September 9, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts continue their deep dive into the national outrage surrounding the brutal stabbing of Iryna Zarutska, a 23-year-old Ukrainian woman on public transit in Charlotte, North Carolina. This hour intensifies the focus on violent crime, criminal justice reform, and the political and media narratives surrounding these issues. The discussion is framed with powerful SEO themes such as Charlotte stabbing, violent crime in America, criminal justice reform, cashless bail, Democrat soft-on-crime policies, Trump executive order, and media bias.
The hour opens with analysis of Democrat-led cities and their criminal justice policies, particularly the push to reduce incarceration rates in places like New York City. The hosts criticize progressive leaders like Zohran Mamdani for advocating fewer incarcerations, arguing that many individuals in jail are repeat offenders who pose a clear danger to society. They explain how plea deals and overworked prosecutors often result in violent criminals receiving minimal sentences, which distorts public understanding of crime statistics.
Clay and Buck emphasize the racial and demographic realities of violent crime, citing data that shows a disproportionate number of violent crimes are committed by young black men, often from fatherless homes. They argue that the breakdown of the nuclear family—particularly in black communities—is a key driver of crime, and that Democrat welfare policies have exacerbated this issue since the 1960s.
The conversation also touches on the Second Amendment, with Buck highlighting the irony of Democrat-run cities disarming law-abiding citizens while failing to protect them from violent criminals. The hosts argue that self-defense rights are being undermined in cities like Chicago, New York, and Washington, D.C., where gun ownership is heavily restricted.
A major segment features White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt addressing the Charlotte murder, condemning Democrat-backed policies like cashless bail and restorative justice. She announces President Trump’s executive order to identify jurisdictions with such policies and potentially cut federal funding to them. Leavitt also touts Trump’s success in securing the southern border, noting that for four consecutive months, zero illegal immigrants were released into the U.S.—a milestone in immigration enforcement.
The hosts return to the Charlotte stabbing, discussing the disturbing video footage and the suspect’s alleged statement, “I got that white girl,” which raises questions about racial motivation and media double standards. They compare the media’s treatment of this case to the coverage of Daniel Penny, who was charged for defending passengers on a New York subway. Clay and Buck argue that the mainstream media selectively covers stories based on political narratives, often ignoring crimes that don’t fit their preferred framing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Our two so much to discuss.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
White House is set to brief here shortly on well
a whole range of things, but they're going to talk
to us about the murder in Charlotte on the light
rail system that occurred, the video which has gotten so
many people all across the country honestly just outrage at
the failures of the system and the decision. I should say,
(00:32):
I'm not even sure we could call it a failure
of the system, Clay, because I think increasingly Democrats view
this as the cost of the system that they want
to have, so this is more of a in their mind.
In their view, this is a collateral damage issue. This
is for us to have a more equitable system, we
(00:57):
have to have one that continues to allow this to happen.
And this is just going to be the way that
it is. A lot of people just reject this, and
they should reject this. But one thing I have to
point out is there are voices within the Democrat Party,
very loud ones still, that are trying to take us
(01:17):
and in this case, take New York City in the
wrong direction entirely. For this here is the likely next
mayor of New York. I know I say that in
a lot of New Yorkers listening cringe. The likely next
mayor of New York Zoran Mom, Donnie, this is cut eight.
He wants to well, you can hear it from him.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
The jail population of rikers has increased since Eric Adams
has come into office by more than a thousand additional
incarcerated New Yorkers. And what is quite staggering to me
is that we know that we can reduce that jail
population to less than four thousand, and Vital City had
an article about a number of different proposals that could
reduce it to thirty seven hundred and some of this
(02:00):
also just has to look at the average stay on
rikers in the nineties was fifty days. Now it's more
than one hundred. There are more than fifteen hundred people
on rikers who have been held there for more than
a year. So I do think many of the reforms
that have to be made are also reforms around the
court system.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Clay the idea that there should be fewer incarcerations in
New York City, you know, he should have to if
anyone was going to be able to force him on
this issue. What are people incarcerated for that you think
they should just be roaming the streets and shouldn't have
to and shouldn't be taken out of the general population
(02:37):
for a period of comic What are these crimes and
also how many times have those crimes been committed? They
should start to have to show show me who's in
Rikers who really doesn't belong in Rikers. That's what I
want to know, because to speak about this in generalities
is to get away with just sounding like you're someone
who's merciful or somebody wants to give people second chances.
(03:01):
Most of the people who are in rankers have been
given fifteen chances. Yeah, And I again this comes back
to what are your priorities.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Do you want to give people who are good, honest,
hardworking people protection and opportunity in the country to have
the absolute apex level of success or do you want
to give people who are career criminals and opportunity to
(03:33):
get back on the streets. Even the phrase career criminals
it acknowledges that this exists.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
It shouldn't exist.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And I think what's so important about this is they
will pick and choose random convictions and say, do you
think this person should be in prison because they they're.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Always pleading down.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And I think we need to have a bigger conversation
so people can understand how this happens. It's very expensive
to get someone convicted, and very often the police will
charge someone. The DA will charge someone after a police
investigation with seven different crimes. And if you go look
at the seven different crimes, the top level crime will
(04:22):
lead to years in prison. The bottom level crime might
be a misdemeanor. And we have overworked oftentimes prosecutors and
they are judged on their conviction rates. And if someone says, hey,
we'll plead guilty to this misdemeanor or this low level felony,
then they get sentence based on that, they get virtually
(04:44):
no penalty. And then someone like mom Donnie looks at
this and says, well, look, this person only so here
all the time. Oh, this person only stole you know,
I don't know. They stole a cell phone on the street.
And you're like, well, actually they sold itself on a
street during an armed robbery that they also pistol whipped someone.
(05:07):
And they plead guilty to some sort of low level
felony or even a high level misdemeanor, and that is
understood to be the totality of their crime. And we
need to have real conversations about how these people are
being sentenced.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So I look it up and just to give you
all a sense of it, in New York State and
in the penal system in New York State, the average,
the average that somebody who is serving a carceral sentence
spending time actually in prison average convictions three. And there
are many, many, many who are in there.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
For far more than three. But there are some who
are in there.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Now you get into well, what about somebody's only in
there for the first time or you know, the first
or second offense. Generally those are going to be pretty
serious offenses, because they really don't lock people up for
lesser offenses the first time, the second time, maybe the
third time around.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And we have the.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Data to show that there are people who have been arrested. Well,
here you go, this guy who just stabbed Arena Zerutzka
in the neck to death.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
He was arrested I think fourteen times was what they said.
Fourteen times.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's right, And you have to wonder at the same time,
Clay that these Democrat cities, Democrat run cities with Democrat
mayors and police commissioners and city councils, and they're the
ones determining that, you know, social justice needs to go
ahead of actual criminal justice. They're also very intent on
disarming generally, not everywhere, not in a place necessarily North Carolina,
(06:37):
but in New York City and Chicago and DC. Their
intent on disarming the law abiding. So we know that
they cannot protect us. We can tell you with certainty
that the City of Chicago is failing to protect law
abiding residents in the way that it should. At the
same time, it makes it very hard, in fact, makes
it illegal. They will criminalize your efforts to protect yourself
(07:02):
in the city of Chicago by trying to carry a
firearm as a law abiding American. You can't be law
abiding in Chicago if you're going to do that same thing.
In DC, they play all these games. Now technically DC,
I think you can get a permit, and they make
it really hard to get a permit, and you know,
there's all these hoops you jump, the same thing in
New York City, they always make it really difficult. So
I just clay as somebody who is a big to
(07:23):
a believer, and you know, lives that life and has
guns in several places, many places in my own home.
The fact that these cities are choosing not to protect
you as much as they could as a law abiding
individual and making sure that you can't protect yourself is
even more galling. You know, it's even more egregious when
(07:43):
you add I think those two things together, I.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Think completely, and you know, you start to analyze all
of this and you realize what it really.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Boils down to is.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Democrats have convinced that that and and it really is
across the board that everything should be reflective of overall population.
And this is why I look at and think that
the story of Asian success in this country is so
difficult for people to analyze. Right, if America is a
(08:20):
profoundly racist country, how are Asian men the highest earning
subgroup of race and gender anywhere in the country. That
would be impossible, right, And what they want is for
incarceration rates to directly reflect what the population at large
is really. I mean, that's where there are arguments that
(08:41):
they're saying, oh, it's profoundly racist, and this is why
we always they want to quote a system for the
incarcerated basically, basically, and they want this idea to be like, Hey,
we want even this of arrest rates and everything else,
which is why we come back on this show all
the time too. Let's look at the most serious crime
can be committed, murder, and let's analyze that. Honestly, who's
(09:04):
committing murders? Probably? I think this is a fair This
is a fair argument to be made. Maybe some of
you could come up with why this is wrong. I
would submit to you that murder rates when it comes
to violent crime, are roughly reflective of all violent crime
rates all the way down violent crime.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Does it make sense to you?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I think it probably does that if a certain racial
group commits a certain rate of violent crime for murder,
it stands to reason that the numbers would remain somewhat
similar down the flow.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So well, I mean I can give you this Riker's
Island across all categorizations of crime is ninety percent Black
and Hispanic. Yeah, nine zero, right, So that's not obviously
just murders, that's just any crime. So if you're looking
at violent crime, yes, the numbers will show that the
disparity that exists with murder is going to also play
out with arm robbery, carjacking, you know, assault with the
(10:02):
deadly weapon and so on.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
In other words, there aren't that many gram Odds or
Grandpas for that matter, that are engaging in extreme rates
of violent crime. Look, testosterone is basically a proxy for
rates of violent crime in many ways. Right, Men who
are primarily young men, young boys sixteen to forty five,
(10:25):
as male testosterone levels are at their highest, tend to
commit overall incredibly high rates of violent crime. And those
are the people who are going to be incarcerated. And
so if you can't have and this is the problem
the left has, you can't have a conversation with them
about this because one they'll say, well, this is, as
Momdannie did, evidence of systemic racism. Two they then go
(10:48):
into why criminals aren't responsible for the crimes that they commit,
because that's really where this soft on crime status comes from.
It is, oh, well poverty cause this, or oh lack
of education caused this, or oh American capitalism's failures caused this.
(11:10):
But Buck, you hit me with a great stat that
I think really kind of throws this into an uproar.
It is young poor Asian men in New York City
do not commit anywhere near the rates of violent crime
that young black men do. So if you just go
and layer this even on poverty, and that's where to me,
(11:32):
if you want to talk big picture, why this happens.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
To me, it's it's absent dads.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I think ninety percent of all the ills that exist
in society, this is my soapbox, would be solved if
dads are involved in the raising of children. The data
reflects almost if you layer rates of violent crime on
absent dads, it's almost a direct response, right everybody, Young
(11:58):
men engage in overwhelmingly higher rates of violent crime when
dad is at home, and that uniquely afflicts the black population.
And by the way, it also calls into question the
racism argument because rates of absent fatherhood actually were very
low comparatively in the nineteen fifties before the Civil rights movement.
(12:22):
The black family was actually much stronger as a unit,
nuclear family in the nineteen fifties than it is in
the twenty twenties. Why would that be If racism, which
I think everybody would acknowledge, was far stronger in the
nineteen fifties than it is today, why would the black
family have become so much of a weaker unit over
the last seventy years.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
It's not racism.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
If anything, the black family should have been the weakest
in the nineteen fifties because it wasn't that long in
the grand scheme of things, since slavery had ended. It's
actually now weaker than it was in the nineteen fifties.
And those are tough questions that left wingers really can't answer.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Short answer is Democrat policies and great society welfare. All
that stuff made it all worse. Yeah, I made family
formation worse across across the board, but particularly the number
show has been a huge problem for the widespread disintegration
of the nuclear family among the black community, which is
(13:20):
I mean in rates, the rates in places like Chicago,
I think it's seventy seventy percent of children of black
children who are born in Chicago or are out of
wedlock don't have a mom and a dad at home.
It's something like that. That's very something like that. Nationwide.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I think it's seventy five percent almost nationwide of young
black kids are born without a dad at home. And
it used to be buck. I think in the nineteen
fifties it was fifteen percent. So think about think about that,
I mean, think about That's that.
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Welcome Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We should
mention that all of the jobs data was cooked, and
it was cooked in favor of Joe Biden for much
of the last year. They just came out and announced
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This mat because I think they were cooking the books
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Biden when they thought that he was going to be
running and he was going to say, look at how
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number of jobs that were created and gives you, guys
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it's evidence yet again that Jerome Powell, the head of
the Fed, has been too late to act. Now there's
expected to be a rate cut next month. There expected
to be multiple rate cuts between now and the end
of the year. But Buck, this is what your lion
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in November and saying, boy, it really doesn't feel like
this Biden economy is actually going that well.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Isn't it amazing how much they hid from the public
about Biden? Really, when you add it all together, we
talk a lot about the dementia and the the too
old to do the job thing, but he had really
the last gasp. I think Clay of the legacy media
running constant interference for him, and it even still wasn't enough.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They went all in on Biden, all in on the
Biden economy, all in on Biden's doing a great job.
You know, head, give a job Biden, and yet Trump
came in destroyed him in a debate, and then Kamala
was their last minute, last hope.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It just goes to show you.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I don't think the the old media, legacy media, whatever
you want to call them, they're never recovering this, never
coming back. I think that Biden was their last gasp
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points to go in one direction or another. And the economy,
the Biden economy, is just another example of the kind
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All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Caroline Levett,
White House Press Secretary, is speaking about the de Carlos
Brown murder, alleged murder on that light rail.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Let's hear what the press secretor has to say. Play.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Yes, this monster should have been locked up and arena
should still be alive. But Democrat politicians, liberal judges, and
weak prosecutors would rather virtue signal than lock up criminals
and protect their communities. And perhaps most shamefully of all
the majority of the media. Many outlets in this room
decided that her murder was not worth reporting on originally
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because it does not fit a preferred narrative. Many of
the journalists in this room spills plenty of ink trying
to smear Daniel Penny for defending a subway car from
a deranged lunatic in New York City, but none of
those same reporters lift a finger to write stories about
an actual murderer. Here's the truth that every American must know.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Too.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Many innocent people across the country continue to pay the
price of the failed experiment known as cashless bail that
has been championed by the Democrat Party for years. All
the way back in twenty twenty, North Carolina's then Democrat
Governor Roy Cooper established a so called Task Force for
Racial Equity and Criminal Justice. Sounds nice, but it's not.
(20:16):
That task force was co authored by then Attorney General
and current Democrat Governor Josh Stein. It recommended quote reimagining
public safety to quote promote diversion and other alternatives to arrest.
It also advised to de emphasize some felony crimes, prioritize
quote restorative justice, and eliminate cash bail. Democrats in North
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Carolina in nationwide are consumed with pushing a woke, soft
on crime agenda, no matter how many innocent Americans suffer
as a result. Instead of aggressively prosecuting and locking up
violent criminals, the Democrat backed cashless bail approach lets these
criminals roam free in our country to offend again and again.
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The list policies have turned too many many of American
cities into hunting grounds for career criminals who mock our
justice system, drain law enforcement resources, and recavoc on law
abiding citizens. Enough is enough, and that is why President
Trump is doing everything in his power by taking action
to undo these absurd policies. The President recently signed a
(21:22):
powerful executive order directing the AG to submit a list
of states in local jurisdictions with cashless bail policies so
that the Trump administration may identify federal funds that can
are being provided to these states and can potentially be
suspended or terminated. President Trump firmly believes that to maintain
order in public safety, we must incarcerate individuals whose pending
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criminal charges or criminal history demonstrate a clear ongoing risk
to civil society. This is a common sense and sensible
approach that the vast majority of Americans agree with, and
it's time for the Democrat Party to get on board
with what is right. When these criminals are caught, they
must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
and be sent to prison where they can no longer
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terrorize our streets. This is the mandate the American people
delivered to President Trump, and it's a mandate he intends
to fulfill. Staying on the topic of public safety, new
preliminary data released today by Customs and Border Protection in
August shows that President Trump has delivered the most secure
border in American history. For the fourth straight month, zero
(22:29):
illegal aliens were released into the United States.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
All right, so Clay, let's come back here. Though, I
will say that's a very important statue. Just through out there,
she was switching that the border is entirely secure. I
want to get to the conversation about criminal justice, of course,
but she just threw that in there at the end
as we were transitioning out of our live feed. The
borders is secure in terms of illegal alien crossings. This
(22:54):
isn't if you had told me that Trump had achieved
in eighty percent or ninety percent reduction, I would say, wow,
that's that's really a remarkable turnaround, great success. It's more
like a ninety nine point something percent reduction. It's it's
almost a total a totally secure border, at least when
it comes to illegal crossings. So that's one piece of this.
(23:18):
But I think Caroline Levitt, obviously fired up about this
is someone she's a young woman, she's a young mom,
she's a wife. She has to you know, she knows
where it is to be on public transit. She probably
takes the subway in d C cent a metro they
call it in DC. Sometimes I think for women in
particular Clay, who see this video, it is their worst
(23:39):
imaginable horror that they're just going through their day and
some maniac stabs them with a knife from behind for
absolutely no reason. And although I know there are people
that are starting to ask, well, what was the motivation
behind this and was there was there a hate crime
angle to this notice that's not being talked about very much,
but none the less, Clay, the feelings that people have
(24:03):
about this coming out right now, I think it's important,
it's powerful, and it's good that the White House is
addressing it.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, and again the end goal here should be we
should drive down.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
The number of murders in this country massively.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
And I just this is one of those things that
sometimes I can't believe that Democrats are lined up in
opposition to this, because I just don't see this as
a remotely part is an issue everyone out there should
be in favor of way lower rates of violent crime.
And for Democrats basically to come out and say, well,
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rates of violent crime are actually getting better, Okay, I
hope that's true to a large extent. Better just means
we're going back to what the numbers looked like before
the BLM protests and COVID that was still too high.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
So I don't understand why you wouldn't extend your hand.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I give edit to Mayor Muriel Bowser of DC for saying,
this is something I want to work with the president on.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Let's actually make it safer. Buck.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I saw the numbers shared the other day. Murders are
down sixty percent in Washington, D C. Since Trump mobilized
a national guard and took control of the crime issues
in Washington, D C.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That he can do that over the course of a
year or over the course of a couple of years.
I would hope that he can. But even if he can't,
there are dozens of kids and I say kids because
most of them are young, that are going to be
walking around in DC this fall that would otherwise be
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dead if the president hadn't taken that action. How can
you say that's a bad thing. And the number of
left wing white people, because I look at these protests
and it's all white people walking around saying, we don't
want more troops on the streets, we don't want more cops.
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They live in such a crazy fantasy world and their
brains are so broken that what they're basically doing is
marching in favor of violence overwhelmingly directed at young black
and brown people, which is ostensibly what the entire purpose
of Black Lives Matter was. Right now, it was flawed
because the premise of BLM was, oh, cops are the
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reason why young black men are being killed at high rates.
It's not actually true at all. Young black men are
being killed at high rates by other young black men.
No one, well, if you look at the data, is
able to argue anymore buck that police are somehow the problem.
You're seeing how many lives police protected, because as soon
as they weren't able to do their job, murder rates skyrocketing.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
We're also seeing a shift in perception that is related
to an old, longstanding policy of lib news organizations. And
I remember a perfect example of this is New York
One is a channel in New York Clay New York City.
That is, if if Pravda was like transported from the
(27:14):
Soviet Union to New York City, it would be New
York One. I mean, it is so left wing, it
is so all about whatever the party needs, whatever the
committee decides, of the left. But you could see there.
You could see it on local news as well, and
I would watch I watched this. I watched local news
in New York growing up right, I would watch these
different channels. Actually had an aunt who was a well
(27:35):
known local news broadcaster for many years in New York.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And she's the one with red hair for those of
you who are wondering.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And the common thing you'd see is, oh, well, there
was a report today of a of a you know,
a violent you know, violent maniac like chasing somebody and
hitting somebody in the head with a rock. And we
have a suspect here, the suspect is five foot ten,
hundred and eighty five pounds in mail.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But then they'd also sometimes show.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
The you know, they'd show like a sketch, a police sketch,
and you'd look at, okay, so this is a black guy.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
But they wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They would They would often just leave out the description
of the suspect by race. They would just describe it
as a man hundred and eighty five pounds, and this
became more and more common. Also, they remove the racial
descriptor from headlines depending on who it is. If the
white guy stab somebody in you know, stab somebody to
death in Staten Island, trust me, they're going to make
sure you all know that it's a white guy stab
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somebody death. They do this. This has been long standing
policy that they won't describe the race of a perpetrator
if the race is black or hispanic, generally speaking local news,
a lot of others, or they'll try to bury it
far down. This has changed, though, Clay, because of body cameras,
because of surveillance cameras, and because of the free sharing
(28:57):
of that information on x SO. Now whenever there's a
really nasty crime that occurs somewhere in the country. You
know what, a producer Alley just send us something, didn't
They drive like a truck into a what was it
a watch store or something and they beat some eighty
eight year old guy. Whenever there's a really we get
(29:19):
to see who's doing it. So the media can tell
us as much as they want that we're not actually
observing a pattern. But people are observing a pattern because
they can see on the video what is happening in
this instance and in many other cases just like it.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And this is where I come back to. At its best,
the job of the media should be to take anecdote
and utilize it to tell a story about why something
larger matters, because all of us respond to individual stories
better than we do raw data.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
So you can sit back and say, hey.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
The rate of violent crime in Memphis, Tennessee is whatever
it is per one hundred thousand, and you can put
that into a flow chart, and some people you and
I would be data nerds who would look at this
and say, oh, let's address this. Most people don't respond
to numbers. They respond to story. And so the murder
(30:21):
of the twenty three year old young Ukrainian girl on
video as it was is actually illustrative of rates of
violent crime that are too high, and so the same
thing happening with Lake and Riley and her murder an
in Athens, Georgia. All of these are crystallizing larger issues
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that exist. The problem with left wing media is they
largely tell stories that are not representative of larger issues.
Like I don't know if you talked about this yesterday,
but compare how Daniel Penny on public transit in New
York City responding to a violent person who has a
(31:07):
long history of crimes in the past, who was making
threats on public transportation. Look get how that response was covered.
I mean they charged him with a crime. Compared to
how it's been covered in the Washington Post, for instance,
or MSNBC and CNN what happened on the public transit
(31:29):
in Charlotte, I mean, it's impossible to justify that from
a news gathering perspective.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
You know, The.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Blaze and others have reported this Clay, but I haven't
seen this getting more widespread coverage yet. But we looked
into this, We've played the audio, we've put it through Grock,
we've put it.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Through by the way.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
AI also is playing a role in all of this too,
because people can get instantaneous answers about so much now
without the filter of communists running Google is a fantastic tool.
But when you look at groc de Carlos Brown, the
guy who stabbed this girl, and people get sometimes frust
with me say allegedly, I mean technically it is allegedly.
He hasn't you know, he hasn't actually been convicted yet.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But we saw on video he says, uh, I got
that white girl. I got that.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
White girl multiple times on the video. That seems like
a assuming that that is factual and accurate, which again
the Blaze where I used to work, has reported this
as accurate and the video is out there, that seems
to be another detail of the story that people should
become familiar with and understand. Well, that changes things a
bit as well, doesn't it. And when we look at motivation,
(32:43):
I'm with.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
You, we'll come back to this where hate crimes in general,
I think, are I care about the crime not as
much the motivation for why the crime was done. But again,
if this is one of those situations where you say,
if we reverse the races, if a white guy stabbed
a little, you know, young innocent black girl like this
(33:04):
young innocent white girl was. And then the white guy
is saying, I got that black girl. I got that
black girl. It's the lead story on CNN, MSNBC, the
New York Times, in the Washington Post. Four weeks there
might well be riots in the streets, all of that.
And now this has happened in Charlotte, and to a
(33:25):
large extent, much of the audience that consumes that video,
that those those outlets, has no idea what happened. Okay,
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Speaker 5 (35:12):
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Speaker 4 (35:13):
Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. A lot of talkbacks rolling in. We're
gonna go at the top of the next hour, Buck
to North Carolina and speak with Congressman Tim Moore about
the murder. There is more video that has been released
of the twenty three year old girl being stabbed to
death on the Charlotte Public transport. Nobody comes to or
(35:37):
eight at least in the video that I have seen,
and the producer ali, if you can pull yourself up here,
you listen to the audio, and it does sound like
he's saying, got that white girl.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yes, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
So again I would just ask all of you buck
if this happens. The New York Times, the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN,
for weeks we are hearing about how we need to
have a national conversation about racism in the country.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Cities may well have burned.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
They are mostly not covering it, or they're only covering
it through the prism of Oh right wing media is
paying attention to this story. Yeah, this is not a
republican's pounce story, despite what CNN and The New York
Times and others would like to pretend. It's not about
pouncing for political purposes here. This is about.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
People seeing what is going on, being fed up with
it and wanting it to stop, and having solutions. By
the way, we're not just saying do something. We're telling
people what needs to be done. Trump is telling people
what needs to be done. And now it's just a
question whether the political will is there to make us
safe in this country. We will dive into this more
(36:54):
in the third hour stick Around
Welcome everybody to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Our two so much to discuss.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
White House is set to brief here shortly on well
a whole range of things, but they're going to talk
to us about the murder in Charlotte on the light
rail system that occurred, the video which has gotten so
many people all across the country honestly just outrage at
the failures of the system and the decision. I should say,
(00:32):
I'm not even sure we could call it a failure
of the system, Clay, because I think increasingly Democrats view
this as the cost of the system that they want
to have, so this is more of a in their mind.
In their view, this is a collateral damage issue. This
is for us to have a more equitable system, we
(00:57):
have to have one that continues to allow this to happen.
And this is just going to be the way that
it is. A lot of people just reject this, and
they should reject this. But one thing I have to
point out is there are voices within the Democrat Party,
very loud ones still, that are trying to take us
(01:17):
and in this case, take New York City in the
wrong direction entirely. For this here is the likely next
mayor of New York. I know I say that in
a lot of New Yorkers listening cringe. The likely next
mayor of New York Zoran Mom, Donnie, this is cut eight.
He wants to well, you can hear it from him.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
The jail population of rikers has increased since Eric Adams
has come into office by more than a thousand additional
incarcerated New Yorkers. And what is quite staggering to me
is that we know that we can reduce that jail
population to less than four thousand, and Vital City had
an article about a number of different proposals that could
reduce it to thirty seven hundred and some of this
(02:00):
also just has to look at the average stay on
rikers in the nineties was fifty days. Now it's more
than one hundred. There are more than fifteen hundred people
on rikers who have been held there for more than
a year. So I do think many of the reforms
that have to be made are also reforms around the
court system.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Clay the idea that there should be fewer incarcerations in
New York City, you know, he should have to if
anyone was going to be able to force him on
this issue. What are people incarcerated for that you think
they should just be roaming the streets and shouldn't have
to and shouldn't be taken out of the general population
(02:37):
for a period of comic What are these crimes and
also how many times have those crimes been committed? They
should start to have to show show me who's in
Rikers who really doesn't belong in Rikers. That's what I
want to know, because to speak about this in generalities
is to get away with just sounding like you're someone
who's merciful or somebody wants to give people second chances.
(03:01):
Most of the people who are in rankers have been
given fifteen chances. Yeah, And I again this comes back
to what are your priorities.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Do you want to give people who are good, honest,
hardworking people protection and opportunity in the country to have
the absolute apex level of success or do you want
to give people who are career criminals and opportunity to
(03:33):
get back on the streets. Even the phrase career criminals
it acknowledges that this exists.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
It shouldn't exist.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And I think what's so important about this is they
will pick and choose random convictions and say, do you
think this person should be in prison because they they're.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Always pleading down.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And I think we need to have a bigger conversation
so people can understand how this happens. It's very expensive
to get someone convicted, and very often the police will
charge someone. The DA will charge someone after a police
investigation with seven different crimes. And if you go look
at the seven different crimes, the top level crime will
(04:22):
lead to years in prison. The bottom level crime might
be a misdemeanor. And we have overworked oftentimes prosecutors and
they are judged on their conviction rates. And if someone says, hey,
we'll plead guilty to this misdemeanor or this low level felony,
then they get sentence based on that, they get virtually
(04:44):
no penalty. And then someone like mom Donnie looks at
this and says, well, look, this person only so here
all the time. Oh, this person only stole you know,
I don't know. They stole a cell phone on the street.
And you're like, well, actually they sold itself on a
street during an armed robbery that they also pistol whipped someone.
(05:07):
And they plead guilty to some sort of low level
felony or even a high level misdemeanor, and that is
understood to be the totality of their crime. And we
need to have real conversations about how these people are
being sentenced.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So I look it up and just to give you
all a sense of it, in New York State and
in the penal system in New York State, the average,
the average that somebody who is serving a carceral sentence
spending time actually in prison average convictions three. And there
are many, many, many who are in there.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
For far more than three. But there are some who
are in there.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Now you get into well, what about somebody's only in
there for the first time or you know, the first
or second offense. Generally those are going to be pretty
serious offenses, because they really don't lock people up for
lesser offenses the first time, the second time, maybe the
third time around.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And we have the.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Data to show that there are people who have been arrested. Well,
here you go, this guy who just stabbed Arena Zerutzka
in the neck to death.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
He was arrested I think fourteen times was what they said.
Fourteen times.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's right, And you have to wonder at the same time,
Clay that these Democrat cities, Democrat run cities with Democrat
mayors and police commissioners and city councils, and they're the
ones determining that, you know, social justice needs to go
ahead of actual criminal justice. They're also very intent on
disarming generally, not everywhere, not in a place necessarily North Carolina,
(06:37):
but in New York City and Chicago and DC. Their
intent on disarming the law abiding. So we know that
they cannot protect us. We can tell you with certainty
that the City of Chicago is failing to protect law
abiding residents in the way that it should. At the
same time, it makes it very hard, in fact, makes
it illegal. They will criminalize your efforts to protect yourself
(07:02):
in the city of Chicago by trying to carry a
firearm as a law abiding American. You can't be law
abiding in Chicago if you're going to do that same thing.
In DC, they play all these games. Now technically DC,
I think you can get a permit, and they make
it really hard to get a permit, and you know,
there's all these hoops you jump, the same thing in
New York City, they always make it really difficult. So
I just clay as somebody who is a big to
(07:23):
a believer, and you know, lives that life and has
guns in several places, many places in my own home.
The fact that these cities are choosing not to protect
you as much as they could as a law abiding
individual and making sure that you can't protect yourself is
even more galling. You know, it's even more egregious when
(07:43):
you add I think those two things together, I.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Think completely, and you know, you start to analyze all
of this and you realize what it really.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Boils down to is.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Democrats have convinced that that and and it really is
across the board that everything should be reflective of overall population.
And this is why I look at and think that
the story of Asian success in this country is so
difficult for people to analyze. Right, if America is a
(08:20):
profoundly racist country, how are Asian men the highest earning
subgroup of race and gender anywhere in the country. That
would be impossible, right, And what they want is for
incarceration rates to directly reflect what the population at large
is really. I mean, that's where there are arguments that
(08:41):
they're saying, oh, it's profoundly racist, and this is why
we always they want to quote a system for the
incarcerated basically, basically, and they want this idea to be like, Hey,
we want even this of arrest rates and everything else,
which is why we come back on this show all
the time too. Let's look at the most serious crime
can be committed, murder, and let's analyze that. Honestly, who's
(09:04):
committing murders? Probably? I think this is a fair This
is a fair argument to be made. Maybe some of
you could come up with why this is wrong. I
would submit to you that murder rates when it comes
to violent crime, are roughly reflective of all violent crime
rates all the way down violent crime.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Does it make sense to you?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I think it probably does that if a certain racial
group commits a certain rate of violent crime for murder,
it stands to reason that the numbers would remain somewhat
similar down the flow.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So well, I mean I can give you this Riker's
Island across all categorizations of crime is ninety percent Black
and Hispanic. Yeah, nine zero, right, So that's not obviously
just murders, that's just any crime. So if you're looking
at violent crime, yes, the numbers will show that the
disparity that exists with murder is going to also play
out with arm robbery, carjacking, you know, assault with the
(10:02):
deadly weapon and so on.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
In other words, there aren't that many gram Odds or
Grandpas for that matter, that are engaging in extreme rates
of violent crime. Look, testosterone is basically a proxy for
rates of violent crime in many ways. Right, Men who
are primarily young men, young boys sixteen to forty five,
(10:25):
as male testosterone levels are at their highest, tend to
commit overall incredibly high rates of violent crime. And those
are the people who are going to be incarcerated. And
so if you can't have and this is the problem
the left has, you can't have a conversation with them
about this because one they'll say, well, this is, as
Momdannie did, evidence of systemic racism. Two they then go
(10:48):
into why criminals aren't responsible for the crimes that they commit,
because that's really where this soft on crime status comes from.
It is, oh, well poverty cause this, or oh lack
of education caused this, or oh American capitalism's failures caused this.
(11:10):
But Buck, you hit me with a great stat that
I think really kind of throws this into an uproar.
It is young poor Asian men in New York City
do not commit anywhere near the rates of violent crime
that young black men do. So if you just go
and layer this even on poverty, and that's where to me,
(11:32):
if you want to talk big picture, why this happens.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
To me, it's it's absent dads.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I think ninety percent of all the ills that exist
in society, this is my soapbox, would be solved if
dads are involved in the raising of children. The data
reflects almost if you layer rates of violent crime on
absent dads, it's almost a direct response, right everybody, Young
(11:58):
men engage in overwhelmingly higher rates of violent crime when
dad is at home, and that uniquely afflicts the black population.
And by the way, it also calls into question the
racism argument because rates of absent fatherhood actually were very
low comparatively in the nineteen fifties before the Civil rights movement.
(12:22):
The black family was actually much stronger as a unit,
nuclear family in the nineteen fifties than it is in
the twenty twenties. Why would that be If racism, which
I think everybody would acknowledge, was far stronger in the
nineteen fifties than it is today, why would the black
family have become so much of a weaker unit over
the last seventy years.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
It's not racism.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
If anything, the black family should have been the weakest
in the nineteen fifties because it wasn't that long in
the grand scheme of things, since slavery had ended. It's
actually now weaker than it was in the nineteen fifties.
And those are tough questions that left wingers really can't answer.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Short answer is Democrat policies and great society welfare. All
that stuff made it all worse. Yeah, I made family
formation worse across across the board, but particularly the number
show has been a huge problem for the widespread disintegration
of the nuclear family among the black community, which is
(13:20):
I mean in rates, the rates in places like Chicago,
I think it's seventy seventy percent of children of black
children who are born in Chicago or are out of
wedlock don't have a mom and a dad at home.
It's something like that. That's very something like that. Nationwide.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I think it's seventy five percent almost nationwide of young
black kids are born without a dad at home. And
it used to be buck. I think in the nineteen
fifties it was fifteen percent. So think about think about that,
I mean, think about That's that.
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mention that all of the jobs data was cooked, and
it was cooked in favor of Joe Biden for much
of the last year. They just came out and announced
(15:45):
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created beginning in March of twenty four. I believe it
was all the way up to March of twenty five.
This mat because I think they were cooking the books
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this Biden economy is actually going that well.
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Isn't it amazing how much they hid from the public
about Biden? Really, when you add it all together, we
talk a lot about the dementia and the the too
old to do the job thing, but he had really
the last gasp. I think Clay of the legacy media
running constant interference for him, and it even still wasn't enough.
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Right.
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White House Press Secretary, is speaking about the de Carlos
Brown murder, alleged murder on that light rail.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Let's hear what the press secretor has to say. Play.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Yes, this monster should have been locked up and arena
should still be alive. But Democrat politicians, liberal judges, and
weak prosecutors would rather virtue signal than lock up criminals
and protect their communities. And perhaps most shamefully of all
the majority of the media. Many outlets in this room
decided that her murder was not worth reporting on originally
(19:32):
because it does not fit a preferred narrative. Many of
the journalists in this room spills plenty of ink trying
to smear Daniel Penny for defending a subway car from
a deranged lunatic in New York City, but none of
those same reporters lift a finger to write stories about
an actual murderer. Here's the truth that every American must know.
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and current Democrat Governor Josh Stein. It recommended quote reimagining
public safety to quote promote diversion and other alternatives to arrest.
It also advised to de emphasize some felony crimes, prioritize
quote restorative justice, and eliminate cash bail. Democrats in North
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Carolina in nationwide are consumed with pushing a woke, soft
on crime agenda, no matter how many innocent Americans suffer
as a result. Instead of aggressively prosecuting and locking up
violent criminals, the Democrat backed cashless bail approach lets these
criminals roam free in our country to offend again and again.
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The list policies have turned too many many of American
cities into hunting grounds for career criminals who mock our
justice system, drain law enforcement resources, and recavoc on law
abiding citizens. Enough is enough, and that is why President
Trump is doing everything in his power by taking action
to undo these absurd policies. The President recently signed a
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powerful executive order directing the AG to submit a list
of states in local jurisdictions with cashless bail policies so
that the Trump administration may identify federal funds that can
are being provided to these states and can potentially be
suspended or terminated. President Trump firmly believes that to maintain
order in public safety, we must incarcerate individuals whose pending
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criminal charges or criminal history demonstrate a clear ongoing risk
to civil society. This is a common sense and sensible
approach that the vast majority of Americans agree with, and
it's time for the Democrat Party to get on board
with what is right. When these criminals are caught, they
must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
and be sent to prison where they can no longer
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terrorize our streets. This is the mandate the American people
delivered to President Trump, and it's a mandate he intends
to fulfill. Staying on the topic of public safety, new
preliminary data released today by Customs and Border Protection in
August shows that President Trump has delivered the most secure
border in American history. For the fourth straight month, zero
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illegal aliens were released into the United States.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
All right, so Clay, let's come back here. Though, I
will say that's a very important statue. Just through out there,
she was switching that the border is entirely secure. I
want to get to the conversation about criminal justice, of course,
but she just threw that in there at the end
as we were transitioning out of our live feed. The
borders is secure in terms of illegal alien crossings. This
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isn't if you had told me that Trump had achieved
in eighty percent or ninety percent reduction, I would say, wow,
that's that's really a remarkable turnaround, great success. It's more
like a ninety nine point something percent reduction. It's it's
almost a total a totally secure border, at least when
it comes to illegal crossings. So that's one piece of this.
(23:18):
But I think Caroline Levitt, obviously fired up about this
is someone she's a young woman, she's a young mom,
she's a wife. She has to you know, she knows
where it is to be on public transit. She probably
takes the subway in d C cent a metro they
call it in DC. Sometimes I think for women in
particular Clay, who see this video, it is their worst
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imaginable horror that they're just going through their day and
some maniac stabs them with a knife from behind for
absolutely no reason. And although I know there are people
that are starting to ask, well, what was the motivation
behind this and was there was there a hate crime
angle to this notice that's not being talked about very much,
but none the less, Clay, the feelings that people have
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about this coming out right now, I think it's important,
it's powerful, and it's good that the White House is
addressing it.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, and again the end goal here should be we
should drive down.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
The number of murders in this country massively.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
And I just this is one of those things that
sometimes I can't believe that Democrats are lined up in
opposition to this, because I just don't see this as
a remotely part is an issue everyone out there should
be in favor of way lower rates of violent crime.
And for Democrats basically to come out and say, well,
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rates of violent crime are actually getting better, Okay, I
hope that's true to a large extent. Better just means
we're going back to what the numbers looked like before
the BLM protests and COVID that was still too high.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
So I don't understand why you wouldn't extend your hand.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I give edit to Mayor Muriel Bowser of DC for saying,
this is something I want to work with the president on.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Let's actually make it safer. Buck.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I saw the numbers shared the other day. Murders are
down sixty percent in Washington, D C. Since Trump mobilized
a national guard and took control of the crime issues
in Washington, D C.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That he can do that over the course of a
year or over the course of a couple of years.
I would hope that he can. But even if he can't,
there are dozens of kids and I say kids because
most of them are young, that are going to be
walking around in DC this fall that would otherwise be
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dead if the president hadn't taken that action. How can
you say that's a bad thing. And the number of
left wing white people, because I look at these protests
and it's all white people walking around saying, we don't
want more troops on the streets, we don't want more cops.
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They live in such a crazy fantasy world and their
brains are so broken that what they're basically doing is
marching in favor of violence overwhelmingly directed at young black
and brown people, which is ostensibly what the entire purpose
of Black Lives Matter was. Right now, it was flawed
because the premise of BLM was, oh, cops are the
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reason why young black men are being killed at high rates.
It's not actually true at all. Young black men are
being killed at high rates by other young black men.
No one, well, if you look at the data, is
able to argue anymore buck that police are somehow the problem.
You're seeing how many lives police protected, because as soon
as they weren't able to do their job, murder rates skyrocketing.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
We're also seeing a shift in perception that is related
to an old, longstanding policy of lib news organizations. And
I remember a perfect example of this is New York
One is a channel in New York Clay New York City.
That is, if if Pravda was like transported from the
(27:14):
Soviet Union to New York City, it would be New
York One. I mean, it is so left wing, it
is so all about whatever the party needs, whatever the
committee decides, of the left. But you could see there.
You could see it on local news as well, and
I would watch I watched this. I watched local news
in New York growing up right, I would watch these
different channels. Actually had an aunt who was a well
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known local news broadcaster for many years in New York.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And she's the one with red hair for those of
you who are wondering.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And the common thing you'd see is, oh, well, there
was a report today of a of a you know,
a violent you know, violent maniac like chasing somebody and
hitting somebody in the head with a rock. And we
have a suspect here, the suspect is five foot ten,
hundred and eighty five pounds in mail.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But then they'd also sometimes show.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
The you know, they'd show like a sketch, a police sketch,
and you'd look at, okay, so this is a black guy.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
But they wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They would They would often just leave out the description
of the suspect by race. They would just describe it
as a man hundred and eighty five pounds, and this
became more and more common. Also, they remove the racial
descriptor from headlines depending on who it is. If the
white guy stab somebody in you know, stab somebody to
death in Staten Island, trust me, they're going to make
sure you all know that it's a white guy stab
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somebody death. They do this. This has been long standing
policy that they won't describe the race of a perpetrator
if the race is black or hispanic, generally speaking local news,
a lot of others, or they'll try to bury it
far down. This has changed, though, Clay, because of body cameras,
because of surveillance cameras, and because of the free sharing
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of that information on x SO. Now whenever there's a
really nasty crime that occurs somewhere in the country. You
know what, a producer Alley just send us something, didn't
They drive like a truck into a what was it
a watch store or something and they beat some eighty
eight year old guy. Whenever there's a really we get
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to see who's doing it. So the media can tell
us as much as they want that we're not actually
observing a pattern. But people are observing a pattern because
they can see on the video what is happening in
this instance and in many other cases just like it.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And this is where I come back to. At its best,
the job of the media should be to take anecdote
and utilize it to tell a story about why something
larger matters, because all of us respond to individual stories
better than we do raw data.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
So you can sit back and say, hey.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
The rate of violent crime in Memphis, Tennessee is whatever
it is per one hundred thousand, and you can put
that into a flow chart, and some people you and
I would be data nerds who would look at this
and say, oh, let's address this. Most people don't respond
to numbers. They respond to story. And so the murder
(30:21):
of the twenty three year old young Ukrainian girl on
video as it was is actually illustrative of rates of
violent crime that are too high, and so the same
thing happening with Lake and Riley and her murder an
in Athens, Georgia. All of these are crystallizing larger issues
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that exist. The problem with left wing media is they
largely tell stories that are not representative of larger issues.
Like I don't know if you talked about this yesterday,
but compare how Daniel Penny on public transit in New
York City responding to a violent person who has a
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long history of crimes in the past, who was making
threats on public transportation. Look get how that response was covered.
I mean they charged him with a crime. Compared to
how it's been covered in the Washington Post, for instance,
or MSNBC and CNN what happened on the public transit
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in Charlotte, I mean, it's impossible to justify that from
a news gathering perspective.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
You know, The.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Blaze and others have reported this Clay, but I haven't
seen this getting more widespread coverage yet. But we looked
into this, We've played the audio, we've put it through Grock,
we've put it.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Through by the way.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
AI also is playing a role in all of this too,
because people can get instantaneous answers about so much now
without the filter of communists running Google is a fantastic tool.
But when you look at groc de Carlos Brown, the
guy who stabbed this girl, and people get sometimes frust
with me say allegedly, I mean technically it is allegedly.
He hasn't you know, he hasn't actually been convicted yet.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But we saw on video he says, uh, I got
that white girl. I got that.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
White girl multiple times on the video. That seems like
a assuming that that is factual and accurate, which again
the Blaze where I used to work, has reported this
as accurate and the video is out there, that seems
to be another detail of the story that people should
become familiar with and understand. Well, that changes things a
bit as well, doesn't it. And when we look at motivation,
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I'm with.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
You, we'll come back to this where hate crimes in general,
I think, are I care about the crime not as
much the motivation for why the crime was done. But again,
if this is one of those situations where you say,
if we reverse the races, if a white guy stabbed
a little, you know, young innocent black girl like this
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young innocent white girl was. And then the white guy
is saying, I got that black girl. I got that
black girl. It's the lead story on CNN, MSNBC, the
New York Times, in the Washington Post. Four weeks there
might well be riots in the streets, all of that.
And now this has happened in Charlotte, and to a
(33:25):
large extent, much of the audience that consumes that video,
that those those outlets, has no idea what happened. Okay,
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Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. A lot of talkbacks rolling in. We're
gonna go at the top of the next hour, Buck
to North Carolina and speak with Congressman Tim Moore about
the murder. There is more video that has been released
of the twenty three year old girl being stabbed to
death on the Charlotte Public transport. Nobody comes to or
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eight at least in the video that I have seen,
and the producer ali, if you can pull yourself up here,
you listen to the audio, and it does sound like
he's saying, got that white girl.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yes, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
So again I would just ask all of you buck
if this happens. The New York Times, the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN,
for weeks we are hearing about how we need to
have a national conversation about racism in the country.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Cities may well have burned.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
They are mostly not covering it, or they're only covering
it through the prism of Oh right wing media is
paying attention to this story. Yeah, this is not a
republican's pounce story, despite what CNN and The New York
Times and others would like to pretend. It's not about
pouncing for political purposes here. This is about.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
People seeing what is going on, being fed up with
it and wanting it to stop, and having solutions. By
the way, we're not just saying do something. We're telling
people what needs to be done. Trump is telling people
what needs to be done. And now it's just a
question whether the political will is there to make us
safe in this country. We will dive into this more
(36:54):
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