August 25, 2025 • 62 mins
Expanding the Crime Crackdown
The hosts spotlight Washington, DC’s unprecedented streak of 11–12 days without a murder, attributing the drop in violent crime to President Trump’s deployment of the National Guard and increased police presence. Trump’s remarks from the Oval Office emphasize his commitment to restoring safety in America’s cities, while criticizing media bias and Democratic leadership.
The conversation expands to Trump’s proposed crime cleanups in Chicago, Baltimore, and Memphis, cities plagued by high murder rates. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson’s opposition to federal intervention is sharply criticized, with commentators citing his low approval rating and ineffective policies. Memphis is highlighted for having more murders than New York City despite its smaller population, reinforcing the urgency of Trump’s crime strategy.
Bench Press Politics
The guys dive deep into the Democratic Party’s branding crisis, voter registration trends, and cultural disconnect with young male voters. Clay and Buck analyze three key upcoming elections—Virginia, New Jersey, and the New York City mayoral race—highlighting Zoran Mamdani’s rise and the symbolic implications of his physical weakness, including his inability to bench press 135 pounds. This moment becomes a metaphor for the Democratic Party’s broader failure to resonate with average American men.
The hosts explore how masculinity, strength, and testosterone levels correlate with political affiliation, arguing that higher physical fitness and traditional masculine traits align more closely with Republican values. They cite voter registration gains for the GOP in swing states like Arizona, Nevada, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, framing it as a cultural shift driven by disillusionment with progressive ideology.
Trump’s Smithsonian Review
The hosts dive into a politically charged discussion surrounding the Smithsonian Institution, museum exhibits, and the broader cultural battle over American history and identity. The episode centers on the Trump administration’s directive to review exhibitions at eight Smithsonian museums, aiming to ensure alignment with American ideals and push back against what it calls the “last remaining segment of woke” ideology.
The hosts critique specific exhibits, including those focused on LGBTQ+ history, immigration, and Anthony Fauci, arguing that these displays reflect a left-wing narrative that emphasizes oppression and victimization over national achievement. They contrast this with the National Air and Space Museum, which they praise for celebrating American innovation in flight and space exploration.
The Flag Burning EO
Clay and Buck break down Trump’s proposed executive order to criminalize flag burning, sparking a debate over First Amendment rights, symbolic speech, and hate crime legislation. The hosts criticize what they see as selective enforcement, where burning a Pride flag may result in prosecution, but burning an American flag is protected.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. As we are rolling through
the Monday edition of the program. Many different stories afoot
that we will dive into during the course of today's program.
After a weekend where crime continues to plummet in Washington,
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d C. And where sanity continues to prevail across most
of the landscape of this nation, Trump saying that he
may go into Chicago, Baltimore and other cities with high
violent crime rates, including getting into a war of words
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with the governor of Maryland, Wesmore. We are talking also
about DC in particular, having gone now, I believe it
is either eleven or twelve days, depending on who is
bunting and where exactly. The definition of the beginning of
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the mobilization in DC is going. Our friend at CNN,
Harry Enton says Democrat branding is about as popular as
the cracker barrel branding. We got Julane Maxwell audio American
flag burning a new executive order from Trump maybe one
of the first things that I've actually disagreed with him.
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We'll see what Bucks take is on this as well.
And I'm getting attacked for my take on the Air
and Space Museum, which is probably not a sentence that
you expected would happen. All that and more, But we
began Trump in the Oval office, the president of South
Korea scheduled to visit with him. And this is what
Trump said just a few moments ago about the crime
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situation in Washington, d C. This is cut three.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Everybody before me is happy what I'm doing. Most of
you won't say that because you're radical left. The newspapers
is so honest. The press is totally dishonest. But that's
all right. We've got used to it, and we wanted
a landslide, so they obviously.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Lost their power.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I mean, it's impossible to imagine that when you get
ninety seven percent negative stories, purposely negative stories, even though
you've done ninety seven percent positive things, that they could
think you could win an election in a landslide, winning
all seven think of it, all seven swing stays, winning
by the popular vote by millions of votes. We had
(02:29):
a fantastic The best is your districts. Out of three
thousand districts, I guess we won three thousand, five hundred.
We won two thousand, seven hundred and fifty. And they
won five hundred, and that's said to me the best
of all.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Okay, buck, It's becoming, i think, increasingly difficult to argue
that the surge of support for National Guard and DC
police and everything else is it having an impact. I
don't think it's totally arbitrary that we've gone eleven or
twelve days without a murder in the summer, something they
can't find a record of in DC going back decades. Obviously,
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crime tends to skyrocket in the summer. Whether it's good,
people have more free time, kids are out of school.
All of that is when typical violence is at its
peak all over the nation. Kind of feels like Trump
may well have made his point in DC, and I
love the idea of going into Chicago, Baltimore, other cities
with high crime rates and trying to see, hey, can
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we save some more lives.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
The street continues in DC, the harder it is for
those opposed to this to continue to oppose it without
looking like their pro murder, pro crime. There have been
a lot of people, I think, who in the media
have been chastened already by their response. They completely misunderstand
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the mood of the American people. We went through this phase.
We went through the Soros DA BLM era, and we've
decided enough is enough. And by we, I mean a
solid majority of all of the American people. And that
is I think something that Democrats haven't figured out how
to handle politically. What do they do because to turn
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around and face reality is to say that Republicans have
been right all along. To turn around and to accept
that the policies that we've been advocating for for years
not only would result in better numbers for crime, better streets,
better businesses, all that fewer dead people, something that everybody,
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as we've discussed, should be able to get behind and
feel very pleased about. But I think Democrats continue to
have this problem, and it's they can't escape the radical left.
They can't escape the loud voices that were directing policy
and their party for years. And now here we are.
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Here is Brandon Johnson, the mayor. You mentioned Chicago.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
How that could be next? Here is the mayor of Chicago.
This is cut eight play it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
What he is proposing it at this point would be
the most flagrant violation of our constitution in the twenty
first century. The city of Chicago does not need a
military occupation. That's not what we need. In fact, we've
been very clear about what we need. We need to
invest in people to ensure that we can build safe
and affordable communities.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He's just promising more communism, and really more communism rooted
in race instead of class. Invest in people. Yeah, tax
the people who are productive and earn more, squander that
money on useless government programs that do nothing for really anybody.
And when it comes to crime, and more of the same.
And so you have to ask yourself, if you live
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in a place like Chicago Clay that had six hundred
and twenty one murders in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Three, do you want more of the same. That's what
the mayor is offering. I think it's become increasingly difficult
to defend the status quo. And I give President Trump
a lot of credit for changing the narrative here, because
it's been fairly easy for presidents to go into the
White House and just pretend that Washington, DC is all
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fine and dandy around them, even though the violent crime
rate has been extraordinarily high. And Trump has already weighed
in on the mayor of Chicago. Remember, maybe it's bumped
up a bit since then. The mayor of Chicago had
a six percent approval rating in the city of Chicago.
I want to repeat that six is in five plus one.
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I've never seen a mayoral approval rating that low. Everyone
hates this guy. I think the job he's done. If
we put my name on the do you think that
Mayor Sexton is doing a good job for I think
enough people would just be confused by the question that
I would get more than six percent by Chicago residents.
I mean, it's almost impossible to get six percent of
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people approving of a political official that low, even with
there being a ton of people who've done awful jobs.
Here is Trump on Brandon Johnson. Remember Chicago actually managed
to get worse. They had Lorie Whitefoot, who was among
the worst mayors in the history of the COVID era,
and they will double down with awful They really did.
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She lost, She lost in the primary to this guy.
Here is here is President Trump discussing that cut.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
For I watched as a very incompetent man from Chicago said, well,
what do they know? They only arrested nine people. I
said nine people. We didn't arrest nine people. We actually
arrested a total of well over one thousand people. We
took hundreds of guns away from young kids that were
throwing them around like it was candy. We apprehended the
scores of illegal aliens. We see dozens of illegal firearms.
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There have been zero murders. It sounds sort of terrible
to say, it's embarrassing. I did this over the weekend.
I'm making a speech and I acted like I was
so proud as I said, We've had zero murders in
the last week, and some of these people are from
foreign countries. They said that doesn't sound so good, and
I said, well, it doesn't sound good, but Washington was
the most dangerous place in this country, and now you
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know what, it's probably the safest place.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
In our contract.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I mean, it is pretty extraordinary, and I get it
data sets can be somewhat arbitrary, but I think it's
really hard as we sit at eleven or twelve days,
coming up on two weeks, coming through weekends when violence
tends to peak because people are out in the streets more,
I think it's really hard to argue that this lower
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rate of violent crime is not directly connected to what
Trump has done every day, where the crime stays down.
It becomes harder as you get a larger data set.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I also think we should look to our distance south
a little bit here and give credit where it is due.
The president of El Salvador, Buquelee ran the experiment in
the most stark obvious possible terms. Al Salvador was a
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top five and in one year, I think it clave
was per capita number one, per capita number one or
number two, murder capital as a nation of the world. Yes,
for you know, this doesn't include civil wars obviously, or
war right. This is criminal homicides inside of the borders
of a country that's still functioning as a country. But
it was pretty much the murder capital of the world
more or less. Now it's the safest country in Latin America,
(09:32):
the safest country in all of Latin America. And he
did this in a matter of years.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
What happened? What was the miracle? He said, you know what,
we know who the bad people are, and we're just
going to stop allowing them to do bad things, and
we're going to punish them and we're going to take
them out of broader society full stop. And look what
he did. The biggest, from the worst to the best
in all of Latin America. And now we look at
our American cities and we see places. You know, we
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just talked about Chicago. What did I say, six hundred
murders in twenty twenty, Yes, fifty more murders the New
York City, which has four times the people, so fifty
percent more homicides one fourth of the population.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's okay. The Chicago, the Chicago political establishment thinks that
that's an acceptable situation.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
My host Salvador, no doubt, my home state of Memphis,
the city here in my home state had more murders
than New York City.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Think about how.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Gay straight up right had had to head comparison to head,
head to head in recent years, Memphis, Tennessee had more
murders than New York City. How is that acceptable? Again?
I've said if I were governor, I would follow the
lead of Trump. I would send in the state National Guard.
I would make this end. And I think what did
I say when we started this that it was an
interesting test case. And we talked about this buck We said,
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if it works, it's going to prove that there just
hasn't been the will to drive down violent crime. And
now that the violent crime is going down, and you're
using Washington, d C as a test case. This is
where I got attacked for saying, hey, this is a
really good opportunity to see if it works, that if
it does, it should spread. And I never thought that
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I would get attacked in the media for saying, hey,
let's drive down the murder rate, let's save more lives.
I did. But Trump is actually just saying I'm not
going to stand for this. And I do think it's
connected to the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of Washington,
d C. But more than that, I think Trump wants
d C to be a jewel of America. I saw
where he's going to ask for more money to basically
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retrofit and rehabilitate many of the great parks in d
C to make it a true diamond of American life.
And so how d.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
D C as a place as a location, maybe not
so much in the summertime, is a beautiful place, and
there should be something aspirational when children from Oklahoma and
Washington State and you know, and Illinois and you name it,
southern California, when they go to d C on that
school trip, which I know so many of you everyone
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should think, Wow, what an incredible jewel of a city
with so much history and gorgeous architecture and clean, safe streets.
This stuff matters. This stuff matters, And I think that
Trump is I love this. I think this is a
fantastic idea, and I hope that he continues. Clay, no doubt,
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but boy, we had some fun. Did you see as
we go to break here?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Did you see mom Donnie try to bench press one
hundred and thirty five pounds? I did? I did. We
should talk about it. We'll have some fun with that
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and that hopefully will be sometime after the first of
the year. But in the meantime, we are coming up
on the end of summer and the Democrat Party is
not doing itself any favors we have. What I would
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say is, I think you'd probably sign off on this, Buck,
as we get close to Labor Day being officially up, honest,
three major elections to kind of pay attention to. Uh,
We've got the governor of Virginia, We've got the governor
of New Jersey. Both of those are traditionally I think
it's fair to say now blue states. We'll see how
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Republicans are able to battle there. And then we have
the New York City mayor's race where Zorn Mamdami is
Mamdanni is the Democrat nominee. You still got Andrew Cuomo in,
you still got Eric Adams in, and you've still got
Curtis Leewa in. And basically every day Mom Donnie continues
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to create more space between him and the other candidates.
At least if you use the prediction markets, he's nearly
a ninety percent chance now to be elected the next
mayor of New York City. And we're going to get
into Mom Donnie and his overall actual physical weakness. But
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Harry Inton, who actually shares, I have to give credit
to CNN pretty interesting data on a regular basis, kind
of diving into what the numbers say. He wanted to
put into context how the Democrat Party looked, and he
kind of made an analogy with the cracker barrel rebrand.
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And this is what it sounded like.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
The Democratic brand right now has about the appeal with
the American voter as the cracker barrel rebrand has with
the American consumers.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Bad, bad, bad.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
What are we talking about here in terms of big
party registration changes in the key swing states? Look at
this the Republican party gains and party registration compare to
this point. Back in twenty seventeen during the Trump first administration.
In Arizona, you got a Republican gain of three points. Okay,
how about Nevada a gain of six points. How about again,
we come to the east coast North Carolina, a gain
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of eight points for the Republicans, and in the Keystone State,
in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, again we're talking about a
gain of eight points, my goodness, gracious for Republicans. They
are converting old former Democrats to their side of the
ledger as well as picking up new voters.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So all of the data we talked about this from
the New York Times showing that all of this is
moving in a very positive direction. And so much of
this has to do with failure to appeal to young men.
And we mentioned this in the first hour, and you
might say, Okay, I don't particularly care about this, This
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doesn't have anything to do with policy. Why would you
even focus on it? Mom. Donnie over the weekend decided
to hop on a bench press at a public event
and he was unable to do I went back and
looked at the pictures. It is forty five pound plates
on each side and a bar traditionally one hundred and
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thirty five pounds. He couldn't do it one time. And
I understand some of you may never have been in
a gym, you may never have laid down on a
bench press, you may never have done it at all.
I do think this is emblematic of why young men
are just completely rejecting the Democrat party. I'll give you
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a story on this buck Yesterday, my fourteen year old,
he's a ninth grader, came home and he had been
with a friend over the weekend and he said, Dad,
I just got one hundred and fifty five one time
on my bench press And he was so excited about it,
and you know, I gave him a high five, as
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dads do. He's playing football, he wants to lift, he
wants to get stronger. All of his friends see saying
someone is a Democrat as an insult. These are kids
from all different backgrounds, and I do think that this
inability to just connect with normal men is emblematic of
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Zorron Mundami's inability to bingch Am I making too much
of this, or do you think it's a symbol of
Democrat weakness and also just an inability to understand average
male voters. That is incredible weakness.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
No, it took some time for it really to sink
in what the Democrat ideology and the talking points the
orthodoxy was around things like toxic toxic masculinity. Remember I
had this discussion on the Bill mahershow right before the election,
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where I said Trump is going to win and this
is why, and this is one of the reasons why.
Sure enough, that was all correct, even though I would
say the audience actually didn't boo. Well, remember we went
back and watched this again. The audience is willing to
hear it out because I think that they realized some
of them knew at least the train that was coming
down the tracks. Uh, and the Trump train was already
going too too. I mean it was on the way
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at that point. It was October's right before the election.
But Clay that we talked about, you know, toxic masculinity
and and masculinity in general. First of all, I remember
one of the other panelists there, maybe it is still
maybe still has a job at CNN.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I don't know. I've been quite honest with you. I
don't think so, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Maybe here's as a contributor there, and she said, why
are we talking about man?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
We should be talking about women of minorities. Basically, it's like, well,
the topic is masculinity, so you know if that topic
we can talk about completely expected right that she would
immediately say, I don't know why we're talking, Yeah, why
are you talking about this? Well, it's the topic. And
and then and then when I try to get into it,
I said, if you.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Look at masculine virtues, you're not allowed to talk about
masculine virtues as a democrat, and Democrats are not allowed
to say. You can't say things like courage, bravery, because
I'll say, what do you mean women have that too?
It's like, okay, yeah, but we're trying to, you know,
we're trying to look at what is.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
True generally genetically about men and women in the aggregate, and.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Fundamentally, men and women are different. And this is what
the Democrat Party decided they were going to just they
were going to destroy this difference. They were going to
destroy it with the trans issue, but also more generally,
they were going to destroy it. Women should conduct themselves
like men, should pursue the same ends as men, should
have the same life aspirations as men. And you know,
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this is where you can get into the It's fine
if a woman doesn't want to have a family, of course,
It's fine if a woman wants to choose a career first,
of course, and they should have that full right to do.
But as a society, generally speaking, some things tend to
be true about men and women, about the careers they choose,
about the hours they put in, about the and it's
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okay to promote that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's okay to say, hey, this is actually good.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Thing for men to do, or this is a good
thing for women to do in general, and Democrats ran
ran against all of that, and you find you find
yourself thinking, you know, they also just they got rid
of a lot of the words that you would use
to describe wimpy men or wimpy mans. You know, I
don't even really know how you're supposed to talk about
this anymore, but this is this is where they found
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themselves as as a party, and they won't walk back
from this. They're starting to try. I said, Gavin Newsom
is putting out like he put out. Okay, here's the
perfect example. Gavin Newsom put out or his team put
out same thing. A photo, right, you saw this clay
of him in high school. Yeah, Like he's got like
a long scarf on, he's got like, you know, slick hair,
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and he's like hey, and you know, and Jadie Vance
looking a little bit like a dufus. But you know,
is high school and a lot of us look like
dufus Is in high school. And the whole thing I
guess is like, I'm like, handsome, cool Gavin Newsom unlike
this guy who was like a dork in high school,
and it's like, well, he's a vice president of the
United States. You know, he's been incredibly successful. He actually
looks great now. I think you would kick Gavin Newsom's
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ass in a fight. Not that that matters, but if
we're talking about this stuff, and every time they try
to do this clay it rings hollow. Every time they
try to go down the masculinity pathway, it rings hollow
because Democrats will tear down what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yes, and Gavin Newsom is almost sixty I was cool
in high school is not something that I think appeals
very much to people when they look at a sixty
year old. I think that men are not above criticism.
And this is why I look at the Zoron mom
Dami attempted bench press, and for those of you who
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don't know, one hundred and thirty five pounds is a
goal that a fourteen or fifteen year old boy who
is trying to play football would aspire to, right, I
think for people out there who don't know, one plate
on each side a forty five, which is the typical
top weight, is a goal that young young boys, I
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would say, maybe some of you out there haven't been
able to do it yet. I'd say, that's that's a
good goal. You want to be able to have at
least one plate. And then for you and me, I
bet it was when I'm you know, twenty years old
or nineteen or whatever I was, I want to get
two plates, right. I want to be able to do
to twenty five, which is a lot of way to
bench press. But if you ever go into a gym,
that is the goal. That's how most men and some women,
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but most men would progress. They'd say, I want to
get one plate on each side and then eventually play
and I.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Can both bench press to twenty five. And so for
any of you who are doubters or haters out there,
that video will be could be forthcoming very quickly. We
could both bench to twenty five. Okay, so before before
all the snark comes flying our way.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
But by the way, to be fair, don't know how
many reps on two twenty five I would get, but
I can definitely notice.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I said we can bench it. You can bench it,
I can bench it. We can both do to twenty
five as we're having this Momdanni conversation.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So when I look at it, I just think to myselves,
the criticism of men to me that I would give
is that men are not masculine enough, and that the
failure of masculinity is that men are not strong enough,
both mentally and physically to take on the responsibilities that
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we as men should. And so when I see someone
who is physically weak, like Mom Donnie, it doesn't make
me think, oh, this is someone who believes in strong men.
Is it symbolic? Yes? Are there people who are incredibly
weak that are very strong mentally? Certainly that occurs. But
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when you are thirty three years old, like Mom Donnie,
and it looks to me like you don't even know
how to hold a bench, hold the bar, you've never
been on a bench before, it is a sign I
think of weakness mentally and physically. When it comes to
the masculine idea, it all.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Ties in too with the ideology because victim ideology.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
That's not fair. Let's not compete, everybody gets a trophy.
You go down all of these thoughts all these talking points.
These Democrats embrace this stuff, right, Yes, everybody gets a trophy.
Competitiveness is wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Oh I'm a victim. My choices don't matter. I'm not accountable.
Other people hold me down. I'd be stronger, I'd be thinner,
I'd be smarter, I'd be more successful if somebody else,
somebody else wasn't doing what they're You know, this is
very central to the modern Democrat party ethos. And for
people to say, well, what about all the lib billionaires.
(26:37):
First of all, look at Jeff Bezos. Guy gets rich enough,
and you know he's taken enough steroids to uh, you know,
probably give a horse a heart attack, so you know
they want to be strong too in some cases. And
by the way, I think he's gotten a little bit
more right wing as he's gotten stronger, So I'm actually
all for it.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And and you look at which actually goes to your point,
which I think is well taken, that if you just
measured testoster own levels as testosterone goods up, Republican voting
becomes more likely. I think it would be.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I think it would be the one of the strongest
indicators if you did blood tests of every American man
walking into a voting booth. There would be some there
would be some exceptions. There would be I think particularly,
I think the correlation would break down among some minority
voters where it wouldn't you know it would. But I
think among among white men you would have probably a
(27:27):
pretty high you know, just because of the UH, I
think you'd have probably a pretty high correlation with low.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
T and voting Democrat. Yes, I think that is true.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I think that is true, and it might be true
of the broader mail populations. Well, I just have to
think about, you know, voting allegiance, cultural influences. There's other
things too. But if you just walk around and you
had a good sense as to what the average testosterone
level of a room is, I think you'll have a
pretty good a pretty good sense. Again it's not perfect,
but a pretty good sense about it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
About the politics, I tweeted that if you only allowed
people who could bench their body weight to vote Republicans,
who would win ninety five to five. I don't think
it would be close. Like if you just said, hey,
instead of being eighteen new rule, you have to be
able to bench your body weight to be able to vote.
I think it would be a massive Republican landslide.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, well, strength is something that and you know, generally
physical fitness, i'd say, but strength is something where you
either ken or you can't, and it forces you to
at least think in the real world better version of
can can someone kick your ass?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Or not?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
A lot of guys you sit down, and by the way,
you don't always know that's certainly the case, but.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Guys generally will think about this like if I had
to take this guy? Could I take this guy? It's
very right wing thought.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Left wing is not too race not to even engage,
I think, in this kind of thinking, and to assume
that the world does not revolve at some level around
these power dynamics and power relationships, which it still does,
even if the left and the collectivists don't want it to.
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All right, third hour of Clay and Bucks starts right now.
Thanks for being with us, everybody, and as promised, we
have this discussion that has gotten a lot of attention
in the press. I think a lot less attention just
from Main Street, from everyone all across the country trying
to keep up with the news. This has to do
(30:32):
with the Smithsonian specifically, but really museums more broadly, which
especially when you're talking about DC museums like the National
Portrait Gallery and have been filled with clay. What have
you been to any of these museums in recent years?
(30:52):
I have gone with you, I have not, so.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So this is what got me blown up by the left.
When we were up in DC, my son was doing
a two weekend internship. He is incredibly fascinated with space travel,
with science, with all of the sci fi related elements,
(31:15):
so I took him to the National Air and Space Museum.
So I was just up at the National Air and
Space Museum a couple of months ago when we were
in DC, and it was fantastic. And now back to
you on talking about the Smithsonian. But I will come
back and tell you exactly what my take was on it.
(31:35):
But you lived in DC. These are all free. I
imagine what percentage of the audience do you think out
there right now has ever been to a Smithsonian museum?
If you went to d C. You have been to
a Smithsonian museum. So I would think at least half
of the people listening to us right now, he's gonna
say twenty five percent, but a big chunk, A big chunk.
(31:56):
I grew up in New York City and I've never
been to the Statue of Liberty, So I mean, some
times crazy things happen, but I feel like if you
went to d C on a school trip or you
took your family at any point in your life, I
would venture most people who go to Washington, d C
Have been to at least one of the Smithsonians. Now,
has it been a while for me other than air
(32:16):
and space, Yes, But I think set the table for
what President Trump has said. And this is where it
all started.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Let's let's let's gather together on this one here for
a second. Trump White House has called for a review
of all current and future exhibitions at eight Smithsonian museums.
This has got some of the major art museums involved
as well. And this is because of quote a desired
(32:45):
or the quote starts with alignment with American ideals, a
desire to make sure they're aligned with American ideals. President
Trump truthed the following. The museums throughout Washington but all
over the country are essentially the last remaining segment of woke.
And there then the White House released a list of
(33:08):
US of museum exhibits that it found objectionable. Trump has
told his lawyers to go through museums and this is
the same thing of Earth colleges and universities. His administration
has sought changes, threatening funding cuts and even tax exempt status.
So the the left is of course very upset about this.
(33:28):
And the reason they're very upset about this is that
they want these institutions to reflect their view.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Remember there's no neutral space here. They want these to
reflect their view of American history, which means highlighting oppressed
and victimized people and more specifically highlighting the centerpiece of
American history, uh until the Industrial Revolution, clay and the
(33:56):
one and only thing that we're allowed to really think
a lot about is slavery.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And that is the.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Most, the single central, most important to highlight aspect of
American history, according to some of these museums. And and
there's a fight underway, and I think this, I think
this is a good thing. I think that Trump should
not allow the left wing nonsense to go without pushback
at this a traveling exhibition at the museum at the
(34:23):
Scottsdale Museum of Contemporary Art in Arizona, Clay was called transfeminisms.
This has and now they have changed.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
So so we're talking about some pretty radical left wing
stuff at museums in general, but at our national Museum,
Smithsonian Museum specifically. Here's a couple of headlines for you,
for yours truly after the take that I'm about to
share with you. Fox News pundit compare slavery to plane
crashes in absurd rant against the Smithsonian. Some of you
(34:56):
may have seen this, by the way, seen the actual
event going on Yahoo Sports with Yahoo Sorry regular with
a similar take saying not a substantial part of history.
The Fox News pundit compare slavery to plane crashes. Let's
(35:19):
see Yahoo says. Fox News pundit compare slavery to plane
crashes an absurd rant against the Smithsonian. Yahoo. All right,
here's what I said, and I bet you're going to
sign off on this too. Maybe some of you disagree,
I said, citing my trip to the Air and Space
Museum with my seventeen year old I said that when
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you go to the Air and Space Museum, it is
about the incredible human accomplishment of flight and space exploration.
We went through that whole place, Spirit of Saint Louis
front hanging from the ceiling, so many different The Right
Brothers plane from Kitty Hawk is there. Recreated the original,
one of the original versions. We spent an entire day there.
(36:03):
It was awesome. We went to the Imax theater. We
watched the movies that they were putting on there, one
about some of the challenges of space and time, the
other about the challenges associated If I remember correctly with
interstellar travel, right, I mean it is sci fi, it
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is history of flight and space exploration. There wasn't a
single exhibit about plane crashes or about people who died
trying to go to space. That doesn't mean that plane
crashes don't happen all the time, and that there aren't
dangers from aviation and space travel. And maybe at some
point in time they have a special exhibit for the challenger,
(36:47):
or they have a special exhibit maybe connected to nine
to eleven in some way. I don't know if they've
ever done that, But in general, I think the goal
of the Smithsonians is to make people feel better about
America and American life and to leave with an uplifting feeling. Now,
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there are other museums in Washington, DC that are directly
related to specific forms of trauma, the Holocaust Museum, for instance,
but by and large, to me, sites like the Air
and Space Museum should not be places where you go
and examine human failure and the wrongs that have been
(37:30):
perpetrated that have led to lack of success in space
travel or flight. To me, that's a very I think,
easy to understand and also normal emotional response that most
people would have. And so Trump is focused on the achievement,
and much of the left now is focused on American failure,
(37:52):
and that's really what this conversation is about.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Now.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
The administration highlighted a number of specific exhibits. I was
looking for this as to go, but I found it
and I can go through just a few of these.
So there was a exhibit on LGBTQ plus history at
the American History Museum.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, LGBTQ, that's not I would not sign off on
that in the American History Museum personally, Like, I don't
think that is necessary. Well, I mean the history of
LGBTQ plus it's got to go back only a couple
of years because they just came up with that acronym
a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I mean the plus was just added. So this is
very new. This is this is really contemporary, not not
actually history. And then you had this is the one
I think got the most attention from people, a painting
of immigrants crossing the Southern Border at the National Portrait Gallery.
So it's a very favorable depiction of an immigrant family
(38:53):
and you know, a baby that like it looks like
the baby Jesus or something that is crossing Trump Wall.
And they didn't, you know, they don't like that. You know,
by the way, that's illegal. What they're doing is a crime.
So it's interesting the way it's to pick that it's
actually illegal, but the way it's depicted it it's like
a great you know, leap forward in America's America's history
(39:16):
or it's past whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
There's a bunch of other ones, Latinos with disabilities, A
drawing of Anthony Fauci at the National Portrait Gallery. Fauci is, Yeah,
Fauci's a scumbag, so that's not good. So yeah, I agree,
I mean, I think this stuff is all very political.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I imagine if you had had at the National Portrait
Gallery they were putting up you know, they're putting up
paintings of like what a terrible dementia pation Biden was
and having them look really confused. I mean, you might
say that's a great painting book, I should do that,
but people would recognize that it's very partisan Clay. These
are very partisan things that are going up in these museums.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, and again, I think the idea is and I
think most of you would sign up off on this.
One reason that democrats popularity is in the tank is
because they focus on the failures of America almost exclusively.
They've got the Oppression Olympics all the time, the idea
that you cannot succeed, that America is a horribly racist,
(40:18):
irredeemable country with a sordid past. I mean, really, the
entire concept of the sixteen nineteen project, which The New
York Times got behind, among others, Nicole Hannah Jones I
believe was the history. I'm putting in quotation marks because
she's not actually much of a historian, but the idea
(40:38):
of the sixteen nineteen project was America's founding date is
actually when slavery began in the colonies, and not seventeen
seventy six, when America declared independence from Great Britain. And
so if you root American history and define it entirely
based on slavery, then you are able. This is the
(41:00):
goal to tear down anything that was created in that
era as illegitimate and depressive. So the Constitution doesn't have
to exist, the Declaration of Independence can be removed, All
of that can be torn down if you decide to
only focus on the sins of American history. What I
would say is six hundred thousand some odd people died
(41:24):
to win slavery. That seems pretty significant in the general
American consciousness. We should focus and celebrate successes over failures.
I think that's what our museum should do. Yeah, if you're.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Talking about combat fatalities in the Civil War, overwhelmingly it
was white men who died on both sides, but white
men who died on both sides, and it was their
price in blood that ended the institution of slavery, which
that always.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Seems to get left out of this.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yes, you know, that always seems to be left out
of the conversation. And there's a hatred I think of
americanness that the left indulges and really wants to propagate.
And we see it at the universities, and now we
see it through the and we saw it there with
the sixteen nineteen project the New York Times, and now
we see it through the institutions of museums. And enough
(42:16):
is enough. Let me ask you this claif what other
country would do this? Find to me another country. I mean,
the only thing you could maybe think of would be,
you know, German museums about Nazism, or you know the
way that Nazis are treated in German museums of World
War Two. But this idea that you're gonna have museums
that seek within a country, that seek to attack and
(42:39):
undermine the country from within, this is this is not
a common thing that the rest of the world would
engage in.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
And I also believe that what Trump sees is the
symbolism of tearing down statues isn't really about those individuals
who are having their statues torn down. It's in all
argument that the story of American history is one of
tragedy and one that we should be saddened by and
(43:08):
embarrassed by. And I think most of you out there
that our students of history recognize that all of us
are flawed, but that what we want to do is
celebrate the great moments of American triumph while acknowledging that
we don't always make the right decisions. The long range
history of America from its inception in seventeen seventy six
(43:28):
to the present day is one of the greatest country
in the history of the world, struggling, fighting, endeavoring to
become greater than it has been in the past. And
that's why I think Make America Great Again has such
a cultural resonance, because it's about making us all better
than we have been in the past and also returning
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us to some of the principles that made us so
foundationally dominant. And it would make sense that you would
then examine history to see what our kids are being taught,
because if they're being taught that America is a profoundly racist, awful,
oppressive country, then it's hard to have pride in the country.
And guess what, young people don't have a lot of
pride in the country. And when you don't have pride
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Clay, have you heard of the Rio Reset?
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Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck, it.
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Does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil.
The formal name is Bricks, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India,
China and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.
Smart move to stick with bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone. Well, that's an understatement.
Bricks is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase
their sway in the global financial order.
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Absolutely, he's been there since day one. In fact, a
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to Clay and Buck. As we said, Trump had a
meeting today with the President of South Korea and also
was just in the Oval Office addressing a whole range
of issues. One thing that came up. I didn't know
this was going to happen. I'm sure Trump had probably
tweeted or spoken about it recently, but truth about it.
(48:09):
Recently he spoke about the executive Order on burning flags.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
This is cut too. Listen in what the penalty is.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Going to be. If you burn a flag, you get
one year in jail, no early exits, no nothing. You
get one year in jail. If you burn a flag,
you get And what it does is insight to write
out they used that language. By the way, did that
insight to riot? And you burn a flag, you get
one year in jail. You don't get ten years. You
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don't get one month. You get one year in jail,
and it goes on your record. And you will see
flag burning stopping immediately, just like when I signed the
Statute and Monument Act. Ten years in jail. If you
heard any of our beautiful monuments, everybody left town. They
were gone. Never had a problem after that. It's pretty
amazing we stopped it. But there's this is something that's
(49:01):
I don't know, in a certain way, it's equally as important.
Some people say it's more important.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Okay, Clay, I know you want to dive in on
this one. And there's there's a lot too, a lot
to chew on with this. There is the Texas v.
Johnson nineteen eighty nine Supreme Court case that said that
this is a that flagbirning is a legal act. So
the Supreme Court weighed in on this very clearly. I mean,
they've said that this is this is legal, so I don't.
And then there's the issue of the executive order instead
(49:29):
of a congressional act to pass a statute. Right, executive
orders are not supposed to be in place of laws.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
It's supposed to be the.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Use of executive authority that either resides with the president
or given to the president buy an Act of Congress.
So that may be a challenge. I'm sure you got
some other ideas on that one too. One thing I
would say though about this, I don't think this is
going to last. Meaning, I don't think that this is
going to make its way into policy without the courts
(49:56):
stepping in. And I think I think he would lose
at the Supreme Court on this too. If it went
to the current Supreme Court, I don't think that he
would get a different result personally. Maybe I could be wrong,
and maybe that's where this ends up going at some point.
But Clay, the other thing is this, we live in
a country where burning burning some flags will get you
(50:20):
sent to prison because they say it's hate speech.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
That is wrong. It is part of the.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Left wing DEI communists reordering of our society. And whether
it's a you know, an LGBTQ mural on a street
that you're not allowed to drive too fast over, or
it's a trans flag somewhere, either flag burning is a
legal act of protected symbolic speech or it is not.
(50:47):
We cannot have a society where we pick and choose.
We cannot have Oh, you know, you light this on fire,
you go to prison. But you like that on fire?
Again as as symbolism, and there's no big you know,
light the American flag on fire, no big deal.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Look, I disagree with the President on this. I don't
think he has the constitutional authority to do it. I
understand the intent, but the Supreme Court has said you
can burn flags and American flags, and I think you
should be able to burn gay pride flags. I think
(51:21):
you should be able to burn trans celebration flag, state flags.
I wouldn't do it personally because I don't believe in
it on an individual level, but I believe that you
should have the right to make this statement. And so
as a First Amendment absolutist, I think the President is
(51:43):
wrong on this one. I don't think he has the
authority to do it with the executive order. Again, I
understand the intent, and I understand that it feels awful
to see someone burning the American flag. That doesn't mean
that I believe that should be considered a crime. Now
there are exceptions, right if the President did reference, Hey,
(52:05):
if you're trying to create a riotous environment, there are
context in which if you take somebody else's flag, right
yank it out of their hand and burn it, that
is different than purchasing a flag yourself and choosing to
burn it. But the Supreme Court has been pretty clear
on this. I think that this is a protected speech.
(52:26):
It is political speech, whether you agree with it or not.
And so look, I think if you remember producer Greg
probably remember his name. I think one of the great
iconic moments in was it Rick Monday. I think in
American sports is when a fan ran on the field
at Yankee Stadium and tried to burn a flag, and
(52:49):
Rick Monday, I believe, the center fielder for the Yankees,
ran and yanked the flag away before he could burn it.
I applaud that. I think that remember when we outside
Union Station we played audio, there was a guy who
saw flag burning and he grabbed it and ran with
it to try to prevent the flag from being burned.
I salute the bravery and patriotism in my opinion for
(53:12):
that occurring. Well, but again, I don't think the president
has the right to do it. And I don't think
we should ban flag burning.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
That though, then brings me to the hate speech thing,
which is just an end run on this, And you
have to be very careful with the left in this.
Say no, you're allowed, for example, you're allowed to burn
a Pride flag.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
No, actually you're.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
Really not, because if you burn the flag and there's
any other violation of statute. Let's say you take a
flag off of a poll and it's not yours, or
or you know, you've created an incendiary device in a
public square, or so they'll they'll find some way and
then they hit you with a hate crime enhancement. And
let me just say, I think hate crimes uh, I
(53:55):
don't view I think hate crimes are effectively the enhancements
you get from hate crimes just comes from some people
are considered to be a higher status of victim than
others for the same conduct or the same act. So
in principle, disagree with with hate crime enhancements. You know,
obviously I don't like hate crimes, but that's that's not
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the same thing as saying, you know, you've got these
people that have been arrested, for example, for for like
leaving a skid mark on a street because there's a
Pride mural there.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
It's a street.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, people can drive on a street and are get
do you get arrested for driving too fast in another
intersection and leaving some marks on something? No, then you
shouldn't be arrested for this. They play these games. They
want they want the law to protect certain classes and
that includes certain flag burning situations. And that has to stop.
That has to be there, you know, the Supreme Court
(54:49):
I think should take that up too and just say, look,
you can't play these games anymore where you have an
end run on the right to burn flags, or you know,
you have the sort of backdoor way of really punishing
some people and then everything else. The American flag, it's all.
This is completely fine to burn, burn as many as
you want. So man, I remember there was people still
(55:09):
think this is crazy when I say it. There were
students who held a flag burning on my campus in
college after nine to eleven Clay Yeah, a a you
know about I don't know, maybe eight students or something.
They were actually not from my college. This came out later.
They were from Hampshire down the road. But Hampshire is
such a I'm just being honest, an unseerious academic institution,
(55:29):
top to bottom, just the truth, just facts that they
came to AMers because they thought it would get the
more attention, and it did. Boston Globe wrote it up,
but you know, that mentality was there. It was, oh,
we're still burying people from nine to eleven or still
finding out you know, if anyone's where people's remains are,
let's have a big flag burning on campus. So you know,
I understand very much how it upsets people and how
(55:51):
it's it's a I'm with you in that I strongly
disagree with it. I just don't I think the president
doesn't have the authority here, and I don't see how
I don't have the authority.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
I don't even think it's a good idea to try
to start to make these designations. Again, I think you
should be able to burn legally the American flag, the
Israeli fat the flag, the Palestinian flag, any sort of
flag that has to do with any statement. By the way,
we're in college football season, a state flag, a flag
(56:21):
that is somehow in some way associated with anybody out there.
I think, again, to your point, you shouldn't be prosecuted
because you decide to drive over gay pride flags that
are on that are painted on the on the road, Like,
why is that a thing in the first place? You're
basically demanding or in some way putting it in the
(56:44):
context where you're going to be driving over it all
the time. I think you should be able to burn
a transflag, I think a gay rights flag, whatever you
want to burn. Again, I'm not saying I would do it,
but I don't like the idea of penalizing directly political speech,
and I think the Spring Court has been clear on this.
I don't think you have the ability to stop it.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
A guy in twenty nineteen, an American was given a
sentence of fifteen years for stealing a pride flag from
a church and burning it outside of a strip club. Now, anybody,
anybody who has any familiarity with how criminal law works
(57:29):
in general, a flag, I don't know what the flag?
What's the flag? I'm looking at a picture of it
right now. Flag was don't know fifty bucks? Did in
any other situation do you get? Do you get fifteen
years in prison for stealing something that's a fifty dollars item?
I don't think so?
Speaker 1 (57:45):
Okay? But is crazy. But the way they're able to
punish it to me there is they stole something and
then burned it.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
No, I understand, But then they pile bonkers. They pile
on top of that a hate crime enhancement. He's he
stole a flag. Stealing a flag should be a thing
that you can't do that gets you, you know what,
what is the value of the flag and it should
be treated like you know, in this case, it should
be treated like you stole a pair of shoes. Okay,
don't do that again. You know you have this on
(58:14):
your record. Fifteen years in prison class fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
People murder people look at fifteen years I murder people
look at absolutely absolutely insane. So you know this.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
But this is what I mean by they really LGBTQ
plus and the transagenda really became a state religion in
this country. And I don't mean like by state, I
mean big s state of the federal government and of
the apparatus, starting under the Obama years and then of
course really reaching its peak in the Biden years. And
it's madness. You know, I'm sorry, but like you know,
(58:47):
if you if someone if someone's gonna tell me they
have a right to stand, you know here in South
Florida and burn an American flag. I don't want to
hear that that if you burn a Pride flag you
go to prison.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
That's that's not that's not what you disagree. No, no, no,
I agree with all that. I just this may be
a first. I'm just going through mentions. I screwed up
a sports analogy, and I'm getting correct by this. So
I wanted to issue a correction. Rick Monday, center fielder
for the Cubs, and it was at Dodger Stadium in
(59:23):
nineteen seventy six. I thought the Yankees were involved. This
is before my time. I wasn't born yet. I know
the video as an iconic moment in sports, but I
got it. I got it.
Speaker 5 (59:34):
I whiffed on that one.
Speaker 3 (59:35):
So let's got to tell you. So I had to
don't play Clay. Clay's been hanging out with me too much.
He's like, you know, the Yankees, Red Sox, whatever, you know, save.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
Those teams that plays the ball. I don't know the
sports ball, they sports myology. It happens, it happens the
best of us.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Clay, don't worry about it, all right, will come in
take some of your calls and take some of your thought.
By the way, if you've got thoughts on the flag
burning thing, very curious for you to hear it. I
think this is a move by Trump at some First
of all, I think that he just passionately loves the
American flag and appreciates symbolism, and I think he deeply
believes this is the right thing for the country.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
So I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I just think he's going to run into procedural problems
with this, and I think the Supreme Courts weighed in
pretty clearly on this. So unless the Supreme Court is
going to overturn that previous decision, it's like, Okay, what
are we doing. But I also think it highlights this
pick and chew situation of well, some flags, you know,
you go to prison for if you burn, and we
all know this, Oh it's Stolenever, yeah, please, some flags
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Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. As we are rolling through
the Monday edition of the program. Many different stories afoot
that we will dive into during the course of today's program.
After a weekend where crime continues to plummet in Washington,
(00:22):
d C. And where sanity continues to prevail across most
of the landscape of this nation, Trump saying that he
may go into Chicago, Baltimore and other cities with high
violent crime rates, including getting into a war of words
(00:43):
with the governor of Maryland, Wesmore. We are talking also
about DC in particular, having gone now, I believe it
is either eleven or twelve days, depending on who is
bunting and where exactly. The definition of the beginning of
(01:04):
the mobilization in DC is going. Our friend at CNN,
Harry Enton says Democrat branding is about as popular as
the cracker barrel branding. We got Julane Maxwell audio American
flag burning a new executive order from Trump maybe one
of the first things that I've actually disagreed with him.
(01:25):
We'll see what Bucks take is on this as well.
And I'm getting attacked for my take on the Air
and Space Museum, which is probably not a sentence that
you expected would happen. All that and more, But we
began Trump in the Oval office, the president of South
Korea scheduled to visit with him. And this is what
Trump said just a few moments ago about the crime
(01:48):
situation in Washington, d C. This is cut three.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Everybody before me is happy what I'm doing. Most of
you won't say that because you're radical left. The newspapers
is so honest. The press is totally dishonest. But that's
all right. We've got used to it, and we wanted
a landslide, so they obviously.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Lost their power.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I mean, it's impossible to imagine that when you get
ninety seven percent negative stories, purposely negative stories, even though
you've done ninety seven percent positive things, that they could
think you could win an election in a landslide, winning
all seven think of it, all seven swing stays, winning
by the popular vote by millions of votes. We had
(02:29):
a fantastic The best is your districts. Out of three
thousand districts, I guess we won three thousand, five hundred.
We won two thousand, seven hundred and fifty. And they
won five hundred, and that's said to me the best
of all.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Okay, buck, It's becoming, i think, increasingly difficult to argue
that the surge of support for National Guard and DC
police and everything else is it having an impact. I
don't think it's totally arbitrary that we've gone eleven or
twelve days without a murder in the summer, something they
can't find a record of in DC going back decades. Obviously,
(03:08):
crime tends to skyrocket in the summer. Whether it's good,
people have more free time, kids are out of school.
All of that is when typical violence is at its
peak all over the nation. Kind of feels like Trump
may well have made his point in DC, and I
love the idea of going into Chicago, Baltimore, other cities
with high crime rates and trying to see, hey, can
(03:30):
we save some more lives.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
The street continues in DC, the harder it is for
those opposed to this to continue to oppose it without
looking like their pro murder, pro crime. There have been
a lot of people, I think, who in the media
have been chastened already by their response. They completely misunderstand
(03:53):
the mood of the American people. We went through this phase.
We went through the Soros DA BLM era, and we've
decided enough is enough. And by we, I mean a
solid majority of all of the American people. And that
is I think something that Democrats haven't figured out how
to handle politically. What do they do because to turn
(04:15):
around and face reality is to say that Republicans have
been right all along. To turn around and to accept
that the policies that we've been advocating for for years
not only would result in better numbers for crime, better streets,
better businesses, all that fewer dead people, something that everybody,
(04:39):
as we've discussed, should be able to get behind and
feel very pleased about. But I think Democrats continue to
have this problem, and it's they can't escape the radical left.
They can't escape the loud voices that were directing policy
and their party for years. And now here we are.
(05:00):
Here is Brandon Johnson, the mayor. You mentioned Chicago.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
How that could be next? Here is the mayor of Chicago.
This is cut eight play it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
What he is proposing it at this point would be
the most flagrant violation of our constitution in the twenty
first century. The city of Chicago does not need a
military occupation. That's not what we need. In fact, we've
been very clear about what we need. We need to
invest in people to ensure that we can build safe
and affordable communities.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He's just promising more communism, and really more communism rooted
in race instead of class. Invest in people. Yeah, tax
the people who are productive and earn more, squander that
money on useless government programs that do nothing for really anybody.
And when it comes to crime, and more of the same.
And so you have to ask yourself, if you live
(05:50):
in a place like Chicago Clay that had six hundred
and twenty one murders in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Three, do you want more of the same. That's what
the mayor is offering. I think it's become increasingly difficult
to defend the status quo. And I give President Trump
a lot of credit for changing the narrative here, because
it's been fairly easy for presidents to go into the
White House and just pretend that Washington, DC is all
(06:14):
fine and dandy around them, even though the violent crime
rate has been extraordinarily high. And Trump has already weighed
in on the mayor of Chicago. Remember, maybe it's bumped
up a bit since then. The mayor of Chicago had
a six percent approval rating in the city of Chicago.
I want to repeat that six is in five plus one.
(06:38):
I've never seen a mayoral approval rating that low. Everyone
hates this guy. I think the job he's done. If
we put my name on the do you think that
Mayor Sexton is doing a good job for I think
enough people would just be confused by the question that
I would get more than six percent by Chicago residents.
I mean, it's almost impossible to get six percent of
(07:00):
people approving of a political official that low, even with
there being a ton of people who've done awful jobs.
Here is Trump on Brandon Johnson. Remember Chicago actually managed
to get worse. They had Lorie Whitefoot, who was among
the worst mayors in the history of the COVID era,
and they will double down with awful They really did.
(07:21):
She lost, She lost in the primary to this guy.
Here is here is President Trump discussing that cut.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
For I watched as a very incompetent man from Chicago said, well,
what do they know? They only arrested nine people. I
said nine people. We didn't arrest nine people. We actually
arrested a total of well over one thousand people. We
took hundreds of guns away from young kids that were
throwing them around like it was candy. We apprehended the
scores of illegal aliens. We see dozens of illegal firearms.
(07:51):
There have been zero murders. It sounds sort of terrible
to say, it's embarrassing. I did this over the weekend.
I'm making a speech and I acted like I was
so proud as I said, We've had zero murders in
the last week, and some of these people are from
foreign countries. They said that doesn't sound so good, and
I said, well, it doesn't sound good, but Washington was
the most dangerous place in this country, and now you
(08:12):
know what, it's probably the safest place.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
In our contract.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I mean, it is pretty extraordinary, and I get it
data sets can be somewhat arbitrary, but I think it's
really hard as we sit at eleven or twelve days,
coming up on two weeks, coming through weekends when violence
tends to peak because people are out in the streets more,
I think it's really hard to argue that this lower
(08:38):
rate of violent crime is not directly connected to what
Trump has done every day, where the crime stays down.
It becomes harder as you get a larger data set.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I also think we should look to our distance south
a little bit here and give credit where it is due.
The president of El Salvador, Buquelee ran the experiment in
the most stark obvious possible terms. Al Salvador was a
(09:08):
top five and in one year, I think it clave
was per capita number one, per capita number one or
number two, murder capital as a nation of the world. Yes,
for you know, this doesn't include civil wars obviously, or
war right. This is criminal homicides inside of the borders
of a country that's still functioning as a country. But
it was pretty much the murder capital of the world
more or less. Now it's the safest country in Latin America,
(09:32):
the safest country in all of Latin America. And he
did this in a matter of years.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
What happened? What was the miracle? He said, you know what,
we know who the bad people are, and we're just
going to stop allowing them to do bad things, and
we're going to punish them and we're going to take
them out of broader society full stop. And look what
he did. The biggest, from the worst to the best
in all of Latin America. And now we look at
our American cities and we see places. You know, we
(09:58):
just talked about Chicago. What did I say, six hundred
murders in twenty twenty, Yes, fifty more murders the New
York City, which has four times the people, so fifty
percent more homicides one fourth of the population.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's okay. The Chicago, the Chicago political establishment thinks that
that's an acceptable situation.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
My host Salvador, no doubt, my home state of Memphis,
the city here in my home state had more murders
than New York City.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Think about how.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Gay straight up right had had to head comparison to head,
head to head in recent years, Memphis, Tennessee had more
murders than New York City. How is that acceptable? Again?
I've said if I were governor, I would follow the
lead of Trump. I would send in the state National Guard.
I would make this end. And I think what did
I say when we started this that it was an
interesting test case. And we talked about this buck We said,
(10:52):
if it works, it's going to prove that there just
hasn't been the will to drive down violent crime. And
now that the violent crime is going down, and you're
using Washington, d C as a test case. This is
where I got attacked for saying, hey, this is a
really good opportunity to see if it works, that if
it does, it should spread. And I never thought that
(11:12):
I would get attacked in the media for saying, hey,
let's drive down the murder rate, let's save more lives.
I did. But Trump is actually just saying I'm not
going to stand for this. And I do think it's
connected to the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of Washington,
d C. But more than that, I think Trump wants
d C to be a jewel of America. I saw
where he's going to ask for more money to basically
(11:35):
retrofit and rehabilitate many of the great parks in d
C to make it a true diamond of American life.
And so how d.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
D C as a place as a location, maybe not
so much in the summertime, is a beautiful place, and
there should be something aspirational when children from Oklahoma and
Washington State and you know, and Illinois and you name it,
southern California, when they go to d C on that
school trip, which I know so many of you everyone
(12:08):
should think, Wow, what an incredible jewel of a city
with so much history and gorgeous architecture and clean, safe streets.
This stuff matters. This stuff matters, And I think that
Trump is I love this. I think this is a
fantastic idea, and I hope that he continues. Clay, no doubt,
(12:30):
but boy, we had some fun. Did you see as
we go to break here?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Did you see mom Donnie try to bench press one
hundred and thirty five pounds? I did? I did. We
should talk about it. We'll have some fun with that
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(14:49):
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and that hopefully will be sometime after the first of
the year. But in the meantime, we are coming up
on the end of summer and the Democrat Party is
not doing itself any favors we have. What I would
(15:09):
say is, I think you'd probably sign off on this, Buck,
as we get close to Labor Day being officially up, honest,
three major elections to kind of pay attention to. Uh,
We've got the governor of Virginia, We've got the governor
of New Jersey. Both of those are traditionally I think
it's fair to say now blue states. We'll see how
(15:33):
Republicans are able to battle there. And then we have
the New York City mayor's race where Zorn Mamdami is
Mamdanni is the Democrat nominee. You still got Andrew Cuomo in,
you still got Eric Adams in, and you've still got
Curtis Leewa in. And basically every day Mom Donnie continues
(15:54):
to create more space between him and the other candidates.
At least if you use the prediction markets, he's nearly
a ninety percent chance now to be elected the next
mayor of New York City. And we're going to get
into Mom Donnie and his overall actual physical weakness. But
(16:18):
Harry Inton, who actually shares, I have to give credit
to CNN pretty interesting data on a regular basis, kind
of diving into what the numbers say. He wanted to
put into context how the Democrat Party looked, and he
kind of made an analogy with the cracker barrel rebrand.
(16:40):
And this is what it sounded like.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
The Democratic brand right now has about the appeal with
the American voter as the cracker barrel rebrand has with
the American consumers.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Bad, bad, bad.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
What are we talking about here in terms of big
party registration changes in the key swing states? Look at
this the Republican party gains and party registration compare to
this point. Back in twenty seventeen during the Trump first administration.
In Arizona, you got a Republican gain of three points. Okay,
how about Nevada a gain of six points. How about again,
we come to the east coast North Carolina, a gain
(17:12):
of eight points for the Republicans, and in the Keystone State,
in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, again we're talking about a
gain of eight points, my goodness, gracious for Republicans. They
are converting old former Democrats to their side of the
ledger as well as picking up new voters.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So all of the data we talked about this from
the New York Times showing that all of this is
moving in a very positive direction. And so much of
this has to do with failure to appeal to young men.
And we mentioned this in the first hour, and you
might say, Okay, I don't particularly care about this, This
(17:49):
doesn't have anything to do with policy. Why would you
even focus on it? Mom. Donnie over the weekend decided
to hop on a bench press at a public event
and he was unable to do I went back and
looked at the pictures. It is forty five pound plates
on each side and a bar traditionally one hundred and
(18:12):
thirty five pounds. He couldn't do it one time. And
I understand some of you may never have been in
a gym, you may never have laid down on a
bench press, you may never have done it at all.
I do think this is emblematic of why young men
are just completely rejecting the Democrat party. I'll give you
(18:34):
a story on this buck Yesterday, my fourteen year old,
he's a ninth grader, came home and he had been
with a friend over the weekend and he said, Dad,
I just got one hundred and fifty five one time
on my bench press And he was so excited about it,
and you know, I gave him a high five, as
(18:54):
dads do. He's playing football, he wants to lift, he
wants to get stronger. All of his friends see saying
someone is a Democrat as an insult. These are kids
from all different backgrounds, and I do think that this
inability to just connect with normal men is emblematic of
(19:16):
Zorron Mundami's inability to bingch Am I making too much
of this, or do you think it's a symbol of
Democrat weakness and also just an inability to understand average
male voters. That is incredible weakness.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
No, it took some time for it really to sink
in what the Democrat ideology and the talking points the
orthodoxy was around things like toxic toxic masculinity. Remember I
had this discussion on the Bill mahershow right before the election,
(19:52):
where I said Trump is going to win and this
is why, and this is one of the reasons why.
Sure enough, that was all correct, even though I would
say the audience actually didn't boo. Well, remember we went
back and watched this again. The audience is willing to
hear it out because I think that they realized some
of them knew at least the train that was coming
down the tracks. Uh, and the Trump train was already
going too too. I mean it was on the way
(20:12):
at that point. It was October's right before the election.
But Clay that we talked about, you know, toxic masculinity
and and masculinity in general. First of all, I remember
one of the other panelists there, maybe it is still
maybe still has a job at CNN.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I don't know. I've been quite honest with you. I
don't think so, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Maybe here's as a contributor there, and she said, why
are we talking about man?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
We should be talking about women of minorities. Basically, it's like, well,
the topic is masculinity, so you know if that topic
we can talk about completely expected right that she would
immediately say, I don't know why we're talking, Yeah, why
are you talking about this? Well, it's the topic. And
and then and then when I try to get into it,
I said, if you.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Look at masculine virtues, you're not allowed to talk about
masculine virtues as a democrat, and Democrats are not allowed
to say. You can't say things like courage, bravery, because
I'll say, what do you mean women have that too?
It's like, okay, yeah, but we're trying to, you know,
we're trying to look at what is.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
True generally genetically about men and women in the aggregate, and.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Fundamentally, men and women are different. And this is what
the Democrat Party decided they were going to just they
were going to destroy this difference. They were going to
destroy it with the trans issue, but also more generally,
they were going to destroy it. Women should conduct themselves
like men, should pursue the same ends as men, should
have the same life aspirations as men. And you know,
(21:33):
this is where you can get into the It's fine
if a woman doesn't want to have a family, of course,
It's fine if a woman wants to choose a career first,
of course, and they should have that full right to do.
But as a society, generally speaking, some things tend to
be true about men and women, about the careers they choose,
about the hours they put in, about the and it's
(21:55):
okay to promote that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's okay to say, hey, this is actually good.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Thing for men to do, or this is a good
thing for women to do in general, and Democrats ran
ran against all of that, and you find you find
yourself thinking, you know, they also just they got rid
of a lot of the words that you would use
to describe wimpy men or wimpy mans. You know, I
don't even really know how you're supposed to talk about
this anymore, but this is this is where they found
(22:21):
themselves as as a party, and they won't walk back
from this. They're starting to try. I said, Gavin Newsom
is putting out like he put out. Okay, here's the
perfect example. Gavin Newsom put out or his team put
out same thing. A photo, right, you saw this clay
of him in high school. Yeah, Like he's got like
a long scarf on, he's got like, you know, slick hair,
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and he's like hey, and you know, and Jadie Vance
looking a little bit like a dufus. But you know,
is high school and a lot of us look like
dufus Is in high school. And the whole thing I
guess is like, I'm like, handsome, cool Gavin Newsom unlike
this guy who was like a dork in high school,
and it's like, well, he's a vice president of the
United States. You know, he's been incredibly successful. He actually
looks great now. I think you would kick Gavin Newsom's
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ass in a fight. Not that that matters, but if
we're talking about this stuff, and every time they try
to do this clay it rings hollow. Every time they
try to go down the masculinity pathway, it rings hollow
because Democrats will tear down what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yes, and Gavin Newsom is almost sixty I was cool
in high school is not something that I think appeals
very much to people when they look at a sixty
year old. I think that men are not above criticism.
And this is why I look at the Zoron mom
Dami attempted bench press, and for those of you who
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don't know, one hundred and thirty five pounds is a
goal that a fourteen or fifteen year old boy who
is trying to play football would aspire to, right, I
think for people out there who don't know, one plate
on each side a forty five, which is the typical
top weight, is a goal that young young boys, I
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would say, maybe some of you out there haven't been
able to do it yet. I'd say, that's that's a
good goal. You want to be able to have at
least one plate. And then for you and me, I
bet it was when I'm you know, twenty years old
or nineteen or whatever I was, I want to get
two plates, right. I want to be able to do
to twenty five, which is a lot of way to
bench press. But if you ever go into a gym,
that is the goal. That's how most men and some women,
(24:23):
but most men would progress. They'd say, I want to
get one plate on each side and then eventually play
and I.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Can both bench press to twenty five. And so for
any of you who are doubters or haters out there,
that video will be could be forthcoming very quickly. We
could both bench to twenty five. Okay, so before before
all the snark comes flying our way.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
But by the way, to be fair, don't know how
many reps on two twenty five I would get, but
I can definitely notice.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I said we can bench it. You can bench it,
I can bench it. We can both do to twenty
five as we're having this Momdanni conversation.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So when I look at it, I just think to myselves,
the criticism of men to me that I would give
is that men are not masculine enough, and that the
failure of masculinity is that men are not strong enough,
both mentally and physically to take on the responsibilities that
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we as men should. And so when I see someone
who is physically weak, like Mom Donnie, it doesn't make
me think, oh, this is someone who believes in strong men.
Is it symbolic? Yes? Are there people who are incredibly
weak that are very strong mentally? Certainly that occurs. But
(25:38):
when you are thirty three years old, like Mom Donnie,
and it looks to me like you don't even know
how to hold a bench, hold the bar, you've never
been on a bench before, it is a sign I
think of weakness mentally and physically. When it comes to
the masculine idea, it all.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Ties in too with the ideology because victim ideology.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
That's not fair. Let's not compete, everybody gets a trophy.
You go down all of these thoughts all these talking points.
These Democrats embrace this stuff, right, Yes, everybody gets a trophy.
Competitiveness is wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Oh I'm a victim. My choices don't matter. I'm not accountable.
Other people hold me down. I'd be stronger, I'd be thinner,
I'd be smarter, I'd be more successful if somebody else,
somebody else wasn't doing what they're You know, this is
very central to the modern Democrat party ethos. And for
people to say, well, what about all the lib billionaires.
(26:37):
First of all, look at Jeff Bezos. Guy gets rich enough,
and you know he's taken enough steroids to uh, you know,
probably give a horse a heart attack, so you know
they want to be strong too in some cases. And
by the way, I think he's gotten a little bit
more right wing as he's gotten stronger, So I'm actually
all for it.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And and you look at which actually goes to your point,
which I think is well taken, that if you just
measured testoster own levels as testosterone goods up, Republican voting
becomes more likely. I think it would be.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I think it would be the one of the strongest
indicators if you did blood tests of every American man
walking into a voting booth. There would be some there
would be some exceptions. There would be I think particularly,
I think the correlation would break down among some minority
voters where it wouldn't you know it would. But I
think among among white men you would have probably a
(27:27):
pretty high you know, just because of the UH, I
think you'd have probably a pretty high correlation with low.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
T and voting Democrat. Yes, I think that is true.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I think that is true, and it might be true
of the broader mail populations. Well, I just have to
think about, you know, voting allegiance, cultural influences. There's other
things too. But if you just walk around and you
had a good sense as to what the average testosterone
level of a room is, I think you'll have a
pretty good a pretty good sense. Again it's not perfect,
but a pretty good sense about it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
About the politics, I tweeted that if you only allowed
people who could bench their body weight to vote Republicans,
who would win ninety five to five. I don't think
it would be close. Like if you just said, hey,
instead of being eighteen new rule, you have to be
able to bench your body weight to be able to vote.
I think it would be a massive Republican landslide.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, well, strength is something that and you know, generally
physical fitness, i'd say, but strength is something where you
either ken or you can't, and it forces you to
at least think in the real world better version of
can can someone kick your ass?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Or not?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
A lot of guys you sit down, and by the way,
you don't always know that's certainly the case, but.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Guys generally will think about this like if I had
to take this guy? Could I take this guy? It's
very right wing thought.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Left wing is not too race not to even engage,
I think, in this kind of thinking, and to assume
that the world does not revolve at some level around
these power dynamics and power relationships, which it still does,
even if the left and the collectivists don't want it to.
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All right, third hour of Clay and Bucks starts right now.
Thanks for being with us, everybody, and as promised, we
have this discussion that has gotten a lot of attention
in the press. I think a lot less attention just
from Main Street, from everyone all across the country trying
to keep up with the news. This has to do
(30:32):
with the Smithsonian specifically, but really museums more broadly, which
especially when you're talking about DC museums like the National
Portrait Gallery and have been filled with clay. What have
you been to any of these museums in recent years?
(30:52):
I have gone with you, I have not, so.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So this is what got me blown up by the left.
When we were up in DC, my son was doing
a two weekend internship. He is incredibly fascinated with space travel,
with science, with all of the sci fi related elements,
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so I took him to the National Air and Space Museum.
So I was just up at the National Air and
Space Museum a couple of months ago when we were
in DC, and it was fantastic. And now back to
you on talking about the Smithsonian. But I will come
back and tell you exactly what my take was on it.
(31:35):
But you lived in DC. These are all free. I
imagine what percentage of the audience do you think out
there right now has ever been to a Smithsonian museum?
If you went to d C. You have been to
a Smithsonian museum. So I would think at least half
of the people listening to us right now, he's gonna
say twenty five percent, but a big chunk, A big chunk.
(31:56):
I grew up in New York City and I've never
been to the Statue of Liberty, So I mean, some
times crazy things happen, but I feel like if you
went to d C on a school trip or you
took your family at any point in your life, I
would venture most people who go to Washington, d C
Have been to at least one of the Smithsonians. Now,
has it been a while for me other than air
(32:16):
and space, Yes, But I think set the table for
what President Trump has said. And this is where it
all started.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Let's let's let's gather together on this one here for
a second. Trump White House has called for a review
of all current and future exhibitions at eight Smithsonian museums.
This has got some of the major art museums involved
as well. And this is because of quote a desired
(32:45):
or the quote starts with alignment with American ideals, a
desire to make sure they're aligned with American ideals. President
Trump truthed the following. The museums throughout Washington but all
over the country are essentially the last remaining segment of woke.
And there then the White House released a list of
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US of museum exhibits that it found objectionable. Trump has
told his lawyers to go through museums and this is
the same thing of Earth colleges and universities. His administration
has sought changes, threatening funding cuts and even tax exempt status.
So the the left is of course very upset about this.
(33:28):
And the reason they're very upset about this is that
they want these institutions to reflect their view.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Remember there's no neutral space here. They want these to
reflect their view of American history, which means highlighting oppressed
and victimized people and more specifically highlighting the centerpiece of
American history, uh until the Industrial Revolution, clay and the
(33:56):
one and only thing that we're allowed to really think
a lot about is slavery.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And that is the.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Most, the single central, most important to highlight aspect of
American history, according to some of these museums. And and
there's a fight underway, and I think this, I think
this is a good thing. I think that Trump should
not allow the left wing nonsense to go without pushback
at this a traveling exhibition at the museum at the
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Scottsdale Museum of Contemporary Art in Arizona, Clay was called transfeminisms.
This has and now they have changed.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
So so we're talking about some pretty radical left wing
stuff at museums in general, but at our national Museum,
Smithsonian Museum specifically. Here's a couple of headlines for you,
for yours truly after the take that I'm about to
share with you. Fox News pundit compare slavery to plane
crashes in absurd rant against the Smithsonian. Some of you
(34:56):
may have seen this, by the way, seen the actual
event going on Yahoo Sports with Yahoo Sorry regular with
a similar take saying not a substantial part of history.
The Fox News pundit compare slavery to plane crashes. Let's
(35:19):
see Yahoo says. Fox News pundit compare slavery to plane
crashes an absurd rant against the Smithsonian. Yahoo. All right,
here's what I said, and I bet you're going to
sign off on this too. Maybe some of you disagree,
I said, citing my trip to the Air and Space
Museum with my seventeen year old I said that when
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you go to the Air and Space Museum, it is
about the incredible human accomplishment of flight and space exploration.
We went through that whole place, Spirit of Saint Louis
front hanging from the ceiling, so many different The Right
Brothers plane from Kitty Hawk is there. Recreated the original,
one of the original versions. We spent an entire day there.
(36:03):
It was awesome. We went to the Imax theater. We
watched the movies that they were putting on there, one
about some of the challenges of space and time, the
other about the challenges associated If I remember correctly with
interstellar travel, right, I mean it is sci fi, it
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is history of flight and space exploration. There wasn't a
single exhibit about plane crashes or about people who died
trying to go to space. That doesn't mean that plane
crashes don't happen all the time, and that there aren't
dangers from aviation and space travel. And maybe at some
point in time they have a special exhibit for the challenger,
(36:47):
or they have a special exhibit maybe connected to nine
to eleven in some way. I don't know if they've
ever done that, But in general, I think the goal
of the Smithsonians is to make people feel better about
America and American life and to leave with an uplifting feeling. Now,
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there are other museums in Washington, DC that are directly
related to specific forms of trauma, the Holocaust Museum, for instance,
but by and large, to me, sites like the Air
and Space Museum should not be places where you go
and examine human failure and the wrongs that have been
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perpetrated that have led to lack of success in space
travel or flight. To me, that's a very I think,
easy to understand and also normal emotional response that most
people would have. And so Trump is focused on the achievement,
and much of the left now is focused on American failure,
(37:52):
and that's really what this conversation is about.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Now.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
The administration highlighted a number of specific exhibits. I was
looking for this as to go, but I found it
and I can go through just a few of these.
So there was a exhibit on LGBTQ plus history at
the American History Museum.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, LGBTQ, that's not I would not sign off on
that in the American History Museum personally, Like, I don't
think that is necessary. Well, I mean the history of
LGBTQ plus it's got to go back only a couple
of years because they just came up with that acronym
a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I mean the plus was just added. So this is
very new. This is this is really contemporary, not not
actually history. And then you had this is the one
I think got the most attention from people, a painting
of immigrants crossing the Southern Border at the National Portrait Gallery.
So it's a very favorable depiction of an immigrant family
(38:53):
and you know, a baby that like it looks like
the baby Jesus or something that is crossing Trump Wall.
And they didn't, you know, they don't like that. You know,
by the way, that's illegal. What they're doing is a crime.
So it's interesting the way it's to pick that it's
actually illegal, but the way it's depicted it it's like
a great you know, leap forward in America's America's history
(39:16):
or it's past whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
There's a bunch of other ones, Latinos with disabilities, A
drawing of Anthony Fauci at the National Portrait Gallery. Fauci is, Yeah,
Fauci's a scumbag, so that's not good. So yeah, I agree,
I mean, I think this stuff is all very political.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I imagine if you had had at the National Portrait
Gallery they were putting up you know, they're putting up
paintings of like what a terrible dementia pation Biden was
and having them look really confused. I mean, you might
say that's a great painting book, I should do that,
but people would recognize that it's very partisan Clay. These
are very partisan things that are going up in these museums.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, and again, I think the idea is and I
think most of you would sign up off on this.
One reason that democrats popularity is in the tank is
because they focus on the failures of America almost exclusively.
They've got the Oppression Olympics all the time, the idea
that you cannot succeed, that America is a horribly racist,
(40:18):
irredeemable country with a sordid past. I mean, really, the
entire concept of the sixteen nineteen project, which The New
York Times got behind, among others, Nicole Hannah Jones I
believe was the history. I'm putting in quotation marks because
she's not actually much of a historian, but the idea
(40:38):
of the sixteen nineteen project was America's founding date is
actually when slavery began in the colonies, and not seventeen
seventy six, when America declared independence from Great Britain. And
so if you root American history and define it entirely
based on slavery, then you are able. This is the
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goal to tear down anything that was created in that
era as illegitimate and depressive. So the Constitution doesn't have
to exist, the Declaration of Independence can be removed, All
of that can be torn down if you decide to
only focus on the sins of American history. What I
would say is six hundred thousand some odd people died
(41:24):
to win slavery. That seems pretty significant in the general
American consciousness. We should focus and celebrate successes over failures.
I think that's what our museum should do. Yeah, if you're.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Talking about combat fatalities in the Civil War, overwhelmingly it
was white men who died on both sides, but white
men who died on both sides, and it was their
price in blood that ended the institution of slavery, which
that always.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Seems to get left out of this.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yes, you know, that always seems to be left out
of the conversation. And there's a hatred I think of
americanness that the left indulges and really wants to propagate.
And we see it at the universities, and now we
see it through the and we saw it there with
the sixteen nineteen project the New York Times, and now
we see it through the institutions of museums. And enough
(42:16):
is enough. Let me ask you this claif what other
country would do this? Find to me another country. I mean,
the only thing you could maybe think of would be,
you know, German museums about Nazism, or you know the
way that Nazis are treated in German museums of World
War Two. But this idea that you're gonna have museums
that seek within a country, that seek to attack and
(42:39):
undermine the country from within, this is this is not
a common thing that the rest of the world would
engage in.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
And I also believe that what Trump sees is the
symbolism of tearing down statues isn't really about those individuals
who are having their statues torn down. It's in all
argument that the story of American history is one of
tragedy and one that we should be saddened by and
(43:08):
embarrassed by. And I think most of you out there
that our students of history recognize that all of us
are flawed, but that what we want to do is
celebrate the great moments of American triumph while acknowledging that
we don't always make the right decisions. The long range
history of America from its inception in seventeen seventy six
(43:28):
to the present day is one of the greatest country
in the history of the world, struggling, fighting, endeavoring to
become greater than it has been in the past. And
that's why I think Make America Great Again has such
a cultural resonance, because it's about making us all better
than we have been in the past and also returning
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us to some of the principles that made us so
foundationally dominant. And it would make sense that you would
then examine history to see what our kids are being taught,
because if they're being taught that America is a profoundly racist, awful,
oppressive country, then it's hard to have pride in the country.
And guess what, young people don't have a lot of
pride in the country. And when you don't have pride
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Clay, have you heard of the Rio Reset?
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Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck, it.
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Does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil.
The formal name is Bricks, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India,
China and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.
Smart move to stick with bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone. Well, that's an understatement.
Bricks is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase
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Absolutely, he's been there since day one. In fact, a
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to Clay and Buck. As we said, Trump had a
meeting today with the President of South Korea and also
was just in the Oval Office addressing a whole range
of issues. One thing that came up. I didn't know
this was going to happen. I'm sure Trump had probably
tweeted or spoken about it recently, but truth about it.
(48:09):
Recently he spoke about the executive Order on burning flags.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
This is cut too. Listen in what the penalty is.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Going to be. If you burn a flag, you get
one year in jail, no early exits, no nothing. You
get one year in jail. If you burn a flag,
you get And what it does is insight to write
out they used that language. By the way, did that
insight to riot? And you burn a flag, you get
one year in jail. You don't get ten years. You
(48:39):
don't get one month. You get one year in jail,
and it goes on your record. And you will see
flag burning stopping immediately, just like when I signed the
Statute and Monument Act. Ten years in jail. If you
heard any of our beautiful monuments, everybody left town. They
were gone. Never had a problem after that. It's pretty
amazing we stopped it. But there's this is something that's
(49:01):
I don't know, in a certain way, it's equally as important.
Some people say it's more important.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Okay, Clay, I know you want to dive in on
this one. And there's there's a lot too, a lot
to chew on with this. There is the Texas v.
Johnson nineteen eighty nine Supreme Court case that said that
this is a that flagbirning is a legal act. So
the Supreme Court weighed in on this very clearly. I mean,
they've said that this is this is legal, so I don't.
And then there's the issue of the executive order instead
(49:29):
of a congressional act to pass a statute. Right, executive
orders are not supposed to be in place of laws.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
It's supposed to be the.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Use of executive authority that either resides with the president
or given to the president buy an Act of Congress.
So that may be a challenge. I'm sure you got
some other ideas on that one too. One thing I
would say though about this, I don't think this is
going to last. Meaning, I don't think that this is
going to make its way into policy without the courts
(49:56):
stepping in. And I think I think he would lose
at the Supreme Court on this too. If it went
to the current Supreme Court, I don't think that he
would get a different result personally. Maybe I could be wrong,
and maybe that's where this ends up going at some point.
But Clay, the other thing is this, we live in
a country where burning burning some flags will get you
(50:20):
sent to prison because they say it's hate speech.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
That is wrong. It is part of the.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Left wing DEI communists reordering of our society. And whether
it's a you know, an LGBTQ mural on a street
that you're not allowed to drive too fast over, or
it's a trans flag somewhere, either flag burning is a
legal act of protected symbolic speech or it is not.
(50:47):
We cannot have a society where we pick and choose.
We cannot have Oh, you know, you light this on fire,
you go to prison. But you like that on fire?
Again as as symbolism, and there's no big you know,
light the American flag on fire, no big deal.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Look, I disagree with the President on this. I don't
think he has the constitutional authority to do it. I
understand the intent, but the Supreme Court has said you
can burn flags and American flags, and I think you
should be able to burn gay pride flags. I think
(51:21):
you should be able to burn trans celebration flag, state flags.
I wouldn't do it personally because I don't believe in
it on an individual level, but I believe that you
should have the right to make this statement. And so
as a First Amendment absolutist, I think the President is
(51:43):
wrong on this one. I don't think he has the
authority to do it with the executive order. Again, I
understand the intent, and I understand that it feels awful
to see someone burning the American flag. That doesn't mean
that I believe that should be considered a crime. Now
there are exceptions, right if the President did reference, Hey,
(52:05):
if you're trying to create a riotous environment, there are
context in which if you take somebody else's flag, right
yank it out of their hand and burn it, that
is different than purchasing a flag yourself and choosing to
burn it. But the Supreme Court has been pretty clear
on this. I think that this is a protected speech.
(52:26):
It is political speech, whether you agree with it or not.
And so look, I think if you remember producer Greg
probably remember his name. I think one of the great
iconic moments in was it Rick Monday. I think in
American sports is when a fan ran on the field
at Yankee Stadium and tried to burn a flag, and
(52:49):
Rick Monday, I believe, the center fielder for the Yankees,
ran and yanked the flag away before he could burn it.
I applaud that. I think that remember when we outside
Union Station we played audio, there was a guy who
saw flag burning and he grabbed it and ran with
it to try to prevent the flag from being burned.
I salute the bravery and patriotism in my opinion for
(53:12):
that occurring. Well, but again, I don't think the president
has the right to do it. And I don't think
we should ban flag burning.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
That though, then brings me to the hate speech thing,
which is just an end run on this, And you
have to be very careful with the left in this.
Say no, you're allowed, for example, you're allowed to burn
a Pride flag.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
No, actually you're.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
Really not, because if you burn the flag and there's
any other violation of statute. Let's say you take a
flag off of a poll and it's not yours, or
or you know, you've created an incendiary device in a
public square, or so they'll they'll find some way and
then they hit you with a hate crime enhancement. And
let me just say, I think hate crimes uh, I
(53:55):
don't view I think hate crimes are effectively the enhancements
you get from hate crimes just comes from some people
are considered to be a higher status of victim than
others for the same conduct or the same act. So
in principle, disagree with with hate crime enhancements. You know,
obviously I don't like hate crimes, but that's that's not
(54:16):
the same thing as saying, you know, you've got these
people that have been arrested, for example, for for like
leaving a skid mark on a street because there's a
Pride mural there.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
It's a street.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, people can drive on a street and are get
do you get arrested for driving too fast in another
intersection and leaving some marks on something? No, then you
shouldn't be arrested for this. They play these games. They
want they want the law to protect certain classes and
that includes certain flag burning situations. And that has to stop.
That has to be there, you know, the Supreme Court
(54:49):
I think should take that up too and just say, look,
you can't play these games anymore where you have an
end run on the right to burn flags, or you know,
you have the sort of backdoor way of really punishing
some people and then everything else. The American flag, it's all.
This is completely fine to burn, burn as many as
you want. So man, I remember there was people still
(55:09):
think this is crazy when I say it. There were
students who held a flag burning on my campus in
college after nine to eleven Clay Yeah, a a you
know about I don't know, maybe eight students or something.
They were actually not from my college. This came out later.
They were from Hampshire down the road. But Hampshire is
such a I'm just being honest, an unseerious academic institution,
(55:29):
top to bottom, just the truth, just facts that they
came to AMers because they thought it would get the
more attention, and it did. Boston Globe wrote it up,
but you know, that mentality was there. It was, oh,
we're still burying people from nine to eleven or still
finding out you know, if anyone's where people's remains are,
let's have a big flag burning on campus. So you know,
I understand very much how it upsets people and how
(55:51):
it's it's a I'm with you in that I strongly
disagree with it. I just don't I think the president
doesn't have the authority here, and I don't see how
I don't have the authority.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
I don't even think it's a good idea to try
to start to make these designations. Again, I think you
should be able to burn legally the American flag, the
Israeli fat the flag, the Palestinian flag, any sort of
flag that has to do with any statement. By the way,
we're in college football season, a state flag, a flag
(56:21):
that is somehow in some way associated with anybody out there.
I think, again, to your point, you shouldn't be prosecuted
because you decide to drive over gay pride flags that
are on that are painted on the on the road, Like,
why is that a thing in the first place? You're
basically demanding or in some way putting it in the
(56:44):
context where you're going to be driving over it all
the time. I think you should be able to burn
a transflag, I think a gay rights flag, whatever you
want to burn. Again, I'm not saying I would do it,
but I don't like the idea of penalizing directly political speech,
and I think the Spring Court has been clear on this.
I don't think you have the ability to stop it.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
A guy in twenty nineteen, an American was given a
sentence of fifteen years for stealing a pride flag from
a church and burning it outside of a strip club. Now, anybody,
anybody who has any familiarity with how criminal law works
(57:29):
in general, a flag, I don't know what the flag?
What's the flag? I'm looking at a picture of it
right now. Flag was don't know fifty bucks? Did in
any other situation do you get? Do you get fifteen
years in prison for stealing something that's a fifty dollars item?
I don't think so?
Speaker 1 (57:45):
Okay? But is crazy. But the way they're able to
punish it to me there is they stole something and
then burned it.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
No, I understand, But then they pile bonkers. They pile
on top of that a hate crime enhancement. He's he
stole a flag. Stealing a flag should be a thing
that you can't do that gets you, you know what,
what is the value of the flag and it should
be treated like you know, in this case, it should
be treated like you stole a pair of shoes. Okay,
don't do that again. You know you have this on
(58:14):
your record. Fifteen years in prison class fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
People murder people look at fifteen years I murder people
look at absolutely absolutely insane. So you know this.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
But this is what I mean by they really LGBTQ
plus and the transagenda really became a state religion in
this country. And I don't mean like by state, I
mean big s state of the federal government and of
the apparatus, starting under the Obama years and then of
course really reaching its peak in the Biden years. And
it's madness. You know, I'm sorry, but like you know,
(58:47):
if you if someone if someone's gonna tell me they
have a right to stand, you know here in South
Florida and burn an American flag. I don't want to
hear that that if you burn a Pride flag you
go to prison.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
That's that's not that's not what you disagree. No, no, no,
I agree with all that. I just this may be
a first. I'm just going through mentions. I screwed up
a sports analogy, and I'm getting correct by this. So
I wanted to issue a correction. Rick Monday, center fielder
for the Cubs, and it was at Dodger Stadium in
(59:23):
nineteen seventy six. I thought the Yankees were involved. This
is before my time. I wasn't born yet. I know
the video as an iconic moment in sports, but I
got it. I got it.
Speaker 5 (59:34):
I whiffed on that one.
Speaker 3 (59:35):
So let's got to tell you. So I had to
don't play Clay. Clay's been hanging out with me too much.
He's like, you know, the Yankees, Red Sox, whatever, you know, save.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
Those teams that plays the ball. I don't know the
sports ball, they sports myology. It happens, it happens the
best of us.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Clay, don't worry about it, all right, will come in
take some of your calls and take some of your thought.
By the way, if you've got thoughts on the flag
burning thing, very curious for you to hear it. I
think this is a move by Trump at some First
of all, I think that he just passionately loves the
American flag and appreciates symbolism, and I think he deeply
believes this is the right thing for the country.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
So I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I just think he's going to run into procedural problems
with this, and I think the Supreme Courts weighed in
pretty clearly on this. So unless the Supreme Court is
going to overturn that previous decision, it's like, Okay, what
are we doing. But I also think it highlights this
pick and chew situation of well, some flags, you know,
you go to prison for if you burn, and we
all know this, Oh it's Stolenever, yeah, please, some flags
(01:00:27):
are sacrosanc some flags we give we give special and
some objects we give special you know, protection to Nope,
it's either you either have the right or you don't
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