July 25, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with Clay Travis solo-hosting while Buck Sexton celebrates his father’s birthday today. The hour dives deep into major political and legal developments, starting with President Donald Trump’s departure to Scotland and his remarks on the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling on presidential immunity. Clay emphasizes how this decision not only shields Trump but also extends to former presidents like Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush, reinforcing the broad scope of executive power.
A major segment centers on the Supreme Court’s presidential immunity ruling, with Trump asserting that Obama “owes him big” for the legal precedent that now protects all presidents from criminal prosecution for official acts. Clay explores the implications of this ruling, referencing Tulsi Gabbard’s revelations and the broader legal and political fallout. He also addresses the media’s reaction, including flashbacks to the Russia investigation and the media’s portrayal of Trump’s relationship with Vladimir Putin.
The show then transitions into a detailed discussion of the Jeffrey Epstein case, highlighting the Department of Justice’s inability to uncover new prosecutable evidence despite extensive investigations. Clay cites a New York Times report and notes the frustration of figures like Pam Bondi and Dan Bongino. He also reveals that over $500 million in civil settlements have been paid to Epstein’s victims, including payouts from Epstein’s estate, JPMorgan Chase, and Deutsche Bank. The segment underscores the lack of media coverage on these settlements and the victims’ desire for privacy.
Clay contrasts the Russiagate hoax with the Epstein fallout, polling listeners on which is the bigger story. The majority chose Russiagate, followed by economic concerns, with Epstein ranking third. He criticizes the media and political figures for overpromising revelations from the Epstein files and underdelivering, drawing parallels to past intelligence failures like the Iraq War.
The hour also touches on the booming U.S. economy, with record highs in the stock market and strong performance under Trump’s leadership. Clay argues that Democrats have shifted their strategy from attacking Trump on the economy, border, and crime—areas where he’s seen success—to reviving the Epstein narrative as a political weapon.
Listeners are invited to call in and weigh in on the topics, including a legal question about whether presidential immunity covers treasonous acts. Clay responds by explaining the legal standard and reiterating that bad decisions, like the Iraq War, don’t necessarily equate to criminal acts if made in perceived national interest.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I
hope all of you are ready for the weekend and
looking forward to hanging out with me as we roll
into the weekend with three fun hours. Buck in New
York City celebrating his dad's birthday. Happy birthday to Papa Sexton. Also,
(00:21):
I meant to say producer Ali's birthday was yesterday and
I forgot to mention it on the show. So birthdays
abound everywhere, and we hope you guys are ready to
have some fun with us. Trump has hopped onto Air
Force one and is now on his way to Scotland
to visit several of his properties over there, predominantly golf courses.
(00:45):
He addressed the media as he left the White House
and made a lot of news after yesterday's show. He
also toured the site of the FED construction that they
are spending a couple of billion dollars three billion dollars
actually on, and met with Jerome Powell face to face,
where he made the case that they needed to lower
(01:07):
the interest rates, which by the way, Trump is correct about.
We will dive into all of that, but we begin
with something that we told you early this week, and
I didn't hear very many other people out there saying it.
But when a lot of people were saying, Oh Obama's
going to be arrested, Oh He's going to be purp walked,
we got the twenty sixteen intelligence briefings that prove Obama
(01:30):
committed a crime. I told you, Look the Supreme Court
ruling that said Trump had the power as president to
act as he did in twenty twenty and could not
be charged criminally as a result those expansive presidential powers.
The Supreme Court held six to three in Trump's favor.
(01:52):
We told you that that ruling was likely to come.
It now has come. And guess what. It applies to
Bill Clinton. It applies to Barack Obama, It applies to
George W. Bush, It applies to Donald Trump, any living president,
any current president, any future president. And Trump was actually
asked about that, given the revelations from Tulci Gabbard. He said, Hey, look,
(02:16):
Obama owes me big because he's probably protected by the
same ruling. Let me play that cut. Trump just said
this a little bit ago.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Listen, how do you think that the Supreme Court ruling
that bennettited you on presidential immunity would apply to former
President Barack Obama and what you're accusing him of doing.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
It probably helps him a lot, probably helps him a
lot of the immunity ruling, but it doesn't help the
people around.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Him at all.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
But it probably helps them a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
He's done criminal acts, there's no question about it. But
he has immunity and.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
It probably helps them.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Alig he owes me a big. Obama owes me big.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Obama owes me big. That is Trump talking about the
situation there where Obama's now protected, likely by the larger
ruling that's the Supreme Court made on presidential privilege. And
we told you back when this ruling came down, you
may not like it at some point in the future.
(03:18):
It reminds me of Mitch McConnell when they changed the
filibuster rules for the Supreme Court, saying, hey, you may
not like the results, and it may happen sooner than
you think. There you go the benefit sometimes of precedent
set by the Supreme Court. You think, oh, this is great,
and then there's another situation that comes down the road
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and the president is applied evenly, whether Democrat or Republican
or frankly Independent or Whig or Tory or whatever future
parties may exist in the years, decades, hundreds of years
into the future. In the United States, the Supreme Court
ruling will apply to every president when it comes to
the president having the powers to exercise the prerogative of
(03:59):
the presidency without worrying about being charged with criminal related
incidents going forward. And so I would say in general,
this week, if you look at the entirety of the week,
has largely been characterized by revelations relating to the twenty
sixteen intelligence communities attempt to create the Russia Gate fervor
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and ongoing discussion surrounding the Epstein files and what has
been uncovered there. This morning, as part of my prep,
as I always do, I read the New York Times.
There is a huge, multi thousand word piece in the
New York Times that goes into the review of all
of the Epstein files by the Department of Justice under
(04:45):
Trump and the fact that frankly, they haven't been able
to find anything, and about how frustrated that made Pambondi
and Dan Bongino and Cash Patel, who desperately wanted to
find people that they could charge based on the information
that was inside of those files, and according to that
New York Times report, there just isn't anything there. Doesn't
(05:08):
mean that there might not have been in the past.
Ninety percent of people out there believe that these files
should be released.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Their challenges because some of these people are victims. But
I suspect that they're going to try to release everything
that they can, and there's just not going to be
much there. Julane Maxwell interviewed yesterday by the Deputy ag
to see if she knew anything else. One thing that
I think I have not done a good job talking
with you guys about from the Epstein perspective is, remember
(05:38):
that there were hundreds of millions of dollars paid out
to the alleged Epstein victims by his estate, by all
these other different large investment banks that also had interactions
and dealings with Jeffrey Epstein. In other words, people say, well,
(05:59):
what happened to all the victims, Well, a lot of
those victims came forward, raised their hand, remained anonymous, but said, hey,
we are a part of this class action lawsuit alleging
that we were mistreated by Jeffrey Epstein and Julaane Maxwell
and many of those women they got paid hundreds of
millions of dollars by Epstein's estate. It doesn't get talked
(06:21):
about very much, but there were hundreds of millions of
dollars paid out to those victims of Epstein and Julaane Maxwell.
And I do think that that has kind of slid
under the radar and it hasn't gotten that much attention.
But people said, well, what happened to all these victims.
A lot of them came forward and said, hey, this
was what was done to me, And we are filing
(06:43):
a class action lawsuit civilly seeking damages from Jeffrey Epstein's
estate in the wake of his death and the estate
team in New York. Maybe you can look out and
see if there's a full dollar value, but I know
they paid out hundreds of millions of dollars in claims
against individuals who purport that they were mistreated. So again,
(07:06):
two different scandals to me, and I asked this question.
I asked you guys earlier this week, Hey, which do
you think is the bigger story, Epstein or the Epstein
fallout or Russia Gate? And overwhelmingly you guys said Russia Gate.
And also I gave a third option in that poll,
(07:28):
and the third option was I don't care about any
of this, just get my costs down. In other words,
I'm just focused on the economy, and it actually outrated
the Epstein drama as well. In other words, the majority
of you said Russia Gate's a really, really big story.
That was the winner of the poll. Second place was
I don't care about any of this, just get my
(07:50):
costs down, and then third was Epstein. But I would
say we basically have dueling controversies, for lack of a
better way to describe it, with the Russia Gate, which
I believe is actually a huge story, the Russia Gate hoax,
and then also the fallout of Epstein, all taking place simultaneously,
(08:11):
and of course Democrats are saying, well, this is just
Trump's desire to distract from the Epstein related cases. But
I actually don't think that's true. I think that what
happened with Russia has been an obsession of Trump's for
a long time, And in particular, I wanted to play
some of this because these are flashbacks, and I know
(08:32):
some of you remember it, but remember what happened the
first time Trump met with Putin and what the reaction
was as the media had bought into the idea that
Trump was a Manchurian candidate. I want to play a
couple of these cuts. Here's cut seven, Chris Cuomo back
when he was still on CNN screaming about President Trump
(08:54):
and the Russia hoax to his audience. This was in
twenty eighteen. Some of you will remember it. This is
what Trump one point zero was dealing with all lies.
Cut seven.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
The world witnessed to betrayal the likes of which we've
never seen. America's president sided with its enemy. Today, shack
has turned to a national shunning as America finds unity
in President Trump's perfidy. It was the simplest of all
questions regarding Russia's attacks on our democracy.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Did it happen?
Speaker 7 (09:25):
So?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I have great confidence in my intelligence people, But I
will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and
powerful in his denial.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Today, that was the president of the United States answer,
a kick in the groin to his counterintelligence men and women,
to his country, and most to the truth. With the
world watching, the leader of the free world sided with
the man who directly ordered a sophisticated attack on America's
electoral system. End of discussion. That's what happened. Russia did
(10:01):
it all.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That's false. And remember CNN cut away from Tulci Gabbard
when she was laying out the fact that the intelligence
agencies manufactured this great Russia hoax as a way to
delegitimize the Trump presidency. They're still not allowing their audience
to understand what actually happened. Again, this is another flashback.
(10:25):
I think it's important to remember the unbelievable historyonics that
were at play here.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Cut eight.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said it was.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
The most tragic day in the history of the presidency
when Trump said, Hey, I'm not really convinced that Russia
was rigging our election.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Cut eight.
Speaker 9 (10:48):
This is probably the most tragic day in the history
of the presidency.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
So what do we do now?
Speaker 6 (10:55):
I mean, what is the rule book for when a
president betrays his own cory and sides with an enemy.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
So I think it's up to the American people to
make clear that we will not tolerate a president who
does not defend the United States of America. Probably the
worst cyber attack against the United States to undermine our
election system. These are bad people.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
They're bad guys.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
They're the enemy, they're the adversary.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Okay, the most tragic day in the history of the presidency,
Leanne Panetta, remember a thing called Ford's Theater. John Wilkes
Booth shooting Abraham Lincoln in the back of the head
feels like a pretty tragic day for the presidency.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Fdr dies in office in.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
The middle of World War Two, near the end of
World War two, feels like a pretty tragic day in
the history of the presidency. There it's how about when
the how about when the British burned down the White House?
Feels like kind of a tragic day in the history
of the presidency. The degree of line that was built
(11:58):
around this Russian disc information campaign, Russia could have never
dreamed of having America's own institutions turn on America to
the degree that it did to try to tear down
Donald Trump. And so I don't blame Trump, who spent
four years basically screaming into the wind, there's nothing to this.
(12:21):
I won, and they just can't figure out how Hillary lost.
And now, to her credit, Tulca Gabbert lays out in
a calculated fashion exactly what went on inside of the
intelligence agencies and demonstrates that this Russia hoax happened. Now
a lot of you out there are throwing up your
hands and saying, what's going to happen? That's the challenge.
(12:45):
And I think to his credit, Trump even acknowledged basically
nothing can happen to Obama. I think it's almost impossible
to charge him with anything. And I think it's also
very hard to charge others because the time has passed
to such an extent.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Now. I do think.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Leaks of these intelligence documents that the Washington Post in
the New York Times, among other among others used as
their method to win Pulitzer prizes, and see this idea
that this untruth was in fact a truth, I do
think there should be consequences there, and at an absolute minimum,
(13:21):
I think this is very significant because it's correcting the
historic record and making people slowly aware of exactly what
went on. I will take your calls. You guys can
react to all of this. We've got a ton as
we roll through the program. No guest scheduled right now
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and two A two two eight A two. We can
(13:42):
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Speaker 1 (15:30):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
We took a lot of calls and I thought you
guys did a great job asking questions. I do think
the Russia Gate and the Epstein case. Again, we didn't
schedule any guests today. Buck is out until Monday. If
you guys want to weigh in, you want to ask
questions that you think are important on either of those issues,
we can dive into them. I'll do my best to
explain where we're headed. I give Trump tremendous credit as
(15:56):
he got ready to get on the plane to fly
to Scotland for basically say hey, Obama, owes me big
but understanding the implications of the Supreme Court presidential ruling.
And it is very funny because so many people out
there in left wing media said, this is what happens
when you have a dictator, this is how democracies die,
(16:16):
this is what fascism looks like. When the Supreme Court
came out and said, hey, you can't charge the president
with crimes for actions that are directly related to, in
their opinion, the presidential office, and we told this program,
we said, hey, this is going to apply for everybody.
And now if Obama were charged with a crime, the
same people who said this is how democracy dies, this
(16:38):
is what fascism looks like, would have to cover Obama
as his primary defense in any twenty sixteen charges, saying hey,
I did this within the province of my presidency, and
therefore I cannot be prosecuted criminally for what I did.
All of the people that told you that the Supreme
Court had just laid down like a dog and let
(17:00):
Trump scratched their belly, all of them would have to
suddenly say, well, actually, you know, Obama is using the
Trump precedent to keep himself from serious criminal charges potentially,
and that is what we told you on this program
would happen and how it would be applied. And I
really do give Trump credit because he could have said, Hey,
we're going to put Obama in handcuffs, and he could
(17:21):
have continued to build that idea up. And frankly, there's
lots of people out there in the media who will
tell you that, and we told you on the program, Hey,
that's not going to happen because.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Of the legality.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So if you've got questions on Epstein, if you've got
questions on Russiagate, I know these are complicated cases. You
can weigh in, you can give us a talk back,
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as we roll into the Friday edition of the program.
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(17:53):
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Speaker 5 (19:03):
Appreciate all of.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You hanging out with us as we are rolling through
the Friday edition of the program. And I do think,
as I'm reading and getting ready for the show today,
and I've looked at all the coverage going on this week,
I definitely think that Democrats have pivoted and I don't
(19:26):
know if you guys have noticed this, But Democrats have
now pivoted from Hey, the big beautiful Bill gave too
much money to billionaires and you can't trust Trump on
the economy. As I am speaking to you right now
about twelve thirty on the East Coast, the stock market
is setting another record high today and so early on.
(19:51):
Remember back in April when they said, oh, Liberation Day,
the tariffs, they're going to be a disaster. The economy
is actually roaring. We are setting record highs almost on
a daily basis in the Dow Jones and in the
S and P five hundred. If you listen to us
back in April when all the panic happens surrounding the tariffs,
(20:16):
and you just held on to your stocks, this is
pretty crazy. Stocks are up nearly thirty percent since April.
If you had money sitting on the side and you
bought more, then you are sitting at the most money
that you've ever had in your four to h one k.
Inflation has not gone up. There has not actually been
(20:41):
any kind of market increase. There hasn't been a rise
in what you're having to pay for goods outside of
normal inflation. And this is important because you'll hear a
lot of people say, well, prices are still going up. Yeah, sadly,
inflation is a reality, and we want to manage it
as best we can. If we can keep it around
(21:02):
two percent a year, that is a manageable aspect of inflation.
So prices by and large never go back. That is deflation,
which almost never occurs and actually represents an incredible danger
to the country. But we've got so much money coming
(21:23):
in on the economy that they have basically stopped completely
talking about the economy. And now Democrats, believe it or not,
are using Epstein to try to attack Trump. And I
just want to point out how incredibly dishonest that is
because Democrats had all the Epstein files for the last
(21:45):
four years and they did nothing with them. And now
they have decided that they're going to because they can't
attack him on the economy, because they can attack him
on the border, because they can't attack him on crime.
Remember Trump ran on the economy, border crime, and he
is delivered through the first six months on those levels,
the likes of which we haven't seen in a very
(22:05):
long time. And if you were listening yesterday and we
had Bill O'Reilly on it. He said he talked to
President Trump yesterday. He felt like President Trump was frustrated
because he's delivering on all of his promises. And now
Democrats have decided they're going to attack him on Epstein.
And they couldn't attack him on tariffs, they couldn't attack
(22:29):
him on the economy, they can't attack him on border
on crime. So now they're going back to the Epstein
playbook and it feels so incredibly calculated.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
And so I want to point this out. We have
audio here.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
This is Trump saying, Hey, we may give people out
there taxpayers a rebate because we're making so much money
from tariffs. This has cut six as Trump prepared to
leave for Scotland.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And ten facillions of dollars.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Do you think there's the possibility.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Of a rebate the American public in terms of all
of that money, we're thinking about that.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Actually, we have so much money coming in.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
We're thinking about a little rebate.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
But the big thing we want to do is pay
down debt.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
But we're thinking about a rebate. That's a very good Choy.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Just made a lot of news. We're thinking about a
rebate because we have so much.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Money coming in from tariff that tariff that's a little
rebate for people of a certain income.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Level might be very nice.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Again, Trump looking out for everybody. The economy is firing
on all cylinders. The trade deals are all coming together,
and so don't make a mistake about what they're trying
to do. Democrats are actually trying to focus on the
Epstein situation. And by the way, I had the team
pull the data producer Ali pulled it. They paid out
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one hundred and twenty one million dollars to between one
hundred and thirty five and one hundred and fifty people
who alleged that they had been sexually abused by Epstein.
Average payout per victim around eight hundred thousand dollars, though
individual amounts could vary. On top of that, JP Morgan
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Chase settled a class action lawsuit for two hundred and
ninety million, and Deutsche Bank settled one for seventy five million,
with potential payouts up to five million dollars per victim.
In those cases as well, these were often overlapping victims,
and again the exact terms that have been settled have
(24:34):
not been discussed. You know, the individuals have not been named.
But I do think this is a big part of
the Epstein story because people say, Okay, well what happened
to all the victims? If you believe you were a
victim of Jeffrey Epstein, you had an opportunity to come forward.
He's dead, so he can't go to prison. Julaane Maxwell
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is already in prison for twenty years. Hundreds of millions
of dollars have been paid out to the individuals who
raised their hands and said I'm a victim. So I
understand a lot of people out there who were saying, well,
what about all the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. I don't
think the media has covered them as much because most
of them have wanted to stay private. They have not
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wanted their names to be broadcast widely. But I bet
a lot of you are surprised to hear that what
is that one hundred and twenty one million, two hundred
and ninety million, seventy five million. We're talking about over
four hundred million dollars in Jeffrey Epstein related dollars being
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paid out to the victims nearly five hundred million dollars.
Those are staggering sums of money, and again, they have
not gotten a lot of attention in the media because
most of the victims of Epstein have not been waving
their arms saying I want my name out in the public.
Those people, to a large extent, want to go on
(25:59):
with their law. But again, according to these reports, between
one hundred and thirty five and one hundred and fifty
people out there who said I was a victim of Epstein.
Why is that significant? Well, it does suggest that the
court system has actually tried to, in some way, both
criminally and civilly, deal with this situation. And I think
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the frustration comes because this is what I didn't want
to happen with the Russia Gate situation. I don't want
people out there to be thinking, Oh, Obama's going to
get arrested, Oh Obama's going to get arrested. I'm trying
to be honest with you guys, And I give credit
to Trump for saying it on the tarmac as he
was going on his way to Scotland. Hey, be honest
(26:45):
with people. Don't overpromise and underdeliver. So one of the
number one ways that you can lose your job in
a hurry. It doesn't matter what you do if you
overpromise and you underdeliver. I think on the Epstein case,
there are a lot of people in media and there
are a lot of people in politics who came and
(27:08):
built a large audience by saying, hey, there's a huge
cover up going on, and then they built certainly Pambondi did,
she was a mess on this issue. You don't give
out the papers that say Epstein Files Phase one, which
is what they did a few months ago, to a
lot of influencers, and not set the expectation that there
(27:32):
is a phase two. And so I think they overpromised
and now they're under delivering based on what the data
actually shows inside of the one hundred thousand documents. According
to what I was reading this morning, that is makes
up the Epstein files. Doesn't mean that you want people
to get away with crimes. Again, the civil cases, everybody
(27:54):
who said they were a victim of Epstein, everybody who
waved their arms and said, hey, I want to be
either compensated or I want this guy going to jail criminally.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Right, there's two different tracks.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
They made almost five hundred million dollars in payments to
those people, and so if there were others who could
be charged, I think they would be charged. I think
they are struggling to find any evidence of that.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I told you guys to me, I would just release
all the files and just say to hell with it,
because I think that's the easiest thing that Trump administration
could do, just like they did with the MLK files,
RFK files JFK and what do we say. There's unlikely
to be major revelations in those files because if there
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had been stuff in there that said, hey, you know
who actually killed JFK? Do you think they would have
been sitting in files inside of the FBI CIA relating
to the JFK assassination for decades and nobody leaked them,
nobody got them out there. If there are the proverbial
smoking gun evidence, I think it's likely been gone for
(29:08):
a very very long time. And I think the best
thing you could do if you're the Trump team now,
as I said, is just put that all out. I
know they tried, to their credit, tried to get through
the grand jury transcript transcripts were released. They wouldn't do it.
They went and met with Jelay Maxwell. We'll see what
she wants to say. She may testify under oath, but again,
(29:29):
five hundred million dollars in payments five hundred million dollars
in payments to everybody who says they were a victim
of Jeffrey Epstein and came forward in civil penalties. Almost
no discussion by and large about that. That would suggest
that they told their stories and that there is not
anybody else to charge. Now, I understand it's frustrating when
(29:53):
you're told something and then when you're over promised and
under delivered. I actually think that's the primary story here,
and I don't want you to miss that. This is
now the way that Democrats are attacking Trump. They're not
going after him on the economy by and large because
it's good getting better. They're not going after him on
the border because he shut it down and deportations are
(30:14):
popular with people who voted for him. They're not going
down going after him on crime because crime numbers are collapsing.
I don't know how many of y'all realize this, because
it hasn't gotten that much attention, because good news tends
to not get as much attention when the media buying
large hates Trump. We may, and I stress may, because
it's the summer and it is when overall murders tend
(30:37):
to grow, right, summers is when, if you go look
at the data, the summer season is when the majority
of murders are going to happen. On a calendar basis.
They happen far more often in the summer. Kids are
out of school, there's way more people out and about
whether it's good you're not huddled up trying to avoid
(31:00):
freezing as you are in many parts of the country
during the winter. Summer is when violence peaks. If we
can keep that peak down, we may set a record
in the twenty first century for the fewest murders in
this country. That's the pace that we're on right now. Economy,
border crime, it's pretty incredible. All right, you guys can
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We are
loaded up with calls. Let me start unting through some
of them. But Eric from Milwaukee has a big question.
News Talk eleven thirty win. We love y'all up there.
What is Eric's question?
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Cc Hey, Clay love the show. Want to challenge your
legal mind for a second. Does that immunity also include
treasonous acts where the person making those decisions is acting
against the best interests of the United States at the time.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
It's a great question and understanding exactly where presidential powers extend.
Here is the defense that Obama would have as Trump
was laying out and pointing it out, he would argue
that he believed he was acting in the best interests
of the country, and so you would have to prove
(34:53):
that in a situation like that, he knowingly was acting
against the best interests of the country, and that he
knew the information he was citing and relying on was
untrue as a part of that process. I just I
think that's almost an impossible standard to reach, which is
why I think Trump is right. And by the way,
(35:14):
I think that's the right result. You shouldn't have I
mentioned yesterday, take it out of the politics of today.
I think personally, the decision to go to war in
Iraq over WMDs was the worst presidential decision of the
twenty first century. Now, some of you out there can
argue with me about that. I think Dick Cheney and
(35:35):
George W. Bush got that one billion percent wrong. I
think if you could go back in time and we
never went into Iraq and we never spent the trillions
of dollars and we never lost the thousands of lives,
that would be the right choice, particularly because Bush was manipulated,
I believe, by his intelligence agencies to believe that there
(35:56):
were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which was not true. Okay,
I'm going to take a bunch of your calls when
we come back, So if you're online, by the way,
stick there. Because I appreciate everybody weighing in, and we
didn't have any guests Friday. We wanted to have open lines.
Let you guys weigh in. But I don't think President,
I don't think President George W. Bush should be charged
(36:17):
with crimes based on the decisions he made surrounding Iraq.
They were awful, they were wrong, but he was acting
in what he believed was the best interest of the country.
Sometimes presidents are just wrong, just like I'm sometimes wrong,
just like you guys are sometimes wrong, and oftentimes it
seems to me when they are wrong, it's partly based
(36:40):
on intelligence agencies getting everything wrong and telling them information
that ends up not being correct, which is what I
think led to the disastrous war in Iraq, what I
believe is the worst decision made by any president in
the twenty first century. We'll be back more. Your call's next.
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I
hope all of you are ready for the weekend and
looking forward to hanging out with me as we roll
into the weekend with three fun hours. Buck in New
York City celebrating his dad's birthday. Happy birthday to Papa Sexton. Also,
(00:21):
I meant to say producer Ali's birthday was yesterday and
I forgot to mention it on the show. So birthdays
abound everywhere, and we hope you guys are ready to
have some fun with us. Trump has hopped onto Air
Force one and is now on his way to Scotland
to visit several of his properties over there, predominantly golf courses.
(00:45):
He addressed the media as he left the White House
and made a lot of news after yesterday's show. He
also toured the site of the FED construction that they
are spending a couple of billion dollars three billion dollars
actually on, and met with Jerome Powell face to face,
where he made the case that they needed to lower
(01:07):
the interest rates, which by the way, Trump is correct about.
We will dive into all of that, but we begin
with something that we told you early this week, and
I didn't hear very many other people out there saying it.
But when a lot of people were saying, Oh Obama's
going to be arrested, Oh He's going to be purp walked,
we got the twenty sixteen intelligence briefings that prove Obama
(01:30):
committed a crime. I told you, Look the Supreme Court
ruling that said Trump had the power as president to
act as he did in twenty twenty and could not
be charged criminally as a result those expansive presidential powers.
The Supreme Court held six to three in Trump's favor.
(01:52):
We told you that that ruling was likely to come.
It now has come. And guess what. It applies to
Bill Clinton. It applies to Barack Obama, It applies to
George W. Bush, It applies to Donald Trump, any living president,
any current president, any future president. And Trump was actually
asked about that, given the revelations from Tulci Gabbard. He said, Hey, look,
(02:16):
Obama owes me big because he's probably protected by the
same ruling. Let me play that cut. Trump just said
this a little bit ago.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Listen, how do you think that the Supreme Court ruling
that bennettited you on presidential immunity would apply to former
President Barack Obama and what you're accusing him of doing.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
It probably helps him a lot, probably helps him a
lot of the immunity ruling, but it doesn't help the
people around.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Him at all.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
But it probably helps them a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
He's done criminal acts, there's no question about it. But
he has immunity and.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
It probably helps them.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Alig he owes me a big. Obama owes me big.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Obama owes me big. That is Trump talking about the
situation there where Obama's now protected, likely by the larger
ruling that's the Supreme Court made on presidential privilege. And
we told you back when this ruling came down, you
may not like it at some point in the future.
(03:18):
It reminds me of Mitch McConnell when they changed the
filibuster rules for the Supreme Court, saying, hey, you may
not like the results, and it may happen sooner than
you think. There you go the benefit sometimes of precedent
set by the Supreme Court. You think, oh, this is great,
and then there's another situation that comes down the road
(03:38):
and the president is applied evenly, whether Democrat or Republican
or frankly Independent or Whig or Tory or whatever future
parties may exist in the years, decades, hundreds of years
into the future. In the United States, the Supreme Court
ruling will apply to every president when it comes to
the president having the powers to exercise the prerogative of
(03:59):
the presidency without worrying about being charged with criminal related
incidents going forward. And so I would say in general,
this week, if you look at the entirety of the week,
has largely been characterized by revelations relating to the twenty
sixteen intelligence communities attempt to create the Russia Gate fervor
(04:23):
and ongoing discussion surrounding the Epstein files and what has
been uncovered there. This morning, as part of my prep,
as I always do, I read the New York Times.
There is a huge, multi thousand word piece in the
New York Times that goes into the review of all
of the Epstein files by the Department of Justice under
(04:45):
Trump and the fact that frankly, they haven't been able
to find anything, and about how frustrated that made Pambondi
and Dan Bongino and Cash Patel, who desperately wanted to
find people that they could charge based on the information
that was inside of those files, and according to that
New York Times report, there just isn't anything there. Doesn't
(05:08):
mean that there might not have been in the past.
Ninety percent of people out there believe that these files
should be released.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Their challenges because some of these people are victims. But
I suspect that they're going to try to release everything
that they can, and there's just not going to be
much there. Julane Maxwell interviewed yesterday by the Deputy ag
to see if she knew anything else. One thing that
I think I have not done a good job talking
with you guys about from the Epstein perspective is, remember
(05:38):
that there were hundreds of millions of dollars paid out
to the alleged Epstein victims by his estate, by all
these other different large investment banks that also had interactions
and dealings with Jeffrey Epstein. In other words, people say, well,
(05:59):
what happened to all the victims, Well, a lot of
those victims came forward, raised their hand, remained anonymous, but said, hey,
we are a part of this class action lawsuit alleging
that we were mistreated by Jeffrey Epstein and Julaane Maxwell
and many of those women they got paid hundreds of
millions of dollars by Epstein's estate. It doesn't get talked
(06:21):
about very much, but there were hundreds of millions of
dollars paid out to those victims of Epstein and Julaane Maxwell.
And I do think that that has kind of slid
under the radar and it hasn't gotten that much attention.
But people said, well, what happened to all these victims.
A lot of them came forward and said, hey, this
was what was done to me, And we are filing
(06:43):
a class action lawsuit civilly seeking damages from Jeffrey Epstein's
estate in the wake of his death and the estate
team in New York. Maybe you can look out and
see if there's a full dollar value, but I know
they paid out hundreds of millions of dollars in claims
against individuals who purport that they were mistreated. So again,
(07:06):
two different scandals to me, and I asked this question.
I asked you guys earlier this week, Hey, which do
you think is the bigger story, Epstein or the Epstein
fallout or Russia Gate? And overwhelmingly you guys said Russia Gate.
And also I gave a third option in that poll,
(07:28):
and the third option was I don't care about any
of this, just get my costs down. In other words,
I'm just focused on the economy, and it actually outrated
the Epstein drama as well. In other words, the majority
of you said Russia Gate's a really, really big story.
That was the winner of the poll. Second place was
I don't care about any of this, just get my
(07:50):
costs down, and then third was Epstein. But I would
say we basically have dueling controversies, for lack of a
better way to describe it, with the Russia Gate, which
I believe is actually a huge story, the Russia Gate hoax,
and then also the fallout of Epstein, all taking place simultaneously,
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and of course Democrats are saying, well, this is just
Trump's desire to distract from the Epstein related cases. But
I actually don't think that's true. I think that what
happened with Russia has been an obsession of Trump's for
a long time, And in particular, I wanted to play
some of this because these are flashbacks, and I know
(08:32):
some of you remember it, but remember what happened the
first time Trump met with Putin and what the reaction
was as the media had bought into the idea that
Trump was a Manchurian candidate. I want to play a
couple of these cuts. Here's cut seven, Chris Cuomo back
when he was still on CNN screaming about President Trump
(08:54):
and the Russia hoax to his audience. This was in
twenty eighteen. Some of you will remember it. This is
what Trump one point zero was dealing with all lies.
Cut seven.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
The world witnessed to betrayal the likes of which we've
never seen. America's president sided with its enemy. Today, shack
has turned to a national shunning as America finds unity
in President Trump's perfidy. It was the simplest of all
questions regarding Russia's attacks on our democracy.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Did it happen?
Speaker 7 (09:25):
So?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I have great confidence in my intelligence people, But I
will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and
powerful in his denial.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Today, that was the president of the United States answer,
a kick in the groin to his counterintelligence men and women,
to his country, and most to the truth. With the
world watching, the leader of the free world sided with
the man who directly ordered a sophisticated attack on America's
electoral system. End of discussion. That's what happened. Russia did
(10:01):
it all.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That's false. And remember CNN cut away from Tulci Gabbard
when she was laying out the fact that the intelligence
agencies manufactured this great Russia hoax as a way to
delegitimize the Trump presidency. They're still not allowing their audience
to understand what actually happened. Again, this is another flashback.
(10:25):
I think it's important to remember the unbelievable historyonics that
were at play here.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Cut eight.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said it was.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
The most tragic day in the history of the presidency
when Trump said, Hey, I'm not really convinced that Russia
was rigging our election.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Cut eight.
Speaker 9 (10:48):
This is probably the most tragic day in the history
of the presidency.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
So what do we do now?
Speaker 6 (10:55):
I mean, what is the rule book for when a
president betrays his own cory and sides with an enemy.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
So I think it's up to the American people to
make clear that we will not tolerate a president who
does not defend the United States of America. Probably the
worst cyber attack against the United States to undermine our
election system. These are bad people.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
They're bad guys.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
They're the enemy, they're the adversary.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Okay, the most tragic day in the history of the presidency,
Leanne Panetta, remember a thing called Ford's Theater. John Wilkes
Booth shooting Abraham Lincoln in the back of the head
feels like a pretty tragic day for the presidency.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Fdr dies in office in.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
The middle of World War Two, near the end of
World War two, feels like a pretty tragic day in
the history of the presidency. There it's how about when
the how about when the British burned down the White House?
Feels like kind of a tragic day in the history
of the presidency. The degree of line that was built
(11:58):
around this Russian disc information campaign, Russia could have never
dreamed of having America's own institutions turn on America to
the degree that it did to try to tear down
Donald Trump. And so I don't blame Trump, who spent
four years basically screaming into the wind, there's nothing to this.
(12:21):
I won, and they just can't figure out how Hillary lost.
And now, to her credit, Tulca Gabbert lays out in
a calculated fashion exactly what went on inside of the
intelligence agencies and demonstrates that this Russia hoax happened. Now
a lot of you out there are throwing up your
hands and saying, what's going to happen? That's the challenge.
(12:45):
And I think to his credit, Trump even acknowledged basically
nothing can happen to Obama. I think it's almost impossible
to charge him with anything. And I think it's also
very hard to charge others because the time has passed
to such an extent.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Now. I do think.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Leaks of these intelligence documents that the Washington Post in
the New York Times, among other among others used as
their method to win Pulitzer prizes, and see this idea
that this untruth was in fact a truth, I do
think there should be consequences there, and at an absolute minimum,
(13:21):
I think this is very significant because it's correcting the
historic record and making people slowly aware of exactly what
went on. I will take your calls. You guys can
react to all of this. We've got a ton as
we roll through the program. No guest scheduled right now
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Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
We took a lot of calls and I thought you
guys did a great job asking questions. I do think
the Russia Gate and the Epstein case. Again, we didn't
schedule any guests today. Buck is out until Monday. If
you guys want to weigh in, you want to ask
questions that you think are important on either of those issues,
we can dive into them. I'll do my best to
explain where we're headed. I give Trump tremendous credit as
(15:56):
he got ready to get on the plane to fly
to Scotland for basically say hey, Obama, owes me big
but understanding the implications of the Supreme Court presidential ruling.
And it is very funny because so many people out
there in left wing media said, this is what happens
when you have a dictator, this is how democracies die,
(16:16):
this is what fascism looks like. When the Supreme Court
came out and said, hey, you can't charge the president
with crimes for actions that are directly related to, in
their opinion, the presidential office, and we told this program,
we said, hey, this is going to apply for everybody.
And now if Obama were charged with a crime, the
same people who said this is how democracy dies, this
(16:38):
is what fascism looks like, would have to cover Obama
as his primary defense in any twenty sixteen charges, saying hey,
I did this within the province of my presidency, and
therefore I cannot be prosecuted criminally for what I did.
All of the people that told you that the Supreme
Court had just laid down like a dog and let
(17:00):
Trump scratched their belly, all of them would have to
suddenly say, well, actually, you know, Obama is using the
Trump precedent to keep himself from serious criminal charges potentially,
and that is what we told you on this program
would happen and how it would be applied. And I
really do give Trump credit because he could have said, Hey,
we're going to put Obama in handcuffs, and he could
(17:21):
have continued to build that idea up. And frankly, there's
lots of people out there in the media who will
tell you that, and we told you on the program, Hey,
that's not going to happen because.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Of the legality.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So if you've got questions on Epstein, if you've got
questions on Russiagate, I know these are complicated cases. You
can weigh in, you can give us a talk back,
you can hop on the phone lines eight hundred and
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as we roll into the Friday edition of the program.
Also got a thought on, unfortunately the death of Malcolm
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Appreciate all of.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You hanging out with us as we are rolling through
the Friday edition of the program. And I do think,
as I'm reading and getting ready for the show today,
and I've looked at all the coverage going on this week,
I definitely think that Democrats have pivoted and I don't
(19:26):
know if you guys have noticed this, But Democrats have
now pivoted from Hey, the big beautiful Bill gave too
much money to billionaires and you can't trust Trump on
the economy. As I am speaking to you right now
about twelve thirty on the East Coast, the stock market
is setting another record high today and so early on.
(19:51):
Remember back in April when they said, oh, Liberation Day,
the tariffs, they're going to be a disaster. The economy
is actually roaring. We are setting record highs almost on
a daily basis in the Dow Jones and in the
S and P five hundred. If you listen to us
back in April when all the panic happens surrounding the tariffs,
(20:16):
and you just held on to your stocks, this is
pretty crazy. Stocks are up nearly thirty percent since April.
If you had money sitting on the side and you
bought more, then you are sitting at the most money
that you've ever had in your four to h one k.
Inflation has not gone up. There has not actually been
(20:41):
any kind of market increase. There hasn't been a rise
in what you're having to pay for goods outside of
normal inflation. And this is important because you'll hear a
lot of people say, well, prices are still going up. Yeah, sadly,
inflation is a reality, and we want to manage it
as best we can. If we can keep it around
(21:02):
two percent a year, that is a manageable aspect of inflation.
So prices by and large never go back. That is deflation,
which almost never occurs and actually represents an incredible danger
to the country. But we've got so much money coming
(21:23):
in on the economy that they have basically stopped completely
talking about the economy. And now Democrats, believe it or not,
are using Epstein to try to attack Trump. And I
just want to point out how incredibly dishonest that is
because Democrats had all the Epstein files for the last
(21:45):
four years and they did nothing with them. And now
they have decided that they're going to because they can't
attack him on the economy, because they can attack him
on the border, because they can't attack him on crime.
Remember Trump ran on the economy, border crime, and he
is delivered through the first six months on those levels,
the likes of which we haven't seen in a very
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long time. And if you were listening yesterday and we
had Bill O'Reilly on it. He said he talked to
President Trump yesterday. He felt like President Trump was frustrated
because he's delivering on all of his promises. And now
Democrats have decided they're going to attack him on Epstein.
And they couldn't attack him on tariffs, they couldn't attack
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him on the economy, they can't attack him on border
on crime. So now they're going back to the Epstein
playbook and it feels so incredibly calculated.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
And so I want to point this out. We have
audio here.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
This is Trump saying, Hey, we may give people out
there taxpayers a rebate because we're making so much money
from tariffs. This has cut six as Trump prepared to
leave for Scotland.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And ten facillions of dollars.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Do you think there's the possibility.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Of a rebate the American public in terms of all
of that money, we're thinking about that.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Actually, we have so much money coming in.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
We're thinking about a little rebate.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
But the big thing we want to do is pay
down debt.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
But we're thinking about a rebate. That's a very good Choy.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Just made a lot of news. We're thinking about a
rebate because we have so much.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Money coming in from tariff that tariff that's a little
rebate for people of a certain income.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Level might be very nice.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Again, Trump looking out for everybody. The economy is firing
on all cylinders. The trade deals are all coming together,
and so don't make a mistake about what they're trying
to do. Democrats are actually trying to focus on the
Epstein situation. And by the way, I had the team
pull the data producer Ali pulled it. They paid out
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one hundred and twenty one million dollars to between one
hundred and thirty five and one hundred and fifty people
who alleged that they had been sexually abused by Epstein.
Average payout per victim around eight hundred thousand dollars, though
individual amounts could vary. On top of that, JP Morgan
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Chase settled a class action lawsuit for two hundred and
ninety million, and Deutsche Bank settled one for seventy five million,
with potential payouts up to five million dollars per victim.
In those cases as well, these were often overlapping victims,
and again the exact terms that have been settled have
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not been discussed. You know, the individuals have not been named.
But I do think this is a big part of
the Epstein story because people say, Okay, well what happened
to all the victims? If you believe you were a
victim of Jeffrey Epstein, you had an opportunity to come forward.
He's dead, so he can't go to prison. Julaane Maxwell
(24:54):
is already in prison for twenty years. Hundreds of millions
of dollars have been paid out to the individuals who
raised their hands and said I'm a victim. So I
understand a lot of people out there who were saying, well,
what about all the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. I don't
think the media has covered them as much because most
of them have wanted to stay private. They have not
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wanted their names to be broadcast widely. But I bet
a lot of you are surprised to hear that what
is that one hundred and twenty one million, two hundred
and ninety million, seventy five million. We're talking about over
four hundred million dollars in Jeffrey Epstein related dollars being
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paid out to the victims nearly five hundred million dollars.
Those are staggering sums of money, and again, they have
not gotten a lot of attention in the media because
most of the victims of Epstein have not been waving
their arms saying I want my name out in the public.
Those people, to a large extent, want to go on
(25:59):
with their law. But again, according to these reports, between
one hundred and thirty five and one hundred and fifty
people out there who said I was a victim of Epstein.
Why is that significant? Well, it does suggest that the
court system has actually tried to, in some way, both
criminally and civilly, deal with this situation. And I think
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the frustration comes because this is what I didn't want
to happen with the Russia Gate situation. I don't want
people out there to be thinking, Oh, Obama's going to
get arrested, Oh Obama's going to get arrested. I'm trying
to be honest with you guys, And I give credit
to Trump for saying it on the tarmac as he
was going on his way to Scotland. Hey, be honest
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with people. Don't overpromise and underdeliver. So one of the
number one ways that you can lose your job in
a hurry. It doesn't matter what you do if you
overpromise and you underdeliver. I think on the Epstein case,
there are a lot of people in media and there
are a lot of people in politics who came and
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built a large audience by saying, hey, there's a huge
cover up going on, and then they built certainly Pambondi did,
she was a mess on this issue. You don't give
out the papers that say Epstein Files Phase one, which
is what they did a few months ago, to a
lot of influencers, and not set the expectation that there
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is a phase two. And so I think they overpromised
and now they're under delivering based on what the data
actually shows inside of the one hundred thousand documents. According
to what I was reading this morning, that is makes
up the Epstein files. Doesn't mean that you want people
to get away with crimes. Again, the civil cases, everybody
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who said they were a victim of Epstein, everybody who
waved their arms and said, hey, I want to be
either compensated or I want this guy going to jail criminally.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Right, there's two different tracks.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
They made almost five hundred million dollars in payments to
those people, and so if there were others who could
be charged, I think they would be charged. I think
they are struggling to find any evidence of that.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I told you guys to me, I would just release
all the files and just say to hell with it,
because I think that's the easiest thing that Trump administration
could do, just like they did with the MLK files,
RFK files JFK and what do we say. There's unlikely
to be major revelations in those files because if there
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had been stuff in there that said, hey, you know
who actually killed JFK? Do you think they would have
been sitting in files inside of the FBI CIA relating
to the JFK assassination for decades and nobody leaked them,
nobody got them out there. If there are the proverbial
smoking gun evidence, I think it's likely been gone for
(29:08):
a very very long time. And I think the best
thing you could do if you're the Trump team now,
as I said, is just put that all out. I
know they tried, to their credit, tried to get through
the grand jury transcript transcripts were released. They wouldn't do it.
They went and met with Jelay Maxwell. We'll see what
she wants to say. She may testify under oath, but again,
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five hundred million dollars in payments five hundred million dollars
in payments to everybody who says they were a victim
of Jeffrey Epstein and came forward in civil penalties. Almost
no discussion by and large about that. That would suggest
that they told their stories and that there is not
anybody else to charge. Now, I understand it's frustrating when
(29:53):
you're told something and then when you're over promised and
under delivered. I actually think that's the primary story here,
and I don't want you to miss that. This is
now the way that Democrats are attacking Trump. They're not
going after him on the economy by and large because
it's good getting better. They're not going after him on
the border because he shut it down and deportations are
(30:14):
popular with people who voted for him. They're not going
down going after him on crime because crime numbers are collapsing.
I don't know how many of y'all realize this, because
it hasn't gotten that much attention, because good news tends
to not get as much attention when the media buying
large hates Trump. We may, and I stress may, because
it's the summer and it is when overall murders tend
(30:37):
to grow, right, summers is when, if you go look
at the data, the summer season is when the majority
of murders are going to happen. On a calendar basis.
They happen far more often in the summer. Kids are
out of school, there's way more people out and about
whether it's good you're not huddled up trying to avoid
(31:00):
freezing as you are in many parts of the country
during the winter. Summer is when violence peaks. If we
can keep that peak down, we may set a record
in the twenty first century for the fewest murders in
this country. That's the pace that we're on right now. Economy,
border crime, it's pretty incredible. All right, you guys can
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weigh in. We haven't taken any calls yet. If you
think I'm missing something, eight hundred and two two eight
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We will take your calls.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We are
loaded up with calls. Let me start unting through some
of them. But Eric from Milwaukee has a big question.
News Talk eleven thirty win. We love y'all up there.
What is Eric's question?
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Cc Hey, Clay love the show. Want to challenge your
legal mind for a second. Does that immunity also include
treasonous acts where the person making those decisions is acting
against the best interests of the United States at the time.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
It's a great question and understanding exactly where presidential powers extend.
Here is the defense that Obama would have as Trump
was laying out and pointing it out, he would argue
that he believed he was acting in the best interests
of the country, and so you would have to prove
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that in a situation like that, he knowingly was acting
against the best interests of the country, and that he
knew the information he was citing and relying on was
untrue as a part of that process. I just I
think that's almost an impossible standard to reach, which is
why I think Trump is right. And by the way,
(35:14):
I think that's the right result. You shouldn't have I
mentioned yesterday, take it out of the politics of today.
I think personally, the decision to go to war in
Iraq over WMDs was the worst presidential decision of the
twenty first century. Now, some of you out there can
argue with me about that. I think Dick Cheney and
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George W. Bush got that one billion percent wrong. I
think if you could go back in time and we
never went into Iraq and we never spent the trillions
of dollars and we never lost the thousands of lives,
that would be the right choice, particularly because Bush was manipulated,
I believe, by his intelligence agencies to believe that there
(35:56):
were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which was not true. Okay,
I'm going to take a bunch of your calls when
we come back, So if you're online, by the way,
stick there. Because I appreciate everybody weighing in, and we
didn't have any guests Friday. We wanted to have open lines.
Let you guys weigh in. But I don't think President,
I don't think President George W. Bush should be charged
(36:17):
with crimes based on the decisions he made surrounding Iraq.
They were awful, they were wrong, but he was acting
in what he believed was the best interest of the country.
Sometimes presidents are just wrong, just like I'm sometimes wrong,
just like you guys are sometimes wrong, and oftentimes it
seems to me when they are wrong, it's partly based
(36:40):
on intelligence agencies getting everything wrong and telling them information
that ends up not being correct, which is what I
think led to the disastrous war in Iraq, what I
believe is the worst decision made by any president in
the twenty first century. We'll be back more. Your call's next.
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