Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 25 2025

Correcting the Historic Record 

President Donald Trump’s departure to Scotland and his remarks on the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling on presidential immunity. Clay emphasizes how this decision not only shields Trump but also extends to former presidents like Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush, reinforcing the broad scope of executive power.

A major segment centers on the Supreme Court’s presidential immunity ruling, with Trump asserting that Obama “owes him big” for the legal precedent that now protects all presidents from criminal prosecution for official acts. Clay explores the implications of this ruling, referencing Tulsi Gabbard’s revelations and the broader legal and political fallout. He also addresses the media’s reaction, including flashbacks to the Russia investigation and the media’s portrayal of Trump’s relationship with Vladimir Putin.

Why Trump Won with People

Deep dive into the political fallout of the Russiagate scandal, the media’s role in perpetuating misinformation, and the enduring political strength of President Donald Trump. Clay Travis opens the hour with personal anecdotes before launching into a powerful monologue comparing Trump’s 2016 election victory to Tom Brady’s first Super Bowl win—an unexpected upset that later proved to be the beginning of a legendary run. This analogy underscores the central theme: Trump’s underestimated political talent and the establishment’s refusal to accept his legitimacy.

The hour explores how Democrats, unable to comprehend Hillary Clinton’s loss, fueled the Russia collusion narrative. Clay argues that this disbelief birthed the Russiagate hoax, which he claims was orchestrated by the deep state, intelligence agencies, and mainstream media. He emphasizes that the Steele dossier and other allegations were part of a broader effort to delegitimize Trump’s presidency.

Gift of Self-Awareness

Listeners call in to weigh in on the origins of the Russia investigation, Hillary Clinton’s role, and the media’s complicity. One caller suggests that Clinton’s loss triggered a psychological spiral, while another highlights how the narrative was used to distract from Trump’s policy successes. Clay reinforces that Trump’s presidency—particularly the first six months—has delivered on key issues like the economy, border security, and crime reduction.

The discussion also touches on the Epstein files, with Clay warning conservatives not to fall into traps set by Democrats using right-wing criticisms to attack Trump. He urges listeners to focus on Trump’s intent and accomplishments rather than personal controversies, arguing that many of the attacks against him are politically motivated and lack substance.

Throughout the hour, Clay stresses the importance of recognizing Trump as a generational political force, comparing his impact to that of Ronald Reagan. He critiques the intelligence community’s political bias and calls for greater accountability and balance in government institutions.

Carnival Funhouse Mirror

A passionate monologue on the state of American values and the role of fatherhood in society. The hour opens with a lighthearted update on Buck Sexton’s family travels and a push to grow the show’s YouTube presence, highlighting the shift in media consumption from traditional radio to video-based platforms.

Clay then transitions into a viral marketing story involving actress Sydney Sweeney and American Eagle, using it as a springboard to critique the fashion industry's pivot away from traditional beauty standards. He argues that the return to aspirational advertising—featuring attractive models—is a sign of cultural healing, contrasting it with past campaigns from brands like Victoria’s Secret and Nike that embraced body positivity and inclusivity, which he claims were commercially unsuccessful.

The conversation evolves into a broader cultural critique, where Clay draws parallels between advertising trends and the decline of traditional family structures in pop culture. He laments the disappearance of strong father figures in modern television, contrasting it with the nuclear family portrayals in classic sitcoms like The Cosby Show, Family Ties, Growing Pains, and Home Improvement. He argues that the absence of dads in media contributes to a crisis of masculinity and a lack of aspirational role models for young boys.

Clay also reflects on the impact of social media, likening it to a “carnival funhouse mirror” that distorts reality and has led to misguided cultural shifts since 2014. He ties this distortion to rising teen depression, the collapse of race relations, and the influence of m

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I

(00:04):
hope all of you are ready for the weekend and
looking forward to hanging out with me as we roll
into the weekend with three fun hours. Buck in New
York City celebrating his dad's birthday. Happy birthday to Papa Sexton. Also,
I meant to say producer Ali's birthday was yesterday and
I forgot to mention it on the show. So birthdays

(00:26):
abound everywhere, and we hope you guys are ready to
have some fun with us. Trump has hopped onto Air
Force one and is now on his way to Scotland
to visit several of his properties over there, predominantly golf courses.
He addressed the media as he left the White House

(00:47):
and made a lot of news after yesterday's show. He
also toured the site of the FED construction that they
are spending a couple of billion dollars three billion dollars
actually on, and met with Jerome Powell face to face,
where he made the case that they needed to lower
the interest rates, which by the way, Trump is correct about.

(01:11):
We will dive into all of that, but we begin
with something that we told you early this week, and
I didn't hear very many other people out there saying it.
But when a lot of people were saying, Oh Obama's
going to be arrested, Oh He's going to be purp walked,
we got the twenty sixteen intelligence briefings that prove Obama
committed a crime. I told you, Look the Supreme Court

(01:35):
ruling that said Trump had the power as president to
act as he did in twenty twenty and could not
be charged criminally as a result those expansive presidential powers.
The Supreme Court held six to three in Trump's favor.
We told you that that ruling was likely to come.
It now has come. And guess what. It applies to

(01:57):
Bill Clinton. It applies to Barack Obama, It applies to
George W. Bush, It applies to Donald Trump, any living president,
any current president, any future president. And Trump was actually
asked about that, given the revelations from Tulci Gabbard. He said, Hey, look,
Obama owes me big because he's probably protected by the

(02:19):
same ruling. Let me play that cut. Trump just said
this a little bit ago.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Listen, how do you think that the Supreme Court ruling
that bennettited you on presidential immunity would apply to former
President Barack Obama and what you're accusing him of doing.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
It probably helps him a lot, probably helps him a.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Lot of the immunity ruling.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
But it doesn't help the people around.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Him at all.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
But it probably helps him a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
He's done criminal acts, there's no question about it.

Speaker 7 (02:49):
But he has immunity and.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
It probably helps them.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Alig he owes me a big.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Obama owes me big. Obama owes me big.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
That is Trump talking about the situation there where Obama's
now protected, likely by the larger ruling that the Supreme
Court made on presidential privilege. And we told you back
when this ruling came down you may not like it
at some point in the future. It reminds me of
Mitch McConnell when they changed the filibuster rules for the

(03:22):
Supreme Court, saying, hey, you may not like the results,
and it may happen sooner than you think. There you
go the benefit sometimes of precedents set by the Supreme Court.
You think, oh, this is great, and then there's another
situation that comes down the road and the president is
applied evenly, whether Democrat or Republican or frankly independent, or

(03:43):
Whig or Tory or whatever future parties may exist in
the years, decades, hundreds of years into the future. In
the United States, the Supreme Court ruling will apply to
every president when it comes to the president having the
powers to exercise the prerogative of the presidency without worrying
about being charged with criminal related incidents going forward. And

(04:05):
so I would say in general, this week, if you
look at the entirety of the week, has largely been
characterized by revelations relating to the twenty sixteen intelligence communities
attempt to create the Russia Gate fervor and ongoing discussion
surrounding the Epstein files and what has been uncovered there.

(04:29):
This morning, as part of my prep, as I always do,
I read the New York Times. There is a huge,
multi thousand word piece in the New York Times that
goes into the review of all of the Epstein files
by the Department of Justice under Trump and the fact
that frankly, they haven't been able to find anything, and
about how frustrated that made Pambondi and Dan Bongino and

(04:53):
Cash Patel, who desperately wanted to find people that they
could charge based on the informa that was inside of
those files, and according to that New York Times report,
there just isn't anything there. Doesn't mean that there might
not have been in the past. Ninety percent of people
out there believe that these files should be released.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Again.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Their challenges because some of these people are victims. But
I suspect that they're going to try to release everything
that they can, and there's just not going to be
much there. Julane Maxwell interviewed yesterday by the Deputy ag
to see if she knew anything else. One thing that
I think I have not done a good job talking
with you guys about from the Epstein perspective is, remember

(05:38):
that there were hundreds of millions of dollars paid out
to the alleged Epstein victims by his estate, by all
these other different large investment banks that also had interactions
and dealings with Jeffrey Epstein. In other words, people say, well,

(05:58):
what happened to all the victims, Well, a lot of
those victims came forward, raised their hand, remained anonymous, but said, hey,
we are a part of this class action lawsuit alleging
that we were mistreated by Jeffrey Epstein and Julaane Maxwell
and many of those women. They got paid hundreds of
millions of dollars by Epstein's estate. It doesn't get talked

(06:21):
about very much, but there were hundreds of millions of
dollars paid out to those victims of Epstein and Julaane Maxwell.
And I do think that that has kind of slid
under the radar and it hasn't gotten that much attention.
But people said, well, what happened to all these victims.
A lot of them came forward and said, hey, this
was what was done to me, And we are filing

(06:42):
a class action lawsuit civilly seeking damages from Jeffrey Epstein's
estate in the wake of his death and the estate
team in New York. Maybe you can look out and
see if there's a full dollar value, but I know
they paid out hundreds of millions of dollars in claims
against individuals who purport that they were mistreated. So again,

(07:05):
two different scandals to me, and I asked this question.
I asked you guys earlier this week, Hey, which do
you think is the bigger story, Epstein or the Epstein
fallout or Russia Gate? And overwhelmingly you guys said Russia Gate.
And also I gave a third option in that poll,

(07:28):
and the third option was I don't care about any
of this, just get my costs down. In other words,
I'm just focused on the economy, and it actually outrated
the Epstein drama as well. In other words, the majority
of you said Russia Gate's a really, really big story.
That was the winner of the poll. Second place was
I don't care about any of this, just get my

(07:49):
costs down, and then third was Epstein. But I would
say we basically have dueling controversies, for lack of a
better way to describe it, with the Russia Gate, which
I believe is actually a huge story, the Russia Gate hoax,
and then also the fallout of Epstein, all taking place simultaneously,

(08:10):
And of course Democrats are saying, well, this is just
Trump's desire to distract from the Epstein related cases. But
I actually don't think that's true. I think that what
happened with Russia has been an obsession of Trump's for
a long time, And in particular, I wanted to play
some of this because these are flashbacks, and I know

(08:31):
some of you remember it, but remember what happened the
first time Trump met with Putin and what the reaction
was as the media had bought into the idea that
Trump was a Manchurian candidate. I want to play a
couple of these cuts. Here's cut seven, Chris Cuomo back
when he was still on CNN screaming about President Trump

(08:53):
and the Russia hoax to his audience. This was in
twenty eighteen. Some of you will remember it. This is
what Trump one point zero was dealing with all lies.
Cut seven.

Speaker 8 (09:04):
The world witnessed to betrayal the likes of which we've
never seen. America's president sided with its enemy. Today, shack
has turned to a national shunning as America finds unity
in President Trump's perfidy. It was the simplest of all
questions regarding Russia's attacks on our democracy.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Did it happen?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
So?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I have great confidence in my intelligence people, But I
will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and
powerful in his denial.

Speaker 8 (09:35):
Today, that was the President of the United States answer,
a kick in the groin to his counterintelligence men and women,
to his country, and most to the truth. With the
world watching, the leader of the free world sided with
the man who directly ordered a sophisticated attack on America's
electoral system. End of discussion. That's what happened. Russia did it.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
All.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
That's false.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
And remember CNN cut away from Tulci Gabbard when she
was laying out the fact that the intelligence agencies manufactured
this great Russia hoax as a way to delegitimize the
Trump presidency. They're still not allowing their audience to understand
what actually happened. Again, this is another flashback. I think

(10:25):
it's important to remember the unbelievable historyonics that were at
play here.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Cut eight.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said it was the
most tragic day in the history of the presidency when
Trump said, Hey, I'm not really convinced that Russia was
rigging our election.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Cut eight.

Speaker 9 (10:48):
This is probably the most tragic day in the history
of the presidency.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
So what do we do now?

Speaker 8 (10:54):
I mean, what is the rule book for when a
president betrays his own country and with an enemy.

Speaker 9 (11:01):
So I think it's up to the American people to
make clear that we will not tolerate a president who
does not defend the United States of America. Probably the
worst cyber attack against the United States to undermine our
election system. These are bad people, they're bad guys. They're
the enemy. They're the adversary.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, the most tragic day in the history of the presidency,
Leanne Panetta, remember a thing called Ford's Theater. John Wilkes
Booth shooting Abraham Lincoln in the back of the head
feels like a pretty tragic day for the presidency. Fdr
dies in office in the middle of World War Two,
near the end of World War two, feels like a
pretty tragic day in the history of the presidency.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
There it's how about.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
When the how about when the British burned down the
White House? Feels like kind of a tragic day in
the history of the presidency. The degree of line that
was built around this Russian disinformation campaign, Russia could have
never dreamed of having America's own institutions turn on America

(12:09):
to the degree that it did to try to tear
down Donald Trump. And so I don't blame Trump, who
spent four years basically screaming into the wind, there's nothing
to this. I won, and they just can't figure out
how Hillary lost. And now, to her credit, Tulca Gabbert
lays out in a calculated fashion exactly what went on

(12:32):
inside of the intelligence agencies and demonstrates that this Russia
hoax happened. Now a lot of you out there are
throwing up your hands and saying, what's going to happen.
That's the challenge. And I think to his credit, Trump
even acknowledged basically nothing can happen to Obama. I think
it's almost impossible to charge him with anything. And I
think it's also very hard to charge others because the

(12:56):
time has passed to such an extent.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Now. I do think lee.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Of these intelligence documents that the Washington Post, in the
New York Times, among other among others used as their
method to win Pulitzer prizes, and see this idea that
this untruth was in fact a truth. I do think
there should be consequences there, and at an absolute minimum,

(13:21):
I think this is very significant because it's correcting the
historic record and making people slowly aware of exactly what
went on. I will take your calls. You guys can
react to all of this. We've got a ton as
we roll through the program. No guest scheduled right now
two A two two eight eight two. That's eight hundred
and two A two two eight A two. We can

(13:42):
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Speaker 11 (15:34):
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
Smart move to stick with Bricks. We know what happens
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Speaker 1 (17:13):
Ayby taken the first trip with the baby. He did
not cry on the airplane, which is good for Buck
because at some point we're gonna have to pull back
up the audio of Buck talking about how baby should
never cry on airplanes. I think it was like the
first year that we were together, before he was married,
before he had a kid of his own. Now his
baby has so far been very good on an airplane.

(17:34):
But I told him, I test. I was like, dude,
at some point, every one of my kids has thrown
up on me on an airplane, all three of them,
and at different times when they were young. And I
told him, at some point, the wheels are gonna come off,
and you're gonna come on, You're gonna tell me about it,

(17:54):
and I'm gonna pull the audio of you talking about
I don't know why the parents just don't stop that.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Baby from crying. What's the deal. Just tell the baby
to stop crying.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
So so far, baby boy Sexton has not cried on
the airplane. But I'm telling you this is coming We've
been talking about the fallout of Russia Gate, also the
continued discussion surrounding the Epstein files and everything going on there,
and we've got a ton of you that want to
weigh in. But I do want to go back to

(18:23):
something that I said yesterday because I think it actually
goes to the root of how all of this started.

Speaker 13 (18:29):
You ever go.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Back to the root of things and say, how do
we ever get in this mess to start with? I
think it's super instructive. It reminds me of my golf game.
I don't play golf that often, but what I love
about golf is you have to constantly follow what you
did before, and that, to me is why golf is

(18:51):
a perfect distillation of life. If you hit a bad shot,
you have to deal with the consequences of the bad shot.
And trust me, I deal with the consequences of a
lot of bad shots in my golf game. When you
shank a shot off to the right and you're in
the trees, presuming that you are playing golf as it
is intended to get play, sometimes you don't. You don't

(19:13):
get to pick the ball up and throw it back
into the center of the fairway. You have to play
the ball where it lies. You have to deal with
a really difficult second shot, and sometimes you get the
choice to make. Do you try to hit a hero
shot on that second shot or do you take your
medicine and just knock it back in the fairway and
be prepared for the third.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
And I understand some of you don't.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Play golf, but I think the metaphor of life and
golf interplays very well. And if you finish the round,
you go back and you can say, boy, where did
my game really go fall apart something? It may be
like you just stink a golf and that's me, and
so there's no one thing that you did wrong. But

(19:57):
if you're a really good golfer, you can go back
and you can say, boy, on it eight, I really
had the wrong club there. I didn't factor in the wind,
and that's when my round kind of fell apart and
I never really came back from it. I think about
this as it pertains to Russia Gate, and I think
this is so important. Why did Russia Gate happen? Because

(20:18):
Democrats couldn't figure out how Trump won. They thought Hillary
was a shoe in. They wanted to shatter the glass ceiling.
They wanted all of the balloons to come falling, and
they couldn't comprehend that they lost to Trump. This reality

(20:40):
television show guy, what in their mind, thoroughly unserious candidate.
I was thinking about it this week and I came
up with an analogy that some of you may think
is crazy, but others of you you're gonna be like,
you know what, Yeah, I totally see it. Tom Brady
is the best quarterback in the history of the NFL. Now,

(21:04):
some of you may be out there, die hard cold
to Broncos fans. You might be arguing Peyton Manning. Some
of you are Kansas City Chiefs fans. You may argue
for Patrick Mahomes. But I want to take you back
to the inception of Tom Brady for a moment. In
two thousand and two, Tom Brady won his first Super
Bowl and they beat Rushes, heavily favored at the time,

(21:28):
still in Saint Louis Rams football team. Some of you
are going to remember that game and a lot of
people said, how in the world did this happen? How
did Kurt Warner NFL MVP, probably the best quarterback in
the NFL at that point in time. Greatest show on turf,
best offense. The Rams were a huge favorite in that

(21:51):
game to win their second straight Super Bowl, or nearly
the second straight Super Bowl, and instead they lost, and
everybody said, how in the world did this happen? How
did the Rams who were so good? Kurt Warner throws
for over three hundred yards. I was actually during the
commercial break, I was looking up the stats on this
game because I thought it was interesting. And Kurt Warner

(22:15):
threw for over three hundred yards. Tom Brady didn't do
hardly anything. Kurt Warner three hundred and sixty five yards passing,
Tom Brady one hundred and forty five yards passing. It
was a big difference in numbers. People said, man, this
is a huge upset. I don't know how this happened.
How did Tom Brady beat Kurt Warner. Well, then come

(22:39):
to find out, actually, Tom Brady's one of the greatest
of all time, and he would go on and he
would win six more Super Bowls, play in ten total
Super Bowls, And in retrospect, you go back and you
look at that two thousand and two Super Bowl and
you say, boy, that was just the first sign that

(23:02):
this guy was built different. And over time everybody came
to see, Oh, yeah, Kurt Warner, he's a good quarterback,
but Brady was different. I would submit to you that
the twenty sixteen election, a lot of people didn't get

(23:22):
yet that Donald Trump was built different. And so in
the immediate aftermath, they're saying, boy, Hillary Clinton, she's Kurt Warner,
she's the rams, she's the favorite, she should never lose
this election. And the original sin of all of Russia
Gate was a disbelief in Donald Trump's innate political gifts.

(23:48):
Think about where we are right now. I loved watching
Tom Brady when he played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
because I knew we didn't have a lot of time
left with Tom Brady, and I just wanted to celebrate
his career. I feel that way about Trump right now.

(24:08):
People are climbing all over attacking him and everything else.
But the reason Russia Gate happened was because Democrats hadn't
seen yet that Trump was built different. I think the
best president since Reagan on the Republican side, generational political talent,

(24:31):
and so much like when Brady won that first Super Bowl,
they didn't know what was to come. They went back
and they said something had to happen other than just
Trump being the politician that he is, the political talent
that he is. They thought that he was just a

(24:51):
total schmuck, and so they said something had to happen
here way that Hillary really lost this election to that guy.
There's no way. Kurt Warner just lost the Super Bowl
to Tom Brady. And now as we sit in twenty

(25:13):
twenty five, I am telling you we are rapidly accelerating
towards instead of being Hitler.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Soon you're gonna start here.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Democrats acknowledge Trump is actually the greatest political talent of
the Republican Party in two generations. They're gonna pivot really
quickly from the guy's Hitler to They're never gonna be
able to replicate what this guy is capable of. Why
do I bring all this to bear? Don't take for

(25:47):
granted the immense, incredible good fortune that we have with
Donald Trump in office right now, because he's not perfect.
I think there is an element out there, and I
think the Epstein case is a part of it where

(26:09):
we have I think the greatest six months that we
have ever seen in my life of a president doing
exactly what he said he was going to do. Economy,
border crime. He could not have delivered better than he has.
And we have an innate tendency to decide to fixate
on the one thing that's not perfect, the two things

(26:31):
that aren't exactly what we would have done if we
were in that position, and not enjoy and appreciate the
good fortune that we actually find ourselves in right now.
And I think Democrats, if you go back and look
at the origination of why Russia Gate happened, it was

(26:51):
simply because they couldn't comprehend that Trump was as good
of a political thoroughbred as he was.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Look, I decided, and some of you are gonna be
upset about this. I decided once and for all when
Trump took a bullet that I was not going to
take him for granted. When he got his ear clipped,
I said, I will run through a wall for this guy.
I have got his back for this entire term. Doesn't
mean he's going to be perfect, doesn't mean that we're

(27:23):
not going to come on this show and sometimes say, boy,
I wish he'd done that a little bit different. I
wish he'd been less of a bullet a china shop.
I wish they had communicated on this issue a little
bit better. But I focus a lot on intent.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
What is the goal?

Speaker 1 (27:37):
And if your intent is a good place, sometimes you're
going to screw things up. And I think sports is
another good analogy of this. It's frustrating when a player
jumps off sides on third down, but it's an error
of trying to do too much. I would rather somebody
try to do too much and sometimes screw up, then

(27:58):
not be able to take a great of action and
not do enough. Trump's errors, if you go look at him,
are almost always going to be trying to do too much.
He's trying to make too much happen. He's trying to
change too much. He's trying to do as much as
he possibly can in what is a relatively short period

(28:21):
of time. I'm a history nerd. The older I get,
the more I sit around and say, boy, you know,
a four year presidential term is really not very much time,
and even eight years it's really not very much time.
We got Supreme Court justices with lifetime tenure, we got
senators that are going to be in office for forty years,

(28:45):
eight years. Any one man, any one president, is automatically circumscribed. Trump,
if he is guilty of anything right now, is guilty
of trying to do too much simultaneously. And I just
think again, be careful in trying to attack someone who
is doing so much immense good Right now, the top

(29:08):
attack of Democrats actually originated with Republicans. They're coming after
Trump over Epstein. Not because the Democrats have been right
on Epstein, God forbid. They set on the files for
four years, they didn't release anything, they barely even mentioned it,
and now they're going to come after Trump, who just

(29:28):
got into office six months ago.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Over Epstein.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Be very, very careful when you are playing into the
hands of the people that hate Trump. In the back
of your mind, be thinking that primary Democrat attack now
on Trump is related to Epstein. Are their hands clean
on this? Have they actually done anything? All they're doing
is using right wing attacks on Trump to actually use

(29:56):
and mobilize the left against him. Again, I'm going to
take a bunch of your calls. We're going to weigh in,
but I just want you to think about that the origination,
where did Russia Gate come from?

Speaker 5 (30:06):
It came from Trump can't actually have won.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
It's like Brady when he beat Kurt Warner before we
knew how good Tom Brady was. Now, I understand some
of you knew that in sixteen. Some of you had
your eyes open in fifteen when Trump came down the escalator.
Other people came on board different times. Some of you
voted in Trump twenty some of you voted Trump twenty
four in the first time. I think most of you
out there listening have come to see his unique political

(30:32):
skill and talents Again. I think he's the greatest Republican
president since Reagan. And I think Trump, in his mind,
is making a run for the ages. His aspiration is
not to be the best since Reagan. I think he
wants to be better than Reagan. This guy's ambition is not,
as we all know, to be pretty good. It's to

(30:55):
be the greatest ever. We'll take your calls just like
Tom Brady, in my opinion, is the greatest questquarterback of
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I hope that it is a very, very long time
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about what might happen to me.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
But who knows.

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Speaker 1 (33:41):
Cut thirty. I think it's important to remember just how
aggressive the lies all were that were used against Trump.
Here is Bernie Sanders saying Russia may be blackmailing Trump.
We need bucks Bernie impersonation. But I promise this is
actually Bernie. This is cut thirty.

Speaker 13 (33:57):
Trump doesn't understand what RuSHA has done not only to
our elections, but to cyber attacks against all parts of
our infrastructure. Either he doesn't understand it, or perhaps he
is being black veiled Russia because they may have compromising
information about him. Or perhaps also you have a president
who really does have strong authoritarian tendencies, and maybe he

(34:21):
admires the kind of government that Putin is running in Russia.
And I think all of that is a disgrace and
a disservice to the American people. And we have got
to make sure that Russia does not interfere not only
in our elections, but in other aspects of our lives.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Bernie took his honeymoon in Russia the idea that he
would be Hey, maybe he admires Russia. This guy during
the Cold War, got married and decided there's anywhere in
the world I could go.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
I think I want to go to Russia.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
And then he's going to accuse Trump of having a
soft spot for Russia. I just think it's so funny,
but it is important to remember maybe he's a Russian asset.
You know how aggressive and crazy that is to say
about the President of the United States. You know, they
don't really have an answer for the question. Hey, there's
a really simple question. If Trump were an asset of Russia,

(35:24):
why did Vladimir Putin wait until Joe Biden was in
office to invade Ukraine? If he had Trump by well,
I'll just say it the balls. If he had Trump
dead to rights because of some sort of compromising information,
why didn't he invade Ukraine when Trump was in office?

(35:47):
Nobody can explain that. Why did he wait until Joe Biden.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Was in office to invade Ukraine?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
And here's the other thing. Nobody's ever really explained this
to me either. What would Russia have on Trump? Then
that is worse than what the Democrats have said about
Trump for the last decade. You slept with a porn
star while your wife had a baby at home. Not

(36:16):
a great thing to have people say about you. Just
gonna throw it out there. You raped somebody at a
dressing room in New York City.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Not something that I would want people to be saying
about me.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Is there really anything that Russia could have ever said
about Trump that was actually worse than what Democrats were
already saying about Trump?

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Like, that's the part, why didn't he invade while he
was there? Okay?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
They don't have an answer for that. What could be
worse than what you're already saying about Trump? You're a
racist nazi who slept with a porn star while your
wife had a baby at home, and also you raped
a woman in a dressing room in a New York
City department store. I don't know what else you can

(37:08):
say that's worse. Oh, you slept with some random girl
in Russia? Okay?

Speaker 5 (37:16):
Like what did we think that Russia had on that?
Nobody can ever answer this?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
What was so debilitating that Trump was so terrified of?
That would actually have been worse than what Democrats were
already saying about him.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
I don't know about you.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
But when somebody says, hey, you're a racist nazi and
they attack you, who you slept with, use, you have
sexual assault, all these other different things. What else is
left that that's honestly the result of twenty twenty four.
I knew Democrats were in trouble when they started saying, oh,
he's a he's an oligarch, Oh he's a fascist. They

(37:57):
were having to go further down the awful things to
say about you food chain because racist Hitler all that
stuff wasn't working anymore, and they were panicking and they
were actually insulting him with less insulting things that they
could say about him. But again, what was this compromising
information that was worse than what Russia was than what

(38:18):
the Democrats were already saying? Never made me? Since why
wouldn't they have invaded at that point in time? Tommy
and Michigan?

Speaker 5 (38:25):
What you got for me?

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Hey, you forgot one thing. Remember what Hilary put out there?
They claimed Donald Trump was given golden showers to Russian hookers.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Remember that, Yeah, But I'm well totally, I mean, that
was in the Steel dossier.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
But my point is, hold on my point is.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Even that is that worse than saying, hey, you slept
with a porn star while your wife was home? With
a baby, or you raped somebody in a in a dressing.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
Room, like they all. When you go that way, at
some point.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
People are just like, either you don't believe it, or
you kind of end up in a situation where you're like,
there's just so many accusations. Whatever opinion you have of
Trump is already baked in. And I think that's the
problem that Democrats have run into. And that's my point
on the Russian compromising information. If somebody said, hey, Clayton,

(39:20):
trust me. There are people who say clay Travis is
a racist, Nazi supporting, philandering, life beating, you know, child abusing,
Like every awful thing that could be said about me,
somebody has said on the internet right at some point
in time, a fraction as often as they've said it
about Trump. But at some point in time you just
have to say, well, if you're only attacking the guy

(39:42):
for personal issues, what are you so afraid of about
the political arguments that he's making. And I think that's
where the American public got. I'm not saying Trump's the saint.
He certainly isn't. He screwed up and made a lot
of awful decisions in his life, both personal private business,
like every single person on the playing it. But he
is also right on a ton of political issues, and

(40:05):
I think the American public eventually says, well, if you're
attacking Trump personally instead of addressing the substance of the
political arguments that he's making, at some point in time,
the American public is smart enough to say, wait a minute,
why can't they just go toe to toe with him
on the actual political issues. Let's just presume that nobody

(40:26):
is perfect, that everybody in politics is screwed up in
their life, just like everybody else in the whole world
has screwed up at some point in their life. And hey,
the fact that they can't actually debate them on the
issues is a sign that they're not right on the issue.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Sorry to cut you off, what you got for us.
The additionally, talk about the Obama thing.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
It's like, you know what, this whole, this whole Russian collision.
It was debunked a year ago with Jake Capper on TNN.
He came out and said it was all a hoax,
The whole Russian you know, the Russian dotsier, the whole
it was all creative by Hillary Clinton. Jake Capper from
CNN came out and said it was a hope. It

(41:04):
was defunked on CNN, and now the Democrats are trying
to bring up this, Oh well, you know what, because
they knew this was They're the masters at the versionary tectics.
They knew Trump was coming out with this thing against Obama.
And how they try to you know, Brennan and call me.
Those guys are going down. Obama's got presidential immunity, but

(41:26):
the other guys are probably going down. And they know this.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
I think you're you're skipping in and out. We're losing
a little bit of the audience. I think that the
Intelligence Agency Apparatus, CIA, FBI, all those guys, I think
they're in more legal peril for sure than Obama is.
I think Obama's going to skate because he has presidential privilege.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
Again.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Trump said that we played that audio for you earlier.
We've been telling you that all week. I don't want
to overpromise and under deliver to you guys, because I
trust all of you to be intelligent and an analyst
of all of the news that's out there. And I
think you should listen to people like me and Buck
and over time say hey, Are they being honest with us?
Are they analyzing the larger news arena and telling us

(42:11):
exactly what we think? Doesn't mean we're going to be perfect.
I thought we were going to get a red wave
in twenty twenty two. It's one hundred percent wrong. Didn't happen. Ah,
And by the way, I think that's the reason Obama
sorry that Biden got to stay in office. And I
think that's the reason we got the red wave in
twenty twenty four. But we were early on that, we
saw the wave building. That was one that I got

(42:32):
completely wrong. I had to come in and tell you guys, hey,
that I was wrong on this. We got it in
twenty four, we were early on it. We didn't get
it in twenty two.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
Got it wrong. I'll own it.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Buck had to own it when he said, hey, they'll
never kick Biden to the curb. I ended up getting
that one right. One or the other of us is
going to be right sometimes. Most of the time, I
think one of the other of us is going to
be wrong. Sometimes rarely wi we both be wrong. I
think on everything like Biden, was it his presidency? Ted
and Nebraska? What you got for us?

Speaker 7 (43:06):
Thick of my call I think your analysis of how
shocked the Democrats were because of a Neo fight winning
is all true. That November, once they knew, everything changed
and they I mean, it wasn't benign. They just hated him.

(43:26):
He was an existential threat from immigration in the whole
nine yards. They started with Sessions, got him out of
the way so they could legally attack him. Flynn, they
didn't want him in the Pentagon. With all of that,
it's not that they tried to perpetrate this Russian hoax.
It's the fact they perpetrated the Russian hoax with the

(43:50):
deep state. His own party was part of it, the
media was part of it, the deep state, the Democrats.
This is the biggest scandal in the history of the
United States, and everyone involved in this has to go down.
I don't agree with the other caller. I think everyone's
going to state on this because of Statute of limitations

(44:12):
and everything else. But this is just over the top.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I appreciate the call it, I unfortunately think that it's
more likely they're going to skate than they're going to
be prosecuted. I do think this matter is in a
big way for the historical record, and I also think look,
I went off a little bit yesterday. I also think
we have to accept that intelligence agencies are very often
intensely political, and I think one of the legacies of

(44:36):
the Trump era is going to be establishing just how
political our government is.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
On a day to day basis. Everything is political, and
so this.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Idea, well, we're going to be completely balanced in intelligence
agencies or the Department of Justice or anywhere else. Sadly
that's not the case. I think Trump has brought it
back closer to balance, to evenness. But when you have
an entire agency that would vote eighty percent Democrat and
twenty percent Republican, it's impossible to have balance. And by

(45:06):
the way, I think this is true of all the
universities too. In order to have balance, you basically have
to have half the people that believe one thing half
the people that believe the other thing. That is the
very essence of balance, and then you let those people
fight it out inside of your company or even better,
and this is what Google has finally started to do.

(45:28):
They just say, hey, work is not where politics should happen.
That's kind of where we were for most of the
eighties and the nineties and the early two thousands. I
think we had reached this sort of grudging status quo
and we weren't trying to influence politics on everything. And
then Trump got elected and broke everybody's brain. And I

(45:49):
mentioned as we had to break we had to call
her that was on talking about how her daughter reacted
to Hillary. I think it was Lori in South Carolina
that we had on there. I said I would Hillary.
I think Hillary's brain was broken by the loss in
twenty sixteen, and I think she was like Kurt Warner
losing to Tom Brady before we realized how good of

(46:11):
a talent Brady was. The analogy that I made that
explains how all of Russia collusion, in my mind, came
to happen. They had to come up with a reason
other than Trump's in eight talents why the result happened
as it did, and I think they delegitimized and de
emphasized the talents of Trump. I think Hillary secretly was
super ecstatic when she saw Kamala get swamped in twenty

(46:34):
twenty four because I think at that point in time, she,
even if she won't say it publicly, could start to think, hey,
maybe I didn't completely screw up everything. Maybe Trump's just
a really good politician. And I think when he swamped
Kamala and he knocked Biden out of the race. I
think she will never say it, but I think Hillary

(46:56):
got some peace for the trauma that she felt from
losing that race. I think it spiraled her out of control.
I think she had to look at external factors. Whenever
something bad happens. The first thing that most people do
is look for other people that are the cause of
the bad thing happening.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
This is just life.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
If you just got divorced, it's very rare that the
first thought you have is, you know what, I completely
screwed that up. This is all on me. I should
have been way better. You may work through that eventually
and be like, boy, I wasn't a great husband. I
wasn't a great wife. If you're fighting with your kids,
it's very rare that you're like, hey, maybe I wasn't
as good of a parent, Maybe I've screwed some of
this relationship up. Self analysis is really hard, and even

(47:42):
tougher than that is recognizing that you may well have
caused most of the problems that externally surround you. No,
I say, I think the phrase energy vampire is real.
But if you're a person and you're like, boy, everybody
around me is a jerk and everything is always screwed up,
and why you ever think maybe it's you? This is

(48:06):
what I always say. Football coaches are great on this.
There's a phrase that I also like. I like energy vampire.
You're sucking all the energy out of other people. I
also love the phrase that coaches share with me. Sometimes
they say, you know, being a coach is really interesting.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
College.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Same thing in the draft, but college in particular phrases
we recruit our problems. Do you ever think about how
powerful that phrase is? Most of life you create and
recruit the own problems that you will face, and once
you take ownership of that. And I don't think Hillary

(48:41):
could take ownership of her loss. Oh it's Russia, Oh
it's they cheated, until you can look at internally and say, boy,
I screwed that up. That's on me, My bad. You
can't get over whatever happened to you because there's always
an external excuse. There's always someone else to blame in

(49:03):
all of life. I think Hillary lost in sixteen, and
I think she couldn't comprehend that she could have lost
to Trump, and I think when Trump kicked Kamala's ass
and knocked Joe Biden out of office, I think Hillary
was secretly smiling and loving all of it, because in
her mind she maybe started to recognize, Hey, I lost
to a thoroughbred political talent in twenty sixteen. That stinks,

(49:24):
But it wasn't just that I failed. It's that Trump's
really good. And I bet if you talked to Kurt
Warner now, I bet he felt really bad about losing
that first Super Bowl to Tom Brady. I bet when
he saw Tom Brady win six more super Bowls, he
was like, dude, this guy's legit. I just lost to
the goat. I didn't play well. We could have done better,
but there's no harm in losing to somebody who's excellent

(49:45):
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I bet she has privately. One of the hardest challenges
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Speaker 1 (50:54):
But yesterday Bill O'Reilly came on and he dunked on
us and said, hey, I've got a million youtubes subscribers,
and he wasn't even trying to dunk on us. He
was just kind of just dropping it in there, like, Hey,
no big deal. Million YouTube subscribers and we don't even
have one hundred thousand yet. And I don't know, he's
still going to be dunking on us at a million

(51:15):
to one hundred thousand, but at least it's a really
bit more respectable. And eventually we're gonna have all three
hours of the show up on the site.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
And I would appreciate.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
If all of you would go and subscribe today. You
type in my name Clay Travis, you type in Buck Sexton.
You can get the latest videos. We're posting clips from
the show constantly. If you want to be able to
share clips with maybe your kids or your grandkids, or
you are young yourself and you're out and about on
the road. Maybe you don't get to listen to the

(51:47):
show every day, but you think to yourself, boy, you
know what I'd really like to do. I'd like to
see what T shirt Clay Travis is in today. The
only way you can do that is to be on YouTube.
Maybe you want to know what t shirt bucks in.
Only way you can do that is to be on YouTube.
So let's get over one hundred thousand subscribers and we
will make Buck do a TikTok dance for over one

(52:08):
hundred thousand at some point in time. And look, you
can just catch up with the show and you can
watch it on video. We want you to be subscribed
to the podcast as well. But this is crazy. I
was reading recently. This is why I've gotten so fired
up about the YouTube channel. More people now watch videos
of radio shows than actually listen to podcasts.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Is that kind of crazy?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
And I understand if maybe you're not in that community
that you're listening to the radio five hundred and fifty
five stations nationwide. We love all of you, all fifty states,
thank you, but people are busy. And I was kind
of blown away that more people watch podcast video now
than actually listen to podcast audio.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
So look, we want to catch.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Up with the where the world is going, and I
would ask that you would go and join us. It's free,
Just click like and subscribe, and you can put some
questions in on the comments there, and we're going to
start to do YouTube focused videos where we respond Buck
and Eye to your questions and you can only find

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that on YouTube, So go subscribe Clay Travis buck Sexton,
click subscribe, and also like the channel.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
So we appreciate all of you.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Okay, I don't know how many of you saw this,
but I was over yesterday.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
I was scrolling through and.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
I don't even know how the algorithm works, but somehow
my social media algorithms saw Sidney.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Sweeney in a tank top and tight jeans.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
At a car and they were like, hey, let's feed
this to Clay. I don't know what could I don't
know how that happened. I really I have no idea
how algorithms work. I don't know why they thought a
girl in a tight shirt and tight jeans would somehow
that I would be like, oh, I'm gonna that just
ended up on my timeline and it turned into a
huge story yesterday because a store called American Eagle decided

(54:11):
that they were going to sign Sidney Sweeney as their
chief spokesperson, and this thing went megaviral. The stock was
up like a couple one hundred million dollars since they've
announced it, and I was laughing about it because basically,
the very first job I ever had was working in
an American Eagle Clothing store and yesterday going viral somehow.

(54:35):
I don't know how it ended up on my timeline. Again,
I don't know how algorithms work. I don't know why
they thought that I would be interested in an attractive
woman and not very much clothes.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
I don't know how that happened.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
But so Sidney Sweeney stock is skyrocketing, thing goes megaviral
somehow ends up on my timeline for my very first
job when I was like sixteen years old.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
And you know what they've decided to do.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
They replaced fat, unattractive models with attractive models. And you're
gonna think this is ridiculous, but I actually think it's
evidence of the culture healing. And let me explain why,
and I'll share some funny stories about that job that
I used to have back in the day. But you
remember when a few years ago, Victoria's Secret decided, Hey,

(55:23):
I know the whole Victoria's Secret model thing. You walk
it by in a mall and they have a gorgeous
woman not wearing very much clothes. And it turns out
that putting gorgeous women in not very much clothes convinces
women to go buy more underwear than they otherwise would,
and like body lotion and whatever else Victoria's Secret it sells,

(55:44):
and I'm not putting myself out of this category either.
My wife still makes fun of me. I watched the
Victorious Secret, like the Christmas special that they have, and
then I went and bought like two hundred dollars of
lingerie like the next day, So yes, I I'm susceptible
to advertising. My wife was like, I like, you bought

(56:04):
everything in the whole store. Basically, I was a lot.
I think you're gonna look amazing in it. And she
was like, you watch the Victorious Secret fashion show, didn't you?
And I said yes, And it was incredibly useful. And
there's a lot of men out there that know exactly
what I'm talking about. Like you see an attractive girl
in that outfit and you're like, I want my wife
or my girlfriend in that attractive outfit.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
Boom.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
It works because advertising, by and large is aspirational. People
want to look better than.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
They actually do.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
You ever watch a romantic comedy, it's never the case
that the guy and the girl in the romantic comedy
are both ugly, because nobody would go I don't know why,
you just don't believe that two really fat people should
get together and spend money to go watch it. You
want to watch a guy that's typically sometimes better looking

(56:54):
than you, a woman who's always better looking than the
guy deserves. That is like the romantic comedy Large, and
Hollywood knows it, and that's why it works. Somehow, Victoria's
Secret decided, you know what, I think we'll sell more
lingerie if we put fat people in lingerie. I just
got to tell you it didn't work. In fact, the

(57:15):
company almost went bankrupt. And then they went back and
they said, hey, you know what, we should put more
attractive people in our clothes, because people want to think
that they're going to look more attractive. I'm fat and
not particularly good looking. I don't see somebody in the
underwear store and think, hey, I want them to look

(57:36):
like me. I wish I was in better shape. I
wish I was more ripped. That's how everybody is. Okay,
So American Eagle, where I used to work, they went
with the fat model thing, and basically the entire brand collapsed,
and so now they're pivoting and they should fire everybody
who said, hey, you know what, we need fat models
unattractive women. Nike did the same thing. Hey, let's put

(57:57):
Dylan mulvaney in a sports bra to put fat people
in yoga pants. That'll make people want to buy yoga pants. No,
it doesn't work. Okay, throughout history, attractive people, women in
particular in clothing makes people want to buy more clothing.
So Sidney Sweeney is now the spokesperson for American Eagle,
and this happens almost identical with Nike suddenly deciding did

(58:19):
you guys see Scotty Scheffler won the British Open, the
Open golf championship over the weekend. His insanely cute toddler
kid he's like ten months old, eleven months old, roughly
a year old, was crawling around on the green, and
Nike's new advertisement replacing trans people in women's gear, men

(58:41):
pretending to be women and fat people in yoga pants
is Scotty Scheffler with his son crawling, and it basically says,
you've already won, but now you've won again. Hey, fatherhood
is good. It's good to aspire to win a championship,
but ultimately the most important job, I certainly feel this way,

(59:03):
is when you have kids, raising them to be productive
members of society. So looking at that Sydney Sweeney ad
because again I don't know how it happened, but it
ended up in my timeline, and it's reminding me of
the nineties when I worked in the American Eagle store
and in the Abercrombie and Fitch store. Back in the day,

(59:24):
I made four dollars and fifty cents an hour at
American Eagle Rivergate Mall, Goodletsville, Tennessee. Four dollars and fifty
cents an hour. Probably the most fun job I've ever had,
because I was sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old and all
I had to do all day long was fold shirts

(59:45):
and talk to pretty girls when they walked into the store.
I had an excuse to talk to every pretty girl
on the North and the East side of Nashville that
came to Rivergate Mall. In fact, if you are listening
to this right now in Goodletzville, Tennessee, if you were
cute girl that went into that store between nineteen ninety
six and nineteen ninety nine, there's almost one hundred percent

(01:00:06):
chance I hit on you because I had an excuse
to walk up and talk to you. That was the
best job ever, four dollars and fifty cents, got to
eat Chick fil A every day for lunch, on my
lunch break or my dinner break. Got to just hang
out in the mall. Every teenager in America is there
at that point in time. And do you know how
they sold gear at both American Eagle and Abercrombie and Fitch.

(01:00:28):
Good looking people in the ads, wearing the clothes. And
then we entered this weird world, this weird world where
we were supposed to pretend that, hey, instead of everybody
aspiring to be bigger, stronger, faster versions of themselves or
in better shape versions of themselves, that we should all

(01:00:50):
just be body positive, that there should be no aspiration anymore,
that the meritocracy shouldn't exist, and that we should just
take people as they were and put them in ads.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
And it failed utterly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
And I was actually thinking about this not only in
the context of what American Eagle is doing and how
successful it already appears to be, but in the way
that society shifts.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
It feels quite clear to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Me that we are trying to turn back time and
go back to the eighties, the nineties and the early
two thousands, after a generation where we tried to pretend
things were not real, right, that your grandparents' world didn't
exist anymore, that your parents' world didn't exist anymore. And

(01:01:39):
now we're turning back the clock and going back to
the era of the eighties and nineties and even the
early two thousands, when by and large most people got along.
And I was thinking about this in the context of
social media because I shared over this week race relations
suddenly collapsed about twenty fourteen.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
I'm saying, what caused all this?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Why did we suddenly decide, Hey, let's put fat people
in spandex. Let's put fat people in bras in the
windows at Victoria's Secret.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
Social media?

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Social media came close to breaking this country, and everything
that social media advocated for actually made things worse. Starting
about twenty fourteen, overall happiness in this country collapsed. Thirty
percent of teenage girls suddenly want to commit suicide. Why

(01:02:41):
they're looking at Instagram. They've got zits and braces and
they're looking at Instagram. They're like, I'm so unhappy. They're
seeing this world that doesn't actually exist, and it's not
a far away world like celebrities have always existed. It's hey,
whatever your life is, somebody in your school has a
way better life. They went on a better vacation, They've
got a better car, better in that dress. Gratitude is

(01:03:04):
the enemy of competition. And suddenly everything is collapsing. Black people,
white people, Suddenly, race relations are collapsing. Why BLM comes
up and says, hey, the whole world's racist cops are unnecessary.
Murder rates skyrocket, violent crime skyrockets. All of it, I

(01:03:28):
think is connected directly to social media. And I think
it broke the brains of lots of people, and I
think society as a whole is paying the price. And
we're slowly coming out of that fever and recognizing that
everything that happened before twenty fourteen was actually pretty good

(01:03:48):
in this country, and we were on a good trajectory.
And I think what Trump represents is that acknowledgment that
America is the greatest country that's ever existed, and what
we were sold was a bill of goods.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
I've got a big theory on this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I think the problem was people tried to be too
responsive to social media. Except social media is to real life.
What a carnival funhouse mirror is you know you stand
in front of a carnival funhouse mirror back in the day,
It makes you look fatter or skinnier than you actually are.
It isn't reflective of reality. But we all know that,

(01:04:26):
and that's what makes the carnival funhouse mirror makes sense
because it's humorous, because it's showing you what you actually aren't.
My argument is, social media is the carnival funhouse mirror.
Imagine if you adjusted your diet entirely based on what
you saw in a Carnival funhouse mirror, you would actually

(01:04:49):
be making worse decisions for yourself than if you had
never stood in front of the mirror at all. My
argument is we're starting to come out of that Carnival
funhouse mirror era because the nation as a whole looked
at the reflection we saw in social media and we
thought it was the real world, and we started adjusting
policy as a result. And I think it explains almost

(01:05:13):
everything over the past decade, and that's why we got
so much wrong, and that's why we're starting to fix
so much right now. I want to talk about that more.
We'll take some of your calls. Also want to tell
you the IFCJ does incredible work. I want you to
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bomb shelters to try to save people from bombs. People
of Israel have to constantly be rushing to bomb shelters.

(01:05:36):
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That's what the IFCJ does. They are absolutely incredible. They're
on the ground providing much needed supplies and resources, also
letting them know they've got friends in America. All you
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Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do
a lot of it with the Sunday Hang Join Clay
and Buck

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