10):
not amnesty, but dignity. No, she means amnesty. Actually she
should just she should just say what she means. I
think she's actually my congresswoman. She should just say, I
want amnesty for people who have been here for more
than five years who are illegal, Like, let's have a
conversation like adults. I would disagree with that, obviously, but
don't give me this thing of I'm fighting for dignity
(13:30):
for people. What does that mean? That's like the Gavin
Newsom thing. Totally Clay Clay hold on a second, Clay,
I hear exactly the perspective you're bringing to this critical discusson.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's like, what does that mean? It means nothing.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You're eight year old, Davin, Do you think eight year
old should be able to have their genitals chopped off?
I totally get the interest. I mean just like, how
is this real? Vegers?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
No, No, eight year olds not be able to the
This is an easy question, a big, big no. But
it's like, yeah, it's like, you know, when you ask
these questions, it just reminds me of how smart you
are and how we can all be friends until I'm
president and then I'll destroy everything you've ever loved or
hell dear all right. Making our nation's economy grow again
like it was during President Trump's first term is a
(14:16):
huge priority. We're telling you every day the good thing's
going on here. We're not a gloom and doom show,
oh catastrophe. Trump's got this economy.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's going well.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But that's the overall economy for three hundred and fifty
million people, and we still have thirty seven trillion dollars
in debt. We still have major challenges, structural challenges that
are going to cause issues for your savings in the
bank and for the value of the dollar, the value
of the dollar last decade is declined substantially. You can
just check this out yourself. How can you take action
(14:45):
for you not wait around for someone else to help
you out from the government side of things, How can
you take action to protect your savings?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Gold?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And the Birch Gold Group is who I trust. Gold
has increased forty percent of value over the last year,
and so central banks from around the world. A lot
of the big central banks are stocking up on gold
in record quantities because they know with all the money
printing and the crypto and all the stuff going on,
real assets matter to them. Physical assets and physical gold
(15:15):
matters should matter to you too. It certainly matters to me.
Birch Gold makes owning physical gold very easy. And this
is great. By the way, they can easily convert an
existing IRA or four oh one k into attack sheltered
IRA in physical gold.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's really cool.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Great way to just set it and forget it in
that old IRA or four oh one k.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Look at the value.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Do a Google search value gold of the last thirty
years and look at that graph and tell me what
has gold been doing. Go to right now the Birch
Gold Group by texting my name Buck text Buck to
ninety eight, ninety eight ninety eight. Birch Gold will send
you a free info kit. They got an A plus
rating with a Better Business Bureau. Tens of thousands of
happy customers Text my name Buck to ninety eight ninety
(15:58):
eight ninety eight Today.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Want to be in the know when you're on the go.
The Team forty seven podcasts Trump Highlights from the week
Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast Feed.
Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get
your podcasts. Welcome Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
I wanted to play this because it is, I would say,
(16:23):
a Democrat talking point that deserves complete ridicule. And the
idea is, oh, we have to have illegal immigration because
they will do jobs that Americans won't. This is a
standard talking point of the Democrat Party. And I just
think basic economics dictates that if you are willing to
(16:44):
pay a living wage, then Americans will eventually do the
jobs that are out there. And so this was Gavin
Newsom on the same podcast I think with Sean Ryan
talking about first of all that it's not illegal immigration,
it is they illegally buy and large have all entered
the country and then trying to say, hey, this isn't
(17:06):
actually anything that the true Americans will do. Cut twenty
one forty.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
One percent of our construction workers. Texas and California have
a highest percentage of their construction workers that would fill
into that category. How the hell do we rebuild Alta
Dina in Palisades. We're gonna need a peak next year.
We asked me about seventy thousand workers. Without that workforce,
ain't gonna happen. You're struggling yere. You imagine a peak there.
So I think there needs to be a pathway for
(17:30):
those folks as we secure the border, then we own
that issue.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Do you feel that they're taking American jobs.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
When not in Tillarry County, not when Uninventura County. I
don't know many people that want a job out there
in those packing facilities.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's such a lie because a majority of the people
who do those jobs are not illegals. Think about it,
A majority of the people in these industries aren't illegals.
So guess what, plenty of people. Okay, we'll come back
to this. That's an important thing, all right. When you
switch your cell phone service from at and T, Verizon
or T Mobile of pure Talk, you're immediately saving hundreds
(18:05):
of dollars a year without sacrificing cell phone quality. I
switched from one of those companies to pure Talk myself
several years ago. I can tell you firsthand the service
is top quality. You're talking twenty five dollars a month
for unlimited talk, text, plenty of data. It's a great
price point. All these years later, they haven't raised their
rates either. Little known secret in the cell phone industry
(18:26):
is that Puretalk uses the same five G network on
the same five G towers as one of those three companies,
So you get the same quality of service at a
fraction of the price. And with Puretalk you can keep
your phone and your number from your cell phone. Dial
pound two fifty say Clay en Buck. You'll save it
additional fifty percent off your first month. You can switch
over to pure Talk in about ten minutes. I did it,
(18:46):
super easy. Dial pound two five zero from your phone.
Say the keywords Clay en Buck to switch to Puretalk.
Wireless buy Americans for Americans, welcome back to Clay and Buck.
So I think this is a very important point because
they're gonna hear this a lot from Democrats as they're
trying to push back on Really the signature achievement or
(19:07):
the signature I should say mission and hopefully achievement of
the Trump administration is the border security and immigration enforcement
that we were all promised and that the Trump administration
is certainly engaged in on a broad spectrum right now.
That is absolutely critical. It is essential Biden let ten
(19:29):
million people scam our system into the country, including people
with extensive criminal history, serious criminal histories. It's it's really unthinkable.
I mean, it happens, so I guess we have to
think about it. But it's it's just it is. It
is a mind blowing thing. When you go back to
how we had effectively the border was totally totally closed
(19:51):
during COVID, so they were starting at a place where
they had tools. Remember then there was the whole all
we can still use the authority to end and they
just decided just kick that thing wide open. It was
all because of Biden, all because of Democrats. They're trying
to gain ground in this argument right now. And one
of the things that I think is so important, and
(20:11):
Clay mentioned this before, Gavin Newsom perfect example of this
This is one of the great immigration illegal immigration lies,
and even immigration in general, because like the H one
B visa things a scam. I was a little worried
when I saw Elon over. I was in Spain, so
I wasn't really you know, we were on a baby moon.
I wasn't really engaging in Twitter. I was so tempted Clay,
(20:33):
But I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson in Nashville.
If you're on vacation, don't let that one tweet fly
all of a sudden. You could kick the you know,
the hornet's nest, and now you're dealing with something on vacation.
So when I'm on vacation and I don't tweet, but
I saw on the H one B thing, and also
vivig Ramaswami totally stepped on that bear trap in a
big way. I mean, that was a disaster for both
(20:56):
the perception of Now Elon moderated his position on that.
I don't even know what happened with the vag I
know he was running for governor something in Ohio, but
there was this, Oh, immigrants are also doing jobs Americans
can't do. That's also a lie. The H one B
and super Special Person visa.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I forget.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Laura actually referenced it for Superman in her a student
analysis of that. I forget what it is. The E
one seven nin er, I forget what it is. But
those are lies too Overwhelmingly those are people that are
doing jobs for below the wages. Anyway we'll get I
don't want to get too deep into that. Do you
want to have the H one B debate? That's also
something that we should do. And I know the farm
(21:35):
worker issue for Trump Clay has gotten a lot of
attention because, Okay, if it's really going to be such
a problem to pay Americans wages to do that, which
I'm not even convinced, automation is the way we go forward.
If we can AI you know, cars, and if we
can AI the legal profession and all these other things
we're told is imminent, we can AI farm work and
(21:57):
we don't have to be paying for the wealth benefits
for decades of people who are doing seasonal farm work. Okay,
the big lie, though, Clay, one of the big lies
here is they're doing the jobs Americans won't do. And
they name things they're like, we can't have people do construction,
we can't have people cleaning hotel rooms or whatever it
may be, the.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Majority of the people doing those jobs are Americans.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yes, So how is it that when you only, let's say,
I mean here, let me clay, I'm gonna look this
up real fast, what the number is of people who
do construction are illegals? And but you know, this is
where we have to really make a stand because this
is a lie, this notion that we can't have the
(22:42):
people to do these jobs and we have to import them. No,
you just have to actually pay the wages. And the
states that have crazy laws that make things too expensive,
well they need to figure that. Figure that out. If
the regulations are what's making it impossible to build new housing,
figure out how to have less regulation.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah. I think one of the big challenges is a
it's an easy fix because it's a low cost. And look,
I mean there's probably guys out there running construction right now.
I know probably a lot of those guys listen to us,
and it gets complicated because they'll probably say, well, I
have a contracting business, and then I subcontract this portion
(23:21):
of a build, and then I don't know what my
subcontractors doing. There's so many different levels of who does what.
But look, the entire basis of economics is if you
pay a wage that of capitalism that somebody finds to
be a good offer, they will sell their labor for
that wage. You've got some data there, and I think
(23:42):
it depends on the city in terms of what percentage
of the construction workers of different locations. I just don't
buy that it's impossible to find Americans who are willing
to do construction jobs. Well, well, think think about the
argument that that Gaven News is making, Oh, we can't
rebuild the palis a And I'd also note I saw
they're putting together one hundred million dollars for low income
(24:05):
housing now that they're going to be putting in the Palisades. So,
by the way, I also saw our friend Adam Carolla
shared a video or a photo I know, I shared
it on of Malibu. It's now been whatever it is
six months since the Fire's there no building going on. Yeah,
there is almost no rebuilding by and large as a
percentage of the places that were torn down and burned
(24:27):
down that has been allowed to take place.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And I remember I was at a and it was
an off the record dinner, but I was at a
dinner years ago Clay with some very heavy hitters in
the conservative movement that do what we do, and some
big donors. You know, they asked me to come to
a dinner. I came to the dinner, sat down, and
I remember things. Everything was flowing fine and smoothly until
one of the big donors, it's a lady. She's like,
(24:52):
I'm sorry, but you know the businesses that I own
without without illegals, we wouldn't be we wouldn't have the
workforce we and that just set off. I mean, it
was a It went from you know, string quartet playing
in the corner and everyone having their filets to a
Donnybrook at thet They got it, and I definitely was
throwing some of the haymakers. I was like, absolutely not
(25:13):
here the Here is the stat that I was able
to pull up. Fifteen to twenty percent of construction workers
are illegals. So let's just give it the high end
of that number. That means eighty percent nationwide of people
who are doing construction are Americans.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So we are to.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Believe that you can't you can't have a construction industry
if you have a reduction in force of let's say
fifteen percent or whatever it may be. And now let
me also be clear, there are other people that should
be prioritized ahead of people who are have been here
for five years or then mid here, you know, and
they're doing that, and eventually there may be a discussion
(25:52):
to be had about someone's been here twenty years, they
got family, you.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Know, that's a down the line thing.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But first you got to deport the people that have
been here for a couple of years are trying to
scan the system. First you got to deport the ten million,
ten million who came in under Biden, no questions asked.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, and again, I think there are really good questions
that are very difficult to answer. Why won't Americans do
the jobs? Well, they're not paid enough. Well, maybe those
jobs should pay more. I think that's a reasonable take.
Second part of this is and there's never a good
answer for this either. Okay, what is the number?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
What would be I thought about this in the Superman
context where he said Superman's an immigrant, we have to
all be more kind. That's James Gunn, the coach or
the director of the Superman movie. I would love to
ask those people, what is your number? That's too many. Right,
we have a population, let's say three hundred and thirty
million people legally roughly in the United States? Should we
(26:47):
take one hundred million? I mean there are seven billion
people around the world, right, Do they have a number
where our kindness would be taken advantage of in their mind?
Because I think for most people listening to us right now,
twenty million is well past the number, right And some
of you would say the numbers should be zero, And
I get that. But for the people who are saying, hey,
twenty million, where's our basic kindness? Like we should be
(27:10):
able to extend a handle these bills? How many people
should we bring into the country that should be allowed
to live here that are not citizens right now? To
how far? How high would the number have to get
for you to say, hey, that's too many? Nobody ever
asked that question. I would love to know of Gavin Newsom, Hey,
we've got twenty million illegals here. What's the number that
(27:32):
you think would be untenable for American life? Because at
some point can't take a billion people, right, Like, at
some point everybody has a number, well, and nobody ever
gives me a number where they say, hey, well, you
know fifty million is fine, and then we well, why
do you draw the line there? Right, how do you
arbitrarily decide how much breaking of the law you are
comfortable allowing in order for your moral equivalency to be
(27:56):
able to be broadcast nationwide? And nobody ever really answers
that question, frankly rarely gets asked. I think it's an
interesting one.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Well, you start to see that Sweden, for example, a
country that was deeply homogeneous for a very long time, right,
it was a like ninety five percent plus white Lutheran
religion country, is now about thirty percent immigrant, and of
(28:27):
that thirty percent immigrant population, a huge portion of them
are Muslims. And you start to see, well, what is
this doing for the social cohesion and the notion of
a Swedish And in the case of Sweden, I might add,
because they wanted to be so generous with their welfare benefits,
there are all these enclays where there are people who
(28:49):
speak absolutely no Swedish, You have no interest in anything
of the Swedish state other than taking money from the
Swedish state. And actually occasionally we'll speak quite openly about
how the plan is to bring in more of their
relative and countrymen from somewhere else so they can just
take over. Yeah, they're quite open.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
This is real.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
This has been happening in the context of European countries
for a while. I just bring up Sweden because it's
only ten million people. It's a little bigger than the
size of New York City. So when you bring in
a thirty percent non Swedish population, think about what that's
like for that country. And that's also a country that
has now the system doesn't want to keep track of
(29:29):
how badly the system has failed, so they won't keep
track of crime by you know who's doing it and
what's going on. You might say, buck, I don't give
a I don't give a you know what about Sweden.
My point is that is an example, an exemplar of
how things can go badly when you have too much
and not enough assimilation, not enough nation state cohesion, not
(29:53):
enough pride in the culture and the shared history and
shared belief of country. You can actually disintegrate a country
through this, and that's what the Democrats are running up against.
The awakening of the American people to this.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, I think a lot of people were raised on
the era of diversity as our strength. I think a
lot of people are saying, I don't know that that's
a very I mean that is that would be I
think if you were saying, like, hey, what is a
definitive phrase that was deeply embedded culturally in America starting
(30:29):
about I don't know, what do you think in the
early two thousand's, late nineties, like this idea of diversity
as our strength became a big talking point, and it
became a cliche, and I think a lot of people
just kind of tossed it to the backside, didn't really
think about it very much. I don't think that's true
at all. Diversity of thought can be a strength because
(30:50):
it can lead to better ideas things like that, But
diversity of culture in the Sweden example that you gave, like,
there's a big difference between the people that are moving
to Sweden and the people who have lived there for generations.
And you know, countries like Japan would not allow this
to happen, right, They wouldn't allow there to be a
(31:10):
thirty percent non native population, and they're not considered to
be xenophobic.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Imagine if I showed up in Japan and I said,
I work harder than all of you and you need me,
and without me, you won't be able to have whole industries,
you know, function, And you're lucky that I'm here. I mean,
I don't know if i'd hear the laughter as they
were escorting me to the plane to send me back
to wherever I came from or not.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
But that's what what you just had. You guys just
had a baby. You and Carrie. Imagine even more ridiculously,
at at seven months pregnant, you had decided, Hey, I'm
going to go to Japan, uh and my kid is
going to be Japanese. I mean, that would be ludicrous.
I think to people who live in Japan, oh, that
happens every single day, thousands of times. In the United States.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I would say it's even worse than that, though, because
it would be if I if my wife and I
went to Japan, had a baby in Tokyo on vacation,
came back to America basically learned no Japanese whatsoever, and
then my son shows up in Tokyo in eighteen years
and says, I want to go to Tokyo University for free,
and I also want to sponsor my ten relatives to
(32:18):
come to your country. Because I'm as Japanese as support
o beer.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I was wondering what your analogy was going to be.
You pulled that out at the end. I couldn't say.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I couldn't say apple pie right American is apple Japanese
beer not bad?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
The team needs to fined. I did to my Japanese
interview on Superman. I don't know what ended up happening
with that. I got any email.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I have a double in Japanese by the way, because
that we need the clip of Clay dubbed in Japanese.
Because that will go. That will be fun, that will
be very good. I know it has aired.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
James Carey joined the United States Marine Corps after being
inspired by his grandfather, who also served our nation. James
loved being a marine, but his life would change forever.
During it training exercise, he lost consciousness nearly drowned. The
incident resulted in a brain injury that left James blind
and unable to use his body, susceptible to memory loss.
(33:10):
It even brought on dementia. The Tunnel of the Towers
Foundation built James a specially adapted smart home to help
him live more independently. Thanks to the generosity of friends,
like you, the lives of America's heroes and their families
are being improved. James Carrey and so many other service
members and first responders have paid a high price to
keep our country and our community safe. Through Tunnel the Towers.
(33:33):
Friends like you have said thank you, not only through words,
but through actions. America's heroes needs your help now more
than ever. Help heroes like James and their families. Donate
eleven dollars a month to Tunnel of the Towers at
T two t dot org. That's t the number two
t dot org news you can count on, and some
(33:53):
laughs too.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Clay Travis at Buck Sexton find them on the free
iHeartRadio app or where wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Tuesday edition of the program. Buck, you were
mentioning whether you could hit a one hundred mile an
hour pitch if you knew a fastball was coming, and
you were standing in the batter's box in.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
The Hundred's really fast, aren't they usually like eighty five?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
No, no, no, no, All these guys, all these starting pitchers
in the Major League Baseball can throw, I mean high
nineties for sure, and a lot of them can hit
one hundred. But I thought you would appreciate this. You
didn't see it yesterday in the home run derby a
kid They had like teenagers running around in the outfield,
boys and girls trying to catch fly balls during the
(34:44):
home run derby, which feels a little bit dangerous to me,
given out ripped some of these balls were nobody got
hit to my knowledge, But a kid stole a home
run in the home run Derby. He ran and leapt
and made it catch. Did you need to watch this video?
And I don't know how many of you saw this.
The field left field wall in Atlanta is a little
(35:07):
bit low, and this teenage kid made an unbelievable catch.
He stole what would have otherwise been a home run
during the home run derby by making a spectacular catch
over the wall. And maybe we can put this up
at clayanbuck dot com if you guys want to see it.
But it kind of tied into me a little bit,
(35:27):
like everybody sits around. If you were in the outfield
and you're a baseball player and you daydream you're like man,
I'd love to rob a home run, right, steal a
home run from going over the wall. You leap at
the perfect moment, catch it and bring it back on
the field to play. A teenage kid did that last
night during the live home Run Derby and created a
bit of a controversy because they had to go back
(35:49):
and reward the home run because you're not supposed to
be playing defense during the home run derby. But kid
couldn't turn off the skills. And so this kid has
gone megaviral for the play that he made. And it
reminded me when you were talking about trying to hit
a home run. That kid literally stole a home run
from a other otherwise major League Baseball player with millions
(36:11):
of people watching last night.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Wasn't there the guy who got in all the trouble
at was it a White Sox game or something or where.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
He caught.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Jeffrey Meyer reached over and stole a home run like
the Yankees won a game if I remember correctly, because
he had reached over the outfield.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Was the Cubs?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, that was Bartman. There's two different That's that's the negatives.
I'm getting my I'm getting my things confused, but I
think you're right.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
The Marlins were playing the Cubs and there was a
ball hit into The Cubs never won the World Series.
At that point, fan reaches out. Steve Bartman tries to
catch the ball boys of Sulu, isn't able to catch
the It turned into a huge story. We come back,
by the way. The craziest question you've heard in a
long time.
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show News
Hosts And Creators
Clay Travis
Buck Sexton
Show Links
WebsiteNewsletterPopular Podcasts
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.