September 5, 2025 • 62 mins
No Panicans, Please
The economic segment focuses on the latest U.S. jobs report, revealing a slowdown in hiring with only 22,000 jobs added in August. Clay and Buck analyze inflation’s lingering effects under President Biden, emphasizing how price hikes have reshaped consumer expectations and daily costs—from fast food to coffee. They argue that although inflation has cooled, the damage to household budgets remains embedded, creating a political challenge for President Trump’s current administration.
The show also covers breaking news about a Supreme Court case that could impact presidential authority over tariffs, potentially reversing nearly a trillion dollars in collected revenue. Clay and Buck explore the legal and economic ramifications of this decision.
In a cultural deep dive, the hosts react to Malcolm Gladwell’s recent comments on transgender athletes in women’s sports. They contrast his late admission with JK Rowling’s longstanding stance, praising Rowling’s courage and criticizing Gladwell’s perceived opportunism. This sparks a broader conversation about cancel culture, free speech, and the left’s dominance in media and advertising.
The Trans Lie
A major theme of the hour is the rise in autism diagnoses and childhood allergies, prompting Clay to ask whether the medical community is doing enough to investigate environmental and pharmaceutical causes. This leads to breaking news from the Wall Street Journal: RFK Jr. is set to release a report linking autism to Tylenol use during pregnancy and folate deficiencies. The hosts discuss the potential impact of this report and the growing movement of parents demanding transparency and accountability in pediatric healthcare.
The hour also revisits the controversial role of Rachel Levine, Assistant Secretary for Health, and critiques the politicization of gender-affirming care. Clay and Buck argue that the push for early medical transition in children is based on ideological pressure rather than sound science, calling it a “barbaric” trend that ignores long-term mental health outcomes.
War on Drugs
Breaking news on the U.S. military’s unprecedented kinetic strike against a suspected narco-terrorist vessel in the Caribbean. Clay and Buck discuss the implications of this escalation in the war on drugs, including the deployment of fighter jets to Puerto Rico and the legal authority behind targeting drug traffickers with lethal force. They explore how the designation of cartels as terrorist organizations changes the rules of engagement and could reshape U.S. counter-narcotics strategy.
The hosts dive deep into the economics of the drug trade, emphasizing how cartels continue to profit despite increased seizures and enforcement. They argue that the risk-reward calculus for drug mules and smugglers may shift dramatically in light of the new military tactics. Clay urges parents and grandparents to talk to their kids about the dangers of fentanyl-laced party drugs, highlighting the growing number of accidental poisonings among young Americans.
Filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza
Filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza discusses his upcoming documentary, The Dragon’s Prophecy. The film explores the October 7th Hamas attacks on Israel through a biblical lens, drawing parallels between ancient Philistine warfare and modern Palestinian tactics. D’Souza shares exclusive footage and survivor interviews, while addressing both left-wing and right-wing critiques of Israel. He argues that the conflict is deeply rooted in history and theology, and may never be fully resolved, though Trump’s peace-through-prosperity approach offers a glimmer of hope.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Friday edition of the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. We are racked and stacked on
this Friday. That's right. It is time, my friends, to
dive into all of it. It is September, so no
more afternoon nap time because it's summer. Everybody. We got
a nation to save, we got a world to solve.
(00:20):
We got things to do, and we're doing it right now.
Florida Surgeon General, Joseph doctor, real doctor, not a Joe
Biden doctor, Doctor Joseph Ladipae, will be with us talk
about Florida's vaccine mandate situation. It's a little more complicated
than someone with the headline suggests. We want to hear
from the man himself, doctor Latipo, Florida Surgeon General, and
(00:43):
I think somebody that you may very well see somewhere
in the Trump administration over the course of the four years.
We'll see if we can ask them about that. Our
buddy Denis Desuza has another film, that Dragon's Prophecy. He'll
talk to us about that in the third hour. Remember
yesterday I said they'll make good films anymore. Well, well,
there are some independent films conservative filmmakers out there are
(01:04):
doing cool stuff. So we'll talk to Denesh about his
movie just in the realm of We got to cover
it because it's out and news today. Not a whole
lot to say about it. You got hiring stalled, uish
economy out of twenty two thousand jobs in August, a
little bit of a summer slow down, but no big deal.
(01:24):
Don't panic. It's all gonna be fine. No pannikins, Clay allowed.
We have a no Panikins policy. I might have to
get a no panicins sign whenever we talk about the economy.
You surely don't panic. Mister Clay over there telling everybody
when the market was getting shell ACKed earlier this year,
don't don't run for the lifeboats, stay on the icon
of the seas or whatever your preferred vessel is, and
(01:47):
you'll be fine. So Clay, do you do you see
any I got something else we're going to dive into
in a second, but just your quick reaction to jobs report.
Where the economy is heading right now, how it's all looking.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Jerome was laid again and they're going to cut rates
in September. He was wrong in allowing the overall in
the overall inflation rate to get to nine point one,
sorry one percent during Biden. And I think the biggest
issue that Trump faces in terms of sort of vibe
for lack of a better way to describe it, is
(02:22):
people are still angry because prices went up so fast
under Biden. I mean to me, that is a lot
of people are out there and they're saying, well, prices
haven't come back down, and I think the challenge is
prices never come back down.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
This is the pernicious nature of inflation. Once prices go up,
they are inflated, and the new normal becomes whatever those
prices are. The best you can do is try to
get back to normalcy. And we are back to normalcy.
But trust me, I've been saying this for years. Every
time I go through a fast food restaurant drive through
(02:59):
with my kids, Chick fil A is usually our preferred place.
The amount of money that it costs me makes me
shake my head. It doesn't feel right, and people have
sort of internal calculators in their head for what something
should cost. Coffee in the morning, a trip to a
fast food restaurant with your kids, a pizza, and all
(03:20):
of it is wildly out of sorts. With what it
should have been if Biden hadn't gotten elected and screwed
up everything. So I think there's a lingering hangover effect,
for lack of a better way of describing it, for
the massive run up and inflation that we saw, and
it's going to take years for people to recognize that
things start to feel normal again.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Does that make sense? And so I think that's going
to be going on. Even if what you say, and
I think what you say on this is correct, even
if it's economically true, it can still be politically a problem. Right.
It is Trump's economy now, So the Democrats are going
to try to pounce on this. They don't care that Biden.
It's like blaming that like Republicans are good blame when
(04:02):
the debts thirty seven trillion dollars, but when it was
thirty six point five trillion, Democrats had no problem.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I mean, there's going to be some of that gamesmanship
going on here. But bottom line is, I think the
economy is still very strong, going to better places, and
I am I am optimistic. Although I will say we
didn't discuss this. The Trump team looking at tariffs, or
rather the Supreme Court is supposed to look at tariff's.
Trump team had an appeals decision that went against them,
and now there's the possibility that this tariff stuff may
(04:30):
be undone by judges saying the president doesn't have the authority.
That's a mess. That's a mess. So I don't know
what that's going to do. But this is in the
are we really we really want to see what happens
if almost a trillion dollars in collected money, what are
we going to give it back to these countries? It's crazy.
So we'll see two other stories, by the way, that
are high up on the radar for US, just to
(04:52):
put a pin in them. The mayor of DC, it's
like I told you all from the beginning, kind of
likes Trump's crime crackdown, kind of likes it. We got
a story on that, want to scoop on that. And
the US is deploying ten fire jets jets to Puerto Rico,
I think to maybe blow up more cartel drug ships,
(05:13):
which is uh, they're serious about this, And Pete Heggs
at the Secretary of Defense spoke directly about it, but
Clay had had to go to this one. We had
quite a robust discussion yesterday about Malcolm Gladwell, and we
discussed that he has come out and said and he
admitted that he was too cowardly to say the truth.
That's not saying that he believed it and now has
(05:34):
learned more new facts of facts have come in. He
just said, look, I'm too much of a I was
too much of a wimp about trans men competing against
women in sports. And I said to you, well, do
we give credit, Clay or do we have to look
at this as pure opportunism? Right? JK. Rowling, who you
and I both hold in high regard. The Harry Potter
author wrote this about the situation. I want to get
(05:57):
Clay's reaction. Gladwell's career wouldn't have been destroyed if he
spoke out against the glaring unfairness, not to mention dangers
of allowing men to compete in women's sports. He'd have
faced the loss of approval from the cultural elite and
received activist blowback, and even that wouldn't have come with
the tsunami of death and rape threats women face when
they speak out. Non famous people, mostly women, girls and
(06:20):
gay people, have genuinely had their careers and lives destroyed
for saying what Gladwell was too pusillanimous to say, and
he didn't lift a finger in their defense. She goes
on and on. He hasn't changed. He merely sends to
shift in what is acceptable to say and feels safe
to align himself with a new consensus excusing his previous behavior.
(06:44):
He isn't an ally, He's a weather vein clay off
the top rope.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We talked about this, I believe with Vin Shapiro and
I think one of the most challenging things out there
is when do you get grace and when do you not?
And I love JK Rowling because, as we said and
have said for some time, she had no reason to
(07:12):
need to do this. She is publishing royalty she could
have after she wrote the Harry Potter books, which are fantastic.
My ten year old is reading them now. I bet
a lot of your kids and grandkids may have not
been readers, and if they do become readers later in life,
it's often because you get them started at an early
(07:33):
age with the gift of learning what books can bring
to their lives. And you and I were both huge
readers at young ages. I would say, if I can
give any advice on education at all, it's get your
kids to read. I think it's going to become even
more important in an AI era, where having the ability
(07:54):
to distinguish truth from fiction and real from fake is
going to become maybe the most important skill set that
a child can have and that a young adult can have.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And I would say that exists. Now.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Look, I live to this, and all I can tell
you is, I don't think the full story on the
power of the left to take over advertising marketing and
recognize it as a area that they can control and
dominate all this discourses. It's a cultural and economic choke point,
(08:29):
a huge one. I don't think most people will even
still understand it. And so I live this. I told
you guys, I was I had a.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Multi million fan and you would think would be about
beer drinking sports fans, but apparently they're about transgender guys,
you know, smashing volleyballs in the girl's faces. But Clay,
what do you think about this assessment from J K.
Rowling because she kind of she kind of ripped Gladwell's
face off with this one. Let's be honest. I mean,
she went she went for the juggular. Here she was
(08:59):
not and around well.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I think it's particularly interesting because I would see them
as in many ways contemporaries, by which I mean I
would bet JK. Rowing is basically the best selling fiction
author of her generation.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I think she's the first author billionaire from actual works
created as an author. I think she is that has
that title, and I would submit, you, said Michael Lewis.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But I would bet Malcolm Gladwell has sold more copies
of nonfiction books than almost anybody of his generation. Certainly
he's worth I would bet hundreds of millions of dollars
because of his books. When I read this you sent
it to me this morning, I hadn't seen it yet.
It actually to me read as she knows that he's
(09:41):
a fraud on a personal level.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yes, yes, we been talking about this beforehand, but I
think she knows stuff. Go ahead, so I just thunder.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You're right when when sometimes if you see a particular
venom from people in public life, it's because Hey, I'm
not going there fully about what I know about you,
but I'm not going to give you grace because I
know you're full of it. I've never met Malcolm Gladwell.
I have no relationship with him. I have no knowledge
of him on a personal level. I've enjoyed several of
(10:13):
his books, that's my full scope. I've never met JK.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Rowling.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I don't know anything about her. I find it hard
to believe that the two of them, given their prominence
in the writing communities, would not have cross paths and
or be in some way knowledgeable of each other's personal
as well as professional wives. And so this feels to
me like she knows or has felt for some time
(10:37):
that he's a fraud, different in public than in private,
because it's such a takedown.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
To me.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It doesn't read as someone just has a different political
opinion than me. It reads as this guy's a total
fraud who is truly a weather vein, and you can't
trust him, and she's basically coming after him for that reason.
So I think it's bigger than the disagreement, right, And.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So that the thing that I totally agree with here
in your assessment is that she was on a panel
or saw him with someone on a panel. I mean,
I even saw Matt Tayibe, who was a man solidly
of the left as a writer, but because he has
approached things with some journalistic objectivity and honesty. He has
(11:24):
found himself in agreement with the right more and more,
a little bit like Glenn Greenwald for example. Like Glenn
is I completely disagree with him on some things, Israel
being one of them. But when you talk about First
Amendment and free speech stuff and government transparency, he agrees
with a lot of people on the right about a
lot of stuff and the deep state. But Tayeebee also
(11:45):
went after Gladwell, which I thought was interesting for basically
calling Matt Tayebe a racist. So the knives are out
a bit here. It was interesting to see. By the way,
to your point, I checked this out. Michael Lewis has
sold about ten million copies, which is for an author, unbelievable.
That's a lot. Gladwell has sold almost twenty five million,
(12:09):
so a lot. The guys sold a lot of books. Yeah,
so do.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
You get me?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
They definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And by the way, sometimes this stuff happens behind the
scenes where whatever you think about both you and me,
I've never been an anonymous source like I tell you
basically for better or words, exactly what I think. Yeah,
there are people like and I'm saying I don't think JK.
Rowling is tiptoeing up to anything. I think she's saying
(12:36):
exactly what she believes to be true. Sometimes people like
Gladwell are very political behind the scenes and they're pulling
levers and they're trying to say.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh, I didn't have any idea that was going to happen. Really,
everybody knows these people who are.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
They present one way face to face, but then you
find out you've been getting stabbed in the back by
them secretly sort of.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
In the it's called working in the media. It's called
working in the media.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yes, So to me, I read this and I thought,
she's not giving him grace because she knows he is
unworthy of receiving grace. And uh and so I read that,
and I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A JK.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Rowley, I never would have expected that a British lady
who wrote books about sorcerers and wizards and you know,
child children's fantasy would ever be the savage that she
is in the world of of of of consumer culture
and political opinion. But my goodness, I love her. I'd
(13:34):
love to meet her at some pome you have her
on the show. I think that would be amazing. We'll
reach out. I mean, she's a billionaire, so her time
is probably pretty valuable. We'll try, but I.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Would say, thinking Drum's a billionaire, he calls any anx outles,
so maybe maybe JK, we'll call in. I would say,
though she sees what this brain virus which and I
don't mean just transgenderism, I mean the brain virus of
of forced lying and forced falsification in society. She sees
(14:03):
what it's doing to the UK, and I think it
makes her deeply sad for her home country because it's
winning over there. You see, it's a different context. Everyone here,
we still are on the air. Trump is in charge,
Conservatism is ascendant right now, or the right. Let's just
say the right is ascendant in this country in this moment.
In the UK, it's turning into a route, a route
(14:26):
against free speech, a route against secure borders, a route
against basic truth. And I think she's very concerned because
she sees that that's happening. I think that's one hundred
percent right.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And honestly, if you read her books, which I have
and which I would encourage you to buy for your
kids and grandkids, much of the book honestly is focused
with what happens when freedom of speech vanishes when the
media can't be trusted. I mean, if you read this
in the context in which she is living in England.
She addressed this as part of her books in a
(14:59):
fairly substantial away.
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Speaker 2 (16:07):
And a lot of discussion coming out of RFK Junior's
testimony yesterday, and I thought that jd Vance actually did
a really good job of contextualizing what is and is
not considered science, and I wanted to play this. This
is a flashback to November of twenty twenty four. This
is an assistant HHS Secretary, Rachel Levine. What was this
(16:31):
guy's name, the Admiral? What was his real name before
changing himself to Rachel? Don't you expect me to dead
name on this program, sir?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I am leading you over the middle to dead name.
I don't know. I actually can't remember otherwise, but I
felt like that was a good plan be there, right, like, yeah,
let me look up.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I actually want to make sure that we know what
Levine's real name is, Admiral Levine. I'm typing it in
right now, in real time and you even look at
up Rachel Levine. It doesn't even I mean, this is
just how crazy it is when you type this in
that they won't even tell you what his original name was.
He was married, he had two kids, and then decided, oh,
(17:14):
wait a minute, I'm a chick and just started walking
around in a women's navy uniform. And everybody's just supposed
to accept that that's real. And here he is saying, hey, Richard,
Richard Levine, Dick Levine. Ironically, enough, there you go. This
(17:34):
is a suicide prevention care. This is just so nasty
that they did this, and this is why I think
it's important to continue to reemphasize it.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
They prayed on the love of so many.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Parents out there, and they said, if your kid, they
would say this all the time, do you want a
dead daughter or a live son or vice versa. They
made you believe that you were going to cause your
kids suicide. If you didn't give them puberty blockers, if
you didn't give them the ability to chop off their genitals,
(18:09):
you were going to kill them. This is what they
were saying as recently as November of twenty twenty four.
When they say, oh RFK junior. He's anti science. Remember
what they were saying. This was someone they put in
power cut thirteen.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
What would you.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Say to folks who think that they're being reasonable by saying,
why can't children just wait till they're eighteen?
Speaker 5 (18:32):
The adolescence is hard and puberty is hard. What if
you're going through the wrong puberty? What if you inside
feel that you are female, but now you're going through
a male puberty.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
The argument is, well, they're too young to know.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
I want to make it clear that for pre pubertal
children there are no medical procedures done. The extendard of
care allows them to explore that with therapy. Well, gender
firming care is medical care. Ender firming care is mental
health care. Gender firmic care is literally suicide prevention care.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Okay, literally suicide prevention care. I mean, all of this
is crazy and.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Also ignores the very clear data which shows that mental
health outcomes for people who go through transition processes when
they look at them over a longer horizon are incredibly negative.
And it also doesn't address why do they call it
gender affirming care? How is it therapy if the assumption
(19:32):
when you go and walk through the doors is oh,
you're having these questions. Do they ever say, Clay, you
think in these gender affirming sessions, you know, maybe you're
just going through some stuff and you're gonna wake up
in a few months and realize you're actually a dude
and things happen to people and it's okay, and you're
going to get back on track here. No, it's how
do we get you to change your name, grow your hair,
(19:54):
and tell everybody you're a chick as fast as possible.
That's what happens. Does anyone doubt that for one second?
By the way, this is one of the unfortunate side effects.
I know we have some conservative psychiatrists who listened to
the show because they was right in when I say
this psychiatry is by far the most left wing medical
specialization in this country. By far, psychiatry and the District
(20:15):
of Columbia have pretty much the same politics and political affiliation. Yes,
and to your point, that's actually a lie that he
was telling too, because we know that there were thousands
of kids that were actually having top surgery bottom surgery
(20:36):
when they were miners. And this is why I think
in the years ahead, you're going to see so many
plaintiff lawyers filing lawsuits because most kids are a little
bit uncomfortable as they are going through puberty, regardless of
whether their boys or girls. It is a really challenging
time for almost all kids. I mean, your body changes
(20:59):
in real time.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
And there's an ad out I give credit to Jennifer
Say and her xxx Y company, which is just basically saying, hey,
men and women are different. I was watching an ad
that she had that she posted, which is saying, hey,
here's a shout out to all the tomboys, how many
of you out there that are listening to us right now?
(21:23):
When you were eleven, twelve, thirteen years old, girls thought, oh,
I want to run around with the boys. Oh I'm
I'm just a boy. I just like hanging out with
the boys more than I do the girls. And then
Huberty hits and maybe you're a little bit uncomfortable with
the idea of how much your body's changing compared to
the boys that you may have been running around with before.
(21:45):
And then you go to a doctor and he says, well,
what's really going on is not You're just a little
bit uncomfortable. Because transitions to adolescents are challenging for kids, everywhere.
It's that you are really a boy, and we need
to the fact that you are a boy, and we're
gonna pump you full of all sorts of hormones to
(22:06):
try to keep your natural body from turning you into
a growing young woman, and instead we're gonna stilt your development.
I mean, this is can I just also barbaric. It
is barbaric that this was allowed to occur.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, and there are a lot of people who have
have done very bad things here in the name of health, healthcare, science,
civil rights even. I mean, they've really made this a
cause on the left and they have gotten many people
involved in it. Here's a part of the problem. Clay yesterday,
I think we really focused on the lying dynamic, which
(22:43):
is at the center of this whole thing. You have
to lie about this stuff. You have to lie, you
have to you have to be who is the physicist
who went on, uh, Neil de grass Neil de grass
Tyson that you have to be Niel the grass Tyson,
who's an astrophysicist who when asked who men have an
generally speaking, do men have an advantage over women in
(23:03):
athletic competition? He's like, oh, I have no idea, Sir,
I've never even considered you have to lie. So we
have to go Ladwell, you have to go to Gladwell.
Oh I like that as a very you gotta godwell,
that's tugh. You know who would give you a high
five for that? JK. Rowling, who should now probably come
on the program sometime. Plus you say that her books
are better. You say her books are better than C. S. Lewis,
(23:24):
So like you're really you're really buttering up rallying from afar. Okay,
But Clay, the other part of this is, and this
is also goes to the lie, but it goes to
the science, which is that you cannot become a woman.
I imagine if it were possible to do this, it
would be an interesting ethical discussion on its own right.
(23:45):
If you could give somebody cross sex hormones and truly
transform them into something that is physically indistinguishable from a woman.
There would still be this whole like should you do that?
What are the of doing that? But that's not even
what we're talking about. These people who are given the
cross sex hormones and the surgeries never actually passes women.
(24:11):
They do not come across to the broader society as women.
And I've had this debate of people say, oh, well,
you know some like some guys on dating sites will
swipe right at them. It's like, well, because if you
can use filters, and you can you can cheat in
a photo. In person, you always know they never come
across as women. So there's a lie that's at the
(24:32):
heart of all this. The whole notion of gender affirmation
skips the fact that the transition never works. And if
and if it's not about the physical transition, why go
through the process in the first place. If it's an
emotional state that must be respected, why do this? You know,
the snip and the change and the and the tuck
and all these things that go on. If it's not
(24:55):
about the physical change, Well, the physical change is always insufficient.
And that's part of this that never gets discussed. You
cannot actually transition, it does not exist. So that is a.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Lie also a lie basically everything they told us during COVID.
So then how do you expect And this is the
big question that I asked, I think doctor Sapphire. The
challenge that I think we face now is when you
have been lied to to such an extent by public
health experts when they told you take your mask off
(25:31):
when you sit down in a restaurant. You can eat,
but you have to leave your mask on when you
walk in and check in at the counter, and then
magically you sit down and it's fine. When they told
you that you could not go outside at all, and
then George Floyd happens, and they suddenly say, actually, it's
imperative that you go out and join hundreds of thousands
(25:54):
of people in march in close unison in the streets
to protest against systemic racism. How in the world can
you trust anything that public health authorities are saying now?
And I think that is well. I ask doctor Latipo
about this in a moment. But that's why I've got
RFK Junior's back. I don't presume that he's right on everything.
I don't presume that anybody's right on everything, but I'm
(26:18):
willing to listen to him because he correctly diagnosed much
of the wrong decisions that were being made in COVID,
and so I find it somewhat We were talking about
this a little bit yesterday. Why do kids today get
twice as many vaccinations as you and I got when
we were babies.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
That seems like a question that's very legitimate to ask.
And by the way, lots of vaccinations are good. We
should stop polio from happening. That's a good thing, right,
we should stop we should stop things that can kill baby.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Vaccines are and I'm excited for all the emails on this.
I'm not saying all vaccines today, but vaccines as a
general medical breakthrough have probably and I'm taking this back
now two hundred years, have probably saved more human lives
than any other medical advance in history. Just now, that
(27:15):
doesn't mean that every that you need seventy vaccines for
your kids today, but it just we got to keep
it in perspective. There are vaccines, there have been vaccines
we want to keep everybody from getting. We are decidedly
anti smallpox on them, like plays anti murder at polio.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
There are a lot of things that it's very good
that do not exist. But I do think it's fair
to say, is it appropriate to give every kid twice
as many vaccinine vaccine doses today as their average kid
got into any when I was a baby. We'll talk
to doctor Latipo about this, but I just think, for example, antibiotics.
(27:53):
Antibiotics as a general class of medication are incredible and
and if you have certain infections, the fact that antibiotics
exist are like a miracle. Now does that mean that
every time you have a cold and I've you know,
you should be taking like a Z packet? Is there
overuse of antibiotics? Are we creating antibiotic resistant bacteria with ato? Yes,
(28:17):
there are problems, but that's a different thing than just
saying I'm opposed to antibiotics right, or that I think
antibiotics don't have a place in the modern medical tool kit.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So I just we got to keep it in perspective.
You're there are there are some good vaccines, and there
are some worthless and bad vaccines, and there are some
vaccines that have been more dangerous than they were worth.
And all this stuff is true, but it's not a
I'm a I'm a little I'm a little surprised sometimes
that some of the emails that I get on this
h on this subject matter, and and then some of
(28:51):
the reading material that I have sent, I'm like, I'm
I'm not I'm not seeing this one. I got to
tell you, not seeing it this way, And I'm somebody
who like I said, we're picking and choosing vaccines for
speed based upon efficacy, based on what we think is
And I live in Florida. You know what we think
is a necessary or a better risk reward situation. I'm
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not just getting him everything. We're spacing things out. But
you know the I think the best way here is
the reasoned middle ground on some of these things. Call
me moderation very often is the key to all things
in life. One might consider if you had to choose,
moderation sometimes can make a good sense. Look, we hit
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I'll watch it all tomorrow college football. I'm gonna be
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Third Hour of Play and Buck kicks off right now.
Thanks so much for being with us. Everybody, appreciate all
of you listening to us here. And we're gonna dive
into a couple of stories. One is this boat, Well,
I guess we'll call it a kinetic strike on a
(32:14):
suspected NARCO vessel Narco terrorist vessel making its way through
the Caribbean to some trendshipment point to bring most likely fentanyl,
but could be cocaine, fentanyl, a whole bunch of different
things on that boat into the United States. And Pete Hegseth,
(32:35):
who's the Secretary of Defense and whom Clay and I
know personally pretty well. He spoke about this because there
is Look, there's just some facts that to be aware
of it. This is an escalation. We've never done this before,
so it is new. This is not business as usual
in fighting the cartels. We've never been in a position
(32:57):
where we've used a immediate lethal force on a non
immediate cartel or non immediate you know, drug trafficking threat.
Here is Secretary of Defense Hegseth speaking exactly about this
or inspecific about this situation. Plate twenty one. Legal authority
(33:17):
that depending on in both to strike that both full
of drug snuffles.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
We have the absolute and complete authority to conduct that.
First of all, just the defense of the American people alone.
One hundred thousand Americans were killed each year under the
previous administration because of an open border, an.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Open drug traffic flow.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
That is an assault on the American people.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
I said, we smoked the drug boat and there's eleven
narco terrace at the bottom of the ocean, and when
other people try to do that, they're going to beat
the same faith.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
What do you make of the clay?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think the question is how do we solve the
issue of fentanyl coming across our southern border in particular,
but also increasingly northern border. It's getting into the country.
The drug war has failed. I think most of you
out there recognize the drug war has failed. When I
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was younger, and I think you were in this camp bug,
my inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs,
we should spend less money fighting against it. But these
drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people
otherwise of good health are dying from them that I
don't think we can allow it into our country. One
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hundred thousand people a year, again overwhelmingly in their teens, twenties, thirties, forties,
people with decades of healthy life to go are dying
from these drugs. So what do we have to change.
We need a game changing element to truly alter things,
because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working now.
(34:54):
Securing the southern border is a huge part of this
we have now done that, it appears they're still in
a lot of fentanyl coming into the country. And I
talked about reading a big story from the New York
Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when
it comes to getting illegal drugs. I mean they have submarines,
they've had submarines for a long time to clay. They're
(35:16):
using drones, and they've been using drones at the border
for surveillance of our border patrol and even sometimes to
do drops. Yeah, and part of the problem. And you know,
I used to going back a long time ago, I
used to occasionally spend some time with the NYPD co
located with DEA. And obviously when you're sitting with DEA guys,
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what are you talk to them about drug cartel stuff?
Speaker 7 (35:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You know, they were there just in case we needed
them as a liaison during the counter terrorism work. But
the things that we would talk about, the sophistication of
the cartels was was extremely high. And one of the
problems you have is even as seizures go up, so
as you get more of the illegal drugs, it's a
supply and demand curve, so price street price can go
(36:02):
up so you have to, you know, to keep in
mind that if you were to if we were to
get one and or if we were to get rather
three out of four drug loads and take them out
of circulation, it's still probably be very profitable for the
cartels to do what they're doing. That's the problem is
that is that you have this very steep economic analysis.
(36:24):
I mean you you brought this up in the context
of if somebody thinks that they can feed their family
for a year, are they going to Are there going
to be people willing to risk twenty years in prison
to bring a few kilos of cocaine into this country
on a fast boat or you know, fentanyl, whatever it
may be. The answer is yes. And for the cartels,
even if there are seizures of cartel product, they can
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still make a whole lot of money if we were
to double the level of seizures. So this is the
challenge in trying to stop this stuff. It's there's a
lot of money to be made in this black market
for drugs, which obviously is killing a lot of America
pers well.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I think the question I have and I don't know
the answer, but I think it's a worthy one to
contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that is
filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple commands
to stop, by the way, so this was not completely
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without some sort of provocation.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Can I add add to this, Clay. I think it's
important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there
have been there's been a deployment of ten fighter jets
to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now that
hasn't been confirmed I think by the administration yet, but
that's what the report that I saw on Reuters is.
So the four they're now moving and for deploying more
(37:47):
assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes.
So to your point, we better really be clear on
is this something we have a constitutional that the president
has a constitutional and legal authority I mean those are
one of the same, but legal authority to do uh.
And what will the effects beyond on the war on drugs?
I will say this, people say the war on drugs
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is filled. This does change the calculation. I think you
pointed this. This is my point. Yeah, this is a
different It's a different thing to face getting blown up
with a hell fire missile or whatever it is. My
wife is pointing out also that we have According to her,
and she's kind of an expert on this from her
law training, she says, this is the first time that
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we have officially designated terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs
as terror organization, which changes the rules of engagement. Now
I'm quoting her, well, she's she's correct, and this is
when we remember. I think we talked to very high
level intel sources in this administration. Clay was there for
most of it. Unfortunately, when he showed up in flip
(38:52):
flops of the White House, they had to turn him away.
But I just want to get this legend started at
Clay was just like, yo, dude, I'm here for the
I'm here for the high level intels.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
You still don't have a real ID, and they would
not allow me in to meet with the directors of intelligence.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Keep We're gonna go back to the White House probably
like in the next few months. Can you please get
a real ID?
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
All right, I don't have to tell everybody. I'm gonna
have to tattle tail on you to everybody again. Get
a real ID, Clay. It's complicated. You have to make
these appointments I'm on the air for four hours every day.
It's not that easy to just in the middle part
of the day go get a real ID. I have
a passport. But my thing here, in addition to all
of this is does it change the calculus?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Every drug dealer and drug smuggler in America is going
to see that video?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
And I think, I don't think it's irrational.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Most people analyze risk reward in everything that we do
all day long, and one risk, clearly of being a
drug mule is you get caught and you go to
prison and you potentially have to serve time.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
To ask you an honest quest, and I don't because
I can't put myself in the in the mindset of
of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever
whatever you want to call them. Does spending twenty five
years in a US federal prison seem worse to them
than maybe just getting blown up and getting it all
done once I'm being you know, I don't know that that.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Could go either way. I think for some people, yeah,
I think it's a valid question. I think life risk
is different. So I don't know, first of all, none
of them, unless you're a drug mule listening right now,
and you want to call in and tell us the
drug mule thought process. As a rational person, my analysis
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of people who are drug smugglers is they see it
as a way to make relatively short period of time,
life changing money for both them and their family. And
if you are required to risk time and prison, you
at least know that at some point in time you
can return to your family. I bet the cartels I
(40:59):
don't know this, but I bet the cartels give good
payouts even if you get arrested. I bet they go
back and take care of your family. To try to
encourage people to continue to take care of this risk.
This is mighty depends on what I think. If you're
a mule, maybe not. But if you're somebody, if you're
like a sacario, you know, as somebody that's done really
nasty stuff off hotels, they may.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Do some of that. But Clay, I also think that
this is what I was going to say about the
Intel meetings and just the discussions that were going on
in the White House. We have an incredibly and I
saw this up firsthand, we have an incredibly sophisticated counter
terrorism and by that I just to get more specific,
our ability to track, surveil, and blow up al Qaeda
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style jihattis all over the world is pretty pretty incredible.
It has gotten to a point where the ability to
hit hvts in Yemen and Somalia, in Pakistani tribal areas,
and you name it is and there's a whole chain
of events that lead up to it, right I mean,
you know, finding these people, surveiling these people, the target set,
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having the whether it's drones or whatever it is, we're
sending it after them. It looks like this administration is
gearing up to use that very sophisticated counter terrorism infrastructure
and strike capability against the cartels who are now designated
as narco terrorists, as your wife rightly points out, and
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that is a whole new level of something for the
cartels to be considering.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I think getting blown up changes the calculus. That's my
ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because right now,
your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I guess your
worst case scenario is the cartel could become angry at
you and decide to kill you, which is why you
do your job. But I don't think you're anticipating that
your boat may get blown up, and so every narco
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terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video,
and I think it's going to set off a warm belt.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Here's the biggest problem, though. The reason why the drug.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Trade exists is because there's lots of money to be
made from the drug trade, and ultimately people respond to
incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the
biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost
of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds
the profit opportunity from the drug dealer, and that is
(43:27):
ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even
if we disagree with the choices that they're making.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I would also point out that in discussions that I
had with members of border patrol in years past, and
particularly under the Biden Free for all open Border years,
Clay the cartels at one point or at a certain
phase of this, when the border was just wide open
with the ten million coming in, we're making more, they
(43:55):
estimated on human smuggling than on drug smuggling. So that
means billions of dollars, billions and billions of dollars on
effectively controlling their side of the border. The Platza right
they break these up into territories and you have to pay.
And that's where the wristbands that I've seen the cartel
wristbands and giant piles on the ground, because if you
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don't have that ristband, I mean, they'll pull you aside
and execute you, right, I mean, you know, they'll do
terrible things to you. So you've got to have that
wristband the show that you paid. But Trump is shut
down that income stream. They're not coming into the country
anymore that way, which means that now they have a
greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking, which
is made substantially harder as well because the resources that
(44:38):
we're going to the humanitarian mission at the border, i e.
Taking in illegals making sure they're not you know, dying
of some disease or something like that, now that's all
focused on the So they have a higher need to
make money off the drug trade, and we have a
greater focus and resource on the drug trade. So you know,
this is a very different situation than was even eighteen
(45:01):
months ago in terms of what the cartels are facing.
And if we ramp up the strikes, the attacks and
the pressure on them, this this isn't this is a
new phase. That's all like, this is a we have
not seen something like this in a long time.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Let me also, I'm gonna say this every time we
have a discussion about drugs, you need to talk to
your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without even
understanding the drug that they're taking, so they can think
that they're taking a party drug. They can think, especially
go off to college, you're often you're in your twenties
in a college town, you're in a big city, and
(45:36):
you're off on your own. There are so many kids
that are dying of poisoning. They're not really dying of
overdosing because they're not they're not taking what they thought
they were taking. And you need to impress upon your
kids that the intermixing between these highly dangerous, deadly drugs
and the ones they think are party drugs, which are
(45:56):
they're gonna be fine from and they're just gonna have
a great time. It's ecstasy ishue, or it's cocaine, or
it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking.
They need to understand that there is a huge risk
and I but this is a sign of how crazy
it is people who are huge party drug people are
now using strips to check and see before they take
(46:17):
their party drugs, whether it's fentanyl or not. I don't
think there's a ton of college kids doing this. I
don't think that that's a die hard party drug person
who's doing that testing. But there are people basically dying
of poisoning, tens of thousands of them every single year.
Your kids need to know about this.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
We'll take your calls here coming up in a moment,
also again on some of your talkbacks, and we've got
Denche Desuza will be with us talking about his new movie,
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We like to cover the cultural angle of things here too,
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Welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. We are
joined by Denesh Desuza, author and filmmaker. His latest film,
The Dragons Prophecy documentary scheduled for release on October ninth,
and we wanted to talk to about it. Denish, I
believe today it's seven hundred days of war between Israel
and Gaza. This ties into your film. Tell us about
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the Dragon's Prophecy.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Well, the film is based on the idea that October
seventh is not an ordinary attack. It's a kind of
a biblical event in other words, just an event of
epical significance. And I think what the film does is
that it tries to raise the level of the current debate,
which is a little bit stuck. You know, on the
(49:14):
left you keep hearing colonialism, colonialism, genocide. Of course, on
the right you have a different type of critique that
is made of Israel. This film, what it does is
it exposes the conflict in the light of ancient biblical
battles between the Israelites and the Philistines. Now, very interestingly,
(49:36):
the word Philistine and pale and Palestinian are connected. They're
in fact the same name. And one of the things
we expose in the film is the way in which
the tactics of the Palestinians resemble the battles of the
ancient Philistine. So it's it's a very creepy idea that
the past is now back to haunt us in a
(49:58):
new way. But we're throwing a kind of new light
on these events, looking at it somewhat through the lens
of the Bible.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I was over there to Nash and I know some
people have had the opportunity to go visit the Kibbutz's
the Nova Music Festival location. I mean, it's really unbelievable,
I think to see in person and crystallizes what exactly happened.
I imagine you have some of that footage. I imagine that
(50:28):
you also have traveled to Israel. What did you find
when you have been to Israel itself? As part of
telling this story.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
First of all, we have October seventh footage that people
have literally never seen. The opening scene of the film
is so shocking that we have actually had some people
who get a bit squeamish about it. So there's a
little bit of a graphic violence warning. Because the weird
thing is after October seventh, the Israeli government made the
(50:57):
decision not to sort of release footage, even though some
of it had been live stream by Hamas. The Israeli
government said, basically, we're going to bring in small groups
of journalists, hoping that they're going to be fair and
well meaning. We'll show them the footage so that they
can then their eyes will be open, not realizing that
these journalists from the BBC, from AP, from Sky News,
(51:20):
very left wing, had no interest in taking a look
at any of this footage or seeing it significance at all.
So we begin the film basically by putting you right
there in October seventh. Then we take you to the
kibbutz's and we interview survivors just a couple of them,
But again, the stories are so haunting their first person,
they're people who saw it with their own eyes. Because
(51:43):
I think you can't discuss the war now without reference
to a the events of October seventh, then second, understanding
the significance of those events.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, sorry, speaking of Nash the SuDS, I was going
to build on that. You mentioned the response on the
right where some people are angry at Israel's response to Hamas.
I don't think it surprises people necessarily that the left
in many ways has taken the side of the Palestinians
because they see them as brown, they see them as
(52:16):
the colonized, they see Israel as the colonizer. It is
a bastardized version of history that they're applying. But what
do you think about the anti Israel element of the
right that now exists as well? What would you tell
that those individuals.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
Well, first of all, I would tell them I can
kind of understand where they're coming from. Where they're coming
from is that, you know, the United States has gotten
involved in a lot of foreign entanglements and it's generally
worked out pretty badly, at least in the last quarter century.
Iraq Of course, a lot of these same conservatives are
against the Ukraine War, so they're basically saying, well, why
(52:53):
should we be for Israel, and you know, an indifference
to what's happening in Ukraine. Either we're in or out.
The second thing that they have is this concern that
somehow the Israeli tail is wagging the American dog. Now again,
on the face of it, this is a little absurd, right.
You have a country of what ten or twelve million people,
(53:14):
It's got a gross national product a tiny fraction of
the US. It's the size of New Jersey. It doesn't
have anything like the weaponry we do. So how this
little mosquito can somehow control the elephant is itself like baffling, right,
doesn't make any sense. When I debated this with Nick
fluente Is a few months ago, I told him if
the Jews could truly control America, maybe they are the
(53:37):
master race. You know, I was being sarcastic, but the
point being that the shoe that was raised I think
legitimately by Tucker Carlson in his discussion with Ted Cruz
is he said, are the Jews of today like Nedan
Yahu's Jews? The true descendants of the ancient Israelite. This
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is a topic that is completly settled in the movie,
and we do it essentially through biblical archaeology, so we
kind of take you into the archaeological digs. Part of
it is, if I'm giving a biblical analysis of what's
going on, I want to consider the skeptical question, how
do we know the Bible is even true? How do
we know that the historical events described in the Bible
(54:21):
are even valid? Was there really a King David? Was
there really an Isaiah and a Jeremiah? And this is
an element that is shown in the movie, and it's
a very fascinating part of the puzzle.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Speaking to Denish Suza and we're talking about his movie
that's come out, and Denesh, why is it that the
way this issue lines up is right after the October
seventh events, And I mean right after, within certainly a
few days, if not ours. You had people whom you
(54:55):
would expect on the left and in the Democrat party
saying we need to cease fire, which to me and
Clay and I said this repeatedly the show. Right away,
this would have been like saying right after the towers
had come down, because of the mass casualty terror attack
on nine to eleven in this country, we need to
cease fire with al Qaeda, Like now's the time to
(55:16):
really just hold back and have it. It seemed crazy
and in the most obvious bad faith. Where does the
left get this? Like why is the left dug in
on the side of Hamas and against Israel and the
Jewish people in this country?
Speaker 4 (55:34):
The left in a way accepts the premise of the
radical Muslims that Israel is the little Satan and America
is the great Satan. So when they start from that premise,
that's as starting out premise they consider Israel to be
an illegitimate occupier of that land. I think, how crazy
(55:54):
this is? Right, the Jews have been there for four
thousand years since the days of Abraham. Sure they went
into a diaspora, but not of their own choosing. If
the Jews are packed up and left, I'd understand people
would say, well, you chose to leave, But they were
pushed out, kicked out, burned out, so they fled and
then they returned to their native homeland. So I think that.
(56:18):
I think that, and then if you look at the
example of America, you gave the example of nine to eleven.
But you could look at Pearl Harbor, you could look
at Germany. Imagine if we were to say, after Pearl Harbor, listen,
there were only a few thousand Americans killed in Pearl Harbor.
Why did the United States have to go to Japan
and draw up atomic bombs and was contemplating an invasion
of Japan? How can you justify so many more Japanese
(56:42):
civilian casualties compared to the relatively low number of civilian casualties.
All of this is just like nonsense because basically Japan
started it an unprovoked attack. You know, It's almost like
if you or I have a home invasion and the
guy comes in and he murders your wife, he rapes
your daughter, he kills your kids. He runs away, You
(57:04):
chase him, You grab your gun and chase him. He
gets into his car, but then he comes up with
his own wife and kids, sticks them in front of him,
and he basically goes, you can't shoot because you're going
to have civilian casualties. And you have to say to
that guy, well, listen, you are the one putting your
wife and family in danger. I'm not aiming at your wife,
(57:25):
I'm aiming at you, and deservedly so, and so you're
using your own family as a human shield. So I
think that in a way captures for me the kind
of moral analysis to apply here. And that's why I
find the kind of right wing critique of Israel in
some ways very baffling, although I try very fair mindedly
(57:45):
to engage it in the film.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
What is the end result here? I mean, Hamas still
has seven hundred days coming up on the two year anniversary.
Hamas still has over twenty or twenty ish. I believe hostages,
including unfortunately likely dead bodies that they're holding on to.
Is there hope in your mind for peace in the
Middle East. Trump has now been in office for a while.
(58:12):
There's been lots of talk about ceasefires and what some
sort of resolution for this process.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
Looks like.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Israel's been at war for nearly two years now. There's
big fights inside of Israel over whether the supremely religious
Orthodox Jews should be called up to fight because they
have mobilized so many troops, men and women to fight.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
How does this end? What should be the conclusion?
Speaker 4 (58:36):
I will say that if the Bible is correct, this
problem fundamentally will not be solved, and by that I
mean that it will remain a festering sore. And that's
really odd, right, because the India Pakistan isshue flares up,
but then it's swimmers down. The Northern Ireland conflict has
gone away. But somehow, in all my adult lifetime, you've
(58:56):
had American presidents marching over there with one peace plan
after another, from Carter to Clinton. This stuff never gets
sort of permanently fixed. Now, having been having said that,
I think that Trump's idea, which is ultimately to fight
this kind of deep you can call it, you know,
this jihadi enmity and replace it with sort of commercial prosperity,
(59:21):
in other words, replace it with washing machines and small
apartments and everybody gets their job. And the idea of
maybe having an administrative authority that's made up of the
other Arab countries in conjunction with the United States, so
in other words, you've got Egyptians and Saudi's and Jordanians
kind of watching over Gaza. This is a kind of
(59:42):
ingenious idea. To my knowledge, it's never been not only tried,
it's never been contemplated this way before. So I think
Steve Witcoff. The envoy maybe onto something, and it's possible
that we're going to see progress, But are we going
to see an ultimate solution? I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
D Nash.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
We appreciate the time. We encourage people to go check
out the movie, and we hope you have a fantastic weekend.
The film's website is The Dragonsprophecy dot com uh, and
it will also have limited theater The.
Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Dragons prophecyfilm dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Ah, sorry the drag Yeah, I didn't read enough of
the link here The Dragons prophecyfilm dot Com.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
We appreciate the time.
Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Thank you.
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Welcome everybody to the Friday edition of the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. We are racked and stacked on
this Friday. That's right. It is time, my friends, to
dive into all of it. It is September, so no
more afternoon nap time because it's summer. Everybody. We got
a nation to save, we got a world to solve.
(00:20):
We got things to do, and we're doing it right now.
Florida Surgeon General, Joseph doctor, real doctor, not a Joe
Biden doctor, Doctor Joseph Ladipae, will be with us talk
about Florida's vaccine mandate situation. It's a little more complicated
than someone with the headline suggests. We want to hear
from the man himself, doctor Latipo, Florida Surgeon General, and
(00:43):
I think somebody that you may very well see somewhere
in the Trump administration over the course of the four years.
We'll see if we can ask them about that. Our
buddy Denis Desuza has another film, that Dragon's Prophecy. He'll
talk to us about that in the third hour. Remember
yesterday I said they'll make good films anymore. Well, well,
there are some independent films conservative filmmakers out there are
(01:04):
doing cool stuff. So we'll talk to Denesh about his
movie just in the realm of We got to cover
it because it's out and news today. Not a whole
lot to say about it. You got hiring stalled, uish
economy out of twenty two thousand jobs in August, a
little bit of a summer slow down, but no big deal.
(01:24):
Don't panic. It's all gonna be fine. No pannikins, Clay allowed.
We have a no Panikins policy. I might have to
get a no panicins sign whenever we talk about the economy.
You surely don't panic. Mister Clay over there telling everybody
when the market was getting shell ACKed earlier this year,
don't don't run for the lifeboats, stay on the icon
of the seas or whatever your preferred vessel is, and
(01:47):
you'll be fine. So Clay, do you do you see
any I got something else we're going to dive into
in a second, but just your quick reaction to jobs report.
Where the economy is heading right now, how it's all looking.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Jerome was laid again and they're going to cut rates
in September. He was wrong in allowing the overall in
the overall inflation rate to get to nine point one,
sorry one percent during Biden. And I think the biggest
issue that Trump faces in terms of sort of vibe
for lack of a better way to describe it, is
(02:22):
people are still angry because prices went up so fast
under Biden. I mean to me, that is a lot
of people are out there and they're saying, well, prices
haven't come back down, and I think the challenge is
prices never come back down.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
This is the pernicious nature of inflation. Once prices go up,
they are inflated, and the new normal becomes whatever those
prices are. The best you can do is try to
get back to normalcy. And we are back to normalcy.
But trust me, I've been saying this for years. Every
time I go through a fast food restaurant drive through
(02:59):
with my kids, Chick fil A is usually our preferred place.
The amount of money that it costs me makes me
shake my head. It doesn't feel right, and people have
sort of internal calculators in their head for what something
should cost. Coffee in the morning, a trip to a
fast food restaurant with your kids, a pizza, and all
(03:20):
of it is wildly out of sorts. With what it
should have been if Biden hadn't gotten elected and screwed
up everything. So I think there's a lingering hangover effect,
for lack of a better way of describing it, for
the massive run up and inflation that we saw, and
it's going to take years for people to recognize that
things start to feel normal again.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Does that make sense? And so I think that's going
to be going on. Even if what you say, and
I think what you say on this is correct, even
if it's economically true, it can still be politically a problem. Right.
It is Trump's economy now, So the Democrats are going
to try to pounce on this. They don't care that Biden.
It's like blaming that like Republicans are good blame when
(04:02):
the debts thirty seven trillion dollars, but when it was
thirty six point five trillion, Democrats had no problem.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I mean, there's going to be some of that gamesmanship
going on here. But bottom line is, I think the
economy is still very strong, going to better places, and
I am I am optimistic. Although I will say we
didn't discuss this. The Trump team looking at tariffs, or
rather the Supreme Court is supposed to look at tariff's.
Trump team had an appeals decision that went against them,
and now there's the possibility that this tariff stuff may
(04:30):
be undone by judges saying the president doesn't have the authority.
That's a mess. That's a mess. So I don't know
what that's going to do. But this is in the
are we really we really want to see what happens
if almost a trillion dollars in collected money, what are
we going to give it back to these countries? It's crazy.
So we'll see two other stories, by the way, that
are high up on the radar for US, just to
(04:52):
put a pin in them. The mayor of DC, it's
like I told you all from the beginning, kind of
likes Trump's crime crackdown, kind of likes it. We got
a story on that, want to scoop on that. And
the US is deploying ten fire jets jets to Puerto Rico,
I think to maybe blow up more cartel drug ships,
(05:13):
which is uh, they're serious about this, And Pete Heggs
at the Secretary of Defense spoke directly about it, but
Clay had had to go to this one. We had
quite a robust discussion yesterday about Malcolm Gladwell, and we
discussed that he has come out and said and he
admitted that he was too cowardly to say the truth.
That's not saying that he believed it and now has
(05:34):
learned more new facts of facts have come in. He
just said, look, I'm too much of a I was
too much of a wimp about trans men competing against
women in sports. And I said to you, well, do
we give credit, Clay or do we have to look
at this as pure opportunism? Right? JK. Rowling, who you
and I both hold in high regard. The Harry Potter
author wrote this about the situation. I want to get
(05:57):
Clay's reaction. Gladwell's career wouldn't have been destroyed if he
spoke out against the glaring unfairness, not to mention dangers
of allowing men to compete in women's sports. He'd have
faced the loss of approval from the cultural elite and
received activist blowback, and even that wouldn't have come with
the tsunami of death and rape threats women face when
they speak out. Non famous people, mostly women, girls and
(06:20):
gay people, have genuinely had their careers and lives destroyed
for saying what Gladwell was too pusillanimous to say, and
he didn't lift a finger in their defense. She goes
on and on. He hasn't changed. He merely sends to
shift in what is acceptable to say and feels safe
to align himself with a new consensus excusing his previous behavior.
(06:44):
He isn't an ally, He's a weather vein clay off
the top rope.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We talked about this, I believe with Vin Shapiro and
I think one of the most challenging things out there
is when do you get grace and when do you not?
And I love JK Rowling because, as we said and
have said for some time, she had no reason to
(07:12):
need to do this. She is publishing royalty she could
have after she wrote the Harry Potter books, which are fantastic.
My ten year old is reading them now. I bet
a lot of your kids and grandkids may have not
been readers, and if they do become readers later in life,
it's often because you get them started at an early
(07:33):
age with the gift of learning what books can bring
to their lives. And you and I were both huge
readers at young ages. I would say, if I can
give any advice on education at all, it's get your
kids to read. I think it's going to become even
more important in an AI era, where having the ability
(07:54):
to distinguish truth from fiction and real from fake is
going to become maybe the most important skill set that
a child can have and that a young adult can have.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And I would say that exists. Now.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Look, I live to this, and all I can tell
you is, I don't think the full story on the
power of the left to take over advertising marketing and
recognize it as a area that they can control and
dominate all this discourses. It's a cultural and economic choke point,
(08:29):
a huge one. I don't think most people will even
still understand it. And so I live this. I told
you guys, I was I had a.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Multi million fan and you would think would be about
beer drinking sports fans, but apparently they're about transgender guys,
you know, smashing volleyballs in the girl's faces. But Clay,
what do you think about this assessment from J K.
Rowling because she kind of she kind of ripped Gladwell's
face off with this one. Let's be honest. I mean,
she went she went for the juggular. Here she was
(08:59):
not and around well.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I think it's particularly interesting because I would see them
as in many ways contemporaries, by which I mean I
would bet JK. Rowing is basically the best selling fiction
author of her generation.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I think she's the first author billionaire from actual works
created as an author. I think she is that has
that title, and I would submit, you, said Michael Lewis.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But I would bet Malcolm Gladwell has sold more copies
of nonfiction books than almost anybody of his generation. Certainly
he's worth I would bet hundreds of millions of dollars
because of his books. When I read this you sent
it to me this morning, I hadn't seen it yet.
It actually to me read as she knows that he's
(09:41):
a fraud on a personal level.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yes, yes, we been talking about this beforehand, but I
think she knows stuff. Go ahead, so I just thunder.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You're right when when sometimes if you see a particular
venom from people in public life, it's because Hey, I'm
not going there fully about what I know about you,
but I'm not going to give you grace because I
know you're full of it. I've never met Malcolm Gladwell.
I have no relationship with him. I have no knowledge
of him on a personal level. I've enjoyed several of
(10:13):
his books, that's my full scope. I've never met JK.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Rowling.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I don't know anything about her. I find it hard
to believe that the two of them, given their prominence
in the writing communities, would not have cross paths and
or be in some way knowledgeable of each other's personal
as well as professional wives. And so this feels to
me like she knows or has felt for some time
(10:37):
that he's a fraud, different in public than in private,
because it's such a takedown.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
To me.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It doesn't read as someone just has a different political
opinion than me. It reads as this guy's a total
fraud who is truly a weather vein, and you can't
trust him, and she's basically coming after him for that reason.
So I think it's bigger than the disagreement, right, And.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So that the thing that I totally agree with here
in your assessment is that she was on a panel
or saw him with someone on a panel. I mean,
I even saw Matt Tayibe, who was a man solidly
of the left as a writer, but because he has
approached things with some journalistic objectivity and honesty. He has
(11:24):
found himself in agreement with the right more and more,
a little bit like Glenn Greenwald for example. Like Glenn
is I completely disagree with him on some things, Israel
being one of them. But when you talk about First
Amendment and free speech stuff and government transparency, he agrees
with a lot of people on the right about a
lot of stuff and the deep state. But Tayeebee also
(11:45):
went after Gladwell, which I thought was interesting for basically
calling Matt Tayebe a racist. So the knives are out
a bit here. It was interesting to see. By the way,
to your point, I checked this out. Michael Lewis has
sold about ten million copies, which is for an author, unbelievable.
That's a lot. Gladwell has sold almost twenty five million,
(12:09):
so a lot. The guys sold a lot of books. Yeah,
so do.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
You get me?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
They definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And by the way, sometimes this stuff happens behind the
scenes where whatever you think about both you and me,
I've never been an anonymous source like I tell you
basically for better or words, exactly what I think. Yeah,
there are people like and I'm saying I don't think JK.
Rowling is tiptoeing up to anything. I think she's saying
(12:36):
exactly what she believes to be true. Sometimes people like
Gladwell are very political behind the scenes and they're pulling
levers and they're trying to say.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh, I didn't have any idea that was going to happen. Really,
everybody knows these people who are.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
They present one way face to face, but then you
find out you've been getting stabbed in the back by
them secretly sort of.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
In the it's called working in the media. It's called
working in the media.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yes, So to me, I read this and I thought,
she's not giving him grace because she knows he is
unworthy of receiving grace. And uh and so I read that,
and I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A JK.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Rowley, I never would have expected that a British lady
who wrote books about sorcerers and wizards and you know,
child children's fantasy would ever be the savage that she
is in the world of of of of consumer culture
and political opinion. But my goodness, I love her. I'd
(13:34):
love to meet her at some pome you have her
on the show. I think that would be amazing. We'll
reach out. I mean, she's a billionaire, so her time
is probably pretty valuable. We'll try, but I.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Would say, thinking Drum's a billionaire, he calls any anx outles,
so maybe maybe JK, we'll call in. I would say,
though she sees what this brain virus which and I
don't mean just transgenderism, I mean the brain virus of
of forced lying and forced falsification in society. She sees
(14:03):
what it's doing to the UK, and I think it
makes her deeply sad for her home country because it's
winning over there. You see, it's a different context. Everyone here,
we still are on the air. Trump is in charge,
Conservatism is ascendant right now, or the right. Let's just
say the right is ascendant in this country in this moment.
In the UK, it's turning into a route, a route
(14:26):
against free speech, a route against secure borders, a route
against basic truth. And I think she's very concerned because
she sees that that's happening. I think that's one hundred
percent right.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And honestly, if you read her books, which I have
and which I would encourage you to buy for your
kids and grandkids, much of the book honestly is focused
with what happens when freedom of speech vanishes when the
media can't be trusted. I mean, if you read this
in the context in which she is living in England.
She addressed this as part of her books in a
(14:59):
fairly substantial away.
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Speaker 2 (16:07):
And a lot of discussion coming out of RFK Junior's
testimony yesterday, and I thought that jd Vance actually did
a really good job of contextualizing what is and is
not considered science, and I wanted to play this. This
is a flashback to November of twenty twenty four. This
is an assistant HHS Secretary, Rachel Levine. What was this
(16:31):
guy's name, the Admiral? What was his real name before
changing himself to Rachel? Don't you expect me to dead
name on this program, sir?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I am leading you over the middle to dead name.
I don't know. I actually can't remember otherwise, but I
felt like that was a good plan be there, right, like, yeah,
let me look up.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I actually want to make sure that we know what
Levine's real name is, Admiral Levine. I'm typing it in
right now, in real time and you even look at
up Rachel Levine. It doesn't even I mean, this is
just how crazy it is when you type this in
that they won't even tell you what his original name was.
He was married, he had two kids, and then decided, oh,
(17:14):
wait a minute, I'm a chick and just started walking
around in a women's navy uniform. And everybody's just supposed
to accept that that's real. And here he is saying, hey, Richard,
Richard Levine, Dick Levine. Ironically, enough, there you go. This
(17:34):
is a suicide prevention care. This is just so nasty
that they did this, and this is why I think
it's important to continue to reemphasize it.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
They prayed on the love of so many.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Parents out there, and they said, if your kid, they
would say this all the time, do you want a
dead daughter or a live son or vice versa. They
made you believe that you were going to cause your
kids suicide. If you didn't give them puberty blockers, if
you didn't give them the ability to chop off their genitals,
(18:09):
you were going to kill them. This is what they
were saying as recently as November of twenty twenty four.
When they say, oh RFK junior. He's anti science. Remember
what they were saying. This was someone they put in
power cut thirteen.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
What would you.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Say to folks who think that they're being reasonable by saying,
why can't children just wait till they're eighteen?
Speaker 5 (18:32):
The adolescence is hard and puberty is hard. What if
you're going through the wrong puberty? What if you inside
feel that you are female, but now you're going through
a male puberty.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
The argument is, well, they're too young to know.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
I want to make it clear that for pre pubertal
children there are no medical procedures done. The extendard of
care allows them to explore that with therapy. Well, gender
firming care is medical care. Ender firming care is mental
health care. Gender firmic care is literally suicide prevention care.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Okay, literally suicide prevention care. I mean, all of this
is crazy and.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Also ignores the very clear data which shows that mental
health outcomes for people who go through transition processes when
they look at them over a longer horizon are incredibly negative.
And it also doesn't address why do they call it
gender affirming care? How is it therapy if the assumption
(19:32):
when you go and walk through the doors is oh,
you're having these questions. Do they ever say, Clay, you
think in these gender affirming sessions, you know, maybe you're
just going through some stuff and you're gonna wake up
in a few months and realize you're actually a dude
and things happen to people and it's okay, and you're
going to get back on track here. No, it's how
do we get you to change your name, grow your hair,
(19:54):
and tell everybody you're a chick as fast as possible.
That's what happens. Does anyone doubt that for one second?
By the way, this is one of the unfortunate side effects.
I know we have some conservative psychiatrists who listened to
the show because they was right in when I say
this psychiatry is by far the most left wing medical
specialization in this country. By far, psychiatry and the District
(20:15):
of Columbia have pretty much the same politics and political affiliation. Yes,
and to your point, that's actually a lie that he
was telling too, because we know that there were thousands
of kids that were actually having top surgery bottom surgery
(20:36):
when they were miners. And this is why I think
in the years ahead, you're going to see so many
plaintiff lawyers filing lawsuits because most kids are a little
bit uncomfortable as they are going through puberty, regardless of
whether their boys or girls. It is a really challenging
time for almost all kids. I mean, your body changes
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in real time.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
And there's an ad out I give credit to Jennifer
Say and her xxx Y company, which is just basically saying, hey,
men and women are different. I was watching an ad
that she had that she posted, which is saying, hey,
here's a shout out to all the tomboys, how many
of you out there that are listening to us right now?
(21:23):
When you were eleven, twelve, thirteen years old, girls thought, oh,
I want to run around with the boys. Oh I'm
I'm just a boy. I just like hanging out with
the boys more than I do the girls. And then
Huberty hits and maybe you're a little bit uncomfortable with
the idea of how much your body's changing compared to
the boys that you may have been running around with before.
(21:45):
And then you go to a doctor and he says, well,
what's really going on is not You're just a little
bit uncomfortable. Because transitions to adolescents are challenging for kids, everywhere.
It's that you are really a boy, and we need
to the fact that you are a boy, and we're
gonna pump you full of all sorts of hormones to
(22:06):
try to keep your natural body from turning you into
a growing young woman, and instead we're gonna stilt your development.
I mean, this is can I just also barbaric. It
is barbaric that this was allowed to occur.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, and there are a lot of people who have
have done very bad things here in the name of health, healthcare, science,
civil rights even. I mean, they've really made this a
cause on the left and they have gotten many people
involved in it. Here's a part of the problem. Clay yesterday,
I think we really focused on the lying dynamic, which
(22:43):
is at the center of this whole thing. You have
to lie about this stuff. You have to lie, you
have to you have to be who is the physicist
who went on, uh, Neil de grass Neil de grass
Tyson that you have to be Niel the grass Tyson,
who's an astrophysicist who when asked who men have an
generally speaking, do men have an advantage over women in
(23:03):
athletic competition? He's like, oh, I have no idea, Sir,
I've never even considered you have to lie. So we
have to go Ladwell, you have to go to Gladwell.
Oh I like that as a very you gotta godwell,
that's tugh. You know who would give you a high
five for that? JK. Rowling, who should now probably come
on the program sometime. Plus you say that her books
are better. You say her books are better than C. S. Lewis,
(23:24):
So like you're really you're really buttering up rallying from afar. Okay,
But Clay, the other part of this is, and this
is also goes to the lie, but it goes to
the science, which is that you cannot become a woman.
I imagine if it were possible to do this, it
would be an interesting ethical discussion on its own right.
(23:45):
If you could give somebody cross sex hormones and truly
transform them into something that is physically indistinguishable from a woman.
There would still be this whole like should you do that?
What are the of doing that? But that's not even
what we're talking about. These people who are given the
cross sex hormones and the surgeries never actually passes women.
(24:11):
They do not come across to the broader society as women.
And I've had this debate of people say, oh, well,
you know some like some guys on dating sites will
swipe right at them. It's like, well, because if you
can use filters, and you can you can cheat in
a photo. In person, you always know they never come
across as women. So there's a lie that's at the
(24:32):
heart of all this. The whole notion of gender affirmation
skips the fact that the transition never works. And if
and if it's not about the physical transition, why go
through the process in the first place. If it's an
emotional state that must be respected, why do this? You know,
the snip and the change and the and the tuck
and all these things that go on. If it's not
(24:55):
about the physical change, Well, the physical change is always insufficient.
And that's part of this that never gets discussed. You
cannot actually transition, it does not exist. So that is a.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Lie also a lie basically everything they told us during COVID.
So then how do you expect And this is the
big question that I asked, I think doctor Sapphire. The
challenge that I think we face now is when you
have been lied to to such an extent by public
health experts when they told you take your mask off
(25:31):
when you sit down in a restaurant. You can eat,
but you have to leave your mask on when you
walk in and check in at the counter, and then
magically you sit down and it's fine. When they told
you that you could not go outside at all, and
then George Floyd happens, and they suddenly say, actually, it's
imperative that you go out and join hundreds of thousands
(25:54):
of people in march in close unison in the streets
to protest against systemic racism. How in the world can
you trust anything that public health authorities are saying now?
And I think that is well. I ask doctor Latipo
about this in a moment. But that's why I've got
RFK Junior's back. I don't presume that he's right on everything.
I don't presume that anybody's right on everything, but I'm
(26:18):
willing to listen to him because he correctly diagnosed much
of the wrong decisions that were being made in COVID,
and so I find it somewhat We were talking about
this a little bit yesterday. Why do kids today get
twice as many vaccinations as you and I got when
we were babies.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
That seems like a question that's very legitimate to ask.
And by the way, lots of vaccinations are good. We
should stop polio from happening. That's a good thing, right,
we should stop we should stop things that can kill baby.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Vaccines are and I'm excited for all the emails on this.
I'm not saying all vaccines today, but vaccines as a
general medical breakthrough have probably and I'm taking this back
now two hundred years, have probably saved more human lives
than any other medical advance in history. Just now, that
(27:15):
doesn't mean that every that you need seventy vaccines for
your kids today, but it just we got to keep
it in perspective. There are vaccines, there have been vaccines
we want to keep everybody from getting. We are decidedly
anti smallpox on them, like plays anti murder at polio.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
There are a lot of things that it's very good
that do not exist. But I do think it's fair
to say, is it appropriate to give every kid twice
as many vaccinine vaccine doses today as their average kid
got into any when I was a baby. We'll talk
to doctor Latipo about this, but I just think, for example, antibiotics.
(27:53):
Antibiotics as a general class of medication are incredible and
and if you have certain infections, the fact that antibiotics
exist are like a miracle. Now does that mean that
every time you have a cold and I've you know,
you should be taking like a Z packet? Is there
overuse of antibiotics? Are we creating antibiotic resistant bacteria with ato? Yes,
(28:17):
there are problems, but that's a different thing than just
saying I'm opposed to antibiotics right, or that I think
antibiotics don't have a place in the modern medical tool kit.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So I just we got to keep it in perspective.
You're there are there are some good vaccines, and there
are some worthless and bad vaccines, and there are some
vaccines that have been more dangerous than they were worth.
And all this stuff is true, but it's not a
I'm a I'm a little I'm a little surprised sometimes
that some of the emails that I get on this
h on this subject matter, and and then some of
(28:51):
the reading material that I have sent, I'm like, I'm
I'm not I'm not seeing this one. I got to
tell you, not seeing it this way, And I'm somebody
who like I said, we're picking and choosing vaccines for
speed based upon efficacy, based on what we think is
And I live in Florida. You know what we think
is a necessary or a better risk reward situation. I'm
(29:12):
not just getting him everything. We're spacing things out. But
you know the I think the best way here is
the reasoned middle ground on some of these things. Call
me moderation very often is the key to all things
in life. One might consider if you had to choose,
moderation sometimes can make a good sense. Look, we hit
(29:36):
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I'll watch it all tomorrow college football. I'm gonna be
on my couch at eleven am Central, and I'm probably
gonna watch games until eleven pm at least Central, twelve
hours off and on. I'll move, I'll get a workout in,
but for the most part, I will be watching college football.
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Third Hour of Play and Buck kicks off right now.
Thanks so much for being with us. Everybody, appreciate all
of you listening to us here. And we're gonna dive
into a couple of stories. One is this boat, Well,
I guess we'll call it a kinetic strike on a
(32:14):
suspected NARCO vessel Narco terrorist vessel making its way through
the Caribbean to some trendshipment point to bring most likely fentanyl,
but could be cocaine, fentanyl, a whole bunch of different
things on that boat into the United States. And Pete Hegseth,
(32:35):
who's the Secretary of Defense and whom Clay and I
know personally pretty well. He spoke about this because there
is Look, there's just some facts that to be aware
of it. This is an escalation. We've never done this before,
so it is new. This is not business as usual
in fighting the cartels. We've never been in a position
(32:57):
where we've used a immediate lethal force on a non
immediate cartel or non immediate you know, drug trafficking threat.
Here is Secretary of Defense Hegseth speaking exactly about this
or inspecific about this situation. Plate twenty one. Legal authority
(33:17):
that depending on in both to strike that both full
of drug snuffles.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
We have the absolute and complete authority to conduct that.
First of all, just the defense of the American people alone.
One hundred thousand Americans were killed each year under the
previous administration because of an open border, an.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Open drug traffic flow.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
That is an assault on the American people.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
I said, we smoked the drug boat and there's eleven
narco terrace at the bottom of the ocean, and when
other people try to do that, they're going to beat
the same faith.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
What do you make of the clay?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think the question is how do we solve the
issue of fentanyl coming across our southern border in particular,
but also increasingly northern border. It's getting into the country.
The drug war has failed. I think most of you
out there recognize the drug war has failed. When I
(34:09):
was younger, and I think you were in this camp bug,
my inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs,
we should spend less money fighting against it. But these
drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people
otherwise of good health are dying from them that I
don't think we can allow it into our country. One
(34:31):
hundred thousand people a year, again overwhelmingly in their teens, twenties, thirties, forties,
people with decades of healthy life to go are dying
from these drugs. So what do we have to change.
We need a game changing element to truly alter things,
because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working now.
(34:54):
Securing the southern border is a huge part of this
we have now done that, it appears they're still in
a lot of fentanyl coming into the country. And I
talked about reading a big story from the New York
Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when
it comes to getting illegal drugs. I mean they have submarines,
they've had submarines for a long time to clay. They're
(35:16):
using drones, and they've been using drones at the border
for surveillance of our border patrol and even sometimes to
do drops. Yeah, and part of the problem. And you know,
I used to going back a long time ago, I
used to occasionally spend some time with the NYPD co
located with DEA. And obviously when you're sitting with DEA guys,
(35:36):
what are you talk to them about drug cartel stuff?
Speaker 7 (35:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You know, they were there just in case we needed
them as a liaison during the counter terrorism work. But
the things that we would talk about, the sophistication of
the cartels was was extremely high. And one of the
problems you have is even as seizures go up, so
as you get more of the illegal drugs, it's a
supply and demand curve, so price street price can go
(36:02):
up so you have to, you know, to keep in
mind that if you were to if we were to
get one and or if we were to get rather
three out of four drug loads and take them out
of circulation, it's still probably be very profitable for the
cartels to do what they're doing. That's the problem is
that is that you have this very steep economic analysis.
(36:24):
I mean you you brought this up in the context
of if somebody thinks that they can feed their family
for a year, are they going to Are there going
to be people willing to risk twenty years in prison
to bring a few kilos of cocaine into this country
on a fast boat or you know, fentanyl, whatever it
may be. The answer is yes. And for the cartels,
even if there are seizures of cartel product, they can
(36:46):
still make a whole lot of money if we were
to double the level of seizures. So this is the
challenge in trying to stop this stuff. It's there's a
lot of money to be made in this black market
for drugs, which obviously is killing a lot of America
pers well.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I think the question I have and I don't know
the answer, but I think it's a worthy one to
contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that is
filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple commands
to stop, by the way, so this was not completely
(37:23):
without some sort of provocation.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Can I add add to this, Clay. I think it's
important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there
have been there's been a deployment of ten fighter jets
to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now that
hasn't been confirmed I think by the administration yet, but
that's what the report that I saw on Reuters is.
So the four they're now moving and for deploying more
(37:47):
assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes.
So to your point, we better really be clear on
is this something we have a constitutional that the president
has a constitutional and legal authority I mean those are
one of the same, but legal authority to do uh.
And what will the effects beyond on the war on drugs?
I will say this, people say the war on drugs
(38:09):
is filled. This does change the calculation. I think you
pointed this. This is my point. Yeah, this is a
different It's a different thing to face getting blown up
with a hell fire missile or whatever it is. My
wife is pointing out also that we have According to her,
and she's kind of an expert on this from her
law training, she says, this is the first time that
(38:30):
we have officially designated terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs
as terror organization, which changes the rules of engagement. Now
I'm quoting her, well, she's she's correct, and this is
when we remember. I think we talked to very high
level intel sources in this administration. Clay was there for
most of it. Unfortunately, when he showed up in flip
(38:52):
flops of the White House, they had to turn him away.
But I just want to get this legend started at
Clay was just like, yo, dude, I'm here for the
I'm here for the high level intels.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
You still don't have a real ID, and they would
not allow me in to meet with the directors of intelligence.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Keep We're gonna go back to the White House probably
like in the next few months. Can you please get
a real ID?
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
All right, I don't have to tell everybody. I'm gonna
have to tattle tail on you to everybody again. Get
a real ID, Clay. It's complicated. You have to make
these appointments I'm on the air for four hours every day.
It's not that easy to just in the middle part
of the day go get a real ID. I have
a passport. But my thing here, in addition to all
of this is does it change the calculus?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Every drug dealer and drug smuggler in America is going
to see that video?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
And I think, I don't think it's irrational.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Most people analyze risk reward in everything that we do
all day long, and one risk, clearly of being a
drug mule is you get caught and you go to
prison and you potentially have to serve time.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
To ask you an honest quest, and I don't because
I can't put myself in the in the mindset of
of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever
whatever you want to call them. Does spending twenty five
years in a US federal prison seem worse to them
than maybe just getting blown up and getting it all
done once I'm being you know, I don't know that that.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Could go either way. I think for some people, yeah,
I think it's a valid question. I think life risk
is different. So I don't know, first of all, none
of them, unless you're a drug mule listening right now,
and you want to call in and tell us the
drug mule thought process. As a rational person, my analysis
(40:38):
of people who are drug smugglers is they see it
as a way to make relatively short period of time,
life changing money for both them and their family. And
if you are required to risk time and prison, you
at least know that at some point in time you
can return to your family. I bet the cartels I
(40:59):
don't know this, but I bet the cartels give good
payouts even if you get arrested. I bet they go
back and take care of your family. To try to
encourage people to continue to take care of this risk.
This is mighty depends on what I think. If you're
a mule, maybe not. But if you're somebody, if you're
like a sacario, you know, as somebody that's done really
nasty stuff off hotels, they may.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Do some of that. But Clay, I also think that
this is what I was going to say about the
Intel meetings and just the discussions that were going on
in the White House. We have an incredibly and I
saw this up firsthand, we have an incredibly sophisticated counter
terrorism and by that I just to get more specific,
our ability to track, surveil, and blow up al Qaeda
(41:45):
style jihattis all over the world is pretty pretty incredible.
It has gotten to a point where the ability to
hit hvts in Yemen and Somalia, in Pakistani tribal areas,
and you name it is and there's a whole chain
of events that lead up to it, right I mean,
you know, finding these people, surveiling these people, the target set,
(42:07):
having the whether it's drones or whatever it is, we're
sending it after them. It looks like this administration is
gearing up to use that very sophisticated counter terrorism infrastructure
and strike capability against the cartels who are now designated
as narco terrorists, as your wife rightly points out, and
(42:27):
that is a whole new level of something for the
cartels to be considering.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I think getting blown up changes the calculus. That's my
ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because right now,
your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I guess your
worst case scenario is the cartel could become angry at
you and decide to kill you, which is why you
do your job. But I don't think you're anticipating that
your boat may get blown up, and so every narco
(42:55):
terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video,
and I think it's going to set off a warm belt.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Here's the biggest problem, though. The reason why the drug.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Trade exists is because there's lots of money to be
made from the drug trade, and ultimately people respond to
incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the
biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost
of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds
the profit opportunity from the drug dealer, and that is
(43:27):
ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even
if we disagree with the choices that they're making.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I would also point out that in discussions that I
had with members of border patrol in years past, and
particularly under the Biden Free for all open Border years,
Clay the cartels at one point or at a certain
phase of this, when the border was just wide open
with the ten million coming in, we're making more, they
(43:55):
estimated on human smuggling than on drug smuggling. So that
means billions of dollars, billions and billions of dollars on
effectively controlling their side of the border. The Platza right
they break these up into territories and you have to pay.
And that's where the wristbands that I've seen the cartel
wristbands and giant piles on the ground, because if you
(44:16):
don't have that ristband, I mean, they'll pull you aside
and execute you, right, I mean, you know, they'll do
terrible things to you. So you've got to have that
wristband the show that you paid. But Trump is shut
down that income stream. They're not coming into the country
anymore that way, which means that now they have a
greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking, which
is made substantially harder as well because the resources that
(44:38):
we're going to the humanitarian mission at the border, i e.
Taking in illegals making sure they're not you know, dying
of some disease or something like that, now that's all
focused on the So they have a higher need to
make money off the drug trade, and we have a
greater focus and resource on the drug trade. So you know,
this is a very different situation than was even eighteen
(45:01):
months ago in terms of what the cartels are facing.
And if we ramp up the strikes, the attacks and
the pressure on them, this this isn't this is a
new phase. That's all like, this is a we have
not seen something like this in a long time.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Let me also, I'm gonna say this every time we
have a discussion about drugs, you need to talk to
your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without even
understanding the drug that they're taking, so they can think
that they're taking a party drug. They can think, especially
go off to college, you're often you're in your twenties
in a college town, you're in a big city, and
(45:36):
you're off on your own. There are so many kids
that are dying of poisoning. They're not really dying of
overdosing because they're not they're not taking what they thought
they were taking. And you need to impress upon your
kids that the intermixing between these highly dangerous, deadly drugs
and the ones they think are party drugs, which are
(45:56):
they're gonna be fine from and they're just gonna have
a great time. It's ecstasy ishue, or it's cocaine, or
it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking.
They need to understand that there is a huge risk
and I but this is a sign of how crazy
it is people who are huge party drug people are
now using strips to check and see before they take
(46:17):
their party drugs, whether it's fentanyl or not. I don't
think there's a ton of college kids doing this. I
don't think that that's a die hard party drug person
who's doing that testing. But there are people basically dying
of poisoning, tens of thousands of them every single year.
Your kids need to know about this.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
We'll take your calls here coming up in a moment,
also again on some of your talkbacks, and we've got
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joined by Denesh Desuza, author and filmmaker. His latest film,
The Dragons Prophecy documentary scheduled for release on October ninth,
and we wanted to talk to about it. Denish, I
believe today it's seven hundred days of war between Israel
and Gaza. This ties into your film. Tell us about
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the Dragon's Prophecy.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Well, the film is based on the idea that October
seventh is not an ordinary attack. It's a kind of
a biblical event in other words, just an event of
epical significance. And I think what the film does is
that it tries to raise the level of the current debate,
which is a little bit stuck. You know, on the
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left you keep hearing colonialism, colonialism, genocide. Of course, on
the right you have a different type of critique that
is made of Israel. This film, what it does is
it exposes the conflict in the light of ancient biblical
battles between the Israelites and the Philistines. Now, very interestingly,
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the word Philistine and pale and Palestinian are connected. They're
in fact the same name. And one of the things
we expose in the film is the way in which
the tactics of the Palestinians resemble the battles of the
ancient Philistine. So it's it's a very creepy idea that
the past is now back to haunt us in a
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new way. But we're throwing a kind of new light
on these events, looking at it somewhat through the lens
of the Bible.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I was over there to Nash and I know some
people have had the opportunity to go visit the Kibbutz's
the Nova Music Festival location. I mean, it's really unbelievable,
I think to see in person and crystallizes what exactly happened.
I imagine you have some of that footage. I imagine that
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you also have traveled to Israel. What did you find
when you have been to Israel itself? As part of
telling this story.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
First of all, we have October seventh footage that people
have literally never seen. The opening scene of the film
is so shocking that we have actually had some people
who get a bit squeamish about it. So there's a
little bit of a graphic violence warning. Because the weird
thing is after October seventh, the Israeli government made the
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decision not to sort of release footage, even though some
of it had been live stream by Hamas. The Israeli
government said, basically, we're going to bring in small groups
of journalists, hoping that they're going to be fair and
well meaning. We'll show them the footage so that they
can then their eyes will be open, not realizing that
these journalists from the BBC, from AP, from Sky News,
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very left wing, had no interest in taking a look
at any of this footage or seeing it significance at all.
So we begin the film basically by putting you right
there in October seventh. Then we take you to the
kibbutz's and we interview survivors just a couple of them,
But again, the stories are so haunting their first person,
they're people who saw it with their own eyes. Because
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I think you can't discuss the war now without reference
to a the events of October seventh, then second, understanding
the significance of those events.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, sorry, speaking of Nash the SuDS, I was going
to build on that. You mentioned the response on the
right where some people are angry at Israel's response to Hamas.
I don't think it surprises people necessarily that the left
in many ways has taken the side of the Palestinians
because they see them as brown, they see them as
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the colonized, they see Israel as the colonizer. It is
a bastardized version of history that they're applying. But what
do you think about the anti Israel element of the
right that now exists as well? What would you tell
that those individuals.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
Well, first of all, I would tell them I can
kind of understand where they're coming from. Where they're coming
from is that, you know, the United States has gotten
involved in a lot of foreign entanglements and it's generally
worked out pretty badly, at least in the last quarter century.
Iraq Of course, a lot of these same conservatives are
against the Ukraine War, so they're basically saying, well, why
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should we be for Israel, and you know, an indifference
to what's happening in Ukraine. Either we're in or out.
The second thing that they have is this concern that
somehow the Israeli tail is wagging the American dog. Now again,
on the face of it, this is a little absurd, right.
You have a country of what ten or twelve million people,
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It's got a gross national product a tiny fraction of
the US. It's the size of New Jersey. It doesn't
have anything like the weaponry we do. So how this
little mosquito can somehow control the elephant is itself like baffling, right,
doesn't make any sense. When I debated this with Nick
fluente Is a few months ago, I told him if
the Jews could truly control America, maybe they are the
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master race. You know, I was being sarcastic, but the
point being that the shoe that was raised I think
legitimately by Tucker Carlson in his discussion with Ted Cruz
is he said, are the Jews of today like Nedan
Yahu's Jews? The true descendants of the ancient Israelite. This
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is a topic that is completly settled in the movie,
and we do it essentially through biblical archaeology, so we
kind of take you into the archaeological digs. Part of
it is, if I'm giving a biblical analysis of what's
going on, I want to consider the skeptical question, how
do we know the Bible is even true? How do
we know that the historical events described in the Bible
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are even valid? Was there really a King David? Was
there really an Isaiah and a Jeremiah? And this is
an element that is shown in the movie, and it's
a very fascinating part of the puzzle.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Speaking to Denish Suza and we're talking about his movie
that's come out, and Denesh, why is it that the
way this issue lines up is right after the October
seventh events, And I mean right after, within certainly a
few days, if not ours. You had people whom you
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would expect on the left and in the Democrat party
saying we need to cease fire, which to me and
Clay and I said this repeatedly the show. Right away,
this would have been like saying right after the towers
had come down, because of the mass casualty terror attack
on nine to eleven in this country, we need to
cease fire with al Qaeda, Like now's the time to
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really just hold back and have it. It seemed crazy
and in the most obvious bad faith. Where does the
left get this? Like why is the left dug in
on the side of Hamas and against Israel and the
Jewish people in this country?
Speaker 4 (55:34):
The left in a way accepts the premise of the
radical Muslims that Israel is the little Satan and America
is the great Satan. So when they start from that premise,
that's as starting out premise they consider Israel to be
an illegitimate occupier of that land. I think, how crazy
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this is? Right, the Jews have been there for four
thousand years since the days of Abraham. Sure they went
into a diaspora, but not of their own choosing. If
the Jews are packed up and left, I'd understand people
would say, well, you chose to leave, But they were
pushed out, kicked out, burned out, so they fled and
then they returned to their native homeland. So I think that.
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I think that, and then if you look at the
example of America, you gave the example of nine to eleven.
But you could look at Pearl Harbor, you could look
at Germany. Imagine if we were to say, after Pearl Harbor, listen,
there were only a few thousand Americans killed in Pearl Harbor.
Why did the United States have to go to Japan
and draw up atomic bombs and was contemplating an invasion
of Japan? How can you justify so many more Japanese
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civilian casualties compared to the relatively low number of civilian casualties.
All of this is just like nonsense because basically Japan
started it an unprovoked attack. You know, It's almost like
if you or I have a home invasion and the
guy comes in and he murders your wife, he rapes
your daughter, he kills your kids. He runs away, You
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chase him, You grab your gun and chase him. He
gets into his car, but then he comes up with
his own wife and kids, sticks them in front of him,
and he basically goes, you can't shoot because you're going
to have civilian casualties. And you have to say to
that guy, well, listen, you are the one putting your
wife and family in danger. I'm not aiming at your wife,
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I'm aiming at you, and deservedly so, and so you're
using your own family as a human shield. So I
think that in a way captures for me the kind
of moral analysis to apply here. And that's why I
find the kind of right wing critique of Israel in
some ways very baffling, although I try very fair mindedly
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to engage it in the film.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
What is the end result here? I mean, Hamas still
has seven hundred days coming up on the two year anniversary.
Hamas still has over twenty or twenty ish. I believe hostages,
including unfortunately likely dead bodies that they're holding on to.
Is there hope in your mind for peace in the
Middle East. Trump has now been in office for a while.
(58:12):
There's been lots of talk about ceasefires and what some
sort of resolution for this process.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
Looks like.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Israel's been at war for nearly two years now. There's
big fights inside of Israel over whether the supremely religious
Orthodox Jews should be called up to fight because they
have mobilized so many troops, men and women to fight.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
How does this end? What should be the conclusion?
Speaker 4 (58:36):
I will say that if the Bible is correct, this
problem fundamentally will not be solved, and by that I
mean that it will remain a festering sore. And that's
really odd, right, because the India Pakistan isshue flares up,
but then it's swimmers down. The Northern Ireland conflict has
gone away. But somehow, in all my adult lifetime, you've
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had American presidents marching over there with one peace plan
after another, from Carter to Clinton. This stuff never gets
sort of permanently fixed. Now, having been having said that,
I think that Trump's idea, which is ultimately to fight
this kind of deep you can call it, you know,
this jihadi enmity and replace it with sort of commercial prosperity,
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in other words, replace it with washing machines and small
apartments and everybody gets their job. And the idea of
maybe having an administrative authority that's made up of the
other Arab countries in conjunction with the United States, so
in other words, you've got Egyptians and Saudi's and Jordanians
kind of watching over Gaza. This is a kind of
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ingenious idea. To my knowledge, it's never been not only tried,
it's never been contemplated this way before. So I think
Steve Witcoff. The envoy maybe onto something, and it's possible
that we're going to see progress, But are we going
to see an ultimate solution? I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
D Nash.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
We appreciate the time. We encourage people to go check
out the movie, and we hope you have a fantastic weekend.
The film's website is The Dragonsprophecy dot com uh, and
it will also have limited theater The.
Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Dragons prophecyfilm dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Ah, sorry the drag Yeah, I didn't read enough of
the link here The Dragons prophecyfilm dot Com.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
We appreciate the time.
Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
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