July 25, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the political fallout of the Russiagate scandal, the media’s role in perpetuating misinformation, and the enduring political strength of President Donald Trump. Clay Travis opens the hour with personal anecdotes before launching into a powerful monologue comparing Trump’s 2016 election victory to Tom Brady’s first Super Bowl win—an unexpected upset that later proved to be the beginning of a legendary run. This analogy underscores the central theme: Trump’s underestimated political talent and the establishment’s refusal to accept his legitimacy.
The hour explores how Democrats, unable to comprehend Hillary Clinton’s loss, fueled the Russia collusion narrative. Clay argues that this disbelief birthed the Russiagate hoax, which he claims was orchestrated by the deep state, intelligence agencies, and mainstream media. He emphasizes that the Steele dossier and other allegations were part of a broader effort to delegitimize Trump’s presidency.
Listeners call in to weigh in on the origins of the Russia investigation, Hillary Clinton’s role, and the media’s complicity. One caller suggests that Clinton’s loss triggered a psychological spiral, while another highlights how the narrative was used to distract from Trump’s policy successes. Clay reinforces that Trump’s presidency—particularly the first six months—has delivered on key issues like the economy, border security, and crime reduction.
The discussion also touches on the Epstein files, with Clay warning conservatives not to fall into traps set by Democrats using right-wing criticisms to attack Trump. He urges listeners to focus on Trump’s intent and accomplishments rather than personal controversies, arguing that many of the attacks against him are politically motivated and lack substance.
Throughout the hour, Clay stresses the importance of recognizing Trump as a generational political force, comparing his impact to that of Ronald Reagan. He critiques the intelligence community’s political bias and calls for greater accountability and balance in government institutions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Walk back in hour number two, Clay Travis Buck Sexton
Show appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Rolling
through the Friday edition of the show, Buck and his
lovely wife Carrie, and their little baby boy are visiting
with his dad for his dad's birthday. He will be
back with me on Monday. They've taken the first trip
with the baby. He did not cry on the airplane,
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which is good for Buck because at some point we're
gonna have to pull back up the audio of Buck
talking about how baby should never cry on airplanes. I
think it was like the first year that we were together,
before he was married, before he had a kid of
his own. Now, his baby has so far been very
good on an airplane. But I told him, I test.
I was like, dude, at some point, every one of
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my kids has thrown up on me on an airplane,
all three of them, and at different times when they
were young. And I told him, at some point, the
wheels are gonna come off, and you're gonna come on,
You're gonna tell me about and I'm going to pull
the audio of you talking about I don't know why
the parents just don't stop that baby from crying like.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I what's the deal. Just tell the baby to stop crying.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So so far, baby boy Sexton has not cried on
the airplane, but I'm telling you this is coming. We've
been talking about the fallout of Russia Gate, also the
continued discussion surrounding the Epstein files and everything going on there,
and we've got a ton of you that want to
weigh in. But I do want to go back to
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something that I said yesterday because I think it actually
goes to the root of how all of this started.
You ever go back to the root of things and say,
how do we ever get in this mess to start with?
I think it's super instructive. It reminds me of my
golf game. I don't play golf that often, but what
I love about golf is you have to constantly follow
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what you did before, and that, to me is why
golf is a perfect distillation of life. If you hit
a bad shot, you have to deal with the consequences
of the bad shot. And trust me, I deal with
the consequences of a lot of bad shots in my
golf game. When you shank a shot off to the
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right and you're in the trees, presuming that you are
playing golf as it is intended to get play. Sometimes
you don't. You don't get to pick the ball up
and throw it back into the center of the fairway.
You have to play the ball where it lies. You
have to deal with a really difficult second shot, and
sometimes you get the choice to make do you try
to hit a hero shot on that second shot or
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do you take your medicine and just knock it back
in the fairway and be prepared for the third. And
I understand some of you don't play golf, but I
think the metaphor of life and golf interplays very well.
And if you finish the round, you go back and
you can say, boy, where did my game really go.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Fall apart?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So it may be like you just stake a golf
and that's me, and so there's no one thing that
you did wrong. But if you're a really good golfer,
you can go back and you can say, boy, on eight,
I really had the wrong club there. I didn't factor
in the wind, and that's when my round kind of
fell apart and I never really came back from it.
I think about this as it pertains to Russia Gate,
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and I think this is so important.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Why did Russia Gate.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Happen because Democrats couldn't figure out how Trump won. They
thought Hillary was a shoe in. They wanted to shatter
the glass ceiling, they wanted all of the balloons to
come falling, and they couldn't comprehend that they lost to Trump.
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This reality television show guy, this what in their mind,
thoroughly unserious candidate. I was thinking about it this week
and I came up with an analogy that some of
you may think is crazy, but up you you're going
to be like, you know what, Yeah, I totally see it.
Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the history of
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the NFL. Now, some of you may be out there,
die hard cold to Broncos fans. You might be arguing
Peyton Manning. Some of you are Kansas City Chiefs fans.
You may argue for Patrick Mahomes. But I want to
take you back to the inception of Tom Brady for
a moment. In two thousand and two, Tom Brady won
his first Super Bowl and they beat Rushes, heavily favored
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at the time, still in Saint Louis Rams football team.
Some of you are going to remember that game, and
a lot of people said, how in the world did
this happen? How did Kurt Warner NFL MVP, probably the
best quarterback in the NFL at that point in time,
greatest show on turf, best offense. The Rams were a
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huge favorite in that game to win their second straight
Super Bowl, or nearly the second straight Super Bowl, and
instead they lost, and everybody said, how in the world
did this happen? How did the Rams who were so good?
Kurt Warner throws for over three hundred yards. I was
actually during the commercial break, I was looking up the
stats on this game because I thought it was interesting.
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And Kurt Warner threw for over three hundred yards. Tom
Brady didn't do hardly anything. Kurt Warner three hundred and
sixty five yards passing, Tom Brady one hundred and forty
five yards passing. It was a big difference in numbers.
People said, man, this is a huge upset. I don't
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know how this happened. How did Tom Brady beat Kurt Warner. Well,
then come to find out, actually Tom Brady's one of
the greatest of all time, and he would go on
and he would win six more Super Bowls, play in
ten total Super Bowls, and in retrospect, you go back
and you look at that two two thousand and two
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Super Bowl and you say, boy, that was just the
first sign that this guy was built different. And over
time everybody came to see, oh, yeah, Kurt Warner, he's
a good quarterback, but Brady was different. I would submit
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to you that the twenty sixteen election, a lot of
people didn't get yet that Donald Trump was built different.
And so in the immediate aftermath, they're saying, boy, Hillary Clinton,
she's Kurt Warner, she's the rams, she's the favorite, she
should never lose this election. And the original sin of
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all of Russia Gate was a disbelief in Donald Trump's
innate political gifts. Think about where we are right now.
I loved watching Tom Brady when he played for the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers because I knew we didn't have a
lot of time left with Tom Brady and I just
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wanted to celebrate his career. I feel that way about
Trump right now. People are climbing all over attacking him
and everything else. But the reason Russia Gate happened was
because Democrats hadn't seen yet that Trump was built different.
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I think the best president since Reagan on the Republican
side generational political talent, and so much like when Brady
won that first super Bowl, they didn't know what was
to come. They went back and they said something had
to happen other than just Trump being the politician that
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he is, the political talent that he is. They thought
that he was just a total schmuck, and so they
said something had to happen here. There's no way that
Hillary really lost this election to that guy. There's no
way Kurt Warner just lost the Super Bowl to Tom Brady.
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And now as we sit in twenty twenty five, I
am telling you we are rapidly accelerating towards instead of
being Hitler. Soon you're going to start here Democrats acknowledge
Trump is actually the greatest political talent of the Republican
Party in two generations. They're gonna pivot really quickly from
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the guy's Hitler to They're never going to be able
to replicate what this guy is capable of. Why do
I bring all this to bear. Don't take for granted
the immense, incredible good fortune that we have with Donald
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Trump in office right now.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Because he's not perfection.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think there is an element out there, and I
think the Epstein case is a part of it where
we have I think the greatest six months that we
have ever seen in my life of a president doing
exactly what he said he was going to do, economy,
border crime. He could not have delivered better than he has.
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And we have an innate tendency to decide to fixate
on the one thing that's not perfect, the two things
that aren't exactly what we would have done if we
were in that position, and not enjoy and appreciate the
good fortune that we actually find ourselves in right now.
And I think Democrats, if you go back and look
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at the origination of why Russia Gate happened, it was
simply because they couldn't comprehend hind that Trump was as
good of a political.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Thoroughbred as he was. Now.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Look, I decided, and some of you are gonna be
upset about this. I decided once and for all when
Trump took a bullet that I was not going to
take him for granted. When he got his ear clipped,
I said, I will run through a wall for this guy.
I have got his back for this entire term. Doesn't
mean he's going to be perfect, doesn't mean that we're
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not going to come on this show and sometimes say, boy,
I wish he'd done that a little bit different. I
wish he'd been less of a bullet a china shop.
I wish they had communicated on this issue a little
bit better. But I focus a lot on intent. What
is the goal, and if your intent is a good place,
sometimes you're going to screw things up. And I think
sports is another good analogy of this. It's frustrating when
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a player jumps off sides on third down, but it's
an error of trying to do too much. I would
rather somebody try to do too much and sometimes screw up,
then not be able to take aggressive action and not
do enough. Trump's errors, if you go look at him,
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are almost always going to be trying to do too much.
He's trying to make too much happen. He's trying to
change too much. He's trying to do as much as
he possibly can in what is a relatively short period
of time. I'm a history nerd. The older I get,
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the more I sit around and say, boy, you know,
a four year presidential term is really not very much time,
and even eight years it's really not very much time.
We got Supreme Court justices with lifetime tenure. We got
senators that are going to be in office for forty years,
eight years. Any one man, any one president, is automatically circumscribed. Trump,
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if he is guilty of anything right now, is guilty
of trying to do too much simultaneously. And I just
think again, be careful in trying to attack someone who
is doing so much immense good right now. The top
attack of Democrats actually originated with Republicans. They're coming after
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Trump over Epstein. Not because the Democrats have been right
on Epstein, God forbid. They set on the files for
four years, they didn't release anything, they barely even mentioned it,
and now they're going to come after Trump, who just
got into office six months ago, over Epstein. Be very
very careful when you are playing into the hands of
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the people that hate Trump. In the back of your mind,
be thinking that primary Democrat attack now on Trump is
related to Epstein. Are their hands clean on this? Have
they actually done anything? All they're doing is using right
wing attacks on Trump to actually use and mobilize the
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left against him. Again, I'm gonna take a bunch of
your calls, We're going to weigh in, But I just
want you to think about that the origination.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Where did Russia Gate come from? It came from Trump.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Can't actually have won. It's like Brady when he beat
Kurt Warner. Before we knew how good Tom Brady was.
Now I understand some of you knew that in sixteen.
Some of you had your eyes open in fifteen when
Trump came down the escalator. Other people came on board
different times. Some of you voted in Trump twenty some
of you voted Trump twenty four in the first time.
I think most of you out there listening have come
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to see his unique political skill and talents.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Again.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think he's the greatest Republican president since Reagan. And
I think Trump, in his mind is making a run
for the ages. His aspiration is not to be the
best since Reagan. I think he wants to be better
than Reagan. This guy's ambition is not, as we all know,
to be good. It's to be the greatest ever. We'll
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show can hit
a bunch of your calls here. Uh what do you
do when the totally unexpected happens? A lot of times
you create narratives to explain how the totally unexpected happened? Marian,
South Carolina, what you got for us?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, honey, I just had a quick thought and I thought, well,
I think the story on Russia is all about Hillary.
I think she's the key to the evil thread. The
reason is in nineteen ninety two, sixty minutes was on
Bill and Hillary were being interviewed. Really didn't know them.
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He didn't get inaugurate, I think till ninety three. So
my daughter, who is seven years old, started screaming, turn
the TV off, Turn the TV off. She said that
lady is scary and out of the miles of bay.
To think that thirty three years ago, a seven year
old child saw the scary ladies who I believe is
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quite an evil lady, and I think she's the key
to this evil.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I'll talk thank you for the call. I'll talk about
the Hillary angle here when I come back, because I
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Speaker 1 (18:49):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you for hanging out with us. Let me play
this cut and then I'll take your calls. Cut thirty.
I think it's important to remember just how aggressive the
liies all were that were used against Trump. Here is
Bernie Sanders saying Russia may be blackmailing Trump. We need
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Bucks Bernie impersonation, but I promise this is actually Bernie.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
This has cut thirty.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Trump doesn't understand what Russia has done not only to
our elections, but to cyber attacks against all parts of
our infrastructure. Either he doesn't understand it, or perhaps he
is being blackmailed Russia because they may have compromising information
about him. Or perhaps also you have a president who
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really does have strong authoritarian tendencies, and maybe he admires
the kind of government that Putin is running in Russia.
And I think all of that is a disgrace and
a disservice to the American people. And we have got
to make sure that Russia does not interfere not only
in our elections, but in other aspects.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Of our lives.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Bernie took his honeymoon in Russia, the idea that he
would be Hey, maybe he admires Russia.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
This guy during the Cold War.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Got married and decided there's anywhere in the world I
could go.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I think I want to go to Russia.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And then he's going to accuse Trump of having a
soft spot for Russia. I just think it's so funny,
but it is important to remember maybe he's a Russian asset.
You know how aggressive and crazy that is to say
about the President of the United States. You know, they
don't really have an answer for the question. Hey, this
is really simple question. If Trump were an asset of Russia,
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why did Vladimir putin wait until Joe Biden was in
office to invade Ukraine? If he had Trump by well,
I'll just say it the balls. If he had Trump
dead to rights because of some sort of compromising information,
why didn't he invade Ukraine when Trump was in office?
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Nobody can explain that. Why did he wait until Joe
Biden was in office to invade Ukraine?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Nobody's ever really explained this to me either, What would
Russia have on Trump? Then that is worse than what
the Democrats have said about Trump for the last decade.
You slept with a porn star while your wife had
a baby at home. Not a great thing to have
people say about you. Just gonna throw it out there.
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You raped somebody at a dressing room in New York City.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Not something that I would want people to be saying
about me.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Is there really anything that Russia could have ever said
about Trump that was actually worse than what Democrats were
already saying about Trump?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's the part. Why didn't he invade.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
While he was there? Okay, they don't have an answer
for that. What could be worse than what you're already
saying about Trump? You're a racist Nazi who slept with
a porn star while your wife had a baby at home,
and also you raped a woman in a dressing room
in a New York City department store. I don't know
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what else you could say that's worse. Oh, you slept
with some random girl in Russia? Okay, Like, what did
we think that Russia had on? Nobody can ever answer this.
What was so debilitating that Trump was so terrified of
that would actually have been worse than what Democrats were
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already saying about him.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
But when somebody says, hey, you're a racist Nazi and
they attack you, who you slept with, use you have
sexual assault, all these other different things, what.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Else is left?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That's honestly the result of twenty twenty four. I knew
Democrats were in trouble when they started saying, oh, he's
a he's an oligarch, Oh he's a fascist. They were
having to go further down the awful things to say
about you, food chain because racist Hitler all that stuff
wasn't working anymore, and they were panicking and they were
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actually insulting him with less insulting things that they could
say about him. But again, what was this compromising information
that was worse than what Russia was than what the
Democrats were already saying? Never made me since why wouldn't
they have invaded at that point in time? Tommy and Michigan?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
What you got for me?
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Hey, you forgot one thing. Remember what Hilary put out there?
They claimed Donald Trump was given golden showers to Russian hookers.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Remember that?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But I'm well totally, I mean, that was in the
Steel dossier. My point is, hold on My point is
even that is that worse than saying, hey, you slept
with a porn star while your wife was home with
a baby, or you raped somebody in a in a dressing.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Room like they all.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
When you go that way, at some point people are
just like, either you don't believe it, or you kind
of end up in a situation where you're like, there's
just so many accusations. Whatever opinion you have of Trump
is already baked in. And I think that's the problem
that Democrats have run into. And that's my point on
the Russian compromising information. If somebody said, hey, Clayton, trust me,
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there are people who say clay Travis is a racist,
Nazi supporting, philandering, life beating, you know, child abusing, Like
every awful thing that could be said about me, somebody
has said on the internet right at some point in time,
a fraction as often as they've said it about Trump.
But at some point in time you just have to say, well,
if you're only attacking the guy for personal issues, what
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are you so afraid of about the political arguments that
he's making. And I think that's where the American public
got I'm not saying Trump's the saint. He certainly isn't
He screwed up and made a lot of awful decisions
in his life, both personal private business, like every single
person on the planet. But he is also right on
a ton of political issues. And I think the American
public eventually says, well, if you're attacking Trump personally instead
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of addressing the substance of the political arguments that he's making,
at some point in time, the American public is smart
enough to say, wait a minute, why can't they just
go toe to toe with him on the actual political issues.
Let's just presume that nobody is perfect, that everybody in
politics is screwed up in their life, just like everybody
else in the whole world has screwed up at some
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point in their life. And hey, the fact that they
can't actually debate them on the issues is a sign
that they're not right on the issues. Sorry to cut
you off, what you got for us. The additionally thing, it's.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Like, you know what, this whole this whole Russian collision,
it was defunked a year ago with Jake Capper on CNN.
He came out and said it was all a hoax,
the whole Russian you know, the Russian dotsia, the whole
It was all created by Hillary Clinton. Jake Capper from
CNN came out and said it was a hope. It
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was debunked on CNN, and now the Democrats are trying
to bring out this Oh well, you know what, because
they knew this was They're the masters at diversionary tectics.
They knew Trump was coming out with this thing against
Obama and how they try to You know, Brennan and Komi,
those guys are going down. Obama's got presidential immunity, but
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the other guys are probably going down, and they know this.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I think you're you're skipping in and out. We're losing
a little bit of the audience.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I think that the Intelligence Agency Apparatus CIA, FBI, all
those guys, I think they're in more legal peril for
show than Obama is. I think Obama's gonna skate because
he has presidential privilege.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Again.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Trump said that we played that audio for you earlier.
We've been telling you that all week. I don't want
to overpromise and under deliver to you guys, because I
trust all of you to be intelligent and an analyst
of all of the news that's out there, and I
think you should listen to people like me and Buck
and over time say hey, are they being honest with us?
Are they analyzing the larger news arena and telling us
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exactly what we think? Doesn't mean we're going to be perfect.
I thought we were going to get a red wave
in twenty twenty two. It's one hundred percent wrong. Didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And by the way, I think that's the reason Obama
sorry that Biden got to stay in office. And I
think that's the reason we got the red wave in
twenty twenty four. But we were early on that, we
saw the wave building. That was one that I got
completely wrong. I had to come in and tell you guys, hey,
that I was wrong on this. We got it in
twenty four, we were early on it. We didn't get
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it in twenty two. Got it wrong. I'll own it.
Buck had to own it when he said, hey, they'll
never kick Biden to the curb. I ended up getting
that one right. One or the other of us going
to be right. Sometimes. Most of the time, I think
one of the other of us is going to be wrong.
Sometimes rarely will we both be wrong. I think on
everything like Biden, was it his presidency, ted and Nebraska
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what you got for.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Us picking my call. I think your analysis of al
shot the Democrats were because of a neal fight winning
is all true November. Once they knew everything changed and
they I mean, it wasn't benign.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
They just hated him.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
He was an existential threat from immigration in the whole
nine yards they started with Sessions got him out of
the way so they could legally attack him flim. They
didn't want him in the Pentagon. With all of that,
it's not that they they tried to perpetrate this Russian hoax.
It's the fact they perpetrated the Russian hoax with the
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deep state. His own party was part of it, the
media was part of it, the deep state, the Democrats.
This is the biggest scandal in the history of the
United States, and everyone involved in this has to go down.
I don't agree with the other caller. I think everyone's
going to skate on this because of statute of limitations
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and everything else. But this is just over the top.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I appreciate the call it, I unfortunately think that it's
more likely they're going to skate than they're going to
be prosecuted. I do think this matter is in a
big way for the historical record, and I also think, look,
I went off a little bit yesterday. I also think
we have to accept that intelligence agencies are very often
intensely political, and I think one of the legacies of
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the Trump era is going to be establishing just how
political our government is.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
On a day to day basis. Everything is political, and
so this.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Idea, well, We're going to be completely balanced in intelligence
agencies or the Department of Justice or anywhere else. Sadly
that's not the case. I think Trump has brought it
back closer to balance, to evenness. But when you have
an entire agency that would vote eighty percent Democrat and
twenty percent Republican, it's impossible to have balance. And by
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the way, I think this is true of all the
universities too. In order to have balance, you basically have
to have half the people that believe one thing half
the people that believe the other thing. That is the
very essence of balance, and then you let those people
fight it out inside of your company or even better,
and this is what Google has finally started to do.
(30:45):
They just say, hey, work is not where politics should happen.
That's kind of where we were for most of the
eighties and the nineties and the early two thousands. I
think we had reached this sort of grudging status quo
and we weren't trying to influence politics on everything, and
then Trump got elected and broke everybody's brain. And I
(31:06):
mentioned as we went to break, we had to call
her that was on talking about how her daughter reacted
to Hillary. I think it was LORII in South Carolina
that we had on there, and I said I would
mention Hillary. I think Hillary's brain was broken by the
loss in twenty sixteen, and I think she was like
Kurt Warner losing to Tom Brady before we realized how
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good of a talent Brady was. The analogy that I
made that explains how all of Russia collusion, in my mind,
came to happen. They had to come up with a
reason other than Trump's in eight talents why the result
happened as it did, and I think they delegitimized and
de emphasized the talents of Trump. I think Hillary secretly
was super ecstatic when she saw Kamala get swamped in
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twenty twenty four, because I think at that point in
time she even if she won't say it publicly, could
start to think, hey, maybe I didn't completely screw up everything.
Maybe Trump's just a really good politician. And I think
when he swamped Kamala and he knocked Biden out of
the race. I think she will never say it, but
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I think Hillary got some peace for the trauma that
she felt from losing that race. I think it spiraled
her out of control. I think she had to look
at external factors. Whenever something bad happens, the first thing
that most people do is look for other people that
are the cause of the bad thing happening.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
This is just life.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
If you just got divorced, it's very rare that the
first thought you have is, you know what, I completely
screwed that up. This is all on me. I should
have been way better. You may work through that eventually
and be like, boy, I wasn't a great husband. I
wasn't a great wife. If you're fighting with your kids,
it's very rare that you're like, hey, maybe I wasn't
as good of a parent. Maybe I've screwed some of
this relationship up. Self analysis is really hard, and even
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tougher than that is recognizing that you may well have
caused most of the problems that externally surround you. Noways say,
I think the phrase energy vampire is real. But if
you're a person and you're like boy, everybody around me
is a jerk and everything is always screwed up, and
why you ever think maybe it's you? This is what
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I always say. Football coaches are great on this. There's
a phrase that I also like. I like energy vampire.
You're sucking all the energy out of other people. I
also love the phrase that coaches share with me. Sometimes
they say, you know, being a coach is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
College.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Same thing in the draft, but college in particular phrases
we recruit our problems. Do you ever think about how
powerful that phrase is? Most of life you create and
recruit the own problems that you will face, and once
you take ownership of that. And I don't think Hillary
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could take ownership of her loss. Oh it's Russia, Oh
it's they cheated. Until you can look at internally and say, boy,
I screwed that up.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
That's on me, my bad.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You can't get over whatever happened to you because there's
always an external excuse. There's always someone else to blame.
In all of life. I think Hillary lost in sixteen,
and I think she couldn't comprehend that she could have
lost to Trump. And I think when Trump kicked Kamala's
ass and knocked Joe Biden out of office, I think
Hillary was secretly smiling and loving all of it, because
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in her mind she maybe started to recognize, Hey, I
lost to a thoroughbred political talent in twenty sixteen. That stinks,
but it wasn't just that I failed. It's that Trump's
really good. And I bet if you talked to Kurt
Warner now, I bet he felt really bad about losing
that first Super Bowl to Tom Brady. I bet when
he saw Tom Brady win six more Super Bowls, he
was like, Dude, this guy's legit. I just lost to
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the goat. I didn't play well, we could have done better,
but there's no no harm in losing to somebody who's
excellent in all of life. And I think Hillary's come
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Walk back in hour number two, Clay Travis Buck Sexton
Show appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Rolling
through the Friday edition of the show, Buck and his
lovely wife Carrie, and their little baby boy are visiting
with his dad for his dad's birthday. He will be
back with me on Monday. They've taken the first trip
with the baby. He did not cry on the airplane,
(00:23):
which is good for Buck because at some point we're
gonna have to pull back up the audio of Buck
talking about how baby should never cry on airplanes. I
think it was like the first year that we were together,
before he was married, before he had a kid of
his own. Now, his baby has so far been very
good on an airplane. But I told him, I test.
I was like, dude, at some point, every one of
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my kids has thrown up on me on an airplane,
all three of them, and at different times when they
were young. And I told him, at some point, the
wheels are gonna come off, and you're gonna come on,
You're gonna tell me about and I'm going to pull
the audio of you talking about I don't know why
the parents just don't stop that baby from crying like.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I what's the deal. Just tell the baby to stop crying.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So so far, baby boy Sexton has not cried on
the airplane, but I'm telling you this is coming. We've
been talking about the fallout of Russia Gate, also the
continued discussion surrounding the Epstein files and everything going on there,
and we've got a ton of you that want to
weigh in. But I do want to go back to
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something that I said yesterday because I think it actually
goes to the root of how all of this started.
You ever go back to the root of things and say,
how do we ever get in this mess to start with?
I think it's super instructive. It reminds me of my
golf game. I don't play golf that often, but what
I love about golf is you have to constantly follow
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what you did before, and that, to me is why
golf is a perfect distillation of life. If you hit
a bad shot, you have to deal with the consequences
of the bad shot. And trust me, I deal with
the consequences of a lot of bad shots in my
golf game. When you shank a shot off to the
(02:12):
right and you're in the trees, presuming that you are
playing golf as it is intended to get play. Sometimes
you don't. You don't get to pick the ball up
and throw it back into the center of the fairway.
You have to play the ball where it lies. You
have to deal with a really difficult second shot, and
sometimes you get the choice to make do you try
to hit a hero shot on that second shot or
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do you take your medicine and just knock it back
in the fairway and be prepared for the third. And
I understand some of you don't play golf, but I
think the metaphor of life and golf interplays very well.
And if you finish the round, you go back and
you can say, boy, where did my game really go.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Fall apart?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So it may be like you just stake a golf
and that's me, and so there's no one thing that
you did wrong. But if you're a really good golfer,
you can go back and you can say, boy, on eight,
I really had the wrong club there. I didn't factor
in the wind, and that's when my round kind of
fell apart and I never really came back from it.
I think about this as it pertains to Russia Gate,
(03:18):
and I think this is so important.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Why did Russia Gate.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Happen because Democrats couldn't figure out how Trump won. They
thought Hillary was a shoe in. They wanted to shatter
the glass ceiling, they wanted all of the balloons to
come falling, and they couldn't comprehend that they lost to Trump.
(03:45):
This reality television show guy, this what in their mind,
thoroughly unserious candidate. I was thinking about it this week
and I came up with an analogy that some of
you may think is crazy, but up you you're going
to be like, you know what, Yeah, I totally see it.
Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the history of
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the NFL. Now, some of you may be out there,
die hard cold to Broncos fans. You might be arguing
Peyton Manning. Some of you are Kansas City Chiefs fans.
You may argue for Patrick Mahomes. But I want to
take you back to the inception of Tom Brady for
a moment. In two thousand and two, Tom Brady won
his first Super Bowl and they beat Rushes, heavily favored
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at the time, still in Saint Louis Rams football team.
Some of you are going to remember that game, and
a lot of people said, how in the world did
this happen? How did Kurt Warner NFL MVP, probably the
best quarterback in the NFL at that point in time,
greatest show on turf, best offense. The Rams were a
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huge favorite in that game to win their second straight
Super Bowl, or nearly the second straight Super Bowl, and
instead they lost, and everybody said, how in the world
did this happen? How did the Rams who were so good?
Kurt Warner throws for over three hundred yards. I was
actually during the commercial break, I was looking up the
stats on this game because I thought it was interesting.
(05:18):
And Kurt Warner threw for over three hundred yards. Tom
Brady didn't do hardly anything. Kurt Warner three hundred and
sixty five yards passing, Tom Brady one hundred and forty
five yards passing. It was a big difference in numbers.
People said, man, this is a huge upset. I don't
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know how this happened. How did Tom Brady beat Kurt Warner. Well,
then come to find out, actually Tom Brady's one of
the greatest of all time, and he would go on
and he would win six more Super Bowls, play in
ten total Super Bowls, and in retrospect, you go back
and you look at that two two thousand and two
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Super Bowl and you say, boy, that was just the
first sign that this guy was built different. And over
time everybody came to see, oh, yeah, Kurt Warner, he's
a good quarterback, but Brady was different. I would submit
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to you that the twenty sixteen election, a lot of
people didn't get yet that Donald Trump was built different.
And so in the immediate aftermath, they're saying, boy, Hillary Clinton,
she's Kurt Warner, she's the rams, she's the favorite, she
should never lose this election. And the original sin of
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all of Russia Gate was a disbelief in Donald Trump's
innate political gifts. Think about where we are right now.
I loved watching Tom Brady when he played for the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers because I knew we didn't have a
lot of time left with Tom Brady and I just
(07:06):
wanted to celebrate his career. I feel that way about
Trump right now. People are climbing all over attacking him
and everything else. But the reason Russia Gate happened was
because Democrats hadn't seen yet that Trump was built different.
(07:27):
I think the best president since Reagan on the Republican
side generational political talent, and so much like when Brady
won that first super Bowl, they didn't know what was
to come. They went back and they said something had
to happen other than just Trump being the politician that
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he is, the political talent that he is. They thought
that he was just a total schmuck, and so they
said something had to happen here. There's no way that
Hillary really lost this election to that guy. There's no
way Kurt Warner just lost the Super Bowl to Tom Brady.
(08:16):
And now as we sit in twenty twenty five, I
am telling you we are rapidly accelerating towards instead of
being Hitler. Soon you're going to start here Democrats acknowledge
Trump is actually the greatest political talent of the Republican
Party in two generations. They're gonna pivot really quickly from
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the guy's Hitler to They're never going to be able
to replicate what this guy is capable of. Why do
I bring all this to bear. Don't take for granted
the immense, incredible good fortune that we have with Donald
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Trump in office right now.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Because he's not perfection.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think there is an element out there, and I
think the Epstein case is a part of it where
we have I think the greatest six months that we
have ever seen in my life of a president doing
exactly what he said he was going to do, economy,
border crime. He could not have delivered better than he has.
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And we have an innate tendency to decide to fixate
on the one thing that's not perfect, the two things
that aren't exactly what we would have done if we
were in that position, and not enjoy and appreciate the
good fortune that we actually find ourselves in right now.
And I think Democrats, if you go back and look
(09:52):
at the origination of why Russia Gate happened, it was
simply because they couldn't comprehend hind that Trump was as
good of a political.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Thoroughbred as he was. Now.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Look, I decided, and some of you are gonna be
upset about this. I decided once and for all when
Trump took a bullet that I was not going to
take him for granted. When he got his ear clipped,
I said, I will run through a wall for this guy.
I have got his back for this entire term. Doesn't
mean he's going to be perfect, doesn't mean that we're
(10:28):
not going to come on this show and sometimes say, boy,
I wish he'd done that a little bit different. I
wish he'd been less of a bullet a china shop.
I wish they had communicated on this issue a little
bit better. But I focus a lot on intent. What
is the goal, and if your intent is a good place,
sometimes you're going to screw things up. And I think
sports is another good analogy of this. It's frustrating when
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a player jumps off sides on third down, but it's
an error of trying to do too much. I would
rather somebody try to do too much and sometimes screw up,
then not be able to take aggressive action and not
do enough. Trump's errors, if you go look at him,
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are almost always going to be trying to do too much.
He's trying to make too much happen. He's trying to
change too much. He's trying to do as much as
he possibly can in what is a relatively short period
of time. I'm a history nerd. The older I get,
(11:31):
the more I sit around and say, boy, you know,
a four year presidential term is really not very much time,
and even eight years it's really not very much time.
We got Supreme Court justices with lifetime tenure. We got
senators that are going to be in office for forty years,
eight years. Any one man, any one president, is automatically circumscribed. Trump,
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if he is guilty of anything right now, is guilty
of trying to do too much simultaneously. And I just
think again, be careful in trying to attack someone who
is doing so much immense good right now. The top
attack of Democrats actually originated with Republicans. They're coming after
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Trump over Epstein. Not because the Democrats have been right
on Epstein, God forbid. They set on the files for
four years, they didn't release anything, they barely even mentioned it,
and now they're going to come after Trump, who just
got into office six months ago, over Epstein. Be very
very careful when you are playing into the hands of
(12:41):
the people that hate Trump. In the back of your mind,
be thinking that primary Democrat attack now on Trump is
related to Epstein. Are their hands clean on this? Have
they actually done anything? All they're doing is using right
wing attacks on Trump to actually use and mobilize the
(13:03):
left against him. Again, I'm gonna take a bunch of
your calls, We're going to weigh in, But I just
want you to think about that the origination.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Where did Russia Gate come from? It came from Trump.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Can't actually have won. It's like Brady when he beat
Kurt Warner. Before we knew how good Tom Brady was.
Now I understand some of you knew that in sixteen.
Some of you had your eyes open in fifteen when
Trump came down the escalator. Other people came on board
different times. Some of you voted in Trump twenty some
of you voted Trump twenty four in the first time.
I think most of you out there listening have come
(13:36):
to see his unique political skill and talents.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Again.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think he's the greatest Republican president since Reagan. And
I think Trump, in his mind is making a run
for the ages. His aspiration is not to be the
best since Reagan. I think he wants to be better
than Reagan. This guy's ambition is not, as we all know,
to be good. It's to be the greatest ever. We'll
(14:02):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show can hit
a bunch of your calls here. Uh what do you
do when the totally unexpected happens? A lot of times
you create narratives to explain how the totally unexpected happened? Marian,
South Carolina, what you got for us?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, honey, I just had a quick thought and I thought, well,
I think the story on Russia is all about Hillary.
I think she's the key to the evil thread. The
reason is in nineteen ninety two, sixty minutes was on
Bill and Hillary were being interviewed. Really didn't know them.
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He didn't get inaugurate, I think till ninety three. So
my daughter, who is seven years old, started screaming, turn
the TV off, Turn the TV off. She said that
lady is scary and out of the miles of bay.
To think that thirty three years ago, a seven year
old child saw the scary ladies who I believe is
(17:45):
quite an evil lady, and I think she's the key
to this evil.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I'll talk thank you for the call. I'll talk about
the Hillary angle here when I come back, because I
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you for hanging out with us. Let me play
this cut and then I'll take your calls. Cut thirty.
I think it's important to remember just how aggressive the
liies all were that were used against Trump. Here is
Bernie Sanders saying Russia may be blackmailing Trump. We need
(19:10):
Bucks Bernie impersonation, but I promise this is actually Bernie.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
This has cut thirty.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Trump doesn't understand what Russia has done not only to
our elections, but to cyber attacks against all parts of
our infrastructure. Either he doesn't understand it, or perhaps he
is being blackmailed Russia because they may have compromising information
about him. Or perhaps also you have a president who
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really does have strong authoritarian tendencies, and maybe he admires
the kind of government that Putin is running in Russia.
And I think all of that is a disgrace and
a disservice to the American people. And we have got
to make sure that Russia does not interfere not only
in our elections, but in other aspects.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Of our lives.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Bernie took his honeymoon in Russia, the idea that he
would be Hey, maybe he admires Russia.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
This guy during the Cold War.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Got married and decided there's anywhere in the world I
could go.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I think I want to go to Russia.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And then he's going to accuse Trump of having a
soft spot for Russia. I just think it's so funny,
but it is important to remember maybe he's a Russian asset.
You know how aggressive and crazy that is to say
about the President of the United States. You know, they
don't really have an answer for the question. Hey, this
is really simple question. If Trump were an asset of Russia,
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why did Vladimir putin wait until Joe Biden was in
office to invade Ukraine? If he had Trump by well,
I'll just say it the balls. If he had Trump
dead to rights because of some sort of compromising information,
why didn't he invade Ukraine when Trump was in office?
(21:04):
Nobody can explain that. Why did he wait until Joe
Biden was in office to invade Ukraine?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Nobody's ever really explained this to me either, What would
Russia have on Trump? Then that is worse than what
the Democrats have said about Trump for the last decade.
You slept with a porn star while your wife had
a baby at home. Not a great thing to have
people say about you. Just gonna throw it out there.
(21:38):
You raped somebody at a dressing room in New York City.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Not something that I would want people to be saying
about me.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Is there really anything that Russia could have ever said
about Trump that was actually worse than what Democrats were
already saying about Trump?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's the part. Why didn't he invade.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
While he was there? Okay, they don't have an answer
for that. What could be worse than what you're already
saying about Trump? You're a racist Nazi who slept with
a porn star while your wife had a baby at home,
and also you raped a woman in a dressing room
in a New York City department store. I don't know
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what else you could say that's worse. Oh, you slept
with some random girl in Russia? Okay, Like, what did
we think that Russia had on? Nobody can ever answer this.
What was so debilitating that Trump was so terrified of
that would actually have been worse than what Democrats were
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already saying about him.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
But when somebody says, hey, you're a racist Nazi and
they attack you, who you slept with, use you have
sexual assault, all these other different things, what.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Else is left?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That's honestly the result of twenty twenty four. I knew
Democrats were in trouble when they started saying, oh, he's
a he's an oligarch, Oh he's a fascist. They were
having to go further down the awful things to say
about you, food chain because racist Hitler all that stuff
wasn't working anymore, and they were panicking and they were
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actually insulting him with less insulting things that they could
say about him. But again, what was this compromising information
that was worse than what Russia was than what the
Democrats were already saying? Never made me since why wouldn't
they have invaded at that point in time? Tommy and Michigan?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
What you got for me?
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Hey, you forgot one thing. Remember what Hilary put out there?
They claimed Donald Trump was given golden showers to Russian hookers.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Remember that?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But I'm well totally, I mean, that was in the
Steel dossier. My point is, hold on My point is
even that is that worse than saying, hey, you slept
with a porn star while your wife was home with
a baby, or you raped somebody in a in a dressing.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Room like they all.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
When you go that way, at some point people are
just like, either you don't believe it, or you kind
of end up in a situation where you're like, there's
just so many accusations. Whatever opinion you have of Trump
is already baked in. And I think that's the problem
that Democrats have run into. And that's my point on
the Russian compromising information. If somebody said, hey, Clayton, trust me,
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there are people who say clay Travis is a racist,
Nazi supporting, philandering, life beating, you know, child abusing, Like
every awful thing that could be said about me, somebody
has said on the internet right at some point in time,
a fraction as often as they've said it about Trump.
But at some point in time you just have to say, well,
if you're only attacking the guy for personal issues, what
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are you so afraid of about the political arguments that
he's making. And I think that's where the American public
got I'm not saying Trump's the saint. He certainly isn't
He screwed up and made a lot of awful decisions
in his life, both personal private business, like every single
person on the planet. But he is also right on
a ton of political issues. And I think the American
public eventually says, well, if you're attacking Trump personally instead
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of addressing the substance of the political arguments that he's making,
at some point in time, the American public is smart
enough to say, wait a minute, why can't they just
go toe to toe with him on the actual political issues.
Let's just presume that nobody is perfect, that everybody in
politics is screwed up in their life, just like everybody
else in the whole world has screwed up at some
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point in their life. And hey, the fact that they
can't actually debate them on the issues is a sign
that they're not right on the issues. Sorry to cut
you off, what you got for us. The additionally thing, it's.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Like, you know what, this whole this whole Russian collision,
it was defunked a year ago with Jake Capper on CNN.
He came out and said it was all a hoax,
the whole Russian you know, the Russian dotsia, the whole
It was all created by Hillary Clinton. Jake Capper from
CNN came out and said it was a hope. It
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was debunked on CNN, and now the Democrats are trying
to bring out this Oh well, you know what, because
they knew this was They're the masters at diversionary tectics.
They knew Trump was coming out with this thing against
Obama and how they try to You know, Brennan and Komi,
those guys are going down. Obama's got presidential immunity, but
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the other guys are probably going down, and they know this.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I think you're you're skipping in and out. We're losing
a little bit of the audience.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I think that the Intelligence Agency Apparatus CIA, FBI, all
those guys, I think they're in more legal peril for
show than Obama is. I think Obama's gonna skate because
he has presidential privilege.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Again.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Trump said that we played that audio for you earlier.
We've been telling you that all week. I don't want
to overpromise and under deliver to you guys, because I
trust all of you to be intelligent and an analyst
of all of the news that's out there, and I
think you should listen to people like me and Buck
and over time say hey, are they being honest with us?
Are they analyzing the larger news arena and telling us
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exactly what we think? Doesn't mean we're going to be perfect.
I thought we were going to get a red wave
in twenty twenty two. It's one hundred percent wrong. Didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And by the way, I think that's the reason Obama
sorry that Biden got to stay in office. And I
think that's the reason we got the red wave in
twenty twenty four. But we were early on that, we
saw the wave building. That was one that I got
completely wrong. I had to come in and tell you guys, hey,
that I was wrong on this. We got it in
twenty four, we were early on it. We didn't get
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it in twenty two. Got it wrong. I'll own it.
Buck had to own it when he said, hey, they'll
never kick Biden to the curb. I ended up getting
that one right. One or the other of us going
to be right. Sometimes. Most of the time, I think
one of the other of us is going to be wrong.
Sometimes rarely will we both be wrong. I think on
everything like Biden, was it his presidency, ted and Nebraska
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what you got for.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Us picking my call. I think your analysis of al
shot the Democrats were because of a neal fight winning
is all true November. Once they knew everything changed and
they I mean, it wasn't benign.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
They just hated him.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
He was an existential threat from immigration in the whole
nine yards they started with Sessions got him out of
the way so they could legally attack him flim. They
didn't want him in the Pentagon. With all of that,
it's not that they they tried to perpetrate this Russian hoax.
It's the fact they perpetrated the Russian hoax with the
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deep state. His own party was part of it, the
media was part of it, the deep state, the Democrats.
This is the biggest scandal in the history of the
United States, and everyone involved in this has to go down.
I don't agree with the other caller. I think everyone's
going to skate on this because of statute of limitations
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and everything else. But this is just over the top.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I appreciate the call it, I unfortunately think that it's
more likely they're going to skate than they're going to
be prosecuted. I do think this matter is in a
big way for the historical record, and I also think, look,
I went off a little bit yesterday. I also think
we have to accept that intelligence agencies are very often
intensely political, and I think one of the legacies of
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the Trump era is going to be establishing just how
political our government is.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
On a day to day basis. Everything is political, and
so this.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Idea, well, We're going to be completely balanced in intelligence
agencies or the Department of Justice or anywhere else. Sadly
that's not the case. I think Trump has brought it
back closer to balance, to evenness. But when you have
an entire agency that would vote eighty percent Democrat and
twenty percent Republican, it's impossible to have balance. And by
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the way, I think this is true of all the
universities too. In order to have balance, you basically have
to have half the people that believe one thing half
the people that believe the other thing. That is the
very essence of balance, and then you let those people
fight it out inside of your company or even better,
and this is what Google has finally started to do.
(30:45):
They just say, hey, work is not where politics should happen.
That's kind of where we were for most of the
eighties and the nineties and the early two thousands. I
think we had reached this sort of grudging status quo
and we weren't trying to influence politics on everything, and
then Trump got elected and broke everybody's brain. And I
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mentioned as we went to break, we had to call
her that was on talking about how her daughter reacted
to Hillary. I think it was LORII in South Carolina
that we had on there, and I said I would
mention Hillary. I think Hillary's brain was broken by the
loss in twenty sixteen, and I think she was like
Kurt Warner losing to Tom Brady before we realized how
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good of a talent Brady was. The analogy that I
made that explains how all of Russia collusion, in my mind,
came to happen. They had to come up with a
reason other than Trump's in eight talents why the result
happened as it did, and I think they delegitimized and
de emphasized the talents of Trump. I think Hillary secretly
was super ecstatic when she saw Kamala get swamped in
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twenty twenty four, because I think at that point in
time she even if she won't say it publicly, could
start to think, hey, maybe I didn't completely screw up everything.
Maybe Trump's just a really good politician. And I think
when he swamped Kamala and he knocked Biden out of
the race. I think she will never say it, but
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I think Hillary got some peace for the trauma that
she felt from losing that race. I think it spiraled
her out of control. I think she had to look
at external factors. Whenever something bad happens, the first thing
that most people do is look for other people that
are the cause of the bad thing happening.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
This is just life.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
If you just got divorced, it's very rare that the
first thought you have is, you know what, I completely
screwed that up. This is all on me. I should
have been way better. You may work through that eventually
and be like, boy, I wasn't a great husband. I
wasn't a great wife. If you're fighting with your kids,
it's very rare that you're like, hey, maybe I wasn't
as good of a parent. Maybe I've screwed some of
this relationship up. Self analysis is really hard, and even
(32:59):
tougher than that is recognizing that you may well have
caused most of the problems that externally surround you. Noways say,
I think the phrase energy vampire is real. But if
you're a person and you're like boy, everybody around me
is a jerk and everything is always screwed up, and
why you ever think maybe it's you? This is what
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I always say. Football coaches are great on this. There's
a phrase that I also like. I like energy vampire.
You're sucking all the energy out of other people. I
also love the phrase that coaches share with me. Sometimes
they say, you know, being a coach is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
College.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Same thing in the draft, but college in particular phrases
we recruit our problems. Do you ever think about how
powerful that phrase is? Most of life you create and
recruit the own problems that you will face, and once
you take ownership of that. And I don't think Hillary
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could take ownership of her loss. Oh it's Russia, Oh
it's they cheated. Until you can look at internally and say, boy,
I screwed that up.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
That's on me, my bad.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You can't get over whatever happened to you because there's
always an external excuse. There's always someone else to blame.
In all of life. I think Hillary lost in sixteen,
and I think she couldn't comprehend that she could have
lost to Trump. And I think when Trump kicked Kamala's
ass and knocked Joe Biden out of office, I think
Hillary was secretly smiling and loving all of it, because
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in her mind she maybe started to recognize, Hey, I
lost to a thoroughbred political talent in twenty sixteen. That stinks,
but it wasn't just that I failed. It's that Trump's
really good. And I bet if you talked to Kurt
Warner now, I bet he felt really bad about losing
that first Super Bowl to Tom Brady. I bet when
he saw Tom Brady win six more Super Bowls, he
was like, Dude, this guy's legit. I just lost to
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the goat. I didn't play well, we could have done better,
but there's no no harm in losing to somebody who's
excellent in all of life. And I think Hillary's come
to grips with that a little bit. Maybe not publicly,
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