August 25, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode, Ryan interviews "Matt Nuclear," a young conservative who gained attention for his participation in a Jubilee debate against Amanda Seales. They discuss various topics including reparations, the immigrant experience, shifts in political allegiance among young voters, and the cultural issues surrounding education and family dynamics. Matt shares his insights on the current political discourse, the influence of ideology, and the importance of understanding global issues. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to a numbers game podcast. Happy Monday. I
hope you have had a great day so far. I
want to tell you all the whole story. The year
was nineteen ninety four, and there was once a boy
named Ryan and his mother made him broccoli and he
threw it out and blamed his little brother and it
wasn't right. And I did do it, and my brother
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encouraging people to give a review to the podcast because
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it does help if people find it and listen to it.
So this episode is a bit of a mashup. I
have some data, I have an interview, and I have
some fascinating DC gossip that I think you'll all really like,
and then of course ask me anything. So first on
the data. Everyone is talking about the New York Times
article about voter registration and the Democrats numbers plummeting nationwide. Now,
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for those who listen to the show very often, I
have talked about this a lot New Jersey in California especially,
and how it has reflected poorly on the Democratic Party. Unfortunately,
most Americans don't listen to this podcast. So the Times
article seems like it's brand new, and I want to
go through the information really explain it to you in
a deep way. The article is by Shane Goldmacher and
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Jonah Smith. I'm not familiar with Jonah Smith, but Shane's
a very solid journalist. I actually invite him on this podcast.
So he writes the Democratic Party is hemorrhaging voters long
before they even go to the poles. Of the thirties
dates that track to registration by political party, Democrats lost
ground to Republicans in every single one between twenty twenty
and twenty twenty four, often by a lot. The four
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year swing towards Republicans add up to four point five
million voters, a deep political hole that could take Democrats
years to climb out for out of And they use
L two data to cite this.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
All I've used L two. L two is just a
voter data company.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So basically, if I say, hey, I'm going to do
a school board election in lim Brook, Long Island, or
whatever the case is, L two can provide me data
of who's likely to vote most most often, what party
they're registered under. It's a good company anyway. They use
that data to justify what they're talking about. So a
little background in fact, For the first instance, twenty eighteen
more new voters nationwide chose to be Republicans than Democrats
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last year. All told, Democrats lost two point one million
registered voters between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four in
those thirty states that allow people to register by political party,
and Republicans gain two point four million. Consider this, In
twenty eighteen, Democrats accounted for thirty four percent of new
voter registrations nationwide. Republicans were only twenty get In twenty
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twenty four, Republicans had overtaken Democrats. For years, the left
had relied on sprawling network of nonprofits which solicit donations
from people whose identities they do not disclose, to register
black and Latino young voters. Though the groups are technically nonpartisan,
there is an underlying assumption that most of these voters
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will be Democrat. You can't just register young Latino or
young black voter and assume that they're going to know
that it's Democrat and that they have the best policies,
says MS. Cardona, who is a liberal person. Okay, so
stop right there with the article. Buck Sexton had mentioned
this in his podcast, and he was one hundred percent right.
Liberals have been scamming tax nonprofit statuses for years to
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bolster Democratic voter registration. They knew that going into major
urban areas and looking for someone with dark skin would
be a positive assumption that they are more than likely
than not to be Democrat, and probably nine times out
of ten in many cases. But these nonprofits, and I
give them credit, I mean, listen, they have worked the
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system for a long time to give tax breaks to
these liberal donors. Basically, a liberal donor will give a
nonprofit a million dollars or however how much they get
to write off on their taxes as being you know,
beneficial to society, and Democrats get more into registered voters.
I mean, at least Scott Presler has a super pack
where he doesn't get a tax break, you know, for
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registering Republicans. This is explicitly using the tax code to
benefit to benefit Democrats. They claim that the reason they
can't do this anymore though in the same capacity that
they used to, is because of President Trump and how
President Trump has changed the parties. So what they're missing
from the story, what Democrats are missing from this narrative,
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And with the New York Times reporters, and they're good reporters,
but what they're missing from this is that this didn't
happen between twenty and twenty four. It did partially, but
this has been going on for a long time, right,
this at least the last four election cycles. So there's
for a liberal firm called Catalyst, and they did this
big breakdown of the twenty twenty four election in the
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past four elections, specifically looking at young minorities Democrats. This
is among young black men, young black men being those
who are under thirty years old. Democrats won ninety four
percent of young black men in twenty twelve, ninety percent
in twenty sixteen, eighty five percent in twenty twenty, and
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seventy five percent in twenty twenty four. That means that
a quote nonprofit that is registering voters in the inner city,
and they're almost all likely Black or Latino, they had
a chance for every twenty five people they registered to
vote in one of the two major political parties, twenty
four of them would be guaranteed Democrats young Black men
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twenty four to twenty five twelve years ago. It's not
that long ago, but a little by little it's been
taken away. For young Hispanic it's been young Hispanic men. Rather,
it's been even more extreme. Democrats went from winning seventy
one percent of young Latino men in twenty twelve to
sixty seven percent in twenty sixteen, to sixty three percent
in twenty twenty, to forty seven percent in twenty twenty four.
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It's all according to catalyst, and I want to point
out that it is a trend because it is important
to notice. Very few major political changes happen overnight. Right
even the white working classes changed for Republicans. The last
time that there was a overnight transformation, I would say
would be like Cubans in the nineteen sixty who did
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change overnight with the Cuban missile crisis and the Bay
of Pigs, like it was a overnight transformation. But that's
probably the last one. It's probably the last time there
was an overnight transformation of a specific demographic for a
specific reason, because Democrats among young black men lost four
percent between twenty twelve to twenty sixteen, five percent from
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twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, and ten percent from twenty
twenty twenty twenty four. Among young Latino men four percent
from twenty twelve, four percent from twenty sixteen, and then
sixteen percent between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four. They
had that shift going on, they just refused to notice
it until it was too big, and not to notice
until instead of going from twenty four out of twenty
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five young black men being Democrats to being three out
of four, which is substantially less, and they don't want
to risk bolstering so many more Republicans. Okay, back to
the article not so long ago. In twenty eighteen, democrats
accounted for sixty six percent of new voters under forty
five who registered with one of the two major parties.
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Yet in twenty twenty four, that share has fallen to
forty eight percent. In other words, Republicans went from roughly
one third of newly registered voters under forty five to
a majority in over six years. The story is leaker
for Democrats in some key states. In Nevada, which releases
particular detailed data, Republicans added twice as many voters under
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thirty five as Democrats did. The shift among men is
substantially different. From nearly forty nine percent of newly registered
voters and a major party chose the Democrats in twenty twenty,
that number went to thirty nine percent in twenty twenty four.
I want to focus on men because that's really where
you're seeing these crazy numbers. Zachary Donini, who I've had
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on this podcast. He is a data scientist for Decision Desk.
He posted that young white men, young white men, those
being probably under thirty, definitely under thirty, maybe even under
twenty five, are really the catalyst. Now there's a big
shift among young Latinos. They're a majority of young Latino
men voting, registering Republican one in four young black men.
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But I want to talk about young white men for
a second, because it is the biggest demographic among young
men in this country. Young white men, according to Ainy,
are registering or a Republican at an on precedented level.
White men born in the eighties and early nineties, my
generation right, who came of age when George W. Bush
was president, and I know some people like him. I
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thought it was a horrible president. But they almost broke
fifty to fifty Democrat Republican white men, which is like
the Republican's key demographic. It was really bad when they
started registering voting because the other the Iraq War, and
Bush was just horrible. Now, young white men who register
for one of the two major parties register seventy one
to twenty nine Republican. It is the highest amount of
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any generation recorded since the nineteen thirties. Seventy one to
twenty nine. That is fifty That was almost fifty points,
or it's forty five points, whatever, it's forty two. Sorry,
my internal math numbers coup in catching up forty two points.
So although it's a six point Republican majority among young Latinos,
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and it's they're losing young young blacks by fifty points
instead of you know, ninety two points. That forty two
point bump for young white men is the game. It's
it's that that is the number game. That is their path.
As they continue to vote, as they vote more frequently,
as they start paying taxes and becoming older and being
more involved, that is the game for Republicans to grow substantially.
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Growing up hearing that you're a cancer for being a
young white man, being you're part of the patriarchy, you
are responsible for the victimhood of all generations throughout history,
absolutely propelled this group of people. And even young white women,
by the way, register a majority Republican fifty three to
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forty seven. Obviously not nearly as much as men. But
it's not what you would think watching the internet where
you see that all these like blue haired, short shaped,
you know, white women who are all screaming about abortion progressive.
No majority white women, young white women are registering Republican. Now,
I want to remind you all that the trend of
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young people and minorities moving to the right is not
isolated to America. We're seeing trends among minorities in basically
every part of the Anglo world, in Australia, in Canada
and the UK, more and more, especially Indian and Arab
immigrant children who are registering to vote in those countries
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are increasingly voting for the Republican like party of the
Tories or the Canadian Conservative Party or whatnot. Zachary Dnini
once again, he actually looked at the name Mohammad, which
is Zachary is so smart. He looked at the name
Mohammad because it's obviously a very specific ethnicity, it's a
very specific religion. Men who were born in nineteen sixty
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with the name Mohammad registered eighty eight to twelve Democrat.
Men born in two thousand and five with the name
Mohammad registered fifty nine forty one Democrat. Look at that
drop with this demo graphic, and this is a demographic
who probably is pro Gaza, probably is or on the
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side of the palace stating and people. Rather, this is
a demographic who has a lot in common on its
space of the Democratic Party, and yet they are abandoning
them because the people who run the Democra Party aren't
screaming college educated women or black activists saying you should
feel bad. I need reparations, I am the victim, or
don't you shouldn't arrest somebody for burning down a building,
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burning down a school, not a school, but you know,
a store or whatever. Now let's look at some key states,
because remember, only thirty states have registered people by party registration. Okay,
so places like Texas, Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin, they don't register
people by party. I wish they did it make my
life a lot easier, but they don't. So I'm going
to go over a few states because I think that
that's important, just to highlight a few. One last thing
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voter registration except for new voters. Right, if you're eighteen
in registering for the first time, you obviously didn't change party.
But if you are changing parties and you're thirty, you're
forty or fifty or sixty or whatever, it is the
last thing to do before you've been a full transformation
from one party to the other. In other words, no
one who at fifty five years old, who has voted
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most of their life, who's re registering party registration as
a Republican is because they're voting Republican for the first
time ever. And not in most cases. Rather, so you're
likely have voted Republican. If you're a demok registered Democrat
and you're making the switch or vice versa, you have
voted Republican for ten years, but you're friendly changing parties.
So it's the last thing that ever ends up happening. Okay,
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So let's look at West Virginia because it is the
most extreme cases. It's not a swing state that on
many congressional seats, but it is the It's almost all white,
it is working class, very little college education, and it
is a zeitgeist into the or it is a it
is a it is a perfect analogy into the broader
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crisis democrats are having with white working class people. Remember
West Virginia, for as Republican as it is now, was
one of the few states that Jimmy Carter won over
Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty. It is a state that
voted for Bill Clinton twice. It is a state that
probably if Hillary Clinton was the nomine in two thousand
and eight, she'd be competitive, and Al Gore almost won
it in two thousand, so that's not that long ago.
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It was a solid, solid democratic state, more democratic than
like New Jersey, was from twenty sixteen until August twenty
twenty five, Democrats lost forty one point five percent of
all their registered voters in that state forty forty one
point five percent. Republicans grew their registration by twenty six percent.
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And I'm using twenty sixteen right, which is different than
the New York Times article, because here's what happened. Between
twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. Most state Democratic parties saw
a big bump because it was you know, Trump's in power,
it's fascism, it's you know, everyone puts your pink pussy
hats on and sit there and start screaming into the
wild like that was happening for those four years, and
that bolster Democrat registration, and then twenty twenty happens. Obviously, yes,
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Biden's in charge, but the great wokeism happens, and you know,
everyone's being me tooed and everyone's being canceled, and everyone's
are racist, and you know, we have to have the
trans bathing suits for six year olds of target. All
that stuff happens post twenty twenty. But I'm looking at
the long view from twenty sixteen. Okay, in Nevada, since
twenty sixteen, No Democrats have actually grown their voter registration
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in Nevada. Nevada is a very fast growing state, so
this makes sense. Democrats gained thirty three thousand, five hundred
registered voters. Republicans gained almost one hundred and nineteen thousand
registered Republicans. In New Hampshire, a semi swing state which
has Republican local government Democrat federal government, Democrats have lost
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five percent of all their registered voters, Republicans have gained.
Republicans actually have a plurality of all or sorry, they
have more registered Republicans in the state of New Hampshire
than Demorcrats. In Pennsylvania, the most important swing state in
the country, Democrats have lost sixteen percent of all their
registered voters since twenty sixteen. Republicans have gained six percent.
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I have increased their popular their numbers by six percent.
You have to two things. Democrats had nine hundred thousand
more registered voters than Republicans in twenty sixteen. That's down
to fifty nine thousand this time. And Scott Presser has
done a lot of work and people have done a
lot of work in Pennsylvania. But there's one thing that
no one ever talks about, and I want to talk
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about it for one second, about Pennsylvania specifically. In twenty sixteen,
there was an article I think it was my, it
was my Nate Cohen, it was by It was in
five point thirty eight. It's called like the missing white voter.
If Trump can find them, there are there were. As
a twenty sixteen there were forty four million non college
educated white Americans who were not registered to vote, and
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million of them lived in one state in particular, and
that was Pennsylvania. So what happened in twenty twenty three
that didn't really make a lot of national news, Well,
Governor Josh Shapiro announced automatic voter registration for people when
they get driver's licenses, So everyone who renews, all of
a sudden has to register, vote, and register in a
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major political party. And though the decline for the Democratic
Party was happening before that happened, it expedited the process.
Republicans started gaining thousands more than Democrats after that happened
because all the non college educated white Americans who never
bothered to vote, but all of a sudden it had
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to register to vote, who were registering Republican in huge numbers,
and that was a major game changer in Pennsylvania that
I think Joshapiro did not think long terms. I don't
know if you would have done the same thing over
again if he would have known how horrible it was
for his party, last, but not least, the state of Florida.
Because this is I mean, this is this is the
whole kit and kaboodle. Democrats in twenty sixteen and three
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hundred and fifty thousand more registered members of their party
than Republicans. And since twenty sixteen, Democrats lost seven hundred
thousand registered members their party and Republicans gained one million,
one million. It is a collapse of a party that
has no chance in the third largest day in this
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country for a very, very, very long time. I don't
even know how you rebuild a party in that kind
of situation. And once again, the differs from what I'm
saying in the New York Times. I'm looking at the
long view, looking since twenty sixteen, because I think that
it's important to see that even when you count the
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resist Trump voter surge that happened when you know he
first took office and Madonna sanctioned to blow up the
White House and all the rest of it, and Kathy
Griffin is holding up a you know, is a fake
head and is bleeding, even when you include that Democrats
are in a worse place years later, even when you
consider all of that. Okay, that's enough for the data.
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I have a great interesting guest coming up next. I
saw him online and I was like, I got to
talk to this kid. I think you guys would find
him fascinating. That's coming up right after this. So I
was scrolling on Twitter a couple of days ago, maybe
a wee could go now, and I came across this
episode of Jubilee. It's this kind of crazy website where
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twenty people scream at one person, and there was an
activist by name Amanda Seals. I think I'm pouncing her
last thing correctly, and she was debating twenty black conservatives
and this young man, Matt Nuclear who's with us today,
was on and he was really smart and came across
really thought provoking, and I want to have him on
the pod and talk about the debate experience and how
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he became such a well spoken conservative. And you're eighteen
years old, right.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Matt, I Indiana, i'ma maintained, I'm turning nineteen in two months,
So how did you get invited to Jubilee. I've been
doing like TikTok live debates for a bit, and I
believe that they invited me from that specifically. It's not
like I asked them to come on. And I was
supposed to originally do a different episode that was canceled.
But because they, you know, like my performance on the
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episode that got canceled, they invited me back to debate
a radical, you know, black person, and I was like, sure,
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So how long are you there for? By the way,
is it hours and hours? I believe I believe that
was three hours or two hours?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It was that long. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So now Amanda I never heard of Amanda Steals before.
Her position was.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
What her position essentially was that reparations were just and necessary.
I mean she's also now came out and to that
black on black crime does not exist and it's not
something of any relevancy whatsoever. And essentially that you know,
black people are being oppressed by white people and this
is why these sort of disparities exist.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Now, you were you were really really smart, and how
you came across what was your biggest oppositions to what
she said?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Are you naturally very conservative? Yeah, I am typically very
conservative on basically almost everything, Okay, but I just naturally
opposed to these handout to that this really isn't going
to fix any problem. Like I told her, if you
hand every black person fifty thousand dollars check in America,
it isn't really going to increase the median huscle income
by any significant amount in the next decade or two.
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It's not really going to change anything significantly. What we
need to do is bring back the black nuclear family
and you know, you know, stop the issues and reference
to violence and reference to gain crime, and then we
can see some improvements. But this idea that handing people
a check is going to change something radically is just humorous.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Now, how was she packs each other? I think you
dm me said that she wanted to cut you off,
or she didn't want parts of what you said aired right.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No, No, it's it's she just didn't want to debate me.
Like there was a point where, like I said, redlining
didn't exist to the extent that you know, they tried
to act as if it existed, and you didn't want
to debate me right there, Like she literally asked the
producers just not to debate me, and so they, well,
they just wanted her to just finish that debate. They
try to encourage her to just finish that debate. And yeah,
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I mean she kept threatening to quit debating a lot
of people, like multiple different times during the break. I mean,
it was it was insane. But that's that's wild, you
know what.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I don't and this would never happen with a white
conservative versus white liberal, but she did it to you.
She said at one point, talk to me like I'm
your mama or something. We would never say that to
each other. What was your reaction when.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
She said that? Well, I just thought, like, what is
what is going on with this woman? Like is is
she okay in the head? Like, I don't know how
that's a normal thing you can say to someone, like
we're having a conversation and someone makes an argument and
you are like, you know, speak to me as if
I was your mama, Like, well, who says things like that.
It's not a normal thing to say. And I remember
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watching the Megan Kelly Show. There was a guy on
there who was like, when if I told someone, you know,
speak to me as if I was their father during
the middle of a conversation doesn't really make any sense.
It's a weird thing. And yeah, that's a weird way
to respond to someone's argument, is they should treat you
or speak to you as if they were you know
the mother WHOA sorry, it's just so weird.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
What was was her?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
A lot of her arguments?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I mean, there were grains from what I heard of it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I didn't watch the entire episode.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I literally just watched your segment because I thought you
were really really well spoken, especially for such a young
man and who doesn't do this for a living. There
were like grains of truth and then a lot of
emotional attachment to that. Is that what you found when
she was talking to you?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think so. But I didn't really find that a
lot of grains of truth really either. I mean, she
try to act as if black people are still not
considered what like a full person in America, which obviously
isn't true. So yeah, I mean, it was not a
lot of truth. And when, to be honest, I have
a hypothesis.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So I'm from Queens, New York, where most Black Americans
living in my county are immigrants right there from Jamaica, Caribbean,
they have the highest household income of any group of people, right,
I mean far so exceeding even white This is according
to the New York Times. You're an immigrant from I
think Angola, Right.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, I came from America in six.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So do you think because you were not broad? Maybe
you were, but were you.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Kind of.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Kind of thrown at what you expect of the black
experience in America in the same way that maybe somebody
who's general, who's been here for generations would have been.
Or maybe because because immigrants from Africa, not all of Africa,
like Sudan and Somalians are not really exceeding, but but
immigrants from Jamaica, Angla, black immigrant from Jamaica and gol
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a place like that, Nigeria, they do Kenya, they exceed
Black Americans who have been here since slavery. Do you
think because having a more immigrant experience had brought you
different kinds of potential and different kinds of understanding what
it's like to be an American maybe change why you're
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more conservative?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Is that part? I think? I think it may have
influenced me a little bit, But I just have to
preface it by saying I was raised here. I mean,
I've been living here since I was six years old.
Not a lot of people, not a lot of people
can tell you, you know, what they were doing prior to
the age of six, or even remember a lot of
those things, right, So the only difference was is that
I was raised in Maine, which is like a significant
majority white state, although I did live around a black
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immigrant community as well, and you know, I was taught
you know, by my parents, I should respect this country,
I should be grateful for being in this country. And
so I've always had this kind of like appreciative look
on America and its founding in general, where a lot
of you know, people like a man Oficios obviously are
not very appreciative at all, And that might be some
of the distinctions and some of the differences. But apart
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from that, yeah, I think my experience.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
When I when I said the Emmergan experience, I more
meant in your parents than you, Yeah, because your parents
would have probably been more like, you need to hustle
and make it and do everything that you possibly can.
Have a different appreciation than somebody.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Who's kind of been.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Rightly or wrongly kind of bay them multi generational of
like feelings of you know, you're a victim. You're a victim,
and also every institution will rewards you for believing you're
a victim.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah. No, my parents, especially my mother has always told
me to be appreciative of this country and to always
look back at you know, where people in Engla, the
DRC or an id year it currently are. And so
that's that's one of the reasons why I have been
a conservative or someone who is proud of this country
is because of the opportunity this country has given me
and the opportunity this country has given Black Americans. They
should be very much proud too. I don't get the
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entitlement because while they may be making I don't know
on average, I don't know, is it thirty six thousany
five thousand dollars a year? There are people are living
off of a dollar a year right now, right our
people in Africa. So it's like very much. You got
to be very much appreciative, right, I mean, you would
much rather be a black black in America than black
and Sudan. Right. Try to act as if they wouldn't.
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They try to act as if it's like there's always
this constant mention of the transatlantic slave trade, which did happen.
But let's be honest, Like when the Europeans were sailing south,
either from North America or whatever, It's not like they
would sail all the way down to Subseran African to
start grabbing people, grabbing these Africans who are running constantly.
That's not something that is even it makes any sense.
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These people were already brought as slaves by other African
rulers of the coast because they knew Europeans would be
there ready to trade, you know, give them items, gun
and stuff like that for these slaves. It's the majority
of these slaves were brought by Sub Saharan Africans themselves, who,
by the way, really didn't want the transit land slave
trade to end because they were enriching themselves, which she
(27:45):
failed to understand with her you know degree in that
African American studies.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Do you have you been to Angle since moving here?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
No? No, no Ah, you've ever been back? Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I was wondering if there was a different opinion of
black slavery in Africa versus America. I'm sure there is.
I just don't know what is I've never been in Africa,
but I just something that kind of popped in my head.
What you know, I've been doing this whole thing today
about the New York Times piece about voter registration right,
and how voter registration has changed away from Democratic Party,
(28:17):
especially for specifically young men. You are a young man,
you're eighteen years old. Is this something that you have
noticed a phenomenon among other young men in your age group?
Because young men, young black men went from voting I
think ninety six percent for Democrats in twenty twelve just
something like seventy five percent. So I went from like
(28:38):
twenty four to twenty five to one in four. We're
voting republic when I was twenty five, voting Republican twelve
years ago, when you were like six, and now it's
like one in four. That's a hu tremendous growth. Is
that something that you've seen among other like this growth
of it, this acceptance, is normalization something you've seen among
other young men your age?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I definitely have seen it. And the reason obvious for
why this is the case is because the Democratic Party
really isn't giving any solutions. All they are doing is
telling black people that you're a perpetual victim, and to
freak out whenever there is a white man or a
white police officer who want alives you when we have
you know, black men being unlived every single day in America,
And it's really a hypocritical perspective to act as if
(29:18):
it is, you know, this atrocity, this significant injustice when
you don't come outside every day when there are black
men being un alive in southside Chicago. So are you
really black lives matter? Or are you trying to just
make white people look bad? Right?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, well you grew up in Maine, you said, which
is a fairly liberal state. It's not the most liberal.
It's not Vermont, it's really liberal.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Do you what do you like when you speak to
like young, younger white people who have a tremendous level
of white guilt or like they're extremely woke around race relations.
How do you approach that? Because you know a lot
more I feel like than the average person on even
like slavery, with what you mentioned today, Yeah, I try
to approach with just some like basic questions.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You know that do you ever participate in slavery? Do
you believe in generational punishment? Right? Countries like North Korea
have like the three generational rule where if you know
you do something, your children will suffer and you know
your your father will suffer or something like that. I mean,
you don't you shouldn't have to pay for the consequences
of your ancestors. Not to mention, many of these white
people today did arrive as immigrants in the seventeen hundreds
(30:24):
or eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds, so a lot of
them weren't even you know, their their family lineage, weren't
even owning any slaves. They should still have to pay reparations.
A lot of this is fallacious, and there has been
reparations in terms of investment in low income black communities already.
For example, I'm pretty sure what is they have Baltimore.
I think, yeah, Baltimore public schools, it's twenty two thousand,
(30:45):
five hundred like dollars per students. There in Utah it's
like half that, with like eleven thousand per student. And
yet there's a big difference in like you know, test scores,
in like school outcomes and so on and so forth.
So it's not even just funding. A lot of this
has to do with, you know, the nuclear family, with
prioritizing education, with having a father in the home, like
(31:07):
all of those different other factors. We just know that
pumping money into things just doesn't fix issues as long
as much as like I know, that's what democrats want
to hear and what leftists want to hear, that if
you just pump money into these different things and don't
focus on any cultural problems because there is no cultural
problems according to the left, that that will fix the issue.
But it just doesn't prove to be true.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's basically everything in Thomasaul has been saying for eighty
five years. What did you ever read him?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
By the way, yes, Thomas Soul, He's also a big inspiration.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Where did you get your concern? I mean you said
your parents, but like where did you learn things from
the internet mostly or did you read or.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think a combination of a little bit of both.
I've looked into Ben Carson, Thomas Soul, and I've just
done a lot of a decent amount of reading. Not
I would say, like a crazy amount of ring, but
I've done decent amount of reading in general. In reference
to looking at things online, looking at statistics, looking at
the facts, looking at the data, and then just starting
to kind of figure things out, right, like one set up,
one step at a time, trying to figure things out.
And then middle started tiktoking your opinion right, just started Yeah,
(32:06):
just started doing stick to doll lives.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Normal gen Z stuff. So just two quick things. So
one actually brought up to schools and in have you
heard of the miracle from Mississippi? Have you heard of
this phenomenon? Mississippi changed a rule when it came to education,
which basically means if you could not read at a
third grade level, you could not go to fourth grade.
And there was basically no exemptions. And it was ten
years but there was very little financial increases. But they
(32:29):
got everyone on board. They retrained teachers, they did the
science of reading, and black Americans in Mississippi actually have
higher test scores than black Americans in Maryland, right among
many other places. Refusing to allow people to fail and
they fail forwards especially is a huge incentive to really
improving the overall standards. Is this something that like is
(32:53):
a broad understanding among like, I mean, I can know
it's for conservatives, but I know I'm asking you a
question me a conservative. Yeah, I believe it's like for
other black people.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I don't know if it's abroad, I don't think most
black people would necessarily agree with that. I'm not necessarily sure.
I would assume that they probably you know, woul Int
grew with it. But like I think it's I think
it's better for us to focus on, you know, the whole,
like no Child Left Behind, steff just doesn't work, Like
we have the data on this stuff. Nothing really is
fixed by the trying to fix theseusparities, like the whole
(33:26):
Lebron James School that's heavily funded still received like low
test word. I'm pretty sure like the Akron Akron aboard
they figured out that. Hold on, there's so much money
being pumped in, why are the test scores not, you know,
significantly increasing. So, yeah, there's there's cultural.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Issues here right in among an immigrant you see you're
you're with a lot of African immigrants in Maine. Was
this a broadly accepted concept among African immigrants in America
that the family unit is so important to raising people?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Right? Is that?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Is that a big difference between African Americans there's African immigrants.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
No, absolutely, I think there's a different cultural there's a
significant cultural difference when it comes to that. I believe
that we're much more appreciative when it comes to United States,
less entitled as well more grateful because of where we're
coming from specifically and understanding that. And yeah, big emphasis
on the family.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
There's a huge difference from how I've noticed my friends
who are African and Caribbean immigrants, how they speak of
Black Americans, including my own family members. I have a
few family mems who are Black Caribbean and they are
They do not speak about African Americans the sentence of
slaves very well. Just little note, side note. I don't
know if you can agree and disagree, but I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But the the interesting trend that no one really talks
about or knows is that black fertility rates African Americans
hill rates is decline substantially. It's actually lower than whites
for the first time I think almost ever documented. And
a bigger and bigger percentage of people who have children
today who are Black have ancestry in immigration right, which
(35:06):
is completely different from all historical standards. I wonder if
that changes the dynamics of the future of how Black
Americans a significant portion no longer rooting their life to slavery,
into redlining and to everything else will change their relationship
either not only just between the parties and African Americans,
(35:28):
but African Americans' opinions of our own country because it
is very low.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I believe it. I believe it would. It's definitely a
possibility that there's going to definitely be some change there
in general. But I also do see a lot of
African Americans who try to assimilate into Black American culture
a lot of the times, and you know that's also something.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So what does that means assimiling in Black American culture?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Well, I think a lot of them that are immigrants
who come here try to do this thing where they're
trying to necessarily fit in with all of the narratives
surrounding Black America Erica, and to me, I find find
it a lot of cringe cringeing. I'm not saying Black
American culture is just gang violence, because of course there's
more than just gang violence, but a lot of them
do specifically try to get on the negative parts and
(36:11):
try to, you know, join gangs or be in the
street life in general, which I don't understand how you
could after you come from a third world country and
you're given such an opportunity, but you know, stuff works
right now?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I I that's that's really interesting. I live a lot
of times in the zeep South. A half the year
I spend in Louisiana, so I see a lot of
a lot of that, more than I than I care to.
What do you think if you're a young person, if
you you do some TikTok all the time, what are
like three two or three things that like young people
are talking about on the internet As far as because
(36:45):
you talk a lot about Israel and other things, I've
noticed I saw some of your tiktoks?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
What made you engage? Like?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
What are the topics that you ask so often find
yourself engaged? Obviously it's not all race relations as it
was in this you you Believe video? No, yeah, it's
fleeen Israel and Palestine. And the reason why I started
engaging in those conversations is because I kind of I
saw the whole cures for Palestine movement and I'm like,
how can you support people who would literally want you
dead and don't align with the views whatsoever? And you know,
(37:12):
I went into the whole conversation about you know, Israel
being that's basically the only democracy in the Middle East,
the only country where Arabs can vote in the Middle East,
in the only country that is not an open deocracy
in the Middle East, who was attacked and should have
the right to at least defend itself as any other
country would probably behaved if they were an attacked in
the same exact way. And so what I felt that
(37:33):
I have a duty as an American to support our
ally and give justifications for why we support our ally
and why a lot of people just don't have good
reasons as to why we shouldn't support Israel. And so
that's kind of how I got into that whole thing,
and it kind of leaks over into the whole idea
of colonialism of people who are who are victims versus
(37:58):
you know, people who can com people who commit atroscies
on people versus victims. Their whole understanding, I'm very basic understanding.
I have like two woke white lived cousins who like
say shit like this all the time, but they're like
they very much opinion is well, if they are brown
or therefore they must be victims.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It kind of does boil down to that. Did you
ever come across absolutely that is essentially left this ideology.
A lot of people ask me why don't people care
about the DRC or Sudan. Is it because the people
that are black? And that's not really the reason, because
the Arabs in Gaza are not much different from the
Arabs in Cyria or the Arabs in Yemen, who have
went through worse things and have you know, actually experienced
(38:36):
a lot of hunger while Kaza has received the most
amount of food or capita. And it's not about the
death count obviously either. So what the MA main issue
is that the left in order for them to care
about anything, is that there has to be a white
or if you know, they state they make Jews white
in order if for it to fit the narrative, you know,
oppressor slash brown black victim. If there's not that dynamic,
(38:56):
then they don't really care. It's not about atrocities, it's
not about who's hungry. It's not about what's going on
and how bad it is, how bad the conditions are.
Because when the Rwanda, which is a black majority country
in some Seran Africa, invades at the RC while they're
both black guys, so we can't call Rwanda apparently a
colonizer because you know, white people never imperialize each other,
or black people can't imperialize each other. So it's just
(39:17):
typicualt left this ideology, and that leaks othern to America.
What you said before, why don't you care about the
southside of Chicago because it's a black person killing another
black person? Exactly, it's typical left this ideology, the same
thing that works with BLM, the same thing that works
with the you know, radical movements. You have to have
(39:37):
that sort of dynamic. You have to have someone to
blame right.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Right, and unlike I think, unlike leftist theory from even
thirty years ago when I was a kid, which is
a lot of which is a lot of rooted in
class dynamics, it's almost all race dynamics.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Now.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I mean there's, I guess hints of class dynamics, but
it's almost.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
All the basis of race.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
And I wonder if that has affected because I said
this in the in the in the monogue earlier, seventy
one percent of white young white men are now registering
Republicans people who are born when you were born, right,
That has never happened before, and there's been an increase
in black and Hispanic too. But I wonder if the
overwhelming consciousness of race being the center of everything has
(40:23):
really turned down young gen Z men like yourself.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh no, absolutely, And people say, you know, black fatigue
and all these different things. It's really just leftist fatigue
and leftist ideology fatigue in general. I mean, I think
everyone's tired of it. I think this is why many
young men, regardless of black or white or you know,
leaning more conservative, leaning more right, and which is why
the Democratic Party is losing out of support, because people
are tired of the Democratic Parties, you know, you know,
exhausted arguments that people are tired of hearing the other victim.
(40:51):
People are tired of not getting any answers or any
explanations whatsoever. And of course it's made the popular party,
I mean, made it more unpopular. And when you have
someone like, for sample, a man of seals who responds
to people's arguments by saying that, you know, treat me
as if I was your mom, or speak to me
as if I was your mom, it's not really, you know,
anything that's compelling. It's not a compelling argument whatsoever. So
I don't know how can they not lose a part
(41:12):
when that's how they behave, when they behave out of emotionality.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Two quick questions, so too, last questions. One, is there
anything you didn't get to say in that Jubilee debate
that you wished you would have that you could say now?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, I think I wanted to mention more, you know,
in like ways that racism has been happening against white people.
I did mention the University of Western Washington, but for example,
Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, who has been touting
the amount of black people he's hired for his you know, administration,
and help few white people and all those different things.
The DJ Actually, I think the Civil Rights Division specifically
(41:45):
opened up an investigation into Brandon Johnson because of that, obviously,
and that's another waste of something racism has been going on.
I also wanted to mention United air Yeah, United Airlines,
because they said that what in the year twenty fifty,
I don't know that there or forty percent of the
pilots will be block It's like this weird thing where
you're like, we know for a fact, by this year
(42:06):
we're going to have this many black pilots and we're
totally not discriminating anyone to get to that point, totally
not right. So I think I wanted to mention that
as well, because it's like, it's it's silly if if
any this is the thing is that it's so hypocritical.
A lot of black people can do things that white
people could never do or even say. Right, if any
like you know, black person you know, owned any company
(42:26):
and said I'm going to make sure that this is
going to be fifty percent black by this year, no
one's gonna have a problem. Then I's gonna figure out.
If a white person said I'm gona sure this is
fifty or sixty percent white by this year, everyone goes out.
I might as well, you know, do riots and loot
from small businesses when that happens, right, So it's it's
just humorous. Everyone's tired of this whole you know, you know,
white people are guilty, White people are evil, colonizers, and
(42:47):
all these sorts of different things. People are tired of it.
And that's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Do you find that in like your own life in
Maine like that? I mean I asked this before, but like,
is it more common than not even in a blue
place like that. But do you ever find someone who,
like a white kid, who does say those things and
you're like, Wow, this is really refreshing and doesn't come
off like a crazy person to you.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Well, I didn't. Well, when I was in Maine, I
didn't really hear much people will specifically talk about that.
The people in Maine, by the way, are very nice
in general, very kind hearted people, although I did is
a majority liberal state, but in general, I mean, I
don't know if I've ever heard a lot of these
arguments from the white people in main in general. I
don't think that they're really willing to say that because
they think that you might come out as racist or evil,
(43:31):
which you know, brings me to another point is the
fact that if we were sitting across from NSCLS and
we were white, she would definitely be calling us racist, okay,
And she tried to exclude me by oh, well, you
you know, you came from Africa a little later than
my family did, therefore were better than you in some
sort of way or something.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, are more like got that, yes, which is really
silly as well. If a white person ever said that
you're less authentically American to a black person, it would
also be considered racist. Matt, where can people go to
like listen to you more and see more of your stuff?
Because I think you're really engaging, that you're really smart.
I think you could have a big career in this.
And I was tweeting about you like crazy, saying someone
(44:09):
and I think you're to twenty thousand followers close to.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
On Twitter and I at twenty one point three or
four thousand followers now, and and I appreciate everyone follow
the kind messages and generosity. People can find me on
the X. I did finally fix my handle. It's just
Matt nuclear X. It is Matt Nuclear. On TikTok. It
is Matt Nuclear also on YouTube, and I'm going to
create a Instagram account as well pretty soon so people
(44:32):
can find me there. Yeah, and you're going to talk
about Israel and other stuff like this or yeah, I
talk about multiple different subjects, whether it's Israel also semic racism,
any of these different things.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Awesome, Matt, You're really smart. I can't wait to see
where you go with this stuff. And I think that
I think you have a bright future ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
So thank you so much for having you onrun.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You're listening to it's a numbers game with Ryan Grodowski.
We'll be right back after this message. Well, I think
Matt Nuclear was super interesting. I hope you liked him
all right.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
So a piece of DC gossip that I heard that
I thought you guys would find fascinating. There is a
member of Trump's cabinet. I'm not going to name names
until this comes out publicly, but you guys put two
and two together and you'll know what I'm talking about.
There is a member of the cabinet who's well known,
and it's well known that this member, it's a woman,
(45:21):
is having an affair, a very semi public affair, and
if you're in political circles, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
A reporter walked up to her and said to her,
why are you having this affair? Why haven't you met
up with your husand why don't you divorcing your husband?
And she blurted out to this reporter who.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
I know, and said, oh, my husband's gay.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Like what, didn't even try and I don't know, make
something up. Oh why we're doing it for the kids,
we're still together, Please respect my prep blurt it out,
blurted it out. I don't know if it's going to
come forward. I don't know if they're going to do
a story, and it's maybe to gossiping. I found it
so interesting that they just blurted out and whatever, we'll
(46:09):
see if it comes about. I thought you guys would
find it fascinating. If it becomes a story, I'll talk
more about it. I don't someone's private life, but if
it becomes a story, I just think that it's very
interesting that they this person did not try harder to
protect their spouse in this conversation. All right, let's get
to ask me anything. I know some people really like
(46:29):
the gossip, so I try to give it when I
have it. All right, so they asked Me Anything segment
of this podcast. If you want to part of Ask
Me Anything, email me Ryan at numbers Game podcast dot com.
That's Ryan at numbers Game podcast dot com. The first
question I have is from a friend of mine who
doesn't want their name revealed, which is most friends of
mine when they have to associate with me. They say,
how does someone who has never been pulled get their
(46:53):
voice heard? And what is your implication towards voluntary polling
responses and biases? Okay, this is a great question. So
there is a polling bias in the sense that people
who want to be polls listen. Polling is very expensive, right,
It's extremely expensive. Polls cost thirty forty fifty thousand dollars
per pole. That's why you're seeing fewer and fewer poles
(47:15):
come out. By the way, if you notice there was
a lot more polls back in twenty sixteen and twenty twelve,
when you could just still still sit there and call
a landline or you know, just get a hold too
much easier. It's much harder now and you have to
use different forms of technology to get a hold of somebody.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Well, the.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Story with polling biases. People who answer polls are asked
again more often because they know they're likely to answer,
so it creates a polling bias. And also people who
are highly engaged in polling usually want to answer them more.
That's the kind of like the bias. And you can
see it sometimes in the cross tabs when you see
(47:55):
you'll see a poll and it'll be like Trump is
losing perfect I have perfect perfec. For example an Seltzer
and Seltzer's famous Iowa pull from twenty twenty four. I
called this as BS from the get go, and why
do I call it this bs? From the get go,
they had Trump losing white women over sixty five by
like thirty points. It was his worst demographic. Now, sixty
(48:15):
five year old white women in Iowa are more than
likely fairly religious, evangelical. They're probably not watching Rachel Maddow,
that is, and yet they were overwhelmingly shown in this poll.
They were overwhelmingly noticed in this poll. And you could
just spot it out saying there's there shouldn't be this
forty point demographic fallout with population. It's fairly fixed. It's
(48:38):
not like you know your your there's a huge population
changed in Iowa. It's not like you're importing a million
sixty five year olds and their sixty five year old women.
It was a very obvious thing, and so you can
kind of spot the biases there. And that's why a
lot of these pollsters are showing up huge problems when
it comes to their results, especially when Trump's involved, because
(48:59):
they can't get a hold of the low information voter
or something they don't want to show them. They would
love to that the polster who got it right. A
lot of them can't find them, and they do the
lazy work, and if a poll asks like seventy five
eighty questions, only someone who's so deranged like me would
answer eighty questions to a polster and they can't wait
for it. A normal poll would be like seven eight
(49:21):
questions because someone's got to cook dinner, they got to
go take care of the kids, they got to do
they got to go to work. They're not answering eighty questions.
So you can kind of see the participation rates by
how many questions are asked of whether or not it
has a likelihood have a high voter bias. How do
you get your voice across answer one poll? I mean,
that's basically it. You probably will get polled at least
(49:41):
one point. You can't ask the polster like, oh, please,
please reach out to me, but if you answer once,
you'll more than likely be asked again. I can ask
pretty frequently to answer a poll because they know I
answer them. But I'm the wrong person because I love politics.
I'm too involved.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
You need people who.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Are not so in love to be more representative. Anyway,
that's a great question. Thank you to my friend who
asked a question. Last question of the Paul today comes
from John from Connecticut. He writes, Ryan great podcasts. I
know you favorite jdvans, but what is Disanta's path to
the presidency if you are gaming it out? He can't
wait eight years of JD? Does he need the economy
(50:19):
to crash or what other considerations are at play?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (50:23):
I like both JD and Dessanta's. I think Desanda has
been a great governor JD.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I worked for him.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I'm a big fan of what he does publicly, so
I'm not you know, I'm not besmirching one or the other.
They're two totally different types of animals. And I met
It's very well known because I wrote about it because
it was being leaked about. But I met with Dessanta's
to try to talk to about the twenty twenty four
election primary. And this is Desanta's problem one. The policies
(50:56):
are there, but the vibes aren't. He's got to loose
a lot more. And I sat talking about music the
other day, but it was kind of stiff what he
was saying. He needs to show more that he's a dad.
He needs to show more that he is a person.
He needs to show less about policy. He needs to
build his social media following. That's like more friendly towards
like who he is as a person. I mean, that's
(51:16):
a four year job right there, and I don't know
if he's even comfortable doing that. Like I told when
I talked to the Sandas, I said to him, you
need to bring up the fact that if he for
as good as a ballplayer as you were and as smart
as you are, you would have not likely gotten to
Yale if you were born twenty years apart because you're
a white man and they're discriminated against. And he wouldn't
(51:37):
bring that up. And I know people brought up to
him afterwards and he would not bring that part up.
So he'd have to tactically move to the right in
uncomfortable conversations that I don't think that he's been willing
to have. He needs to show more of his personal side.
But look, unless Jad really says something wild and out there,
(51:59):
or Trump and horses against him, I don't think there's
anyone who could beat him. And I'm just being frank.
I don't even know how to game it out because
it just I just don't see how that's I just
don't see the path. There's only been one vice president
who's ever ran for the party's nomination and lost it
in any sort of living memory, and it was Mike
(52:20):
Pence and it's only because he ran against Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
I think doing what I advised to Santas to do
would help him overall long term if he wanted to
be a senator, which I don't think he wants to be,
or do something else, or prepare for a run at
some point, but it's very difficult to unsee the party's
nominee also talk less about Florida. I was, I told
it to Santa's, like, no one like the whole country
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is in Florida. I know you guys love it down
there and you think you're your own country, but it's
it's not the whole country like some people do want
to live in Michigan. So like, I mean, you got
to talk about bigger things than that. Anyway, I like
Desanta's I'm not I'm not crapping on him, and I
you know, I'm I'm a big fan of JD. But
that's what I would best advise. I guess if I
was going to take on climbing that adverse, which is that?
Speaker 2 (53:09):
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Speaker 1 (53:11):
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Welcome back to a numbers game podcast. Happy Monday. I
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want to tell you all the whole story. The year
was nineteen ninety four, and there was once a boy
named Ryan and his mother made him broccoli and he
threw it out and blamed his little brother and it
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it does help if people find it and listen to it.
So this episode is a bit of a mashup. I
have some data, I have an interview, and I have
some fascinating DC gossip that I think you'll all really like,
and then of course ask me anything. So first on
the data. Everyone is talking about the New York Times
article about voter registration and the Democrats numbers plummeting nationwide. Now,
(01:26):
for those who listen to the show very often, I
have talked about this a lot New Jersey in California especially,
and how it has reflected poorly on the Democratic Party. Unfortunately,
most Americans don't listen to this podcast. So the Times
article seems like it's brand new, and I want to
go through the information really explain it to you in
a deep way. The article is by Shane Goldmacher and
(01:47):
Jonah Smith. I'm not familiar with Jonah Smith, but Shane's
a very solid journalist. I actually invite him on this podcast.
So he writes the Democratic Party is hemorrhaging voters long
before they even go to the poles. Of the thirties
dates that track to registration by political party, Democrats lost
ground to Republicans in every single one between twenty twenty
and twenty twenty four, often by a lot. The four
(02:09):
year swing towards Republicans add up to four point five
million voters, a deep political hole that could take Democrats
years to climb out for out of And they use
L two data to cite this.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
All I've used L two. L two is just a
voter data company.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So basically, if I say, hey, I'm going to do
a school board election in lim Brook, Long Island, or
whatever the case is, L two can provide me data
of who's likely to vote most most often, what party
they're registered under. It's a good company anyway. They use
that data to justify what they're talking about. So a
little background in fact, For the first instance, twenty eighteen
more new voters nationwide chose to be Republicans than Democrats
(02:47):
last year. All told, Democrats lost two point one million
registered voters between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four in
those thirty states that allow people to register by political party,
and Republicans gain two point four million. Consider this, In
twenty eighteen, Democrats accounted for thirty four percent of new
voter registrations nationwide. Republicans were only twenty get In twenty
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twenty four, Republicans had overtaken Democrats. For years, the left
had relied on sprawling network of nonprofits which solicit donations
from people whose identities they do not disclose, to register
black and Latino young voters. Though the groups are technically nonpartisan,
there is an underlying assumption that most of these voters
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will be Democrat. You can't just register young Latino or
young black voter and assume that they're going to know
that it's Democrat and that they have the best policies,
says MS. Cardona, who is a liberal person. Okay, so
stop right there with the article. Buck Sexton had mentioned
this in his podcast, and he was one hundred percent right.
Liberals have been scamming tax nonprofit statuses for years to
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bolster Democratic voter registration. They knew that going into major
urban areas and looking for someone with dark skin would
be a positive assumption that they are more than likely
than not to be Democrat, and probably nine times out
of ten in many cases. But these nonprofits, and I
give them credit, I mean, listen, they have worked the
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system for a long time to give tax breaks to
these liberal donors. Basically, a liberal donor will give a
nonprofit a million dollars or however how much they get
to write off on their taxes as being you know,
beneficial to society, and Democrats get more into registered voters.
I mean, at least Scott Presler has a super pack
where he doesn't get a tax break, you know, for
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registering Republicans. This is explicitly using the tax code to
benefit to benefit Democrats. They claim that the reason they
can't do this anymore though in the same capacity that
they used to, is because of President Trump and how
President Trump has changed the parties. So what they're missing
from the story, what Democrats are missing from this narrative,
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And with the New York Times reporters, and they're good reporters,
but what they're missing from this is that this didn't
happen between twenty and twenty four. It did partially, but
this has been going on for a long time, right,
this at least the last four election cycles. So there's
for a liberal firm called Catalyst, and they did this
big breakdown of the twenty twenty four election in the
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past four elections, specifically looking at young minorities Democrats. This
is among young black men, young black men being those
who are under thirty years old. Democrats won ninety four
percent of young black men in twenty twelve, ninety percent
in twenty sixteen, eighty five percent in twenty twenty, and
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seventy five percent in twenty twenty four. That means that
a quote nonprofit that is registering voters in the inner city,
and they're almost all likely Black or Latino, they had
a chance for every twenty five people they registered to
vote in one of the two major political parties, twenty
four of them would be guaranteed Democrats young Black men
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twenty four to twenty five twelve years ago. It's not
that long ago, but a little by little it's been
taken away. For young Hispanic it's been young Hispanic men. Rather,
it's been even more extreme. Democrats went from winning seventy
one percent of young Latino men in twenty twelve to
sixty seven percent in twenty sixteen, to sixty three percent
in twenty twenty, to forty seven percent in twenty twenty four.
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It's all according to catalyst, and I want to point
out that it is a trend because it is important
to notice. Very few major political changes happen overnight. Right
even the white working classes changed for Republicans. The last
time that there was a overnight transformation, I would say
would be like Cubans in the nineteen sixty who did
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change overnight with the Cuban missile crisis and the Bay
of Pigs, like it was a overnight transformation. But that's
probably the last one. It's probably the last time there
was an overnight transformation of a specific demographic for a
specific reason, because Democrats among young black men lost four
percent between twenty twelve to twenty sixteen, five percent from
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twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, and ten percent from twenty
twenty twenty twenty four. Among young Latino men four percent
from twenty twelve, four percent from twenty sixteen, and then
sixteen percent between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four. They
had that shift going on, they just refused to notice
it until it was too big, and not to notice
until instead of going from twenty four out of twenty
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five young black men being Democrats to being three out
of four, which is substantially less, and they don't want
to risk bolstering so many more Republicans. Okay, back to
the article not so long ago. In twenty eighteen, democrats
accounted for sixty six percent of new voters under forty
five who registered with one of the two major parties.
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Yet in twenty twenty four, that share has fallen to
forty eight percent. In other words, Republicans went from roughly
one third of newly registered voters under forty five to
a majority in over six years. The story is leaker
for Democrats in some key states. In Nevada, which releases
particular detailed data, Republicans added twice as many voters under
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thirty five as Democrats did. The shift among men is
substantially different. From nearly forty nine percent of newly registered
voters and a major party chose the Democrats in twenty twenty,
that number went to thirty nine percent in twenty twenty four.
I want to focus on men because that's really where
you're seeing these crazy numbers. Zachary Donini, who I've had
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on this podcast. He is a data scientist for Decision Desk.
He posted that young white men, young white men, those
being probably under thirty, definitely under thirty, maybe even under
twenty five, are really the catalyst. Now there's a big
shift among young Latinos. They're a majority of young Latino
men voting, registering Republican one in four young black men.
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But I want to talk about young white men for
a second, because it is the biggest demographic among young
men in this country. Young white men, according to Ainy,
are registering or a Republican at an on precedented level.
White men born in the eighties and early nineties, my
generation right, who came of age when George W. Bush
was president, and I know some people like him. I
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thought it was a horrible president. But they almost broke
fifty to fifty Democrat Republican white men, which is like
the Republican's key demographic. It was really bad when they
started registering voting because the other the Iraq War, and
Bush was just horrible. Now, young white men who register
for one of the two major parties register seventy one
to twenty nine Republican. It is the highest amount of
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any generation recorded since the nineteen thirties. Seventy one to
twenty nine. That is fifty That was almost fifty points,
or it's forty five points, whatever, it's forty two. Sorry,
my internal math numbers coup in catching up forty two points.
So although it's a six point Republican majority among young Latinos,
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and it's they're losing young young blacks by fifty points
instead of you know, ninety two points. That forty two
point bump for young white men is the game. It's
it's that that is the number game. That is their path.
As they continue to vote, as they vote more frequently,
as they start paying taxes and becoming older and being
more involved, that is the game for Republicans to grow substantially.
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Growing up hearing that you're a cancer for being a
young white man, being you're part of the patriarchy, you
are responsible for the victimhood of all generations throughout history,
absolutely propelled this group of people. And even young white women,
by the way, register a majority Republican fifty three to
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forty seven. Obviously not nearly as much as men. But
it's not what you would think watching the internet where
you see that all these like blue haired, short shaped,
you know, white women who are all screaming about abortion progressive.
No majority white women, young white women are registering Republican. Now,
I want to remind you all that the trend of
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young people and minorities moving to the right is not
isolated to America. We're seeing trends among minorities in basically
every part of the Anglo world, in Australia, in Canada
and the UK, more and more, especially Indian and Arab
immigrant children who are registering to vote in those countries
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are increasingly voting for the Republican like party of the
Tories or the Canadian Conservative Party or whatnot. Zachary Dnini
once again, he actually looked at the name Mohammad, which
is Zachary is so smart. He looked at the name
Mohammad because it's obviously a very specific ethnicity, it's a
very specific religion. Men who were born in nineteen sixty
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with the name Mohammad registered eighty eight to twelve Democrat.
Men born in two thousand and five with the name
Mohammad registered fifty nine forty one Democrat. Look at that
drop with this demo graphic, and this is a demographic
who probably is pro Gaza, probably is or on the
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side of the palace stating and people. Rather, this is
a demographic who has a lot in common on its
space of the Democratic Party, and yet they are abandoning
them because the people who run the Democra Party aren't
screaming college educated women or black activists saying you should
feel bad. I need reparations, I am the victim, or
don't you shouldn't arrest somebody for burning down a building,
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burning down a school, not a school, but you know,
a store or whatever. Now let's look at some key states,
because remember, only thirty states have registered people by party registration. Okay,
so places like Texas, Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin, they don't register
people by party. I wish they did it make my
life a lot easier, but they don't. So I'm going
to go over a few states because I think that
that's important, just to highlight a few. One last thing
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voter registration except for new voters. Right, if you're eighteen
in registering for the first time, you obviously didn't change party.
But if you are changing parties and you're thirty, you're
forty or fifty or sixty or whatever, it is the
last thing to do before you've been a full transformation
from one party to the other. In other words, no
one who at fifty five years old, who has voted
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most of their life, who's re registering party registration as
a Republican is because they're voting Republican for the first
time ever. And not in most cases. Rather, so you're
likely have voted Republican. If you're a demok registered Democrat
and you're making the switch or vice versa, you have
voted Republican for ten years, but you're friendly changing parties.
So it's the last thing that ever ends up happening. Okay,
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So let's look at West Virginia because it is the
most extreme cases. It's not a swing state that on
many congressional seats, but it is the It's almost all white,
it is working class, very little college education, and it
is a zeitgeist into the or it is a it
is a it is a perfect analogy into the broader
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crisis democrats are having with white working class people. Remember
West Virginia, for as Republican as it is now, was
one of the few states that Jimmy Carter won over
Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty. It is a state that
voted for Bill Clinton twice. It is a state that
probably if Hillary Clinton was the nomine in two thousand
and eight, she'd be competitive, and Al Gore almost won
it in two thousand, so that's not that long ago.
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It was a solid, solid democratic state, more democratic than
like New Jersey, was from twenty sixteen until August twenty
twenty five, Democrats lost forty one point five percent of
all their registered voters in that state forty forty one
point five percent. Republicans grew their registration by twenty six percent.
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And I'm using twenty sixteen right, which is different than
the New York Times article, because here's what happened. Between
twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. Most state Democratic parties saw
a big bump because it was you know, Trump's in power,
it's fascism, it's you know, everyone puts your pink pussy
hats on and sit there and start screaming into the
wild like that was happening for those four years, and
that bolster Democrat registration, and then twenty twenty happens. Obviously, yes,
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Biden's in charge, but the great wokeism happens, and you know,
everyone's being me tooed and everyone's being canceled, and everyone's
are racist, and you know, we have to have the
trans bathing suits for six year olds of target. All
that stuff happens post twenty twenty. But I'm looking at
the long view from twenty sixteen. Okay, in Nevada, since
twenty sixteen, No Democrats have actually grown their voter registration
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in Nevada. Nevada is a very fast growing state, so
this makes sense. Democrats gained thirty three thousand, five hundred
registered voters. Republicans gained almost one hundred and nineteen thousand
registered Republicans. In New Hampshire, a semi swing state which
has Republican local government Democrat federal government, Democrats have lost
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five percent of all their registered voters, Republicans have gained.
Republicans actually have a plurality of all or sorry, they
have more registered Republicans in the state of New Hampshire
than Demorcrats. In Pennsylvania, the most important swing state in
the country, Democrats have lost sixteen percent of all their
registered voters since twenty sixteen. Republicans have gained six percent.
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I have increased their popular their numbers by six percent.
You have to two things. Democrats had nine hundred thousand
more registered voters than Republicans in twenty sixteen. That's down
to fifty nine thousand this time. And Scott Presser has
done a lot of work and people have done a
lot of work in Pennsylvania. But there's one thing that
no one ever talks about, and I want to talk
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about it for one second, about Pennsylvania specifically. In twenty sixteen,
there was an article I think it was my, it
was my Nate Cohen, it was by It was in
five point thirty eight. It's called like the missing white voter.
If Trump can find them, there are there were. As
a twenty sixteen there were forty four million non college
educated white Americans who were not registered to vote, and
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million of them lived in one state in particular, and
that was Pennsylvania. So what happened in twenty twenty three
that didn't really make a lot of national news, Well,
Governor Josh Shapiro announced automatic voter registration for people when
they get driver's licenses, So everyone who renews, all of
a sudden has to register, vote, and register in a
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major political party. And though the decline for the Democratic
Party was happening before that happened, it expedited the process.
Republicans started gaining thousands more than Democrats after that happened
because all the non college educated white Americans who never
bothered to vote, but all of a sudden it had
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to register to vote, who were registering Republican in huge numbers,
and that was a major game changer in Pennsylvania that
I think Joshapiro did not think long terms. I don't
know if you would have done the same thing over
again if he would have known how horrible it was
for his party, last, but not least, the state of Florida.
Because this is I mean, this is this is the
whole kit and kaboodle. Democrats in twenty sixteen and three
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hundred and fifty thousand more registered members of their party
than Republicans. And since twenty sixteen, Democrats lost seven hundred
thousand registered members their party and Republicans gained one million,
one million. It is a collapse of a party that
has no chance in the third largest day in this
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country for a very, very, very long time. I don't
even know how you rebuild a party in that kind
of situation. And once again, the differs from what I'm
saying in the New York Times. I'm looking at the
long view, looking since twenty sixteen, because I think that
it's important to see that even when you count the
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resist Trump voter surge that happened when you know he
first took office and Madonna sanctioned to blow up the
White House and all the rest of it, and Kathy
Griffin is holding up a you know, is a fake
head and is bleeding, even when you include that Democrats
are in a worse place years later, even when you
consider all of that. Okay, that's enough for the data.
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I have a great interesting guest coming up next. I
saw him online and I was like, I got to
talk to this kid. I think you guys would find
him fascinating. That's coming up right after this. So I
was scrolling on Twitter a couple of days ago, maybe
a wee could go now, and I came across this
episode of Jubilee. It's this kind of crazy website where
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twenty people scream at one person, and there was an
activist by name Amanda Seals. I think I'm pouncing her
last thing correctly, and she was debating twenty black conservatives
and this young man, Matt Nuclear who's with us today,
was on and he was really smart and came across
really thought provoking, and I want to have him on
the pod and talk about the debate experience and how
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he became such a well spoken conservative. And you're eighteen
years old, right.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Matt, I Indiana, i'ma maintained, I'm turning nineteen in two months,
So how did you get invited to Jubilee. I've been
doing like TikTok live debates for a bit, and I
believe that they invited me from that specifically. It's not
like I asked them to come on. And I was
supposed to originally do a different episode that was canceled.
But because they, you know, like my performance on the
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episode that got canceled, they invited me back to debate
a radical, you know, black person, and I was like, sure,
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So how long are you there for? By the way,
is it hours and hours? I believe I believe that
was three hours or two hours?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It was that long. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So now Amanda I never heard of Amanda Steals before.
Her position was.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
What her position essentially was that reparations were just and necessary.
I mean she's also now came out and to that
black on black crime does not exist and it's not
something of any relevancy whatsoever. And essentially that you know,
black people are being oppressed by white people and this
is why these sort of disparities exist.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Now, you were you were really really smart, and how
you came across what was your biggest oppositions to what
she said?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Are you naturally very conservative? Yeah, I am typically very
conservative on basically almost everything, Okay, but I just naturally
opposed to these handout to that this really isn't going
to fix any problem. Like I told her, if you
hand every black person fifty thousand dollars check in America,
it isn't really going to increase the median huscle income
by any significant amount in the next decade or two.
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It's not really going to change anything significantly. What we
need to do is bring back the black nuclear family
and you know, you know, stop the issues and reference
to violence and reference to gain crime, and then we
can see some improvements. But this idea that handing people
a check is going to change something radically is just humorous.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Now, how was she packs each other? I think you
dm me said that she wanted to cut you off,
or she didn't want parts of what you said aired right.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No, No, it's it's she just didn't want to debate me.
Like there was a point where, like I said, redlining
didn't exist to the extent that you know, they tried
to act as if it existed, and you didn't want
to debate me right there, Like she literally asked the
producers just not to debate me, and so they, well,
they just wanted her to just finish that debate. They
try to encourage her to just finish that debate. And yeah,
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I mean she kept threatening to quit debating a lot
of people, like multiple different times during the break. I mean,
it was it was insane. But that's that's wild, you
know what.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I don't and this would never happen with a white
conservative versus white liberal, but she did it to you.
She said at one point, talk to me like I'm
your mama or something. We would never say that to
each other. What was your reaction when.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
She said that? Well, I just thought, like, what is
what is going on with this woman? Like is is
she okay in the head? Like, I don't know how
that's a normal thing you can say to someone, like
we're having a conversation and someone makes an argument and
you are like, you know, speak to me as if
I was your mama, Like, well, who says things like that.
It's not a normal thing to say. And I remember
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watching the Megan Kelly Show. There was a guy on
there who was like, when if I told someone, you know,
speak to me as if I was their father during
the middle of a conversation doesn't really make any sense.
It's a weird thing. And yeah, that's a weird way
to respond to someone's argument, is they should treat you
or speak to you as if they were you know
the mother WHOA sorry, it's just so weird.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
What was was her?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
A lot of her arguments?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I mean, there were grains from what I heard of it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I didn't watch the entire episode.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I literally just watched your segment because I thought you
were really really well spoken, especially for such a young
man and who doesn't do this for a living. There
were like grains of truth and then a lot of
emotional attachment to that. Is that what you found when
she was talking to you?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think so. But I didn't really find that a
lot of grains of truth really either. I mean, she
try to act as if black people are still not
considered what like a full person in America, which obviously
isn't true. So yeah, I mean, it was not a
lot of truth. And when, to be honest, I have
a hypothesis.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So I'm from Queens, New York, where most Black Americans
living in my county are immigrants right there from Jamaica, Caribbean,
they have the highest household income of any group of people, right,
I mean far so exceeding even white This is according
to the New York Times. You're an immigrant from I
think Angola, Right.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, I came from America in six.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So do you think because you were not broad? Maybe
you were, but were you.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Kind of.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Kind of thrown at what you expect of the black
experience in America in the same way that maybe somebody
who's general, who's been here for generations would have been.
Or maybe because because immigrants from Africa, not all of Africa,
like Sudan and Somalians are not really exceeding, but but
immigrants from Jamaica, Angla, black immigrant from Jamaica and gol
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a place like that, Nigeria, they do Kenya, they exceed
Black Americans who have been here since slavery. Do you
think because having a more immigrant experience had brought you
different kinds of potential and different kinds of understanding what
it's like to be an American maybe change why you're
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more conservative?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Is that part? I think? I think it may have
influenced me a little bit, But I just have to
preface it by saying I was raised here. I mean,
I've been living here since I was six years old.
Not a lot of people, not a lot of people
can tell you, you know, what they were doing prior to
the age of six, or even remember a lot of
those things, right, So the only difference was is that
I was raised in Maine, which is like a significant
majority white state, although I did live around a black
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immigrant community as well, and you know, I was taught
you know, by my parents, I should respect this country,
I should be grateful for being in this country. And
so I've always had this kind of like appreciative look
on America and its founding in general, where a lot
of you know, people like a man Oficios obviously are
not very appreciative at all, And that might be some
of the distinctions and some of the differences. But apart
(25:52):
from that, yeah, I think my experience.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
When I when I said the Emmergan experience, I more
meant in your parents than you, Yeah, because your parents
would have probably been more like, you need to hustle
and make it and do everything that you possibly can.
Have a different appreciation than somebody.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Who's kind of been.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Rightly or wrongly kind of bay them multi generational of
like feelings of you know, you're a victim. You're a victim,
and also every institution will rewards you for believing you're
a victim.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah. No, my parents, especially my mother has always told
me to be appreciative of this country and to always
look back at you know, where people in Engla, the
DRC or an id year it currently are. And so
that's that's one of the reasons why I have been
a conservative or someone who is proud of this country
is because of the opportunity this country has given me
and the opportunity this country has given Black Americans. They
should be very much proud too. I don't get the
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entitlement because while they may be making I don't know
on average, I don't know, is it thirty six thousany
five thousand dollars a year? There are people are living
off of a dollar a year right now, right our
people in Africa. So it's like very much. You got
to be very much appreciative, right, I mean, you would
much rather be a black black in America than black
and Sudan. Right. Try to act as if they wouldn't.
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They try to act as if it's like there's always
this constant mention of the transatlantic slave trade, which did happen.
But let's be honest, Like when the Europeans were sailing south,
either from North America or whatever, It's not like they
would sail all the way down to Subseran African to
start grabbing people, grabbing these Africans who are running constantly.
That's not something that is even it makes any sense.
(27:23):
These people were already brought as slaves by other African
rulers of the coast because they knew Europeans would be
there ready to trade, you know, give them items, gun
and stuff like that for these slaves. It's the majority
of these slaves were brought by Sub Saharan Africans themselves, who,
by the way, really didn't want the transit land slave
trade to end because they were enriching themselves, which she
(27:45):
failed to understand with her you know degree in that
African American studies.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Do you have you been to Angle since moving here?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
No? No, no Ah, you've ever been back? Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I was wondering if there was a different opinion of
black slavery in Africa versus America. I'm sure there is.
I just don't know what is I've never been in Africa,
but I just something that kind of popped in my head.
What you know, I've been doing this whole thing today
about the New York Times piece about voter registration right,
and how voter registration has changed away from Democratic Party,
(28:17):
especially for specifically young men. You are a young man,
you're eighteen years old. Is this something that you have
noticed a phenomenon among other young men in your age group?
Because young men, young black men went from voting I
think ninety six percent for Democrats in twenty twelve just
something like seventy five percent. So I went from like
(28:38):
twenty four to twenty five to one in four. We're
voting republic when I was twenty five, voting Republican twelve
years ago, when you were like six, and now it's
like one in four. That's a hu tremendous growth. Is
that something that you've seen among other like this growth
of it, this acceptance, is normalization something you've seen among
other young men your age?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I definitely have seen it. And the reason obvious for
why this is the case is because the Democratic Party
really isn't giving any solutions. All they are doing is
telling black people that you're a perpetual victim, and to
freak out whenever there is a white man or a
white police officer who want alives you when we have
you know, black men being unlived every single day in America,
And it's really a hypocritical perspective to act as if
(29:18):
it is, you know, this atrocity, this significant injustice when
you don't come outside every day when there are black
men being un alive in southside Chicago. So are you
really black lives matter? Or are you trying to just
make white people look bad? Right?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, well you grew up in Maine, you said, which
is a fairly liberal state. It's not the most liberal.
It's not Vermont, it's really liberal.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Do you what do you like when you speak to
like young, younger white people who have a tremendous level
of white guilt or like they're extremely woke around race relations.
How do you approach that? Because you know a lot
more I feel like than the average person on even
like slavery, with what you mentioned today, Yeah, I try
to approach with just some like basic questions.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You know that do you ever participate in slavery? Do
you believe in generational punishment? Right? Countries like North Korea
have like the three generational rule where if you know
you do something, your children will suffer and you know
your your father will suffer or something like that. I mean,
you don't you shouldn't have to pay for the consequences
of your ancestors. Not to mention, many of these white
people today did arrive as immigrants in the seventeen hundreds
(30:24):
or eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds, so a lot of
them weren't even you know, their their family lineage, weren't
even owning any slaves. They should still have to pay reparations.
A lot of this is fallacious, and there has been
reparations in terms of investment in low income black communities already.
For example, I'm pretty sure what is they have Baltimore.
I think, yeah, Baltimore public schools, it's twenty two thousand,
(30:45):
five hundred like dollars per students. There in Utah it's
like half that, with like eleven thousand per student. And
yet there's a big difference in like you know, test scores,
in like school outcomes and so on and so forth.
So it's not even just funding. A lot of this
has to do with, you know, the nuclear family, with
prioritizing education, with having a father in the home, like
(31:07):
all of those different other factors. We just know that
pumping money into things just doesn't fix issues as long
as much as like I know, that's what democrats want
to hear and what leftists want to hear, that if
you just pump money into these different things and don't
focus on any cultural problems because there is no cultural
problems according to the left, that that will fix the issue.
But it just doesn't prove to be true.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's basically everything in Thomasaul has been saying for eighty
five years. What did you ever read him?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
By the way, yes, Thomas Soul, He's also a big inspiration.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Where did you get your concern? I mean you said
your parents, but like where did you learn things from
the internet mostly or did you read or.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think a combination of a little bit of both.
I've looked into Ben Carson, Thomas Soul, and I've just
done a lot of a decent amount of reading. Not
I would say, like a crazy amount of ring, but
I've done decent amount of reading in general. In reference
to looking at things online, looking at statistics, looking at
the facts, looking at the data, and then just starting
to kind of figure things out, right, like one set up,
one step at a time, trying to figure things out.
And then middle started tiktoking your opinion right, just started Yeah,
(32:06):
just started doing stick to doll lives.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Normal gen Z stuff. So just two quick things. So
one actually brought up to schools and in have you
heard of the miracle from Mississippi? Have you heard of
this phenomenon? Mississippi changed a rule when it came to education,
which basically means if you could not read at a
third grade level, you could not go to fourth grade.
And there was basically no exemptions. And it was ten
years but there was very little financial increases. But they
(32:29):
got everyone on board. They retrained teachers, they did the
science of reading, and black Americans in Mississippi actually have
higher test scores than black Americans in Maryland, right among
many other places. Refusing to allow people to fail and
they fail forwards especially is a huge incentive to really
improving the overall standards. Is this something that like is
(32:53):
a broad understanding among like, I mean, I can know
it's for conservatives, but I know I'm asking you a
question me a conservative. Yeah, I believe it's like for
other black people.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I don't know if it's abroad, I don't think most
black people would necessarily agree with that. I'm not necessarily sure.
I would assume that they probably you know, woul Int
grew with it. But like I think it's I think
it's better for us to focus on, you know, the whole,
like no Child Left Behind, steff just doesn't work, Like
we have the data on this stuff. Nothing really is
fixed by the trying to fix theseusparities, like the whole
(33:26):
Lebron James School that's heavily funded still received like low
test word. I'm pretty sure like the Akron Akron aboard
they figured out that. Hold on, there's so much money
being pumped in, why are the test scores not, you know,
significantly increasing. So, yeah, there's there's cultural.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Issues here right in among an immigrant you see you're
you're with a lot of African immigrants in Maine. Was
this a broadly accepted concept among African immigrants in America
that the family unit is so important to raising people?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Right? Is that?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Is that a big difference between African Americans there's African immigrants.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
No, absolutely, I think there's a different cultural there's a
significant cultural difference when it comes to that. I believe
that we're much more appreciative when it comes to United States,
less entitled as well more grateful because of where we're
coming from specifically and understanding that. And yeah, big emphasis
on the family.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
There's a huge difference from how I've noticed my friends
who are African and Caribbean immigrants, how they speak of
Black Americans, including my own family members. I have a
few family mems who are Black Caribbean and they are
They do not speak about African Americans the sentence of
slaves very well. Just little note, side note. I don't
know if you can agree and disagree, but I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But the the interesting trend that no one really talks
about or knows is that black fertility rates African Americans
hill rates is decline substantially. It's actually lower than whites
for the first time I think almost ever documented. And
a bigger and bigger percentage of people who have children
today who are Black have ancestry in immigration right, which
(35:06):
is completely different from all historical standards. I wonder if
that changes the dynamics of the future of how Black
Americans a significant portion no longer rooting their life to slavery,
into redlining and to everything else will change their relationship
either not only just between the parties and African Americans,
(35:28):
but African Americans' opinions of our own country because it
is very low.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I believe it. I believe it would. It's definitely a
possibility that there's going to definitely be some change there
in general. But I also do see a lot of
African Americans who try to assimilate into Black American culture
a lot of the times, and you know that's also something.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So what does that means assimiling in Black American culture?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Well, I think a lot of them that are immigrants
who come here try to do this thing where they're
trying to necessarily fit in with all of the narratives
surrounding Black America Erica, and to me, I find find
it a lot of cringe cringeing. I'm not saying Black
American culture is just gang violence, because of course there's
more than just gang violence, but a lot of them
do specifically try to get on the negative parts and
(36:11):
try to, you know, join gangs or be in the
street life in general, which I don't understand how you
could after you come from a third world country and
you're given such an opportunity, but you know, stuff works
right now?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I I that's that's really interesting. I live a lot
of times in the zeep South. A half the year
I spend in Louisiana, so I see a lot of
a lot of that, more than I than I care to.
What do you think if you're a young person, if
you you do some TikTok all the time, what are
like three two or three things that like young people
are talking about on the internet As far as because
(36:45):
you talk a lot about Israel and other things, I've
noticed I saw some of your tiktoks?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
What made you engage? Like?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
What are the topics that you ask so often find
yourself engaged? Obviously it's not all race relations as it
was in this you you Believe video? No, yeah, it's
fleeen Israel and Palestine. And the reason why I started
engaging in those conversations is because I kind of I
saw the whole cures for Palestine movement and I'm like,
how can you support people who would literally want you
dead and don't align with the views whatsoever? And you know,
(37:12):
I went into the whole conversation about you know, Israel
being that's basically the only democracy in the Middle East,
the only country where Arabs can vote in the Middle East,
in the only country that is not an open deocracy
in the Middle East, who was attacked and should have
the right to at least defend itself as any other
country would probably behaved if they were an attacked in
the same exact way. And so what I felt that
(37:33):
I have a duty as an American to support our
ally and give justifications for why we support our ally
and why a lot of people just don't have good
reasons as to why we shouldn't support Israel. And so
that's kind of how I got into that whole thing,
and it kind of leaks over into the whole idea
of colonialism of people who are who are victims versus
(37:58):
you know, people who can com people who commit atroscies
on people versus victims. Their whole understanding, I'm very basic understanding.
I have like two woke white lived cousins who like
say shit like this all the time, but they're like
they very much opinion is well, if they are brown
or therefore they must be victims.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It kind of does boil down to that. Did you
ever come across absolutely that is essentially left this ideology.
A lot of people ask me why don't people care
about the DRC or Sudan. Is it because the people
that are black? And that's not really the reason, because
the Arabs in Gaza are not much different from the
Arabs in Cyria or the Arabs in Yemen, who have
went through worse things and have you know, actually experienced
(38:36):
a lot of hunger while Kaza has received the most
amount of food or capita. And it's not about the
death count obviously either. So what the MA main issue
is that the left in order for them to care
about anything, is that there has to be a white
or if you know, they state they make Jews white
in order if for it to fit the narrative, you know,
oppressor slash brown black victim. If there's not that dynamic,
(38:56):
then they don't really care. It's not about atrocities, it's
not about who's hungry. It's not about what's going on
and how bad it is, how bad the conditions are.
Because when the Rwanda, which is a black majority country
in some Seran Africa, invades at the RC while they're
both black guys, so we can't call Rwanda apparently a
colonizer because you know, white people never imperialize each other,
or black people can't imperialize each other. So it's just
(39:17):
typicualt left this ideology, and that leaks othern to America.
What you said before, why don't you care about the
southside of Chicago because it's a black person killing another
black person? Exactly, it's typical left this ideology, the same
thing that works with BLM, the same thing that works
with the you know, radical movements. You have to have
(39:37):
that sort of dynamic. You have to have someone to
blame right.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Right, and unlike I think, unlike leftist theory from even
thirty years ago when I was a kid, which is
a lot of which is a lot of rooted in
class dynamics, it's almost all race dynamics.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Now.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I mean there's, I guess hints of class dynamics, but
it's almost.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
All the basis of race.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
And I wonder if that has affected because I said
this in the in the in the monogue earlier, seventy
one percent of white young white men are now registering
Republicans people who are born when you were born, right,
That has never happened before, and there's been an increase
in black and Hispanic too. But I wonder if the
overwhelming consciousness of race being the center of everything has
(40:23):
really turned down young gen Z men like yourself.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh no, absolutely, And people say, you know, black fatigue
and all these different things. It's really just leftist fatigue
and leftist ideology fatigue in general. I mean, I think
everyone's tired of it. I think this is why many
young men, regardless of black or white or you know,
leaning more conservative, leaning more right, and which is why
the Democratic Party is losing out of support, because people
are tired of the Democratic Parties, you know, you know,
exhausted arguments that people are tired of hearing the other victim.
(40:51):
People are tired of not getting any answers or any
explanations whatsoever. And of course it's made the popular party,
I mean, made it more unpopular. And when you have
someone like, for sample, a man of seals who responds
to people's arguments by saying that, you know, treat me
as if I was your mom, or speak to me
as if I was your mom, it's not really, you know,
anything that's compelling. It's not a compelling argument whatsoever. So
I don't know how can they not lose a part
(41:12):
when that's how they behave, when they behave out of emotionality.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Two quick questions, so too, last questions. One, is there
anything you didn't get to say in that Jubilee debate
that you wished you would have that you could say now?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, I think I wanted to mention more, you know,
in like ways that racism has been happening against white people.
I did mention the University of Western Washington, but for example,
Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, who has been touting
the amount of black people he's hired for his you know, administration,
and help few white people and all those different things.
The DJ Actually, I think the Civil Rights Division specifically
(41:45):
opened up an investigation into Brandon Johnson because of that, obviously,
and that's another waste of something racism has been going on.
I also wanted to mention United air Yeah, United Airlines,
because they said that what in the year twenty fifty,
I don't know that there or forty percent of the
pilots will be block It's like this weird thing where
you're like, we know for a fact, by this year
(42:06):
we're going to have this many black pilots and we're
totally not discriminating anyone to get to that point, totally
not right. So I think I wanted to mention that
as well, because it's like, it's it's silly if if
any this is the thing is that it's so hypocritical.
A lot of black people can do things that white
people could never do or even say. Right, if any
like you know, black person you know, owned any company
(42:26):
and said I'm going to make sure that this is
going to be fifty percent black by this year, no
one's gonna have a problem. Then I's gonna figure out.
If a white person said I'm gona sure this is
fifty or sixty percent white by this year, everyone goes out.
I might as well, you know, do riots and loot
from small businesses when that happens, right, So it's it's
just humorous. Everyone's tired of this whole you know, you know,
white people are guilty, White people are evil, colonizers, and
(42:47):
all these sorts of different things. People are tired of it.
And that's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Do you find that in like your own life in
Maine like that? I mean I asked this before, but like,
is it more common than not even in a blue
place like that. But do you ever find someone who,
like a white kid, who does say those things and
you're like, Wow, this is really refreshing and doesn't come
off like a crazy person to you.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Well, I didn't. Well, when I was in Maine, I
didn't really hear much people will specifically talk about that.
The people in Maine, by the way, are very nice
in general, very kind hearted people, although I did is
a majority liberal state, but in general, I mean, I
don't know if I've ever heard a lot of these
arguments from the white people in main in general. I
don't think that they're really willing to say that because
they think that you might come out as racist or evil,
(43:31):
which you know, brings me to another point is the
fact that if we were sitting across from NSCLS and
we were white, she would definitely be calling us racist, okay,
And she tried to exclude me by oh, well, you
you know, you came from Africa a little later than
my family did, therefore were better than you in some
sort of way or something.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, are more like got that, yes, which is really
silly as well. If a white person ever said that
you're less authentically American to a black person, it would
also be considered racist. Matt, where can people go to
like listen to you more and see more of your stuff?
Because I think you're really engaging, that you're really smart.
I think you could have a big career in this.
And I was tweeting about you like crazy, saying someone
(44:09):
and I think you're to twenty thousand followers close to.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
On Twitter and I at twenty one point three or
four thousand followers now, and and I appreciate everyone follow
the kind messages and generosity. People can find me on
the X. I did finally fix my handle. It's just
Matt nuclear X. It is Matt Nuclear. On TikTok. It
is Matt Nuclear also on YouTube, and I'm going to
create a Instagram account as well pretty soon so people
(44:32):
can find me there. Yeah, and you're going to talk
about Israel and other stuff like this or yeah, I
talk about multiple different subjects, whether it's Israel also semic racism,
any of these different things.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Awesome, Matt, You're really smart. I can't wait to see
where you go with this stuff. And I think that
I think you have a bright future ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
So thank you so much for having you onrun.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You're listening to it's a numbers game with Ryan Grodowski.
We'll be right back after this message. Well, I think
Matt Nuclear was super interesting. I hope you liked him
all right.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
So a piece of DC gossip that I heard that
I thought you guys would find fascinating. There is a
member of Trump's cabinet. I'm not going to name names
until this comes out publicly, but you guys put two
and two together and you'll know what I'm talking about.
There is a member of the cabinet who's well known,
and it's well known that this member, it's a woman,
(45:21):
is having an affair, a very semi public affair, and
if you're in political circles, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
A reporter walked up to her and said to her,
why are you having this affair? Why haven't you met
up with your husand why don't you divorcing your husband?
And she blurted out to this reporter who.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
I know, and said, oh, my husband's gay.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Like what, didn't even try and I don't know, make
something up. Oh why we're doing it for the kids,
we're still together, Please respect my prep blurt it out,
blurted it out. I don't know if it's going to
come forward. I don't know if they're going to do
a story, and it's maybe to gossiping. I found it
so interesting that they just blurted out and whatever, we'll
(46:09):
see if it comes about. I thought you guys would
find it fascinating. If it becomes a story, I'll talk
more about it. I don't someone's private life, but if
it becomes a story, I just think that it's very
interesting that they this person did not try harder to
protect their spouse in this conversation. All right, let's get
to ask me anything. I know some people really like
(46:29):
the gossip, so I try to give it when I
have it. All right, so they asked Me Anything segment
of this podcast. If you want to part of Ask
Me Anything, email me Ryan at numbers Game podcast dot com.
That's Ryan at numbers Game podcast dot com. The first
question I have is from a friend of mine who
doesn't want their name revealed, which is most friends of
mine when they have to associate with me. They say,
how does someone who has never been pulled get their
(46:53):
voice heard? And what is your implication towards voluntary polling
responses and biases? Okay, this is a great question. So
there is a polling bias in the sense that people
who want to be polls listen. Polling is very expensive, right,
It's extremely expensive. Polls cost thirty forty fifty thousand dollars
per pole. That's why you're seeing fewer and fewer poles
(47:15):
come out. By the way, if you notice there was
a lot more polls back in twenty sixteen and twenty twelve,
when you could just still still sit there and call
a landline or you know, just get a hold too
much easier. It's much harder now and you have to
use different forms of technology to get a hold of somebody.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Well, the.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Story with polling biases. People who answer polls are asked
again more often because they know they're likely to answer,
so it creates a polling bias. And also people who
are highly engaged in polling usually want to answer them more.
That's the kind of like the bias. And you can
see it sometimes in the cross tabs when you see
(47:55):
you'll see a poll and it'll be like Trump is
losing perfect I have perfect perfec. For example an Seltzer
and Seltzer's famous Iowa pull from twenty twenty four. I
called this as BS from the get go, and why
do I call it this bs? From the get go,
they had Trump losing white women over sixty five by
like thirty points. It was his worst demographic. Now, sixty
(48:15):
five year old white women in Iowa are more than
likely fairly religious, evangelical. They're probably not watching Rachel Maddow,
that is, and yet they were overwhelmingly shown in this poll.
They were overwhelmingly noticed in this poll. And you could
just spot it out saying there's there shouldn't be this
forty point demographic fallout with population. It's fairly fixed. It's
(48:38):
not like you know your your there's a huge population
changed in Iowa. It's not like you're importing a million
sixty five year olds and their sixty five year old women.
It was a very obvious thing, and so you can
kind of spot the biases there. And that's why a
lot of these pollsters are showing up huge problems when
it comes to their results, especially when Trump's involved, because
(48:59):
they can't get a hold of the low information voter
or something they don't want to show them. They would
love to that the polster who got it right. A
lot of them can't find them, and they do the
lazy work, and if a poll asks like seventy five
eighty questions, only someone who's so deranged like me would
answer eighty questions to a polster and they can't wait
for it. A normal poll would be like seven eight
(49:21):
questions because someone's got to cook dinner, they got to
go take care of the kids, they got to do
they got to go to work. They're not answering eighty questions.
So you can kind of see the participation rates by
how many questions are asked of whether or not it
has a likelihood have a high voter bias. How do
you get your voice across answer one poll? I mean,
that's basically it. You probably will get polled at least
(49:41):
one point. You can't ask the polster like, oh, please,
please reach out to me, but if you answer once,
you'll more than likely be asked again. I can ask
pretty frequently to answer a poll because they know I
answer them. But I'm the wrong person because I love politics.
I'm too involved.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
You need people who.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Are not so in love to be more representative. Anyway,
that's a great question. Thank you to my friend who
asked a question. Last question of the Paul today comes
from John from Connecticut. He writes, Ryan great podcasts. I
know you favorite jdvans, but what is Disanta's path to
the presidency if you are gaming it out? He can't
wait eight years of JD? Does he need the economy
(50:19):
to crash or what other considerations are at play?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (50:23):
I like both JD and Dessanta's. I think Desanda has
been a great governor JD.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I worked for him.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I'm a big fan of what he does publicly, so
I'm not you know, I'm not besmirching one or the other.
They're two totally different types of animals. And I met
It's very well known because I wrote about it because
it was being leaked about. But I met with Dessanta's
to try to talk to about the twenty twenty four
election primary. And this is Desanta's problem one. The policies
(50:56):
are there, but the vibes aren't. He's got to loose
a lot more. And I sat talking about music the
other day, but it was kind of stiff what he
was saying. He needs to show more that he's a dad.
He needs to show more that he is a person.
He needs to show less about policy. He needs to
build his social media following. That's like more friendly towards
like who he is as a person. I mean, that's
(51:16):
a four year job right there, and I don't know
if he's even comfortable doing that. Like I told when
I talked to the Sandas, I said to him, you
need to bring up the fact that if he for
as good as a ballplayer as you were and as smart
as you are, you would have not likely gotten to
Yale if you were born twenty years apart because you're
a white man and they're discriminated against. And he wouldn't
(51:37):
bring that up. And I know people brought up to
him afterwards and he would not bring that part up.
So he'd have to tactically move to the right in
uncomfortable conversations that I don't think that he's been willing
to have. He needs to show more of his personal side.
But look, unless Jad really says something wild and out there,
(51:59):
or Trump and horses against him, I don't think there's
anyone who could beat him. And I'm just being frank.
I don't even know how to game it out because
it just I just don't see how that's I just
don't see the path. There's only been one vice president
who's ever ran for the party's nomination and lost it
in any sort of living memory, and it was Mike
(52:20):
Pence and it's only because he ran against Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
I think doing what I advised to Santas to do
would help him overall long term if he wanted to
be a senator, which I don't think he wants to be,
or do something else, or prepare for a run at
some point, but it's very difficult to unsee the party's
nominee also talk less about Florida. I was, I told
it to Santa's, like, no one like the whole country
(52:47):
is in Florida. I know you guys love it down
there and you think you're your own country, but it's
it's not the whole country like some people do want
to live in Michigan. So like, I mean, you got
to talk about bigger things than that. Anyway, I like
Desanta's I'm not I'm not crapping on him, and I
you know, I'm I'm a big fan of JD. But
that's what I would best advise. I guess if I
was going to take on climbing that adverse, which is that?
Speaker 2 (53:09):
So anyway, thank you guys for listening. To this podcast.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
If you like this podcast, please like and subscribe on
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and I will talk to you guys on Thursday. Thank you,
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