July 20, 2025 • 42 mins
U.S. Senator Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) on the Senate finally fulfilling a GOP goal for decades, ending taxpayer funding of public broadcasting — and also gives us her take on additional hot-button issues. Attorney Alan Dershowitz, who was Jeffrey Epstein’s lawyer, discloses what he can about the Epstein case, including the fact that there is no Epstein “client list” and he wasn’t working for the CIA or Mossad. PA Senator Dave McCormick discussed all the Trump administration’s positive momentum for the energy industry in his state and all across America and how the intersection of AI and energy will change our world. He also loves Clay’s idea for a monument decrying political violence in Butler.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:08):
Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Senator Marsha Blackburn of the Great State of Tennessee joins us.
Senator Blackburn always good to chat with you.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
Well, it is so good to chat with you. And
of course we've been a little bit busy here in DC.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yes, and some good things happening. I think so often
in the world of commentary and talk radio, we have
to not only point out the serial failings of the Democrats,
but try to prod the Republicans to move a little
faster or a little further on something. But in this case,
I think a little bit of a golf clap may
be necessary, a little bit of a high five. The
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Senate has pushed forward this recision package. Tell us a
bit about what's contained and how does it feel to
be able to be a part of the Senate Senator
as they do something that Republicans have wanted to do
for pretty much my entire adult life.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Well, you're right about that, and I was looking at
something this week. Ronald Reagan started to push to try
to defund NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasts, and
of course we know that many times they have a
very biased view. They are anti conservative, and you can
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see it when you go through and look at how
they covered the Democrat Convention and the Republican Convention. The
Democrat Convention was nearly all positive coverage and the Republican
nearly all negative. Taxpayers do not want their funds to
be used for the Corporation for Public Broadcasts, addressing that,
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addressing some of this wasteful spending that has taken place
through USAID and the State Department. When you look at
vegan food for Zambia, our electric buses in Rwanda, our
voter ID programs in Haiti, then and the list goes
on and on. We could talk for hours of things
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that we were able to uncover that these agencies were
taking their appropriated funds for and spending the months, and
taxpayers don't want their hard earned dollars going for that.
So nine billion out of this year's by budget, drawing
a red line through those discretionary spending items, which is
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what recisions are for. And then if you say out
of a ten year budget window all of that is gone,
that's about ninety billion dollars in shavings.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We're talking to Center Marshall Blackburn about all of the
successes that are taking place. Trump basically ran on economy,
border crime. It seems like he is on all three
of those fronts, and I know sometimes they overlap. So,
for instance, the border and crime, we certainly know they're illegal,
violent perpetrators of crimes that should be removed from this country.
(03:11):
Can you remember, you've been in politics for a little
while now, can you remember a more consequential in terms
of delivering results on what someone ran on first six
months for a president than what we have seen so
far from Trump?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Because I can't.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I cannot the way he has has really buckled down.
And you know, Clay, we've talked about this a lot
in the last week, as we remembered a year ago
on Sunday, that assassination attempt. He has been very intentional,
very purposeful. He made promises, he has kept those promises.
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He's dealing with inflation, he is dealing with tariffs, he's
dealing with our standing in the world. He has secured
that southern border. It is the lowest illegal entry into
this country we have ever seen. And we know that
he is making certain that things get done. We're rebuilding
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the military, we are addressing waste, fraud and abuse in
government programs. That is what people voted for. He is
delivering and it is a joy to work with him,
and when you see every single day how he is
sending power and authority and money back to the states,
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getting it out of DC, draining the swamp, which he
said he would do, and sending power back to the people,
whether it's education or energy, or regulations or healthcare or benefits,
and saying, here, let's get it out of DC. Let's
get this money back where it belongs.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think, I know I did when you put out
I think it was a twenty point plan for President
Trump is basically the Republican platform for twenty twenty four correct.
It was super succinct, It was very understandable. If you
go back and look at that, I think it's very
worthwhile maybe to bring that back around to circulate so
people can see it. It is one of the most
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remarkably Hey, I'm going to do this, and then he's
delivered on it, and I get sometimes while he's a
little bit frustrated because I don't know that we've ever
seen anything like that. Lots of politicians say they're going
to do things and then they don't deliver. That's a
very transactional document, and he's delivered on virtually every point
on that document that you guys put out.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
You're right about that, and it was a joy to
chair that platform committee for him, and he was very
much engaged with that and is delivering. And as we
did the big beautiful bill, no tax on tips or overtime,
and the provision I have worked on for years, no
tax on Social Security. And of course we do that
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by a six thousand dollars bonus deduction per senior per year.
So a couple married filing jointly that are sixty five
and over, that's twelve thousand dollars in bonus income tax
deductions for that couple, and that allows them to utilize
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those funds basically tax free. But President Trump made these promises,
he said this is what we're going to do, and
he is delivering on every point, and the American people
are responding. You see, his polling numbers are better than
they have ever been. The Democrats, our friends on the left,
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have gone so far off the cliff on the left
that many of my friends who are independents and Democrats
are going, Oh my goodness, I can't go there with
them because of how radical they have become and some
of the socialist ideas that they have truly embraced and
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are promoting.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Senator Blackburn, I know you're on the Judiciary Committee, and
a very interesting and certainly very qualified nominee just got
put through the Senate panel, right Emil Bove, who had
defended President Trump in the past, a former federal prosecutor.
I was wondering if you could speak to the level
of opposition to somebody who seems to be so eminently
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qualified for the US Court of Appeals for the third
Circuit from Democrats is well, why are they so opposed
to this one? And then also just give us a
sense as to how the judge confirmation machinery in the
Senate is working under Trump's term. So far, are you
getting through the nominees you want to?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You need to? How's that all going?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
We are working on some more today. In earlier this week,
we did the first Circuit Court appointee, and that is
Whitney Hermanndaffer out of Tennessee. She'll be on the sixth
Circuit and you're referencing Emil Bovi, and Emil had represented
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President Trump at one point and had worked with Todd
Blanche and we got him out of committee today. The
Democrats were so upset about this, they did not want
to approve him because they felt like he had done this,
that or the other wrong. But but what they're going
to do is nitpick. They're going to try to find
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something and something's wrong with everybody and everything that's related
to President Donald Trump because they have Trump Derangement syndrome.
It is alive, it is out there, they are living it.
And what we did, as the Democrats got up and
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walked out after the vote had started, we continued the
vote and he was approved and he has Now he
will move to the floor for his confirmation vote, and
I hope we vote him very swiftly. Now the Democrats
are trying to hold up every US attorney, every US marshal,
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every judicial appointment that we have because they want to
impair the ability of President Trump's administration to carry out
their agenda. So we are encouraging Senator Grassley to find
to force the issue of moving forward with these nominees.
(09:46):
Don't hold them over. Let's just as we do the hearings,
let's move them to the floor so we can get
them up for the vote vote, because the Democrats are
calling cloture on every single nominee, which for your circuit
judges is thirty hours on the clock and for the
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others and for your US attorneys it's two hours. So
if they're not going to work with us, we should
be working all night, every night, and every weekend until
we get people confirmed.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
We're talking to Marshall Blackburn. I want to finish, Senator
from Tennessee. I want to finish with this and I'm
going to be hammering at home because I think there's
a lot of New Yorkers listening right now, and I
know there's a lot of Californians. Senator Blackburn is the
primary reason why there is no state income tax in
the state of Tennessee. And for people out there who
are looking at Kami, Mom, Damie that's coming into New
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York City, we've got a pretty good economic environment in
the state of Tennessee, wouldn't you suggest.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I think we have a great economic environment. And you know, Clay,
we talk a lot about how the leading that fight
against the state income tax in Tennessee and killing that
thing that required our state to go through through a
reset and look at the programs where we were spending
money and to actually reduce what we were spending because
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we didn't have the funds. And we have a balanced
budget Amendment for our states. And I think that the
reason you see Tennessee regularly as the number one are
two or three or four state for business and relocations
and business growth and GDP growth, it is because we
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are a well managed state and we have made certain
that we will never have a state income tax. We
actually now have it as a part of our state constitution.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Alan Dershowitz with us now and Professor Dershowitz. We appreciate
you joining us. Read some of your editorial yesterday in
the Wall Street Journal, and I just want to start
with this question because probably the number one question that
this audience has before we dive into a few others.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You wrote about it in the editorial.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Elon Musk said Trump is in the Epstein files, this
larger Epstein universe of investigation. You say that is not
true based on what you know as the defense attorney
for Jeffrey Epstein for many years. What is Trump's role
or involvement in any way in this larger context.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
There's no evidence that Trump is accused of having done
anything improper wrong sexual Donald Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein in
Palm Beach, they hung out together, he said some nice
things about him in an article for Vanity Fair, and
then they got into a fight either over a real
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estate matter or about an impropriety of Epstein in relation
to the order of one of the guests in my life,
and their relationship terminated. Of course, he's in the files.
Half the people in Palm Beacher in the files. I'm
in the files. Of course, I flew on his airplane.
I was his lawyer. All of his lawyers flew on
the airplane. But we I never flew with anybody who
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was young or underage or anything like that. So there's
a big confusion about the file. The file contains, you know,
so many people, thousands and thousands and thousands of innocent people.
And then there's the accusation. So there are two issues
as to the accusation. There is no client list. Let's
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be very clear. Jeffrey Epstein never compiled the list. Of
people to whom he allegedly trafficked any young woman. It
just doesn't exist. It never existed, and I've never said
it existed. Nobody I know has ever said it existed.
Nobody has ever seen it. What there is is this.
The FBI interviewed some of the alleged victims, and the
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alleged victims named some people, and those names have been redacted.
I know who those people are. There's nobody in the
current government. There's no Donald Trump, there's Bill Clinton. There's nobody.
Give you an example. A woman named Sarah Ransom wrote
a series of emails to the New York Posts. To
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Marine Callahan of The New York Post. In it, she
accused Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Richard Branson of having
underage sex with minors and said she had videos of them.
This was in the run up to the election of
two tents sixteen. Wow. Wow, wow, big news. So they
did an investigation and this woman, Sarah Ransom, admitted to
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The New Yorker that she made up the whole story.
Come to hop Cloth. She didn't know anybody. She just
made up a story because she wanted to have something
on Jeffrey Epstein. So that's the kind of thing you get,
these kinds of sake accusations, and of course the courts
don't reveal fake accuisitions because they want to protect the
so called victims. Now, Sarah Ranson was not a victim.
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She's a perpetrator. She falsely accused people and admit it.
But she is being protected and the people that she
accused or not being protected. So that's what is going
on here, and that's why some of the courts have
been so concerned about revealing half truth accusations without going
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and looking at who the accusers are.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Professor Dershowitz on the issue of the allegations conspiracy, however
one wants to frame it of foreign intelligence contacts. Specifically,
the allegation has been leveled by some pretty big voices
out there. You mentioned, I think in your editorial that
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this has happened, that they're saying it's Israel, that there's
Masad connection here, and you address that. Could you lay
out your case here as a former lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein,
why you say the foreign intel thing just doesn't hold water?
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Well? First, I was also a former lawyer for the Mosad.
I represented the Masad back in the day when five
of their agents were arrested in Cyprus, and the Mosad
retained me pro bono to represent these five people, and
I got them out. I have good sources in Israeli intelligence,
and I can tell you with one hundred percent assurance,
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there's never been any contact between Israeli intelligence or Israel
in general and Jeffrey Epstein. He became friendly after all
this happened with a Brock, former prime minister. They did
business dealings together, but there's never been any contact with intelligence.
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And the former Prime Minister of Israel, Bennett looked into
it again and stated on behalf of Israel basically that
there's no truth to it all. And this is logical.
It would be impossible. Why if he had worked for
any intelligence agency. Mosad cia ed the agency. Who's the
first person who would have told his lawyers, me and
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the other lawyers when we were trying to get a
good deal for him. The best thing we could have
had going for us is, oh my god, the guy
worked for an intelligence agency. Leave him alone. He never
told us that, and quite the opposite, he denied any
information that would be helpful to him along those lines.
So it's a completely made up story. Now I know
the reason for the made up story. Made up story
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had the following basis. His former girlfriend, Gallaine Maxwell, is
now in prisons. Father, Robert Maxwell, who was a publisher
in England, may well have had some connections to the Mosad.
And so Tucker Carlson probably said, oh my god, of
his girlfriend's father had connections. He probably did too. But
then Tucker Carlson's goes further and says, everybody in Washington
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knows everybody in Washington knows that works for the Mosside.
That's just blatant bigotry and it's just wrong, and it's
just not credible. And he ought to take that back.
Nobody in Washington knows that. The CIA doesn't know it,
the White House doesn't know it. I don't know anybody
credible who believes that Jeffrey Epstein would have been hired
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by the Mosad or by the CIA. It's absurd.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
A lot of people point to the initial prosecution. You
were the defense attorney for Jeffrey Epstein that was called
a quote sweetheart deal. You say Epstein was actually upset
with the deal that he got. How does that deal
compare to you to other criminal defendants? Was it a
sweetheart deal that he got initially.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
No, in fact, it was a worse deal. What we
did is we did a complete analysis of every single
case that was comparable. And remember, the only thing he
was charged with, the only thing he was charged with
was having sexual contact, not sexual intercourse, sexual contact massages
with two women, one way above the age of consent
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and the other but for money, so it was a crime,
and the other I think three or four months below
the aging consent seventeen and a half years old. We
did a thorough analysis. I did that analysis personally of
every case in Broward County and Palm Beach County and
Miami and Dade County of people who were charged with
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that kind of thing. Not a single one of them
got any prison time. So we went to the the
people in charge and we said, you know, fair is fair.
Let's give him a sentence that corresponds to prepass sentences. Ultimately,
we worked at a deal where he sentenced to eighteen
months in jail and he'd have to register as a
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sex offender. Epstein was furious at that. He fired me,
wouldn't pay my legal fee, thought I was a terrible
lawyer because I got him such a bad deal, you know,
I thought it was a pretty good deal. And as
a result of that deal, By the way, that's how
the Feds got involved, because the police officials in Palm
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Beach County thought they could do better, and so they
went to the sort.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Well, they thought Professor Drswoods, they thought there was a
lot of others. I mean, there were a lot of
other allegations of more serious stuff that were out there
that certainly came to light later.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
He was that's right, but he was not charged with
any of that right, so he pleaded guilty. The only
things he's ever pleaded guilty to, or these two charges
involving a seventeen year old and I don't remember twenty
one or twenty two year old something like that, but
those are the only heatings have ever ever charged with
until later, and then years later, I was not his
lawyer after that. I stopped being his lawyer once this
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was over, the first case was over, he was charged
with a lot more. By the way, the reason that
he was charged with the state case, not a federal
case back in two thousand and six, because they had
no proof that he had ever taken women across state
lines All the young people that he had any contact
with were from Palm Beach. These were mostly teenagers who
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worked in what were called I had never heard this
term before, but I learned that when I was doing
the investigation whack shacks. They were places in the West
Palm Beach where you'd go and pay one hundred dollars
and you'd get a happy ending massage. And so Epstein
would go and as people would go, and they'd go
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to these young girls will make it one hundred bucks
and said, you know, we know a guy who'll give
you two hundred dollars if you do the same thing.
And that's how it started. So it was all local,
and they couldn't get him on federal charge because it's
not a crime to pay for sex locally. It's not
a federal crime, it's a state crime. So we pleaded
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to that state crime.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
We're talking to Professor Alan Derschowitz. I put up a poll.
Seventy percent of people who responded to that poll said
they believe that Aspateel Pam BONDI, Donald Trump are lying
about what's in the Epstein case in front of them
right now. I imagine that those same seventy percent are going
to say, well, of course, Alan Dershowitz is going to
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lie now too.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What should happen?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
What interests would I have in lying? I have no
interest in the case at this point. I've been completely
cleared and vindicated of anything improper or wrong. I'm just
there to try to straighten out the record. I know
the facts. I looked at the investigation. What should happen
is what I said should have happened from day one.
Everything should be revealed. But by everything, I mean not
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only the accusations, some of which are false. We know
that the Sarah Ansom accusations were false. Everything should be revealed,
including the negative information about the accusers, and there's lots
of negative information about the accusers. Some of the accusers
ultimately helped Epstein recruit young women, and so everything should
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come out. But what shouldn't happen is selective release. That is,
just the accusations without the negative information about the accusers.
That would be unfair with fairst to reproduce everything so
that the public court of public opinion people can make
fair judgment as to who's guilty and who's not. Look,
we know the names of people who've been accused. They
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are the Some of the most distinguished people these public records.
George Mitchell, the man who wrote about peace in Ireland
and peace in the former Yugoslavia. He was accused of
having unprotected sex on a half a dozen occasions. Another
person was Bill Richardson that's been made public. He was
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the former ambassador to the UN. Another person was a
whod barack. And so we don't know whether there's any
truth to any of these accusations. We know they're out there,
and you know they've been covered wide in the press.
The Miami Harold wrote article after article after article by
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a totally one sided and biased a journalist who was
trying to get the peel with surprise and didn't because
her reporting was not accurate.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
The last question about this for were you here and
we appreciate the time. Has President Trump asked your advice
about what he should do? And just to reiterate, he
is not named, accused anything like that based on everything
you've seen.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
No, no, not at all. Not. I can tell you
categorically he's not accused, and no he's not sort my advice.
I have written my op ed in the Wall Street Journal,
I've talked about it in shows like you words. I'm
you know, right now on a book tour promoting my book,
The Preventive State, and so I'm anxious to have television
and radio interviews. And while i was on my book
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tour for The Preventive State, this story broke and so
I've been talking about the story more than I've been
talking about my book.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
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You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
We are joined now by Senator Dave McCormick of Pennsylvania.
They just had a major AI event, Energy and Innovation Summit,
lots of AI money pouring into the state of Pennsylvania.
And Senator appreciate you joining us. And I know that
you have a good, huge, successful business background, and Buck
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and I were talking about AI writ large, So before
we have you dive into the Senate and everything else
that you're doing there, I'm just curious, as you look
at this through the lens of a business guy, is
it in your mind, AI and its impact going to
be transformational on a level like the Internet was in
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the nineties to the culture in the world. Do you
think more less, where are we What do you think
from a business perspective, people should know about AI?
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Hey, good morning, guys, how are your I guess, good afternoon.
Thanks for having me. Yeah. I think this is the
next great industrial revolution. I think, and and the stakes
are so high because it has huge implications for our
economic situation, our our economic opportunity, has huge implications for
national security. Were we are in a fight. We are
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in a battle with China for leadership in artificial intelligence,
and if we if we don't win that leadership battle,
we're going to have everything at risk, our infrastructure, our data,
our very way of life. It's that it's that significant.
And you know, the case that we made on Tuesday
with the President in Pittsburgh was that the intersection of
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energy innovation and AI innovation is where the future lies
and that America has to win it both and if
if we're going to win, and we have to win
in places like Pennsylvania, because you have to have abundant energy.
You have to have natural gas, nuclear power, fossil fuels,
all forms of energy. You have to have incredible energy resources.
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You have to have incredible skilled workers to be able
to build that infrastructure and you have to have the
most exceptional technology leadership, like we have a Carnegie Mellon
And I guess the last point I'd make, guys, is
this is not a you know, we got to win
this over the next decade kind of thing. This battle
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is playing out over the next six months, twelve months,
twenty four to thirty six. This is something that if
we don't continue to have leadership, we're going to look
back and say we missed.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
The moment, Senator, appreciate you being with us. I've mentioned
before that one of my forays in AI was just
taking a standard blood test that i'd gotten back with
all the different numbers and the rest of it, and
loading it in and saying, tell me everything I need
to know about all my different markers.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
And it was fascinating.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Not only did it give me incredibly detailed analysis, more
so than even what I had gotten from a pretty
long sit down with my doctor about it, but I
could do follow up questions, get incredible deep dive information
in real time about anything. So to me, that's just
one little test case of how AI. This was all
through an AI system. How AI is going to change
things for people out there right now, Whether you're you know,
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you're working for a mid sized company, whether you own
a car dealership, whether you work at a hardware store,
you're a truck driver. Like, what are the ways that
at a summing like this you can see the world
is going to change and the ways that it will
affect people in their day to day Let's start with
any of the positives before we worry about Skynet, you know,
leading us in a nuclear war. Like, what are the
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things that you see really getting better, more efficient, more helpful,
and more wealth creation going for people.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
Well, you know, the funny thing about this is that
it's the marriage of this incredible new sinking about algorithms
and data and really taking this unique ability to collate
all this intelligence in artificial intelligence. But it's the marriage
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of that with infrastructure, data centers, and new energy capabilities.
So at the SUMMT, I guess the one thing that
would probably surprise people the most is the fact that
this boom is going to have huge implications for blot
collar jobs. So Mike Row was there and he was saying,
this is unbelievable because what's happening is that there's going
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to be this huge demand for welders and steam fitters
and pipe fitters and electricians to build out this enormous
infrastructure because AI requires enormous energy, and so energy demand
is going to triple over the next fifteen years, and
that's going to create this enormous opportunity for skilled workers.
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So I think that's one of the maybe surprising dimensions
of it. At the same time, it's also going to
put enormous pressure on certain types of white collar jobs.
You know, I just did a couple of AI searches
this morning on my positions, just to see what they
would say. I said, what's Dave McCormick's position on Ukraine?
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And it laid out in excruciating detail my positions on
Ukraine and what we should be doing there, and.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
By the way, accurately in your mind when you.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
This was very extremely accurate. It drew on all sorts
of different it. You could have written the article. My
point is you could have basically said, if you're a reporter,
you could have asked that question and that would have
been ninety percent of the article. And so it's going
to put pressure on all sorts of white collar opportunities
which are in the software industry. I was with Satinadella
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not long ago, the SEO of Microsoft, and I asked
him the impact. He said, you know, teeth eighty percent
of the development at work that our software developers used
to do can now be done by AI, which is
really good in his mind because that allows our developers
to focus on the twenty percent or the ten percent
that's the highest value. But this is going to put
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enormous pressure on certain types of jobs. And listen, this
is a new reality. So my view is that America
and Pennsylvania needs to embrace this change and be at
the forefront, be leaders in it, because unfortunately it's inevitable
and the stakes of not being the leader are so high.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I think what you just said is so interesting there
about the search that you did on your policy on Ukraine.
I have been hammering this for a lot of writers
out there, and I'm sure you've seen this a lot day.
From the background of a business guy, so much of
life is figuring out what added value can you provide?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I mean, in whatever job you do, what can you
do that's better better than the average guy or gal
that might be doing your job. One thing that I
think this is going to require of everybody is mediocrity
is going to be replaced quickly by AI. So whether
you're selling cars or whether you're writing articles or whatever
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you are doing in the larger universe, I would suggest
familiarize yourself with AI because it can take you to
a different level of excellence. But if you're not pursuing
excellence in what you do, you're going to be very replaceable.
Would that be a good contextualization you think business wise?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I really I agree with you one hundred percent, and
I also think you know, listen, this change changes.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
It's hard. I mean, there's a lot of anxiety out
there and I understand that. And there are genuine and
legitimate concerns about the national security implications of AI, the
privacy implication. So there there is UH. As Buck said,
there's a there's there's there's pros, and there's cons However,
it is coming. This is an enormous transformation, and I
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think we need to lean into it and recognize that
leadership UH and controlling our destiny is we can't put
our heads in the sand and think this isn't happening.
Controlling our destiny as a nation, as a commonwealth in Pennsylvania,
and as individuals is the only way through it. And
I agree with you it's in many ways, AI is
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going to ensure and enforce even more of a meritocracy
in the sense that those who can contribute unique value
I think are going to be the beneficiaries of it.
And as I said, it's not what it's iron the
irony is. I think those with you know, unique skills,
uh in the in the in the building trades, in
the blue collar world may have a really unique moment.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
You know, Senator, I saw that the that that Google
is working through what is a brook Field too and
this came up at the AI saw it to get
access to hydro electric power plants. Right, So the the
energy need of this AI revolution are going to be
a challenge all all on its own and all on
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their own, And so I'm just wondering, do we have
some sense as to one, how much of an expansion
of the of the grid we're going to need.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And then how is the.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Trump administration trying to align with the not just the
the idea of drill, baby drill, but everything we're talking nuclear,
all all of the above to try to meet what's
going to be power needs a surge beyond anything we've
seen before.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
I mean, I'm ting guys, this this thing was awesome.
I mean I was so proud, proud to be part
of it. And it was you know, we had we
had sixty major CEOs, twenty companies that made announcements, and
you know, this was something I'd asked the President if
he'd be willing to do, right right after I won
the election, I said, would you come to Pennsylvania. You know,
he had campaigned in twenty seventeen he made the famous
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line that I'm more worried about serving the people of
Pittsburgh than the people of Paris. As related to the Paris,
of course, so he comes, We invite these CEOs. We
have a big chunk of the cabinet there Sartrey Besson,
secretary at Lutnik, sar Ty Bergham sectary, right, Lee Zelden,
David Sachs. Just this unbelievable collection, and the CEO is there.
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Announced ninety two billion dollars of investment. This is in
Some of these things have been working on for years.
Some of these things are are brand new, out of
the blue. Twenty five billion dollar investment by Blackstone in
two major data center campuses in northeastern Pennsylvania. And if
you look at the investments, they split up, which is
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instructive to your question about thirty six billion dollars of
data centers, there was another thirty five billion dollars of
energy infrastructure. This is transmission to meet the needs distribution operations.
First Energy made a huge fifteen billion dollar announcement of
investing in energy infrastructure because you've got to have the
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data centers, you've got to have the infrastructure, and you've
got to have the energy project. So there was a
huge announcements around conversions of coal to natural gas plants.
A Westinghouse directly related to the President's Executive Order on
Nuclear Power, announced commitment to building two or ten new
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nuclear reactors six billion dollars. So to your question, to
make this work, you need investment in data, you need
investment in infrastructure, you need investment in production. And Pennsylvania
is kind of unique because we've got we're the second
largest energy producer in the country, fourth largest natural gas
reserves in the world, huge nuclear installed base. You know,
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microsoftist did a big deal with Constellation on Three Mile Island.
Who would have thought, so, you know, there's no way
to meet this energy demand, which is going to triple
in the next fifteen years without embracing all forms of
energy that I mean, subsidizing them what they've got to
be economic, all forms of energy, and then having the
infrastructure to make sure that we keep prices low for
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consumers and that we meet this big surge and create
these great jobs for Pennsylvania's.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Last question for you, and you can tell me if
you think I'm crazy. I know you were at Butler Pennsylvania.
We've talked with you. As the one year anniversary comes near.
We've talked with you about what that experience was like.
You've heard gunfire before, you immediately recognized it. I said
on the show this week, as we talked about the
one year anniversary and the implications and significance that I
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thought Butler pa that location should become a national monument
of sorts, used as a not only historical location, but
also as a testament to combating political violence.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Is this a crazy idea or do you think the idea?
Speaker 7 (37:52):
I love it. I love it, Clay.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And I loved it too, Senator. So Clay is getting
a lot of traction here, a lot of the audience right.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Well, can I help you and you've got a lot
more influence on this, but this is your state. I
don't want that place. And look, I live on the
battlefield of Franklin, Tennessee. You know, I'm a history nerd.
Sometimes history gets paved over and we forget decades one
hundred years later, You're like, man, I wish I could
really see this battlefield, or I wish I could experience
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the significance of this place as it might have looked
then and understand why it's culturally resonant to me. Butler
can be that not only today, but I think as
the passions of the day fade, for kids and grandkids
out there who want to study the Trump era and
understand how close we came to disaster there. I like
the idea of creating a monument that's opposed to political violence. Thankfully,
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it wasn't a side of political violence. We don't have
to be an RFK, MLK or JFK like site, but
so it's not deally plaza, thankfully, but why not create
something that is significant there?
Speaker 7 (38:55):
And long time, I think it's a great idea. I
hadn't thought of it, but it's a great idea. And
I do say memorializing what happened there. And frankly, you
know you've been a strong voice in this. This is
across political parties. You know, not long ago we had
an arson attack on our governor here in Pennsylvania. Wo's
a Democrat, so correct, we need to speak out clearly
and decisively against political violence. And I think memorializing I
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say that to people you know, as you know, I
was right there on the stage. Yes, it's like being
next to the limousine when Kennedy was shot the convertible
in in in Dallas, like this is this is an
iconic moment of American history. And thank god, yes that
we missed. The sniper missed the president. The assassin missed
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present the president by an inch. And I love the
idea of memorializing that. So that's something maybe we can
talk about offline. But I like that idea, Clay, and
you know you're listen. You're a You're a font of
good ideas.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
Is he always like to fuck?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
He certainly has the confidence for it, I will say.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
I will.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I'm not saying everything is brilliant, but I do have
to me this is one that does make sense. Poor
Buck has to listen to ideas like this all day.
But Senator, you can help make this happen. I'd just
like to see the site preserved. And I do think
it's a it's a worthy idea for generations to come.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
It's a great idea.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Let me run with it.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Thank you, Clay.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck Trump.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
I just want to have some fun with this one because.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
We spoke about AOC before and I said, I think
she's too dumb to be the Democrat leader in general
of the country. But you know, I'm also I go
back and forth on that because she does have some
things going for her. And here is Trump. He just
waded in today on AOC. Did you see this? This
is cut thirty six. The Commander in Chief has some
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thoughts and he agrees with Buck, which is not a
surprise player, you know AOC.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
Look. I think she's very nice, but she's very low IQ,
and we really don't need low IQ between.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Her and Crockett.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
We're gonna give them both an IQ test to see
who comes out best. Now, I took my test. I
took a real test at Walter Reed Medical Center, and
I haste it. I got every one of all those
questions right now, it's time for them to take a test.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Oh my goodness, would you say she's very nice, but
she's also very dub That is very vintage Trump. And
I would just point out that right now, the top
Democrat according to polling from the state of Texas in
the Senate race next year is Jasmine Crockett. Can you
imagine run, Jasmine run. I think the people of Texas
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need to hear all of your arguments more fully articulated
and developed, and I think you would be a sterling
representative of the Democrat Party in the lone Star state.
But that is the potential. I mean a lot of people,
I think are stunned to find out that jasminc. Crockett
is from Texas because you think of Texans as not
Jasmin Crockett, AOC New York. I think a lot of
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people are like, yeah, that's New York. And obviously there
is no.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
There's no spokesperson or brand affiliation with Crockett Coffee, just
to be clear, totally separate venture, we have nothing to
do with. Because you know, Trump's referring to Crockett there.
I would love it if he was talking about the
Great American coffee company of Crockett Coffee, but different, different situation,
and there's no no.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
No relation that we're aware of between Jasmine Crockett and
Davy Crockett, and certainly no relationship with the Crockett Coffee Company.
She is definitely in the state of Texas, detracting from
the overall brand appeal of the Davy Crockett brand by
being the most prominent Crockett in the state.
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Making the American Farm Strong Again.
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Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Senator Marsha Blackburn of the Great State of Tennessee joins us.
Senator Blackburn always good to chat with you.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
Well, it is so good to chat with you. And
of course we've been a little bit busy here in DC.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yes, and some good things happening. I think so often
in the world of commentary and talk radio, we have
to not only point out the serial failings of the Democrats,
but try to prod the Republicans to move a little
faster or a little further on something. But in this case,
I think a little bit of a golf clap may
be necessary, a little bit of a high five. The
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Senate has pushed forward this recision package. Tell us a
bit about what's contained and how does it feel to
be able to be a part of the Senate Senator
as they do something that Republicans have wanted to do
for pretty much my entire adult life.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Well, you're right about that, and I was looking at
something this week. Ronald Reagan started to push to try
to defund NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasts, and
of course we know that many times they have a
very biased view. They are anti conservative, and you can
(01:29):
see it when you go through and look at how
they covered the Democrat Convention and the Republican Convention. The
Democrat Convention was nearly all positive coverage and the Republican
nearly all negative. Taxpayers do not want their funds to
be used for the Corporation for Public Broadcasts, addressing that,
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addressing some of this wasteful spending that has taken place
through USAID and the State Department. When you look at
vegan food for Zambia, our electric buses in Rwanda, our
voter ID programs in Haiti, then and the list goes
on and on. We could talk for hours of things
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that we were able to uncover that these agencies were
taking their appropriated funds for and spending the months, and
taxpayers don't want their hard earned dollars going for that.
So nine billion out of this year's by budget, drawing
a red line through those discretionary spending items, which is
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what recisions are for. And then if you say out
of a ten year budget window all of that is gone,
that's about ninety billion dollars in shavings.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We're talking to Center Marshall Blackburn about all of the
successes that are taking place. Trump basically ran on economy,
border crime. It seems like he is on all three
of those fronts, and I know sometimes they overlap. So,
for instance, the border and crime, we certainly know they're illegal,
violent perpetrators of crimes that should be removed from this country.
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Can you remember, you've been in politics for a little
while now, can you remember a more consequential in terms
of delivering results on what someone ran on first six
months for a president than what we have seen so
far from Trump?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Because I can't.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I cannot the way he has has really buckled down.
And you know, Clay, we've talked about this a lot
in the last week, as we remembered a year ago
on Sunday, that assassination attempt. He has been very intentional,
very purposeful. He made promises, he has kept those promises.
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He's dealing with inflation, he is dealing with tariffs, he's
dealing with our standing in the world. He has secured
that southern border. It is the lowest illegal entry into
this country we have ever seen. And we know that
he is making certain that things get done. We're rebuilding
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the military, we are addressing waste, fraud and abuse in
government programs. That is what people voted for. He is
delivering and it is a joy to work with him,
and when you see every single day how he is
sending power and authority and money back to the states,
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getting it out of DC, draining the swamp, which he
said he would do, and sending power back to the people,
whether it's education or energy, or regulations or healthcare or benefits,
and saying, here, let's get it out of DC. Let's
get this money back where it belongs.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think, I know I did when you put out
I think it was a twenty point plan for President
Trump is basically the Republican platform for twenty twenty four correct.
It was super succinct, It was very understandable. If you
go back and look at that, I think it's very
worthwhile maybe to bring that back around to circulate so
people can see it. It is one of the most
(05:18):
remarkably Hey, I'm going to do this, and then he's
delivered on it, and I get sometimes while he's a
little bit frustrated because I don't know that we've ever
seen anything like that. Lots of politicians say they're going
to do things and then they don't deliver. That's a
very transactional document, and he's delivered on virtually every point
on that document that you guys put out.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
You're right about that, and it was a joy to
chair that platform committee for him, and he was very
much engaged with that and is delivering. And as we
did the big beautiful bill, no tax on tips or overtime,
and the provision I have worked on for years, no
tax on Social Security. And of course we do that
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by a six thousand dollars bonus deduction per senior per year.
So a couple married filing jointly that are sixty five
and over, that's twelve thousand dollars in bonus income tax
deductions for that couple, and that allows them to utilize
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those funds basically tax free. But President Trump made these promises,
he said this is what we're going to do, and
he is delivering on every point, and the American people
are responding. You see, his polling numbers are better than
they have ever been. The Democrats, our friends on the left,
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have gone so far off the cliff on the left
that many of my friends who are independents and Democrats
are going, Oh my goodness, I can't go there with
them because of how radical they have become and some
of the socialist ideas that they have truly embraced and
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are promoting.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Senator Blackburn, I know you're on the Judiciary Committee, and
a very interesting and certainly very qualified nominee just got
put through the Senate panel, right Emil Bove, who had
defended President Trump in the past, a former federal prosecutor.
I was wondering if you could speak to the level
of opposition to somebody who seems to be so eminently
(07:33):
qualified for the US Court of Appeals for the third
Circuit from Democrats is well, why are they so opposed
to this one? And then also just give us a
sense as to how the judge confirmation machinery in the
Senate is working under Trump's term. So far, are you
getting through the nominees you want to?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You need to? How's that all going?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
We are working on some more today. In earlier this week,
we did the first Circuit Court appointee, and that is
Whitney Hermanndaffer out of Tennessee. She'll be on the sixth
Circuit and you're referencing Emil Bovi, and Emil had represented
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President Trump at one point and had worked with Todd
Blanche and we got him out of committee today. The
Democrats were so upset about this, they did not want
to approve him because they felt like he had done this,
that or the other wrong. But but what they're going
to do is nitpick. They're going to try to find
(08:39):
something and something's wrong with everybody and everything that's related
to President Donald Trump because they have Trump Derangement syndrome.
It is alive, it is out there, they are living it.
And what we did, as the Democrats got up and
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walked out after the vote had started, we continued the
vote and he was approved and he has Now he
will move to the floor for his confirmation vote, and
I hope we vote him very swiftly. Now the Democrats
are trying to hold up every US attorney, every US marshal,
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every judicial appointment that we have because they want to
impair the ability of President Trump's administration to carry out
their agenda. So we are encouraging Senator Grassley to find
to force the issue of moving forward with these nominees.
(09:46):
Don't hold them over. Let's just as we do the hearings,
let's move them to the floor so we can get
them up for the vote vote, because the Democrats are
calling cloture on every single nominee, which for your circuit
judges is thirty hours on the clock and for the
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others and for your US attorneys it's two hours. So
if they're not going to work with us, we should
be working all night, every night, and every weekend until
we get people confirmed.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
We're talking to Marshall Blackburn. I want to finish, Senator
from Tennessee. I want to finish with this and I'm
going to be hammering at home because I think there's
a lot of New Yorkers listening right now, and I
know there's a lot of Californians. Senator Blackburn is the
primary reason why there is no state income tax in
the state of Tennessee. And for people out there who
are looking at Kami, Mom, Damie that's coming into New
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York City, we've got a pretty good economic environment in
the state of Tennessee, wouldn't you suggest.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I think we have a great economic environment. And you know, Clay,
we talk a lot about how the leading that fight
against the state income tax in Tennessee and killing that
thing that required our state to go through through a
reset and look at the programs where we were spending
money and to actually reduce what we were spending because
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we didn't have the funds. And we have a balanced
budget Amendment for our states. And I think that the
reason you see Tennessee regularly as the number one are
two or three or four state for business and relocations
and business growth and GDP growth, it is because we
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are a well managed state and we have made certain
that we will never have a state income tax. We
actually now have it as a part of our state constitution.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Alan Dershowitz with us now and Professor Dershowitz. We appreciate
you joining us. Read some of your editorial yesterday in
the Wall Street Journal, and I just want to start
with this question because probably the number one question that
this audience has before we dive into a few others.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You wrote about it in the editorial.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Elon Musk said Trump is in the Epstein files, this
larger Epstein universe of investigation. You say that is not
true based on what you know as the defense attorney
for Jeffrey Epstein for many years. What is Trump's role
or involvement in any way in this larger context.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
There's no evidence that Trump is accused of having done
anything improper wrong sexual Donald Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein in
Palm Beach, they hung out together, he said some nice
things about him in an article for Vanity Fair, and
then they got into a fight either over a real
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estate matter or about an impropriety of Epstein in relation
to the order of one of the guests in my life,
and their relationship terminated. Of course, he's in the files.
Half the people in Palm Beacher in the files. I'm
in the files. Of course, I flew on his airplane.
I was his lawyer. All of his lawyers flew on
the airplane. But we I never flew with anybody who
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was young or underage or anything like that. So there's
a big confusion about the file. The file contains, you know,
so many people, thousands and thousands and thousands of innocent people.
And then there's the accusation. So there are two issues
as to the accusation. There is no client list. Let's
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be very clear. Jeffrey Epstein never compiled the list. Of
people to whom he allegedly trafficked any young woman. It
just doesn't exist. It never existed, and I've never said
it existed. Nobody I know has ever said it existed.
Nobody has ever seen it. What there is is this.
The FBI interviewed some of the alleged victims, and the
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alleged victims named some people, and those names have been redacted.
I know who those people are. There's nobody in the
current government. There's no Donald Trump, there's Bill Clinton. There's nobody.
Give you an example. A woman named Sarah Ransom wrote
a series of emails to the New York Posts. To
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Marine Callahan of The New York Post. In it, she
accused Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Richard Branson of having
underage sex with minors and said she had videos of them.
This was in the run up to the election of
two tents sixteen. Wow. Wow, wow, big news. So they
did an investigation and this woman, Sarah Ransom, admitted to
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The New Yorker that she made up the whole story.
Come to hop Cloth. She didn't know anybody. She just
made up a story because she wanted to have something
on Jeffrey Epstein. So that's the kind of thing you get,
these kinds of sake accusations, and of course the courts
don't reveal fake accuisitions because they want to protect the
so called victims. Now, Sarah Ranson was not a victim.
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She's a perpetrator. She falsely accused people and admit it.
But she is being protected and the people that she
accused or not being protected. So that's what is going
on here, and that's why some of the courts have
been so concerned about revealing half truth accusations without going
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and looking at who the accusers are.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Professor Dershowitz on the issue of the allegations conspiracy, however
one wants to frame it of foreign intelligence contacts. Specifically,
the allegation has been leveled by some pretty big voices
out there. You mentioned, I think in your editorial that
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this has happened, that they're saying it's Israel, that there's
Masad connection here, and you address that. Could you lay
out your case here as a former lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein,
why you say the foreign intel thing just doesn't hold water?
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Well? First, I was also a former lawyer for the Mosad.
I represented the Masad back in the day when five
of their agents were arrested in Cyprus, and the Mosad
retained me pro bono to represent these five people, and
I got them out. I have good sources in Israeli intelligence,
and I can tell you with one hundred percent assurance,
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there's never been any contact between Israeli intelligence or Israel
in general and Jeffrey Epstein. He became friendly after all
this happened with a Brock, former prime minister. They did
business dealings together, but there's never been any contact with intelligence.
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And the former Prime Minister of Israel, Bennett looked into
it again and stated on behalf of Israel basically that
there's no truth to it all. And this is logical.
It would be impossible. Why if he had worked for
any intelligence agency. Mosad cia ed the agency. Who's the
first person who would have told his lawyers, me and
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the other lawyers when we were trying to get a
good deal for him. The best thing we could have
had going for us is, oh my god, the guy
worked for an intelligence agency. Leave him alone. He never
told us that, and quite the opposite, he denied any
information that would be helpful to him along those lines.
So it's a completely made up story. Now I know
the reason for the made up story. Made up story
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had the following basis. His former girlfriend, Gallaine Maxwell, is
now in prisons. Father, Robert Maxwell, who was a publisher
in England, may well have had some connections to the Mosad.
And so Tucker Carlson probably said, oh my god, of
his girlfriend's father had connections. He probably did too. But
then Tucker Carlson's goes further and says, everybody in Washington
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knows everybody in Washington knows that works for the Mosside.
That's just blatant bigotry and it's just wrong, and it's
just not credible. And he ought to take that back.
Nobody in Washington knows that. The CIA doesn't know it,
the White House doesn't know it. I don't know anybody
credible who believes that Jeffrey Epstein would have been hired
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by the Mosad or by the CIA. It's absurd.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
A lot of people point to the initial prosecution. You
were the defense attorney for Jeffrey Epstein that was called
a quote sweetheart deal. You say Epstein was actually upset
with the deal that he got. How does that deal
compare to you to other criminal defendants? Was it a
sweetheart deal that he got initially.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
No, in fact, it was a worse deal. What we
did is we did a complete analysis of every single
case that was comparable. And remember, the only thing he
was charged with, the only thing he was charged with
was having sexual contact, not sexual intercourse, sexual contact massages
with two women, one way above the age of consent
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and the other but for money, so it was a crime,
and the other I think three or four months below
the aging consent seventeen and a half years old. We
did a thorough analysis. I did that analysis personally of
every case in Broward County and Palm Beach County and
Miami and Dade County of people who were charged with
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that kind of thing. Not a single one of them
got any prison time. So we went to the the
people in charge and we said, you know, fair is fair.
Let's give him a sentence that corresponds to prepass sentences. Ultimately,
we worked at a deal where he sentenced to eighteen
months in jail and he'd have to register as a
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sex offender. Epstein was furious at that. He fired me,
wouldn't pay my legal fee, thought I was a terrible
lawyer because I got him such a bad deal, you know,
I thought it was a pretty good deal. And as
a result of that deal, By the way, that's how
the Feds got involved, because the police officials in Palm
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Beach County thought they could do better, and so they
went to the sort.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Well, they thought Professor Drswoods, they thought there was a
lot of others. I mean, there were a lot of
other allegations of more serious stuff that were out there
that certainly came to light later.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
He was that's right, but he was not charged with
any of that right, so he pleaded guilty. The only
things he's ever pleaded guilty to, or these two charges
involving a seventeen year old and I don't remember twenty
one or twenty two year old something like that, but
those are the only heatings have ever ever charged with
until later, and then years later, I was not his
lawyer after that. I stopped being his lawyer once this
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was over, the first case was over, he was charged
with a lot more. By the way, the reason that
he was charged with the state case, not a federal
case back in two thousand and six, because they had
no proof that he had ever taken women across state
lines All the young people that he had any contact
with were from Palm Beach. These were mostly teenagers who
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worked in what were called I had never heard this
term before, but I learned that when I was doing
the investigation whack shacks. They were places in the West
Palm Beach where you'd go and pay one hundred dollars
and you'd get a happy ending massage. And so Epstein
would go and as people would go, and they'd go
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to these young girls will make it one hundred bucks
and said, you know, we know a guy who'll give
you two hundred dollars if you do the same thing.
And that's how it started. So it was all local,
and they couldn't get him on federal charge because it's
not a crime to pay for sex locally. It's not
a federal crime, it's a state crime. So we pleaded
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to that state crime.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
We're talking to Professor Alan Derschowitz. I put up a poll.
Seventy percent of people who responded to that poll said
they believe that Aspateel Pam BONDI, Donald Trump are lying
about what's in the Epstein case in front of them
right now. I imagine that those same seventy percent are going
to say, well, of course, Alan Dershowitz is going to
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lie now too.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What should happen?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
What interests would I have in lying? I have no
interest in the case at this point. I've been completely
cleared and vindicated of anything improper or wrong. I'm just
there to try to straighten out the record. I know
the facts. I looked at the investigation. What should happen
is what I said should have happened from day one.
Everything should be revealed. But by everything, I mean not
(22:41):
only the accusations, some of which are false. We know
that the Sarah Ansom accusations were false. Everything should be revealed,
including the negative information about the accusers, and there's lots
of negative information about the accusers. Some of the accusers
ultimately helped Epstein recruit young women, and so everything should
(23:02):
come out. But what shouldn't happen is selective release. That is,
just the accusations without the negative information about the accusers.
That would be unfair with fairst to reproduce everything so
that the public court of public opinion people can make
fair judgment as to who's guilty and who's not. Look,
we know the names of people who've been accused. They
(23:23):
are the Some of the most distinguished people these public records.
George Mitchell, the man who wrote about peace in Ireland
and peace in the former Yugoslavia. He was accused of
having unprotected sex on a half a dozen occasions. Another
person was Bill Richardson that's been made public. He was
(23:45):
the former ambassador to the UN. Another person was a
whod barack. And so we don't know whether there's any
truth to any of these accusations. We know they're out there,
and you know they've been covered wide in the press.
The Miami Harold wrote article after article after article by
(24:05):
a totally one sided and biased a journalist who was
trying to get the peel with surprise and didn't because
her reporting was not accurate.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
The last question about this for were you here and
we appreciate the time. Has President Trump asked your advice
about what he should do? And just to reiterate, he
is not named, accused anything like that based on everything
you've seen.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
No, no, not at all. Not. I can tell you
categorically he's not accused, and no he's not sort my advice.
I have written my op ed in the Wall Street Journal,
I've talked about it in shows like you words. I'm
you know, right now on a book tour promoting my book,
The Preventive State, and so I'm anxious to have television
and radio interviews. And while i was on my book
(24:52):
tour for The Preventive State, this story broke and so
I've been talking about the story more than I've been
talking about my book.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
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You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
We are joined now by Senator Dave McCormick of Pennsylvania.
They just had a major AI event, Energy and Innovation Summit,
lots of AI money pouring into the state of Pennsylvania.
And Senator appreciate you joining us. And I know that
you have a good, huge, successful business background, and Buck
(25:32):
and I were talking about AI writ large, So before
we have you dive into the Senate and everything else
that you're doing there, I'm just curious, as you look
at this through the lens of a business guy, is
it in your mind, AI and its impact going to
be transformational on a level like the Internet was in
(25:53):
the nineties to the culture in the world. Do you
think more less, where are we What do you think
from a business perspective, people should know about AI?
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Hey, good morning, guys, how are your I guess, good afternoon.
Thanks for having me. Yeah. I think this is the
next great industrial revolution. I think, and and the stakes
are so high because it has huge implications for our
economic situation, our our economic opportunity, has huge implications for
national security. Were we are in a fight. We are
(26:26):
in a battle with China for leadership in artificial intelligence,
and if we if we don't win that leadership battle,
we're going to have everything at risk, our infrastructure, our data,
our very way of life. It's that it's that significant.
And you know, the case that we made on Tuesday
with the President in Pittsburgh was that the intersection of
(26:50):
energy innovation and AI innovation is where the future lies
and that America has to win it both and if
if we're going to win, and we have to win
in places like Pennsylvania, because you have to have abundant energy.
You have to have natural gas, nuclear power, fossil fuels,
all forms of energy. You have to have incredible energy resources.
(27:11):
You have to have incredible skilled workers to be able
to build that infrastructure and you have to have the
most exceptional technology leadership, like we have a Carnegie Mellon
And I guess the last point I'd make, guys, is
this is not a you know, we got to win
this over the next decade kind of thing. This battle
(27:32):
is playing out over the next six months, twelve months,
twenty four to thirty six. This is something that if
we don't continue to have leadership, we're going to look
back and say we missed.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
The moment, Senator, appreciate you being with us. I've mentioned
before that one of my forays in AI was just
taking a standard blood test that i'd gotten back with
all the different numbers and the rest of it, and
loading it in and saying, tell me everything I need
to know about all my different markers.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
And it was fascinating.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Not only did it give me incredibly detailed analysis, more
so than even what I had gotten from a pretty
long sit down with my doctor about it, but I
could do follow up questions, get incredible deep dive information
in real time about anything. So to me, that's just
one little test case of how AI. This was all
through an AI system. How AI is going to change
things for people out there right now, Whether you're you know,
(28:25):
you're working for a mid sized company, whether you own
a car dealership, whether you work at a hardware store,
you're a truck driver. Like, what are the ways that
at a summing like this you can see the world
is going to change and the ways that it will
affect people in their day to day Let's start with
any of the positives before we worry about Skynet, you know,
leading us in a nuclear war. Like, what are the
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things that you see really getting better, more efficient, more helpful,
and more wealth creation going for people.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
Well, you know, the funny thing about this is that
it's the marriage of this incredible new sinking about algorithms
and data and really taking this unique ability to collate
all this intelligence in artificial intelligence. But it's the marriage
(29:14):
of that with infrastructure, data centers, and new energy capabilities.
So at the SUMMT, I guess the one thing that
would probably surprise people the most is the fact that
this boom is going to have huge implications for blot
collar jobs. So Mike Row was there and he was saying,
this is unbelievable because what's happening is that there's going
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to be this huge demand for welders and steam fitters
and pipe fitters and electricians to build out this enormous
infrastructure because AI requires enormous energy, and so energy demand
is going to triple over the next fifteen years, and
that's going to create this enormous opportunity for skilled workers.
(29:57):
So I think that's one of the maybe surprising dimensions
of it. At the same time, it's also going to
put enormous pressure on certain types of white collar jobs.
You know, I just did a couple of AI searches
this morning on my positions, just to see what they
would say. I said, what's Dave McCormick's position on Ukraine?
(30:18):
And it laid out in excruciating detail my positions on
Ukraine and what we should be doing there, and.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
By the way, accurately in your mind when you.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
This was very extremely accurate. It drew on all sorts
of different it. You could have written the article. My
point is you could have basically said, if you're a reporter,
you could have asked that question and that would have
been ninety percent of the article. And so it's going
to put pressure on all sorts of white collar opportunities
which are in the software industry. I was with Satinadella
(30:53):
not long ago, the SEO of Microsoft, and I asked
him the impact. He said, you know, teeth eighty percent
of the development at work that our software developers used
to do can now be done by AI, which is
really good in his mind because that allows our developers
to focus on the twenty percent or the ten percent
that's the highest value. But this is going to put
(31:14):
enormous pressure on certain types of jobs. And listen, this
is a new reality. So my view is that America
and Pennsylvania needs to embrace this change and be at
the forefront, be leaders in it, because unfortunately it's inevitable
and the stakes of not being the leader are so high.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I think what you just said is so interesting there
about the search that you did on your policy on Ukraine.
I have been hammering this for a lot of writers
out there, and I'm sure you've seen this a lot day.
From the background of a business guy, so much of
life is figuring out what added value can you provide?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I mean, in whatever job you do, what can you
do that's better better than the average guy or gal
that might be doing your job. One thing that I
think this is going to require of everybody is mediocrity
is going to be replaced quickly by AI. So whether
you're selling cars or whether you're writing articles or whatever
(32:17):
you are doing in the larger universe, I would suggest
familiarize yourself with AI because it can take you to
a different level of excellence. But if you're not pursuing
excellence in what you do, you're going to be very replaceable.
Would that be a good contextualization you think business wise?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I really I agree with you one hundred percent, and
I also think you know, listen, this change changes.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
It's hard. I mean, there's a lot of anxiety out
there and I understand that. And there are genuine and
legitimate concerns about the national security implications of AI, the
privacy implication. So there there is UH. As Buck said,
there's a there's there's there's pros, and there's cons However,
it is coming. This is an enormous transformation, and I
(33:01):
think we need to lean into it and recognize that
leadership UH and controlling our destiny is we can't put
our heads in the sand and think this isn't happening.
Controlling our destiny as a nation, as a commonwealth in Pennsylvania,
and as individuals is the only way through it. And
I agree with you it's in many ways, AI is
(33:22):
going to ensure and enforce even more of a meritocracy
in the sense that those who can contribute unique value
I think are going to be the beneficiaries of it.
And as I said, it's not what it's iron the
irony is. I think those with you know, unique skills,
uh in the in the in the building trades, in
the blue collar world may have a really unique moment.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
You know, Senator, I saw that the that that Google
is working through what is a brook Field too and
this came up at the AI saw it to get
access to hydro electric power plants. Right, So the the
energy need of this AI revolution are going to be
a challenge all all on its own and all on
(34:08):
their own, And so I'm just wondering, do we have
some sense as to one, how much of an expansion
of the of the grid we're going to need.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And then how is the.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Trump administration trying to align with the not just the
the idea of drill, baby drill, but everything we're talking nuclear,
all all of the above to try to meet what's
going to be power needs a surge beyond anything we've
seen before.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
I mean, I'm ting guys, this this thing was awesome.
I mean I was so proud, proud to be part
of it. And it was you know, we had we
had sixty major CEOs, twenty companies that made announcements, and
you know, this was something I'd asked the President if
he'd be willing to do, right right after I won
the election, I said, would you come to Pennsylvania. You know,
he had campaigned in twenty seventeen he made the famous
(34:57):
line that I'm more worried about serving the people of
Pittsburgh than the people of Paris. As related to the Paris,
of course, so he comes, We invite these CEOs. We
have a big chunk of the cabinet there Sartrey Besson,
secretary at Lutnik, sar Ty Bergham sectary, right, Lee Zelden,
David Sachs. Just this unbelievable collection, and the CEO is there.
(35:20):
Announced ninety two billion dollars of investment. This is in
Some of these things have been working on for years.
Some of these things are are brand new, out of
the blue. Twenty five billion dollar investment by Blackstone in
two major data center campuses in northeastern Pennsylvania. And if
you look at the investments, they split up, which is
(35:41):
instructive to your question about thirty six billion dollars of
data centers, there was another thirty five billion dollars of
energy infrastructure. This is transmission to meet the needs distribution operations.
First Energy made a huge fifteen billion dollar announcement of
investing in energy infrastructure because you've got to have the
(36:01):
data centers, you've got to have the infrastructure, and you've
got to have the energy project. So there was a
huge announcements around conversions of coal to natural gas plants.
A Westinghouse directly related to the President's Executive Order on
Nuclear Power, announced commitment to building two or ten new
(36:23):
nuclear reactors six billion dollars. So to your question, to
make this work, you need investment in data, you need
investment in infrastructure, you need investment in production. And Pennsylvania
is kind of unique because we've got we're the second
largest energy producer in the country, fourth largest natural gas
reserves in the world, huge nuclear installed base. You know,
(36:47):
microsoftist did a big deal with Constellation on Three Mile Island.
Who would have thought, so, you know, there's no way
to meet this energy demand, which is going to triple
in the next fifteen years without embracing all forms of
energy that I mean, subsidizing them what they've got to
be economic, all forms of energy, and then having the
infrastructure to make sure that we keep prices low for
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consumers and that we meet this big surge and create
these great jobs for Pennsylvania's.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Last question for you, and you can tell me if
you think I'm crazy. I know you were at Butler Pennsylvania.
We've talked with you. As the one year anniversary comes near.
We've talked with you about what that experience was like.
You've heard gunfire before, you immediately recognized it. I said
on the show this week, as we talked about the
one year anniversary and the implications and significance that I
(37:35):
thought Butler pa that location should become a national monument
of sorts, used as a not only historical location, but
also as a testament to combating political violence.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Is this a crazy idea or do you think the idea?
Speaker 7 (37:52):
I love it. I love it, Clay.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And I loved it too, Senator. So Clay is getting
a lot of traction here, a lot of the audience right.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Well, can I help you and you've got a lot
more influence on this, but this is your state. I
don't want that place. And look, I live on the
battlefield of Franklin, Tennessee. You know, I'm a history nerd.
Sometimes history gets paved over and we forget decades one
hundred years later, You're like, man, I wish I could
really see this battlefield, or I wish I could experience
(38:19):
the significance of this place as it might have looked
then and understand why it's culturally resonant to me. Butler
can be that not only today, but I think as
the passions of the day fade, for kids and grandkids
out there who want to study the Trump era and
understand how close we came to disaster there. I like
the idea of creating a monument that's opposed to political violence. Thankfully,
(38:43):
it wasn't a side of political violence. We don't have
to be an RFK, MLK or JFK like site, but
so it's not deally plaza, thankfully, but why not create
something that is significant there?
Speaker 7 (38:55):
And long time, I think it's a great idea. I
hadn't thought of it, but it's a great idea. And
I do say memorializing what happened there. And frankly, you
know you've been a strong voice in this. This is
across political parties. You know, not long ago we had
an arson attack on our governor here in Pennsylvania. Wo's
a Democrat, so correct, we need to speak out clearly
and decisively against political violence. And I think memorializing I
(39:19):
say that to people you know, as you know, I
was right there on the stage. Yes, it's like being
next to the limousine when Kennedy was shot the convertible
in in in Dallas, like this is this is an
iconic moment of American history. And thank god, yes that
we missed. The sniper missed the president. The assassin missed
(39:40):
present the president by an inch. And I love the
idea of memorializing that. So that's something maybe we can
talk about offline. But I like that idea, Clay, and
you know you're listen. You're a You're a font of
good ideas.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
Is he always like to fuck?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
He certainly has the confidence for it, I will say.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
I will.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I'm not saying everything is brilliant, but I do have
to me this is one that does make sense. Poor
Buck has to listen to ideas like this all day.
But Senator, you can help make this happen. I'd just
like to see the site preserved. And I do think
it's a it's a worthy idea for generations to come.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
It's a great idea.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Let me run with it.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Thank you, Clay.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck Trump.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
I just want to have some fun with this one because.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
We spoke about AOC before and I said, I think
she's too dumb to be the Democrat leader in general
of the country. But you know, I'm also I go
back and forth on that because she does have some
things going for her. And here is Trump. He just
waded in today on AOC. Did you see this? This
is cut thirty six. The Commander in Chief has some
(40:47):
thoughts and he agrees with Buck, which is not a
surprise player, you know AOC.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
Look. I think she's very nice, but she's very low IQ,
and we really don't need low IQ between.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Her and Crockett.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
We're gonna give them both an IQ test to see
who comes out best. Now, I took my test. I
took a real test at Walter Reed Medical Center, and
I haste it. I got every one of all those
questions right now, it's time for them to take a test.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Oh my goodness, would you say she's very nice, but
she's also very dub That is very vintage Trump. And
I would just point out that right now, the top
Democrat according to polling from the state of Texas in
the Senate race next year is Jasmine Crockett. Can you
imagine run, Jasmine run. I think the people of Texas
(41:40):
need to hear all of your arguments more fully articulated
and developed, and I think you would be a sterling
representative of the Democrat Party in the lone Star state.
But that is the potential. I mean a lot of people,
I think are stunned to find out that jasminc. Crockett
is from Texas because you think of Texans as not
Jasmin Crockett, AOC New York. I think a lot of
(42:02):
people are like, yeah, that's New York. And obviously there
is no.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
There's no spokesperson or brand affiliation with Crockett Coffee, just
to be clear, totally separate venture, we have nothing to
do with. Because you know, Trump's referring to Crockett there.
I would love it if he was talking about the
Great American coffee company of Crockett Coffee, but different, different situation,
and there's no no.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
No relation that we're aware of between Jasmine Crockett and
Davy Crockett, and certainly no relationship with the Crockett Coffee Company.
She is definitely in the state of Texas, detracting from
the overall brand appeal of the Davy Crockett brand by
being the most prominent Crockett in the state.
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