July 18, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the political and cultural battlegrounds shaping America. The hour kicks off with a sharp critique of a Wall Street Journal article, dismissed as misleading, and transitions into a broader discussion on media manipulation and the White House's response, including remarks from Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt.
A major focus of this hour is Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard’s declassification of a 2016 Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB), which revealed that Russia did not impact the 2016 election results. Clay and Buck analyze how this contradicts years of mainstream media narratives and reinforce the idea that the Russia collusion story was a politically motivated hoax. They draw parallels to the ongoing Biden cognitive health coverup, emphasizing the psychological and political implications of media-driven misinformation.
The hosts also explore the weaponization of intelligence and the laundering of false narratives through partisan media outlets, highlighting how stories are strategically placed and then cited as independent reporting. This leads to speculation about whether similar tactics are being used to link President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein in an effort to derail his momentum.
In a lighter segment, the show shifts to Stephen Colbert’s announcement of the end of The Late Show, with Clay and Buck arguing that Colbert’s anti-Trump pivot contributed to the collapse of late-night television. They also discuss the defunding of PBS and NPR, advocating for a level playing field in the media marketplace.
The hour takes a humorous turn with a spirited debate over Clay Travis’s ability to swim from Alcatraz to the mainland, sparked by Riley Gaines’ successful swim while 31 weeks pregnant. The segment includes playful jabs from Sean Hannity and Gaines, with Clay pledging to complete the swim next year. The conversation touches on cold water endurance, shark fears, and the symbolic nature of Alcatraz, which President Trump is reportedly considering repurposing as a detention facility.
The hour concludes with a philosophical and political discussion on prison abolition, referencing leftist calls to eliminate prisons and police. Clay and Buck argue that such radical ideas are gaining traction and pose a threat to public safety, drawing a stark contrast with Trump’s law-and-order stance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of play and Buck kicks off right now,
last hour of the week. Everybody, thanks for rocking out
with us for as many days as you have, or
if you're just joining, welcome to the party.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Pal.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
We've got a lot to discuss with all of you here.
We talked about that Wall Street Journal story. It was crap,
so I think we can kind of leave it, leave
it there for now. Nothing really, nothing really worth reading
about or getting too deep into. But the White House
has responded to it and they've gotten into it. Caroline Levitt,
(00:32):
the White House Press Secretary, has some interesting things that
she has said in the last twenty four hours, which
we may dive into here to bring us up to speed.
I don't know how much more, Mom Donnie, we will
do today. Mom Donnie, the Kami, Will Trump send him
back to Mommy? Well, I guess it's not but Trump.
It's really up to Eric Adams, Cuomo Sliwa. Those guys
(00:55):
have got to figure out something, because all three of
them staying in means that Mam Donnie is the mayor.
But we'll get on that maybe another time. Immigration and
Customs enforcement stories to hit as well. But Clay had
something that just happened that he wanted to bring to
my attention. I don't even know what this one.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
This is like.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know when you pick like the Secret Square on
Hollywood Square or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I have no idea what's going to come out here?
What have you got for us?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So I want to get your reaction to this. This
is from Greg Price Tulsea Gabbert, who you met with
because they would not let me in the White House.
To refrain, they were like, look at this guy wearing
flip flops and the old executive office building and shorts.
What kind of a ruffian is he? To be fair,
(01:40):
I still do not have a real ID. They would
not allow me in the White House. I do have
a passport, so that's how I can get in. And
he was wearing a suit. To be fair, I just
like to throw shade go ahead.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I think a jacket.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I definitely got ripped for not wearing a full suit,
but it was nice pants and a jacket, which basically
is about as dressed up as I get anywhere. But
this is from Greg Price, d and I gabbered. I'm
reading his tweet. Greg does really good work. D and
I Gabbert just declassified a draft Presidential Daily Briefing. You
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used to be involved in some of these back in
the day, which is why I want to get PDBS. Yes,
I want to get your read on this from December eight,
twenty sixteen, in which Obama's Intel community assessed Russia did
not impact the twenty sixteen election, and I'm going to
read a opening here and I want to get your
(02:34):
take on it. We assess Russia and criminal actors did
not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities.
Russian government affiliated actors most likely compromised in Illinois voter
registration database and unsuccessfully attempted the same in other states.
(02:54):
Election monitoring and the type of systems targeted infrastructure not
used to count or votes make it highly unlikely it
would have resulted in altering any state's official vote result.
Criminal activity also failed to reach the scale and sophistication
necessary to change election outcomes. Possible government affiliated Russian actors
(03:16):
could have extracted voting data, but again, we don't think
Russia really.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Impacted the twenty sixteen election.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
This is significant, I think because they laundered this through
the media to create the idea of Trump as the
Manchurian candidate Vladimir Putin put his scale on the election.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That's why Trump won.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How would you assess what I just read to you
in your experience on the presidential Daily briefing? How important
would this lack? It's being declassified by Tulsi's team.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Would you tell me what you think about this? This
was supposedly from December eighth, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, it's useful.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I'm glad she's he classified it, but it goes in
the We already knew they were lying and it was
all a fabrication. So how much does this really do
to move the conversation or move perception? It's another data
point for something we already know. It doesn't change our mind.
It just solidifies what was already quite clear and has
(04:26):
been for years, which is that not only was Russia
unable to do anything meaningful to affect the twenty sixteen election,
but the Democrats knew that, didn't care, and lied about it.
So to me, Clay, it's a little bit like the
Biden dementia cover up stuff, except this is now going
back almost ten years. The dementia cover up still has
(04:50):
more psychological and therefore political importance. To the American people
because it was in the most recent election, and so
it doesn't tell anything we don't already know. For example,
if someone else just pleaded the fifth to your thesis
about them being worried about, maybe they are getting a
little bit worried. If there's a third now Biden White
(05:11):
House staffer who has pleaded the fifth, or it's come
out that he's pleted the fifth. So to me, is
it significant that there was a PDB in twenty sixteen. Yeah,
it would have been really significant from twenty sixteen to
twenty twenty, so we could have avoided the whole Russia
collusion absurdity, which which did hurt the country and was
used unfortunately somewhat effectively against the Trump administration. The process
(05:35):
is the punishment, you know, one of my favorite phrases.
But this, this is a little bit of yeah, of course,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
This is in the yeah of course file.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
The intelligence community was aware of this at some level,
and yet it was suppressed and Democrat partisans, the deep
state within decided to run publicly with a very different storyline.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I think that's maybe the biggest part here, And I
want to I feel a little bit sometimes on the show,
Like one of the things that we can provide particular
benefit to you on is you have the intelligence background,
which is why I wanted to ask you about the PDB,
something that I've never been involved in I and you're
you're involved in media as well, but from running media company,
(06:20):
running a media company, the degree to which and this
is something that even stunned me that I would not
have known beforehand, but seeing it, like what do they
always say, like people who have seen how the hot
dogs and the sausage is made would never eat it.
Like if you run a meat packing plant, you are
not excited when you get to a ballpark to say, hey,
(06:41):
give me a hot dog because you've seen like how
nasty it can be behind the scenes and what actual
is involved in a hot dog. That's kind of how
I feel about the media. And the thing that I
would say the general public doesn't understand enough is they
launder stories, even if they know they're not true, through
(07:03):
partisan hacks in the media, to then use to cite
for the truth of the matter. And that might sound
a little bit confusing, but it may once you start
to see it, you can't not see it. In other words,
It's one thing if they would come out and say, hey,
based on our background research, here's a video of candidate
(07:26):
X saying why they don't do that. That's actually way
more honest. Hey, Kamala said this, let me share it.
When they do that, it's very transparent. They will go
to the media and they'll say, hey, we're gonna hand
you this. Can you write it at the New York Times?
Can you write it at the Washington Post? And then
(07:47):
we're gonna cite your reporting as if we didn't create
it ourselves. They launder stories. And when I see this
with the d and I that now Tulsi is bringing out.
The really diabolical thing is when they launder stories that
they know are untrue. And here the entire Russia collusion.
(08:10):
This is Trump is one hundred percent right about this,
and yet we still haven't had a lot of accountability. Frankly,
any based on these documents that are coming out, they
knew that Russia didn't somehow rig the twenty sixteen election.
I have told you on this program, we bought Facebook ads.
I ran a media company. Facebook ads are expensive. Some
(08:32):
of you out there have small businesses. You bought Facebook ads?
If I could spend one hundred thousand dollars and turn
my business into a billion dollar business. It would be
the most effective ad campaign of history. If Russia could
spend one hundred thousand dollars when people are spending billions
and swing the election, it would be the most influential
(08:53):
intelligence by in the history of mankind. It didn't happen.
They laundered this through people who should know better, a lie,
and they basically tried to destroy the entire first Trump
term over it. My reason why I bring this up.
Are they trying to do the same thing with Epstein?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
When I saw that Washington, this Wall Street Journal story,
it actually made me think. We talked about it some
in the first hour. Trump was criticized for saying this
is the Russia collusion hoax all over again. But I
think when you look at it in retrospect, he knew
this story was coming, and now they're going to try
to attach him to Epstein in a way to knock
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his momentum down even if they know it's not true.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Is there a connection there? Can we learn from history
and think about what they're attempting to do. Now, I
think that's a.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Really to me prescient analysis that you could be putting
in place here thinking about what they did before.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
We are reminded.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Though of the line from Omar in the Wire, if
you come at the king, best not miss.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
They have come at the King many times.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Including shooting at him as we as we know, and
have missed or in that case well missed by enough
that he's okay. But they've come at him legally, they've
come at him medically, they've come at him spiritually.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I mean, they've thrown everything at Trump.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So I would say this Clay, even if if what
you're saying is true, and maybe it is, maybe there
are elements now that are realizing because one thing about
this is they can't take Trump down. They know they
can't take Trump down while he has Maga behind him.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
It just doesn't work. They cannot separate.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They can't. They're attack. It doesn't matter what they say.
They will not take Maga away from the Trump side
of the equation. They think maybe on this one they
can create some daylight, or they can you know, get
into those fissures, they can exploit the gaps. But I
would say the other side of this is they've they've
(10:59):
throw own so much of Trump so many times that
I think that the likelihood is this all just gets filtered.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
This gets filtered.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Through the Yeah, another time they're trying to smear this guy.
Another time they're trying to manufacture something to create some
delusion here and use it.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
For political ends.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And I think that MAGA has seen it too many
times and they're not about to fall for it.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's that's my real sense of it. Well, I second
question for you President's daily briefing. To be fair, I
think I said this was like December eighth, twenty sixteen.
The daily briefing can change based on what the intelligence shows, right,
so you could give I'm guessing you tell me the
briefing on December eighth could be very different than the
(11:46):
briefing that you get on December fifteenth. Is that fair
to say? Because the intelligence gathering can continue to shift.
So maybe there is some report out there where they said, hey,
we do think Russia had a more impactful but we're not.
Do you want me to put my Do you want
me to put my little cip aurocrat had on for
a second, Paul, this is Clay. This PDB is just
a snapshot in time. There was more information, more intelligence
(12:08):
that came in raw intelligence that after it was further
verified and analyzed, was much more substantively pointed in the
direction of Russia interference, you know, I you know, oh,
the interagency process and we were doing our coordination, we
were looking at the various various verticals here of where
this intelligence was coming from, and with our source verification,
we came to the conclusion that you know, they'll just
(12:31):
talk you in circles, man, I mean, they'll come up
with whatever whatever they want to say. At the end
of the sentence was the conclusion, they'll find a way
to get there, trust me. So that's the other part
of this too. This is a data point that they
will say is among many. You know, just look at
what they've said. Oh my gosh, George Bush, you didn't
do anything about bin Laden determined to attack in the US. Well,
(12:52):
that's a pretty broad thing, everybody. It's a big country. Yeah,
and it's a long time to just know that somebody
wants to hit you, Like if I somebody, Hey, there's
a guy out there, and one day he's going to
walk up to you and punch you. Okay, when where
how So, there's a lot of ways to manipulate the
the the PDB as the snapshot in time depending on
(13:15):
which way you want to go when you do. And
I've briefed the PDB to the presidents, so trust me,
I know when you just did the bureaucrat double triple
speak there.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's just I hate you. Your head hurt. You were
my head hurt. I hate meetings.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Anytime somebody's like, hey, can we get together for a No,
I don't want to meet on anything.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
If you can't text it to me, I don't need
to know it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I just I think the meetings almost always.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Are a colossal waste of time if you actually do
something for it, Like do they have meetings at mechanic shops,
Like like, hey, we got cars to fix, but first
let's have a meeting where we sit around. Do they
have lots of construction meetings if you actually build something.
To me, meetings are almost all always worthless or fix something,
(14:02):
or are constructive in any way towards making something that
didn't exist before. I just I might be the most
anti meeting person on the planet. And all I see
every time I walk into a government building, I'm like,
it makes the hair stand up and not a good
way where I'm like, they have so many meetings here.
I just I cannot imagine having meetings all the time.
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Speaker 3 (15:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Stephen Colbert also canceled. We've been having some fun with that.
Here he here he is. We didn't play this right.
I just want to make sure here he is cut
sixteen announcing next year.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It's all done next May.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Listen, before we start the show, I want to let
you know something that I found out just last night.
Next year will be our last season. The network will
be ending the Late Show in May.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And yeah, I share your feelings. It's not just.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The end of our show, but it's the end of
the Late Show on CBS. I'm not being replaced. This
is all just going away. And I do want to
say I do want to say that the folks at
CBS have been great partners. I'm so grateful to the
Tiffany Network for giving me this chair and this beautiful
theater to call home.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Okay, he killed the late shown.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He killed it only show, not only his show. I
think he destroyed late night television. I think that is
his legacy because he had success in the first Trump
term just turning his show into left wing anti Trump propaganda,
and everybody followed him because the initial ratings suggested that's
(17:05):
what they should do. I think the similar thing happened
at CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post. They
destroyed themselves on the rock of Trump. They dashed their
own brains out, and I just I don't know that
it comes back. I was thinking about this during the
commercial break we had at the end of the hour.
I love late night television. I like the idea of
(17:27):
comedians making everybody laugh by ridiculing and lampooning everybody across
the entire political and racial and sexuality, whatever spectrum there is.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Can it come back? Can it ever come back?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I don't know. I don't think it would have died,
certainly not now, but for Stephen Colbert's destruction of this
Trump destroyed his entire existence as a show. I really
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(19:03):
we shot them all. But carrier pigeons are still around
and out of nowhere. Producer Greg attaches to the pigeon's
little leg little scroll. The scroll lands on my desk,
and it tells me that. On the Sean Hannity television program,
Riley Gaines, is steamed swimmer, patriot and defender of women
(19:28):
in sports, decided that she was going to just splash
a cannon ball, if you will, writ in Clay's face
on Sean Hannity's show. In the discussion about whether mister
Clay Travis would make it from Alcatraz to shore in
one piece our own, Riley gains not holding back at all,
(19:50):
not even waiting for the starter's pistol dove right in
This Is twenty seven play it.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Are you going to swim to Alcatraz? Yes?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I'm actually in San Francisco right now tomorrow. I wanted
to prove the theory can we escape Alcatraz personally? Look,
I did this last year. Actually, granted I was not
nearly thirty one weeks pregnant at the time.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I did.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Let me tell you, Sean, more so than I'm scared
of the sharks or any of the current or anything else.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
It is so cold.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
So do I think prisoners have escaped? No chance. Clay
Travis was actually just on with Jesse Waters he thinks
he could escape. I don't think so at all. I
think Clay Travis quite quite frankly, would drown if he
tried to escape Alcatraz.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
But I'm doing it tomorrow. I will keep you updated.
Oh wow, I think I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I think every bet I've had Travis, I win, and
I'm putting all my money on you making it and
him failing dramatically and him having to be saved by
the boat that's hopefully following behind him with.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
The flying elbow off the top rope. I don't even know. Oh,
Sean was gonna throw you down like that.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
That's like the most popular show in America. First of all,
I hadn't seen that. Riley actually texted me and told me, hey,
I just obliterated you on Hannity, and I was like,
send me the link, and I had it seen it,
and I had totally forgotten about it. And I don't
know that I've been tagged in this producer, Greg, you
can certainly share that. I mean, I think that I
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would I'm gonna have to swim it. I'm gonna have
to swim it. And maybe Sean needs to be in
the boat, like watching reporting minute by minute. Oh, I
would get in the launch boat alongside. It would be
the safety boat to make sure when you start to drown,
we'll pull you out, and Sean can just be there
with the bullhorn trying to motivate you. He is right
that I've had some bad bets with Sean. I think
(21:45):
I owe Sean like a thousand dollars on sports bets
over the year. He hasn't tried to collect yet, and
so I've been trying to avoid him because I don't
have a lot of cash on me all the time,
so I don't want him to bankrupt me there. But
I didn't even know that I had been just attacked
so savagely on Fox News last night. And speaking of Alcatraz,
there's alligator Alcatraz, which we've been discussing talked a little
(22:07):
about yesterday here in Florida, South Florida, where they're holding
migrants and now or illegal aliens. We should start to
use the proper term again now in actual Alcatraz. Trump
just sent some senior officials there. They really are trying
to use this facility again, if I understand it correctly,
ag BONDI was there yesterday along with Secretary of the
(22:30):
Interior Doug Burgham. So I think on the org chart
Alcatraz would be under the viewership and auspices of Doug
Bergham and so which, by the way, since I often
have brilliant ideas, I need to text Doug and suggest
my national monument at Butler if you missed it earlier.
(22:51):
Dave McCormick, Senator from Pennsylvania, was on. He liked that idea.
I didn't even think about textan this's a good idea.
I'm mean to text Doug Burgham because I think he
actually has the ability to help to declare what is
and is not a national monument, because that's under his
purview in the Cabinet. But yeah, the reports are I
was reading this morning that it's going to cost a
billion dollars to retrofit or more, but that Trump wants
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the symbolic nature of Alcatraz as a prison. That is
obviously an efficient and effective prison because of the distance
which I could easily swim between Alcatraz and San Francisco
Bay and that he's going to go through with it,
and he wants to do it quickly. Now the challenge
is it's hard. I would imagine many of you out
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there in California know it's typically hard to get things
built very rapidly in the state of California, and I
would imagine Trump would want this complete before we actually
get to the end of his term. But as a
monument to symbolic edifice, to reflect American embrace of prisons,
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which is the exact opposite, we should play this because
I do think it's a cultural disconnect. Our boy, Mom,
Donnie the Kami, did you see this book? Because I
can tie it in with the Alcatraz He says he
doesn't even understand the purpose of prisons and that he
doesn't think they should exist. We have that audio, but
I think it's a perfect contrast with what Trump is
attempting to do, not only symbolically but also from a
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prison perspective with Alcatraz.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Listen, are prisons obsolete?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Coming through with the quotes, through with the titles of
the books, I have to read that. Actually I haven't
read that as yet, but I think that frankly, I mean,
what pers do they serve, right.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I think we have to ask ourselves that.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Okay, okay, can I can I walk everybody through this
for a second real quick, because I think this is important.
So it was deep diving into this back in the
days of BLM two point zero, the George Floyd riots
and all of that, the defund which they walked away
from because it was politically a hugely you know, soon
after the riots happened. It was a hugely unpopular idea
(25:01):
and it's a crazy idea. Defund police Clay is not
the actual end that the Left seeks in this country
when it comes to the criminal justice system. They want
the abolition of police and the abolition of prison, prisons.
Abolished prisons and abolished police is what the true activist
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left seeks as their goal for the criminal justice system
in this country. And they shase and they choose that
term abolition specifically because they are trying to tie it
to the morally righteous crusade of abolishing slavery in this country.
So they choose that word very intentionally, right, Oh, it's abolition, abolition.
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When when you refer to somebody historically this country is
an abolitionist, they're they're on the right side of history.
They're a hero, they're a good person. When you hear
about abolished prisons, you would generally think this person is insane.
That is what the left actually believes in. Mamdani as
a leftist, as a COMMI thinks that we need to
get to a place where there are no more prisons.
(26:05):
And also they're no more police, they are just social workers.
We'll see how that goes for everybody. You guys have
seen like the Batman movies where where you know Arkham
Asylum gets or the cartoon the actual comic strip or
Arkham Asylum is let open and the whole city turns
into chaos and bedlam. Yes, yeah, this is actually what
(26:25):
they want. And again this is why I said yesterday,
I think we should let the rest of the nation COMMI,
mom dommy win and then unfortunately, as a great swimmer,
I understand that some of you are not great swimmers.
Some of metaphorically New York would have to drown in crime,
(26:46):
but we would potentially win the House of Representatives back.
It's sad, but sometimes you got to leave a guy behind.
Sometimes you do have to leave a man behind. I
understand the general rule is no man left behind, but
caveat if you know I I think Riley Gaines and
Sean Hannit, you're going to leave you behind if you
can't make the Alcatraz swim. I think they made that
one clear as well. First of all, by the way,
(27:09):
that's you, I'm just accidentally hit you on the on
the You should go subscribe to the Clay and Buck feed.
But Riley just tweeted that she completed the swim. She
is thirty one weeks pregnant with a baby girl, soon
to be a mom, and she just completed I'm just
scrolling through Twitter while I was talking to you, while
I was dealing with the scurriless attacks levied against me
(27:31):
by both Sean Hannity and Riley Gaines. And I have
made a pledge, and it is important pledge. I am
going to swim Next year when they have the Escape
from Alcatraz swim, I'm going to escape from Alcatraz. They
have a yearly thing where they do it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Literally.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I think this is what Riley was doing next year
at this time. I am going to make the swim.
I'm going to do it, and I'm going to do
it on behalf of all the haters. All the doubters,
of whom there are many, Riley Shawn, this is.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
A good This is a good show. Audience really enjoys it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't know if we gotta we gotta do like
a daily eulogy for the the fuck and the guy
formerly known as Klay Travis until a great White shark
ate him show, Like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Know if we need to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I would be thinking to myself, there are way too
many people rooting. I don't think there's that many people
that would root for me to drown some I think
there's a lot of people that would root for me
to get eaten by a shark. I think that they
would think that there is some poetic justice in, you know,
giving all my animal talk over the years, me getting
eaten by a shark. So I would be a little
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bit nervous because it's a not a good way to go.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
You're really gonna do this, I think you're gonna try it.
I think I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I mean, you can always doggy paddle, you know, you
could go slow and eventually you'll make it. You might
end up in Oakland or something, because it occurrence will
take you pretty far, but you know Oakland is at
least on land. I'm way more nervous about getting swept
out to the Pacific. You know, my my corpse ending
up in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I can't let you do this.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I gotta get out and now, obviously I'm gonna be
there in the stands, or even better, I'll be in
one of those launch boats, nice and warm. I'll probably
have some hot cocoa in my hands, and I'll just
be yelling at Clay. What are the yells of the
sled dogs, mush mush? I would on the face Sean
Hannity just immediately assume that I would drown.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I mean, he's never seen me swim, Like he just
has no faith whatsoever in me. I mean to hesitate.
Sean didn't hesitate at all, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Like he just took the measure of your swimming ability.
And he he's an honest guy, man. He couldn't hold back.
He decided you weren't. You weren't didn't have the necessary buoyancy.
I've definitely got the buoyancy. Like I've got too much
buoyancy right now. I need to lose some buoyancy. So
I need about a ten or twelve pounds off the body.
(29:55):
But right now I think I would just float.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I think I was. You got to keep that. That's
brown fat.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
You gotta keep. You know, it's like the deep layer fat.
You want that. That's insulation and buoyancy. You don't want to.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Lose I do.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I am a little bit nervous about how cold the
water is because I was just up in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
And that water is cold.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And I definitely think that that jumping in and being
in there for a few hours, which probably how long
it would take me to swim. I'm more concerned other
than the shark attack of potentially dying of hypothermia. I
don't know how long it took Riley, but I think
it would take me. A whole lot of people watching
this this swim, I don't I don't think they just
like let people out there, and and they do. But
(30:34):
what I'm saying is that most of those people are
able to swim rapidly. I don't know what the rule
is for how long you can be in super supremely
cold water without hypothermia setting in. You know what's gonna
end up happening, and it's gonna be a great moment
for women in sports. You're gonna have to like wrap
your arm around Riley's shoulder and she's gonna like tow
you in. You know, she's gonna Riley's gonna pull pull
(30:57):
your ass into shore because that that's the kind of
gal she is.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Because you're gonna walk a ride medium halfway through.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
While eight months pregnant, she's got a baby, and she's
got me on her back, like just kind of swimming across.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Pregnant lady, Pregnant lady saves Clay Travis from from drowning
and charity swim is the headline we all need to see.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That headline would probably do numbers. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It probably would. We'll take some of your car We'll
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The week Sundays at noon Eastern.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get
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America is filled with haters. In fact, this text I
just received from my ten year old, this is nash
(33:03):
Unlike the haters I believe in. You don't give up
and practice. There you go, that's what you want to hear.
Everybody else doesn't have my back. Ten year old. He's like,
dad's got this to be fair. This all started when
I took my seventeen year old to Alcatraz. We were
(33:23):
on a visit to San Francisco looking at colleges all
over the place, and we were standing there looking at
out across San Francisco Bay and I said, I think
I can make the swim, and my seventeen year old said, no, no, no, no, Dad,
you would drown. And then we argued about whether or
not I could make the swim. That's legitimately where all
this started. But I've always thought my ten year old
was smarter than my seventeen year old, and he's right,
(33:46):
I would make that swim, and I'm going to train
and I'm gonna make it happen, and I might. Now
I feel like I need to train and make it happen.
So I don't even know how you train for a
swim that long, by the way, like I think, because
I'm a lot. Yeah, but in a pool or do
you go to a lake? Is there a I mean,
if you ran like I did a half marathon, it
(34:09):
was miserable. It turns out to run a marathon, which
is not fun. You also have to spend a lot
of time training to run the marathon, which is even
less fun. But it's easy right in theory. You know,
there's lots of places you could run long distances. Here's
the way running works. You just start like Forrest Gump,
and then at some point you can just stop. And
(34:31):
it's miserable. And my argument, which always gets the runners angry,
is I think running is for people with really low
self esteem because they're like, I don't know if I
can do this. Oh look how far I ran. I
Oprah ran a marathon. I am more athletic than Oprah.
There's no doubt in my mind that I could run
a marathon. The problem with running a marathon is you
(34:52):
have to train for it for a long time. But
there's lots of places you could train. How do you
train to swim like a mile and a half. Do
you even I mean, I guess you could do like
one hundred laps in the pool.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
You get any ocean and you swim, But how do
you know.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
How far an ocean distance is? Well, I mean you can,
like I'm thinking about in Miami Beach, for example, you
start in front of one hotel basically, and you swim
down to South Point Park or something and you look
at the on the GPS and you can calculate it.
But there's tides that like, is water distance impacted? Like,
(35:28):
it feels way more complicated. My my wife, this is fun, Copernicus.
We could calculate this, all right, This isn't that bad.
My wife is of the opinion that I would drown.
And we were in the Bahamas. She had me swim
a decent distance and I don't even know if I
talked about this on the air. She was like, moron,
you are going to drown. I want you to swim
(35:49):
in the bay all this distance. And so I was
doing the backstroke. She had no confidence that I could
do it, and I did it pretty easily. Because again
I'm not saying I'm a great I'm just saying as
long as I didn't drown, I would end up on
the shore. This is the thing that people don't understand, Like,
if you swim long enough.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Eventually you get to where you need to go. I
can do it all right, Well, there we go. I
like where your head's out on this one.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And by the way, this is up on the Sunday Hang.
We had some fun with this. Producer Ali said, there's
lots of fun stuff. If you're on the road, go
subscribe to the podcast. Lots of fun Sunday Hang things.
I hate you Sean Hannity. I also hate you Riley Gaines.
You're off the Christmas card list. I just don't want
to be clear. Carrie insists that I go and make
(36:38):
sure that you don't drown, and so then Laura can
be certain that I will make sure you don't drown.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Off of off the dround
Third hour of play and Buck kicks off right now,
last hour of the week. Everybody, thanks for rocking out
with us for as many days as you have, or
if you're just joining, welcome to the party.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Pal.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
We've got a lot to discuss with all of you here.
We talked about that Wall Street Journal story. It was crap,
so I think we can kind of leave it, leave
it there for now. Nothing really, nothing really worth reading
about or getting too deep into. But the White House
has responded to it and they've gotten into it. Caroline Levitt,
(00:32):
the White House Press Secretary, has some interesting things that
she has said in the last twenty four hours, which
we may dive into here to bring us up to speed.
I don't know how much more, Mom Donnie, we will
do today. Mom Donnie, the Kami, Will Trump send him
back to Mommy? Well, I guess it's not but Trump.
It's really up to Eric Adams, Cuomo Sliwa. Those guys
(00:55):
have got to figure out something, because all three of
them staying in means that Mam Donnie is the mayor.
But we'll get on that maybe another time. Immigration and
Customs enforcement stories to hit as well. But Clay had
something that just happened that he wanted to bring to
my attention. I don't even know what this one.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
This is like.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know when you pick like the Secret Square on
Hollywood Square or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I have no idea what's going to come out here?
What have you got for us?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So I want to get your reaction to this. This
is from Greg Price Tulsea Gabbert, who you met with
because they would not let me in the White House.
To refrain, they were like, look at this guy wearing
flip flops and the old executive office building and shorts.
What kind of a ruffian is he? To be fair,
(01:40):
I still do not have a real ID. They would
not allow me in the White House. I do have
a passport, so that's how I can get in. And
he was wearing a suit. To be fair, I just
like to throw shade go ahead.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I think a jacket.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I definitely got ripped for not wearing a full suit,
but it was nice pants and a jacket, which basically
is about as dressed up as I get anywhere. But
this is from Greg Price, d and I gabbered. I'm
reading his tweet. Greg does really good work. D and
I Gabbert just declassified a draft Presidential Daily Briefing. You
(02:13):
used to be involved in some of these back in
the day, which is why I want to get PDBS. Yes,
I want to get your read on this from December eight,
twenty sixteen, in which Obama's Intel community assessed Russia did
not impact the twenty sixteen election, and I'm going to
read a opening here and I want to get your
(02:34):
take on it. We assess Russia and criminal actors did
not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities.
Russian government affiliated actors most likely compromised in Illinois voter
registration database and unsuccessfully attempted the same in other states.
(02:54):
Election monitoring and the type of systems targeted infrastructure not
used to count or votes make it highly unlikely it
would have resulted in altering any state's official vote result.
Criminal activity also failed to reach the scale and sophistication
necessary to change election outcomes. Possible government affiliated Russian actors
(03:16):
could have extracted voting data, but again, we don't think
Russia really.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Impacted the twenty sixteen election.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
This is significant, I think because they laundered this through
the media to create the idea of Trump as the
Manchurian candidate Vladimir Putin put his scale on the election.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That's why Trump won.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How would you assess what I just read to you
in your experience on the presidential Daily briefing? How important
would this lack? It's being declassified by Tulsi's team.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Would you tell me what you think about this? This
was supposedly from December eighth, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, it's useful.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I'm glad she's he classified it, but it goes in
the We already knew they were lying and it was
all a fabrication. So how much does this really do
to move the conversation or move perception? It's another data
point for something we already know. It doesn't change our mind.
It just solidifies what was already quite clear and has
(04:26):
been for years, which is that not only was Russia
unable to do anything meaningful to affect the twenty sixteen election,
but the Democrats knew that, didn't care, and lied about it.
So to me, Clay, it's a little bit like the
Biden dementia cover up stuff, except this is now going
back almost ten years. The dementia cover up still has
(04:50):
more psychological and therefore political importance. To the American people
because it was in the most recent election, and so
it doesn't tell anything we don't already know. For example,
if someone else just pleaded the fifth to your thesis
about them being worried about, maybe they are getting a
little bit worried. If there's a third now Biden White
(05:11):
House staffer who has pleaded the fifth, or it's come
out that he's pleted the fifth. So to me, is
it significant that there was a PDB in twenty sixteen. Yeah,
it would have been really significant from twenty sixteen to
twenty twenty, so we could have avoided the whole Russia
collusion absurdity, which which did hurt the country and was
used unfortunately somewhat effectively against the Trump administration. The process
(05:35):
is the punishment, you know, one of my favorite phrases.
But this, this is a little bit of yeah, of course,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
This is in the yeah of course file.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
The intelligence community was aware of this at some level,
and yet it was suppressed and Democrat partisans, the deep
state within decided to run publicly with a very different storyline.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I think that's maybe the biggest part here, And I
want to I feel a little bit sometimes on the show,
Like one of the things that we can provide particular
benefit to you on is you have the intelligence background,
which is why I wanted to ask you about the PDB,
something that I've never been involved in I and you're
you're involved in media as well, but from running media company,
(06:20):
running a media company, the degree to which and this
is something that even stunned me that I would not
have known beforehand, but seeing it, like what do they
always say, like people who have seen how the hot
dogs and the sausage is made would never eat it.
Like if you run a meat packing plant, you are
not excited when you get to a ballpark to say, hey,
(06:41):
give me a hot dog because you've seen like how
nasty it can be behind the scenes and what actual
is involved in a hot dog. That's kind of how
I feel about the media. And the thing that I
would say the general public doesn't understand enough is they
launder stories, even if they know they're not true, through
(07:03):
partisan hacks in the media, to then use to cite
for the truth of the matter. And that might sound
a little bit confusing, but it may once you start
to see it, you can't not see it. In other words,
It's one thing if they would come out and say, hey,
based on our background research, here's a video of candidate
(07:26):
X saying why they don't do that. That's actually way
more honest. Hey, Kamala said this, let me share it.
When they do that, it's very transparent. They will go
to the media and they'll say, hey, we're gonna hand
you this. Can you write it at the New York Times?
Can you write it at the Washington Post? And then
(07:47):
we're gonna cite your reporting as if we didn't create
it ourselves. They launder stories. And when I see this
with the d and I that now Tulsi is bringing out.
The really diabolical thing is when they launder stories that
they know are untrue. And here the entire Russia collusion.
(08:10):
This is Trump is one hundred percent right about this,
and yet we still haven't had a lot of accountability. Frankly,
any based on these documents that are coming out, they
knew that Russia didn't somehow rig the twenty sixteen election.
I have told you on this program, we bought Facebook ads.
I ran a media company. Facebook ads are expensive. Some
(08:32):
of you out there have small businesses. You bought Facebook ads?
If I could spend one hundred thousand dollars and turn
my business into a billion dollar business. It would be
the most effective ad campaign of history. If Russia could
spend one hundred thousand dollars when people are spending billions
and swing the election, it would be the most influential
(08:53):
intelligence by in the history of mankind. It didn't happen.
They laundered this through people who should know better, a lie,
and they basically tried to destroy the entire first Trump
term over it. My reason why I bring this up.
Are they trying to do the same thing with Epstein?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
When I saw that Washington, this Wall Street Journal story,
it actually made me think. We talked about it some
in the first hour. Trump was criticized for saying this
is the Russia collusion hoax all over again. But I
think when you look at it in retrospect, he knew
this story was coming, and now they're going to try
to attach him to Epstein in a way to knock
(09:33):
his momentum down even if they know it's not true.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Is there a connection there? Can we learn from history
and think about what they're attempting to do. Now, I
think that's a.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Really to me prescient analysis that you could be putting
in place here thinking about what they did before.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
We are reminded.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Though of the line from Omar in the Wire, if
you come at the king, best not miss.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
They have come at the King many times.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Including shooting at him as we as we know, and
have missed or in that case well missed by enough
that he's okay. But they've come at him legally, they've
come at him medically, they've come at him spiritually.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I mean, they've thrown everything at Trump.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So I would say this Clay, even if if what
you're saying is true, and maybe it is, maybe there
are elements now that are realizing because one thing about
this is they can't take Trump down. They know they
can't take Trump down while he has Maga behind him.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
It just doesn't work. They cannot separate.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They can't. They're attack. It doesn't matter what they say.
They will not take Maga away from the Trump side
of the equation. They think maybe on this one they
can create some daylight, or they can you know, get
into those fissures, they can exploit the gaps. But I
would say the other side of this is they've they've
(10:59):
throw own so much of Trump so many times that
I think that the likelihood is this all just gets filtered.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
This gets filtered.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Through the Yeah, another time they're trying to smear this guy.
Another time they're trying to manufacture something to create some
delusion here and use it.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
For political ends.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And I think that MAGA has seen it too many
times and they're not about to fall for it.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's that's my real sense of it. Well, I second
question for you President's daily briefing. To be fair, I
think I said this was like December eighth, twenty sixteen.
The daily briefing can change based on what the intelligence shows, right,
so you could give I'm guessing you tell me the
briefing on December eighth could be very different than the
(11:46):
briefing that you get on December fifteenth. Is that fair
to say? Because the intelligence gathering can continue to shift.
So maybe there is some report out there where they said, hey,
we do think Russia had a more impactful but we're not.
Do you want me to put my Do you want
me to put my little cip aurocrat had on for
a second, Paul, this is Clay. This PDB is just
a snapshot in time. There was more information, more intelligence
(12:08):
that came in raw intelligence that after it was further
verified and analyzed, was much more substantively pointed in the
direction of Russia interference, you know, I you know, oh,
the interagency process and we were doing our coordination, we
were looking at the various various verticals here of where
this intelligence was coming from, and with our source verification,
we came to the conclusion that you know, they'll just
(12:31):
talk you in circles, man, I mean, they'll come up
with whatever whatever they want to say. At the end
of the sentence was the conclusion, they'll find a way
to get there, trust me. So that's the other part
of this too. This is a data point that they
will say is among many. You know, just look at
what they've said. Oh my gosh, George Bush, you didn't
do anything about bin Laden determined to attack in the US. Well,
(12:52):
that's a pretty broad thing, everybody. It's a big country. Yeah,
and it's a long time to just know that somebody
wants to hit you, Like if I somebody, Hey, there's
a guy out there, and one day he's going to
walk up to you and punch you. Okay, when where
how So, there's a lot of ways to manipulate the
the the PDB as the snapshot in time depending on
(13:15):
which way you want to go when you do. And
I've briefed the PDB to the presidents, so trust me,
I know when you just did the bureaucrat double triple
speak there.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's just I hate you. Your head hurt. You were
my head hurt. I hate meetings.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Anytime somebody's like, hey, can we get together for a No,
I don't want to meet on anything.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
If you can't text it to me, I don't need
to know it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I just I think the meetings almost always.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Are a colossal waste of time if you actually do
something for it, Like do they have meetings at mechanic shops,
Like like, hey, we got cars to fix, but first
let's have a meeting where we sit around. Do they
have lots of construction meetings if you actually build something.
To me, meetings are almost all always worthless or fix something,
(14:02):
or are constructive in any way towards making something that
didn't exist before. I just I might be the most
anti meeting person on the planet. And all I see
every time I walk into a government building, I'm like,
it makes the hair stand up and not a good
way where I'm like, they have so many meetings here.
I just I cannot imagine having meetings all the time.
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Speaker 1 (15:47):
Stephen Colbert also canceled. We've been having some fun with that.
Here he here he is. We didn't play this right.
I just want to make sure here he is cut
sixteen announcing next year.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It's all done next May.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Listen, before we start the show, I want to let
you know something that I found out just last night.
Next year will be our last season. The network will
be ending the Late Show in May.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And yeah, I share your feelings. It's not just.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The end of our show, but it's the end of
the Late Show on CBS. I'm not being replaced. This
is all just going away. And I do want to
say I do want to say that the folks at
CBS have been great partners. I'm so grateful to the
Tiffany Network for giving me this chair and this beautiful
theater to call home.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Okay, he killed the late shown.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He killed it only show, not only his show. I
think he destroyed late night television. I think that is
his legacy because he had success in the first Trump
term just turning his show into left wing anti Trump propaganda,
and everybody followed him because the initial ratings suggested that's
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what they should do. I think the similar thing happened
at CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post. They
destroyed themselves on the rock of Trump. They dashed their
own brains out, and I just I don't know that
it comes back. I was thinking about this during the
commercial break we had at the end of the hour.
I love late night television. I like the idea of
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comedians making everybody laugh by ridiculing and lampooning everybody across
the entire political and racial and sexuality, whatever spectrum there is.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Can it come back? Can it ever come back?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I don't know. I don't think it would have died,
certainly not now, but for Stephen Colbert's destruction of this
Trump destroyed his entire existence as a show. I really
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it's delivered by a passion, your pigeon or a carrier
pigeon rather passenger pigeons. I think those all went extinctcause
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we shot them all. But carrier pigeons are still around
and out of nowhere. Producer Greg attaches to the pigeon's
little leg little scroll. The scroll lands on my desk,
and it tells me that. On the Sean Hannity television program,
Riley Gaines, is steamed swimmer, patriot and defender of women
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in sports, decided that she was going to just splash
a cannon ball, if you will, writ in Clay's face
on Sean Hannity's show. In the discussion about whether mister
Clay Travis would make it from Alcatraz to shore in
one piece our own, Riley gains not holding back at all,
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not even waiting for the starter's pistol dove right in
This Is twenty seven play it.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Are you going to swim to Alcatraz? Yes?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I'm actually in San Francisco right now tomorrow. I wanted
to prove the theory can we escape Alcatraz personally? Look,
I did this last year. Actually, granted I was not
nearly thirty one weeks pregnant at the time.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I did.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Let me tell you, Sean, more so than I'm scared
of the sharks or any of the current or anything else.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
It is so cold.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
So do I think prisoners have escaped? No chance. Clay
Travis was actually just on with Jesse Waters he thinks
he could escape. I don't think so at all. I
think Clay Travis quite quite frankly, would drown if he
tried to escape Alcatraz.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
But I'm doing it tomorrow. I will keep you updated.
Oh wow, I think I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I think every bet I've had Travis, I win, and
I'm putting all my money on you making it and
him failing dramatically and him having to be saved by
the boat that's hopefully following behind him with.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
The flying elbow off the top rope. I don't even know. Oh,
Sean was gonna throw you down like that.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
That's like the most popular show in America. First of all,
I hadn't seen that. Riley actually texted me and told me, hey,
I just obliterated you on Hannity, and I was like,
send me the link, and I had it seen it,
and I had totally forgotten about it. And I don't
know that I've been tagged in this producer, Greg, you
can certainly share that. I mean, I think that I
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would I'm gonna have to swim it. I'm gonna have
to swim it. And maybe Sean needs to be in
the boat, like watching reporting minute by minute. Oh, I
would get in the launch boat alongside. It would be
the safety boat to make sure when you start to drown,
we'll pull you out, and Sean can just be there
with the bullhorn trying to motivate you. He is right
that I've had some bad bets with Sean. I think
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I owe Sean like a thousand dollars on sports bets
over the year. He hasn't tried to collect yet, and
so I've been trying to avoid him because I don't
have a lot of cash on me all the time,
so I don't want him to bankrupt me there. But
I didn't even know that I had been just attacked
so savagely on Fox News last night. And speaking of Alcatraz,
there's alligator Alcatraz, which we've been discussing talked a little
(22:07):
about yesterday here in Florida, South Florida, where they're holding
migrants and now or illegal aliens. We should start to
use the proper term again now in actual Alcatraz. Trump
just sent some senior officials there. They really are trying
to use this facility again, if I understand it correctly,
ag BONDI was there yesterday along with Secretary of the
(22:30):
Interior Doug Burgham. So I think on the org chart
Alcatraz would be under the viewership and auspices of Doug
Bergham and so which, by the way, since I often
have brilliant ideas, I need to text Doug and suggest
my national monument at Butler if you missed it earlier.
(22:51):
Dave McCormick, Senator from Pennsylvania, was on. He liked that idea.
I didn't even think about textan this's a good idea.
I'm mean to text Doug Burgham because I think he
actually has the ability to help to declare what is
and is not a national monument, because that's under his
purview in the Cabinet. But yeah, the reports are I
was reading this morning that it's going to cost a
billion dollars to retrofit or more, but that Trump wants
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the symbolic nature of Alcatraz as a prison. That is
obviously an efficient and effective prison because of the distance
which I could easily swim between Alcatraz and San Francisco
Bay and that he's going to go through with it,
and he wants to do it quickly. Now the challenge
is it's hard. I would imagine many of you out
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there in California know it's typically hard to get things
built very rapidly in the state of California, and I
would imagine Trump would want this complete before we actually
get to the end of his term. But as a
monument to symbolic edifice, to reflect American embrace of prisons,
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which is the exact opposite, we should play this because
I do think it's a cultural disconnect. Our boy, Mom,
Donnie the Kami, did you see this book? Because I
can tie it in with the Alcatraz He says he
doesn't even understand the purpose of prisons and that he
doesn't think they should exist. We have that audio, but
I think it's a perfect contrast with what Trump is
attempting to do, not only symbolically but also from a
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prison perspective with Alcatraz.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Listen, are prisons obsolete?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Coming through with the quotes, through with the titles of
the books, I have to read that. Actually I haven't
read that as yet, but I think that frankly, I mean,
what pers do they serve, right.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I think we have to ask ourselves that.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Okay, okay, can I can I walk everybody through this
for a second real quick, because I think this is important.
So it was deep diving into this back in the
days of BLM two point zero, the George Floyd riots
and all of that, the defund which they walked away
from because it was politically a hugely you know, soon
after the riots happened. It was a hugely unpopular idea
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and it's a crazy idea. Defund police Clay is not
the actual end that the Left seeks in this country
when it comes to the criminal justice system. They want
the abolition of police and the abolition of prison, prisons.
Abolished prisons and abolished police is what the true activist
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left seeks as their goal for the criminal justice system
in this country. And they shase and they choose that
term abolition specifically because they are trying to tie it
to the morally righteous crusade of abolishing slavery in this country.
So they choose that word very intentionally, right, Oh, it's abolition, abolition.
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When when you refer to somebody historically this country is
an abolitionist, they're they're on the right side of history.
They're a hero, they're a good person. When you hear
about abolished prisons, you would generally think this person is insane.
That is what the left actually believes in. Mamdani as
a leftist, as a COMMI thinks that we need to
get to a place where there are no more prisons.
(26:05):
And also they're no more police, they are just social workers.
We'll see how that goes for everybody. You guys have
seen like the Batman movies where where you know Arkham
Asylum gets or the cartoon the actual comic strip or
Arkham Asylum is let open and the whole city turns
into chaos and bedlam. Yes, yeah, this is actually what
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they want. And again this is why I said yesterday,
I think we should let the rest of the nation COMMI,
mom dommy win and then unfortunately, as a great swimmer,
I understand that some of you are not great swimmers.
Some of metaphorically New York would have to drown in crime,
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but we would potentially win the House of Representatives back.
It's sad, but sometimes you got to leave a guy behind.
Sometimes you do have to leave a man behind. I
understand the general rule is no man left behind, but
caveat if you know I I think Riley Gaines and
Sean Hannit, you're going to leave you behind if you
can't make the Alcatraz swim. I think they made that
one clear as well. First of all, by the way,
(27:09):
that's you, I'm just accidentally hit you on the on
the You should go subscribe to the Clay and Buck feed.
But Riley just tweeted that she completed the swim. She
is thirty one weeks pregnant with a baby girl, soon
to be a mom, and she just completed I'm just
scrolling through Twitter while I was talking to you, while
I was dealing with the scurriless attacks levied against me
(27:31):
by both Sean Hannity and Riley Gaines. And I have
made a pledge, and it is important pledge. I am
going to swim Next year when they have the Escape
from Alcatraz swim, I'm going to escape from Alcatraz. They
have a yearly thing where they do it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Literally.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I think this is what Riley was doing next year
at this time. I am going to make the swim.
I'm going to do it, and I'm going to do
it on behalf of all the haters. All the doubters,
of whom there are many, Riley Shawn, this is.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
A good This is a good show. Audience really enjoys it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't know if we gotta we gotta do like
a daily eulogy for the the fuck and the guy
formerly known as Klay Travis until a great White shark
ate him show, Like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Know if we need to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I would be thinking to myself, there are way too
many people rooting. I don't think there's that many people
that would root for me to drown some I think
there's a lot of people that would root for me
to get eaten by a shark. I think that they
would think that there is some poetic justice in, you know,
giving all my animal talk over the years, me getting
eaten by a shark. So I would be a little
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bit nervous because it's a not a good way to go.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
You're really gonna do this, I think you're gonna try it.
I think I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I mean, you can always doggy paddle, you know, you
could go slow and eventually you'll make it. You might
end up in Oakland or something, because it occurrence will
take you pretty far, but you know Oakland is at
least on land. I'm way more nervous about getting swept
out to the Pacific. You know, my my corpse ending
up in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I can't let you do this.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I gotta get out and now, obviously I'm gonna be
there in the stands, or even better, I'll be in
one of those launch boats, nice and warm. I'll probably
have some hot cocoa in my hands, and I'll just
be yelling at Clay. What are the yells of the
sled dogs, mush mush? I would on the face Sean
Hannity just immediately assume that I would drown.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I mean, he's never seen me swim, Like he just
has no faith whatsoever in me. I mean to hesitate.
Sean didn't hesitate at all, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Like he just took the measure of your swimming ability.
And he he's an honest guy, man. He couldn't hold back.
He decided you weren't. You weren't didn't have the necessary buoyancy.
I've definitely got the buoyancy. Like I've got too much
buoyancy right now. I need to lose some buoyancy. So
I need about a ten or twelve pounds off the body.
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But right now I think I would just float.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I think I was. You got to keep that. That's
brown fat.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
You gotta keep. You know, it's like the deep layer fat.
You want that. That's insulation and buoyancy. You don't want to.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Lose I do.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I am a little bit nervous about how cold the
water is because I was just up in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
And that water is cold.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And I definitely think that that jumping in and being
in there for a few hours, which probably how long
it would take me to swim. I'm more concerned other
than the shark attack of potentially dying of hypothermia. I
don't know how long it took Riley, but I think
it would take me. A whole lot of people watching
this this swim, I don't I don't think they just
like let people out there, and and they do. But
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what I'm saying is that most of those people are
able to swim rapidly. I don't know what the rule
is for how long you can be in super supremely
cold water without hypothermia setting in. You know what's gonna
end up happening, and it's gonna be a great moment
for women in sports. You're gonna have to like wrap
your arm around Riley's shoulder and she's gonna like tow
you in. You know, she's gonna Riley's gonna pull pull
(30:57):
your ass into shore because that that's the kind of
gal she is.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Because you're gonna walk a ride medium halfway through.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
While eight months pregnant, she's got a baby, and she's
got me on her back, like just kind of swimming across.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Pregnant lady, Pregnant lady saves Clay Travis from from drowning
and charity swim is the headline we all need to see.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That headline would probably do numbers. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It probably would. We'll take some of your car We'll
take some of your calls here. Oh man, I know
what some of you are gonna say too. You're gonna say, Buck,
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Speaker 1 (32:43):
Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get
your podcasts. I will have you know not all of
America is filled with haters. In fact, this text I
just received from my ten year old, this is nash
(33:03):
Unlike the haters I believe in. You don't give up
and practice. There you go, that's what you want to hear.
Everybody else doesn't have my back. Ten year old. He's like,
dad's got this to be fair. This all started when
I took my seventeen year old to Alcatraz. We were
(33:23):
on a visit to San Francisco looking at colleges all
over the place, and we were standing there looking at
out across San Francisco Bay and I said, I think
I can make the swim, and my seventeen year old said, no, no, no, no, Dad,
you would drown. And then we argued about whether or
not I could make the swim. That's legitimately where all
this started. But I've always thought my ten year old
was smarter than my seventeen year old, and he's right,
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I would make that swim, and I'm going to train
and I'm gonna make it happen, and I might. Now
I feel like I need to train and make it happen.
So I don't even know how you train for a
swim that long, by the way, like I think, because
I'm a lot. Yeah, but in a pool or do
you go to a lake? Is there a I mean,
if you ran like I did a half marathon, it
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was miserable. It turns out to run a marathon, which
is not fun. You also have to spend a lot
of time training to run the marathon, which is even
less fun. But it's easy right in theory. You know,
there's lots of places you could run long distances. Here's
the way running works. You just start like Forrest Gump,
and then at some point you can just stop. And
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it's miserable. And my argument, which always gets the runners angry,
is I think running is for people with really low
self esteem because they're like, I don't know if I
can do this. Oh look how far I ran. I
Oprah ran a marathon. I am more athletic than Oprah.
There's no doubt in my mind that I could run
a marathon. The problem with running a marathon is you
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have to train for it for a long time. But
there's lots of places you could train. How do you
train to swim like a mile and a half. Do
you even I mean, I guess you could do like
one hundred laps in the pool.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
You get any ocean and you swim, But how do
you know.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
How far an ocean distance is? Well, I mean you can,
like I'm thinking about in Miami Beach, for example, you
start in front of one hotel basically, and you swim
down to South Point Park or something and you look
at the on the GPS and you can calculate it.
But there's tides that like, is water distance impacted? Like,
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it feels way more complicated. My my wife, this is fun, Copernicus.
We could calculate this, all right, This isn't that bad.
My wife is of the opinion that I would drown.
And we were in the Bahamas. She had me swim
a decent distance and I don't even know if I
talked about this on the air. She was like, moron,
you are going to drown. I want you to swim
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in the bay all this distance. And so I was
doing the backstroke. She had no confidence that I could
do it, and I did it pretty easily. Because again
I'm not saying I'm a great I'm just saying as
long as I didn't drown, I would end up on
the shore. This is the thing that people don't understand, Like,
if you swim long enough.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Eventually you get to where you need to go. I
can do it all right, Well, there we go. I
like where your head's out on this one.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And by the way, this is up on the Sunday Hang.
We had some fun with this. Producer Ali said, there's
lots of fun stuff. If you're on the road, go
subscribe to the podcast. Lots of fun Sunday Hang things.
I hate you Sean Hannity. I also hate you Riley Gaines.
You're off the Christmas card list. I just don't want
to be clear. Carrie insists that I go and make
(36:38):
sure that you don't drown, and so then Laura can
be certain that I will make sure you don't drown.
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