August 19, 2025 • 51 mins
In this episode of Wellness Unmasked, Dr. Nicole Saphier examines the leaked HHS strategy to combat rising childhood obesity, diabetes, and mental health challenges. She argues the plan lacks structure and overlooks the root causes of chronic illness in children—such as poor nutrition, sedentary lifestyles, and over-reliance on medical interventions. Dr. Saphier also raises red flags about data privacy risks tied to wearable technology, while stressing the importance of addressing vaccine injuries, advancing autism research, and prioritizing effective food, nutrition, and mental health initiatives. The discussion concludes with a call for stronger, action-driven policies to safeguard the future of children’s health. Wellness Unmasked is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Wellness on Mass. I'm doctor Nicole Sapphire
and I am fresh back from Scotland where I was
vacationing with my family. If you've never been to Scotland,
this was our first time, let me tell you it
was lovely. You have to kind of like being outdoors.
If you're not an outdoors person, maybe it's not for you.
But we had an amazing time about seven hour flight home,
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which gave me ample time to read through the eight
pages of the elite Make Our Children Healthy Again strategy
plan that came out of the AHHS, so I thought
that maybe we'd sit down and go through it. For decades,
we have watched rising rates of childhood obesity, diabetes, mental
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health struggles, and preventable chronic illness. Just in gen and
behind the politics, behind the headlines and behind the spin,
there is really a generation of kids who are suffering
and they deserve better. About this five years ago in
my first book, Make America Healthy Again, adults are sick,
but our kids are even sicker, and they're starting out
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getting sick younger and younger, so by the time they're
our age, they're going to be worse off than we are.
So that's why I thought it was really important to
break down this big strategy that is coming out of
the RFK Junior AHHS. Remember there was an executive order
by President Trump earlier this year to the AHHS Secretary
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RFK Junior, saying, I want to see what your plan is.
What are we going to do to make our kids
healthy again? Politico leaked this strategy. It was due out.
The strategy plan was due August fifteenth. They missed that deadline.
Nothing came out. This is not the final version. This
is just what was leaked. I gotta be honest, though,
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if you were looking for some real zingers, you're going
to be thoroughly just pointed. Now listen, it's very easy
to criticize from the outside looking in. Undoubtedly, I am
certain a lot of time and effort went into writing this.
There are some areas where I'm pretty sure chat GPT
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or GROCK or something similar may have contributed significantly. I
don't have one of those little programs where you can
check and see. I think whoever put this together reliant
on it. It doesn't read like someone with the scientific
background wrote it at all. But that's not uncommon. You know,
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Usually I don't know. I mean, I would hope that
someone who is qualified to talk about these issues is
putting together this report, But I guess I would be
ignorant to think that that happens, probably especially in governmental agencies.
It definitely doesn't read like someone did. So what they
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did was they identify I had four They broke it
down into four potential drivers behind the rise in childhood
chronic disease that presents the clearest opportunities for progress. That's
their words. They said, poor diet, chemical exposure, lack of
physical activity and chronic stress, and over medicalization. So those
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are those four things for me. I would not that
they put them in any sort of numerical order. These
were just bullet points. I certainly think poor diet number
one issue that needs to be addressed amongst our kids.
I would then make that second one be the lack
of physical activity in chronic stress that our kids are
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seeing these days. From there, I would say the over
medicalization and chemical exposure. I certainly think these are issues,
but I think that they are nowhere near as significant
when it comes to the health of our children as
poor diet and sedentary life styles and the chronic stress.
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So but that's what they decided to break it down
into those four things. And unfortunately, the way that this
strategy was written is very confusing. It's not very organized.
I personally would have taken those four that they listed
and then given, you know, have those beheaders and then
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have bullet points below each one of those saying and
this is how we're going to address it. They didn't
do that. They just kind of flight of ideas, kept
started listing a whole bunch of things that they want
to do. But when you're reading the way that they
are listing the things that they want to do, it's
actually kind of funny. I'd say funny. I don't know
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if it's so much funny haha, because I mean, when
we're talking about the health of our children, I would
like to see a little bit more of a plan
in place than what was put forth. The reality is,
I don't know who wrote this. There's some there's a
lot of hyperbole in it. Maybe some words I wouldn't
have used because they sound hyperbolic. Maybe a trat GPT,
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maybe an English or literary major added them. I'll give
you some specifics. Well, actually here's one right now. They're
talking about a task force that is going to be launched.
They're like, this task force is going to leverage collective
expertise to catalyze transformative discovery in science and intervention strategies
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that provoke promote wellness. Blah blah blah blah blah. But
I'm like, who wrote this catalyze the transformative discoveries and science?
I mean, it just sounds I mean, it's exciting, it
sounds exciting, But after reading through this whole thing, it
kind of sounded like to me that they were like,
I like it this way. Imagine you are client a sport.
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Let's go with basketball. I never played basketball. I'm only
five to one. They don't usually let shorties like me
on the team. But let's say we're on a basketball team.
We're all hyped up. It's a big game. The coach
he'say like, all right, guys, huddle up, huddle up, this
is the plan. And everyone just like goes silent because
they're like, we need to hear what the coach is
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going to say. We need that game plan. The coach
is like, this is it. As soon as the buzzer
buzzes or I guess I don't do they buzz when
you're supposed to start. As soon as it starts, just
just do your thing. And then everyone just kind of
like looks at around at each other like I'm sorry,
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what was that. The coach is like, you know, just
you know, play some basketball. Yeah, no, no, no, coach,
we've got that. We've got that. We're playing a basketball game.
But what's the plan? What's the play? Give us the
play by play? You know, where are we going? What
positions are we in? No, no, no, we're going to
figure that out. Just go on out there, let's play.
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We'll figure it all out. Don't you worry. We'll figure
it all out at some point. That's essentially how this
strategy read to me. Again, this is not the final version,
so maybe this was just a that's missing a lot
of information, but I don't know. So a couple of
things right off the bat that they say they want
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to do is just put together a few more task force,
because you know, these task force that's what's really going
to save the world. I can be critical of these
task force mainly because I was on a CDC task force.
I was on an advisory committee for breast cancer and
young women, and it's something Obviously, I'm very passionate about
my day job. While I do all oncologic imaging, breast
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cancer is what I specialized in, or specialize in in
the past tense. But I will tell you we got
very little done in the several years that we were
on it, not because there weren't smart people on it.
In fact, we were all motivated. We're all very smart.
We all had a lot to say. It's just that
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these task force and advisory committees, especially when they're under
the federal umbrella, they just are not efficient and they
don't really get things done. And that is a flaw
of their system. So if we're going to have these
task force, maybe I should come in and give some
ideas onto how to make these task force actually have
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an impact. Because what the task force do is all right,
they're going to set a meeting. That meeting is going
to happen in a few months maybe, and then maybe
a few months after that you'll get a document about
their recommendations. It rarely happens after just one meeting. They
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usually have a meeting to discuss and then at the
end of that meeting they're like, well, these are things
we should follow up on. So then they have another
meeting a few months later, and in that meeting they're like, okay,
so let we followed up on these now what should
we do about them? And now that takes a few
more months for that to come out. And then by
the time that they actually give their recommendations and they're like,
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this is what needs to be done, another administration has
taken over and it's all new people and there was
as though they didn't even exist in the first place.
So whatever MAHA wants to do right now, they better
get cracking, because you know, four years comes real fast
in the life cycle of the White House and the administration.
One of the things that they were talking about right
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off the bat is, you know, they want to focus
on a new whole person health approach to chronic disease prevention.
This is the whole to catalyze transformative discovery science. But
they're essentially saying, let's just look at more than what
we've always looked at when it comes to approaching chronic illness.
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And they're talking about new research initiatives, including the importance
of sleep nutrition and the potential health benefits of select
high quality supplements. I mean, I like that as the
owner of a nutraceutical company. Albeit I'm a very small
nutraceutical company, but I love natural herbs. I created the
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whole line of drop our X because I like natural herbs.
I believe in them, and I believe in their role.
So I think that's great. So I like to hear
that because right now, you know, sometimes you can be
deemed to charlatan when you talk about natural herbs. But
the reality is, if they work for you, why not.
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The thing that bothers me a little bit when they
start talking about some of this. One of the big
initiatives is they say real World Data Platform. Now, we
had some headlines about this in the last month where
they essentially said that they want to central a lot
of the information when it comes out of healthcare system
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and other things, and how can they take all of
that information to really look at have a broad view
of how sick people are. This seems very good. There's
some concerns about patient security, privacy concerns, whether patients are
consenting to having their data release to the government. They
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also talk a lot about the wearables data. You know
a lot of people are wearing those rings or those
watches or whatever it is. People just love wearables. Here's
the thing that I'm stuck on a little bit when
I read these reports. Anything out of the HHS right
now bugs me a bit in the sense that they
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talk about a lot of these electronic data platforms, specifically
using wearables. That raises red flags for me because surrounding
RFK Junior, there are a few people who directly financially
benefit from a lot of these endeavors, the wellness supplements,
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the wearables, the the digital platforms. It is the brother
and sister duo Cali and Casey Means. Prior to RFK Junior,
I hadn't ever heard of them, but I've heard of
them a lot now because their names have been brought
to the forefront. Cali Means used to work for the
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big food industry. I believe he is now. What is
he like a special advisor to the government. I don't
think he's actually government employee, but he's like a special advisor.
He certainly is amazing at PR. I mean, he just
puts out PR campaigns for RFK Junior and the Akhs
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and everyone on board. He is a sleuth at social media.
I mean, if he ever wants to get into the
world of being a social media guru. He's got it
because if he wants talking points out there, he will
push them, and he is really good at getting influencers
and people to talk about it. And the reality is
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a lot of what he's talking about I am on
board with. I agree with a lot of what he says.
The issue I have is that he founded this company
called Truemed and that on itself, it's a good thing.
I don't know it personally, but you know, it's described
as a health wellness platform designed to allow you know,
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the hssays, the fssays or those tax advantage spending on supplements,
healthy food, exercise gear, and just other wellness products. It
also provides letters of medical necessity to qualify for purchases
for those benefits. It seems like it does a good
amount of those things. Now, a lot of the endeavors
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that RFK Junior is pushing forward in like this strategy
would certainly fall in line here. So it would behoove
them to make sure that they are very transparent with
some of these disclosures. Taking that a step farther, CALLI
means sister is casey means I have to always cook slowly.
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When I say their names because you know, like moms,
I did the same initials for my children to make
it easy. Their parents clearly did the same thing. CALLI
and Casey I like it. Casey Means if you've heard
that voice. She is the current nominee for surgeon General.
Doctor Jeanette Neschwatt was the original Trump nominee for surgeon General,
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but President Trump pulled her nomination and that in the
moment he appointed Casey Means. Now, I've been told by
people in the circle that RFK Junior had always wanted
Casey Means in that role because he's very close with
Calli Means, I assume, and he was not happy with
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the Jeanette Nshwauk pick. And is that conjecture maybe? Except
when everyone was being announced, all of the nominees were
being announced for like the health stuff, Janette and Eshwat
was the only one who didn't get a public congratulations
by RFK Junior, and I felt that was not very nice.
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I felt like, when are we back in high school?
Or we in an episode of mean girls or mean
guys in this case, like come on, just congratulator geez.
So when she was removed, I was not surprised, not
because she wasn't qualified, just I knew RFK didn't want
her there, So Casey means is there now she has
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kind of her own stuff. People have been vocal about
whether or not they want her in that role. I
think one of the biggest things from the medical perspective
is she never finished her medical training. She didn't finish
her residency program, which means that I don't know what
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I don't really know what her history is. I think
she kind of has, you know, used the strategy of
oh well, I just was I didn't like the way
that medicine was being done and I wanted to focus
more on health and wellness. I mean that sounds like
a beautiful spin. I mean, definitely aligned of what she
and her brother decided to do with writing a book
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and you know, going forth in that wellness space. Some
people are reporting that she couldn't cut it. Maybe I
don't know why. Maybe she had a hard time mentally
with it. Physically it's very arduous in residency. I don't
know what it is. I don't know why she didn't finish.
I can tell you that as a physician, if you're
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looking at the nation's doctor and that's what the surgeon
General is. The fact that she didn't finish her residency
is a red flag for me because I am wanting
medical professionals, not just the general public, but medical professionals
to respect the individual in this role. If she didn't
finish her residency, I can tell you the majority of
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medical professionals are not going to respect the words coming
out of her mouth. Now maybe that's old school thought,
and maybe we should be a little bit more progressive,
but I'm just telling you that's the reality. And while
that bothers me a bit, the piece about all this
that bothers me the most the most is not even that,
even though that does bother me a little bit, she
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co founded a company called Levels. Levels is a company
that sells glucose monitors and the subscription health apps. What
are those? That's the wearables data everything that our FKA
Junior constantly talks about in everything he puts forth. I
think he mentioned wearables and real time data analysis in
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this eighteen page report like no fewer than like two, three, five,
seventeen times. I don't remember the exact number, but it
kept circling it like Okay, I get it, I get it.
You want everyone to wear wearables. He mentioned that about
a couple of months ago. He said his goal in
the next four years is that every American is going
to be wearing a wearable, and because he's going to
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directly profit off that, anyone who owns a company that's
dedicated to wearables. And this if the Surgeon General is
coming out and saying, come on, guys, put on a wearable,
and my company is right here is where you should
get it from. Obviously, I think that I'm going to
imagine this is going to come out in the nomination
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here and this we'll see, I imagine. But to the
credit of this, I will tell you that many times
throughout this they have talked about transparency, making sure that
there are financial disclosures. But you know what, here's the
thing with financial disclosures. Yes, I'm going to disclose that
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I make money off of this. Well, we're still going
to do it though. Isn't that still a conflict of interest? Yeah?
It is. I mean, I think in the Senate confirmation
hearings of RFK Junior, one of the things was that
he was involved in some of the lawsuits for the
vaccine injured and that he still could stand to, I think,
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receive money from some of those lawsuits, and so they're like, well,
how can you be an unbiased person when it comes
to vaccines if you're financially gaining from lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies.
And I think what ended up happening is that he
transferred that those funds, or those monies like to his son,
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and I I get it. That's great. It's no longer
going into his bank account, but it's going into his
son's bank account. This is I have to read up
on it for the details. I'm not entirely sure about
those details. But if that's the case, that sounds very
Biden me with the whole Biden family. And that's what
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conservatives criticize the Biden's of doing over and over and
over again. But it's just like shuffling money around. So
we can't say it's okay for one group of people
to do that and not everyone to do that. And
I just don't think they should do that. I think
if you are going to be in these leadership positions,
I mean, it takes a lot to be a servant
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of the American people, and that's what it is when
you take these government jobs. You really have to divest
yourself from these financial gains so that we can believe
that you are an unbiased person my opinion. You're listening
to Wellness and Mass. We'll be right back with more.
All right, I just want to move forward because I've
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just gone off on a total tangent. He certainly talks
about pesticides, and one of the things he says is,
you know, again, I would have liked it if it
stayed in chronological order like foods blah blah blah blah blah.
But no, we're going to jump all over the place.
And if it sounds like I'm jumping all over the place,
that's because this I'm just going blank by line of
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the strategy, and it certainly is jumping all over the place.
So they talk about cumulative exposure to chemicals most specifically
like the insecticides, fungicides, pesticides, everything that's on our produce
and blah blah blah, all of that. Now. RFK Junior
was way against this during his print when he had
a presidential campaign and really just said that it has
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to go away. Now this report is essentially just saying
we're just going to do some more research on it,
and we're going to do research on how bad this
may be. We're also going to do research on some alternatives,
and we're also going to try and make it easier
for especially small batch farmers to not use some of
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these harmful pesticides. So I think this sounds reasonable. I
think he's going to be criticized because people are gonna
be like, no, you said no. Best decides, we got
to get him out. So but you know, you have
a big agricultural lab lobby, you have, you know a
lot of people at the EPA who have done a
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lot of studies on this. Uh. I don't know what's
going to happen there. I'm sure there's going to be
some pushback there. But I also think that we have
to work with our farmers to make sure that we
are not putting them out of the out of business.
We also need to make sure that what we're consuming
is safe for us. Absolutely, there has to be somewhere
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in between. So from there it jumps. We're going to
now we're jumping to autism because that's how the support reads. Shockingly,
autism only has two and a half lines. Autism was
like a huge thing for RFK Junior and then all
of a sudden, he's like ADHs TUTA is going to
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study root causes of autism, and like that's it. It's like, okay,
all right, well, could you be more specific because autism
rates have increased. Yes, I know they've increased because of
increased diagnostic criteria, but there do seem to be more
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children with autism just from my perspective. So what does
this mean is he's saying he's just gonna give more
money to the funding of it, because in what are
we we had those Like we had an Autism Cares
Act of twenty fourteen that gave one point three billion
dollars to autism research twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, between
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federal and private. I think there's about four one hundred
and twenty four million dollars each year towards autism research.
You know the government paid about eighty five percent of that. Yeah,
So no, we've been studying autism. There was the Combating
Autism Act of two thousand and six that gave nine
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hundred and fifty million dollars. Autism Cares Act of twenty
fourteen gave one point three billion more dollars. The issue
is it's not that we don't have funding to study autism.
It's that we don't necessarily have an idea of what's
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causing it per se, other than environmental exposures, txings, genetics
and others. So where do we go from here? And
I think the biggest thing that needs to do is
you need to have a data person. Vene precise Odd,
who they have in the FDA, is really good at
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looking at data. He has some socialistic views that I
disagree with on some of his interpretation of data, but
he's really good at looking at data. Someone needs to
look at everything that's been studied on autism and point
to We need to find out what hasn't been studied,
if anything, or what conclusions can be drawn. I don't
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think more money needs to be thrown at this. I
don't think we need to start at zero, but we've
spent over a billion dollars on it. We need to
actually sift through the data, throw out the junk, and
look at what's already been studied and what conclusions could
we draw. I think that's one of the most important
things that need to do and we need to have.
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We need to have an autism ZAR, and autisms are
that's what we need to look at the data we
have collectively up until this point, figure out if there
are any conclusions that can be drawn, and try if
there is a need in any specific area for autism.
We don't need more money, we need and autisms are
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That's what I'm calling for. It then goes on to
vaccine injury. No surprise is there. We know RFK Junior
is talking about that. That's something he's been talking about
for a very long time. He's definitely going to get
some heat for this one because nowhere in this does
it specifically say mRNA which mRNA vaccines are the ones
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that have been heavily disputed with the COVID vaccine. But
I think a lot of people are going to say,
but why are you saying mRNA vaccines need to be
pulled and mRNA research needs to be stopped again, Just
like autism, the vaccine injury is of only three and
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a half lines. All they said is that they're going
to investigate vaccine injuries with improved data collection. I don't
really know what that means, but I will say that
that's a good idea because the current system, the VARs program,
is a lot of it's just self reported. While there's
helps in the sense that it can show some safety signals,
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you know, if a lot of people are reporting the
same thing from happening, it can also be confounded with
a lot of erroneous information that you know, people are saying, well,
I think this caused it, but it really didn't cause
it at all. And so not only does it take
time away from people who are evaluating the var's data,
but it really for other people who are having more
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rare side effects, it kind of gets drowned out or
diluted amongst a lot of information. So I absolutely agree
with an improved data collection and analysis. I know that
RF Junior has already talked about ramping up the new
vaccine injury research program and the compensation models. COVID vaccine
injuries are currently still funded differently than the other vaccine injuries.
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COVID vaccines should be lumped into that. I personally believe
that the COVID vaccines as well as other vaccines, should
be coming with black box warnings with some of their
side effects. You know, one of the biggest things that
bothered me about the COVID vaccines early on, we were
told in the data was that it was, you know,
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extremely efficacious, over ninety five percent, over ninety seven percent, excellent,
and that it was stopping transmission. So the moment that
they knew it wasn't stopping transmission, the moment became obvious
that we were having so many breakthrough cases. That's when
you know, the thought of, or the conversation around mandating
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people to have these to slow the spread or stop
the spread was like, obviously, well that's not going to work.
But the mandates continued, and then they continued going down, down, down,
down to adolescents, down to kids, and even without any
reports of side effect, that just made no sense to me.
It was plain to see, plain as day that children
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were the least at risk. And so I started writing
a lot on foxnews dot com and speaking about it
on TV and social media about like, we need to
pump the brakes, don't I'm not sure we should be
vaccinating the children. Then the safety signals started coming because
people were vaccinating the children because colleges and everywhere else
was mandating it milecarditis and everything else. And listen, I'm
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a mom of three boys. They were seeing it in
younger men, younger boys. I was like absolutely not. I
know that they're going to do a deep dive into
what happened there, at least I hope. So why we
weren't given that information, why we're shielded from it? Israel
had the information, But at this point, I think that
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the warnings need to be on the box in big letters.
This can be dangerous for your children. But the problem
is if those blackbot weren't black box warnings are on
the box for vaccines, the parents and the kids are
not seeing those boxes. They're just in the pediatrician's office
or in the CBS or wherever, and they're just like, Okay,
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let's see your COVID shot. You may be sore afterwards,
and you may have a heartache afterwards, but they don't
talk much about that. Moving on, he talks about this.
Actually I found really funny, hope to figure out he
has two separate things, like ten pages apart, where we're
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talking about the dental, oral hygiene, oral hygiene of children,
which is excellent. We are huge proponents of oral hygiene
here in the Snapphire house. I think we brush our
teeth multiple times a day. But in one of it,
he's like, we are going to explore the fact that
kids are still having cavities and bad oral hygiene, and
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how this is affecting gut health, because as we know,
gut health affects your entire body. Talk about cut health
all the time. My kids aren't mortified because I talk
about gut a lot. So he's on this whole thing
about we have to we have to do something about
these cavities and these kids that's affecting their gut health.
And then they're like, by the way, we got to
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keep reviewing the health risks of fluoride and drinking water
because we might take it out. Okay, he doesn't actually
say they're going to take it out, but because of
comments he's made, states are already trying to remove fluoride
from drinking water. Now. Okay, adding fluoride to drinking water
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has decreased cavities over the last century by like sixty
to eighty percent. Well, because we didn't have fluoride toothpaste
back in the day and people weren't really brushing their
teeth back in the day. But even still, the CDC
points to data that's saying twenty five percent of cavities
in kids and adults are still decreased because of fluoride
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and drinking water. Here's where I get a little concerned.
If you look at the data on fluoride and drinking water,
and of course I don't have all these numbers in
front of me right now, but I studied this for
a TV segment. I did they have a limit because
above a certain limit, there are consequences of those doses
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of fluoride. There's consequences when it comes to brain health
and some other things, brain and bones. We're just going
to leave it at that, okay, because this is not
an overly medical discussion. It can affect the brain and bones,
especially in young kids. So that you know you have limits.
You're like, you can't have this above this in your
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drinking water. Well, I was looking at the numbers in
New Jersey, and again I'm just going to give some
random numbers because I didn't have it in front of me.
But if at one point six it can affect your
brain and bones, New Jersey is like, all right, we
can't go over one point too, just can't do it
too close to one point six. Well, New Jerseys at
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literally at like one point two, like really, you really
are pushing that upper limit there? And so on, top
of that, it's like, Okay, it's in the drinking water,
But then we're also using fluoride toothpaste, and maybe we
have fluoride and mouth wash and all of these other things.
So undoubtedly there are people out there getting too much fluoride,
and maybe this really is contributing. Maybe people drink a
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lot of drinking water, Maybe this is contributing to some
of the issues that we're seeing when it comes to
brain health, especially in kids. My concern about removing fluoride
in total from drinking water is specifically in the rural
areas and underserved areas that maybe they don't have the
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same access to going to see a dentist, or they're
not brushing their teeth twice a day. So I don't
know how I feel about removing fluoride in total, but
I think maybe we should consider reevaluating those levels. But
speaking of drinking water, moving on, in this report, they
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also talked about the levels of pharmaceutical in our water supply.
I bet you didn't know this. This is actually quite
astonishing and it's not new. What is it two thousand
and two, there was like this geological survey that showed
like eighty percent of sampled streams across thirty states contained
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detectable pharmaceutical compounds ranging from you know, over the counter
medications like motrin, said two, hormones, detergents, fire returnants, antibiotics,
and prescription drugs. Then the Associated Press did an investigation
of this in two thousand and eight and they also
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detected trace levels of very pharmaceuticals including painkillers, antibiotics and
I seizure meds, antidepressants, hard medication, sex hormones, and steroids
in the drinking water of twenty four major metropolitan areas
that would impact at least forty one million Americans. Well,
that seems bad. Could you imagine? We already know that
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there is documented ecological impact of our medications or whatnot
in water. There was some study that they showed that
fish that were exposed to estrogenic compounds, meaning estrogen in
the drinking water, which I just told you in that
Associated Press showed that who was there in these fish?
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They showed feminization like they were undergoing trans transformation. And
they also had propranolol, which is a beta blocker which
slows your heart rate, and all these affected their reproduction. Hello,
we have a reproduction issue. Here in the United States too,
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And it's not just because people aren't going to bed together.
It's because we have more infertility than ever before. Puberty
ages are changing, and I pointed to this, saying, in
the things we eat, the waters we drink, all of
this is affecting us because there's foremones, there's steroids, there's
all this stuff in here. So they're saying, we're going
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to look at that. You know what, bye gosh. I
agree with that. They don't say how are we going
to look at it, but they're bringing it up. And
I appreciate that. We talk about air quality, making sure
that pollution level is okay, which we know it's not,
but that's okay, We're gonna They literally just said they're
going to study the air quality impacts on children's health.
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I'm gonna go with the air quality is negatively impacting
our children's health. You're welcome, no grant needed. Now, what
are you going to do about it? Microplastics, synthetics, same thing,
We're going to study it. Yeah, we've already had research
that shows microplastics in people's brains. I don't think we
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need more money and time spent on the to say
you know what, microplastics in our body is not good
for us. We know what are you going to do
about it? Then they go on to like the whole
prescribing patterns and mental illness, and that was that fourth
thing that they talked about, the fact that they think
that kids are being overprescribed medications. It seems like there
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are a lot of kids on adder all these days. Now.
Is it the chicken or the egg phenomenon? Do more
kids have attention deficit disorder hyperactivity disorder and so they're
requiring the medications or are we over prescribing medications? Well,
I think it's a little bit of both. I think
that physicians, parents, teachers, there's they've just kind of broken
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that red tape of prescribing children medications these days. It
is what once used to be stigmatized, and you do
want to get away from stigma when it comes to
treating especially children. But I do think that, you know,
the barrier for treating has just really been broken down
a little bit too much now, that is my opinion.
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So they talk about prescribing patterns and impact on mental health.
Here's something that I don't like about this. They say,
we are going to consider prior authorizations, like increasing prior
authorizations of this to maybe combat over prescribing. Oh good god, no,
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please don't. Okay from every doctor everywhere. The last thing
we need are more prior authorizations. Okay. A psychiatrist who's
been in business for decades, it's doesn't need a nurse
who never did a psychiatry rotation deciding whether or not
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that patient needs the medication. Okay, Especially because these prior
authorizations are done by the insurance company, and all the
insurance company cares about is saving money. They will spend
more money hiring people to do these prior authorizations because
they don't want to commit to paying for that medication.
Is it is awful as a physician dealing with insurance
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companies and prior authorizations. I don't like that that was
included in here that I'm going to go with. Maybe
chat GPT wrote that because no medical professional would write that,
because that is stupid. I'm going to just hope that
that's just not going to happen. I was just wishful
thinking on my part, But who am I to say? More?
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Coming up on Wellness Unmasked with doctor Nicole Saffhire, looking
at how are we going to get healthy foods to kids.
And I love it because they're talking about removing junk
food from snap. We heard that a few weeks ago
from the food stamps programs, you know, making sure it's
not covering soda and some of these unhealthy foods. But
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my criticism of that was great, you're removing these foods.
How are you getting healthy foods to these kids? That's
one thing that's actually in this report. Now there are
no details, but they have some good I mean I
say they have some good ideas. These are not novel ideas,
but at least they're they're looking into it. It's a
step in the right direction. I wrote it in my
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book five years ago. I could saved you some time
and money of writing this little report thingy if you
wanted to just read that. But it's okay. I like that.
You're talking about incentivizing, incentivizing grocery stores to go to
underserved areas where we have food deserts, talking about bringing
healthy foods in these Maha boxes of healthy food for
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snow recipients. All good things. Love it, thank you. I'm
very happy to see it. They bring up briefly childhood cancer,
which does not fit in here at all. Again, this
really does read like chat GPT may have been a
big assist on this. It just says childhood cancer and AI.
They were just going to develop an AI driven approach
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to harness the data and the tech. All right, cool.
I'm more concerned about the childhood cancer rates. What are
we going to do? And what's interesting that they didn't
mention here is the right to try legislation, because I
can tell you when we talk about childhood cancer, you
have to talk about the ability to write to try.
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And there is just a big shake up at the
FDA because they didn't approve a medication and maybe it's
because that medication seemed to be quite dangerous for children
and didn't really seem to work. But they were heavily
criticized because President Trump has always been a supporter for
right to try medication those medications where you have a
rare disease and there's medications that aren't really proven safe
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or efficacious at all. But the company is like, well,
I might as well just try. That's what right to tries.
And so I'm surprised that they didn't mention that, but
I guess I'm not surprised they talk about something that's
interesting that they want to harness the data from the
VA for kids to look essentially at a data sharing plan.
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They're saying that they're going to exclude personally identifiable information,
you know, protecting patients privacy. But I don't know, this
sounds a little if any of these people who are
about you know, consent and they care about their privacy,
they might be a little concerned about how this is
going to be used. Well, of course, we always have
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a concern about that and making sure it's not negatively
used against them, because insurance companies love to use things
against people. All of a sudden, you see artificial intelligence again,
and oh, what's that? Yep, talking about real time monitoring
with AI. What does that sound like? Wearables? Wearables and
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platform digital platforms sound familiar? And honestly, that's about it.
They also mentioned infant formula, looking into it, wanting to
be more aligned with like the European way, which is
much healthier that our infant formula here in the United
States is completely antiquated. It is unhealthy. Despite that, they
love to say, oh, it's as good as breast milk.
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Absolutely not. Breast is best, and you know, what God
bless this report because they say that kind of They
essentially say we're going to do everything that we can
to try to increase breastfeeding rates here in the United States,
and I am like, awesome, I am all for this
and imagine they will. The last major thing I want
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to touch on is that they mentioned the dietary guidelines
for Americans. This is essentially they are going to replace
that stupid food pyramid that we've been looking at for
a few decades, because the reality is that food pyramid
is so wrong. While when it was made, it sounded
good in theory, you know, to have whole grains, but unfortunately,
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our whole grains that all of us tend to eat
are these super ultra processed foods that turn into nothing
but sugar and crap in our bodies, so hence why
we're kind of fat and have a lot of inflation.
So they're going to do it. They haven't put it
out yet. When I had talked to doctor Marty McCay,
the new FDA commissioner, he had mentioned this was coming
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down the pipe and was really excited about it. And
I am also really excited about it. So we will
see this as well. Oh, one more interesting note. They
say that they're going to limit the direct marketing of
certain foods to children. You know how if you turn
on the TV or social media, like bright color candies
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and cereals and sodas and whatever it is to try
and get kids attention. They're going to limit that. But interestingly,
you know what they say about the whole direct to
consumer when it comes to pharmaceuticals. We're just going to
increase our oversight. We're going to increase our oversight on that.
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Don't you remember when RFK Junior was running for president,
he was like, oh, it's bad, we have to get
rid of directric consumer. It's something we're going to do.
And I was like, yeah, let's get those stupid pharmaceutical
ads off the TV because the last thing my kids
need to see are the anti HIV meds and talking
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about well it can cause this is this is this
is this is this. My kids are like mortified when
they see this, like let's go no, no, that's not happening.
I know, big pharma, huge lobbyist. That was wishful thinking.
I mean they pay a lot of money, a lot
of people benefit from pharmaceutical ads. I get it. I
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get it. But so they say they're going to increase
oversight and enforcement, So they essentially say if they break
any of their rules, that more penalties. Maybe. Then they
also say they're going to make sure they may increase
the risks lists. I mean, have you seen one of
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these pharmaceutical ads they're so you may get and we're
going to go even longer. Okay, I think I'll have
to stop watching television. At that point, they go into
a bunch of more other things. They say that medical
school they should have classes on nutrition. Cool. I didn't
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have one in medical school. I think it's a good idea.
Nothing wrong with that. They talk about the whole presidential
fitness test. Great, get kids moving again, and that's really it,
and so oh they talk about, oh, one of the
things that they do say for all of this, to
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make sure that people are healthier, specifically those on Medicaid,
which is the government funded healthcare, they're going to be
using fitness indicators. And they gave an example of which
fitness indicator. It was going to be VO two max,
which is essentially showing how well your cardiovascular system is working.
What do you think monitors that do you think everyone's
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going to go to the doctor to get their VIA
two checked every now and then. No, do you know
what can monitor that? Yep, you guessed it. Oh, wearable.
I digress anyway, So that's about it. There's a lot
of other things in here, deregulating small businesses, especially for
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small farms. I hope they expand that to like the
small businesses that make shampoos and soaps, because for whatever reason,
shampoo and soap is under the FDA, and when you
have these small businesses, they are just crushed by the FDA.
So I really hope they do regulate some of that.
That's not specifically mentioned in here, but I'm hoping that
it will be. That's it. I'm really thinking that this
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is not the end of this report because it really
kind of ends abruptly. There's no like and in conclusion,
this is what I think should happen. There's none of that,
so maybe it was cut off. But I will say
they essentially are giving two tasks to the Surgeon General,
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if and when we ever get one. The first one
is screen time. The Surgeon General is going to launch
an education and awareness initiative on the effects of screens
on children. I like it again as a mom of three.
This is this is an issue. It's an issue. It's
not just an issue for kids, it's an issue for adults.
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Our Surgeon General right now is pregnant, I believe, with
her first child, So this is something she's going to
be dealing with eventually when she becomes a mom. So
I'm sure there are a lot of moms surrounding her
who are going to be very excited to talk to
her all about the consequences of speed time and she
is going to learn herself in the new future. The
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other initiative for the Surgery General is that she is
going to launch an education and awareness initiative on the
impact alcohol controlled substances, vaping and teachc on children's health. Excellent.
I am certain she's going to get a little bit
of pushback on this one, mainly because I think I
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don't know who's in her book or it was an
article she talked about taking essentially an illegal substance here
in the United States, like a hallucinogenic, and she was
saying that it just helped her get to a deeper place.
I don't know if she said spiritually, I don't really
know what she said, but I just think it's kind
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of funny, and I think people are going to give
her her time on that, which is maybe maybe she
deserves it, maybe not. I don't know. But she has
spoken out, I believe, in her book about the consequences
of marijuana and some other things on just overall health.
So I know she feels that way, and it'll be interesting.
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It's going to be this is going to be real interesting.
They really didn't mention opioids like at all, despite the
fact that three teens essentially die a day of opioids.
They essentially just say maybe the FDA is going to
update OxyContin labeling to warn patients and consumers about the
dangers of chronic use. Would have liked to see a
little bit more about opioids, seeing as it is still
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a major major issue in our communities. They do talk
about educating schools a little bit about responding to overdoses,
but I am much more interested in preventing the overdoses
than just responding to them. So that's it. I will
let you know if and when this final report comes out.
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To me, it's a big frickin' nothing burger. It's kind
of just more repetition of what we've already heard, and
at the end of the day, you can put a
million bullet points out, it's going to take a lot
more to actually make some change, specifically some long lasting change.
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Welcome back to Wellness on Mass. I'm doctor Nicole Sapphire
and I am fresh back from Scotland where I was
vacationing with my family. If you've never been to Scotland,
this was our first time, let me tell you it
was lovely. You have to kind of like being outdoors.
If you're not an outdoors person, maybe it's not for you.
But we had an amazing time about seven hour flight home,
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which gave me ample time to read through the eight
pages of the elite Make Our Children Healthy Again strategy
plan that came out of the AHHS, so I thought
that maybe we'd sit down and go through it. For decades,
we have watched rising rates of childhood obesity, diabetes, mental
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health struggles, and preventable chronic illness. Just in gen and
behind the politics, behind the headlines and behind the spin,
there is really a generation of kids who are suffering
and they deserve better. About this five years ago in
my first book, Make America Healthy Again, adults are sick,
but our kids are even sicker, and they're starting out
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getting sick younger and younger, so by the time they're
our age, they're going to be worse off than we are.
So that's why I thought it was really important to
break down this big strategy that is coming out of
the RFK Junior AHHS. Remember there was an executive order
by President Trump earlier this year to the AHHS Secretary
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RFK Junior, saying, I want to see what your plan is.
What are we going to do to make our kids
healthy again? Politico leaked this strategy. It was due out.
The strategy plan was due August fifteenth. They missed that deadline.
Nothing came out. This is not the final version. This
is just what was leaked. I gotta be honest, though,
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if you were looking for some real zingers, you're going
to be thoroughly just pointed. Now listen, it's very easy
to criticize from the outside looking in. Undoubtedly, I am
certain a lot of time and effort went into writing this.
There are some areas where I'm pretty sure chat GPT
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or GROCK or something similar may have contributed significantly. I
don't have one of those little programs where you can
check and see. I think whoever put this together reliant
on it. It doesn't read like someone with the scientific
background wrote it at all. But that's not uncommon. You know,
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Usually I don't know. I mean, I would hope that
someone who is qualified to talk about these issues is
putting together this report, But I guess I would be
ignorant to think that that happens, probably especially in governmental agencies.
It definitely doesn't read like someone did. So what they
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did was they identify I had four They broke it
down into four potential drivers behind the rise in childhood
chronic disease that presents the clearest opportunities for progress. That's
their words. They said, poor diet, chemical exposure, lack of
physical activity and chronic stress, and over medicalization. So those
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are those four things for me. I would not that
they put them in any sort of numerical order. These
were just bullet points. I certainly think poor diet number
one issue that needs to be addressed amongst our kids.
I would then make that second one be the lack
of physical activity in chronic stress that our kids are
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seeing these days. From there, I would say the over
medicalization and chemical exposure. I certainly think these are issues,
but I think that they are nowhere near as significant
when it comes to the health of our children as
poor diet and sedentary life styles and the chronic stress.
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So but that's what they decided to break it down
into those four things. And unfortunately, the way that this
strategy was written is very confusing. It's not very organized.
I personally would have taken those four that they listed
and then given, you know, have those beheaders and then
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have bullet points below each one of those saying and
this is how we're going to address it. They didn't
do that. They just kind of flight of ideas, kept
started listing a whole bunch of things that they want
to do. But when you're reading the way that they
are listing the things that they want to do, it's
actually kind of funny. I'd say funny. I don't know
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if it's so much funny haha, because I mean, when
we're talking about the health of our children, I would
like to see a little bit more of a plan
in place than what was put forth. The reality is,
I don't know who wrote this. There's some there's a
lot of hyperbole in it. Maybe some words I wouldn't
have used because they sound hyperbolic. Maybe a trat GPT,
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maybe an English or literary major added them. I'll give
you some specifics. Well, actually here's one right now. They're
talking about a task force that is going to be launched.
They're like, this task force is going to leverage collective
expertise to catalyze transformative discovery in science and intervention strategies
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that provoke promote wellness. Blah blah blah blah blah. But
I'm like, who wrote this catalyze the transformative discoveries and science?
I mean, it just sounds I mean, it's exciting, it
sounds exciting, But after reading through this whole thing, it
kind of sounded like to me that they were like,
I like it this way. Imagine you are client a sport.
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Let's go with basketball. I never played basketball. I'm only
five to one. They don't usually let shorties like me
on the team. But let's say we're on a basketball team.
We're all hyped up. It's a big game. The coach
he'say like, all right, guys, huddle up, huddle up, this
is the plan. And everyone just like goes silent because
they're like, we need to hear what the coach is
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going to say. We need that game plan. The coach
is like, this is it. As soon as the buzzer
buzzes or I guess I don't do they buzz when
you're supposed to start. As soon as it starts, just
just do your thing. And then everyone just kind of
like looks at around at each other like I'm sorry,
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what was that. The coach is like, you know, just
you know, play some basketball. Yeah, no, no, no, coach,
we've got that. We've got that. We're playing a basketball game.
But what's the plan? What's the play? Give us the
play by play? You know, where are we going? What
positions are we in? No, no, no, we're going to
figure that out. Just go on out there, let's play.
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We'll figure it all out. Don't you worry. We'll figure
it all out at some point. That's essentially how this
strategy read to me. Again, this is not the final version,
so maybe this was just a that's missing a lot
of information, but I don't know. So a couple of
things right off the bat that they say they want
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to do is just put together a few more task force,
because you know, these task force that's what's really going
to save the world. I can be critical of these
task force mainly because I was on a CDC task force.
I was on an advisory committee for breast cancer and
young women, and it's something Obviously, I'm very passionate about
my day job. While I do all oncologic imaging, breast
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cancer is what I specialized in, or specialize in in
the past tense. But I will tell you we got
very little done in the several years that we were
on it, not because there weren't smart people on it.
In fact, we were all motivated. We're all very smart.
We all had a lot to say. It's just that
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these task force and advisory committees, especially when they're under
the federal umbrella, they just are not efficient and they
don't really get things done. And that is a flaw
of their system. So if we're going to have these
task force, maybe I should come in and give some
ideas onto how to make these task force actually have
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an impact. Because what the task force do is all right,
they're going to set a meeting. That meeting is going
to happen in a few months maybe, and then maybe
a few months after that you'll get a document about
their recommendations. It rarely happens after just one meeting. They
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usually have a meeting to discuss and then at the
end of that meeting they're like, well, these are things
we should follow up on. So then they have another
meeting a few months later, and in that meeting they're like, okay,
so let we followed up on these now what should
we do about them? And now that takes a few
more months for that to come out. And then by
the time that they actually give their recommendations and they're like,
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this is what needs to be done, another administration has
taken over and it's all new people and there was
as though they didn't even exist in the first place.
So whatever MAHA wants to do right now, they better
get cracking, because you know, four years comes real fast
in the life cycle of the White House and the administration.
One of the things that they were talking about right
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off the bat is, you know, they want to focus
on a new whole person health approach to chronic disease prevention.
This is the whole to catalyze transformative discovery science. But
they're essentially saying, let's just look at more than what
we've always looked at when it comes to approaching chronic illness.
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And they're talking about new research initiatives, including the importance
of sleep nutrition and the potential health benefits of select
high quality supplements. I mean, I like that as the
owner of a nutraceutical company. Albeit I'm a very small
nutraceutical company, but I love natural herbs. I created the
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whole line of drop our X because I like natural herbs.
I believe in them, and I believe in their role.
So I think that's great. So I like to hear
that because right now, you know, sometimes you can be
deemed to charlatan when you talk about natural herbs. But
the reality is, if they work for you, why not.
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The thing that bothers me a little bit when they
start talking about some of this. One of the big
initiatives is they say real World Data Platform. Now, we
had some headlines about this in the last month where
they essentially said that they want to central a lot
of the information when it comes out of healthcare system
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and other things, and how can they take all of
that information to really look at have a broad view
of how sick people are. This seems very good. There's
some concerns about patient security, privacy concerns, whether patients are
consenting to having their data release to the government. They
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also talk a lot about the wearables data. You know
a lot of people are wearing those rings or those
watches or whatever it is. People just love wearables. Here's
the thing that I'm stuck on a little bit when
I read these reports. Anything out of the HHS right
now bugs me a bit in the sense that they
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talk about a lot of these electronic data platforms, specifically
using wearables. That raises red flags for me because surrounding
RFK Junior, there are a few people who directly financially
benefit from a lot of these endeavors, the wellness supplements,
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the wearables, the the digital platforms. It is the brother
and sister duo Cali and Casey Means. Prior to RFK Junior,
I hadn't ever heard of them, but I've heard of
them a lot now because their names have been brought
to the forefront. Cali Means used to work for the
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big food industry. I believe he is now. What is
he like a special advisor to the government. I don't
think he's actually government employee, but he's like a special advisor.
He certainly is amazing at PR. I mean, he just
puts out PR campaigns for RFK Junior and the Akhs
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and everyone on board. He is a sleuth at social media.
I mean, if he ever wants to get into the
world of being a social media guru. He's got it
because if he wants talking points out there, he will
push them, and he is really good at getting influencers
and people to talk about it. And the reality is
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a lot of what he's talking about I am on
board with. I agree with a lot of what he says.
The issue I have is that he founded this company
called Truemed and that on itself, it's a good thing.
I don't know it personally, but you know, it's described
as a health wellness platform designed to allow you know,
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the hssays, the fssays or those tax advantage spending on supplements,
healthy food, exercise gear, and just other wellness products. It
also provides letters of medical necessity to qualify for purchases
for those benefits. It seems like it does a good
amount of those things. Now, a lot of the endeavors
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that RFK Junior is pushing forward in like this strategy
would certainly fall in line here. So it would behoove
them to make sure that they are very transparent with
some of these disclosures. Taking that a step farther, CALLI
means sister is casey means I have to always cook slowly.
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When I say their names because you know, like moms,
I did the same initials for my children to make
it easy. Their parents clearly did the same thing. CALLI
and Casey I like it. Casey Means if you've heard
that voice. She is the current nominee for surgeon General.
Doctor Jeanette Neschwatt was the original Trump nominee for surgeon General,
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but President Trump pulled her nomination and that in the
moment he appointed Casey Means. Now, I've been told by
people in the circle that RFK Junior had always wanted
Casey Means in that role because he's very close with
Calli Means, I assume, and he was not happy with
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the Jeanette Nshwauk pick. And is that conjecture maybe? Except
when everyone was being announced, all of the nominees were
being announced for like the health stuff, Janette and Eshwat
was the only one who didn't get a public congratulations
by RFK Junior, and I felt that was not very nice.
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I felt like, when are we back in high school?
Or we in an episode of mean girls or mean
guys in this case, like come on, just congratulator geez.
So when she was removed, I was not surprised, not
because she wasn't qualified, just I knew RFK didn't want
her there, So Casey means is there now she has
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kind of her own stuff. People have been vocal about
whether or not they want her in that role. I
think one of the biggest things from the medical perspective
is she never finished her medical training. She didn't finish
her residency program, which means that I don't know what
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I don't really know what her history is. I think
she kind of has, you know, used the strategy of
oh well, I just was I didn't like the way
that medicine was being done and I wanted to focus
more on health and wellness. I mean that sounds like
a beautiful spin. I mean, definitely aligned of what she
and her brother decided to do with writing a book
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and you know, going forth in that wellness space. Some
people are reporting that she couldn't cut it. Maybe I
don't know why. Maybe she had a hard time mentally
with it. Physically it's very arduous in residency. I don't
know what it is. I don't know why she didn't finish.
I can tell you that as a physician, if you're
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looking at the nation's doctor and that's what the surgeon
General is. The fact that she didn't finish her residency
is a red flag for me because I am wanting
medical professionals, not just the general public, but medical professionals
to respect the individual in this role. If she didn't
finish her residency, I can tell you the majority of
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medical professionals are not going to respect the words coming
out of her mouth. Now maybe that's old school thought,
and maybe we should be a little bit more progressive,
but I'm just telling you that's the reality. And while
that bothers me a bit, the piece about all this
that bothers me the most the most is not even that,
even though that does bother me a little bit, she
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co founded a company called Levels. Levels is a company
that sells glucose monitors and the subscription health apps. What
are those? That's the wearables data everything that our FKA
Junior constantly talks about in everything he puts forth. I
think he mentioned wearables and real time data analysis in
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this eighteen page report like no fewer than like two, three, five,
seventeen times. I don't remember the exact number, but it
kept circling it like Okay, I get it, I get it.
You want everyone to wear wearables. He mentioned that about
a couple of months ago. He said his goal in
the next four years is that every American is going
to be wearing a wearable, and because he's going to
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directly profit off that, anyone who owns a company that's
dedicated to wearables. And this if the Surgeon General is
coming out and saying, come on, guys, put on a wearable,
and my company is right here is where you should
get it from. Obviously, I think that I'm going to
imagine this is going to come out in the nomination
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here and this we'll see, I imagine. But to the
credit of this, I will tell you that many times
throughout this they have talked about transparency, making sure that
there are financial disclosures. But you know what, here's the
thing with financial disclosures. Yes, I'm going to disclose that
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I make money off of this. Well, we're still going
to do it though. Isn't that still a conflict of interest? Yeah?
It is. I mean, I think in the Senate confirmation
hearings of RFK Junior, one of the things was that
he was involved in some of the lawsuits for the
vaccine injured and that he still could stand to, I think,
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receive money from some of those lawsuits, and so they're like, well,
how can you be an unbiased person when it comes
to vaccines if you're financially gaining from lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies.
And I think what ended up happening is that he
transferred that those funds, or those monies like to his son,
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and I I get it. That's great. It's no longer
going into his bank account, but it's going into his
son's bank account. This is I have to read up
on it for the details. I'm not entirely sure about
those details. But if that's the case, that sounds very
Biden me with the whole Biden family. And that's what
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conservatives criticize the Biden's of doing over and over and
over again. But it's just like shuffling money around. So
we can't say it's okay for one group of people
to do that and not everyone to do that. And
I just don't think they should do that. I think
if you are going to be in these leadership positions,
I mean, it takes a lot to be a servant
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of the American people, and that's what it is when
you take these government jobs. You really have to divest
yourself from these financial gains so that we can believe
that you are an unbiased person my opinion. You're listening
to Wellness and Mass. We'll be right back with more.
All right, I just want to move forward because I've
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just gone off on a total tangent. He certainly talks
about pesticides, and one of the things he says is,
you know, again, I would have liked it if it
stayed in chronological order like foods blah blah blah blah blah.
But no, we're going to jump all over the place.
And if it sounds like I'm jumping all over the place,
that's because this I'm just going blank by line of
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the strategy, and it certainly is jumping all over the place.
So they talk about cumulative exposure to chemicals most specifically
like the insecticides, fungicides, pesticides, everything that's on our produce
and blah blah blah, all of that. Now. RFK Junior
was way against this during his print when he had
a presidential campaign and really just said that it has
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to go away. Now this report is essentially just saying
we're just going to do some more research on it,
and we're going to do research on how bad this
may be. We're also going to do research on some alternatives,
and we're also going to try and make it easier
for especially small batch farmers to not use some of
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these harmful pesticides. So I think this sounds reasonable. I
think he's going to be criticized because people are gonna
be like, no, you said no. Best decides, we got
to get him out. So but you know, you have
a big agricultural lab lobby, you have, you know a
lot of people at the EPA who have done a
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lot of studies on this. Uh. I don't know what's
going to happen there. I'm sure there's going to be
some pushback there. But I also think that we have
to work with our farmers to make sure that we
are not putting them out of the out of business.
We also need to make sure that what we're consuming
is safe for us. Absolutely, there has to be somewhere
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in between. So from there it jumps. We're going to
now we're jumping to autism because that's how the support reads. Shockingly,
autism only has two and a half lines. Autism was
like a huge thing for RFK Junior and then all
of a sudden, he's like ADHs TUTA is going to
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study root causes of autism, and like that's it. It's like, okay,
all right, well, could you be more specific because autism
rates have increased. Yes, I know they've increased because of
increased diagnostic criteria, but there do seem to be more
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children with autism just from my perspective. So what does
this mean is he's saying he's just gonna give more
money to the funding of it, because in what are
we we had those Like we had an Autism Cares
Act of twenty fourteen that gave one point three billion
dollars to autism research twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, between
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federal and private. I think there's about four one hundred
and twenty four million dollars each year towards autism research.
You know the government paid about eighty five percent of that. Yeah,
So no, we've been studying autism. There was the Combating
Autism Act of two thousand and six that gave nine
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hundred and fifty million dollars. Autism Cares Act of twenty
fourteen gave one point three billion more dollars. The issue
is it's not that we don't have funding to study autism.
It's that we don't necessarily have an idea of what's
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causing it per se, other than environmental exposures, txings, genetics
and others. So where do we go from here? And
I think the biggest thing that needs to do is
you need to have a data person. Vene precise Odd,
who they have in the FDA, is really good at
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looking at data. He has some socialistic views that I
disagree with on some of his interpretation of data, but
he's really good at looking at data. Someone needs to
look at everything that's been studied on autism and point
to We need to find out what hasn't been studied,
if anything, or what conclusions can be drawn. I don't
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think more money needs to be thrown at this. I
don't think we need to start at zero, but we've
spent over a billion dollars on it. We need to
actually sift through the data, throw out the junk, and
look at what's already been studied and what conclusions could
we draw. I think that's one of the most important
things that need to do and we need to have.
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We need to have an autism ZAR, and autisms are
that's what we need to look at the data we
have collectively up until this point, figure out if there
are any conclusions that can be drawn, and try if
there is a need in any specific area for autism.
We don't need more money, we need and autisms are
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That's what I'm calling for. It then goes on to
vaccine injury. No surprise is there. We know RFK Junior
is talking about that. That's something he's been talking about
for a very long time. He's definitely going to get
some heat for this one because nowhere in this does
it specifically say mRNA which mRNA vaccines are the ones
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that have been heavily disputed with the COVID vaccine. But
I think a lot of people are going to say,
but why are you saying mRNA vaccines need to be
pulled and mRNA research needs to be stopped again, Just
like autism, the vaccine injury is of only three and
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a half lines. All they said is that they're going
to investigate vaccine injuries with improved data collection. I don't
really know what that means, but I will say that
that's a good idea because the current system, the VARs program,
is a lot of it's just self reported. While there's
helps in the sense that it can show some safety signals,
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you know, if a lot of people are reporting the
same thing from happening, it can also be confounded with
a lot of erroneous information that you know, people are saying, well,
I think this caused it, but it really didn't cause
it at all. And so not only does it take
time away from people who are evaluating the var's data,
but it really for other people who are having more
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rare side effects, it kind of gets drowned out or
diluted amongst a lot of information. So I absolutely agree
with an improved data collection and analysis. I know that
RF Junior has already talked about ramping up the new
vaccine injury research program and the compensation models. COVID vaccine
injuries are currently still funded differently than the other vaccine injuries.
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COVID vaccines should be lumped into that. I personally believe
that the COVID vaccines as well as other vaccines, should
be coming with black box warnings with some of their
side effects. You know, one of the biggest things that
bothered me about the COVID vaccines early on, we were
told in the data was that it was, you know,
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extremely efficacious, over ninety five percent, over ninety seven percent, excellent,
and that it was stopping transmission. So the moment that
they knew it wasn't stopping transmission, the moment became obvious
that we were having so many breakthrough cases. That's when
you know, the thought of, or the conversation around mandating
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people to have these to slow the spread or stop
the spread was like, obviously, well that's not going to work.
But the mandates continued, and then they continued going down, down, down,
down to adolescents, down to kids, and even without any
reports of side effect, that just made no sense to me.
It was plain to see, plain as day that children
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were the least at risk. And so I started writing
a lot on foxnews dot com and speaking about it
on TV and social media about like, we need to
pump the brakes, don't I'm not sure we should be
vaccinating the children. Then the safety signals started coming because
people were vaccinating the children because colleges and everywhere else
was mandating it milecarditis and everything else. And listen, I'm
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a mom of three boys. They were seeing it in
younger men, younger boys. I was like absolutely not. I
know that they're going to do a deep dive into
what happened there, at least I hope. So why we
weren't given that information, why we're shielded from it? Israel
had the information, But at this point, I think that
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the warnings need to be on the box in big letters.
This can be dangerous for your children. But the problem
is if those blackbot weren't black box warnings are on
the box for vaccines, the parents and the kids are
not seeing those boxes. They're just in the pediatrician's office
or in the CBS or wherever, and they're just like, Okay,
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let's see your COVID shot. You may be sore afterwards,
and you may have a heartache afterwards, but they don't
talk much about that. Moving on, he talks about this.
Actually I found really funny, hope to figure out he
has two separate things, like ten pages apart, where we're
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talking about the dental, oral hygiene, oral hygiene of children,
which is excellent. We are huge proponents of oral hygiene
here in the Snapphire house. I think we brush our
teeth multiple times a day. But in one of it,
he's like, we are going to explore the fact that
kids are still having cavities and bad oral hygiene, and
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how this is affecting gut health, because as we know,
gut health affects your entire body. Talk about cut health
all the time. My kids aren't mortified because I talk
about gut a lot. So he's on this whole thing
about we have to we have to do something about
these cavities and these kids that's affecting their gut health.
And then they're like, by the way, we got to
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keep reviewing the health risks of fluoride and drinking water
because we might take it out. Okay, he doesn't actually
say they're going to take it out, but because of
comments he's made, states are already trying to remove fluoride
from drinking water. Now. Okay, adding fluoride to drinking water
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has decreased cavities over the last century by like sixty
to eighty percent. Well, because we didn't have fluoride toothpaste
back in the day and people weren't really brushing their
teeth back in the day. But even still, the CDC
points to data that's saying twenty five percent of cavities
in kids and adults are still decreased because of fluoride
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and drinking water. Here's where I get a little concerned.
If you look at the data on fluoride and drinking water,
and of course I don't have all these numbers in
front of me right now, but I studied this for
a TV segment. I did they have a limit because
above a certain limit, there are consequences of those doses
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of fluoride. There's consequences when it comes to brain health
and some other things, brain and bones. We're just going
to leave it at that, okay, because this is not
an overly medical discussion. It can affect the brain and bones,
especially in young kids. So that you know you have limits.
You're like, you can't have this above this in your
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drinking water. Well, I was looking at the numbers in
New Jersey, and again I'm just going to give some
random numbers because I didn't have it in front of me.
But if at one point six it can affect your
brain and bones, New Jersey is like, all right, we
can't go over one point too, just can't do it
too close to one point six. Well, New Jerseys at
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literally at like one point two, like really, you really
are pushing that upper limit there? And so on, top
of that, it's like, Okay, it's in the drinking water,
But then we're also using fluoride toothpaste, and maybe we
have fluoride and mouth wash and all of these other things.
So undoubtedly there are people out there getting too much fluoride,
and maybe this really is contributing. Maybe people drink a
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lot of drinking water, Maybe this is contributing to some
of the issues that we're seeing when it comes to
brain health, especially in kids. My concern about removing fluoride
in total from drinking water is specifically in the rural
areas and underserved areas that maybe they don't have the
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same access to going to see a dentist, or they're
not brushing their teeth twice a day. So I don't
know how I feel about removing fluoride in total, but
I think maybe we should consider reevaluating those levels. But
speaking of drinking water, moving on, in this report, they
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also talked about the levels of pharmaceutical in our water supply.
I bet you didn't know this. This is actually quite
astonishing and it's not new. What is it two thousand
and two, there was like this geological survey that showed
like eighty percent of sampled streams across thirty states contained
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detectable pharmaceutical compounds ranging from you know, over the counter
medications like motrin, said two, hormones, detergents, fire returnants, antibiotics,
and prescription drugs. Then the Associated Press did an investigation
of this in two thousand and eight and they also
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detected trace levels of very pharmaceuticals including painkillers, antibiotics and
I seizure meds, antidepressants, hard medication, sex hormones, and steroids
in the drinking water of twenty four major metropolitan areas
that would impact at least forty one million Americans. Well,
that seems bad. Could you imagine? We already know that
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there is documented ecological impact of our medications or whatnot
in water. There was some study that they showed that
fish that were exposed to estrogenic compounds, meaning estrogen in
the drinking water, which I just told you in that
Associated Press showed that who was there in these fish?
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They showed feminization like they were undergoing trans transformation. And
they also had propranolol, which is a beta blocker which
slows your heart rate, and all these affected their reproduction. Hello,
we have a reproduction issue. Here in the United States too,
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And it's not just because people aren't going to bed together.
It's because we have more infertility than ever before. Puberty
ages are changing, and I pointed to this, saying, in
the things we eat, the waters we drink, all of
this is affecting us because there's foremones, there's steroids, there's
all this stuff in here. So they're saying, we're going
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to look at that. You know what, bye gosh. I
agree with that. They don't say how are we going
to look at it, but they're bringing it up. And
I appreciate that. We talk about air quality, making sure
that pollution level is okay, which we know it's not,
but that's okay, We're gonna They literally just said they're
going to study the air quality impacts on children's health.
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I'm gonna go with the air quality is negatively impacting
our children's health. You're welcome, no grant needed. Now, what
are you going to do about it? Microplastics, synthetics, same thing,
We're going to study it. Yeah, we've already had research
that shows microplastics in people's brains. I don't think we
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need more money and time spent on the to say
you know what, microplastics in our body is not good
for us. We know what are you going to do
about it? Then they go on to like the whole
prescribing patterns and mental illness, and that was that fourth
thing that they talked about, the fact that they think
that kids are being overprescribed medications. It seems like there
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are a lot of kids on adder all these days. Now.
Is it the chicken or the egg phenomenon? Do more
kids have attention deficit disorder hyperactivity disorder and so they're
requiring the medications or are we over prescribing medications? Well,
I think it's a little bit of both. I think
that physicians, parents, teachers, there's they've just kind of broken
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that red tape of prescribing children medications these days. It
is what once used to be stigmatized, and you do
want to get away from stigma when it comes to
treating especially children. But I do think that, you know,
the barrier for treating has just really been broken down
a little bit too much now, that is my opinion.
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So they talk about prescribing patterns and impact on mental health.
Here's something that I don't like about this. They say,
we are going to consider prior authorizations, like increasing prior
authorizations of this to maybe combat over prescribing. Oh good god, no,
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please don't. Okay from every doctor everywhere. The last thing
we need are more prior authorizations. Okay. A psychiatrist who's
been in business for decades, it's doesn't need a nurse
who never did a psychiatry rotation deciding whether or not
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that patient needs the medication. Okay, Especially because these prior
authorizations are done by the insurance company, and all the
insurance company cares about is saving money. They will spend
more money hiring people to do these prior authorizations because
they don't want to commit to paying for that medication.
Is it is awful as a physician dealing with insurance
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companies and prior authorizations. I don't like that that was
included in here that I'm going to go with. Maybe
chat GPT wrote that because no medical professional would write that,
because that is stupid. I'm going to just hope that
that's just not going to happen. I was just wishful
thinking on my part, But who am I to say? More?
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Coming up on Wellness Unmasked with doctor Nicole Saffhire, looking
at how are we going to get healthy foods to kids.
And I love it because they're talking about removing junk
food from snap. We heard that a few weeks ago
from the food stamps programs, you know, making sure it's
not covering soda and some of these unhealthy foods. But
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my criticism of that was great, you're removing these foods.
How are you getting healthy foods to these kids? That's
one thing that's actually in this report. Now there are
no details, but they have some good I mean I
say they have some good ideas. These are not novel ideas,
but at least they're they're looking into it. It's a
step in the right direction. I wrote it in my
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book five years ago. I could saved you some time
and money of writing this little report thingy if you
wanted to just read that. But it's okay. I like that.
You're talking about incentivizing, incentivizing grocery stores to go to
underserved areas where we have food deserts, talking about bringing
healthy foods in these Maha boxes of healthy food for
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snow recipients. All good things. Love it, thank you. I'm
very happy to see it. They bring up briefly childhood cancer,
which does not fit in here at all. Again, this
really does read like chat GPT may have been a
big assist on this. It just says childhood cancer and AI.
They were just going to develop an AI driven approach
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to harness the data and the tech. All right, cool.
I'm more concerned about the childhood cancer rates. What are
we going to do? And what's interesting that they didn't
mention here is the right to try legislation, because I
can tell you when we talk about childhood cancer, you
have to talk about the ability to write to try.
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And there is just a big shake up at the
FDA because they didn't approve a medication and maybe it's
because that medication seemed to be quite dangerous for children
and didn't really seem to work. But they were heavily
criticized because President Trump has always been a supporter for
right to try medication those medications where you have a
rare disease and there's medications that aren't really proven safe
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or efficacious at all. But the company is like, well,
I might as well just try. That's what right to tries.
And so I'm surprised that they didn't mention that, but
I guess I'm not surprised they talk about something that's
interesting that they want to harness the data from the
VA for kids to look essentially at a data sharing plan.
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They're saying that they're going to exclude personally identifiable information,
you know, protecting patients privacy. But I don't know, this
sounds a little if any of these people who are
about you know, consent and they care about their privacy,
they might be a little concerned about how this is
going to be used. Well, of course, we always have
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a concern about that and making sure it's not negatively
used against them, because insurance companies love to use things
against people. All of a sudden, you see artificial intelligence again,
and oh, what's that? Yep, talking about real time monitoring
with AI. What does that sound like? Wearables? Wearables and
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platform digital platforms sound familiar? And honestly, that's about it.
They also mentioned infant formula, looking into it, wanting to
be more aligned with like the European way, which is
much healthier that our infant formula here in the United
States is completely antiquated. It is unhealthy. Despite that, they
love to say, oh, it's as good as breast milk.
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Absolutely not. Breast is best, and you know, what God
bless this report because they say that kind of They
essentially say we're going to do everything that we can
to try to increase breastfeeding rates here in the United States,
and I am like, awesome, I am all for this
and imagine they will. The last major thing I want
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to touch on is that they mentioned the dietary guidelines
for Americans. This is essentially they are going to replace
that stupid food pyramid that we've been looking at for
a few decades, because the reality is that food pyramid
is so wrong. While when it was made, it sounded
good in theory, you know, to have whole grains, but unfortunately,
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our whole grains that all of us tend to eat
are these super ultra processed foods that turn into nothing
but sugar and crap in our bodies, so hence why
we're kind of fat and have a lot of inflation.
So they're going to do it. They haven't put it
out yet. When I had talked to doctor Marty McCay,
the new FDA commissioner, he had mentioned this was coming
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down the pipe and was really excited about it. And
I am also really excited about it. So we will
see this as well. Oh, one more interesting note. They
say that they're going to limit the direct marketing of
certain foods to children. You know how if you turn
on the TV or social media, like bright color candies
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and cereals and sodas and whatever it is to try
and get kids attention. They're going to limit that. But interestingly,
you know what they say about the whole direct to
consumer when it comes to pharmaceuticals. We're just going to
increase our oversight. We're going to increase our oversight on that.
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Don't you remember when RFK Junior was running for president,
he was like, oh, it's bad, we have to get
rid of directric consumer. It's something we're going to do.
And I was like, yeah, let's get those stupid pharmaceutical
ads off the TV because the last thing my kids
need to see are the anti HIV meds and talking
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about well it can cause this is this is this
is this is this. My kids are like mortified when
they see this, like let's go no, no, that's not happening.
I know, big pharma, huge lobbyist. That was wishful thinking.
I mean they pay a lot of money, a lot
of people benefit from pharmaceutical ads. I get it. I
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get it. But so they say they're going to increase
oversight and enforcement, So they essentially say if they break
any of their rules, that more penalties. Maybe. Then they
also say they're going to make sure they may increase
the risks lists. I mean, have you seen one of
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these pharmaceutical ads they're so you may get and we're
going to go even longer. Okay, I think I'll have
to stop watching television. At that point, they go into
a bunch of more other things. They say that medical
school they should have classes on nutrition. Cool. I didn't
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have one in medical school. I think it's a good idea.
Nothing wrong with that. They talk about the whole presidential
fitness test. Great, get kids moving again, and that's really it,
and so oh they talk about, oh, one of the
things that they do say for all of this, to
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make sure that people are healthier, specifically those on Medicaid,
which is the government funded healthcare, they're going to be
using fitness indicators. And they gave an example of which
fitness indicator. It was going to be VO two max,
which is essentially showing how well your cardiovascular system is working.
What do you think monitors that do you think everyone's
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going to go to the doctor to get their VIA
two checked every now and then. No, do you know
what can monitor that? Yep, you guessed it. Oh, wearable.
I digress anyway, So that's about it. There's a lot
of other things in here, deregulating small businesses, especially for
(47:51):
small farms. I hope they expand that to like the
small businesses that make shampoos and soaps, because for whatever reason,
shampoo and soap is under the FDA, and when you
have these small businesses, they are just crushed by the FDA.
So I really hope they do regulate some of that.
That's not specifically mentioned in here, but I'm hoping that
it will be. That's it. I'm really thinking that this
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is not the end of this report because it really
kind of ends abruptly. There's no like and in conclusion,
this is what I think should happen. There's none of that,
so maybe it was cut off. But I will say
they essentially are giving two tasks to the Surgeon General,
(48:36):
if and when we ever get one. The first one
is screen time. The Surgeon General is going to launch
an education and awareness initiative on the effects of screens
on children. I like it again as a mom of three.
This is this is an issue. It's an issue. It's
not just an issue for kids, it's an issue for adults.
(48:56):
Our Surgeon General right now is pregnant, I believe, with
her first child, So this is something she's going to
be dealing with eventually when she becomes a mom. So
I'm sure there are a lot of moms surrounding her
who are going to be very excited to talk to
her all about the consequences of speed time and she
is going to learn herself in the new future. The
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other initiative for the Surgery General is that she is
going to launch an education and awareness initiative on the
impact alcohol controlled substances, vaping and teachc on children's health. Excellent.
I am certain she's going to get a little bit
of pushback on this one, mainly because I think I
(49:39):
don't know who's in her book or it was an
article she talked about taking essentially an illegal substance here
in the United States, like a hallucinogenic, and she was
saying that it just helped her get to a deeper place.
I don't know if she said spiritually, I don't really
know what she said, but I just think it's kind
(50:00):
of funny, and I think people are going to give
her her time on that, which is maybe maybe she
deserves it, maybe not. I don't know. But she has
spoken out, I believe, in her book about the consequences
of marijuana and some other things on just overall health.
So I know she feels that way, and it'll be interesting.
(50:21):
It's going to be this is going to be real interesting.
They really didn't mention opioids like at all, despite the
fact that three teens essentially die a day of opioids.
They essentially just say maybe the FDA is going to
update OxyContin labeling to warn patients and consumers about the
dangers of chronic use. Would have liked to see a
little bit more about opioids, seeing as it is still
(50:43):
a major major issue in our communities. They do talk
about educating schools a little bit about responding to overdoses,
but I am much more interested in preventing the overdoses
than just responding to them. So that's it. I will
let you know if and when this final report comes out.
(51:06):
To me, it's a big frickin' nothing burger. It's kind
of just more repetition of what we've already heard, and
at the end of the day, you can put a
million bullet points out, it's going to take a lot
more to actually make some change, specifically some long lasting change.
(51:28):
So I really hope we can get there. Thanks for
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