September 9, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues the intense national conversation surrounding the brutal murder of Iryna Zarutska, a 23-year-old Ukrainian woman on Charlotte’s light rail system. This hour features a powerful interview with North Carolina Congressman Tim Moore, a detailed analysis of the criminal justice system’s failures, and a newly released statement from President Donald Trump. The episode is rich in SEO-relevant themes including Charlotte stabbing, violent crime in America, Trump crime policy, cashless bail, restorative justice, judicial accountability, and media bias.
Congressman Moore discusses the bipartisan outrage over the murder and the systemic breakdown that allowed a repeat offender—arrested 14 times—to remain free. Moore reveals that the magistrate judge who released the suspect, Teresa Stokes, never passed the bar exam and was appointed, not elected. He and other North Carolina Republicans are demanding her removal and drafting legislation to hold judges personally liable when their decisions lead to violent crimes. Moore also supports federal efforts to withhold funding from jurisdictions that fail to enforce cash bail policies.
The hosts and Moore emphasize the need for the full release of the stabbing video, arguing that public exposure to such evil is necessary to drive reform. They compare the media’s treatment of this case to the George Floyd incident, noting the disparity in coverage and public reaction. The video reportedly shows bystanders failing to help the victim, sparking a broader conversation about societal apathy and the erosion of basic humanity.
President Trump’s statement, aired during the hour, condemns Democrat-run cities for enabling violent crime through soft-on-crime policies. He calls for aggressive law enforcement, praises the success of his crime crackdown in Washington, D.C., and vows to make America’s cities safe again. Trump’s remarks reinforce his administration’s stance on law and order and highlight the political divide over criminal justice reform.
Listeners weigh in via talkbacks, expressing frustration over media bias, judicial leniency, and the lack of accountability. The hosts argue that restorative justice is unrealistic in cases of extreme violence and advocate for a return to traditional justice that prioritizes victims over criminals. They also highlight the role of surveillance technology and social media platforms like X in exposing crimes that legacy media often ignores.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Walk about can an Hour number three Clay Travis buck
Sexton show, appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We are joined now by North Carolina Congressman Tim Moore
leading a response to the murder of a Ukrainian woman
on the Charlotte light rail. I should mention there are
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more videos coming out of the stabbing, and you can
see no one coming to this young woman's aid, despite
the fact they can see her clearly being stabbed. I
would suggest, now, I know this is dark and it
is uncomfortable, But Congressman, as we bring you in, why
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has the full video not been released? And I don't
say that because I am in favor of showing violent acts,
but I do think it's important that we see what
actually happens. And certainly, if you think about the George
Floyd video, the entire George Floyd video was shared and
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used to drive the burning of so many American cities
and to set an artificial narrative about police. The narrative
that there is far too much violent crime and that
criminals who are arrested are let far too often back
on the streets is one that is actually accurate, and
in the case of this murder fourteen time arrested serial
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felon who finally decided that he was going to kill
and that he was going to say that he was
motivated to kill this woman because she was white. And Congressman,
you represent a part of North Carolina and also a
part of Charlotte. What is the reaction from your constituency
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and what do you think about why we have yet
to see this full video released.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show. I
wish you were under better circumstances of see the reaction
to folks that I'm hearing from back home in North
Carolina are simply the same thing that that that you hear,
the same thing that your your listeners are probably feeling
when they when they see this, when they hear about this,
it's absolutely discussed and it's a breakdown in the system.
(02:18):
And what we've seen, uh time and time again, and
certain particularly in some of the blue North Carolina is
a red county seeing a red state, but Mecklenberg is
a blue county. And we see in a lot of
cities around the country where you get these liberal judges
that get into, these liberal magistrates that come in and
they have these woke policies where they just are just
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soft on crime. And to your point, this guy, I mean,
this guy was a convicted fellow with violent violent rap sheet,
had had skipped cord in the past, had had firearms
of senses. And this guy, I mean, he should have
never been on the street where he could do this.
And and unfortunately this is not an isolated incident where
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this is just like a one off. I mean, I
would submit to you there are these things happen every
day through about our country, which is, by the way,
one reason that I'm co sponsoring with Elease defining a
bill to withhold federal funds from states and local governments
that fail to adhere to cash bail policies. You know,
(03:24):
if these guys are being held under a cash bail,
they're going to be in jail, and a lot of people,
frankly that they shouldn't even be given bond where there's
such a dead danger and a menace to society. Congressman
really should have been in jail.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Congressman, we appreciate you being being here with us, so
you have signed a letter all ten members of the
North Carolina House Republican North Carolina House, these are Republicans
obviously the demanding the removal of unelected magistrate judge Teresa
Stokes who released this repeat offender, who went on tell
us about this process and is it likely to succeed
(04:00):
to try to have this judge removed because I know
state by state these rules can be can be very different.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, So this is a magistrate judge, so she's matter
of fact, My understanding is she graduated law school, would
never even passed the bar exone. And I've been in
the law. I've been an attorney for thirty years, so
I you know, kind of know this stuff. But she
is she can be removed by the district judge. She's
not elected, and she should be And I felt so,
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you know, I mean, I represent I'm the only Republican
who represents Charlotte in Congress, and the other members of
Democrat who represents most of Charlotte. But it's just it's
just disgusting this happen, and she has no business being
a judge and being a master if she doesn't have
any better discernment than to let someone like this loose
on the streets. I mean, this guy should have been
in jail. This should have never happened.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I can't believe she didn't pass the Well, she didn't
pass the bar. But let's go into this because I
think you're raising a really interesting question. I've tried to
do the math. I've been a lawyer for twenty one
years now, so I've managed to pass a couple of
bar exams over the years. We talked about the analogy
which I've seen shared, and I do think it's an
interesting one that if you are a bartender and you
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overserve someone, and as you well know, I'm sure Congressman,
if you're a lawyer, there are significant consequences for bartenders.
At times. They can even be criminally prosecuted for overserving
people who they know are a danger to the larger community,
and they allow to engage in violent behavior as a
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result partly of their action. How do we have higher
standards for bartenders than we do for judges.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's a shame, isn't it? It certainly is. And look
for folks to run for judge, all they have to
do is be an attorney in good standing and get elected, right,
And I would say the vast majority of elective judges
do a good job. But you do have some out
there that are just say far left. But you know,
one thing we've talked about doing is actually finding is
(06:04):
to your point about like with the bartender, like in
the dram shop laws where they can be held civilly
responsible for any you know, for any prenny injuries that happens,
is all of serving someone who drinks too much when
having a rug. We're actually looking right now at personal
liability for a judge who turns someone loose and then
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goes out and commits a crime thereafter. You know, maybe
that's the way to get people's attention. I mean, that's
actually a bill that we're we're in the drafting phases
right now. Clearly we're going to you know, look at
constitutional provisions and whatnot. But I think there ought to
be some accountability. I mean, if somebody is doing something
that's bad, you ought to be responsible for.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And so what do you think about the the moves
by the federal government because of this White House the
Trump administration to at least offer up and perhaps even
get a little more forceful than that assistance from the
federal law enforcement side to try to help cities that
are truly crime plagued.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You know, it's amazing to me that we have some
of these liberal Democrat governors around the country, and I
look at what's happening in Chicago and some of these
other things. Were these some of these liberal mayors who
hate Donald Trump more than they love their communities and
more than they love and care about the people they
are supposed to represent. I mean, these some of these communities.
(07:28):
I'm I'm talking from from the district of Columbia right now, right,
I mean, and I'm in new member of Congress. I'm
been in eight months and I sewed up up here
and saw what I saw here was a frigging goat
rodeo in terms of, uh, the amount of crime and
homelessness and drugs. It's just embarrassing. And it's our nation's capital.
And and I'm glad that the president stood up and
(07:49):
you did something I sent in there, and it's actually
has a safer feeling. I hope it's sustained. But this
president has shown this is not a political stuff. The
President has offered this up to help, you know, to
help the people that live in these cities, because you
know what, when it comes to crime, it shouldn't be
Republican Democrats. But guess what these Democrats are making it
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a partisan issue, and I'm hopeful. I'm so hopeful that
the people are paying attention to this, and because where
there's an opportunity to get help, folks ought to take it,
because look, look at Chicago, they're overwhelmed. But you know,
and back in North Carolina. The point there, I think
we can kind of surgically say, in that case, it's
some of these loose bail policies being a documents on
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these liberal judges. I mean, it really is going to
require all of the love to get to make our
cities safe again.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know, Congressman, the North Carolina is a super fascinating state,
as you well know, because there's a very big difference
between let's say, the left wing college communities that encircle
some of the campuses and the people who live in
western North Carolina or the people who live in other
rural parts of North Carolina. It's a very different state,
(09:04):
meaning there's a lot of variety. But doesn't it unite
everyone to say, Hey, to your point, we just want
to be safe in the state of North Carolina, in
our big cities, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic. You hit on it,
but I talked about it earlier. I've been talking about
a lot on the show. I'm staggered that the Democrat
response to evidence of high rates of violent crime is well,
(09:26):
it's a little bit better than it used to be,
as if that's somehow a good thing.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, it's the craziest thing that I've seen. And I
will tell you that in my district that I represent,
I have urban areas in it, but I have some
very rural areas. I mean, I have a lot of
the mountains of North Carolina that were ravaged by Hurricane Kallen.
In fact, it's a big district. And what I hear
across that entire geographic area and across the political spectrum
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is people saying enough is enough of this crime and
noth is enough of a broken criminal justice system that
that that values the rights of criminals over the rights
of people who are just trying to be all abiding
citizens going about their business. I mean, think about this this.
I mean, this young lady fled Ukraine coming to America
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for for for safety is own a light rail train.
Is a passenger there, you know, as you've gotten off
work in this in this evil guy just stabs her
in the net and then the other thing on the video.
You asked about the video, I don't know why the
rest of the video hasn't been a case. I mean,
it may be the respect the victor. I don't know.
(10:40):
That's that's that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I understand that argument, but sometimes you have to see
a video in its totality to really shock the conscience.
And so I just would implore anybody listening out here
in North Carolina or and I bet you would probably
agree with me. I'll let you answer it too, But
to me, we need the full unedited video of what
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happened to understand the scope of evil, and we should
have to watch it, those of us who are adults, obviously,
to recognize what we have allowed to occur. Because it's
one thing if a violent perpetrator out of nowhere acts.
The guy was arrested fourteen times, I think the oh,
the the guy deserves a second chance, third chance. Nobody
(11:23):
deserves a fifteenth chance. I'm sorry, and so I want
to get your reaction to that. But I think we
need to stare into evil and see it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think I think people need to need to see it.
It's ugly, and there's a video that has been there's
been additional video released. I don't know if you guys
have seen this yet, but there's one showing right after
he's stabbed her and she's there and she's and nobody,
nobody on this on the damn train even is doing
anything to help her. I'm like, and I just saw
(11:56):
that maybe like fifteen minutes before I just came on
the show with you, and I'm just I'm still kind
of stunned by seeing that that no one, no other
people on that train did a thing to help this lady.
I mean, that's just that's terrible. I'm just I don't
even know what to say about it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I just it's we have we have shared these videos
and they're dark and disturbing, and I would encourage you.
I know a lot of people, kids, grandkids, they don't
need to watch this, but I think every adult, you
need to steal your soul and you need to watch
it because you need to see what evil is capable of,
and you need to look at it and you need
to think we all can do better, and we got
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to get these people off our streets and we got
to hold them accountable.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well absolutely, and this, you know, this should be a
call to action. And what's been amazing. There's been a
few of us that have been digging around trying to
find out what happened because a lot of the details
were kind of murkiest and what exactly occurred. And when
the video got released is when a few of us
were making noise about this is terrible. Why is nobody
talking about it? And then of course you guys are
(12:57):
talking about it and others are, but you know, media
is just now kind of sort of begrudgingly in some
ways coming along talking about this. And it's just, I mean,
crime is crime, and to your point, evil is evil,
and I do think there's a I mean, it's a
reminder of people to be vigilant, to be aware, to
understand that evil is out there, and that we need
to be able to protect ourselves. You know, we need
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to be able to we need to be able to
have a firearm, you able to protect ourselves from something.
But it's just it's a sad state too, when you know,
there aren't folks who when they see this, that don't
intervene and try to help and renderrate. I'm just you know,
I do think there's it's hard to watch. It's hard
to watch but you know what, we need to stare
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it in the face and we need to we need
to deal with it. But I'm gonna tell you something,
This presence not sitting either by and this Congress is
not sitting on of you by. I say, we're looking
at legislation right now. It's like nothing's enough. These communities
are going to do things that do not follow the
wall and consistent law. When it comes to cash bill,
then there's going to be exquences, and that may be
(14:01):
losing federal dollars. Who knows, that may be the only
thing that'll get some of these folkes attention.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't know, North Carolina Congress and Tim Moore, appreciate
you being with us or thank.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You thanks for having me on. Guys.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
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Speaker 3 (16:23):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. President Trump put out
a statement from the White House just a few moments
ago on what's going to mean that they taped it,
but they've put it out on the stabbing in North Carolina,
the murder of North Carolina on the light rail. We're
going to play that for you here coming up in
a second, but first we have some some talkbacks. Let's
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take from Clay's hometown Franklin, Tennessee. Jim A A hi.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Guys, Jim from Franklin, Tennessee. And I was just gonna
give a little talk back about your hypothetical that if
a white guy had said the black girl to be
news forever. My thought is that if a white guy
had entered into the life of crime the way this
black guy did. We all the judge wouldn't be worried about.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Being a racist and should probably.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Followed the law, and he'd be in jail or institutionalize
just saying I.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Think there's probably some truth to this. This is where
the phrase toxic empathy comes in. You know, we used
to say bleeding heart liberals. But an inability to hold
individuals responsible for their own individual action because you're focused
on the collective world that you see, strips away the
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entire purpose of the justice system. Because we should all
be judged on our individual actions, not our identity, which
we do not control. And that's why justice is blind,
because Lady Justice is trying to treat everybody fairly. Yes,
so we'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
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Clay trapp Us Buck Sexton Show. Look, we've got a
lot of people reacting to the heinous murder of a young,
innocent Ukrainian woman, and that includes the President of the
United States, Donald Trump, who Buck, you and I have
talked about this for years, has an innate ability to
make the people in the media who hate him talk
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about what he wants them to talk about and I
think it's going to be very difficult for them not
to cover as this video continues to come out. Let
me also say this before we play the audio. Buck,
Are you with me that the full video has to
come out or do you think that it should be
not released? What's your take on that? In general? Yes,
this should come out. It's I think that I think
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the whole video should come out. I mean I said this,
this is you know that I'm not recommending ever watched
the full video, but for people who want to understand
exactly what happened there, Yes, the full video. You know,
the full video should come out. The full George Floyd
video came.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yes, I agree with you. I think when the full
video comes out, it becomes increasingly difficult not to cover it.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
The fact that they have since by the way, this
is it far more, far more heinous than what happened
to George Floyd. I'm not comparing them. I'm just saying
in terms of let people see what they need to
see to make the judgments about what happened. That's the
comparison here.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
No doubt, Okay, here is President Trump. This is just
in the last thirty minutes or so releasing this statement.
It's two different cuts. We'll play cut one. We might
react to it. I'll call for more if we don't
want to react to it yet. But here is Trump
reacting to the murder of this young, innocent, twenty three
year old Ukrainian woman on public transit in Charlotte.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
For far too long, Americans have been forced to put
up with Democrat run cities that set loose savage, bloodthirsty
criminals to pray on innocent people, really very very innocent people.
In every place, they control radical left judges, politicians, and activists,
and they've adopted a policy of catch and release for
thugs and killers. In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the
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results of these policies when a twenty three year old
woman who came here from Ukraine met her bloody end
on a public train. A beautiful young girl that never
had problems in life, with the magnificent future in this country,
and now she's dead. She was slaughtered by a deranged
monster who was roaming free after fourteen prior arrests.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, let's play cut two here, Trump continues.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
We cannot allow it. The prave criminal element of violent
repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country.
We have to respond with force and strength. We have
to be vicious, just like they are. It's the only
thing they understand. Twenty four of the top twenty five
most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrat mayors.
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Fifty people were murdered in Chicago in recent weeks, with
hundreds being shot, and it's time to stop this madness.
The people of our country need to insist to protection, safety.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Law and order.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
We have proven that it can be done because we
did it right here in DC and District of Columbia.
The capital of America was a bloodthirsty, horrible, dangerous place,
one of the worst, and now it's a crime free
city and we're going to keep it that way. It
can be done, It can happen fast. All we want
(22:23):
is please miss the President. We need help. Chicago needs help,
Other cities needs help. We'll do what has to be
done because we're going to make America safe again, and
that includes our big cities. We're going to make those
cities safe.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Buck. This is again take away Trump and just pretend
that you had never heard anybody make any statement about
Trump in your entire life. This is the least controversial,
most non partisan goal that any politician could ever have.
There are too many murders, and we're going to do
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whatever we can to drive down the rates of violent
crime in major cities across America. Sometimes I just think
you have to step back and just look at this. Logically,
there's no way to be opposed to this.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
The Democrat apparatus would rather the murder rate continue where
it is instead of accepting that Trump is right, accepting
that the right is right, and accepting that there will
be a disproportionate rate of incarceration from increased enforcement of
the law, which will affect a very small percentage overall.
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But some black men in this country as well as
by the way, Latino men, and some jurisdictions are considerably
overrepresented in the incarceration rates. But it depends where you are.
I mean New York, for example, is a jurisdiction where that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Is the case.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And they would rather the murder rate continue than to
do those than to accept those things that those things
will happen. Trump is right, the right has been correct,
and you're going to have disproportionate or disparate impact dare
I say, from the enhanced enforcement of these laws or
really just enforcement of them and instead of giving people
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fifteenth and fiftieth chances, deciding that enough is enough. So
I think Trump is on very very solid ground with this.
And you'll notice, Clay, I read a description of restorative
justice in one of the breaks. I was just curious
to see what the I know what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I've heard people.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Talking about it for a long time. It's the kind
of idea that people who are living in some other
reality or on some other planet would come up with,
which is, we're going to have victims, I'm sorry, we're
going to have perpetrators reconcile with victims. Really, how do
you do that in a case like this? What reconciliations
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are going to be for the maniac who stabs the
girl to death in the throat for absolutely no reason
other than perhaps racial animus, which now is coming out
as well based on the audio.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
What what are you like?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
What are they even talking about when they say that
we need to have restorative just how about just justice?
How about just the closest by the way you can argue,
I think, very unfortunately, tragically, very effectively that there really is.
There's no such thing as justice, because you can't give
this girl her life back, but you can try to
stop the next one, and you can take this person
out of society so he can't threaten or harm another person,
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and you can try to prohibit or try to prevent
more of this from happening from others who see if
I do this, I'm going to be punished by this
state in a way that makes me very unhappy, you know,
not that I'm going to go to some rehabilitation center
and be treated with kid gloves.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I've got. My anger is grown All weekend I watch
this video, and that's why I think the full video
has to be released. We have to rectify the system
that we have created where we're more concerned about criminals
being treated fairly than we are innocent people being victims
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of crimes. This is basically just a balance, right, and
all of life is trying to balance equities in some way.
Who is the good person, who's the bad person? Who
behaved in a admirable fashion, who behaved in a dishonorable fashion.
How do we reconcile that in the courts. I think
what this situation is emblematic of is we have become
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far too concerned with how criminals are treated and not
concerned enough with how innocent people who are victims of
criminals are treated. This should never happen. Let me hit
some of your talkbacks. Michael in Arizona, listening on news
Talk five point fifty KFYI what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (26:48):
People are missing the big picture here. It's not just
the right Republican outrage. It should be an American outraged, liberal, independent,
non voting, non caring, white, black, green, yellow, orange, all
of it. Everybody should be outraged. You shouldn't be able
to murder something like that on a train while you're
coming home from where, just sitting there my no business
(27:09):
and get stabbed and discussing.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, I think we've said that quite a lot on
the show. This should be nonpartisan. I would echo what
he said and vip email. Kyle says the congressman we
just talked with, Tim Moore says he was surprised no
one intervened. The answer is easy, Daniel, Penny, Kyle rittenhouse.
People are scared to get involved. Now you and I
were talking. I don't know if we said this on
(27:31):
air off air. I don't think anybody can anticipate in
this situation the stabbing occurring because it occurs so rapidly.
This is not a situation where a guy's walking around
with a weapon in his hand.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
There was no warning, no warning at all. And you
can tell from the video he just stood up and stabbed.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And now what you and I have said, and again
this is in the video the congressman was referring to,
is after the stabbing, the guy walks away on the
light rail, this Charlotte Public transportation, and no one comes
to the girl's aide. That's this girl is bleeding out.
She has no real idea probably what's happened to her
(28:11):
at all, because the stabbing happens so fast, it doesn't
appear there was any conversation or any interaction between these
two at all. She gets stabbed, she looks up at him,
he walks past. The weapon is dripping blood, and other
people in that section of the train see her leaning
over as her blood is starting to pour out, as
(28:32):
her life is leaving, and no one does anything at
all to comfort her or even offer any support at all.
In fact, people stand up and walk away. Yeah, that
is the lack of humanity. We are referencing now if
this again, we're a situation where the guy's waving the
weapon around, nobody does anything. I think your written house example,
(28:56):
I think your Daniel Penny example could come into play
where I would say the Daniel any analogy Buck is
particularly apropos is how in the world can the Washington
Post and MSNBC and CNN and the New York Times,
although it did happen in New York, justify writing hundreds
of articles about Daniel Penny and his behavior and justifying
(29:19):
the priminal prosecution brought against him and largely not even
cover this story is getting to the whole time. It
shows beyond any there's no doubt about the ideological manipulation
that goes on with these kinds of stories, and either
suppression or elevation into the public consciousness, depending on whether
(29:41):
it fits a narrative that is preferable to places like
the New York Times the Washington Post. You know, it's
interesting as well. I mean that the video is. Particularly
it's horrific the additional video. As I'm watching it here, Clay,
everyone else on the train is black. She's the only
white person on the train, and they leave her, and
she is bleeding to death. I don't even see anyone
(30:04):
grab a cell phone to call the police. Yeah, call
for aid, call for an ambulance. They essentially leave her
to die. Uh And and there's no action taken from
anyone there. Now, I understand you could say, well, maybe
somebody's looking at their phone they didn't see. I'm not
indicting any individual in this video, but I'm saying collectively,
in the video, it is quite clear some people knew
(30:26):
what was what had just happened, and no one did
even the bare humanitarian minimum here, Call the police, See
if you can render aid, See if you can You
know every you don't have to be first, you don't
have to be a first responder to know you gotta
stop the bleeding. This woman just got stabbed in the neck.
You know, no one's taking their shirt off, No one's
trying to make a tourniquet or a compress here. Nothing, nothing.
(30:49):
No one did a darn thing in this video. And
the question We played the Brian Stelter audio for you,
and we'll play some more of your talk backs when
we come back. The question I asked, ask what percentage
of this is why I think the media covered somebody say, well,
why do you care? Why do you care? With the
New York Times? Right, so, why do you care what
the Washington Post, CNNMSNBC, We know, yes, and I love that.
(31:12):
I appreciate that we're going to be honest with you
every day. If you really want to move all of America,
then all of America has to experience a story that
is common, right. And you could be a New York
Times reader, you could be a Washington Post reader. You
could think, hey, I'm informing myself well on the stature
(31:33):
and status of this country. And when they don't cover
a story, when they don't share factual data with the
CNN audience, when it comes to crime, MSNBC, we're not
commonly having a conversation because they have no idea this
is going on.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Play without the omnipresence of surveillance cameras and platforms like
x that allow for free sharing on the internet. If
this had happened ten years fifteen years ago, people wouldn't know.
But this would be a local crime story and we
would not know about it.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yep. Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think cameras being everywhere has created all sorts of complexities.
And if you got teenagers out there I'm talking about
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Maybe don't take that video. Maybe don't be sending stuff
like crazy all over the place. You're sixteen, you more on.
But I do think in situations like these and in
(32:28):
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allows us to see what actually occurred in a way
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Hey, truck drivers Steve here, guys, Hey, if a person
consume McDonald's for a million dollars, sipping hot coffee and
burning their lips or whatever. There's no reason a judge
and a bible to be held accountable for someone that
shouldn't have been out of prison in the first place,
for killing that lady or them too late. It's actually anyone.
(35:53):
If someone's a repeat offender like that, the judge most
certainly needs to be held accountable.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It's an interesting analogy. Look, judges have to be right
one hundred percent of the time when it comes to
reviewing crime stats and who should be in who should
be out. I do think over time, if you are
a judge that is regularly letting violent people on the streets,
there should be severe consequences.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Welludges. Judges are not going to be thrown in prison
for making bad decisions as judges because nobody would take
the job as judges to be totally honest as a result,
because it's too many risks. But can they be removed
for being bad at their jobs? Yes? And should that
be done yes, But criminal liability for bad decisions as
a judge that doesn't involve bribery or something.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Like that, that's not happening.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
So we just need to go. Let's keep this in
the realm of the professional accountability that's maybe achievable and
should be achievable, and we will follow this up with
more obviously tomorrow here on Clay and Buck
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Sexton show, appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We are joined now by North Carolina Congressman Tim Moore
leading a response to the murder of a Ukrainian woman
on the Charlotte light rail. I should mention there are
(00:23):
more videos coming out of the stabbing, and you can
see no one coming to this young woman's aid, despite
the fact they can see her clearly being stabbed. I
would suggest, now, I know this is dark and it
is uncomfortable, But Congressman, as we bring you in, why
(00:45):
has the full video not been released? And I don't
say that because I am in favor of showing violent acts,
but I do think it's important that we see what
actually happens. And certainly, if you think about the George
Floyd video, the entire George Floyd video was shared and
(01:07):
used to drive the burning of so many American cities
and to set an artificial narrative about police. The narrative
that there is far too much violent crime and that
criminals who are arrested are let far too often back
on the streets is one that is actually accurate, and
in the case of this murder fourteen time arrested serial
(01:29):
felon who finally decided that he was going to kill
and that he was going to say that he was
motivated to kill this woman because she was white. And Congressman,
you represent a part of North Carolina and also a
part of Charlotte. What is the reaction from your constituency
(01:50):
and what do you think about why we have yet
to see this full video released.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show. I
wish you were under better circumstances of see the reaction
to folks that I'm hearing from back home in North
Carolina are simply the same thing that that that you hear,
the same thing that your your listeners are probably feeling
when they when they see this, when they hear about this,
it's absolutely discussed and it's a breakdown in the system.
(02:18):
And what we've seen, uh time and time again, and
certain particularly in some of the blue North Carolina is
a red county seeing a red state, but Mecklenberg is
a blue county. And we see in a lot of
cities around the country where you get these liberal judges
that get into, these liberal magistrates that come in and
they have these woke policies where they just are just
(02:39):
soft on crime. And to your point, this guy, I mean,
this guy was a convicted fellow with violent violent rap sheet,
had had skipped cord in the past, had had firearms
of senses. And this guy, I mean, he should have
never been on the street where he could do this.
And and unfortunately this is not an isolated incident where
(03:03):
this is just like a one off. I mean, I
would submit to you there are these things happen every
day through about our country, which is, by the way,
one reason that I'm co sponsoring with Elease defining a
bill to withhold federal funds from states and local governments
that fail to adhere to cash bail policies. You know,
(03:24):
if these guys are being held under a cash bail,
they're going to be in jail, and a lot of people,
frankly that they shouldn't even be given bond where there's
such a dead danger and a menace to society. Congressman
really should have been in jail.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Congressman, we appreciate you being being here with us, so
you have signed a letter all ten members of the
North Carolina House Republican North Carolina House, these are Republicans
obviously the demanding the removal of unelected magistrate judge Teresa
Stokes who released this repeat offender, who went on tell
us about this process and is it likely to succeed
(04:00):
to try to have this judge removed because I know
state by state these rules can be can be very different.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, So this is a magistrate judge, so she's matter
of fact, My understanding is she graduated law school, would
never even passed the bar exone. And I've been in
the law. I've been an attorney for thirty years, so
I you know, kind of know this stuff. But she
is she can be removed by the district judge. She's
not elected, and she should be And I felt so,
(04:28):
you know, I mean, I represent I'm the only Republican
who represents Charlotte in Congress, and the other members of
Democrat who represents most of Charlotte. But it's just it's
just disgusting this happen, and she has no business being
a judge and being a master if she doesn't have
any better discernment than to let someone like this loose
on the streets. I mean, this guy should have been
in jail. This should have never happened.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I can't believe she didn't pass the Well, she didn't
pass the bar. But let's go into this because I
think you're raising a really interesting question. I've tried to
do the math. I've been a lawyer for twenty one
years now, so I've managed to pass a couple of
bar exams over the years. We talked about the analogy
which I've seen shared, and I do think it's an
interesting one that if you are a bartender and you
(05:13):
overserve someone, and as you well know, I'm sure Congressman,
if you're a lawyer, there are significant consequences for bartenders.
At times. They can even be criminally prosecuted for overserving
people who they know are a danger to the larger community,
and they allow to engage in violent behavior as a
(05:33):
result partly of their action. How do we have higher
standards for bartenders than we do for judges.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's a shame, isn't it? It certainly is. And look
for folks to run for judge, all they have to
do is be an attorney in good standing and get elected, right,
And I would say the vast majority of elective judges
do a good job. But you do have some out
there that are just say far left. But you know,
one thing we've talked about doing is actually finding is
(06:04):
to your point about like with the bartender, like in
the dram shop laws where they can be held civilly
responsible for any you know, for any prenny injuries that happens,
is all of serving someone who drinks too much when
having a rug. We're actually looking right now at personal
liability for a judge who turns someone loose and then
(06:24):
goes out and commits a crime thereafter. You know, maybe
that's the way to get people's attention. I mean, that's
actually a bill that we're we're in the drafting phases
right now. Clearly we're going to you know, look at
constitutional provisions and whatnot. But I think there ought to
be some accountability. I mean, if somebody is doing something
that's bad, you ought to be responsible for.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And so what do you think about the the moves
by the federal government because of this White House the
Trump administration to at least offer up and perhaps even
get a little more forceful than that assistance from the
federal law enforcement side to try to help cities that
are truly crime plagued.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You know, it's amazing to me that we have some
of these liberal Democrat governors around the country, and I
look at what's happening in Chicago and some of these
other things. Were these some of these liberal mayors who
hate Donald Trump more than they love their communities and
more than they love and care about the people they
are supposed to represent. I mean, these some of these communities.
(07:28):
I'm I'm talking from from the district of Columbia right now, right,
I mean, and I'm in new member of Congress. I'm
been in eight months and I sewed up up here
and saw what I saw here was a frigging goat
rodeo in terms of, uh, the amount of crime and
homelessness and drugs. It's just embarrassing. And it's our nation's capital.
And and I'm glad that the president stood up and
(07:49):
you did something I sent in there, and it's actually
has a safer feeling. I hope it's sustained. But this
president has shown this is not a political stuff. The
President has offered this up to help, you know, to
help the people that live in these cities, because you
know what, when it comes to crime, it shouldn't be
Republican Democrats. But guess what these Democrats are making it
(08:10):
a partisan issue, and I'm hopeful. I'm so hopeful that
the people are paying attention to this, and because where
there's an opportunity to get help, folks ought to take it,
because look, look at Chicago, they're overwhelmed. But you know,
and back in North Carolina. The point there, I think
we can kind of surgically say, in that case, it's
some of these loose bail policies being a documents on
(08:33):
these liberal judges. I mean, it really is going to
require all of the love to get to make our
cities safe again.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know, Congressman, the North Carolina is a super fascinating state,
as you well know, because there's a very big difference
between let's say, the left wing college communities that encircle
some of the campuses and the people who live in
western North Carolina or the people who live in other
rural parts of North Carolina. It's a very different state,
(09:04):
meaning there's a lot of variety. But doesn't it unite
everyone to say, Hey, to your point, we just want
to be safe in the state of North Carolina, in
our big cities, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic. You hit on it,
but I talked about it earlier. I've been talking about
a lot on the show. I'm staggered that the Democrat
response to evidence of high rates of violent crime is well,
(09:26):
it's a little bit better than it used to be,
as if that's somehow a good thing.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, it's the craziest thing that I've seen. And I
will tell you that in my district that I represent,
I have urban areas in it, but I have some
very rural areas. I mean, I have a lot of
the mountains of North Carolina that were ravaged by Hurricane Kallen.
In fact, it's a big district. And what I hear
across that entire geographic area and across the political spectrum
(09:56):
is people saying enough is enough of this crime and
noth is enough of a broken criminal justice system that
that that values the rights of criminals over the rights
of people who are just trying to be all abiding
citizens going about their business. I mean, think about this this.
I mean, this young lady fled Ukraine coming to America
(10:18):
for for for safety is own a light rail train.
Is a passenger there, you know, as you've gotten off
work in this in this evil guy just stabs her
in the net and then the other thing on the video.
You asked about the video, I don't know why the
rest of the video hasn't been a case. I mean,
it may be the respect the victor. I don't know.
(10:40):
That's that's that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I understand that argument, but sometimes you have to see
a video in its totality to really shock the conscience.
And so I just would implore anybody listening out here
in North Carolina or and I bet you would probably
agree with me. I'll let you answer it too, But
to me, we need the full unedited video of what
(11:02):
happened to understand the scope of evil, and we should
have to watch it, those of us who are adults, obviously,
to recognize what we have allowed to occur. Because it's
one thing if a violent perpetrator out of nowhere acts.
The guy was arrested fourteen times, I think the oh,
the the guy deserves a second chance, third chance. Nobody
(11:23):
deserves a fifteenth chance. I'm sorry, and so I want
to get your reaction to that. But I think we
need to stare into evil and see it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think I think people need to need to see it.
It's ugly, and there's a video that has been there's
been additional video released. I don't know if you guys
have seen this yet, but there's one showing right after
he's stabbed her and she's there and she's and nobody,
nobody on this on the damn train even is doing
anything to help her. I'm like, and I just saw
(11:56):
that maybe like fifteen minutes before I just came on
the show with you, and I'm just I'm still kind
of stunned by seeing that that no one, no other
people on that train did a thing to help this lady.
I mean, that's just that's terrible. I'm just I don't
even know what to say about it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I just it's we have we have shared these videos
and they're dark and disturbing, and I would encourage you.
I know a lot of people, kids, grandkids, they don't
need to watch this, but I think every adult, you
need to steal your soul and you need to watch
it because you need to see what evil is capable of,
and you need to look at it and you need
to think we all can do better, and we got
(12:33):
to get these people off our streets and we got
to hold them accountable.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well absolutely, and this, you know, this should be a
call to action. And what's been amazing. There's been a
few of us that have been digging around trying to
find out what happened because a lot of the details
were kind of murkiest and what exactly occurred. And when
the video got released is when a few of us
were making noise about this is terrible. Why is nobody
talking about it? And then of course you guys are
(12:57):
talking about it and others are, but you know, media
is just now kind of sort of begrudgingly in some
ways coming along talking about this. And it's just, I mean,
crime is crime, and to your point, evil is evil,
and I do think there's a I mean, it's a
reminder of people to be vigilant, to be aware, to
understand that evil is out there, and that we need
to be able to protect ourselves. You know, we need
(13:19):
to be able to we need to be able to
have a firearm, you able to protect ourselves from something.
But it's just it's a sad state too, when you know,
there aren't folks who when they see this, that don't
intervene and try to help and renderrate. I'm just you know,
I do think there's it's hard to watch. It's hard
to watch but you know what, we need to stare
(13:39):
it in the face and we need to we need
to deal with it. But I'm gonna tell you something,
This presence not sitting either by and this Congress is
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at legislation right now. It's like nothing's enough. These communities
are going to do things that do not follow the
wall and consistent law. When it comes to cash bill,
then there's going to be exquences, and that may be
(14:01):
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thing that'll get some of these folkes attention.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't know, North Carolina Congress and Tim Moore, appreciate
you being with us or thank.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You thanks for having me on. Guys.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. President Trump put out
a statement from the White House just a few moments
ago on what's going to mean that they taped it,
but they've put it out on the stabbing in North Carolina,
the murder of North Carolina on the light rail. We're
going to play that for you here coming up in
a second, but first we have some some talkbacks. Let's
(16:45):
take from Clay's hometown Franklin, Tennessee. Jim A A hi.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Guys, Jim from Franklin, Tennessee. And I was just gonna
give a little talk back about your hypothetical that if
a white guy had said the black girl to be
news forever. My thought is that if a white guy
had entered into the life of crime the way this
black guy did. We all the judge wouldn't be worried about.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Being a racist and should probably.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Followed the law, and he'd be in jail or institutionalize
just saying I.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Think there's probably some truth to this. This is where
the phrase toxic empathy comes in. You know, we used
to say bleeding heart liberals. But an inability to hold
individuals responsible for their own individual action because you're focused
on the collective world that you see, strips away the
(17:35):
entire purpose of the justice system. Because we should all
be judged on our individual actions, not our identity, which
we do not control. And that's why justice is blind,
because Lady Justice is trying to treat everybody fairly. Yes,
so we'll tell you.
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Clay trapp Us Buck Sexton Show. Look, we've got a
lot of people reacting to the heinous murder of a young,
innocent Ukrainian woman, and that includes the President of the
United States, Donald Trump, who Buck, you and I have
talked about this for years, has an innate ability to
make the people in the media who hate him talk
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about what he wants them to talk about and I
think it's going to be very difficult for them not
to cover as this video continues to come out. Let
me also say this before we play the audio. Buck,
Are you with me that the full video has to
come out or do you think that it should be
not released? What's your take on that? In general? Yes,
this should come out. It's I think that I think
(19:42):
the whole video should come out. I mean I said this,
this is you know that I'm not recommending ever watched
the full video, but for people who want to understand
exactly what happened there, Yes, the full video. You know,
the full video should come out. The full George Floyd
video came.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yes, I agree with you. I think when the full
video comes out, it becomes increasingly difficult not to cover it.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
The fact that they have since by the way, this
is it far more, far more heinous than what happened
to George Floyd. I'm not comparing them. I'm just saying
in terms of let people see what they need to
see to make the judgments about what happened. That's the
comparison here.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
No doubt, Okay, here is President Trump. This is just
in the last thirty minutes or so releasing this statement.
It's two different cuts. We'll play cut one. We might
react to it. I'll call for more if we don't
want to react to it yet. But here is Trump
reacting to the murder of this young, innocent, twenty three
year old Ukrainian woman on public transit in Charlotte.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
For far too long, Americans have been forced to put
up with Democrat run cities that set loose savage, bloodthirsty
criminals to pray on innocent people, really very very innocent people.
In every place, they control radical left judges, politicians, and activists,
and they've adopted a policy of catch and release for
thugs and killers. In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the
(21:01):
results of these policies when a twenty three year old
woman who came here from Ukraine met her bloody end
on a public train. A beautiful young girl that never
had problems in life, with the magnificent future in this country,
and now she's dead. She was slaughtered by a deranged
monster who was roaming free after fourteen prior arrests.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, let's play cut two here, Trump continues.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
We cannot allow it. The prave criminal element of violent
repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country.
We have to respond with force and strength. We have
to be vicious, just like they are. It's the only
thing they understand. Twenty four of the top twenty five
most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrat mayors.
(21:50):
Fifty people were murdered in Chicago in recent weeks, with
hundreds being shot, and it's time to stop this madness.
The people of our country need to insist to protection, safety.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Law and order.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
We have proven that it can be done because we
did it right here in DC and District of Columbia.
The capital of America was a bloodthirsty, horrible, dangerous place,
one of the worst, and now it's a crime free
city and we're going to keep it that way. It
can be done, It can happen fast. All we want
(22:23):
is please miss the President. We need help. Chicago needs help,
Other cities needs help. We'll do what has to be
done because we're going to make America safe again, and
that includes our big cities. We're going to make those
cities safe.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Buck. This is again take away Trump and just pretend
that you had never heard anybody make any statement about
Trump in your entire life. This is the least controversial,
most non partisan goal that any politician could ever have.
There are too many murders, and we're going to do
(23:01):
whatever we can to drive down the rates of violent
crime in major cities across America. Sometimes I just think
you have to step back and just look at this. Logically,
there's no way to be opposed to this.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
The Democrat apparatus would rather the murder rate continue where
it is instead of accepting that Trump is right, accepting
that the right is right, and accepting that there will
be a disproportionate rate of incarceration from increased enforcement of
the law, which will affect a very small percentage overall.
(23:37):
But some black men in this country as well as
by the way, Latino men, and some jurisdictions are considerably
overrepresented in the incarceration rates. But it depends where you are.
I mean New York, for example, is a jurisdiction where that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Is the case.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And they would rather the murder rate continue than to
do those than to accept those things that those things
will happen. Trump is right, the right has been correct,
and you're going to have disproportionate or disparate impact dare
I say, from the enhanced enforcement of these laws or
really just enforcement of them and instead of giving people
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fifteenth and fiftieth chances, deciding that enough is enough. So
I think Trump is on very very solid ground with this.
And you'll notice, Clay, I read a description of restorative
justice in one of the breaks. I was just curious
to see what the I know what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I've heard people.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Talking about it for a long time. It's the kind
of idea that people who are living in some other
reality or on some other planet would come up with,
which is, we're going to have victims, I'm sorry, we're
going to have perpetrators reconcile with victims. Really, how do
you do that in a case like this? What reconciliations
(24:51):
are going to be for the maniac who stabs the
girl to death in the throat for absolutely no reason
other than perhaps racial animus, which now is coming out
as well based on the audio.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
What what are you like?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
What are they even talking about when they say that
we need to have restorative just how about just justice?
How about just the closest by the way you can argue,
I think, very unfortunately, tragically, very effectively that there really is.
There's no such thing as justice, because you can't give
this girl her life back, but you can try to
stop the next one, and you can take this person
out of society so he can't threaten or harm another person,
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and you can try to prohibit or try to prevent
more of this from happening from others who see if
I do this, I'm going to be punished by this
state in a way that makes me very unhappy, you know,
not that I'm going to go to some rehabilitation center
and be treated with kid gloves.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I've got. My anger is grown All weekend I watch
this video, and that's why I think the full video
has to be released. We have to rectify the system
that we have created where we're more concerned about criminals
being treated fairly than we are innocent people being victims
(26:05):
of crimes. This is basically just a balance, right, and
all of life is trying to balance equities in some way.
Who is the good person, who's the bad person? Who
behaved in a admirable fashion, who behaved in a dishonorable fashion.
How do we reconcile that in the courts. I think
what this situation is emblematic of is we have become
(26:29):
far too concerned with how criminals are treated and not
concerned enough with how innocent people who are victims of
criminals are treated. This should never happen. Let me hit
some of your talkbacks. Michael in Arizona, listening on news
Talk five point fifty KFYI what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (26:48):
People are missing the big picture here. It's not just
the right Republican outrage. It should be an American outraged, liberal, independent,
non voting, non caring, white, black, green, yellow, orange, all
of it. Everybody should be outraged. You shouldn't be able
to murder something like that on a train while you're
coming home from where, just sitting there my no business
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and get stabbed and discussing.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, I think we've said that quite a lot on
the show. This should be nonpartisan. I would echo what
he said and vip email. Kyle says the congressman we
just talked with, Tim Moore says he was surprised no
one intervened. The answer is easy, Daniel, Penny, Kyle rittenhouse.
People are scared to get involved. Now you and I
were talking. I don't know if we said this on
(27:31):
air off air. I don't think anybody can anticipate in
this situation the stabbing occurring because it occurs so rapidly.
This is not a situation where a guy's walking around
with a weapon in his hand.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
There was no warning, no warning at all. And you
can tell from the video he just stood up and stabbed.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And now what you and I have said, and again
this is in the video the congressman was referring to,
is after the stabbing, the guy walks away on the
light rail, this Charlotte Public transportation, and no one comes
to the girl's aide. That's this girl is bleeding out.
She has no real idea probably what's happened to her
(28:11):
at all, because the stabbing happens so fast, it doesn't
appear there was any conversation or any interaction between these
two at all. She gets stabbed, she looks up at him,
he walks past. The weapon is dripping blood, and other
people in that section of the train see her leaning
over as her blood is starting to pour out, as
(28:32):
her life is leaving, and no one does anything at
all to comfort her or even offer any support at all.
In fact, people stand up and walk away. Yeah, that
is the lack of humanity. We are referencing now if
this again, we're a situation where the guy's waving the
weapon around, nobody does anything. I think your written house example,
(28:56):
I think your Daniel Penny example could come into play
where I would say the Daniel any analogy Buck is
particularly apropos is how in the world can the Washington
Post and MSNBC and CNN and the New York Times,
although it did happen in New York, justify writing hundreds
of articles about Daniel Penny and his behavior and justifying
(29:19):
the priminal prosecution brought against him and largely not even
cover this story is getting to the whole time. It
shows beyond any there's no doubt about the ideological manipulation
that goes on with these kinds of stories, and either
suppression or elevation into the public consciousness, depending on whether
(29:41):
it fits a narrative that is preferable to places like
the New York Times the Washington Post. You know, it's
interesting as well. I mean that the video is. Particularly
it's horrific the additional video. As I'm watching it here, Clay,
everyone else on the train is black. She's the only
white person on the train, and they leave her, and
she is bleeding to death. I don't even see anyone
(30:04):
grab a cell phone to call the police. Yeah, call
for aid, call for an ambulance. They essentially leave her
to die. Uh And and there's no action taken from
anyone there. Now, I understand you could say, well, maybe
somebody's looking at their phone they didn't see. I'm not
indicting any individual in this video, but I'm saying collectively,
in the video, it is quite clear some people knew
(30:26):
what was what had just happened, and no one did
even the bare humanitarian minimum here, Call the police, See
if you can render aid, See if you can You
know every you don't have to be first, you don't
have to be a first responder to know you gotta
stop the bleeding. This woman just got stabbed in the neck.
You know, no one's taking their shirt off, No one's
trying to make a tourniquet or a compress here. Nothing, nothing.
(30:49):
No one did a darn thing in this video. And
the question We played the Brian Stelter audio for you,
and we'll play some more of your talk backs when
we come back. The question I asked, ask what percentage
of this is why I think the media covered somebody say, well,
why do you care? Why do you care? With the
New York Times? Right, so, why do you care what
the Washington Post, CNNMSNBC, We know, yes, and I love that.
(31:12):
I appreciate that we're going to be honest with you
every day. If you really want to move all of America,
then all of America has to experience a story that
is common, right. And you could be a New York
Times reader, you could be a Washington Post reader. You
could think, hey, I'm informing myself well on the stature
(31:33):
and status of this country. And when they don't cover
a story, when they don't share factual data with the
CNN audience, when it comes to crime, MSNBC, we're not
commonly having a conversation because they have no idea this
is going on.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Play without the omnipresence of surveillance cameras and platforms like
x that allow for free sharing on the internet. If
this had happened ten years fifteen years ago, people wouldn't know.
But this would be a local crime story and we
would not know about it.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yep. Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think cameras being everywhere has created all sorts of complexities.
And if you got teenagers out there I'm talking about
serious things. I'm like, hey, knucklehead, maybe don't take that picture,
Maybe don't take that video. Maybe don't be sending stuff
like crazy all over the place. You're sixteen, you more on.
But I do think in situations like these and in
(32:28):
the police body cameras footages, the prevalence of cameras actually
allows us to see what actually occurred in a way
that has never been the case throughout human history. And
I think what we're seeing is the power of media
to distort reality is being exposed by the reality being
presented in front of all of us. And again, I
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I was just telling Clay and our new dad over here,
and our baby has been a little superstar baby speed.
Last night though he was he was actually fussy and
I think he woke my wife up and therefore me up,
I don't know, five or six times. So man, this Clay,
this is what a lot of parents tell me. This
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So it's been a challenge today just keeping keeping all
the energy and all the flow going over here. But
it's tough stuff. Man, when baby gets fussy, you're in
baby's world.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
You have never realized the importance of sleep until you
have your first child, and I mean second child, third child,
however many you got out there, you know what I'm
talking about when those are super young. And by the way,
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to help get through the day, get a little bit
(35:23):
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to weigh in. Truck driver Steve some good common sense
from a truck driver bb.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Hey, truck drivers Steve here, guys, Hey, if a person
consume McDonald's for a million dollars, sipping hot coffee and
burning their lips or whatever. There's no reason a judge
and a bible to be held accountable for someone that
shouldn't have been out of prison in the first place,
for killing that lady or them too late. It's actually anyone.
(35:53):
If someone's a repeat offender like that, the judge most
certainly needs to be held accountable.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It's an interesting analogy. Look, judges have to be right
one hundred percent of the time when it comes to
reviewing crime stats and who should be in who should
be out. I do think over time, if you are
a judge that is regularly letting violent people on the streets,
there should be severe consequences.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Welludges. Judges are not going to be thrown in prison
for making bad decisions as judges because nobody would take
the job as judges to be totally honest as a result,
because it's too many risks. But can they be removed
for being bad at their jobs? Yes? And should that
be done yes, But criminal liability for bad decisions as
a judge that doesn't involve bribery or something.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Like that, that's not happening.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
So we just need to go. Let's keep this in
the realm of the professional accountability that's maybe achievable and
should be achievable, and we will follow this up with
more obviously tomorrow here on Clay and Buck
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