August 26, 2025 • 48 mins
In this episode, Dr. Nicole Saphier sits down with Scott Adams for a candid discussion on the shifting trust in experts since the pandemic. They examine the influence of RFK Jr. on health policy debates, the dangers of misinformation, and why transparency is critical for public confidence. Scott also opens up about his personal battle with cancer, sharing insights on life, purpose, and the legacy he hopes to leave. Wellness Unmasked is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Wellness on Mess. I'm doctor Nicole Staffire and
today's episode I am so excited for. It's one I
believe is going to resonate deeply with many of you.
My guest is Scott Adams, creator of the legendary Dilbert
comic strip, social commentator, and someone who has really just
spent decades helping us laugh at the quirks of I
(00:22):
don't know, just modern day life. But today Scott is
also going to join me in a bit of a
different role, that of a patient navigating one of the
most challenging diagnoses a man can face stage four prostate cancer.
Like he has for decades before, he has been strikingly
open about his journey, whether it's his pain, his choices,
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and even his experiments with unproven treatments. We're going to
get into all of this now. His response to conventional therapies,
you know, maybe may make you think about some of
these things. But today Scott joins me in a bit
of a different role, that of a patient navigating one
of the most challenging diagnoses a man can face, stage
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four prostate cancer. Now, Scott, you know, unsurprisingly because we've
known him to be this way for decades. He's being
strikingly open about his journey, about his choices, his pain,
his experiments with unproven treatments, and his response to some
of these therapies. He's going to talk about all of
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this with us, and he's also spoken candidly about physician
assisted dying, a topic that he has long advocated for.
In this conversation, we are going to go well beyond
the medicine. We're going to talk about resilience, decision making,
and truly how facing mortality can reshape one's view of life,
their creativity and legacy. And don't worry, We're not only
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going to be talking about cancer. I'm going to ask
him about a whole bunch of things, including his predictions
for the next presidential election, because if you have been
followed him, he certainly has opinions on these, and his
opinions tend to be true. I also want to ask
him a little bit about RFK Junior and the MAHA movement.
So my goal here is not only to give listeners
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some medical clarity about his diagnosis, but I also want
Scott to share in his own words, the wisdom and
hopefully some humor that he's finding in the hardest, maybe
the hardest season of his life. Scott, I'm so happy
to have you on Wellness on Mass with me today.
You know, for our listeners, I want to give them
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a little bit of background. You and I first connected
during the height of the pandemic, you know, at a
time where there was so much noise, a lot of
conflicting opinions and voices, often on a lot of issues.
You and I seem to land in a space that
was pretty much in unison. You know, we ask some
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uncomfortable questions. Sometimes I don't think people can really tell
which side of the aisle we are on, because sometimes
we agreed with the mainstream media narrative and other times
we were absolutely against it. But we both tried to
bring some clarity when emotions were running high, and so
that initial connection led to some more conversations, and it's
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one of the reasons why I wanted to have you
on today and just so happy that you're here. In
honor of you, I did prepare a cup of coffee
for this conversation because I can't imagine having a conversation
with you without coffee, So cheers to you.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, all I have is water. We can do.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Cultivation is a good thing. I've been hydrating all afternoon.
Let's fast forward to now a few years later. World
obviously looks very different, yet kind of a lot of
things are still the same. We're still dealing with truth
in medicine or media, trust and institution and the balance
between science, freedom and public health, all of that. You know,
(03:55):
I just want to I have so much I want
to talk to you about, but I do just want
to briefly get your perspective on, you know, how things
have evolved since the early days of the pandemic and
where you think we are in comparison.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Wow, I'll tell you the biggest thing they've changed is
the public's trust in all things expert and it goes beyond,
you know, even medical stuff. But now people don't trust
any data about, you know, anything from employment levels to
(04:28):
I guess, isn't there a new statistic that sixty percent
of all the scientific papers are garbage and they're being
produced by AI now.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And it's a real thing. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, there's a reproducibility problem. So I think that's the
biggest thing. When I talk to people about the pandemic,
mostly they want to talk about how they don't trust
the experts and that they feel they had to guess
basically or use their common senses, I would say, to
figure out how to stay alive.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah you know. I mean you said before that COVID
wasn't really a health crisis, but it was a persuasion crisis,
and I liked that. I don't remember where I heard
you say that, but I think the messaging was all wrong.
The messaging they continue to put up these experts, doctor
fauci at all, who really seemed confident in everything that
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they were saying. And then if you were to turn
on and I was on the TV, I was like, well,
this is what we have right now. This may change
in ten minutes, but this is the best I can do.
So I'm going to tell you what I know, take
it with the grain of salt, and just know that
information is ever evolving. But unfortunately they weren't necessarily doing that.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah you know, I used to think that people wouldn't
lie in public if they knew there was a high
chance of getting caught. And so when when I was
watching all the pandemic experts, I said to myself, well,
they've obviously looked at the data, so they would know
for sure whether this is good for you or bad
for you, or you know, just what the pluses and
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minuses are. But that didn't seem to be the case.
It seemed as if people were telling us things that
later we would find out were not true, and they
should have known that we would find out. So that
part is mysterious. You know, usually I trust people to
at least lie well enough to get away with it,
(06:32):
But there was just something about the whole pandemic experience
that made me think, I feel like people are just
lying in general. Now there's no sense of getting away
with it anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, it certainly felt like the pharmaceutical companies had mouthpieces,
even people who you know, I have respected professionally, Scott
Gottlieb one of them, former FDA commissioner under President Trump's
first term. I actually wrote a paper, an opinion piece
on him, saying how much I respected him scientifically when
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he stepped down to pursue other things. One of those
other things sitting on a Pfizer board during the COVID pandemic,
which good for him, even though obviously that's a huge conflict.
But during the pandemic, you know, he was I think
it was CNBC, but he's one of their medical contributors.
And while he did disclose it, you know, every time
he's like, just so you know, I do sit on
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a Pfizer board, but let me tell you why everyone
should get the vaccine. It was like, I feel like
we're blurring lines there, and that really left me with
a yucky feeling.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah. I remember there was one point during the pandemic
when somebody said, I can't say this in public, but
I've learned something that you know, I'll tell you and
I can't tell you in public either, And I thought
to myself, oh my god, this is what's actually happening
behind the curtain. I had to do with the tests
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that you know, the quick tests, but oh my goodness,
the level of corruption that was involved there was through
the roof. But I don't want to get as sued,
so I'm not going to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well. Yeah, I had some off the record conversations with
people as well, one of them being because I have
an autoimmune disease and I was a little nervous before
taking the vaccine because obviously I was a doctor. I
am a doctor still work full time in the hospital,
and it was mandated, and my roomatologist is like, I
think it's going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'm like, oh, that's good to know. Let me So
I reached out to some people and off the record,
they're like, well, see if you can just do a
half of a dose. I'm like, that's not a thing.
Have you gone to these lines to get the vaccine?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
There was no conversation around it, and so I think
it was just so black and white. That is where
you lost a lot of people's trusts. So you had
you know, Fauci, Randy Winingarden, you know the school I
don't even know. I have so much negati feel about her.
These were the people who were front center, who were
making policy, and they didn't have our best interest at heart.
(09:06):
But honestly, I don't want to dwell on COVID because
I'm so COVID out. But I had to start there
because that's how you and I got introduced. I'm curious
where you think we are now, five years posts COVID started,
and it is all, Maha, what do you think about Mama?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, I'll tell you it's a I think Trump gives
a lot of credit for picking people who would not
be his natural you know base. So just the fact
that ourf Cage Junior got selected to have such an
important job is incredible. One of the best American things
that's happened. You know, people on essentially different sides, just that,
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you know what, saving children and keeping them from having
chronic diseases is just more important than all that other stuff.
You know, how about we's just work together. I'm very
impressed with the human part of it, you know, the
people who have said, I think I'll risk everything to
make this work. Because RFK Junior he risked everything everything,
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you know, reputationally, he lost his friends, his family was
against him, and he did it very clearly for the
benefit that he you know, he's been chasing for twenty
years or more, which is to try to fix the
chronic disease problem, and nobody else was doing it. I
would argue it might have been our biggest problem in
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the world, might still be, and the fact that nobody
was sort of in charge and going after it, somebody
who could make a difference. But now we've got that.
So we seem to have taken a bad situation and
somehow got something good out of it, which is a
much more capable government approach to healthcare.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well, you know, I agree with that, but I honestly
I can't get a read on your opinion of R. F. K. Junior.
And maybe that's a good thing because you're not so
in a vacuum where you only say positive things or
negative things about whichever person. But you know, you've made
some comments about RFK Junior well before he became HHS secretary,
(11:17):
Like when he was gunning to be and a presidential candidate,
you were very had a lot of favorable comments about him.
He was likable. You commented favorably on several things. You
guys also shared. I think you also had spasmodic dysphonia, right,
didn't you have a just like RFK Junior had. So
(11:39):
maybe there's some implicit advice there because you appreciated what
he's going through. But then since he's taken on his
new role, you know, I've started to hear some you know,
some you'd be a little bit critical of him.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, here's what I think I think r FK. Junior,
if we look at it, passed when he was a
lawyer and he was suing people for different things. You know,
that's a different world. But when you're doing things in
front of the entire country for the benefit of the
entire country, if not the world, you're going to stick
to the data because other people are going to look
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at it. So I haven't, yees seen him do something
that would be counter to the science or counter to
the data that we trust, have you?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No, I have it. The one thing recently that it
came out saying that he was going to cut back
on the funding to mRNA vaccines, right, And I think
you said something. I have some along lines of you know,
based on his actions and his rhetoric, he spanning the
flames that lead to situations like we saw at the CDC.
(12:48):
And I think you're referring to that recent shooting.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
The recent shooting, Well, no, I was. I was just
thinking that every decision Banks has some data that backs
it up, or he hasn't made the decision yet, which
I appreciate, because the COVID shots for adults are still recommended,
right Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I mean I think they're getting criticism because they haven't
rolled him back enough.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
For a lot of people, right right, But he doesn't
have the data to do that, I would guess, So
I would imagine that he's trying to get that data
and as well as as much data as he can
about other topics that are all sort of in that domain.
And if he departs the data, we're all going to
have a problem. You know, we're all going to have
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a problem. If he only follows the data, we're all
going to learn to live with it. And I trust
that he will actually do that, follow the data.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, you know what I think I was. I was
nervous about some things that he was going to do,
and I, like you, I agree that he came in
and right away, you know, they did away with some
of the CDC committees, advisory committees, looking at some certain elements,
some certain things, and I'm like, oh my gosh, is
he really just going to get rid of some of
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these vaccines Despite the fact that I have looked at
a lot of the data and he's done kind of
what I would have probably done myself. They're not recommending
them for healthy young kids. I'm still astonished how long
people have continued to do that. And you know, I
think he has Marty McCarey's FTA commissioner. Marty's a friend
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of mine, colleague of mine, very smart guy, and he
and I were constant communication during the pandemic, wrote a
lot of papers together, and so they really do look
at that data. So, you know, I'm happy with it.
I know he's getting some flack by the people who
are very against MR and A vaccines because they don't
feel like it's going far enough.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'll tell you what's amazing is that I still don't
know if my odds were better or worse at my
age with my coborbidities when I got the shot. Now,
I'm not sure I would believe any public data at
this point, you know. So it's not like I'm going
to accept either the critics or the official word. But
(15:14):
we've just divided into two worlds. If I talk to
the people who are much of my audience, they'll say, well,
the science has proven that they were only bad for
you and gave you no benefits whatsoever, and by the way,
it was just a cold And I'll think, I don't
live in that world. I'm not in that world at all.
I don't know it's true. I definitely don't know it's true,
(15:37):
but I wouldn't have certainty that it saved lives or
that it killed people. I don't know you could at
this point because I don't. I just don't trust any
data in that domain.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, honestly, like you, I feel the same way. Looking
at the day data was really difficult because hospitals were
misreporting a lot of things. They are looking at cases,
and you know, the denominae was essentially just people who
were hospitalized, and you know, people were being given a
COVID diagnosis when maybe they're there for something else. Like
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it was a lot, and so it's really hard to
look at those numbers. But I can just say from
an anecdotal standpoint, my best friend working in the ICU
in small town West Texas called me crying one night
after working like thirty six hours straight and just saying,
they're all drowning, they're all suffocating, and I can't do
anything to help them. This is obviously like within the
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first six months of COVID, and it was just devastating
for her that she's just never seen so many people
die and she can't help them. My husband, being a eurosurgeon,
saw a lot of people die from COVID, but also
also from their elective surgeries being canceled because apparently treating
brain aneurysms is considered elective by hospital administrators. But I digress.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What was about the most basic question. Maybe you can
answer this one for me. I don't even know if
getting the COVID reduced my odds of bad hospitalization.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, well so no, no, Well, we can say that
people who had the COVID, their original COVID shot and
through delta, if you were sixty and older, it may
have decreased your risk of hospitalization and death. But the
majority of people who were hospitalized with severe COVID, even
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after the vaccines came out for people who had been vaccinated,
were over sixty with comorbidities. So it's actually very hard
to say. I'd be hard pressed to say, if we
had a vaccine and you're a higher risk population, why
not try it if you weren't in that higher risk
group with side effects like the younger kids and some
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of those signals. I don't know you. I mean, you've
said you've got you got vaccinated, and that you regret
it later. You said that those who.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I don't know if I I don't don't know
if I may the wrong decision because I still don't
know what the data is. But what I do know
is that once the danger passed, that it would have
been better not to have it in you. Yeah, so
that's I.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Don't disagree with that, and I don't think I don't
think that we will ever really have that answer. We
know that deaths and hospitalizations did decrease after the vaccine
ruled out, and it's probably because we had primed our
immune system a little bit, but it waned. And what
are we going to do booster ourselves into perpetuity? I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So I can't even tell if it's true that there's
excess mortality that we can't identify. Is that even true?
Just sort of general excess mortality and we don't know why.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, so, I mean there was excess mortality, but there
were a lot of confounding factors, right, we had increased
alcohol use, sedentary lifestyles.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But even now, but even now there's access mortality, right,
where is there not?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
We are still having excess mortality. But I think there
was a quite the spike during COVID, but I think
a lot of that was due to confounding factors. But
I do think that we're just getting sicker, which you know,
brings us back to Maha and how we can make
America healthy again. Do you kind of already answered this question,
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but leading us out of COVID and out of the
negative place that we were in, not just from a
health standpoint, but trying to bring the country back together.
Do you think RFK Junior was the right choice for
HHS secretary?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Definitely, because you needed not only the commitment and the dedication,
but you have to be absolutely fearless because he's using
a job that it's hard to imagine that he'll get
credits completely, but he will be just savage and his
family's probably still mad at him, and so I think
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the bravery had to be on top of the experience.
He had a lot of experience in that domain from
the lawyer's side, and the will to commit your life
to fixing this thing. So he's as close as I
can imagine to the perfect choice.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I mean, you sound quite sure that. I like that.
I mean a lot of people are equivocate, but you
sound like you're all for him. Would you have voted
for him if he made it onto the presidential ballot?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
No, I still preferred Trump, And you know I would
say at this point that would have been the right choice.
I mean, at the time, we didn't know, but I did, like,
I did like a lot about RFK Junior. I don't
know that his policy preferences across the board would have
lined up with mine. I stay away from abortion, so
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we you know, so that wouldn't have bothered me so
much either way. My view and abortion is that men
shouldn't have an opinion. I mean, we could have an opinion,
but we should not be the dominant voice in that conversation.
So I just for to stay out of it and say,
you tell me, you guys, tell me what you want,
and I'll back you.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Well. Soon after President Trump took the White House and
Secretary Kennedy made it through his nomination process, which I'm
not sure if you watched it, but those are some
dramatic hearings. I mean, I didn't know which way it
was going to go. I certainly think there was a
lot of conversation about what he was going to do
to that childhood vaccine schedule, and so far it seems
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like he's keeping those promises that he made to get
his votes, and you know, I think that's a good thing.
But you know what I wanted to bring you on today,
about really is. Soon after that, former President Biden shared
with the world. Maybe he needed to because it was
going to be leaked, or he just decided to go
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public with it, but the fact that he had metastatic
prostate cancer to the bone, and a lot of people
were by this, and then a lot of people pointed
to the fact, well we kind of knew he wasn't
doing so well. A lot of theories as to whether
he knew for a while and that's maybe why he
didn't run for president or whatnot, and so forth. But
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you decided to actually come out in that moment and
share with all of your listeners all of us that
you yourself have been dealing with the same diagnosis. You
want to talk about it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, So I mistakenly believed that because Biden had come
out with that, it would give me some shade and
I could just sort of float in under the story
because I didn't want to.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Make more about your diagnosis.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
No, I didn't want to make it my brand or
the thing that people have thought about when they thought
about me, because it's just a doubter. But I thought
it was necessary to go, you know, go public with
it because people would started noticing I was I was
already having quite a few symptoms by that.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Were you initially diagnosed.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I was diagnosed last October. I think that's when we
started to see the PSA spike, and the confirmation took
a while after that, but it was kind of obvious
when you.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Were originally diagnosed, it was already had metasticized to your
bones by.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
The time I got the biopsy, and then I got
the scan whichever scan they do. After that, they said,
bad news. It's already in your bones and in your
what was it, lymph nos or wherever the hell it goes.
So yeah, it was all over. So I had decided
not to take the classic treatments. You know, they offer
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chemo and radiation, but they're not really going to make
a difference to your life expectancy with this particular kind
of cancer. But later, when I was planning to exit
this world in the California legal way, which was the summer,
I had planned that at the end of June of
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this year, I would take the magic suicide juice that
California allows you to take. I had already ordered it.
It was in the pharmacy waiting for me to back
it up. And I had a date planned at the
end of June, and but before then, I got a
chance to maybe do an experimental, not experimental, but newly
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approved drug. And you're not allowed to do it unless
you've first taken the testosterone blockers. So I got in
some testosterone blockers and learned that all my paid went away,
all my symptoms just went away.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
You just you just unleashed so much there. I want
to go back. You took the testosterone blockers, meaning I
guess that means you are hormone sensitive, right, your hormone
Your cancer was similar to Joe Biden. Stage four is
not curable. We know that, but for some you can
live with it. It's not necessarily you're going to die tomorrow.
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Why did it take you so long to start the
testo's phone blockers that ultimately provide relief.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I'm going to give you an honest answer, which I
don't know that I've said to anybody before. I didn't
want to die twice. And if you're if you're a man,
and you turn off your testosterone and the presumption is
it's not coming back. I mean I could get it
back if I stopped the pills, but it wouldn't help.
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I'm not really the same person. It's very obvious to me,
and it's even been obvious to other people. I essentially
turned off the male part of my poormonal existence. To me,
that's dying because I'm just not the person I always was,
and I can feel the difference. Now. It's not as
bad I thought it would be, not nearly as bad.
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So if you're listening to this, the thing you don't
realize until you do it is that once you've removed
your libido and you've removed your test suscerone, you're just
a different person. But if that person is okay, it's
not so bad. I mean, I wake up in the
morning and I play with my new cats that I got,
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which is probably because I have no test sascerone anymore.
And I haven't been irrationally angry at anybody for weeks,
and I'm thinking, oh, I'm usually irrationally angry as somebody.
There's usually something that's making me yellow, get canceled, or
some damn thing. But now I was just kind of mellow.
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And I don't know if that's because the lack of
test usterone, but I am a different person. I've described
it as being like being in a video game where
I died and then I on the back as a
different character that's in the same movie, the same game,
but I'm just now a different character playing slightly different role.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I've actually never heard it described that way, and I
appreciate that because my day job is diagnosing cancer, specifically
breast cancer. I see men with prostate cancer coming in
for their mammograms because a lot of them have to
go on anti hormone therapy and it does cause them
to have their breast tissue hypertrophy and grow, so we
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also screen them for breast cancer because prostate cancer and
breast cancer on the same gene. And I know people
feel similar to the way you do. It's for some
you know, it means walking their daughter down the aisle,
seeing grandchildren, you know, hanging with their friends, their cats.
Were you a cat person before the TESTOS.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well, yeah, but I feel like I'm more of a
cat person now. I feel like it took it up
about forty so.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
But you said something very honest that you were not
just considering. I mean, you were well on your way
to physician assisted suicide because the pain was so much.
You live in one of the few states where that's legal,
And what was that thought process for you.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Like, well, first of all, I was one of the
advocates for getting that law passed, so I did some
public work to try to make sure that that didn't
get passed, because I always imagined I might need the
option that was part of it as my needed for myself.
And the pain makes it easy. You say to yourself,
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it's going to be hard to make that decision, but
not if you wake up in pain. You're in pain
all day and you go to sleep in pain and
it doesn't look like tomorrow is going to be any better,
probably worse, because that's the nature of it. But once
the pain went away, and it only took a week
being on the testosterone blockers, all the pain in my
body went a way. I've got some other issues I
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just got scanned, and there's some other troubling things happening
inside my body, but at the moment, no pain. So
I just have an ordinary day.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
More coming up on wellness Unmasked with doctor Nicole Sapphire,
so other things popping up on scans, like hopefully I'm
sure if you don't want to share them right now,
but when we.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Start any details. Yeah, I just know there's some irregularities
there that are probably cancer related, but I don't know.
I'll find out his name tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I'm going to hope it's an incidental loma, as we
call it, and maybe nothing, but.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
There's a name for that. Incidental loma.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yes, incidental loma, the random things we find when we're
imaging people for other things. It's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, that's exactly why I didn't want to get scanned.
I'm like, they're going to find something. They're definitely going
to find something, so we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You decided to try You said you didn't want to
do the radiation and surgery and chemo and whatnot, but
you did try some of the anti parasitics that you
know that you see people talking about, like ivermectin and
the bendazole to and trust me, I have patients coming
in saying that they're trying it. What was your thought
process on using those?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, let me let me do a magic trick and
I will read your mind, and I can tell that
none of the people who are your patients who tried
it had a good result. How did I do?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, I have not I right. I mean, I've seen
a lot of people on social media say their cancer
is cured, but I myself have never seen it in
the every day that I see patients with cancer.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
It is what I call the one patient problem that
you've You've probably seen five different reports about the guy
who was cured using those drugs, and then you you
chase it back and it's that one guy, and you
can't really find out everything you need to know about
that one guy. But I suspect he might have been
on testosterone up the blockers, and maybe he just had
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the same ores I did. I mean, if I had
taken I've remacin them at the same time I took
the testosterone blockers, I would have imagined they worked sured me. Yeah,
so it's the first thing I tried because it wouldn't
hurt me, and there were some positive anecdotal reports, and
I thought, well, you know, I'll try it first. And
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my PSA just went through the roof while I was
on it, so I got off of that and tried
a different route.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Well, I mean, the reality is a lot of those
studies looking at those anti parasitics were done in places
where parasite load is very high, and there are reports
that cancer patients that are on them they're doing better.
It's like, well, yeah, if you have a high parasitic
load and you have these parasites who are just feeding
off the nutril of your body, your body well doesn't
have the same tools to fight the cancer. So in
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addition to standard therapy, if you want to try some
anti parasitics, I'm all for it. I probably would too,
to be honest, if I have cancer and I'm looking
at my life and I'm going to do everything I can.
The problem I have is when people say that this
is the cure, all, I'm going to ignore everything else
despite all of the data showing it may work despite
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potential side effects. You know, I'm okay with trying it
for sure, and I think probably we all could probably
benefit from doing a dose of an anti parasitic If
if you're a media you're like I am.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
If that had worked and I had actually cured my
incurable cancer with it, the next thing I would do
is I would be all over television. I would have
my medical records printed out, and I would have my
doctor sitting next to me and saying, all right, ask
my doctor this is real. Here it is, Here's what
I did, Here's how I got Because how in the
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world do you not fax everybody else if it works
and you have the experience. I mean, it's not like
you have to be a doctor. If you had an
incurable cancer and you cured it, I mean you could
test to make sure that it was cured. I would
tell everybody, and I would make that my life's work
from that point on. But I also looked around and
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I said, am I the only person who would do that?
That all the other people are trying it? Because you know,
there were just tens of thousands of people who tried it.
By now not a single person got the cure. And
then said, I got to tell everybody about this. So
here's my medical record, here's my doctor asked me any
question you want. So the lack of that was kind
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of obvious.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I mean, I know everybody's wanting to cure. Everyone's wanting
to get away from some of the traditional cancer agents.
I get it, We're working on it so there are
fewer side effects. I don't think this is going this
is this is not the cancer cure all. But again,
maybe an anti parasitic should be added. To the regiment.
They would help a lot of us who maybe have
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some level of parasite load.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I know I got rid of by parasites. My parasites.
They didn't have a chance chance.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So a lot of people know you well. I mean
I know you mostly from the last decade of your life,
but initially, I mean you became a household name from
the Dilbert comics. Do you do you still draw and write?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah? I got canceled from all proper newspapers, but it
was right at this time. I wanted to retire anyway,
And for me, retirement doesn't mean not working. I can't
really even imagine that world. For me, retirement meant doing
what I wanted when I wanted to, and you know,
there might be some money involved. So I still do
to the comic I've never missed a day, So even
(34:58):
when I got canceled, continued every day. But it was
behind a subscription wall. So now you'd have to go
to locals or you would have to be on X
and subscribe to it, and you can still see it.
So now that it's subscription only, I get to do
the naughty stuff that I couldn't do in the newspapers. Yeah,
it was really restrictive. You had to be just family
(35:22):
rated g rated, and now I can go you know, PG. Thirteen.
It makes allle difference.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It's a differences altered your creative process at all?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Probably not, yeah, not really. I run for the people
who subscribe, I showed them the comic I drew exactly
ten years before the date I published the new one,
so you can see what I used to look like
and what I look like today, ten year difference. And
I always check them to see did I used to
(35:53):
be funny but now I'm not? Because you know I would.
Nobody's going to tell you your Your friends are not going
to say, oh, you know, I meant to tell you.
I noticed you used to be good at this, but
now you're not. Now you're old, so they're not going
to do that. So you have to sort of monitor
yourself as far as I can tell about the same
(36:15):
as I was. But sometimes it's funnier because I could
do more topics now than I used to be able
to with.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
You've obviously had some very serious internal reflection facing mortality recently,
even having the medications at the pharmacy waiting for you.
If when you're thinking about that, what would you kind
of want just reflecting back on your decades on decades
of accomplishments, what do you want your readers, your listeners,
(36:43):
just everyone to remember most about you and your work.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, when I was in college, I thought I was
going to be a lawyer, and I was sort of
pre law in my mind anyway, And at one point
I realized that lawyers are sort of a win lose situation.
You know, if you win as a lawyer, probably the
other team lost. And I thought, I don't really want
(37:08):
to be in a situation where anybody loses because of
something I did. So I thought, wouldn't it better to
do something like entertainment where people can ignore you or
they can have fun with it, but everybody wins. There's
no loser in that transaction. So, you know, doing a
cartoon fit my needs very well. But at one point
(37:31):
I got divorced my first step two. And if you're
if you have a step kids, which I did, you
lose everything at the same time because there's step kids.
You know, it's not like they're shared custody or anything
like that. So your life just blows up. And I
realized I had no purpose, like i'd wake up and
(37:53):
I think, well, I can make money and I can
do this fun thing, but why, like, what's my purpose?
And so I actually said out loud by myself that
I was donating myself to the world and that I
would just instead of working for the benefit of a
family unit, I would try to help as many people
(38:15):
as I could with whatever gifts I had. So that's
when I wrote my book. I had it, failed almost
everything and still went big, which has become quite influential
in the self help domain. And the books that followed
had the same quality, which is is going to make
your life better if you pay attention. And when people
(38:38):
found out by diagnosis, thousands of people reached out and
they said some version of because of you, I quit drinking,
or because of you, I lost eighty pounds. Because of you,
I got a promotion, I got married, I've got two
great kids now, and apparently I've a bunch of medical
(39:01):
problems that I didn't even know about. People had met problem,
people had mental problems, et cetera. And they were saying,
you changed my life. And I thought to myself, that's
that's what I was trying to do. You know, I
dedicated my life to doing that, and people told me
it worked, and I wouldn't have known if I hadn't
(39:24):
had the diagnosis that caused people to come out and
reach out. So I had a feeling of calm, meaning
that I felt like I'd done what I needed to do,
and then if I could give myself a report card,
it would look pretty good. It would be mostly a's,
(39:45):
and I thought, you know, I'm comfortable leaving them to
this situation. I got mostly a's self graded, but I
seem to have helped enough people that that was worth
me being here. And it was true tmendously satisfying. It's
hard to explain.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I wish for anyone who's dealing with anything that they
get to that place in their life where they actually
can feel, not that they're ready to die, but satisfied
with where they are in their life. And I think
in today's environment, so many people are always going, going, going,
grass is always greener, never satisfied. That's a pretty amazing feeling.
(40:25):
One of the people who did reach out to you,
I mean, yes, I reached out to you, but also
President Trump reached out to you.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
What was that, Yeah, Yeah, one day I was sending
in my kitchen just doing my drawing, and the phone rings,
and I didn't recognize the phone number, some Florida Palm
Spring's phone number, and I thought, I'll let that go
into voicemail. So I let it go to voicemail. And
then later I'm like, I better check that, and I
check it, and the voicemail comes on and says, Hi,
(40:54):
this is your favorite president. I'm looking I'm thinking no
way away, and then you know, he goes on, you know,
he heard about my diagnosis and just wanted to talk,
and then he says, call me back.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
He gave you can share that with them.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Well, well, he said, call me back on this number,
you know. So I had the number because he had
called me, so of course I did not because you don't.
I mean, well, I thought, you know, that's not a
sincere offer because he's got lots of stuff to do,
and even if it's very nice, and even if he
meant it, I'm not going to take his time when
(41:32):
he's you know, ending wars and trying to deal with
tariffs and everything. So I didn't. Several hours later, the
phone rings again. He called me back. He called me back,
and I'm looking at it and I'm like, no way
no way, And sure enough it was President Trump and
(41:52):
he wished me the best, and UH didn't offer to help.
He said if he need any help, let me know,
And I honestly I believe him. It was nothing I
particularly needed from him. But if there had been some
company that was blocking me from some achievement or something,
I actually had the feeling that I could call him
(42:14):
up to say, could you drop a phone call to
the CEO of this company? And I feel like he
would have done it. It was a strange he would
have done it. Yeah, I think he would have. It
was very nice to call. Well.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
You you have a way with predicting politics. Although you're
self proclaimed I think libertarian.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Isn't that the lost Libertarians a little bit too crazy
for me? I'm more like an independent, you know, I'm
a registered Democrat. I just like Trump in particularly.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Well, you predicted Trump would win his first his first round,
way before the pollsters caught wind of that freight train
which was then soon to be President Trump coming. Would
you have any predictions for the twenty twenty eight election,
any idea the candidates?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Well, I'm pretty sure it's j D vance.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
And try and stay in office. Hillary thinks he's going to.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I hope he's just having fun with it, but I
would not rule out I would not rule out the
possibility that he's thinking, you know, if something happened, you know,
something that changed everything. When he was joking about Zelenski
canceling elections, uh, he was joking that, hey, maybe I
could do that too. The fact is, there might be
(43:35):
some situation, you know, completely unforeseen where even the country
itself would say, you know what, we can't have an
election now. We got this big problem we're dealing with.
So it's not impossible. But I don't think he's taking
it too seriously at this point, and I don't think
his base would be for it unless we were in
a war, for example, and then they might. They might,
(43:56):
but I don't think. I don't think he'll start a
war to stay in office. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Me going around, it seems like you think J. D.
Bance will be the candidate. Is that who you would
like to see?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah? You know, I feel like he's earned it. You know,
he's he's been a really solid vice president. His communication
skills are unbelievable, and he doesn't have quite the provocative personality.
So he's got most of what's going about Trump. You know,
(44:28):
nobody matches him. He's you know, you can't really compare
Trump to anybody actually, but he's got enough of the
good stuff without enough of the provocative stuff that he
should be able to just slide right in there. So
I'd be surprised if he lost.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Who do you think about on the Democrat side?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I feel so sorry for them. They really have nothing,
well a little bit, a little bit. They really don't
have anything. You know, they don't have anything that would
stand up to Trump. But they also don't have anything
that would stand up to jd Vance. You know, even
if you say, well he's only seventy five percent the
(45:12):
power of Trump or whatever you want to put on it,
I don't think they have anything.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
And what about Gavin Newsom's push on social media right now?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I feel like Gavin Newsom, they haven't unleashed the full
what do you call it, the adversarial research. I feel
like that he's had an interesting life and we're going
to hear about that. So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's like that one picture of him with like a
tiger rug or something in front of him. I think
I saw something random of all I know is from
the very basics looking at Gavin Newsom, is there have
been there's a mass exodus of people leaving California since
he's been governor, as it's gone into this massive debt,
(46:01):
and that's who we want to run the whole country like,
we'll have nowhere to mass exodus to.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
It's hard to imagine that you can use his record
as is, you know, you know, stepping zone to the presidency.
But the only thing he's got is he has the
look and he's got the talk. You know, he looks
like exactly who you'd expect to be your next president.
He's got to slick back, Harry. He's tall, he's he's
(46:29):
got the whole package. But he does have a track
record I think anybody's going to want to take to
the national level. I hope.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Well you heard it here first that Scott Adams predicts
jd Vance is going to take the twenty twenty eight election.
I guess we'll have to wait and see, Scott.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I'll make that, I'll make that an official prediction.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I like it, Okay, I like it. Do you think
Ruby is going to be with him? Is he can
have a running mate?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I feel like Rubio is really strong player. But it
feels like j D would be a bit of primary,
so they might they might do a primary, but yeah,
I think JD is going to win.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Thank you so much for being so honest with all
of us and talking about things. I loved your message
about your diagnosis, I think. I mean, I'm not surprised
so many people have benefited just from listening to You're
just so honest with people, and I think that's the
way forward for us as a society is to just
(47:31):
continue to be honest with people that what we know,
what we don't know, and what we're doing and learning ourselves.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
We're trying.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
You're listening to Wellness un Mass. We'll be right back
with more. I can't again tell you how grateful I
am that Scott was able to join Wellness on MASS.
I have been a fan of his, I have listened
to him, I have learned from him, and I was
just genuinely heartfeld when he came forward and shared his
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diagnosis with everyone, his struggles and the hope sounds that
he has found along the way. Scott's story is a
reminder that health, it's truly truly more than the scans
more than a diagnosis or your lab values. It's about
how we choose to live, love and how are we
going to leave our mark. Thank you for listening to
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and I'll see you next time.
Welcome to Wellness on Mess. I'm doctor Nicole Staffire and
today's episode I am so excited for. It's one I
believe is going to resonate deeply with many of you.
My guest is Scott Adams, creator of the legendary Dilbert
comic strip, social commentator, and someone who has really just
spent decades helping us laugh at the quirks of I
(00:22):
don't know, just modern day life. But today Scott is
also going to join me in a bit of a
different role, that of a patient navigating one of the
most challenging diagnoses a man can face stage four prostate cancer.
Like he has for decades before, he has been strikingly
open about his journey, whether it's his pain, his choices,
(00:46):
and even his experiments with unproven treatments. We're going to
get into all of this now. His response to conventional therapies,
you know, maybe may make you think about some of
these things. But today Scott joins me in a bit
of a different role, that of a patient navigating one
of the most challenging diagnoses a man can face, stage
(01:06):
four prostate cancer. Now, Scott, you know, unsurprisingly because we've
known him to be this way for decades. He's being
strikingly open about his journey, about his choices, his pain,
his experiments with unproven treatments, and his response to some
of these therapies. He's going to talk about all of
(01:28):
this with us, and he's also spoken candidly about physician
assisted dying, a topic that he has long advocated for.
In this conversation, we are going to go well beyond
the medicine. We're going to talk about resilience, decision making,
and truly how facing mortality can reshape one's view of life,
their creativity and legacy. And don't worry, We're not only
(01:51):
going to be talking about cancer. I'm going to ask
him about a whole bunch of things, including his predictions
for the next presidential election, because if you have been
followed him, he certainly has opinions on these, and his
opinions tend to be true. I also want to ask
him a little bit about RFK Junior and the MAHA movement.
So my goal here is not only to give listeners
(02:12):
some medical clarity about his diagnosis, but I also want
Scott to share in his own words, the wisdom and
hopefully some humor that he's finding in the hardest, maybe
the hardest season of his life. Scott, I'm so happy
to have you on Wellness on Mass with me today.
You know, for our listeners, I want to give them
(02:34):
a little bit of background. You and I first connected
during the height of the pandemic, you know, at a
time where there was so much noise, a lot of
conflicting opinions and voices, often on a lot of issues.
You and I seem to land in a space that
was pretty much in unison. You know, we ask some
(02:55):
uncomfortable questions. Sometimes I don't think people can really tell
which side of the aisle we are on, because sometimes
we agreed with the mainstream media narrative and other times
we were absolutely against it. But we both tried to
bring some clarity when emotions were running high, and so
that initial connection led to some more conversations, and it's
(03:18):
one of the reasons why I wanted to have you
on today and just so happy that you're here. In
honor of you, I did prepare a cup of coffee
for this conversation because I can't imagine having a conversation
with you without coffee, So cheers to you.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, all I have is water. We can do.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Cultivation is a good thing. I've been hydrating all afternoon.
Let's fast forward to now a few years later. World
obviously looks very different, yet kind of a lot of
things are still the same. We're still dealing with truth
in medicine or media, trust and institution and the balance
between science, freedom and public health, all of that. You know,
(03:55):
I just want to I have so much I want
to talk to you about, but I do just want
to briefly get your perspective on, you know, how things
have evolved since the early days of the pandemic and
where you think we are in comparison.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Wow, I'll tell you the biggest thing they've changed is
the public's trust in all things expert and it goes beyond,
you know, even medical stuff. But now people don't trust
any data about, you know, anything from employment levels to
(04:28):
I guess, isn't there a new statistic that sixty percent
of all the scientific papers are garbage and they're being
produced by AI now.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And it's a real thing. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, there's a reproducibility problem. So I think that's the
biggest thing. When I talk to people about the pandemic,
mostly they want to talk about how they don't trust
the experts and that they feel they had to guess
basically or use their common senses, I would say, to
figure out how to stay alive.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah you know. I mean you said before that COVID
wasn't really a health crisis, but it was a persuasion crisis,
and I liked that. I don't remember where I heard
you say that, but I think the messaging was all wrong.
The messaging they continue to put up these experts, doctor
fauci at all, who really seemed confident in everything that
(05:28):
they were saying. And then if you were to turn
on and I was on the TV, I was like, well,
this is what we have right now. This may change
in ten minutes, but this is the best I can do.
So I'm going to tell you what I know, take
it with the grain of salt, and just know that
information is ever evolving. But unfortunately they weren't necessarily doing that.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah you know, I used to think that people wouldn't
lie in public if they knew there was a high
chance of getting caught. And so when when I was
watching all the pandemic experts, I said to myself, well,
they've obviously looked at the data, so they would know
for sure whether this is good for you or bad
for you, or you know, just what the pluses and
(06:11):
minuses are. But that didn't seem to be the case.
It seemed as if people were telling us things that
later we would find out were not true, and they
should have known that we would find out. So that
part is mysterious. You know, usually I trust people to
at least lie well enough to get away with it,
(06:32):
But there was just something about the whole pandemic experience
that made me think, I feel like people are just
lying in general. Now there's no sense of getting away
with it anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, it certainly felt like the pharmaceutical companies had mouthpieces,
even people who you know, I have respected professionally, Scott
Gottlieb one of them, former FDA commissioner under President Trump's
first term. I actually wrote a paper, an opinion piece
on him, saying how much I respected him scientifically when
(07:06):
he stepped down to pursue other things. One of those
other things sitting on a Pfizer board during the COVID pandemic,
which good for him, even though obviously that's a huge conflict.
But during the pandemic, you know, he was I think
it was CNBC, but he's one of their medical contributors.
And while he did disclose it, you know, every time
he's like, just so you know, I do sit on
(07:28):
a Pfizer board, but let me tell you why everyone
should get the vaccine. It was like, I feel like
we're blurring lines there, and that really left me with
a yucky feeling.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah. I remember there was one point during the pandemic
when somebody said, I can't say this in public, but
I've learned something that you know, I'll tell you and
I can't tell you in public either, And I thought
to myself, oh my god, this is what's actually happening
behind the curtain. I had to do with the tests
(07:59):
that you know, the quick tests, but oh my goodness,
the level of corruption that was involved there was through
the roof. But I don't want to get as sued,
so I'm not going to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well. Yeah, I had some off the record conversations with
people as well, one of them being because I have
an autoimmune disease and I was a little nervous before
taking the vaccine because obviously I was a doctor. I
am a doctor still work full time in the hospital,
and it was mandated, and my roomatologist is like, I
think it's going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'm like, oh, that's good to know. Let me So
I reached out to some people and off the record,
they're like, well, see if you can just do a
half of a dose. I'm like, that's not a thing.
Have you gone to these lines to get the vaccine?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
There was no conversation around it, and so I think
it was just so black and white. That is where
you lost a lot of people's trusts. So you had
you know, Fauci, Randy Winingarden, you know the school I
don't even know. I have so much negati feel about her.
These were the people who were front center, who were
making policy, and they didn't have our best interest at heart.
(09:06):
But honestly, I don't want to dwell on COVID because
I'm so COVID out. But I had to start there
because that's how you and I got introduced. I'm curious
where you think we are now, five years posts COVID started,
and it is all, Maha, what do you think about Mama?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, I'll tell you it's a I think Trump gives
a lot of credit for picking people who would not
be his natural you know base. So just the fact
that ourf Cage Junior got selected to have such an
important job is incredible. One of the best American things
that's happened. You know, people on essentially different sides, just that,
(09:49):
you know what, saving children and keeping them from having
chronic diseases is just more important than all that other stuff.
You know, how about we's just work together. I'm very
impressed with the human part of it, you know, the
people who have said, I think I'll risk everything to
make this work. Because RFK Junior he risked everything everything,
(10:13):
you know, reputationally, he lost his friends, his family was
against him, and he did it very clearly for the
benefit that he you know, he's been chasing for twenty
years or more, which is to try to fix the
chronic disease problem, and nobody else was doing it. I
would argue it might have been our biggest problem in
(10:35):
the world, might still be, and the fact that nobody
was sort of in charge and going after it, somebody
who could make a difference. But now we've got that.
So we seem to have taken a bad situation and
somehow got something good out of it, which is a
much more capable government approach to healthcare.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well, you know, I agree with that, but I honestly
I can't get a read on your opinion of R. F. K. Junior.
And maybe that's a good thing because you're not so
in a vacuum where you only say positive things or
negative things about whichever person. But you know, you've made
some comments about RFK Junior well before he became HHS secretary,
(11:17):
Like when he was gunning to be and a presidential candidate,
you were very had a lot of favorable comments about him.
He was likable. You commented favorably on several things. You
guys also shared. I think you also had spasmodic dysphonia, right,
didn't you have a just like RFK Junior had. So
(11:39):
maybe there's some implicit advice there because you appreciated what
he's going through. But then since he's taken on his
new role, you know, I've started to hear some you know,
some you'd be a little bit critical of him.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, here's what I think I think r FK. Junior,
if we look at it, passed when he was a
lawyer and he was suing people for different things. You know,
that's a different world. But when you're doing things in
front of the entire country for the benefit of the
entire country, if not the world, you're going to stick
to the data because other people are going to look
(12:17):
at it. So I haven't, yees seen him do something
that would be counter to the science or counter to
the data that we trust, have you?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No, I have it. The one thing recently that it
came out saying that he was going to cut back
on the funding to mRNA vaccines, right, And I think
you said something. I have some along lines of you know,
based on his actions and his rhetoric, he spanning the
flames that lead to situations like we saw at the CDC.
(12:48):
And I think you're referring to that recent shooting.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
The recent shooting, Well, no, I was. I was just
thinking that every decision Banks has some data that backs
it up, or he hasn't made the decision yet, which
I appreciate, because the COVID shots for adults are still recommended,
right Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I mean I think they're getting criticism because they haven't
rolled him back enough.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
For a lot of people, right right, But he doesn't
have the data to do that, I would guess, So
I would imagine that he's trying to get that data
and as well as as much data as he can
about other topics that are all sort of in that domain.
And if he departs the data, we're all going to
have a problem. You know, we're all going to have
(13:38):
a problem. If he only follows the data, we're all
going to learn to live with it. And I trust
that he will actually do that, follow the data.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, you know what I think I was. I was
nervous about some things that he was going to do,
and I, like you, I agree that he came in
and right away, you know, they did away with some
of the CDC committees, advisory committees, looking at some certain elements,
some certain things, and I'm like, oh my gosh, is
he really just going to get rid of some of
(14:08):
these vaccines Despite the fact that I have looked at
a lot of the data and he's done kind of
what I would have probably done myself. They're not recommending
them for healthy young kids. I'm still astonished how long
people have continued to do that. And you know, I
think he has Marty McCarey's FTA commissioner. Marty's a friend
(14:31):
of mine, colleague of mine, very smart guy, and he
and I were constant communication during the pandemic, wrote a
lot of papers together, and so they really do look
at that data. So, you know, I'm happy with it.
I know he's getting some flack by the people who
are very against MR and A vaccines because they don't
feel like it's going far enough.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'll tell you what's amazing is that I still don't
know if my odds were better or worse at my
age with my coborbidities when I got the shot. Now,
I'm not sure I would believe any public data at
this point, you know. So it's not like I'm going
to accept either the critics or the official word. But
(15:14):
we've just divided into two worlds. If I talk to
the people who are much of my audience, they'll say, well,
the science has proven that they were only bad for
you and gave you no benefits whatsoever, and by the way,
it was just a cold And I'll think, I don't
live in that world. I'm not in that world at all.
I don't know it's true. I definitely don't know it's true,
(15:37):
but I wouldn't have certainty that it saved lives or
that it killed people. I don't know you could at
this point because I don't. I just don't trust any
data in that domain.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, honestly, like you, I feel the same way. Looking
at the day data was really difficult because hospitals were
misreporting a lot of things. They are looking at cases,
and you know, the denominae was essentially just people who
were hospitalized, and you know, people were being given a
COVID diagnosis when maybe they're there for something else. Like
(16:08):
it was a lot, and so it's really hard to
look at those numbers. But I can just say from
an anecdotal standpoint, my best friend working in the ICU
in small town West Texas called me crying one night
after working like thirty six hours straight and just saying,
they're all drowning, they're all suffocating, and I can't do
anything to help them. This is obviously like within the
(16:29):
first six months of COVID, and it was just devastating
for her that she's just never seen so many people
die and she can't help them. My husband, being a eurosurgeon,
saw a lot of people die from COVID, but also
also from their elective surgeries being canceled because apparently treating
brain aneurysms is considered elective by hospital administrators. But I digress.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What was about the most basic question. Maybe you can
answer this one for me. I don't even know if
getting the COVID reduced my odds of bad hospitalization.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, well so no, no, Well, we can say that
people who had the COVID, their original COVID shot and
through delta, if you were sixty and older, it may
have decreased your risk of hospitalization and death. But the
majority of people who were hospitalized with severe COVID, even
(17:24):
after the vaccines came out for people who had been vaccinated,
were over sixty with comorbidities. So it's actually very hard
to say. I'd be hard pressed to say, if we
had a vaccine and you're a higher risk population, why
not try it if you weren't in that higher risk
group with side effects like the younger kids and some
(17:46):
of those signals. I don't know you. I mean, you've
said you've got you got vaccinated, and that you regret
it later. You said that those who.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I don't know if I I don't don't know
if I may the wrong decision because I still don't
know what the data is. But what I do know
is that once the danger passed, that it would have
been better not to have it in you. Yeah, so
that's I.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Don't disagree with that, and I don't think I don't
think that we will ever really have that answer. We
know that deaths and hospitalizations did decrease after the vaccine
ruled out, and it's probably because we had primed our
immune system a little bit, but it waned. And what
are we going to do booster ourselves into perpetuity? I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So I can't even tell if it's true that there's
excess mortality that we can't identify. Is that even true?
Just sort of general excess mortality and we don't know why.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, so, I mean there was excess mortality, but there
were a lot of confounding factors, right, we had increased
alcohol use, sedentary lifestyles.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But even now, but even now there's access mortality, right,
where is there not?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
We are still having excess mortality. But I think there
was a quite the spike during COVID, but I think
a lot of that was due to confounding factors. But
I do think that we're just getting sicker, which you know,
brings us back to Maha and how we can make
America healthy again. Do you kind of already answered this question,
(19:20):
but leading us out of COVID and out of the
negative place that we were in, not just from a
health standpoint, but trying to bring the country back together.
Do you think RFK Junior was the right choice for
HHS secretary?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Definitely, because you needed not only the commitment and the dedication,
but you have to be absolutely fearless because he's using
a job that it's hard to imagine that he'll get
credits completely, but he will be just savage and his
family's probably still mad at him, and so I think
(19:56):
the bravery had to be on top of the experience.
He had a lot of experience in that domain from
the lawyer's side, and the will to commit your life
to fixing this thing. So he's as close as I
can imagine to the perfect choice.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I mean, you sound quite sure that. I like that.
I mean a lot of people are equivocate, but you
sound like you're all for him. Would you have voted
for him if he made it onto the presidential ballot?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
No, I still preferred Trump, And you know I would
say at this point that would have been the right choice.
I mean, at the time, we didn't know, but I did, like,
I did like a lot about RFK Junior. I don't
know that his policy preferences across the board would have
lined up with mine. I stay away from abortion, so
(20:47):
we you know, so that wouldn't have bothered me so
much either way. My view and abortion is that men
shouldn't have an opinion. I mean, we could have an opinion,
but we should not be the dominant voice in that conversation.
So I just for to stay out of it and say,
you tell me, you guys, tell me what you want,
and I'll back you.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Well. Soon after President Trump took the White House and
Secretary Kennedy made it through his nomination process, which I'm
not sure if you watched it, but those are some
dramatic hearings. I mean, I didn't know which way it
was going to go. I certainly think there was a
lot of conversation about what he was going to do
to that childhood vaccine schedule, and so far it seems
(21:30):
like he's keeping those promises that he made to get
his votes, and you know, I think that's a good thing.
But you know what I wanted to bring you on today,
about really is. Soon after that, former President Biden shared
with the world. Maybe he needed to because it was
going to be leaked, or he just decided to go
(21:51):
public with it, but the fact that he had metastatic
prostate cancer to the bone, and a lot of people
were by this, and then a lot of people pointed
to the fact, well we kind of knew he wasn't
doing so well. A lot of theories as to whether
he knew for a while and that's maybe why he
didn't run for president or whatnot, and so forth. But
(22:14):
you decided to actually come out in that moment and
share with all of your listeners all of us that
you yourself have been dealing with the same diagnosis. You
want to talk about it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, So I mistakenly believed that because Biden had come
out with that, it would give me some shade and
I could just sort of float in under the story
because I didn't want to.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Make more about your diagnosis.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
No, I didn't want to make it my brand or
the thing that people have thought about when they thought
about me, because it's just a doubter. But I thought
it was necessary to go, you know, go public with
it because people would started noticing I was I was
already having quite a few symptoms by that.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Were you initially diagnosed.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I was diagnosed last October. I think that's when we
started to see the PSA spike, and the confirmation took
a while after that, but it was kind of obvious
when you.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Were originally diagnosed, it was already had metasticized to your
bones by.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
The time I got the biopsy, and then I got
the scan whichever scan they do. After that, they said,
bad news. It's already in your bones and in your
what was it, lymph nos or wherever the hell it goes.
So yeah, it was all over. So I had decided
not to take the classic treatments. You know, they offer
(23:45):
chemo and radiation, but they're not really going to make
a difference to your life expectancy with this particular kind
of cancer. But later, when I was planning to exit
this world in the California legal way, which was the summer,
I had planned that at the end of June of
(24:06):
this year, I would take the magic suicide juice that
California allows you to take. I had already ordered it.
It was in the pharmacy waiting for me to back
it up. And I had a date planned at the
end of June, and but before then, I got a
chance to maybe do an experimental, not experimental, but newly
(24:27):
approved drug. And you're not allowed to do it unless
you've first taken the testosterone blockers. So I got in
some testosterone blockers and learned that all my paid went away,
all my symptoms just went away.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
You just you just unleashed so much there. I want
to go back. You took the testosterone blockers, meaning I
guess that means you are hormone sensitive, right, your hormone
Your cancer was similar to Joe Biden. Stage four is
not curable. We know that, but for some you can
live with it. It's not necessarily you're going to die tomorrow.
(25:08):
Why did it take you so long to start the
testo's phone blockers that ultimately provide relief.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I'm going to give you an honest answer, which I
don't know that I've said to anybody before. I didn't
want to die twice. And if you're if you're a man,
and you turn off your testosterone and the presumption is
it's not coming back. I mean I could get it
back if I stopped the pills, but it wouldn't help.
(25:40):
I'm not really the same person. It's very obvious to me,
and it's even been obvious to other people. I essentially
turned off the male part of my poormonal existence. To me,
that's dying because I'm just not the person I always was,
and I can feel the difference. Now. It's not as
bad I thought it would be, not nearly as bad.
(26:03):
So if you're listening to this, the thing you don't
realize until you do it is that once you've removed
your libido and you've removed your test suscerone, you're just
a different person. But if that person is okay, it's
not so bad. I mean, I wake up in the
morning and I play with my new cats that I got,
(26:24):
which is probably because I have no test sascerone anymore.
And I haven't been irrationally angry at anybody for weeks,
and I'm thinking, oh, I'm usually irrationally angry as somebody.
There's usually something that's making me yellow, get canceled, or
some damn thing. But now I was just kind of mellow.
(26:47):
And I don't know if that's because the lack of
test usterone, but I am a different person. I've described
it as being like being in a video game where
I died and then I on the back as a
different character that's in the same movie, the same game,
but I'm just now a different character playing slightly different role.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I've actually never heard it described that way, and I
appreciate that because my day job is diagnosing cancer, specifically
breast cancer. I see men with prostate cancer coming in
for their mammograms because a lot of them have to
go on anti hormone therapy and it does cause them
to have their breast tissue hypertrophy and grow, so we
(27:35):
also screen them for breast cancer because prostate cancer and
breast cancer on the same gene. And I know people
feel similar to the way you do. It's for some
you know, it means walking their daughter down the aisle,
seeing grandchildren, you know, hanging with their friends, their cats.
Were you a cat person before the TESTOS.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well, yeah, but I feel like I'm more of a
cat person now. I feel like it took it up
about forty so.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
But you said something very honest that you were not
just considering. I mean, you were well on your way
to physician assisted suicide because the pain was so much.
You live in one of the few states where that's legal,
And what was that thought process for you.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Like, well, first of all, I was one of the
advocates for getting that law passed, so I did some
public work to try to make sure that that didn't
get passed, because I always imagined I might need the
option that was part of it as my needed for myself.
And the pain makes it easy. You say to yourself,
(28:42):
it's going to be hard to make that decision, but
not if you wake up in pain. You're in pain
all day and you go to sleep in pain and
it doesn't look like tomorrow is going to be any better,
probably worse, because that's the nature of it. But once
the pain went away, and it only took a week
being on the testosterone blockers, all the pain in my
body went a way. I've got some other issues I
(29:06):
just got scanned, and there's some other troubling things happening
inside my body, but at the moment, no pain. So
I just have an ordinary day.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
More coming up on wellness Unmasked with doctor Nicole Sapphire,
so other things popping up on scans, like hopefully I'm
sure if you don't want to share them right now,
but when we.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Start any details. Yeah, I just know there's some irregularities
there that are probably cancer related, but I don't know.
I'll find out his name tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I'm going to hope it's an incidental loma, as we
call it, and maybe nothing, but.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
There's a name for that. Incidental loma.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yes, incidental loma, the random things we find when we're
imaging people for other things. It's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, that's exactly why I didn't want to get scanned.
I'm like, they're going to find something. They're definitely going
to find something, so we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You decided to try You said you didn't want to
do the radiation and surgery and chemo and whatnot, but
you did try some of the anti parasitics that you
know that you see people talking about, like ivermectin and
the bendazole to and trust me, I have patients coming
in saying that they're trying it. What was your thought
process on using those?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, let me let me do a magic trick and
I will read your mind, and I can tell that
none of the people who are your patients who tried
it had a good result. How did I do?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, I have not I right. I mean, I've seen
a lot of people on social media say their cancer
is cured, but I myself have never seen it in
the every day that I see patients with cancer.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
It is what I call the one patient problem that
you've You've probably seen five different reports about the guy
who was cured using those drugs, and then you you
chase it back and it's that one guy, and you
can't really find out everything you need to know about
that one guy. But I suspect he might have been
on testosterone up the blockers, and maybe he just had
(31:13):
the same ores I did. I mean, if I had
taken I've remacin them at the same time I took
the testosterone blockers, I would have imagined they worked sured me. Yeah,
so it's the first thing I tried because it wouldn't
hurt me, and there were some positive anecdotal reports, and
I thought, well, you know, I'll try it first. And
(31:36):
my PSA just went through the roof while I was
on it, so I got off of that and tried
a different route.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Well, I mean, the reality is a lot of those
studies looking at those anti parasitics were done in places
where parasite load is very high, and there are reports
that cancer patients that are on them they're doing better.
It's like, well, yeah, if you have a high parasitic
load and you have these parasites who are just feeding
off the nutril of your body, your body well doesn't
have the same tools to fight the cancer. So in
(32:06):
addition to standard therapy, if you want to try some
anti parasitics, I'm all for it. I probably would too,
to be honest, if I have cancer and I'm looking
at my life and I'm going to do everything I can.
The problem I have is when people say that this
is the cure, all, I'm going to ignore everything else
despite all of the data showing it may work despite
(32:27):
potential side effects. You know, I'm okay with trying it
for sure, and I think probably we all could probably
benefit from doing a dose of an anti parasitic If
if you're a media you're like I am.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
If that had worked and I had actually cured my
incurable cancer with it, the next thing I would do
is I would be all over television. I would have
my medical records printed out, and I would have my
doctor sitting next to me and saying, all right, ask
my doctor this is real. Here it is, Here's what
I did, Here's how I got Because how in the
(33:01):
world do you not fax everybody else if it works
and you have the experience. I mean, it's not like
you have to be a doctor. If you had an
incurable cancer and you cured it, I mean you could
test to make sure that it was cured. I would
tell everybody, and I would make that my life's work
from that point on. But I also looked around and
(33:24):
I said, am I the only person who would do that?
That all the other people are trying it? Because you know,
there were just tens of thousands of people who tried it.
By now not a single person got the cure. And
then said, I got to tell everybody about this. So
here's my medical record, here's my doctor asked me any
question you want. So the lack of that was kind
(33:48):
of obvious.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I mean, I know everybody's wanting to cure. Everyone's wanting
to get away from some of the traditional cancer agents.
I get it, We're working on it so there are
fewer side effects. I don't think this is going this
is this is not the cancer cure all. But again,
maybe an anti parasitic should be added. To the regiment.
They would help a lot of us who maybe have
(34:13):
some level of parasite load.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I know I got rid of by parasites. My parasites.
They didn't have a chance chance.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So a lot of people know you well. I mean
I know you mostly from the last decade of your life,
but initially, I mean you became a household name from
the Dilbert comics. Do you do you still draw and write?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah? I got canceled from all proper newspapers, but it
was right at this time. I wanted to retire anyway,
And for me, retirement doesn't mean not working. I can't
really even imagine that world. For me, retirement meant doing
what I wanted when I wanted to, and you know,
there might be some money involved. So I still do
to the comic I've never missed a day, So even
(34:58):
when I got canceled, continued every day. But it was
behind a subscription wall. So now you'd have to go
to locals or you would have to be on X
and subscribe to it, and you can still see it.
So now that it's subscription only, I get to do
the naughty stuff that I couldn't do in the newspapers. Yeah,
it was really restrictive. You had to be just family
(35:22):
rated g rated, and now I can go you know, PG. Thirteen.
It makes allle difference.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It's a differences altered your creative process at all?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Probably not, yeah, not really. I run for the people
who subscribe, I showed them the comic I drew exactly
ten years before the date I published the new one,
so you can see what I used to look like
and what I look like today, ten year difference. And
I always check them to see did I used to
(35:53):
be funny but now I'm not? Because you know I would.
Nobody's going to tell you your Your friends are not going
to say, oh, you know, I meant to tell you.
I noticed you used to be good at this, but
now you're not. Now you're old, so they're not going
to do that. So you have to sort of monitor
yourself as far as I can tell about the same
(36:15):
as I was. But sometimes it's funnier because I could
do more topics now than I used to be able
to with.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
You've obviously had some very serious internal reflection facing mortality recently,
even having the medications at the pharmacy waiting for you.
If when you're thinking about that, what would you kind
of want just reflecting back on your decades on decades
of accomplishments, what do you want your readers, your listeners,
(36:43):
just everyone to remember most about you and your work.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, when I was in college, I thought I was
going to be a lawyer, and I was sort of
pre law in my mind anyway, And at one point
I realized that lawyers are sort of a win lose situation.
You know, if you win as a lawyer, probably the
other team lost. And I thought, I don't really want
(37:08):
to be in a situation where anybody loses because of
something I did. So I thought, wouldn't it better to
do something like entertainment where people can ignore you or
they can have fun with it, but everybody wins. There's
no loser in that transaction. So, you know, doing a
cartoon fit my needs very well. But at one point
(37:31):
I got divorced my first step two. And if you're
if you have a step kids, which I did, you
lose everything at the same time because there's step kids.
You know, it's not like they're shared custody or anything
like that. So your life just blows up. And I
realized I had no purpose, like i'd wake up and
(37:53):
I think, well, I can make money and I can
do this fun thing, but why, like, what's my purpose?
And so I actually said out loud by myself that
I was donating myself to the world and that I
would just instead of working for the benefit of a
family unit, I would try to help as many people
(38:15):
as I could with whatever gifts I had. So that's
when I wrote my book. I had it, failed almost
everything and still went big, which has become quite influential
in the self help domain. And the books that followed
had the same quality, which is is going to make
your life better if you pay attention. And when people
(38:38):
found out by diagnosis, thousands of people reached out and
they said some version of because of you, I quit drinking,
or because of you, I lost eighty pounds. Because of you,
I got a promotion, I got married, I've got two
great kids now, and apparently I've a bunch of medical
(39:01):
problems that I didn't even know about. People had met problem,
people had mental problems, et cetera. And they were saying,
you changed my life. And I thought to myself, that's
that's what I was trying to do. You know, I
dedicated my life to doing that, and people told me
it worked, and I wouldn't have known if I hadn't
(39:24):
had the diagnosis that caused people to come out and
reach out. So I had a feeling of calm, meaning
that I felt like I'd done what I needed to do,
and then if I could give myself a report card,
it would look pretty good. It would be mostly a's,
(39:45):
and I thought, you know, I'm comfortable leaving them to
this situation. I got mostly a's self graded, but I
seem to have helped enough people that that was worth
me being here. And it was true tmendously satisfying. It's
hard to explain.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I wish for anyone who's dealing with anything that they
get to that place in their life where they actually
can feel, not that they're ready to die, but satisfied
with where they are in their life. And I think
in today's environment, so many people are always going, going, going,
grass is always greener, never satisfied. That's a pretty amazing feeling.
(40:25):
One of the people who did reach out to you,
I mean, yes, I reached out to you, but also
President Trump reached out to you.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
What was that, Yeah, Yeah, one day I was sending
in my kitchen just doing my drawing, and the phone rings,
and I didn't recognize the phone number, some Florida Palm
Spring's phone number, and I thought, I'll let that go
into voicemail. So I let it go to voicemail. And
then later I'm like, I better check that, and I
check it, and the voicemail comes on and says, Hi,
(40:54):
this is your favorite president. I'm looking I'm thinking no
way away, and then you know, he goes on, you know,
he heard about my diagnosis and just wanted to talk,
and then he says, call me back.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
He gave you can share that with them.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Well, well, he said, call me back on this number,
you know. So I had the number because he had
called me, so of course I did not because you don't.
I mean, well, I thought, you know, that's not a
sincere offer because he's got lots of stuff to do,
and even if it's very nice, and even if he
meant it, I'm not going to take his time when
(41:32):
he's you know, ending wars and trying to deal with
tariffs and everything. So I didn't. Several hours later, the
phone rings again. He called me back. He called me back,
and I'm looking at it and I'm like, no way
no way, And sure enough it was President Trump and
(41:52):
he wished me the best, and UH didn't offer to help.
He said if he need any help, let me know,
And I honestly I believe him. It was nothing I
particularly needed from him. But if there had been some
company that was blocking me from some achievement or something,
I actually had the feeling that I could call him
(42:14):
up to say, could you drop a phone call to
the CEO of this company? And I feel like he
would have done it. It was a strange he would
have done it. Yeah, I think he would have. It
was very nice to call. Well.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
You you have a way with predicting politics. Although you're
self proclaimed I think libertarian.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Isn't that the lost Libertarians a little bit too crazy
for me? I'm more like an independent, you know, I'm
a registered Democrat. I just like Trump in particularly.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Well, you predicted Trump would win his first his first round,
way before the pollsters caught wind of that freight train
which was then soon to be President Trump coming. Would
you have any predictions for the twenty twenty eight election,
any idea the candidates?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Well, I'm pretty sure it's j D vance.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
And try and stay in office. Hillary thinks he's going to.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I hope he's just having fun with it, but I
would not rule out I would not rule out the
possibility that he's thinking, you know, if something happened, you know,
something that changed everything. When he was joking about Zelenski
canceling elections, uh, he was joking that, hey, maybe I
could do that too. The fact is, there might be
(43:35):
some situation, you know, completely unforeseen where even the country
itself would say, you know what, we can't have an
election now. We got this big problem we're dealing with.
So it's not impossible. But I don't think he's taking
it too seriously at this point, and I don't think
his base would be for it unless we were in
a war, for example, and then they might. They might,
(43:56):
but I don't think. I don't think he'll start a
war to stay in office. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Me going around, it seems like you think J. D.
Bance will be the candidate. Is that who you would
like to see?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah? You know, I feel like he's earned it. You know,
he's he's been a really solid vice president. His communication
skills are unbelievable, and he doesn't have quite the provocative personality.
So he's got most of what's going about Trump. You know,
(44:28):
nobody matches him. He's you know, you can't really compare
Trump to anybody actually, but he's got enough of the
good stuff without enough of the provocative stuff that he
should be able to just slide right in there. So
I'd be surprised if he lost.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Who do you think about on the Democrat side?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I feel so sorry for them. They really have nothing,
well a little bit, a little bit. They really don't
have anything. You know, they don't have anything that would
stand up to Trump. But they also don't have anything
that would stand up to jd Vance. You know, even
if you say, well he's only seventy five percent the
(45:12):
power of Trump or whatever you want to put on it,
I don't think they have anything.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
And what about Gavin Newsom's push on social media right now?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I feel like Gavin Newsom, they haven't unleashed the full
what do you call it, the adversarial research. I feel
like that he's had an interesting life and we're going
to hear about that. So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's like that one picture of him with like a
tiger rug or something in front of him. I think
I saw something random of all I know is from
the very basics looking at Gavin Newsom, is there have
been there's a mass exodus of people leaving California since
he's been governor, as it's gone into this massive debt,
(46:01):
and that's who we want to run the whole country like,
we'll have nowhere to mass exodus to.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
It's hard to imagine that you can use his record
as is, you know, you know, stepping zone to the presidency.
But the only thing he's got is he has the
look and he's got the talk. You know, he looks
like exactly who you'd expect to be your next president.
He's got to slick back, Harry. He's tall, he's he's
(46:29):
got the whole package. But he does have a track
record I think anybody's going to want to take to
the national level. I hope.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Well you heard it here first that Scott Adams predicts
jd Vance is going to take the twenty twenty eight election.
I guess we'll have to wait and see, Scott.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I'll make that, I'll make that an official prediction.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I like it, Okay, I like it. Do you think
Ruby is going to be with him? Is he can
have a running mate?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I feel like Rubio is really strong player. But it
feels like j D would be a bit of primary,
so they might they might do a primary, but yeah,
I think JD is going to win.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Thank you so much for being so honest with all
of us and talking about things. I loved your message
about your diagnosis, I think. I mean, I'm not surprised
so many people have benefited just from listening to You're
just so honest with people, and I think that's the
way forward for us as a society is to just
(47:31):
continue to be honest with people that what we know,
what we don't know, and what we're doing and learning ourselves.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
We're trying.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
You're listening to Wellness un Mass. We'll be right back
with more. I can't again tell you how grateful I
am that Scott was able to join Wellness on MASS.
I have been a fan of his, I have listened
to him, I have learned from him, and I was
just genuinely heartfeld when he came forward and shared his
(48:04):
diagnosis with everyone, his struggles and the hope sounds that
he has found along the way. Scott's story is a
reminder that health, it's truly truly more than the scans
more than a diagnosis or your lab values. It's about
how we choose to live, love and how are we
going to leave our mark. Thank you for listening to
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