August 4, 2025 • 37 mins
In this episode, tech entrepreneur and venture capitalist Allison Huynh opens up about her extraordinary journey—from escaping Vietnam as a child refugee to thriving in Silicon Valley. Huynh shares how her life experience shaped her views on immigration, entrepreneurship, and American values. She also voices her deep frustration with political elites like the Obamas and Clintons, calling for a new era of leaders who build rather than talk. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So, every now and
again a Democrat decides they are going to step into
that independent world. And we've seen that with Tulsea Gabbard
who is now in the administration.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We've seen that with.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
A couple of other high profile Democrats. But some people
behind the scenes are doing that too, and so I'm
glad to say that today we have Alison Wynn with us.
She is a child refugee from Vietnam and she turned
into a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, a venture capitalist, and then
became a fundraiser for former President Barack Obama. But now
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she's joined the world of the independence. Allison, thank you
for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thanks for having me here, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So tell us what I mean. I've read this article
that you have all this like democrat like these historical
things JFK's chair, President Obama painting all of the stuff,
and you're like, you know what, I feel like, it
wasn't it didn't go the direction I expected.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So kind of break that down for us.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yes, I was a very idealistic kid. I grew up
from a war torn country, lived the American dream, became
part of the whole kind of Google, rise to dominance,
really believe in the idea of do know evil, and
then got really disillusion with Google seeing how the sausage
was made. Also, you know, went on the Obama bandwagon
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as well, hope and inspiring young people, people of color.
He talked the talk, it was very much like Martin
Luther King, but when it came to walking the walk,
his politics were racially divisive. And I'm a very big
anti war proponent, much like President Trump. Of course, through
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strength and we had more wars, we had more international
conflicts trying to topple all these regimes. This is exactly
what I'm against. What happened, what happened to peace, hope, prosperity.
So he was just another Bush Cheney puppet. And I
don't really blame him or Bill Clinton. They talk beautifully,
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they're very charming, charismatic, but they are not hands on.
They don't have the skill set. And as an entrepreneur
in Silicon Valley engineering and science background, to be a CEO,
to be a successful investor, you have to think big,
you have to dream big, but you also have to
be very specific. Obama and Clinton's they were just professional
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politicians and dreamers. They didn't know how to actually get
things done. I do believe the deep state just hijacked them,
and then they became part of the deep state themselves,
because that's the universe that they inhabit. They themselves were
criticizing the swamp, but because they didn't know another real world,
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they became a swamp monster themselves.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You know, it's interesting that you say that, because I
think I've told this story on here before. But when
I was deciding whether or not I would run for office,
I was going around, I was talking to some of
the local elected officials and state elected officials, and I
walked into one of the leadership people's offices and we
sat down. We talked for a long time, and we
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had both been in manufacturing, and so I was new
to this and I had it just sounds like you.
You know, I had this view of it was good
people that wanted to serve that walked in and they
decided that they would run for office. And running for
office was this a service? A service you wanted to
provide a service to other people. And as I walked
out of his office, he looked up at me and
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he said, don't let it seduce you. And I remember thinking, oh,
that's a really gross thing to say. I and I
had no idea what he meant because I had not
been in this world. But exactly what you've just said,
it's like this, this swamp comes to you and not oh,
you could do this and you could help us out here.
And that's even the dark money and the super packs
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and all of these things that the amount of money
in the political industry is so hard to not be
jocking for that. You are, oh, just compromise here, just
compromise there, and then suddenly you're lost. And I think
that's what he meant by that statement exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's part of the swamp, the metaphorical and actually literal swamp,
especially during the summer during DC. It's very human. I
just came from there, and a lot of it is
paid to play, and I refuse personally to be compromised.
And it seems like you are as well, because we
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are builders, you and manufacturing me and tech so and
President Trump as well, because let's remember he's a builder
from Queens, New York. He knows how to talk to
the plumbers, the electricians, the craft people, and so he's
the first one, I mean, I've met him personally, and
he's the first one in and he talks to everybody
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on the ground floor. I think that came from his dad, Fred, right,
And so that's how you minimize the swamp. You actually
outwork them and you just become so productive. That's really
the spirit of American innovation and entrepreneurship. That's why we
have all these innovation, whether it's the railroad, the car,
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the the telephone, the Internet, AI, a lot of the
great American blockchain that we're trying to push offshore. Now
we're on shoring many of these companies. So I'm really
excited that we have a president and hopefully getting more
people and hopefully we can seduce you back to running
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for office, tutor, because we need more doers and builders
in this country who can communicate and think big, but
who can actually do things and be very specific with
the way they communicate. And so we look at President
Trump's policies, promise has made and promises kept right with
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the Big Beautiful Bill, he talked about taking care of
his base, the working class specifically, what does that mean, Well,
then that translates to no taxes on tips, on overtime.
That's what the working class is all about also uniting
the investor class, right, extending a lot of those twenty
sixteen Jobs Act for the light industrial investments. The vehicles
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that many of these small medium sized businesses have, you know,
part of the opportunity zones if you have like a
light industrial truck aircraft for hauling stuff around. These are
like the specifics of running a business to really jumpstart
our economy manufacturing here in the US. And also all
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these wonderful trade deals. Now we have seven fifty billion
dollars from the EU coming into the US, five point
fifty billion from pan alone. I brought in a small
amount sixty four billion from the country of Vietnam, and
I'm helping with like some small, you know investments a small,
medium sized country that was war torn. But you know,
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Vietnam is doing what it can to really be a
great ally of the United States. And you know President
Trump knows how to do these deals and align everyone's interest.
So it's a win win. It's easy to say this,
but the devil is in the details, right to like,
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wake up really early, be a deal junkie, look at
all the details. I mean, you know, with manufacturing, it's
all about the supply chain. It's all about your workforce,
so you have to want to be curious about that
and get all the ducks in a row. And you know,
it's not that hard at the end of the day.
But we just have a president and hopefully a party
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in charge that is, you know, willing to get down
to business.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I think it's it is an interesting party. You
talked about the Bushes, you talked about the Clintons and
the Obama's and that being kind of like a different
type of governing and Trump is I do believe different
because obviously we see r K in there, and like
I said, we see Tulca Gabbart, but we also see
Pete Hegseth and Pambondi, And it's an interesting group of
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people who don't necessarily they're not necessarily lifelong Republicans, they
are lifelong Americans. And it's a really different message than
we've seen in the past. And I think there are
a lot of people out there saying, well, how do
we continue this? Because Trump has four years? There is
no other Donald Trump. No matter what who you create
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or groom below him, there's no one that's going to
be Donald Trump again. So how do you keep this
swamp at bay. And I think one of the things
that you were covering was you're talking about AI and
you're talking about investment, you're talking about money coming in
from overseas. But I've also heard you talk about a
secure border. And as you talked about the workforce, it
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made me think about the importance of making sure that
people are treated right in this country, because we've heard
all of these folks on the left complaining, Oh, if
you shut the border, we won't have people to clean
our toilets and pick our vegetables and get our fruit
to the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I kind of I have to push back.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
On that a little bit, because if those people are needed,
a closed border allows us to make sure that the
right people are coming through and that they're also being
paid well, that they are being taken care of. If
you're being paid under the table, you're essentially slave labor.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's right, we're actually taking better care of the immigrants.
We need to close the border. We can't this whole
open border, open sanctuary. I live in San Francisco, so
this social science experiment has failed. Okay, I've been on TV.
Was one of the first people on TV to call
out the governance of California of San Francisco raising three
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teenagers here. During the whole FEDEROL crisis, there actually were
more drug users and drug dealers in San Francisco. It's
really hard to believe than there were high school students.
And there's something wrong with our society. Wow, and we
have to call that out. We've got to stop this insanity.
America first, family first, okay, and then now we have
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to get into the specifics of immigration. I'm not an
immigration lawyer or specialist, right, but there are certain visas.
There's the EB five visa, there is the H one
B visa. We have a visa for students. Yes, that
needs to be reform, so that way we put American
students first. We also have visas for farm workers. Right.
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And so when we have these arguments and talking head
on cable news such as MSNBC and CNN, they are
very reductive and oh you know, they're anti immigrants. It's like, okay,
big picture, you know, America is built on immigrants, but
hard working immigrants who went through the right process and
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is making a contribution. I am an example of that
who came through this country legally. We stood in line.
We came to this country. My parents are hard working.
They sent all five kids to university. I went to
Stanford University. I made a contribution in tech. And so
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now we have to look at the case of farm workers.
If we need more farm workers, there is a farm
working visa. We see how Spain and France have farm
worker visas. We have farm workers visa too. We can't
conflate open border sanctuary cities with the specific case of
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farm visa workers. We have a special carve out for that.
If we need workers for a special industry, let's have
a carve out for that and do it in a
very orderly fashion. As you know, when you're running a
business in manufacturing or supply chain, you can't have these
broad strokes and you can't say, like you know, everything
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is this or everything is that. Your business will fail,
your country will fail. We love all immigrants. Well, there
are legal immigrants and there are illegal immigrants. In that
illegal immigrants, there are violent criminals, and there is a
lot of them. And you know, manufacturing in the US
is very different from manufacturing in the US during the
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seventies and eighties, when a lot of these illegal immigrants
came in during the seventies and eighties, it was a
lot simpler. Now it's you know, a lot of it
is like computer science, so you have to be very technical,
you have to know English. And so we when we
have this influx of illegal immigrants and they can't actually
work in a factory because a lot of our factory
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jobs are gone, right, there's really nothing that they can do.
The easiest thing for them to do is to stand
in the streets of San Francisco. And there's a lot
of them selling fentanyl from the Mexican cartels to our children.
And so that's why we have more drug dealers and
users in San Francisco then there are high school students.
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So that is a very specific case in point. I
only know about that because I am a mom of
three teenagers. But we need to have people who understand
the specific and who can have these types of policy
discussions instead of using fear and hate and saying, oh,
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they just like hate brown and black people and all
these immigrants. It's like, no, we love immigrants this country.
We're all immigrants here, even the Native Americans. They came
here through the land bridged and so we love immigrants.
But we love legal, hard working immigrants.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. The depressing part about the fact
that we can't have people work in a bipartisan manner anymore,
because we have talked for decades about the need for
immigration reform, and what you're talking about is something that
could be very easily looked at by folks in the
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Senate if you had senators on either side of the aisle,
folks in the House come together and say, let's look
at what it would be to make sure that we
have the right amount of farm workers. Because having an
open border does not mean that you have, oh, all
of our farms are perfectly staffed with the right amount
of people. You can do that and still know who's
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in the country.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
These two things are not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You don't have to have an open border to have
people working that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
It just has to Life has changed, things are different.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Let's make sure the right pa people coming in and
we have a policy and a system that works for
people today.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You've also talked about.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Law and order a lot, and that is something that
has kind of been also something I mean, we certainly
see the anti ice people, the anti ICE people are.
That's a disaster, and that's a you see a lot
of conflict in California there, but you have also experienced,
especially in California, this idea that well, you're going to
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be able to steal up to one thousand dollars, we
don't actually have to have police involved.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
This has been a disaster.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
What happened. Grocery stores have closed down. There's hardly any
grocery stores left in San Francisco. In some of the
neighborhoods right like Hayes Valley, the last Safeway, the last
grocery store closed. And so there are unintended consequences to
these ultraliberal socialist ideas, and it is a social science
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experiment that has failed. We need to go back to
common sense. And it's really not that hard, but we
need I guess, like, when I hear you talk, see
you're going deep. So you have the stamina, whether it's
law and order or immigration. So let's really think about this,
and let's go through the logical consequences of hating on
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ICE and like being anti ICE, and let's have these
policies where you know, we feel so empathetic to the
criminals and to the illegal immigrants that we come up
with these policies that allow them to steal up to
one thousand dollars per transaction. Right, And so what happens
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now we get into the specific details which the liberal
lawmakers didn't think about because they didn't have that intellectual
stamina to like go through we have to actually sit down,
you know. It's like, oh, we come up with something
like just really quick, and it helps us get the vote,
and it's like, oh, it makes us feel good. Oh
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you know, it's like les miserrole. And it's like, you know,
if you're starving, of course you should have you know,
a bad get right, and like don't like go after
us and like throw us twenty years in jail. So,
I mean, these are some of the socialist ideas, the
Marxist ideas that help to come up with like the
liberal idealism. It is very seductive and that's how they
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talk to pull you into the swamp and you become
a swamp monster. But when we actually stand still and
think deeply and have that stamina to look at the
truth in the eye, the truth is very dangerous and
it will set you free. And the truth being that Okay,
what are the consequences of allowing someone to steal up
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to one thousand dollars? And technically it's a thousand dollars
at a time. So I can steal this for a
thousand and then I and I give it to this
guy who then puts it on eBay right as part
of a criminal syndicate. Then I come back in and
then I'm doing that all day long. So it's not
even a thousand dollars. It's like, so we are now
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we're awarding professional criminals. We're turning people and even students,
like young people as young as like ten or fourteen?
Why work? Why go to school? This is a first
principle of now economics, you know, the very basis of
human actions and intellect. So we need to think about
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first principles. There is the carrot and the stick, and
so there's a reward system. This is how human beings are.
So we're rewarding the young people, the people in California
to steal and not work. And this is the society
that we are encouraging. Is this what we want to do?
According to Gavin Newsom and some of the very liberal
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mayors and politicians in California. Yes, and they need to
be called out. This doesn't make any cut.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's also I remember AOC coming out and saying, you
have to understand, these people need to steal these high
end this high end merchandise. And I think this was
when Chicago, when the Magnificent Mile was just rated by
people who were stealing out of these high end stores.
And she said, they don't have enough bread for their
food at night, for their table at night. They have
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to be able to steal so they can sell it
so that they can buy bread. Meanwhile, I mean you
tie the way you're talking getting into the depth of this.
You know, people go, oh, who cares. Walgreens is a
big corporation and they'll continue. Well, first of all, Walgreens,
even as a big corporation, can only take so much.
So their stores have been closing across the country.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
But what about the mom and stores and they eloy
people pharmists, Yes, right, and so if you need drugs,
if you are on diabetic drug now you're driving ten
twenty miles away for your necessities.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So we have to go.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Really deep on that and not just like at that
superficial aocoh these you know, Ley Misrael. These people.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
You know, it sounds so good.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I mean, you're right when you hear it, that sounds like,
oh my gosh, you know that. That Why aren't we
taking care of these people?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
We're Americans, we're good Christian. Let's take care of the
less fortunate. But are they really less fortunate? Many of
them are making so much money. They're building mansions back
in Honduras and Guatemala, and uh, you know we're feeding
criminal enterprise. This isn't just small you know, mom.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You don't have any criminal enterprises.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Enterprise and they take so much stuff And there's a
van sitting in the parking lot and as soon as
they get it, they list it on eBay, on Amazon
or on Google. And big tech is complicit in this.
There's a whole eCos I think about that. Yeah, there's
a whole Like we really have to go very deep
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into this and is it really helping the dignity of
the poor?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So how do you I mean, this is your background,
Big tech is your background.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
How do you weed this out?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
If you have people who are i mean even Facebook,
Marketplace and all these that could be a place where
people are just stealing and selling other people's stuff, which
I hadn't really thought about, but now that you bring
it up, I'm sure that is happening.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It is. That's how they're making money because they're moving
so much stuff, and it's not just like one thousand
dollars to feed their family. They're just going in and out,
in and out. And kids I know who are as
young as fourteen. Why do we need to work, Why
do we need to go to school? Whatever we need,
we can just go and then we can like steal
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and then we could give it to this person, sell
it on eBay, give us the money. So that becomes
their reward system. So you know, it's a first principle
in terms of human behavior. You reward good behavior, you
punish bad behavior. And so now we've flipped it right,
So now we're rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior.
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So if you're good Christian family values, you are being punished.
In the state of California. Your life is miserable. Taxes
are really high. It's very difficult to raise high school students.
Kids here at the public school. We're using our money
to support the drug dealers, the drug users, the homeless.
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Fifty billion dollars for the homeless, and yet they've built
like a few houses. Where's all this money going? Yeah,
you know you really we need to have some investigative
reporters and forensic accountant to follow the money. I'm not
an expert in forensic accounting. I'm just a very practical
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PTA mom, right, But it's just like, look, this doesn't
make sense. Like my budget at the high school is
xyz and I'm able to take care of the students,
the bus driver, and you have fifty billion and you
can't even build three houses and we have more homeless
than ever before. Where there's somebody really going I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, that was ten years ago. It was in La
and La and San Francisco. They each had between three
and four hundred million that they put into homelessness.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That has just increased over time. So this is just
government jobs, government creating spaces for people to go.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But homelessness has gone up.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So how is this multiple hundreds of millions of dollars
being spent if.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think the homeless number continues to rise. But that's it.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So the government across the country, government is the biggest employer.
They take care of healthcare, they take care of infrastructure,
and now they're involved in energy and you talk about AI.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
This is something in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
The State of Michigan has said, well, maybe we can
be a haven for tech. There's opportunities for us to
have data centers and to I mean, we have all.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Of this land, so we have great idea like native
AI supply chain, native AI based manufacturing. You guys should
really look at that, right and with all the investments
coming in, do smart AI manufacturing. I could. That's now
that's my lane.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
But that's a huge opportunity. That is a huge opportunity
for the state of Michigan. The problem the state of
Michigan has is that in the Midwest, we have the
highest energy cost in the Midwest. So people look at
that and they go, oh, that doesn't those two things
don't marry together.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, why do you have that when like you're so
close to so I know, up in the.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Climate change, we got rid of all of our great energy.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well what about like LNG. There's like you know, since
we kind of invented horizontal shale drilling, there's a lot
of LNG. So you can look at like the Dakotas, and.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
You know, there are opportunities we canracking.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
There's a bad reputation with fracking, right, so you know,
but we have those opportunities here smart fracking. You're getting
very inexpensive energy and energy is very clean. How about
now I'm just riffing, right because like in the normer
of the.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Things that that's where we we need a government that
can come together with people like you who come into
the state and say, okay, where are our opportunities to
reduce costs to increase energy, because that, to me is
the key to getting more businesses into this state. The
state has a beautiful workforce. We have machine shops galore,
We have all of the the setup necessary to have
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incredibly effective manufacturing. But we just have this outrageous energy
costs and over regulation. But if you are I think it.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Is over regulation because this is in Michigan, the Dakotas,
the North. You're sitting on a lot of oil and
gas that you know, since horizontal drilling, you can drill
for oil and gas at a much cheaper price and
be very competitive with the Qatar, Russia. Some I know
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a little bit about this to be dangerous because I'm
from the state of Texas, West Texas, and I remember
like the tech, you know, the whole landscape change around
like twenty ten, twenty twelve with horizontal drilling. It got
a bad name and a lot of environmental regulation. I
guess the street name is fracking, right, and they're like, oh,
it's going to poison the water with like Michigan. You
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got flip Michigan and you know, so we have to
be very careful about that. But I think there are
very smart ways to do fracking and the filtering to
make sure that it doesn't affect the drinking water. And
so you have to be really smart with your regulation.
So and you're sitting on so much. You have like
the you know, the workforce, and you have to like
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really gear up for that because many of them are aging.
They are our national treasures and they need to train
the next generation. Now we have to get into the details,
like we're getting these huge contracts from the EU and Japan,
but like, do we have the manufacturing know how? I
would assume that many of these people in Michigan, they're
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probably in their fifties or sixties.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Right exactly. Our workforce is aging out. There's been this
demonization of manufacturing. Like you said at the beginning, when
you're saying, well, now that we don't have these tax on,
this tax on overtime, this makes our working class much stronger,
much more financially powerful.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
They become they become.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Kind of like the gems that are able to invest
into the economy rather than people who have been struggling.
Now they have a much higher soulid then the person
who's coming out of college with a massive amount of
college debt. So you have people that can go directly
into the workforce and make a good salary, and now
with overtime, they can be making much more than the
average person. But those people are aging out. So we
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have to reset the mindset of everybody has to go
to college, and everybody has to have an office job,
because some people are much better in an environment where
you're not sitting at desk all day, where you're making
something that is Some people's minds just work that way
and you can make a lot of money doing it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's not the dirty job.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
More and sometimes more money, but it is. We have
to think about this holistic. We have to look at
the energy situation and also the environmental regulation Oh, we
need to save the environment. Oh that's bad for drinking water.
So yes, that happened in maybe late twenty ten, twenty
twelve when the technology just came out. And oftentimes that's
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with technology cycles. When nuclear energy nuclear power came out,
it was very unstabed, remember like all the situations during
like the seventies, eighties or novel But now like nuclear
is coming back because we've learned ways to contain it
to really make it more efficient, more safe. I believe
it's the same. And I'm not an expert with horizontal drilling,
(29:18):
shill horizontal drilling or fracking, right, And so sometimes we
have the socialist liberal and they just get hung up
on an idea, got to save the planet. Oh that's
bad for the drinking it's bad for the environment. Well
what about the people?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Okay, So also, we're all on the same globe, so
you'd rather have it done in China. They're just they're
just ignoring the fact that it's actually still being done.
You're not manufacturing here. The money is all going to China.
They are one of the biggest I think they are
the biggest polluter in the world.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
We're all living on the same world.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Wouldn't you rather the manufacturing be done here where we're
constantly making it cleaner, we're constantly watching now we're affecting
the environment.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, I love your thought process. We need more people
like that in office. You know, these types of discussions
where you have to have the intellectual stamina and not
just start calling names or saying, oh, you're a polluter.
You're just you know, you don't care, you don't care
about the environment it is. You know, in fact, we
are all humans, we're all living here. And yes, we
(30:23):
made mistakes maybe with like fracking early on there were
like a few instances and the companies now learn from that.
But hey, it's the same thing with social media, right,
and so just because many of those companies were on
the right, they were demonized. Have we really demonized social
media that much? I mean, look at when social media
(30:44):
came out and like all the stuff with anxiety, the
anxious generation. Right, this is part of the technology cycle
where when we come out with like new things, there
are unexpected consequences. But we allow Facebook to get better
and to make apologies. I don't know if they're doing
the best job on that. There needs to be maybe
(31:07):
you know, a little bit more filtering of some of
the social media stuff, especially with you know, young children,
so not to cause anxiety and depression. But why can't
we extend that to the oil and gas and coal energy.
Why is that like, oh, they made some mistakes and
so why are they paying the price for their ancestors
(31:29):
like back in twenty ten and twenty twelve. I mean,
I'm not from that industry, but it's so weird.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, you make such a great point, because we we
I think unless you've lived it, and I think this
is part of the problem, because you have a bunch
of the young activists are very young, straight out of
college and we're still in college. So they have not
worked in industry by any means, and some of them
will never work in industry. But unless you've been in
a factory and you've seen, Okay, we're constantly changing how
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we do things. We have desk collectors, we have this
of these environmental masks. We're protecting people and we're protecting
the environment in ways that you can't see any place ELTs.
But the thing is that the manufacturing process doesn't stop
because you don't do it in Michigan doesn't mean that
it's not being manufactured. It's being manufactured overseas in a
(32:18):
much worse environment. When don't you prefer to see it
here where we know how to do it safely. And
that's something that is a re education, that is it is.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Hard to do.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But I think that the American people are seeing that
because of Donald Trump speaking in a different way. But
to go to your point at the beginning, unless you
can continue to have politicians who are not lifelong politicians
who have not been affected by the swamp and Donald
Trump is unique in the fact that he doesn't have
to fund raise. He can go out there and he
can use his own money, but he also has these
(32:49):
small dollar donations because people just believe in him. That's
a very unique situation. So we need to keep doing that.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
To fix the problem. Yea, I think it really started
with Bill Clinton, who I did vote for, but I
didn't understand because I was a teenager that's when I
was first able to vote. And I do think it
was these deals with the you know that was made
at the World Economic Forum, and back then, the you know,
these traditional industries didn't have a good lobbyist, you see,
(33:21):
like Mark Zuckerberg. I'm actually at mar A Lago quite
often and now in d C. I mean I saw
when I was doing the the my Indo Pacific Conference,
I actually saw him there, you know, walking around waiting
for Donald Trump. So they're very active, and so, you know,
I think a lot of the issues that and I'm
hypothesizing because I don't come from this world. I think Michigan,
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a lot of the rust belt state was sold out
by Bill Clinton and then reinforced by Obama and Biden
and offshore to China, to other countries just as a deal,
you know, and they were supported heavily financially. You know,
(34:06):
they had their own deal and also Bush too, you know.
And like I say, when you go back selling out
of the Americans working class, you know, uh Main Street
America for uh the Chinese investment into Wall Street companies.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. A lot of this was the
lack of deep thinking about, Okay, if you do this,
what are the consequences of this, what are the ultimate
effects of that? And that is that you shut down
an entire section of the country.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
That is the menu. And then we were the manufacturing giants.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
But well, why aren't you doing that with Facebook? You
know they were caught red handed. You were caught red handed, okay,
with what you were doing with the teenage girls. And
that girl who worked at face books, she called you
out on sixteen minutes. Okay, then you were caught red handed.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Because we don't have money. Mental health issues make them money.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, we don't see. You know the US government offshoring
Facebook or Google?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And so why are we offshoring American manufacturing because of
this and that? But now like we have better technology,
we have like the rubbers.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
That's the seduction of it all, because if you have
if you have health care issues, if you have mental
health issues, you have health care issues, and then you
can sell. We need to have free health care for all,
health care for all that. Look at what's happening. These
kids are more depressed than they've ever been. We need
health care for all. That's our solution. It's not that
we're going to look at what's the causing the problem.
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It's that we have to come up.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
We have to add some I mean, it's just like
anything else.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's like, oh, well this medication is causing you this,
let's add this medication on to fix it. That's how
the government is like, we've created this problem, let's add
another problem. Let's add another problem I've and nobody's stepping
back and saying, I mean, it's the same with the
old exporter.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
What's the real problem. They get back to common sense
first principle, whether it's uh, like, how do we raise
our families in a safe way where they'll learn and
be a good Americans and with the principles of American
creativity and entrepreneurship and not raise a generation that's anxious
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and we're rewarding them to steal, lie and do drugs.
You know, what are American values? We need to be
in alignment with that. And you know that's why I
became a Trump Republican because uh, and I you know,
and I haven't changed. People are like, oh, did you change?
Alison's like, no, I'm I'm exactly the same person I was.
(36:47):
But he's just now, uh, you know, he talks the
talk of Obama, he talks the talk of Clinton.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's interesting. Actual he has that swagger where people are
kind of following what he's doing, but it's not it's
not just a swag or we're seeing results, and that's
that's where I say, gosh, we have four years to
show results and to really get people on board, and
people like you are helping us.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Thank you for coming on today, Alison. When where can
people follow you and find out what you're doing next?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah? So I'm on Twitter, Instagram at aliwinn a, l
o I, h u I and h awesome.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It's been a pleasure talking to you to you today.
Thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
On, Thanks for having me tutor.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Absolutely, and thank you all for joining us on the podcast.
To make sure you go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot
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Speaker 2 (37:48):
Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So, every now and
again a Democrat decides they are going to step into
that independent world. And we've seen that with Tulsea Gabbard
who is now in the administration.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We've seen that with.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
A couple of other high profile Democrats. But some people
behind the scenes are doing that too, and so I'm
glad to say that today we have Alison Wynn with us.
She is a child refugee from Vietnam and she turned
into a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, a venture capitalist, and then
became a fundraiser for former President Barack Obama. But now
(00:35):
she's joined the world of the independence. Allison, thank you
for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thanks for having me here, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So tell us what I mean. I've read this article
that you have all this like democrat like these historical
things JFK's chair, President Obama painting all of the stuff,
and you're like, you know what, I feel like, it
wasn't it didn't go the direction I expected.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So kind of break that down for us.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yes, I was a very idealistic kid. I grew up
from a war torn country, lived the American dream, became
part of the whole kind of Google, rise to dominance,
really believe in the idea of do know evil, and
then got really disillusion with Google seeing how the sausage
was made. Also, you know, went on the Obama bandwagon
(01:23):
as well, hope and inspiring young people, people of color.
He talked the talk, it was very much like Martin
Luther King, but when it came to walking the walk,
his politics were racially divisive. And I'm a very big
anti war proponent, much like President Trump. Of course, through
(01:44):
strength and we had more wars, we had more international
conflicts trying to topple all these regimes. This is exactly
what I'm against. What happened, what happened to peace, hope, prosperity.
So he was just another Bush Cheney puppet. And I
don't really blame him or Bill Clinton. They talk beautifully,
(02:06):
they're very charming, charismatic, but they are not hands on.
They don't have the skill set. And as an entrepreneur
in Silicon Valley engineering and science background, to be a CEO,
to be a successful investor, you have to think big,
you have to dream big, but you also have to
be very specific. Obama and Clinton's they were just professional
(02:29):
politicians and dreamers. They didn't know how to actually get
things done. I do believe the deep state just hijacked them,
and then they became part of the deep state themselves,
because that's the universe that they inhabit. They themselves were
criticizing the swamp, but because they didn't know another real world,
(02:50):
they became a swamp monster themselves.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You know, it's interesting that you say that, because I
think I've told this story on here before. But when
I was deciding whether or not I would run for office,
I was going around, I was talking to some of
the local elected officials and state elected officials, and I
walked into one of the leadership people's offices and we
sat down. We talked for a long time, and we
(03:13):
had both been in manufacturing, and so I was new
to this and I had it just sounds like you.
You know, I had this view of it was good
people that wanted to serve that walked in and they
decided that they would run for office. And running for
office was this a service? A service you wanted to
provide a service to other people. And as I walked
out of his office, he looked up at me and
(03:35):
he said, don't let it seduce you. And I remember thinking, oh,
that's a really gross thing to say. I and I
had no idea what he meant because I had not
been in this world. But exactly what you've just said,
it's like this, this swamp comes to you and not oh,
you could do this and you could help us out here.
And that's even the dark money and the super packs
(03:57):
and all of these things that the amount of money
in the political industry is so hard to not be
jocking for that. You are, oh, just compromise here, just
compromise there, and then suddenly you're lost. And I think
that's what he meant by that statement exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's part of the swamp, the metaphorical and actually literal swamp,
especially during the summer during DC. It's very human. I
just came from there, and a lot of it is
paid to play, and I refuse personally to be compromised.
And it seems like you are as well, because we
(04:34):
are builders, you and manufacturing me and tech so and
President Trump as well, because let's remember he's a builder
from Queens, New York. He knows how to talk to
the plumbers, the electricians, the craft people, and so he's
the first one, I mean, I've met him personally, and
he's the first one in and he talks to everybody
(04:56):
on the ground floor. I think that came from his dad, Fred, right,
And so that's how you minimize the swamp. You actually
outwork them and you just become so productive. That's really
the spirit of American innovation and entrepreneurship. That's why we
have all these innovation, whether it's the railroad, the car,
(05:19):
the the telephone, the Internet, AI, a lot of the
great American blockchain that we're trying to push offshore. Now
we're on shoring many of these companies. So I'm really
excited that we have a president and hopefully getting more
people and hopefully we can seduce you back to running
(05:40):
for office, tutor, because we need more doers and builders
in this country who can communicate and think big, but
who can actually do things and be very specific with
the way they communicate. And so we look at President
Trump's policies, promise has made and promises kept right with
(06:02):
the Big Beautiful Bill, he talked about taking care of
his base, the working class specifically, what does that mean, Well,
then that translates to no taxes on tips, on overtime.
That's what the working class is all about also uniting
the investor class, right, extending a lot of those twenty
sixteen Jobs Act for the light industrial investments. The vehicles
(06:28):
that many of these small medium sized businesses have, you know,
part of the opportunity zones if you have like a
light industrial truck aircraft for hauling stuff around. These are
like the specifics of running a business to really jumpstart
our economy manufacturing here in the US. And also all
(06:51):
these wonderful trade deals. Now we have seven fifty billion
dollars from the EU coming into the US, five point
fifty billion from pan alone. I brought in a small
amount sixty four billion from the country of Vietnam, and
I'm helping with like some small, you know investments a small,
medium sized country that was war torn. But you know,
(07:12):
Vietnam is doing what it can to really be a
great ally of the United States. And you know President
Trump knows how to do these deals and align everyone's interest.
So it's a win win. It's easy to say this,
but the devil is in the details, right to like,
(07:32):
wake up really early, be a deal junkie, look at
all the details. I mean, you know, with manufacturing, it's
all about the supply chain. It's all about your workforce,
so you have to want to be curious about that
and get all the ducks in a row. And you know,
it's not that hard at the end of the day.
But we just have a president and hopefully a party
(07:55):
in charge that is, you know, willing to get down
to business.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I think it's it is an interesting party. You
talked about the Bushes, you talked about the Clintons and
the Obama's and that being kind of like a different
type of governing and Trump is I do believe different
because obviously we see r K in there, and like
I said, we see Tulca Gabbart, but we also see
Pete Hegseth and Pambondi, And it's an interesting group of
(08:23):
people who don't necessarily they're not necessarily lifelong Republicans, they
are lifelong Americans. And it's a really different message than
we've seen in the past. And I think there are
a lot of people out there saying, well, how do
we continue this? Because Trump has four years? There is
no other Donald Trump. No matter what who you create
(08:45):
or groom below him, there's no one that's going to
be Donald Trump again. So how do you keep this
swamp at bay. And I think one of the things
that you were covering was you're talking about AI and
you're talking about investment, you're talking about money coming in
from overseas. But I've also heard you talk about a
secure border. And as you talked about the workforce, it
(09:05):
made me think about the importance of making sure that
people are treated right in this country, because we've heard
all of these folks on the left complaining, Oh, if
you shut the border, we won't have people to clean
our toilets and pick our vegetables and get our fruit
to the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I kind of I have to push back.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
On that a little bit, because if those people are needed,
a closed border allows us to make sure that the
right people are coming through and that they're also being
paid well, that they are being taken care of. If
you're being paid under the table, you're essentially slave labor.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's right, we're actually taking better care of the immigrants.
We need to close the border. We can't this whole
open border, open sanctuary. I live in San Francisco, so
this social science experiment has failed. Okay, I've been on TV.
Was one of the first people on TV to call
out the governance of California of San Francisco raising three
(10:05):
teenagers here. During the whole FEDEROL crisis, there actually were
more drug users and drug dealers in San Francisco. It's
really hard to believe than there were high school students.
And there's something wrong with our society. Wow, and we
have to call that out. We've got to stop this insanity.
America first, family first, okay, and then now we have
(10:27):
to get into the specifics of immigration. I'm not an
immigration lawyer or specialist, right, but there are certain visas.
There's the EB five visa, there is the H one
B visa. We have a visa for students. Yes, that
needs to be reform, so that way we put American
students first. We also have visas for farm workers. Right.
(10:50):
And so when we have these arguments and talking head
on cable news such as MSNBC and CNN, they are
very reductive and oh you know, they're anti immigrants. It's like, okay,
big picture, you know, America is built on immigrants, but
hard working immigrants who went through the right process and
(11:12):
is making a contribution. I am an example of that
who came through this country legally. We stood in line.
We came to this country. My parents are hard working.
They sent all five kids to university. I went to
Stanford University. I made a contribution in tech. And so
(11:33):
now we have to look at the case of farm workers.
If we need more farm workers, there is a farm
working visa. We see how Spain and France have farm
worker visas. We have farm workers visa too. We can't
conflate open border sanctuary cities with the specific case of
(11:55):
farm visa workers. We have a special carve out for that.
If we need workers for a special industry, let's have
a carve out for that and do it in a
very orderly fashion. As you know, when you're running a
business in manufacturing or supply chain, you can't have these
broad strokes and you can't say, like you know, everything
(12:17):
is this or everything is that. Your business will fail,
your country will fail. We love all immigrants. Well, there
are legal immigrants and there are illegal immigrants. In that
illegal immigrants, there are violent criminals, and there is a
lot of them. And you know, manufacturing in the US
is very different from manufacturing in the US during the
(12:41):
seventies and eighties, when a lot of these illegal immigrants
came in during the seventies and eighties, it was a
lot simpler. Now it's you know, a lot of it
is like computer science, so you have to be very technical,
you have to know English. And so we when we
have this influx of illegal immigrants and they can't actually
work in a factory because a lot of our factory
(13:03):
jobs are gone, right, there's really nothing that they can do.
The easiest thing for them to do is to stand
in the streets of San Francisco. And there's a lot
of them selling fentanyl from the Mexican cartels to our children.
And so that's why we have more drug dealers and
users in San Francisco then there are high school students.
(13:26):
So that is a very specific case in point. I
only know about that because I am a mom of
three teenagers. But we need to have people who understand
the specific and who can have these types of policy
discussions instead of using fear and hate and saying, oh,
(13:48):
they just like hate brown and black people and all
these immigrants. It's like, no, we love immigrants this country.
We're all immigrants here, even the Native Americans. They came
here through the land bridged and so we love immigrants.
But we love legal, hard working immigrants.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. The depressing part about the fact
that we can't have people work in a bipartisan manner anymore,
because we have talked for decades about the need for
immigration reform, and what you're talking about is something that
could be very easily looked at by folks in the
(14:28):
Senate if you had senators on either side of the aisle,
folks in the House come together and say, let's look
at what it would be to make sure that we
have the right amount of farm workers. Because having an
open border does not mean that you have, oh, all
of our farms are perfectly staffed with the right amount
of people. You can do that and still know who's
(14:48):
in the country.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
These two things are not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You don't have to have an open border to have
people working that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
It just has to Life has changed, things are different.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Let's make sure the right pa people coming in and
we have a policy and a system that works for
people today.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You've also talked about.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Law and order a lot, and that is something that
has kind of been also something I mean, we certainly
see the anti ice people, the anti ICE people are.
That's a disaster, and that's a you see a lot
of conflict in California there, but you have also experienced,
especially in California, this idea that well, you're going to
(15:29):
be able to steal up to one thousand dollars, we
don't actually have to have police involved.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
This has been a disaster.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
What happened. Grocery stores have closed down. There's hardly any
grocery stores left in San Francisco. In some of the
neighborhoods right like Hayes Valley, the last Safeway, the last
grocery store closed. And so there are unintended consequences to
these ultraliberal socialist ideas, and it is a social science
(15:59):
experiment that has failed. We need to go back to
common sense. And it's really not that hard, but we
need I guess, like, when I hear you talk, see
you're going deep. So you have the stamina, whether it's
law and order or immigration. So let's really think about this,
and let's go through the logical consequences of hating on
(16:23):
ICE and like being anti ICE, and let's have these
policies where you know, we feel so empathetic to the
criminals and to the illegal immigrants that we come up
with these policies that allow them to steal up to
one thousand dollars per transaction. Right, And so what happens
(16:47):
now we get into the specific details which the liberal
lawmakers didn't think about because they didn't have that intellectual
stamina to like go through we have to actually sit down,
you know. It's like, oh, we come up with something
like just really quick, and it helps us get the vote,
and it's like, oh, it makes us feel good. Oh
(17:07):
you know, it's like les miserrole. And it's like, you know,
if you're starving, of course you should have you know,
a bad get right, and like don't like go after
us and like throw us twenty years in jail. So,
I mean, these are some of the socialist ideas, the
Marxist ideas that help to come up with like the
liberal idealism. It is very seductive and that's how they
(17:31):
talk to pull you into the swamp and you become
a swamp monster. But when we actually stand still and
think deeply and have that stamina to look at the
truth in the eye, the truth is very dangerous and
it will set you free. And the truth being that Okay,
what are the consequences of allowing someone to steal up
(17:53):
to one thousand dollars? And technically it's a thousand dollars
at a time. So I can steal this for a
thousand and then I and I give it to this
guy who then puts it on eBay right as part
of a criminal syndicate. Then I come back in and
then I'm doing that all day long. So it's not
even a thousand dollars. It's like, so we are now
(18:13):
we're awarding professional criminals. We're turning people and even students,
like young people as young as like ten or fourteen?
Why work? Why go to school? This is a first
principle of now economics, you know, the very basis of
human actions and intellect. So we need to think about
(18:35):
first principles. There is the carrot and the stick, and
so there's a reward system. This is how human beings are.
So we're rewarding the young people, the people in California
to steal and not work. And this is the society
that we are encouraging. Is this what we want to do?
According to Gavin Newsom and some of the very liberal
(18:58):
mayors and politicians in California. Yes, and they need to
be called out. This doesn't make any cut.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's also I remember AOC coming out and saying, you
have to understand, these people need to steal these high
end this high end merchandise. And I think this was
when Chicago, when the Magnificent Mile was just rated by
people who were stealing out of these high end stores.
And she said, they don't have enough bread for their
food at night, for their table at night. They have
(19:26):
to be able to steal so they can sell it
so that they can buy bread. Meanwhile, I mean you
tie the way you're talking getting into the depth of this.
You know, people go, oh, who cares. Walgreens is a
big corporation and they'll continue. Well, first of all, Walgreens,
even as a big corporation, can only take so much.
So their stores have been closing across the country.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
But what about the mom and stores and they eloy
people pharmists, Yes, right, and so if you need drugs,
if you are on diabetic drug now you're driving ten
twenty miles away for your necessities.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So we have to go.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Really deep on that and not just like at that
superficial aocoh these you know, Ley Misrael. These people.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
You know, it sounds so good.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I mean, you're right when you hear it, that sounds like,
oh my gosh, you know that. That Why aren't we
taking care of these people?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
We're Americans, we're good Christian. Let's take care of the
less fortunate. But are they really less fortunate? Many of
them are making so much money. They're building mansions back
in Honduras and Guatemala, and uh, you know we're feeding
criminal enterprise. This isn't just small you know, mom.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You don't have any criminal enterprises.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Enterprise and they take so much stuff And there's a
van sitting in the parking lot and as soon as
they get it, they list it on eBay, on Amazon
or on Google. And big tech is complicit in this.
There's a whole eCos I think about that. Yeah, there's
a whole Like we really have to go very deep
(21:08):
into this and is it really helping the dignity of
the poor?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So how do you I mean, this is your background,
Big tech is your background.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
How do you weed this out?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
If you have people who are i mean even Facebook,
Marketplace and all these that could be a place where
people are just stealing and selling other people's stuff, which
I hadn't really thought about, but now that you bring
it up, I'm sure that is happening.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It is. That's how they're making money because they're moving
so much stuff, and it's not just like one thousand
dollars to feed their family. They're just going in and out,
in and out. And kids I know who are as
young as fourteen. Why do we need to work, Why
do we need to go to school? Whatever we need,
we can just go and then we can like steal
(21:55):
and then we could give it to this person, sell
it on eBay, give us the money. So that becomes
their reward system. So you know, it's a first principle
in terms of human behavior. You reward good behavior, you
punish bad behavior. And so now we've flipped it right,
So now we're rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior.
(22:20):
So if you're good Christian family values, you are being punished.
In the state of California. Your life is miserable. Taxes
are really high. It's very difficult to raise high school students.
Kids here at the public school. We're using our money
to support the drug dealers, the drug users, the homeless.
(22:42):
Fifty billion dollars for the homeless, and yet they've built
like a few houses. Where's all this money going? Yeah,
you know you really we need to have some investigative
reporters and forensic accountant to follow the money. I'm not
an expert in forensic accounting. I'm just a very practical
(23:02):
PTA mom, right, But it's just like, look, this doesn't
make sense. Like my budget at the high school is
xyz and I'm able to take care of the students,
the bus driver, and you have fifty billion and you
can't even build three houses and we have more homeless
than ever before. Where there's somebody really going I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, that was ten years ago. It was in La
and La and San Francisco. They each had between three
and four hundred million that they put into homelessness.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That has just increased over time. So this is just
government jobs, government creating spaces for people to go.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But homelessness has gone up.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So how is this multiple hundreds of millions of dollars
being spent if.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think the homeless number continues to rise. But that's it.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So the government across the country, government is the biggest employer.
They take care of healthcare, they take care of infrastructure,
and now they're involved in energy and you talk about AI.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
This is something in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
The State of Michigan has said, well, maybe we can
be a haven for tech. There's opportunities for us to
have data centers and to I mean, we have all.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Of this land, so we have great idea like native
AI supply chain, native AI based manufacturing. You guys should
really look at that, right and with all the investments
coming in, do smart AI manufacturing. I could. That's now
that's my lane.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
But that's a huge opportunity. That is a huge opportunity
for the state of Michigan. The problem the state of
Michigan has is that in the Midwest, we have the
highest energy cost in the Midwest. So people look at
that and they go, oh, that doesn't those two things
don't marry together.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, why do you have that when like you're so
close to so I know, up in the.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Climate change, we got rid of all of our great energy.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well what about like LNG. There's like you know, since
we kind of invented horizontal shale drilling, there's a lot
of LNG. So you can look at like the Dakotas, and.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
You know, there are opportunities we canracking.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
There's a bad reputation with fracking, right, so you know,
but we have those opportunities here smart fracking. You're getting
very inexpensive energy and energy is very clean. How about
now I'm just riffing, right because like in the normer
of the.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Things that that's where we we need a government that
can come together with people like you who come into
the state and say, okay, where are our opportunities to
reduce costs to increase energy, because that, to me is
the key to getting more businesses into this state. The
state has a beautiful workforce. We have machine shops galore,
We have all of the the setup necessary to have
(25:54):
incredibly effective manufacturing. But we just have this outrageous energy
costs and over regulation. But if you are I think it.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Is over regulation because this is in Michigan, the Dakotas,
the North. You're sitting on a lot of oil and
gas that you know, since horizontal drilling, you can drill
for oil and gas at a much cheaper price and
be very competitive with the Qatar, Russia. Some I know
(26:23):
a little bit about this to be dangerous because I'm
from the state of Texas, West Texas, and I remember
like the tech, you know, the whole landscape change around
like twenty ten, twenty twelve with horizontal drilling. It got
a bad name and a lot of environmental regulation. I
guess the street name is fracking, right, and they're like, oh,
it's going to poison the water with like Michigan. You
(26:47):
got flip Michigan and you know, so we have to
be very careful about that. But I think there are
very smart ways to do fracking and the filtering to
make sure that it doesn't affect the drinking water. And
so you have to be really smart with your regulation.
So and you're sitting on so much. You have like
the you know, the workforce, and you have to like
(27:08):
really gear up for that because many of them are aging.
They are our national treasures and they need to train
the next generation. Now we have to get into the details,
like we're getting these huge contracts from the EU and Japan,
but like, do we have the manufacturing know how? I
would assume that many of these people in Michigan, they're
(27:30):
probably in their fifties or sixties.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Right exactly. Our workforce is aging out. There's been this
demonization of manufacturing. Like you said at the beginning, when
you're saying, well, now that we don't have these tax on,
this tax on overtime, this makes our working class much stronger,
much more financially powerful.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
They become they become.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Kind of like the gems that are able to invest
into the economy rather than people who have been struggling.
Now they have a much higher soulid then the person
who's coming out of college with a massive amount of
college debt. So you have people that can go directly
into the workforce and make a good salary, and now
with overtime, they can be making much more than the
average person. But those people are aging out. So we
(28:15):
have to reset the mindset of everybody has to go
to college, and everybody has to have an office job,
because some people are much better in an environment where
you're not sitting at desk all day, where you're making
something that is Some people's minds just work that way
and you can make a lot of money doing it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's not the dirty job.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
More and sometimes more money, but it is. We have
to think about this holistic. We have to look at
the energy situation and also the environmental regulation Oh, we
need to save the environment. Oh that's bad for drinking water.
So yes, that happened in maybe late twenty ten, twenty
twelve when the technology just came out. And oftentimes that's
(28:54):
with technology cycles. When nuclear energy nuclear power came out,
it was very unstabed, remember like all the situations during
like the seventies, eighties or novel But now like nuclear
is coming back because we've learned ways to contain it
to really make it more efficient, more safe. I believe
it's the same. And I'm not an expert with horizontal drilling,
(29:18):
shill horizontal drilling or fracking, right, And so sometimes we
have the socialist liberal and they just get hung up
on an idea, got to save the planet. Oh that's
bad for the drinking it's bad for the environment. Well
what about the people?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Okay, So also, we're all on the same globe, so
you'd rather have it done in China. They're just they're
just ignoring the fact that it's actually still being done.
You're not manufacturing here. The money is all going to China.
They are one of the biggest I think they are
the biggest polluter in the world.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
We're all living on the same world.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Wouldn't you rather the manufacturing be done here where we're
constantly making it cleaner, we're constantly watching now we're affecting
the environment.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, I love your thought process. We need more people
like that in office. You know, these types of discussions
where you have to have the intellectual stamina and not
just start calling names or saying, oh, you're a polluter.
You're just you know, you don't care, you don't care
about the environment it is. You know, in fact, we
are all humans, we're all living here. And yes, we
(30:23):
made mistakes maybe with like fracking early on there were
like a few instances and the companies now learn from that.
But hey, it's the same thing with social media, right,
and so just because many of those companies were on
the right, they were demonized. Have we really demonized social
media that much? I mean, look at when social media
(30:44):
came out and like all the stuff with anxiety, the
anxious generation. Right, this is part of the technology cycle
where when we come out with like new things, there
are unexpected consequences. But we allow Facebook to get better
and to make apologies. I don't know if they're doing
the best job on that. There needs to be maybe
(31:07):
you know, a little bit more filtering of some of
the social media stuff, especially with you know, young children,
so not to cause anxiety and depression. But why can't
we extend that to the oil and gas and coal energy.
Why is that like, oh, they made some mistakes and
so why are they paying the price for their ancestors
(31:29):
like back in twenty ten and twenty twelve. I mean,
I'm not from that industry, but it's so weird.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, you make such a great point, because we we
I think unless you've lived it, and I think this
is part of the problem, because you have a bunch
of the young activists are very young, straight out of
college and we're still in college. So they have not
worked in industry by any means, and some of them
will never work in industry. But unless you've been in
a factory and you've seen, Okay, we're constantly changing how
(31:57):
we do things. We have desk collectors, we have this
of these environmental masks. We're protecting people and we're protecting
the environment in ways that you can't see any place ELTs.
But the thing is that the manufacturing process doesn't stop
because you don't do it in Michigan doesn't mean that
it's not being manufactured. It's being manufactured overseas in a
(32:18):
much worse environment. When don't you prefer to see it
here where we know how to do it safely. And
that's something that is a re education, that is it is.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Hard to do.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But I think that the American people are seeing that
because of Donald Trump speaking in a different way. But
to go to your point at the beginning, unless you
can continue to have politicians who are not lifelong politicians
who have not been affected by the swamp and Donald
Trump is unique in the fact that he doesn't have
to fund raise. He can go out there and he
can use his own money, but he also has these
(32:49):
small dollar donations because people just believe in him. That's
a very unique situation. So we need to keep doing that.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
To fix the problem. Yea, I think it really started
with Bill Clinton, who I did vote for, but I
didn't understand because I was a teenager that's when I
was first able to vote. And I do think it
was these deals with the you know that was made
at the World Economic Forum, and back then, the you know,
these traditional industries didn't have a good lobbyist, you see,
(33:21):
like Mark Zuckerberg. I'm actually at mar A Lago quite
often and now in d C. I mean I saw
when I was doing the the my Indo Pacific Conference,
I actually saw him there, you know, walking around waiting
for Donald Trump. So they're very active, and so, you know,
I think a lot of the issues that and I'm
hypothesizing because I don't come from this world. I think Michigan,
(33:44):
a lot of the rust belt state was sold out
by Bill Clinton and then reinforced by Obama and Biden
and offshore to China, to other countries just as a deal,
you know, and they were supported heavily financially. You know,
(34:06):
they had their own deal and also Bush too, you know.
And like I say, when you go back selling out
of the Americans working class, you know, uh Main Street
America for uh the Chinese investment into Wall Street companies.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. A lot of this was the
lack of deep thinking about, Okay, if you do this,
what are the consequences of this, what are the ultimate
effects of that? And that is that you shut down
an entire section of the country.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
That is the menu. And then we were the manufacturing giants.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
But well, why aren't you doing that with Facebook? You
know they were caught red handed. You were caught red handed, okay,
with what you were doing with the teenage girls. And
that girl who worked at face books, she called you
out on sixteen minutes. Okay, then you were caught red handed.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Because we don't have money. Mental health issues make them money.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, we don't see. You know the US government offshoring
Facebook or Google?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And so why are we offshoring American manufacturing because of
this and that? But now like we have better technology,
we have like the rubbers.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
That's the seduction of it all, because if you have
if you have health care issues, if you have mental
health issues, you have health care issues, and then you
can sell. We need to have free health care for all,
health care for all that. Look at what's happening. These
kids are more depressed than they've ever been. We need
health care for all. That's our solution. It's not that
we're going to look at what's the causing the problem.
(35:43):
It's that we have to come up.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
We have to add some I mean, it's just like
anything else.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's like, oh, well this medication is causing you this,
let's add this medication on to fix it. That's how
the government is like, we've created this problem, let's add
another problem. Let's add another problem I've and nobody's stepping
back and saying, I mean, it's the same with the
old exporter.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
What's the real problem. They get back to common sense
first principle, whether it's uh, like, how do we raise
our families in a safe way where they'll learn and
be a good Americans and with the principles of American
creativity and entrepreneurship and not raise a generation that's anxious
(36:25):
and we're rewarding them to steal, lie and do drugs.
You know, what are American values? We need to be
in alignment with that. And you know that's why I
became a Trump Republican because uh, and I you know,
and I haven't changed. People are like, oh, did you change?
Alison's like, no, I'm I'm exactly the same person I was.
(36:47):
But he's just now, uh, you know, he talks the
talk of Obama, he talks the talk of Clinton.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's interesting. Actual he has that swagger where people are
kind of following what he's doing, but it's not it's
not just a swag or we're seeing results, and that's
that's where I say, gosh, we have four years to
show results and to really get people on board, and
people like you are helping us.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Thank you for coming on today, Alison. When where can
people follow you and find out what you're doing next?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah? So I'm on Twitter, Instagram at aliwinn a, l
o I, h u I and h awesome.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It's been a pleasure talking to you to you today.
Thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
On, Thanks for having me tutor.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Absolutely, and thank you all for joining us on the podcast.
To make sure you go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot
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Speaker 2 (37:48):
Have a blessed day.
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