September 9, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a hard-hitting analysis of several major stories dominating conservative media and public discourse. The hour opens with breaking international news: a targeted military strike in Qatar that eliminated top Hamas leaders allegedly responsible for orchestrating the October 7th terror attacks. This segment explores the geopolitical implications for the Middle East and U.S. foreign policy.
The bulk of the hour, however, centers on a deeply emotional and politically charged discussion about violent crime in America. Clay and Buck focus on two recent tragedies: the stabbing death of a 23-year-old Iryna Zarutska on public transit in Charlotte, North Carolina, and the murder of Julie Gard Schnuelle, a veterinary professor in Auburn, Alabama. Both crimes were committed by individuals with extensive criminal histories, raising questions about the failures of the criminal justice system, particularly regarding repeat offenders and lenient judges.
Using these cases as a springboard, the hosts dive into broader themes of media bias, racial crime statistics, and the perceived ideological failures of progressive criminal justice reform. They argue that mainstream outlets like The New York Times and CNN downplay or distort stories that challenge left-wing narratives, especially when the victims are white and the perpetrators are black. The show critiques the media’s tendency to frame such incidents as “political symbols” rather than national tragedies, and highlights the role of viral video footage in bypassing traditional media gatekeeping.
Clay and Buck also discuss the impact of George Soros-backed district attorneys, the erosion of accountability for judges, and the need for stricter sentencing laws such as “three strikes” policies. They emphasize that acknowledging statistical realities about violent crime is not racist, but necessary for effective policy solutions. The conversation includes calls from listeners, including a woman from North Carolina who shares her personal experience within the black community and challenges the mainstream narrative on racism.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we embark
on another day of true telling and what is often
a sea of anarchy and breakley lies. We're gonna update
you on a strike that has taken place inside of Katar,
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targeting Hamas leaders who had been running Hamas from there.
What the full impact is, we will dive into that
and what it means going forward in the Middle East. Again,
big story there. These were the Hamas leaders who helped
to set in motion the October seventh terror attack, and
(00:44):
this was again a very targeted strike against the absolute
top of Hamas inside of Katar. Now, there are a
lot of different angles to hit on this, and I
know you hit on a bunch of them yesterday, buck By.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I have been reading all.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Weekend long and into the start of the week all
about what happened in Charlotte where this young, innocent, twenty
three year old woman was stabbed in cold blood on
public transportation in Charlotte by an individual who'd been previously
arrested fourteen times. And I know you talked about this
(01:22):
sum yesterday, buck but my Twitter feed to my email
has been blown up from people talking about the veterinarian
in Auburn, Alabama, who was murdered also by another individual
that should have never been out on the streets. And
I know many of you out there have seen these stories,
(01:44):
but it's important to recognize that by and large, there
is no coverage of stories like these in the New
York Times, in the Washington Post, at CNN, MSNBC, they
mostly ignore it because it tells a story that they
do not want to address or even acknowledge in any way.
(02:05):
And in fact, when they do cover it, it's often
covered through the prism of oh, people on the right
are upset about this event, as if that is the
reason why it should be covered. And I know you
dove into this and we've talked about it a lot
on the program, but I don't think you can solve
major issues of violent crime in this country until we
(02:27):
have an actual conversation about where violent crime is coming from.
And overwhelmingly, violent crime in this country is clustered in
black neighborhoods, often involving young black men. That is a reality.
It makes people uncomfortable to even mention because oh, my goodness,
it's racist. In some way, and in fact, I want
(02:49):
to play this audio clip that I think is emblematic
of being fearful of actually addressing the issue at hand.
And this was from CNN where they talk about it
only in the context of well, some people online are
upset about this, And this is Brian Stelter on CNN
(03:09):
saying the Charlotte murder is just a political symbol, and unfortunately,
in his mind, many things that are being said online
are quote baldly racist.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So listen to cut two.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
This story has trickled up from from local news to
social media and now to the President's attention, and it's
being used, as you said, Brian, as a political symbol,
with MAGA media calling for more forceful punishments and more incarceration.
I have to say, some of the replies to musks,
some of the comments around this story are baldly racist,
stoking fear of African Americans because this man attacked a
(03:45):
white woman. The open racism on sites like x Today
it's eye popping. But there are also legitimate questions about
this so called career criminal, someone who had been a
repeat offender, and those questions I hope they're not lost
amid all of the cess pool kind of comments on
social media.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, I think this is an important conversation we should have, Buck,
and I know you talked about it some yesterday. It
is not racist to point out the race of someone
who commits a violent crime. Here is what Let me
just make it clear, because I think this is important
and I know you guys get it, but maybe in
your conversations you're nervous about having conversations about this because
(04:22):
you're afraid of being called racist.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Here is what is racist.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Being racist is saying, hey, you're going to commit a
crime because you are black, with no evidence whatsoever of
that being the case, right, That is racism.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It is not racist to.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Look at data and say, boy, of all the murders
that are being committed in America, the vast majority, if
you analyze it from a per capita basis, are being
committed by young black men, and we should have a
conversation about why that is, because the data actually reflects
that if young black men committed, for instance, rates of
(05:02):
violent crime at the same rate as white or Asian
young men do, we basically wouldn't have a violent crime
rate in the United States that is anywhere approaching what
we have here now right, I mean it would actually
be at least two or three times as safe of
a country if.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
You were to eliminate the just the disparity in the
black crime rate in this country. I believe we would be,
on a per capita basis, have fewer homicides than Canada.
So that gives you some sense of which has actually
I think had some crime problems in recent more recent years,
but there's a huge disparity by the numbers. But I
wanted to focus in on for a moment. Of course, Stelter,
(05:44):
who what did Tucker used.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
To call him? Like the village eunuch or something like this.
He had some phrase for him.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
That that was particularly Yeah, Brian Stelter is really a
perfect representation of like low tee liberal the future is feminine,
you know, the white male of the Democrat Party is
essentially comprised of first and foremost. And for him to
(06:12):
say that it raises questions. No, I don't think it
actually raises questions. We have the answers, Clay. Yeah, when
someone has been arrested fourteen times, when they've sexually assaulted
women or assaulted women, I think I should violently assaulted
women two times previously.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
This is somebody who needs to be taken.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Out of circulation for a while. And you want to
try rehab. You want to try to you know, to
bring Jesus into his life. You want to make him
a better person. Fine, do so in a facility also
known as a prison. That is the reality that we
have to deal with here. Okay, that is what has
to happen. The decision was made here over and over
(06:53):
again to let this individual continue to terrorize people. And
we have to ask why what is the mindset we're
going to have on a state senator from Is it
a state senator?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I think?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Thank you who represent this area from North Carolina represents
this area. We'll ask about what the processes are, if
there are any to hold judges accountable. It's very hard
in general. Clay could go into this at length. It's
very hard in general to hold judges accountable for anything. Uh,
you can. There's a process, but it's difficult. But we
should ask why did this judge decide to let this
(07:30):
guy go effectively unpunished. It's not like he just got
out of a twenty five year sentence and decided to reoffend.
I mean this guy was wandering around the streets and
was obviously a threat to people. So Clay, I just
I completely reject this. Oh, there are legitimate questions, you know, Stelzers,
the legitimate questions raised by the way the system may
(07:52):
have failed. No, this is actually the system giving the
product that the system wants to give, which is higher
crime rates, more to the general population, more risk to women,
more risk to minorities, disproportionately because it makes certain people
feel better about themselves because they think some of this
conversation is icky.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's the essence of it. A lot of people are
uncomfortable with acknowledging what the data shows. And to me,
you cannot address an issue until you objectively and rationally
examine it. And this is why I said the whole
BLM protest was focused on something that basically doesn't happen
very often. That is violent white attacks on black people
(08:38):
because of their race. It's almost non existent in the country.
Not say that it never happen, it's almost non existent.
In fact, if you go look at the data, the
number of white people that engage of violent acts against
black people is almost almost zero. And statistically it's also true, Clay,
we talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
It's also true that police killing or even using excessive
force against unarmed black men statistically.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Is very very rare. But isn't it fascinating, Clay?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
We can have one after another suicide bomber, all yelling
a lot huakbar, all from the same religious background, all
having similar profiles, and we're told that's not representative, that
doesn't count, there's no problem there. But then there'll be
one cop involved in one incident with whether it's George
Floyd or Mike Brown, and whole neighborhoods have to burn
(09:31):
down and everybody has to sit around and bend the
knee and beg forgiveness for the past wrongs.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
I have done nothing. I have done nothing racist.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I am not a part of any racist system, and
I absolutely reject all of that crap. And I think
people have just realized that's where you got to be
with this. You can't play the game anymore well.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And here is where I think the media often, very
often is incredibly flawed. And we talk about this, but
and I know many of you think about it, I
don't know that you really think about it on a
central level. Most of media today is anecdote, and I
think that is exacerbated by everybody having a cell phone,
and so any incident can go viral. To me an
(10:12):
honest media only covers anecdote when it is representative of
a larger issue that needs to be address.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
It should align with the data. But we see the
opposite where.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
They actually try to pretend the anecdote is the data
or representative of the data. This is why it is
a lie. It is a lie by statistics, or it
is a lie by the omission of reality.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And so if and you all know this, but if that,
if that had been a young black girl twenty three
year old sitting on that public transit in Charlotte and
a white guy had stabbed her in the throat, every
single television station in America would lead with it for
multiple days. We would all have to have national conversations.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You would blame Trumpers in it, by the way, they
would say, is this is what happens in Trump somewhere,
or they would take it right to Trump. You and
I know that, And so if you are not treating
this in a similar fashion, and by the way, all
of you out there in right wing land, although I
would submit it is just sanity Land, who are listening
(11:22):
to us right now. All of you would be immersed
in that story. You would not be able to avoid
it because right wing media would cover it too well.
The left basically doesn't cover this story. All of you
are aware of it. But I think it's important that
we have this conversation. Okay, we could just take calls
(11:42):
and we have before where we have black listeners to
this show who will just call in and say that
this is we are discussing the reality of the media's
treatment of these subjects. We could just take calls for
an hour from people listening right now to our audience
who are black, would say, yeah, the media is playing
games here. You know, it's the media that is doing
the misrepresentation. It's the media that is bringing these narratives
(12:06):
and the Democrat Party and all this stuff about structural
racism and everything else. They bring ideology into this. We
just want there to be less crime. We want everyone
to be safer. We want to do what is necessary
so that nobody black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Christian, Muslim.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Jew, no one's getting stabbed on the subway. That's actually
the goal here.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
And then we treat everyone as an individual, But treating
people as individuals also means viewing their right to be
safe walking down the street in their neighborhood as more
important than what your friends at the golf club. After
you're done with your MSNBC hit in Chevy Chase, think
about what you said on TV.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And objective data.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
If we are going to truly address violent crime, objective
data reflects that young black men in particular, overwhelmingly are
responsible for violent crime. So if we are going to
put more police on the streets, and if we are
going to address violent crime, that is going to lead
to more young black men being arrested. That's not racism. Again,
(13:12):
I think this kills the argument, but I think it's
one good one to put in your back pocket. It's
not sexism that men are arrested for around ninety five
percent of all violent crimes. It's because men are more
violent as a group than women are. Okay, So I
think this story is huge. I think it goes to
the essence of Frankly where Trump is right, which is
(13:34):
saying we can't live in a country where violent crimes
like these are allowed to happen, and when the people
perpetrating them have been arrested fourteen times.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Well, this is the other part. There's so many layers here, Clay,
there's failure of the narrative. The Democrats want to tell you.
There's the lie that we can all see.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I told you.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I mean, I was laughing my butt off watching the
Jesse Smolett documentary. I mean, it is high comedy that
anyone believes. But let's remember Clay.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
So he was fine.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
He had like a tiny scratch, it looked like he
maybe cut himself shaving. And it was a national outrage. Yes,
Kamala Harris was weighing in.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
I mean, Joe Biden was weighing in. It's still a
it was a huge.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Oh my gosh, look at this, all the racism against
black people, all the anti LGBTQ, all this stuff, all alie, okay,
but that was immediate national conversation. A Ukrainian refugee bruly
murdered because the system completely felled her, because the system
is too afraid of looking like it's racist when it
enforces the law. That's actually not a conversation we should
have as a country. Which one of those things matters
(14:33):
more to the American people in their daily lives.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
We got to force this issue, no doubt. And here's
another one I'll add. I think that this doesn't help
the black community because one it allows violence to continue,
but two, liberal white people who are trying to say, oh,
we can't have this conversation, they actually don't want things
to get better. And I think a lot of black
voters are slowly starting to recognize this. These people don't
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Speaker 4 (16:19):
Let's take some calls coming up here on everything going
on with the whole criminal justice conversation, the horrific murder
stabbing murder of that beloved veterinary professor in Alabama, the
stabbing on the light rail, the video of it, What
Trump is doing in New York, I'm sorry, sorry, DC,
what mom Donnie wants to do in New York. Will
(16:40):
discuss all this and dive into it. But here's our
friend Stephen Miller, who does not hold back. Play cut one.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
You look at that video that chills our very souls
out of Charlotte that beautiful young woman stabbed to death,
murdered savagely on a subway, just trying to get home
from work, fleeting, or only to run into a Democrat
war zone here in our country, that monster fourteen prior arrests,
(17:07):
in and out, in and out, the Democrat policies of
catch and release for barbarians and savages is truly an
active terror sean against the American people. It cannot be
explained unless you deeply fundamentally hate America.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I think that says it, Clay. I think it says
it well.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And again I give credit to Trump, and I would
encourage him to speak out on this even more often
what he says is covered by the left wing media
as a way to push back against him. But what
I would say to the Trump administration is these are
conversations we should be having. And when your general proposition
is I want less violence in America and I'll do
(17:51):
whatever it takes, showing these stories is how you get that.
I think.
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with us all right. You asked the question that I
think is a big part of what we should address here, Buck,
and we're getting emails and a lot of other reactions
on this as well, and it is okay.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
The data shows what it shows, and that is.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
As we said, there are far too many murders in
this country, somewhere in the neighborhood of around twenty thousand
murders a year ish, and over half of those murders
on average, are committed primarily by young black men in America.
So Buck pointed out that if black men in America
committed murders at the same rate as everyone else on average, white,
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Asian and Hispanic, that the overall rate of violent crime
in the United States would actually be somewhat similar to Canada,
would be far lower. And the question that is out
there is, okay, if you agree that there are far
too many murders, and I think most of the people
out there listening to us right now agree, and we
are all profoundly anti murder. We want less of you
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being killed by violent perpetrators. What is the best way
that the nation, meaning local, state, and federal officials, should
respond to this. I can't think of any answer other
than we have to lock up violent perpetrators and keep
them off our streets. I'm open to other suggestions to
(20:24):
me that is overwhelmingly the answer.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I think it's also instructive that whenever there's a moment
for the Democrats and for the left and that whole
ideological side of things, after a violent incident Clay, they
do this moral blackmail, pretend policy discussion where they say, well,
are you just gonna look we have this kind of
(20:49):
with Trey Goudie on guns. I'm just saying, are you
just gonna do nothing? Are you just gonna do nothing?
That's the thing that they respond to you with when
you say, well, there's already a lot of laws. This
person broke a lot of laws. You know, these are
rare events. You know, school shootings are horrific beyond words,
but statistically they are. Now when we talk about school shootings,
(21:09):
we also can separate this out not talking about you know,
two gang members in the school yard or two people.
Sometimes they count as a school shooting people shooting within
the like legal confines of a school, which I think
includes a few hundred feet beyond school grounds, right because
of the laws about you know, gun free zones and such.
But if you're talking about an attempted mass murder or
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mass murder of school children, that's usually what we think
of with the school shooting. They are rare events, thank heavens,
But they are rare events. Statistically, murders in general in
this country are too high. They are not rare events.
And so digging into the statistics about why we have
such a higher murder rate than other developed countries is
something that is absolutely worthwhile from a policy perspective. And
(21:52):
you just raised one of the things that we know
we can do. If we want to bring the murder
rate down, we have to have how about that or how.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
About even five strike laws?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
We could even go you know, I prefer three, but
I'm just saying, Clay. In the case of New York
City yesterday I talked about it.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
New York Post.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Sixty three people did five thousand arrestable crimes in New.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
York sixty three people.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, And I come back to this is where the
Soros he recognized George Soros did the weak breaking points
of American life, and it was district attorneys. And he realized,
for almost no money in the grand scheme of political fundraising,
he could take over criminal prosecutions all over the country,
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and he could put in soft on crime das and
those soft on crime das do not lock up violent criminals.
They constantly put them back out on the streets, and
all of us are in danger as a result, every city,
every state in America. So my answer here is pretty straightforward.
I think we have to elect DA's that actually put
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bad guys behind bars and keep them there. I also
think this is an interesting analogy, and I hadn't heard it.
I saw Elon Musk share it, and I don't know
if you talked about it yesterday. But judges basically have
no consequences for the choices that they make on the bench.
And so if you're a left wing judge, a bleeding
(23:26):
heart liberal, you just say, oh, I know this guy's
been arrested nine times before for violent offenses, but I
think he's putting his life back in the right order.
Let's go ahead and let him back out on the streets.
And then by and large, that judge makes enough money
that he or she is inoculated from the violent crime
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to a large extent that afflicts much of the city.
But when this act, like what happens to the Ukrainian refugee,
happens in Charlotte, when this act actually happens, there are
no consequences for the judges, and somebody analogized. They said, Hey,
a bartender who overserves can actually be criminally charged, and
(24:09):
certainly can be civilly charged. I mean, lots of bars
have to take huge amounts of insurance out because if
you serve too many alcohol to an individual, then they
get in a car and they kill someone.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
There is a culpability there. Well, let's play this analogy out.
This judge who decided to let this now as we know,
alleged heinous murderer out with basically no punishment at all.
This judge would be like a bartender who says, hey,
I know you've been arrested for DUI ten times. I
(24:42):
know you've been in five car RECs in the last
two years, and I know that you drink too much
in general. But you know what, if you're gonna totally
promise me that this time I can give you this
bottle of whiskey to just pour shots for yourself before
you go home, you're gonna behave that person might get
thrown in there is Yes, this judge is the equivalent
of that bartender.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I think it's a great analogy, and I think it
raises the question why do we have a more stringent
standard for behavior for bartenders than we do for judges.
And I say this as as someone who is a lawyer.
I think that judges should have some form of culpability.
(25:27):
The problem that we have is a lot of these
judges never have to worry about job security once they
get elected in many communities, and or once they are appointed,
they basically have lifetime tenure. If you're talking about federal
district court judges and beyond. There should be consequences when
you screw this up. And I think the answer for
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our politicians is, unfortunately, we have to take away the
discretion from judges that was the entire point of three
strikes and you're out. You have a life sentence. Here's
the challenge. And you know this, buck, and not enough
people talk about it. A lot of violent criminals plead
guilty to offenses that do not add up to something
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that would eventually get them behind bars for a significant
period of time.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
In other words, you get.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Arrested and you have engaged in some sort of actually
really heinous violent act. Right, Let's just say you walk
up and knock out somebody walking down the street who's
done nothing to you. I would submit the odds of
someone doing that and not engaging in violent acts again.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Or virtually zero.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
You plead guilty to some form of misdemeanor and you're
right back out on the street, So you're not even
getting a felony charge when you should get a felony charge,
which is why I think three strikes in you're out
is actually probably too lenient.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yeah, I would add, first of all, if to remember,
for every crime that someone commits that they are prosecuted for,
chances are there are many crimes that aren't even being tabulated.
You know, there are many things that have gone on
that aren't attributed to them and maybe aren't even in
the statistics at all. That's why we always talk about
murder is used as it's really hard. I mean they can,
(27:14):
but it's really hard to hide a dead body, and
it's really hard to say that's not a dead body
that is the result of foul play.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And this is why on this show that is the
number one thing that I think you focus on because
murder happens, Like we don't argue about whether there was
actually a crime. When a dead body with a knife
shows up or a gunshot wound to your point though,
about what the charges are that are actually on somebody's
rap sheet. I saw this NYPD counter terrorism cases, same
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thing would come up. You may have somebody on conspiracy
to do something terrible, but it's tough to prove or
harder to prove. And now you can get into oh
are they you know, were they entrapped into this? You
know they were gonna go shoot up this or blow
up that. You know they're gonna do some terrorist stack.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
But if you have him play with like a bunch
of illegal grenades and an AK forty seven that they
filed the serial number off of, you might just charge
him with that because they're gonna get ten years and
they'll plead because it's a possession. I bring this up
because in the context of a lot of gang and drugs,
I mean gang and drug gang specifically, which is really
(28:23):
the same thing. Cases people end up taking a hit
on possession because they got you. If they find you
with five kilos of cocaine in your house. They might
also want you for a murder for higher rap maybe,
but they can't really make it stick, but they nail
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the time.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
This is why we said the Diddy charges were totally bungled. Dude,
buy yeah, they had him on drugs, they had him
on weapons, and instead they tried to argue that he
was engaged in a human basically afficking ring. And let
me hit you with this, because this is the New
York Times headline. They finally have covered the murder of
(29:07):
Arena Zorutska. Here's the headline in New York Times today.
A gruesome murder in North Carolina ignites a firestorm on
the right. Security footage capturing the unprovoked stabbing in Charlotte
became an accelerant for conservative arguments about the perceived failings
(29:28):
of Democrat policies.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Perceived, that's perceived. I mean, let's unpack this clay firestorm
on the right. Why isn't it just a firestorm?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Why?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's my point, Like, why is a twenty three year
old Ukrainian refugee We got all these people with Ukraine
flags in their bio.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Why have all these.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
People this girl fled Ukraine to try to be safer
in America and she got stabbed to death on public
transit in Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And the video I think people say, well, why is
the video matter.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
The video shows you how callous and how violent America
can be because she never even saw the stabbing coming.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Not that stabbings are justified.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
This tiny, little, uh, you know, innocent twenty three year
old probably weigh one hundred and five pounds, is sitting
there on a public transit. She never even sees the
guy behind her about to stab her.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
She never said coming, Clay.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
You know, yesterday I mentioned this and we should we
should return to this topic. There's already this this problem.
They're running into body cameras and X public surveillance cameras
and X we see what is happening. If there wasn't
video of this, the New York Times would be talking
(30:52):
about a homeless guy with a drug problem who was
an aspiring astrophysicist who just snapped and nobody saw it coming.
Oh so sad. But there's video. There's video, so we
all know visually, instinctually what went on here. And that's
why all the narrative creation and all the usual propaganda
(31:15):
from these scumbags at the Washington Post New York Times
doesn't work. They can't pull it to they can't pull
it together.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
And I think for this girl I think a lot
of you out there thought, man, that could have been
my daughter, Man, that could have been my granddaughter. We're
not talking about buck a bar fight or some two
men get in an altercation and somebody ends up ends
up dead. This was a completely, one hundred billion percent
innocent girl that could have been anybody's daughter, anybody's granddaughter,
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who just happened to step onto a public transit and
happened to pick a seat right in front of this
psychopath who should have never ever been on the street
at all. And I think that New York Times is
why it resonates, And I think it resonates with every
parent and every grandparent out there in America, White, Black,
(32:07):
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to wake up to what happened to that twenty three
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Speaker 4 (34:21):
All right, welcome back in. So let's get to a
lot of calls and talkbacks and everything. This is an
important topic of topic people feel passionately about. Joanne in Greensboro,
North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
What have you got for us?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Joint?
Speaker 8 (34:35):
Okay, So, I believe with my whole heart that the
black community has been indoctrinateed for years on purpose, to
believe that the largest percentage of wives are rifest. I
prefer time going in.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I'm sorry, no, you continue you called us.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Yeah, I was just going to say the first time
I became aware of this. I was watching an O
talk show Phil Domicue back in the eighties, and there
was a couple on there, a black couple that were
married and they're best friends. I got it backwards when
I was talking to your intern, but their best friends
were a black couple and they were expressing to the
white couple how fearful they were because their children were
(35:17):
away at college and they were getting indoctrinated to be militant. So,
I mean, it's been going on for years. And I
have a black son, makes husband is black, I have
black current. Me and my husband have little biracial grandchildren.
I've been part of the black community for the better
(35:38):
part of forty almost sixty years now, and I can
tell you and the black community that wants to be truthful,
they when they speak out, you know, and they do
very often. It's just not covered. But there's not the
level of racism that people are being led to believe
it's not true.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Thank you for the call, Joe Ann. Here's what I
would say in general and all of this, I think
that most people white, Black, Asian Hispanic are good, decent,
non racist people. I think there are racist white Black
Asian and Hispanic people. And if we had that conversation
rationally as a country, and all of you, regardless of
(36:21):
your race, are aware of this. Some people do behave
in stereotypical fashion. Some people are racist. That is a minority.
But we have to have a rational conversation about it,
and we have to have a conversation that actually benefits
the entire nation. And if we want violent crime to
go down, I mean actually want it to go down,
we have to look at the data and go after
(36:44):
the people who are committing the violent crime. If we do,
violent crime goes down. This is not rocket science. More
of your talkbacks, more of your reactions, Hour two Next time.
Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we embark
on another day of true telling and what is often
a sea of anarchy and breakley lies. We're gonna update
you on a strike that has taken place inside of Katar,
(00:21):
targeting Hamas leaders who had been running Hamas from there.
What the full impact is, we will dive into that
and what it means going forward in the Middle East. Again,
big story there. These were the Hamas leaders who helped
to set in motion the October seventh terror attack, and
(00:44):
this was again a very targeted strike against the absolute
top of Hamas inside of Katar. Now, there are a
lot of different angles to hit on this, and I
know you hit on a bunch of them yesterday, buck By.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I have been reading all.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Weekend long and into the start of the week all
about what happened in Charlotte where this young, innocent, twenty
three year old woman was stabbed in cold blood on
public transportation in Charlotte by an individual who'd been previously
arrested fourteen times. And I know you talked about this
(01:22):
sum yesterday, buck but my Twitter feed to my email
has been blown up from people talking about the veterinarian
in Auburn, Alabama, who was murdered also by another individual
that should have never been out on the streets. And
I know many of you out there have seen these stories,
(01:44):
but it's important to recognize that by and large, there
is no coverage of stories like these in the New
York Times, in the Washington Post, at CNN, MSNBC, they
mostly ignore it because it tells a story that they
do not want to address or even acknowledge in any way.
(02:05):
And in fact, when they do cover it, it's often
covered through the prism of oh, people on the right
are upset about this event, as if that is the
reason why it should be covered. And I know you
dove into this and we've talked about it a lot
on the program, but I don't think you can solve
major issues of violent crime in this country until we
(02:27):
have an actual conversation about where violent crime is coming from.
And overwhelmingly, violent crime in this country is clustered in
black neighborhoods, often involving young black men. That is a reality.
It makes people uncomfortable to even mention because oh, my goodness,
it's racist. In some way, and in fact, I want
(02:49):
to play this audio clip that I think is emblematic
of being fearful of actually addressing the issue at hand.
And this was from CNN where they talk about it
only in the context of well, some people online are
upset about this, And this is Brian Stelter on CNN
(03:09):
saying the Charlotte murder is just a political symbol, and unfortunately,
in his mind, many things that are being said online
are quote baldly racist.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So listen to cut two.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
This story has trickled up from from local news to
social media and now to the President's attention, and it's
being used, as you said, Brian, as a political symbol,
with MAGA media calling for more forceful punishments and more incarceration.
I have to say, some of the replies to musks,
some of the comments around this story are baldly racist,
stoking fear of African Americans because this man attacked a
(03:45):
white woman. The open racism on sites like x Today
it's eye popping. But there are also legitimate questions about
this so called career criminal, someone who had been a
repeat offender, and those questions I hope they're not lost
amid all of the cess pool kind of comments on
social media.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, I think this is an important conversation we should have, Buck,
and I know you talked about it some yesterday. It
is not racist to point out the race of someone
who commits a violent crime. Here is what Let me
just make it clear, because I think this is important
and I know you guys get it, but maybe in
your conversations you're nervous about having conversations about this because
(04:22):
you're afraid of being called racist.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Here is what is racist.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Being racist is saying, hey, you're going to commit a
crime because you are black, with no evidence whatsoever of
that being the case, right, That is racism.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It is not racist to.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Look at data and say, boy, of all the murders
that are being committed in America, the vast majority, if
you analyze it from a per capita basis, are being
committed by young black men, and we should have a
conversation about why that is, because the data actually reflects
that if young black men committed, for instance, rates of
(05:02):
violent crime at the same rate as white or Asian
young men do, we basically wouldn't have a violent crime
rate in the United States that is anywhere approaching what
we have here now right, I mean it would actually
be at least two or three times as safe of
a country if.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
You were to eliminate the just the disparity in the
black crime rate in this country. I believe we would be,
on a per capita basis, have fewer homicides than Canada.
So that gives you some sense of which has actually
I think had some crime problems in recent more recent years,
but there's a huge disparity by the numbers. But I
wanted to focus in on for a moment. Of course, Stelter,
(05:44):
who what did Tucker used.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
To call him? Like the village eunuch or something like this.
He had some phrase for him.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
That that was particularly Yeah, Brian Stelter is really a
perfect representation of like low tee liberal the future is feminine,
you know, the white male of the Democrat Party is
essentially comprised of first and foremost. And for him to
(06:12):
say that it raises questions. No, I don't think it
actually raises questions. We have the answers, Clay. Yeah, when
someone has been arrested fourteen times, when they've sexually assaulted
women or assaulted women, I think I should violently assaulted
women two times previously.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
This is somebody who needs to be taken.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Out of circulation for a while. And you want to
try rehab. You want to try to you know, to
bring Jesus into his life. You want to make him
a better person. Fine, do so in a facility also
known as a prison. That is the reality that we
have to deal with here. Okay, that is what has
to happen. The decision was made here over and over
(06:53):
again to let this individual continue to terrorize people. And
we have to ask why what is the mindset we're
going to have on a state senator from Is it
a state senator?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I think?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Thank you who represent this area from North Carolina represents
this area. We'll ask about what the processes are, if
there are any to hold judges accountable. It's very hard
in general. Clay could go into this at length. It's
very hard in general to hold judges accountable for anything. Uh,
you can. There's a process, but it's difficult. But we
should ask why did this judge decide to let this
(07:30):
guy go effectively unpunished. It's not like he just got
out of a twenty five year sentence and decided to reoffend.
I mean this guy was wandering around the streets and
was obviously a threat to people. So Clay, I just
I completely reject this. Oh, there are legitimate questions, you know, Stelzers,
the legitimate questions raised by the way the system may
(07:52):
have failed. No, this is actually the system giving the
product that the system wants to give, which is higher
crime rates, more to the general population, more risk to women,
more risk to minorities, disproportionately because it makes certain people
feel better about themselves because they think some of this
conversation is icky.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's the essence of it. A lot of people are
uncomfortable with acknowledging what the data shows. And to me,
you cannot address an issue until you objectively and rationally
examine it. And this is why I said the whole
BLM protest was focused on something that basically doesn't happen
very often. That is violent white attacks on black people
(08:38):
because of their race. It's almost non existent in the country.
Not say that it never happen, it's almost non existent.
In fact, if you go look at the data, the
number of white people that engage of violent acts against
black people is almost almost zero. And statistically it's also true, Clay,
we talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
It's also true that police killing or even using excessive
force against unarmed black men statistically.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Is very very rare. But isn't it fascinating, Clay?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
We can have one after another suicide bomber, all yelling
a lot huakbar, all from the same religious background, all
having similar profiles, and we're told that's not representative, that
doesn't count, there's no problem there. But then there'll be
one cop involved in one incident with whether it's George
Floyd or Mike Brown, and whole neighborhoods have to burn
(09:31):
down and everybody has to sit around and bend the
knee and beg forgiveness for the past wrongs.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
I have done nothing. I have done nothing racist.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I am not a part of any racist system, and
I absolutely reject all of that crap. And I think
people have just realized that's where you got to be
with this. You can't play the game anymore well.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And here is where I think the media often, very
often is incredibly flawed. And we talk about this, but
and I know many of you think about it, I
don't know that you really think about it on a
central level. Most of media today is anecdote, and I
think that is exacerbated by everybody having a cell phone,
and so any incident can go viral. To me an
(10:12):
honest media only covers anecdote when it is representative of
a larger issue that needs to be address.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
It should align with the data. But we see the
opposite where.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
They actually try to pretend the anecdote is the data
or representative of the data. This is why it is
a lie. It is a lie by statistics, or it
is a lie by the omission of reality.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And so if and you all know this, but if that,
if that had been a young black girl twenty three
year old sitting on that public transit in Charlotte and
a white guy had stabbed her in the throat, every
single television station in America would lead with it for
multiple days. We would all have to have national conversations.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You would blame Trumpers in it, by the way, they
would say, is this is what happens in Trump somewhere,
or they would take it right to Trump. You and
I know that, And so if you are not treating
this in a similar fashion, and by the way, all
of you out there in right wing land, although I
would submit it is just sanity Land, who are listening
(11:22):
to us right now. All of you would be immersed
in that story. You would not be able to avoid
it because right wing media would cover it too well.
The left basically doesn't cover this story. All of you
are aware of it. But I think it's important that
we have this conversation. Okay, we could just take calls
(11:42):
and we have before where we have black listeners to
this show who will just call in and say that
this is we are discussing the reality of the media's
treatment of these subjects. We could just take calls for
an hour from people listening right now to our audience
who are black, would say, yeah, the media is playing
games here. You know, it's the media that is doing
the misrepresentation. It's the media that is bringing these narratives
(12:06):
and the Democrat Party and all this stuff about structural
racism and everything else. They bring ideology into this. We
just want there to be less crime. We want everyone
to be safer. We want to do what is necessary
so that nobody black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Christian, Muslim.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Jew, no one's getting stabbed on the subway. That's actually
the goal here.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
And then we treat everyone as an individual, But treating
people as individuals also means viewing their right to be
safe walking down the street in their neighborhood as more
important than what your friends at the golf club. After
you're done with your MSNBC hit in Chevy Chase, think
about what you said on TV.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And objective data.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
If we are going to truly address violent crime, objective
data reflects that young black men in particular, overwhelmingly are
responsible for violent crime. So if we are going to
put more police on the streets, and if we are
going to address violent crime, that is going to lead
to more young black men being arrested. That's not racism. Again,
(13:12):
I think this kills the argument, but I think it's
one good one to put in your back pocket. It's
not sexism that men are arrested for around ninety five
percent of all violent crimes. It's because men are more
violent as a group than women are. Okay, So I
think this story is huge. I think it goes to
the essence of Frankly where Trump is right, which is
(13:34):
saying we can't live in a country where violent crimes
like these are allowed to happen, and when the people
perpetrating them have been arrested fourteen times.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Well, this is the other part. There's so many layers here, Clay,
there's failure of the narrative. The Democrats want to tell you.
There's the lie that we can all see.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I told you.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I mean, I was laughing my butt off watching the
Jesse Smolett documentary. I mean, it is high comedy that
anyone believes. But let's remember Clay.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
So he was fine.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
He had like a tiny scratch, it looked like he
maybe cut himself shaving. And it was a national outrage. Yes,
Kamala Harris was weighing in.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
I mean, Joe Biden was weighing in. It's still a
it was a huge.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Oh my gosh, look at this, all the racism against
black people, all the anti LGBTQ, all this stuff, all alie, okay,
but that was immediate national conversation. A Ukrainian refugee bruly
murdered because the system completely felled her, because the system
is too afraid of looking like it's racist when it
enforces the law. That's actually not a conversation we should
have as a country. Which one of those things matters
(14:33):
more to the American people in their daily lives.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
We got to force this issue, no doubt. And here's
another one I'll add. I think that this doesn't help
the black community because one it allows violence to continue,
but two, liberal white people who are trying to say, oh,
we can't have this conversation, they actually don't want things
to get better. And I think a lot of black
voters are slowly starting to recognize this. These people don't
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Speaker 4 (16:19):
Let's take some calls coming up here on everything going
on with the whole criminal justice conversation, the horrific murder
stabbing murder of that beloved veterinary professor in Alabama, the
stabbing on the light rail, the video of it, What
Trump is doing in New York, I'm sorry, sorry, DC,
what mom Donnie wants to do in New York. Will
(16:40):
discuss all this and dive into it. But here's our
friend Stephen Miller, who does not hold back. Play cut one.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
You look at that video that chills our very souls
out of Charlotte that beautiful young woman stabbed to death,
murdered savagely on a subway, just trying to get home
from work, fleeting, or only to run into a Democrat
war zone here in our country, that monster fourteen prior arrests,
(17:07):
in and out, in and out, the Democrat policies of
catch and release for barbarians and savages is truly an
active terror sean against the American people. It cannot be
explained unless you deeply fundamentally hate America.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I think that says it, Clay. I think it says
it well.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And again I give credit to Trump, and I would
encourage him to speak out on this even more often
what he says is covered by the left wing media
as a way to push back against him. But what
I would say to the Trump administration is these are
conversations we should be having. And when your general proposition
is I want less violence in America and I'll do
(17:51):
whatever it takes, showing these stories is how you get that.
I think.
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think is a big part of what we should address here, Buck,
and we're getting emails and a lot of other reactions
on this as well, and it is okay.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
The data shows what it shows, and that is.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
As we said, there are far too many murders in
this country, somewhere in the neighborhood of around twenty thousand
murders a year ish, and over half of those murders
on average, are committed primarily by young black men in America.
So Buck pointed out that if black men in America
committed murders at the same rate as everyone else on average, white,
(19:41):
Asian and Hispanic, that the overall rate of violent crime
in the United States would actually be somewhat similar to Canada,
would be far lower. And the question that is out
there is, okay, if you agree that there are far
too many murders, and I think most of the people
out there listening to us right now agree, and we
are all profoundly anti murder. We want less of you
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being killed by violent perpetrators. What is the best way
that the nation, meaning local, state, and federal officials, should
respond to this. I can't think of any answer other
than we have to lock up violent perpetrators and keep
them off our streets. I'm open to other suggestions to
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me that is overwhelmingly the answer.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I think it's also instructive that whenever there's a moment
for the Democrats and for the left and that whole
ideological side of things, after a violent incident Clay, they
do this moral blackmail, pretend policy discussion where they say, well,
are you just gonna look we have this kind of
(20:49):
with Trey Goudie on guns. I'm just saying, are you
just gonna do nothing? Are you just gonna do nothing?
That's the thing that they respond to you with when
you say, well, there's already a lot of laws. This
person broke a lot of laws. You know, these are
rare events. You know, school shootings are horrific beyond words,
but statistically they are. Now when we talk about school shootings,
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we also can separate this out not talking about you know,
two gang members in the school yard or two people.
Sometimes they count as a school shooting people shooting within
the like legal confines of a school, which I think
includes a few hundred feet beyond school grounds, right because
of the laws about you know, gun free zones and such.
But if you're talking about an attempted mass murder or
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mass murder of school children, that's usually what we think
of with the school shooting. They are rare events, thank heavens,
But they are rare events. Statistically, murders in general in
this country are too high. They are not rare events.
And so digging into the statistics about why we have
such a higher murder rate than other developed countries is
something that is absolutely worthwhile from a policy perspective. And
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you just raised one of the things that we know
we can do. If we want to bring the murder
rate down, we have to have how about that or how.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
About even five strike laws?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
We could even go you know, I prefer three, but
I'm just saying, Clay. In the case of New York
City yesterday I talked about it.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
New York Post.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Sixty three people did five thousand arrestable crimes in New.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
York sixty three people.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, And I come back to this is where the
Soros he recognized George Soros did the weak breaking points
of American life, and it was district attorneys. And he realized,
for almost no money in the grand scheme of political fundraising,
he could take over criminal prosecutions all over the country,
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and he could put in soft on crime das and
those soft on crime das do not lock up violent criminals.
They constantly put them back out on the streets, and
all of us are in danger as a result, every city,
every state in America. So my answer here is pretty straightforward.
I think we have to elect DA's that actually put
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bad guys behind bars and keep them there. I also
think this is an interesting analogy, and I hadn't heard it.
I saw Elon Musk share it, and I don't know
if you talked about it yesterday. But judges basically have
no consequences for the choices that they make on the bench.
And so if you're a left wing judge, a bleeding
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heart liberal, you just say, oh, I know this guy's
been arrested nine times before for violent offenses, but I
think he's putting his life back in the right order.
Let's go ahead and let him back out on the streets.
And then by and large, that judge makes enough money
that he or she is inoculated from the violent crime
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to a large extent that afflicts much of the city.
But when this act, like what happens to the Ukrainian refugee,
happens in Charlotte, when this act actually happens, there are
no consequences for the judges, and somebody analogized. They said, Hey,
a bartender who overserves can actually be criminally charged, and
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certainly can be civilly charged. I mean, lots of bars
have to take huge amounts of insurance out because if
you serve too many alcohol to an individual, then they
get in a car and they kill someone.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
There is a culpability there. Well, let's play this analogy out.
This judge who decided to let this now as we know,
alleged heinous murderer out with basically no punishment at all.
This judge would be like a bartender who says, hey,
I know you've been arrested for DUI ten times. I
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know you've been in five car RECs in the last
two years, and I know that you drink too much
in general. But you know what, if you're gonna totally
promise me that this time I can give you this
bottle of whiskey to just pour shots for yourself before
you go home, you're gonna behave that person might get
thrown in there is Yes, this judge is the equivalent
of that bartender.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I think it's a great analogy, and I think it
raises the question why do we have a more stringent
standard for behavior for bartenders than we do for judges.
And I say this as as someone who is a lawyer.
I think that judges should have some form of culpability.
(25:27):
The problem that we have is a lot of these
judges never have to worry about job security once they
get elected in many communities, and or once they are appointed,
they basically have lifetime tenure. If you're talking about federal
district court judges and beyond. There should be consequences when
you screw this up. And I think the answer for
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our politicians is, unfortunately, we have to take away the
discretion from judges that was the entire point of three
strikes and you're out. You have a life sentence. Here's
the challenge. And you know this, buck, and not enough
people talk about it. A lot of violent criminals plead
guilty to offenses that do not add up to something
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that would eventually get them behind bars for a significant
period of time.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
In other words, you get.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Arrested and you have engaged in some sort of actually
really heinous violent act. Right, Let's just say you walk
up and knock out somebody walking down the street who's
done nothing to you. I would submit the odds of
someone doing that and not engaging in violent acts again.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Or virtually zero.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
You plead guilty to some form of misdemeanor and you're
right back out on the street, So you're not even
getting a felony charge when you should get a felony charge,
which is why I think three strikes in you're out
is actually probably too lenient.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yeah, I would add, first of all, if to remember,
for every crime that someone commits that they are prosecuted for,
chances are there are many crimes that aren't even being tabulated.
You know, there are many things that have gone on
that aren't attributed to them and maybe aren't even in
the statistics at all. That's why we always talk about
murder is used as it's really hard. I mean they can,
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but it's really hard to hide a dead body, and
it's really hard to say that's not a dead body
that is the result of foul play.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And this is why on this show that is the
number one thing that I think you focus on because
murder happens, Like we don't argue about whether there was
actually a crime. When a dead body with a knife
shows up or a gunshot wound to your point though,
about what the charges are that are actually on somebody's
rap sheet. I saw this NYPD counter terrorism cases, same
(27:41):
thing would come up. You may have somebody on conspiracy
to do something terrible, but it's tough to prove or
harder to prove. And now you can get into oh
are they you know, were they entrapped into this? You
know they were gonna go shoot up this or blow
up that. You know they're gonna do some terrorist stack.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
But if you have him play with like a bunch
of illegal grenades and an AK forty seven that they
filed the serial number off of, you might just charge
him with that because they're gonna get ten years and
they'll plead because it's a possession. I bring this up
because in the context of a lot of gang and drugs,
I mean gang and drug gang specifically, which is really
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the same thing. Cases people end up taking a hit
on possession because they got you. If they find you
with five kilos of cocaine in your house. They might
also want you for a murder for higher rap maybe,
but they can't really make it stick, but they nail
you on the gun or the drug possession happens all
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the time.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
This is why we said the Diddy charges were totally bungled. Dude,
buy yeah, they had him on drugs, they had him
on weapons, and instead they tried to argue that he
was engaged in a human basically afficking ring. And let
me hit you with this, because this is the New
York Times headline. They finally have covered the murder of
(29:07):
Arena Zorutska. Here's the headline in New York Times today.
A gruesome murder in North Carolina ignites a firestorm on
the right. Security footage capturing the unprovoked stabbing in Charlotte
became an accelerant for conservative arguments about the perceived failings
(29:28):
of Democrat policies.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Perceived, that's perceived. I mean, let's unpack this clay firestorm
on the right. Why isn't it just a firestorm?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Why?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's my point, Like, why is a twenty three year
old Ukrainian refugee We got all these people with Ukraine
flags in their bio.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Why have all these.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
People this girl fled Ukraine to try to be safer
in America and she got stabbed to death on public
transit in Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And the video I think people say, well, why is
the video matter.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
The video shows you how callous and how violent America
can be because she never even saw the stabbing coming.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Not that stabbings are justified.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
This tiny, little, uh, you know, innocent twenty three year
old probably weigh one hundred and five pounds, is sitting
there on a public transit. She never even sees the
guy behind her about to stab her.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
She never said coming, Clay.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
You know, yesterday I mentioned this and we should we
should return to this topic. There's already this this problem.
They're running into body cameras and X public surveillance cameras
and X we see what is happening. If there wasn't
video of this, the New York Times would be talking
(30:52):
about a homeless guy with a drug problem who was
an aspiring astrophysicist who just snapped and nobody saw it coming.
Oh so sad. But there's video. There's video, so we
all know visually, instinctually what went on here. And that's
why all the narrative creation and all the usual propaganda
(31:15):
from these scumbags at the Washington Post New York Times
doesn't work. They can't pull it to they can't pull
it together.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
And I think for this girl I think a lot
of you out there thought, man, that could have been
my daughter, Man, that could have been my granddaughter. We're
not talking about buck a bar fight or some two
men get in an altercation and somebody ends up ends
up dead. This was a completely, one hundred billion percent
innocent girl that could have been anybody's daughter, anybody's granddaughter,
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who just happened to step onto a public transit and
happened to pick a seat right in front of this
psychopath who should have never ever been on the street
at all. And I think that New York Times is
why it resonates, And I think it resonates with every
parent and every grandparent out there in America, White, Black,
(32:07):
Asian and Hispanic, because any of them could have had
to wake up to what happened to that twenty three
year old girl. And that should never happen anywhere in America.
And we should be outraged, regardless of our politics when
we see videos of it. Look, we've lost touch with
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Speaker 4 (34:21):
All right, welcome back in. So let's get to a
lot of calls and talkbacks and everything. This is an
important topic of topic people feel passionately about. Joanne in Greensboro,
North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
What have you got for us?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Joint?
Speaker 8 (34:35):
Okay, So, I believe with my whole heart that the
black community has been indoctrinateed for years on purpose, to
believe that the largest percentage of wives are rifest. I
prefer time going in.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I'm sorry, no, you continue you called us.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Yeah, I was just going to say the first time
I became aware of this. I was watching an O
talk show Phil Domicue back in the eighties, and there
was a couple on there, a black couple that were
married and they're best friends. I got it backwards when
I was talking to your intern, but their best friends
were a black couple and they were expressing to the
white couple how fearful they were because their children were
(35:17):
away at college and they were getting indoctrinated to be militant. So,
I mean, it's been going on for years. And I
have a black son, makes husband is black, I have
black current. Me and my husband have little biracial grandchildren.
I've been part of the black community for the better
(35:38):
part of forty almost sixty years now, and I can
tell you and the black community that wants to be truthful,
they when they speak out, you know, and they do
very often. It's just not covered. But there's not the
level of racism that people are being led to believe
it's not true.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Thank you for the call, Joe Ann. Here's what I
would say in general and all of this, I think
that most people white, Black, Asian Hispanic are good, decent,
non racist people. I think there are racist white Black
Asian and Hispanic people. And if we had that conversation
rationally as a country, and all of you, regardless of
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your race, are aware of this. Some people do behave
in stereotypical fashion. Some people are racist. That is a minority.
But we have to have a rational conversation about it,
and we have to have a conversation that actually benefits
the entire nation. And if we want violent crime to
go down, I mean actually want it to go down,
we have to look at the data and go after
(36:44):
the people who are committing the violent crime. If we do,
violent crime goes down. This is not rocket science. More
of your talkbacks, more of your reactions, Hour two Next time.
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