In this episode, Lisa interviews Jonathan Fahey, former acting ICE director under President Trump, about the stark differences between Trump and Biden’s immigration enforcement. Fahey details how the Trump administration cracked down on sanctuary cities, prioritized public safety, and targeted drug cartels, while the Biden administration’s leniency has led to record illegal immigration and overdose deaths. The discussion highlights the dangers ICE agents now face, the political hostility from Democrats, and the urgent need for strong, law-and-order immigration policies to protect American communities. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're talking about immigration enforcement as the Trump administration targets
sanctuary cities across the country, including cities like Chicago. My
next guest is Jonathan Fahee. You've probably seen him on
Fox News. He is the former acting Ice Director for
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President Trump. He also served in his Department of Homeland
Security and worked on the White House Drug policy as
a general counsel for President Trump. He's also a seasoned prosecutor,
so he's a guy that's got a lot of expertise
on all of these core issues that we're going to
be discussing today. So we're going to dive into the crackdown.
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Also a lot of these legal challenges that President Trump
has faced, and how hard is it to be an
ICE agent today, especially you know, Jonathan worked during the
first administration, but think about how challenging it's got to
be today after Biden let in millions of illegal aliens,
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cartel members, terrorists. I mean, talk about how hard that's
got to be. So we've got a lot to dig into,
and I promise you we're going to unpack all of
it with Jonathan Fahey.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, Jonathan, it's great to have you on.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I've interviewed you when I've filled in on Fox and Friends,
but I haven't had you on the podcast yet, So
I appreciate you making the time and it's great to
have you one.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Great to be here and thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And there are no shortage of topics to discuss around
you know, ice and immigration and Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So we've got a lot to cover.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I want to start just by these enforcement operations in
like Massachusetts and Chicago and President Trump going into some
of these blue sanctuary city areas. Also, Tom Homan has
signaled that look, there's going to be a wider federal
crackdown coming out up across the country. What do you
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think will see and sort of what's your initial reaction
to all of this.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I think it's a great what they're doing with the
sanctuary cities, particularly you know, Chicago and Massachusetts for a
couple of reasons. One, you know, as you know and play,
everyone that listens knows these sanctuary cities. You know they
they are sanctuaries for criminals. What they do is shield criminals,
meeting people who are convicted, arrested in state court from
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being turned over to ICE and deported. They try, they
always claim, meaning the Democrats that support and claim they're
doing something else, but that's actually what they're doing. Everything
else about them utterly meaningless.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
But I think it will be effective.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
One, because these places are shielding criminals, leaving them out
in the community, so they ICE will be able to
go out arrest these people and get them deported, which
is good for everyone. But the second thing that's really
beneficial about it, you'll have these places like Chicago and Massachusetts,
which the politicians is there actually elevate themselves by continuing
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to do, you know, be sanctuary cities and shield people and.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Fight ICE and fight Trump. And that's probably not going
to change.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
But there's so many other of these sanctuary cities that
probably will start getting in line and cooperating to some
greater degree with ICE because one, they don't have, you know,
the resources to fight in court and all these things.
And two, their politicians may not be as committed to
other things like Printzkurger. You know, he wants to We
all know he's trying to, you know, he's vying to
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be the Democratic nominee for president, and he has to
show at every chance of these anti ICE, but these
other jurisdictions may decide it's in their interest to cooperate
at least some degree with ICE. So I think it
will have an enormous impact not only on the places
where they're going into but also other places for the
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de turn value.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, that's an interesting point too, because we saw, you know,
obviously he's not able to do what he did in
DC elsewhere in the country, primarily just because under the
Home Rule Will Act, it gives him under emergency authorization,
gives him control over the DC Metropolitan Police. Also, he
directly controls the DC National Guard, so he's got a
little bit more leeway there in d C. And then
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Congress obviously controls Washington, d C under the Constitution. But
what we saw there was the what we're saying is
the DC mayor, Muriel Bowser is actually now on board.
And you know, during the first term, she was sort
of an antagonist and kind of like went after Trump
and you know, try to kind of like do what
we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Some of these other mayors do.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And then now she's like, no, this is good for
my city because crimes down lives are saved.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So we'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
To your point if we see any of these other
mayors kind of like get on board with the idea
of Okay, this is actually like saving lives and good
for my city.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But you know that's to be seen.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
How difficult do these sanctuary cities make it for ICE
to do their job? Like kind of walk us through
just sort of the challenges that these sanctuary cities create
for our ICE agents.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
They create an enormous challenge to their job, and they
also spend enormous causes ICE to spend enormous resources, and
they put the ICE agents in greater danger and the
community greater danger.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And I'll go through it sort of one at a time.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
But what they do like a place to cooperates with ICE,
and a lot of them, a lot of these are
sictions cooperate under what's called the two to eighty seven
G program, which they actually have some people within their jail,
within their sheriff department cooperate with ICE and processing illegal
aliens to be deported. But places that cooperate with ICE,
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if an illegal alien gets arrested today, just hypothetically, if
it was Chicago and they get they get and arrest
in Chicago. Well, ICE will then be notified, they'll put
a detainer on them, and they will not mean the
criminal will not be released. If Chicago did cooperate, of course,
they would not be released out in the public and
they would go through the judicial process whatever their charge was,
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and if they get convicted acquitted, work out on a plea.
However it works at the end of that and at
the end of their sentence, they will then be turned
over to ICE, meaning the Sheriff's office will call ICE
and they were about to release mister Smith on this charge,
and they'll basically ICE will be able to come within
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a certain time period pick them up from the jail
and then put them through the deportation proceedings. So by
doing that, the defendant or the illegal alien is arrested
in a jail, which is very safe for the ICE agents.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It also doesn't take a lot of resources.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
You could send one or two agents to go pick
the guy up bring them to ICE custody, so they're
not in danger. The resources are minimal and the communities
safer because alternatively, if they if they get released out
into the public, you know when the place is so
cooperate then.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
ICE then has to go out find that criminal. That
takes time.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
They have to do an arrest plan to arrest them,
that takes time and resources. They usually have to use
multiple officers to do so, and they may encounter sort
of you know, somebody that's dangerous. Remember, these people are
already in jail for a crime, so when they're out
in the community.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They're also likely to be dangerous.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
So in those cases, ICE would have spent lots of
resources finding them, lots of resources to arrest them, put
themselves in danger, and also put members of the community
a danger, so all of those things. You know, the
resources in terms of money is exponential, but in terms
of risks of lives as far greater.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And the irony is which which these you know sanctuary
cities people, you know, they always talk.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
About, oh, we don't want the law abiding illegal aliens,
which is kind of a contradiction in terms, we don't
want them getting wrapped up and them getting removed if
they're not doing anything else illegal. While they're more likely
those particular people are far more likely to get arrested
because if they're with the alien isis targeting.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
ICE has a.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Responsibility to not let them go if they're here illegally,
so they have to detain and remove them as well,
because that's their job. So it's so much more expensive,
so much more dangerous, and puts these communities at greater
risk by having more criminals out in their communities, victimizing ironically,
the communities these democrats act like they're fighting for which
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in fact, we know they're not fighting for them at all.
They're just fighting for votes and other things that they
think is beneficial for them. So it is so resource intensive.
And when you don't have a sanctuary city, we could
remove meaning you know, our country could remove the most
serious criminals so rapidly and we would get we would
all be safer, all that are off in so many ways.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, and the challenge is too.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I mean when you were acting ICE Director, it was
under President Trump's first term. I mean, things have gotten
so much worse since then, with four years under Joe Biden,
just letting millions of illegal immigrants to the United States,
you know, criminals, gang members, terrorists, you know the rest
of it.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
How challenging is it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
To be the ICE director today after four years of
open borders.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, it's so much harder.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
If you think about because at minimum, the Biden administration
led in probably ten million new illegal aliens. And again,
like you said, we don't even know who they are, right.
We know there's probably within the group they're criminals, terrorists,
other types of bad things, but we really don't even
know because there's no way to really track that. And
it just shows how unconscionable what the Biden administration did
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by letting these people in, and I say let them in,
this was in my view, deliberate because they think it
was beneficial to Democrats, you know, politically, because they did
nothing to stop it. And you look at the way
the Biden administration always talked about illegal aliens. They always
had to use euphemisms, you know, calling them non citizens,
which is really interesting. They're so careful describing illegal aliens,
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but they can freely call law enforcement officers Nazis and
things like that. But what the Biden administration did, they
did there was a complete dereliction of their duty. They
didn't try to deport anyone, even by their own terms.
They had memos about what the criteria is for deporting
people and sort of a short summary of it. You
had to be convicted of an aggravated felony to even
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enter the world of consideration to be deported, so meaning
like nobody was being deported.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But what that did was, Okay, we brought in.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Ten more million people at least to the probably you
know minimum, probably twenty million people that are already here illegally.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So it puts this enormous burden on Ice and on.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Us as citizens because we you know, we get we
get the benefit of pain for you know, increased taxes
for school, for healthcare, all of these things on top
of it all. And the Democrats, as we know, just
brought them in for political purposes.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And we knew back.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Then that this was the game that the Democrats would play,
is like they bring him in all illegally and then act,
you know, they go applectic when people want to remove them,
which seems inherently reasonable.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And when I think that's lost in all of this.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
When people are complaining about Trump, complaining about Ice, Trump
is the one.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Doing his job.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
He you know, he was not just what he was
elected to do, but he's required under the Constitution to
enforce the laws passed by Congress, and those are these
immigration laws. So when people demonize Trump, demonize these Ice agents.
They're really complaining if they if they're being authentic and
being honest, they're really complaining about the wrong people. If
they want these laws to change, these Democrats should go,
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you know, go to Congress and say we want open
borders in mass amnesty.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But of course they.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Don't have the political courage to do that, and they
know it's a loser, so they use all of these ploys,
all of these games, all of this enormous amount of
cynicism to get what their way is, which is mass amnesty.
What they want is mass amnesty for all the illegals
that are here.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Got to take a quick break, say right there, well
dangerous is it to be an ice agent today? Because
you know, we've seen assaults increase more than one thousand percent.
You've got you know a lot of these Democrat officials
calling them the Gestapo, like really just putting it reminds
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me of what we've you know, I feel like it
kind of all started under Obama with Michael Brown and
the whole hands up, don't shoot lie, and then he
sort of put a target on the back of police officers,
and then we saw Black Lives Matter and like two
thousand four, Route and then now it kind of feels
like the next iteration of that where somehow law enforcement,
you know, they're the villains and the victims or you know,
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the heroes or the villains, and then the you know,
victims are somehow the villains. You know, Now it seems
like the next iteration is like ICE is having a
target on their back, Like how dangerous is it to
be an ICE agent? I know a lot of them
are being ducks, Like kind of what are you hearing
from some of these ICE agents?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It's substantially more dangerous, and like you said, it's a
ten fold increase on the assaults, you know, one thousand percent.
And you know, you brought up a great point because
I think it's a great political point. The Democratic Party
has really made a turn, and I think over ten
years ago they are decidedly anti law enforcement. And you
talked about Michael you know, the Michael Brown hounds don't shoot.
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Even if that after that was proven to be false
by everyone, including her Caulder, the Democrats, Hillary Clinton was
still having Michael Brown's family come to events and still
promoting this false narrative. But yeah, it really you know,
carried over to the bl M and we saw all
the suffer because of that, because of the increased crime
that resulted from that. But now it is the ICE
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agents and it's almost like a worse world because of
things like doxy. Not that it's brand new, but it
seems to be more prevalent now. And you think these
agents and you know, I talked to you know, people
that ICE all the time, and I talked to law
enforcement and form of law enforcement all the time. They're
enthusiastic about their job and they're not going to be deterred.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
But what's really you know.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
They're already willing to take the risk dealing with the criminals,
right they have to encounter bad people, and they take
that risk and they know it's there. But when you
have politicians and activists essentially encouraging people to harm them,
you know, they're you know, they all these things that
take off their matt you know, telling them to take
the mass off so you could late so they could
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later be docs. And you know, it does seem to
be there's a line that really had and being crossed,
I think, in least in my view until recently. Because
when you're talking about doxing someone, you're talking about their
family at this point, putting their family at risk, you know,
and law enforcement. You know, officers have always been willing
to put themselves at risk, but now we're asking them
to put their little kids at risk, and their their their.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Husbands or wives at risk. And that's almost like a
new low.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
That's hard to believe we're there, and it's truly hard
to believe that the Democratic politicians, and you know, it
hasn't been that long ago that Democrats used.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
To stand arm in arm with police officers.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And none of them that I'm aware of, have stood
up to some of these comments that people have made
by other politicians.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But you know, when they're you know, like you said,
the Gestapo.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And remember one of the Gestapo commenters was Tim Lowles
at a graduation ceremony. He's a commencement speaker, so something
that was a prepared remarks, probably by staff. So basically
calling ice agents gestopo is really just sort of the
way Democrats refer to them.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It's not just sort of a one off, a slip
of the tongue or something like that. This is really
almost like a standard Democrat talking point, and it's shapeful
and other than maybe like a John Fetterman. I cannot
think of another sort of nationally known Democrat that has
stood up for law enforcements, stood up for ICE agents.
And again they're doing their job, which is to you know,
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enforce the laws passed by Congress. So you think people
in Congress should have responsibility to stand up for their laws.
And if they want different ones, they're the ones. You know,
they can change it. But of course they want to
play this game, which is we're free to stand up
and say open borders publicly, but we're doing everything we
can to have an open border and to have it
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mass ambassy.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, the thing that I don't understand too is like
like even if you look at the two marijuana farms
that were busted, I think there was like, you know,
three hundred and sixty illegal immigrants who were arrested, but
there were four th teen children who were working in
the fields, and one of the youngsters was fourteen years old,
and a child sex predator was among the illegal immigrants
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who were arrested. So you would think that like that
would be a good thing, you know, you think that
would be something we could all support, or like even
Trump locating, you know, I think it's something like twenty
two than six hundred and thirty eight unaccompanied children have
been located. They've arrested four hundred sponsors for various reasons.
Twenty seven miners have been found dead, either by murder
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or suicide drug overdose. We know that a lot of
these children are being human trafficked, Like you would think that,
like that could be something you know, we had all support,
yet you know, here we are.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, it's pretty remarkable if you think about it.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
But if you really think about all these stories in
the news, how many deportations did the Democrats support at all?
It seems like anyone that's been deported, they always have
a reason to be against that deportation. And also just
in the you know, the mainstream media, I guess if
we call it, you know, they always they you know,
they always these efforts to obfuscate the somebody's illegal status.
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You know, they always say, you know, Maryland, they you know,
Marilyn Man is the obvious example, but it's very common.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Minnesota. Man used to Man.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
A lot of people joke about it, but they always
hide it. They'll never say that, you know that, because
they they don't want to do anything, in my view
to discourage people from coming here illegally, or to do
anything to make the people here illegally, you know, leave
and if you think about it, and I'd love to
see it, you know, but they'll never ask it, like
on CNN or anything.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Ask one of these democratic politicians.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Not only that, like who do you want deported among
all the people here? What's your criteria for deportation? But
the other thing that would be interesting, say, for all
the people here illegally, what benefit did American citizens shortly get?
Would you deprive these illegal aliens? And you would you
would get just emming and hawing, or you would get
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the of course they don't get benefits leave, you know,
next question, but they don't even they basically want illegal
aliens treated better than United States citizens. You know, as
I'm sure you don't get a government phone. I don't
get a government phone other than when I work for
the government. But all the illegal aliens coming across stream
Iden got free phones, they get hotel vouchers, they get
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to go to Midtown Manhattan and.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Places like that. It's so astonishing.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
But you're right, they will not they won't say anything
that this is a good thing to get rid of
people because they don't want to get rid of people.
And they look at it like, you know, from the
census numbers, county illegal aliens benefits Democrats, but we all
know the real game here is they want them to
become citizens and they think they will get you know,
two thirds of them as dem voters.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, I mean, like the bottom line is they're putting
American lives at risk for votes in political capital, which
is you know, like it's just it's pretty sick and twisted,
and also like American ins didn't want it because they
rejected it last selection. You know, it's interesting because President
Trump this time in his second administration, he's like sort
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of focusing differently on the drug cartels and some of
these gangs, you know, like he designated drug cartels or
some of these drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. I
think it's for the first time that I believe they
were previously looked at as like criminal enterprises and now
like terrorists.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So that's different. And then he's also used things like
the what.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Is it the Alien Enemies Act as well, so it's
it's clear he's fighting this war differently where.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He's viewing it as an invasion, where he's viewing it
as a war.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Talk about that shift and like, how does that sort
of change the game, and do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Is this a war? Kind of walk us through that
a little bit on.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
The sort of the shift against the drug cartels.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I think it is a major shift in I mean,
obviously to major shift, but it really just shows such
a different approach from the Biden administration, which frankly surrendered
our southern.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Border to the drug cartels.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
If we want to be honest about it, they had
more control down there than we did. But it really
shows these drug cartels, hey, we're done. We're done with
having one hundred thousand Americans die every year of overdoses
from the drugs that are coming across.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
We're taking the fight to you.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And I think what's really helpful about this, which is
there are a lot of these countries where they have
a government, but there's so much influence or controlled by
these drug cartels that the government can't stand up to them,
or you know, they could get killed or other types
of things. This empowers these countries to stand up to
the cartels because they know Donald Trump will have their
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back and we'll go, you know, go hard on these cartels,
and we've already seen in Venezuela. They've even said we're
going to start doing stuff about the cartels. Whether or
not it's true or not but is an question, but
it's very interesting. So I think one, it's taken the
fight to them. Two, I think it will get more
countries on board fighting back on the cartels, which is
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what you need, because you know, if all of these
countries are controlled by the cartels, being Latin America, South America,
it's a lot harder to fight it than if basically
we're all on the same page.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So I think all of it's appropriate.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I think the one thing I think that's different with
the second administration, they had a lot of time to think.
It's almost like you get two first administrations, but the
you know, like it's almost like in life, you always
look back and like, oh if I knew all these
things that when I was younger, I could have done
all these things. They almost have that benefit that the
benefit of hindsight, but the ability to use it in
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a productive way. So a lot of these things I
think were being thought of beforehand, you know. But the
Alien Enemies Act, I think it was a brilliant use
of a way to deport a lot of people efficiently,
and it seems like every time something gets shut down
by a court, the Trumpet miss has another plan to
back that up. But all of it is the best
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part of everything they've done, in my view, is the
messaging has been so strong, and that's why we've had
you know, what's the number, one point six million people
voluntarily left. But I think the messaging on the cartels
is super strong. You're not going to want to be
a member of the cartel, or you're not going to
look at things as easy money. When your risk of
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getting arrested is higher, you might get your risk of
getting killed as higher.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So all of these things are going to have an impact.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
It's not going to eliminate everything, or everything won't be
immediately great.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
But if you look at these.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Drug overdose numbers, which we should find out, you know,
at the end of probably early twenty twenty six, my
guess is they're going to be substantially lower, and a
lot of that is going to be attributed to what
the Trump administration is doing on the cartels and also
doing on the border, because remember under Biden border agents,
sadly we're basically processing migrants. I heard stories of people
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basically agents having to babysit migrants as opposed to stopping
drugs from coming through and other things. So all of
these things are great, but the messaging I think has
been outstanding on all of these issues.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
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Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, I know that you previously served as the General
counsel for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.
President Trump really does seem like very committed to stopping
fentanyl from coming across the border from you know, trying
to save lives when it comes to.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You know, these.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Cartels and just bringing drugs across the border that could
potentially kill American citizens.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
He's been great on this issue.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And I think if you look back, and I don't
know if it's you know, part of you know, his
brother having substance abuse issues, without that, I.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Was kind of thinking too, like it was like a
personal you know.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
He is he is very tuned into this issue, like
very sensitive to this issue. So he's it's interesting the
way he views it because yeah, tough on the cartels,
but he's not insensitive to people that have issues.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
And we all have somebody, you know, in a close
friend or family member that all going.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Through these issues.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
So he has he really does have a great perspective
on it because he's never drunk or done drugs, but
he has you know, his brother, and I'm sure he
knows other people in his circle that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Have had these issues.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
So he was really tuned into it in the first
administration and has tuned into it now on both the
enforcement level, but also, hey, what's the way to help
the people here that are, you know, maybe addicted or
having other types of issues. How can we help them?
What are what are different ways we're creative ways to
help them. So yeah, I do think his perspective on
it is great. And it's another thing with the Biden administration,
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you know, I know, you know I'm going to talk
about you know, Biden was basically a sleep of the switch.
But his administration and it seemed like they were never
even talking about overdose tests. I mean, I'm sure occasionally
they were, never seemed to be a high priority on
the treatment end or the enforcement end. And you look
at the Biden administration, I think the average was one
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hundred and one thousand overdose tests per year during the
Biden administration, which is staggering if you think about four
hundred thousand people. And under the Trump's first administration the
number was roughly seventy five thousand per year, So up
substantially just from Biden to Trump. But it's going to
go down next year, or at least by prediction is. But
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they're you know, part of solving any problem is focusing,
buying attention.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And resources on it. Is a lot of times half
to battle anything you do.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It's like, hey, if I spend more time doing this,
things will generally get better.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So I think all of these things, you know, we
will see.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
But my prediction is next year these numbers on the
drug overdoses and other metrics are going to be very
favorable in terms of for the American people, which is
a good thing for all of us.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think they're doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And as we pointed out in this conversation, they're dealing
with a lot, you know, like activist judges, an influx
of you know, dangerous illegal aliens, like it's you know,
democrats panning a target rates like there there's all in
ins an onslought coming at them, and you know, I
think they're doing a great job. Jonathan Faye, really appreciate
you making the time today. Thanks for sharing your knowledge
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and expertise with us. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Thank you so much. Have a great time.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
That was Jonathan Fahey, former acting ICE director. Appreciate him
making the time for the show. Appreciate you guys at
home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
You can listen throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I also want to thank John Cassio and my producer
for putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Until next time,
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're talking about immigration enforcement as the Trump administration targets
sanctuary cities across the country, including cities like Chicago. My
next guest is Jonathan Fahee. You've probably seen him on
Fox News. He is the former acting Ice Director for
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President Trump. He also served in his Department of Homeland
Security and worked on the White House Drug policy as
a general counsel for President Trump. He's also a seasoned prosecutor,
so he's a guy that's got a lot of expertise
on all of these core issues that we're going to
be discussing today. So we're going to dive into the crackdown.
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Also a lot of these legal challenges that President Trump
has faced, and how hard is it to be an
ICE agent today, especially you know, Jonathan worked during the
first administration, but think about how challenging it's got to
be today after Biden let in millions of illegal aliens,
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cartel members, terrorists. I mean, talk about how hard that's
got to be. So we've got a lot to dig into,
and I promise you we're going to unpack all of
it with Jonathan Fahey.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, Jonathan, it's great to have you on.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I've interviewed you when I've filled in on Fox and Friends,
but I haven't had you on the podcast yet, So
I appreciate you making the time and it's great to
have you one.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Great to be here and thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And there are no shortage of topics to discuss around
you know, ice and immigration and Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So we've got a lot to cover.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I want to start just by these enforcement operations in
like Massachusetts and Chicago and President Trump going into some
of these blue sanctuary city areas. Also, Tom Homan has
signaled that look, there's going to be a wider federal
crackdown coming out up across the country. What do you
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think will see and sort of what's your initial reaction
to all of this.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I think it's a great what they're doing with the
sanctuary cities, particularly you know, Chicago and Massachusetts for a
couple of reasons. One, you know, as you know and play,
everyone that listens knows these sanctuary cities. You know they
they are sanctuaries for criminals. What they do is shield criminals,
meeting people who are convicted, arrested in state court from
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being turned over to ICE and deported. They try, they
always claim, meaning the Democrats that support and claim they're
doing something else, but that's actually what they're doing. Everything
else about them utterly meaningless.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
But I think it will be effective.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
One, because these places are shielding criminals, leaving them out
in the community, so they ICE will be able to
go out arrest these people and get them deported, which
is good for everyone. But the second thing that's really
beneficial about it, you'll have these places like Chicago and Massachusetts,
which the politicians is there actually elevate themselves by continuing
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to do, you know, be sanctuary cities and shield people and.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Fight ICE and fight Trump. And that's probably not going
to change.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
But there's so many other of these sanctuary cities that
probably will start getting in line and cooperating to some
greater degree with ICE because one, they don't have, you know,
the resources to fight in court and all these things.
And two, their politicians may not be as committed to
other things like Printzkurger. You know, he wants to We
all know he's trying to, you know, he's vying to
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be the Democratic nominee for president, and he has to
show at every chance of these anti ICE, but these
other jurisdictions may decide it's in their interest to cooperate
at least some degree with ICE. So I think it
will have an enormous impact not only on the places
where they're going into but also other places for the
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de turn value.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, that's an interesting point too, because we saw, you know,
obviously he's not able to do what he did in
DC elsewhere in the country, primarily just because under the
Home Rule Will Act, it gives him under emergency authorization,
gives him control over the DC Metropolitan Police. Also, he
directly controls the DC National Guard, so he's got a
little bit more leeway there in d C. And then
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Congress obviously controls Washington, d C under the Constitution. But
what we saw there was the what we're saying is
the DC mayor, Muriel Bowser is actually now on board.
And you know, during the first term, she was sort
of an antagonist and kind of like went after Trump
and you know, try to kind of like do what
we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Some of these other mayors do.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And then now she's like, no, this is good for
my city because crimes down lives are saved.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So we'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
To your point if we see any of these other
mayors kind of like get on board with the idea
of Okay, this is actually like saving lives and good
for my city.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But you know that's to be seen.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
How difficult do these sanctuary cities make it for ICE
to do their job? Like kind of walk us through
just sort of the challenges that these sanctuary cities create
for our ICE agents.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
They create an enormous challenge to their job, and they
also spend enormous causes ICE to spend enormous resources, and
they put the ICE agents in greater danger and the
community greater danger.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And I'll go through it sort of one at a time.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
But what they do like a place to cooperates with ICE,
and a lot of them, a lot of these are
sictions cooperate under what's called the two to eighty seven
G program, which they actually have some people within their jail,
within their sheriff department cooperate with ICE and processing illegal
aliens to be deported. But places that cooperate with ICE,
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if an illegal alien gets arrested today, just hypothetically, if
it was Chicago and they get they get and arrest
in Chicago. Well, ICE will then be notified, they'll put
a detainer on them, and they will not mean the
criminal will not be released. If Chicago did cooperate, of course,
they would not be released out in the public and
they would go through the judicial process whatever their charge was,
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and if they get convicted acquitted, work out on a plea.
However it works at the end of that and at
the end of their sentence, they will then be turned
over to ICE, meaning the Sheriff's office will call ICE
and they were about to release mister Smith on this charge,
and they'll basically ICE will be able to come within
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a certain time period pick them up from the jail
and then put them through the deportation proceedings. So by
doing that, the defendant or the illegal alien is arrested
in a jail, which is very safe for the ICE agents.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It also doesn't take a lot of resources.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
You could send one or two agents to go pick
the guy up bring them to ICE custody, so they're
not in danger. The resources are minimal and the communities
safer because alternatively, if they if they get released out
into the public, you know when the place is so
cooperate then.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
ICE then has to go out find that criminal. That
takes time.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
They have to do an arrest plan to arrest them,
that takes time and resources. They usually have to use
multiple officers to do so, and they may encounter sort
of you know, somebody that's dangerous. Remember, these people are
already in jail for a crime, so when they're out
in the community.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They're also likely to be dangerous.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
So in those cases, ICE would have spent lots of
resources finding them, lots of resources to arrest them, put
themselves in danger, and also put members of the community
a danger, so all of those things. You know, the
resources in terms of money is exponential, but in terms
of risks of lives as far greater.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And the irony is which which these you know sanctuary
cities people, you know, they always talk.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
About, oh, we don't want the law abiding illegal aliens,
which is kind of a contradiction in terms, we don't
want them getting wrapped up and them getting removed if
they're not doing anything else illegal. While they're more likely
those particular people are far more likely to get arrested
because if they're with the alien isis targeting.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
ICE has a.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Responsibility to not let them go if they're here illegally,
so they have to detain and remove them as well,
because that's their job. So it's so much more expensive,
so much more dangerous, and puts these communities at greater
risk by having more criminals out in their communities, victimizing ironically,
the communities these democrats act like they're fighting for which
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in fact, we know they're not fighting for them at all.
They're just fighting for votes and other things that they
think is beneficial for them. So it is so resource intensive.
And when you don't have a sanctuary city, we could
remove meaning you know, our country could remove the most
serious criminals so rapidly and we would get we would
all be safer, all that are off in so many ways.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, and the challenge is too.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I mean when you were acting ICE Director, it was
under President Trump's first term. I mean, things have gotten
so much worse since then, with four years under Joe Biden,
just letting millions of illegal immigrants to the United States,
you know, criminals, gang members, terrorists, you know the rest
of it.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
How challenging is it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
To be the ICE director today after four years of
open borders.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, it's so much harder.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
If you think about because at minimum, the Biden administration
led in probably ten million new illegal aliens. And again,
like you said, we don't even know who they are, right.
We know there's probably within the group they're criminals, terrorists,
other types of bad things, but we really don't even
know because there's no way to really track that. And
it just shows how unconscionable what the Biden administration did
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by letting these people in, and I say let them in,
this was in my view, deliberate because they think it
was beneficial to Democrats, you know, politically, because they did
nothing to stop it. And you look at the way
the Biden administration always talked about illegal aliens. They always
had to use euphemisms, you know, calling them non citizens,
which is really interesting. They're so careful describing illegal aliens,
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but they can freely call law enforcement officers Nazis and
things like that. But what the Biden administration did, they
did there was a complete dereliction of their duty. They
didn't try to deport anyone, even by their own terms.
They had memos about what the criteria is for deporting
people and sort of a short summary of it. You
had to be convicted of an aggravated felony to even
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enter the world of consideration to be deported, so meaning
like nobody was being deported.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But what that did was, Okay, we brought in.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Ten more million people at least to the probably you
know minimum, probably twenty million people that are already here illegally.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So it puts this enormous burden on Ice and on.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Us as citizens because we you know, we get we
get the benefit of pain for you know, increased taxes
for school, for healthcare, all of these things on top
of it all. And the Democrats, as we know, just
brought them in for political purposes.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And we knew back.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Then that this was the game that the Democrats would play,
is like they bring him in all illegally and then act,
you know, they go applectic when people want to remove them,
which seems inherently reasonable.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And when I think that's lost in all of this.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
When people are complaining about Trump, complaining about Ice, Trump
is the one.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Doing his job.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
He you know, he was not just what he was
elected to do, but he's required under the Constitution to
enforce the laws passed by Congress, and those are these
immigration laws. So when people demonize Trump, demonize these Ice agents.
They're really complaining if they if they're being authentic and
being honest, they're really complaining about the wrong people. If
they want these laws to change, these Democrats should go,
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you know, go to Congress and say we want open
borders in mass amnesty.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But of course they.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Don't have the political courage to do that, and they
know it's a loser, so they use all of these ploys,
all of these games, all of this enormous amount of
cynicism to get what their way is, which is mass amnesty.
What they want is mass amnesty for all the illegals
that are here.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Got to take a quick break, say right there, well
dangerous is it to be an ice agent today? Because
you know, we've seen assaults increase more than one thousand percent.
You've got you know a lot of these Democrat officials
calling them the Gestapo, like really just putting it reminds
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me of what we've you know, I feel like it
kind of all started under Obama with Michael Brown and
the whole hands up, don't shoot lie, and then he
sort of put a target on the back of police officers,
and then we saw Black Lives Matter and like two
thousand four, Route and then now it kind of feels
like the next iteration of that where somehow law enforcement,
you know, they're the villains and the victims or you know,
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the heroes or the villains, and then the you know,
victims are somehow the villains. You know, Now it seems
like the next iteration is like ICE is having a
target on their back, Like how dangerous is it to
be an ICE agent? I know a lot of them
are being ducks, Like kind of what are you hearing
from some of these ICE agents?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It's substantially more dangerous, and like you said, it's a
ten fold increase on the assaults, you know, one thousand percent.
And you know, you brought up a great point because
I think it's a great political point. The Democratic Party
has really made a turn, and I think over ten
years ago they are decidedly anti law enforcement. And you
talked about Michael you know, the Michael Brown hounds don't shoot.
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Even if that after that was proven to be false
by everyone, including her Caulder, the Democrats, Hillary Clinton was
still having Michael Brown's family come to events and still
promoting this false narrative. But yeah, it really you know,
carried over to the bl M and we saw all
the suffer because of that, because of the increased crime
that resulted from that. But now it is the ICE
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agents and it's almost like a worse world because of
things like doxy. Not that it's brand new, but it
seems to be more prevalent now. And you think these
agents and you know, I talked to you know, people
that ICE all the time, and I talked to law
enforcement and form of law enforcement all the time. They're
enthusiastic about their job and they're not going to be deterred.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
But what's really you know.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
They're already willing to take the risk dealing with the criminals,
right they have to encounter bad people, and they take
that risk and they know it's there. But when you
have politicians and activists essentially encouraging people to harm them,
you know, they're you know, they all these things that
take off their matt you know, telling them to take
the mass off so you could late so they could
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later be docs. And you know, it does seem to
be there's a line that really had and being crossed,
I think, in least in my view until recently. Because
when you're talking about doxing someone, you're talking about their
family at this point, putting their family at risk, you know,
and law enforcement. You know, officers have always been willing
to put themselves at risk, but now we're asking them
to put their little kids at risk, and their their their.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Husbands or wives at risk. And that's almost like a
new low.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
That's hard to believe we're there, and it's truly hard
to believe that the Democratic politicians, and you know, it
hasn't been that long ago that Democrats used.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
To stand arm in arm with police officers.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And none of them that I'm aware of, have stood
up to some of these comments that people have made
by other politicians.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But you know, when they're you know, like you said,
the Gestapo.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And remember one of the Gestapo commenters was Tim Lowles
at a graduation ceremony. He's a commencement speaker, so something
that was a prepared remarks, probably by staff. So basically
calling ice agents gestopo is really just sort of the
way Democrats refer to them.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It's not just sort of a one off, a slip
of the tongue or something like that. This is really
almost like a standard Democrat talking point, and it's shapeful
and other than maybe like a John Fetterman. I cannot
think of another sort of nationally known Democrat that has
stood up for law enforcements, stood up for ICE agents.
And again they're doing their job, which is to you know,
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enforce the laws passed by Congress. So you think people
in Congress should have responsibility to stand up for their laws.
And if they want different ones, they're the ones. You know,
they can change it. But of course they want to
play this game, which is we're free to stand up
and say open borders publicly, but we're doing everything we
can to have an open border and to have it
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mass ambassy.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, the thing that I don't understand too is like
like even if you look at the two marijuana farms
that were busted, I think there was like, you know,
three hundred and sixty illegal immigrants who were arrested, but
there were four th teen children who were working in
the fields, and one of the youngsters was fourteen years old,
and a child sex predator was among the illegal immigrants
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who were arrested. So you would think that like that
would be a good thing, you know, you think that
would be something we could all support, or like even
Trump locating, you know, I think it's something like twenty
two than six hundred and thirty eight unaccompanied children have
been located. They've arrested four hundred sponsors for various reasons.
Twenty seven miners have been found dead, either by murder
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or suicide drug overdose. We know that a lot of
these children are being human trafficked, Like you would think that,
like that could be something you know, we had all support,
yet you know, here we are.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, it's pretty remarkable if you think about it.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
But if you really think about all these stories in
the news, how many deportations did the Democrats support at all?
It seems like anyone that's been deported, they always have
a reason to be against that deportation. And also just
in the you know, the mainstream media, I guess if
we call it, you know, they always they you know,
they always these efforts to obfuscate the somebody's illegal status.
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You know, they always say, you know, Maryland, they you know,
Marilyn Man is the obvious example, but it's very common.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Minnesota. Man used to Man.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
A lot of people joke about it, but they always
hide it. They'll never say that, you know that, because
they they don't want to do anything, in my view
to discourage people from coming here illegally, or to do
anything to make the people here illegally, you know, leave
and if you think about it, and I'd love to
see it, you know, but they'll never ask it, like
on CNN or anything.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Ask one of these democratic politicians.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Not only that, like who do you want deported among
all the people here? What's your criteria for deportation? But
the other thing that would be interesting, say, for all
the people here illegally, what benefit did American citizens shortly get?
Would you deprive these illegal aliens? And you would you
would get just emming and hawing, or you would get
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the of course they don't get benefits leave, you know,
next question, but they don't even they basically want illegal
aliens treated better than United States citizens. You know, as
I'm sure you don't get a government phone. I don't
get a government phone other than when I work for
the government. But all the illegal aliens coming across stream
Iden got free phones, they get hotel vouchers, they get
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to go to Midtown Manhattan and.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Places like that. It's so astonishing.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
But you're right, they will not they won't say anything
that this is a good thing to get rid of
people because they don't want to get rid of people.
And they look at it like, you know, from the
census numbers, county illegal aliens benefits Democrats, but we all
know the real game here is they want them to
become citizens and they think they will get you know,
two thirds of them as dem voters.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, I mean, like the bottom line is they're putting
American lives at risk for votes in political capital, which
is you know, like it's just it's pretty sick and twisted,
and also like American ins didn't want it because they
rejected it last selection. You know, it's interesting because President
Trump this time in his second administration, he's like sort
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of focusing differently on the drug cartels and some of
these gangs, you know, like he designated drug cartels or
some of these drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. I
think it's for the first time that I believe they
were previously looked at as like criminal enterprises and now
like terrorists.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So that's different. And then he's also used things like
the what.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Is it the Alien Enemies Act as well, so it's
it's clear he's fighting this war differently where.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He's viewing it as an invasion, where he's viewing it
as a war.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Talk about that shift and like, how does that sort
of change the game, and do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Is this a war? Kind of walk us through that
a little bit on.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
The sort of the shift against the drug cartels.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I think it is a major shift in I mean,
obviously to major shift, but it really just shows such
a different approach from the Biden administration, which frankly surrendered
our southern.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Border to the drug cartels.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
If we want to be honest about it, they had
more control down there than we did. But it really
shows these drug cartels, hey, we're done. We're done with
having one hundred thousand Americans die every year of overdoses
from the drugs that are coming across.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
We're taking the fight to you.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And I think what's really helpful about this, which is
there are a lot of these countries where they have
a government, but there's so much influence or controlled by
these drug cartels that the government can't stand up to them,
or you know, they could get killed or other types
of things. This empowers these countries to stand up to
the cartels because they know Donald Trump will have their
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back and we'll go, you know, go hard on these cartels,
and we've already seen in Venezuela. They've even said we're
going to start doing stuff about the cartels. Whether or
not it's true or not but is an question, but
it's very interesting. So I think one, it's taken the
fight to them. Two, I think it will get more
countries on board fighting back on the cartels, which is
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what you need, because you know, if all of these
countries are controlled by the cartels, being Latin America, South America,
it's a lot harder to fight it than if basically
we're all on the same page.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So I think all of it's appropriate.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I think the one thing I think that's different with
the second administration, they had a lot of time to think.
It's almost like you get two first administrations, but the
you know, like it's almost like in life, you always
look back and like, oh if I knew all these
things that when I was younger, I could have done
all these things. They almost have that benefit that the
benefit of hindsight, but the ability to use it in
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a productive way. So a lot of these things I
think were being thought of beforehand, you know. But the
Alien Enemies Act, I think it was a brilliant use
of a way to deport a lot of people efficiently,
and it seems like every time something gets shut down
by a court, the Trumpet miss has another plan to
back that up. But all of it is the best
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part of everything they've done, in my view, is the
messaging has been so strong, and that's why we've had
you know, what's the number, one point six million people
voluntarily left. But I think the messaging on the cartels
is super strong. You're not going to want to be
a member of the cartel, or you're not going to
look at things as easy money. When your risk of
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getting arrested is higher, you might get your risk of
getting killed as higher.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So all of these things are going to have an impact.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
It's not going to eliminate everything, or everything won't be
immediately great.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
But if you look at these.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Drug overdose numbers, which we should find out, you know,
at the end of probably early twenty twenty six, my
guess is they're going to be substantially lower, and a
lot of that is going to be attributed to what
the Trump administration is doing on the cartels and also
doing on the border, because remember under Biden border agents,
sadly we're basically processing migrants. I heard stories of people
(24:01):
basically agents having to babysit migrants as opposed to stopping
drugs from coming through and other things. So all of
these things are great, but the messaging I think has
been outstanding on all of these issues.
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Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, I know that you previously served as the General
counsel for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.
President Trump really does seem like very committed to stopping
fentanyl from coming across the border from you know, trying
to save lives when it comes to.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You know, these.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Cartels and just bringing drugs across the border that could
potentially kill American citizens.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
He's been great on this issue.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And I think if you look back, and I don't
know if it's you know, part of you know, his
brother having substance abuse issues, without that, I.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Was kind of thinking too, like it was like a
personal you know.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
He is he is very tuned into this issue, like
very sensitive to this issue. So he's it's interesting the
way he views it because yeah, tough on the cartels,
but he's not insensitive to people that have issues.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
And we all have somebody, you know, in a close
friend or family member that all going.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Through these issues.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
So he has he really does have a great perspective
on it because he's never drunk or done drugs, but
he has you know, his brother, and I'm sure he
knows other people in his circle that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Have had these issues.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
So he was really tuned into it in the first
administration and has tuned into it now on both the
enforcement level, but also, hey, what's the way to help
the people here that are, you know, maybe addicted or
having other types of issues. How can we help them?
What are what are different ways we're creative ways to
help them. So yeah, I do think his perspective on
it is great. And it's another thing with the Biden administration,
(25:54):
you know, I know, you know I'm going to talk
about you know, Biden was basically a sleep of the switch.
But his administration and it seemed like they were never
even talking about overdose tests. I mean, I'm sure occasionally
they were, never seemed to be a high priority on
the treatment end or the enforcement end. And you look
at the Biden administration, I think the average was one
(26:14):
hundred and one thousand overdose tests per year during the
Biden administration, which is staggering if you think about four
hundred thousand people. And under the Trump's first administration the
number was roughly seventy five thousand per year, So up
substantially just from Biden to Trump. But it's going to
go down next year, or at least by prediction is. But
(26:35):
they're you know, part of solving any problem is focusing,
buying attention.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And resources on it. Is a lot of times half
to battle anything you do.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It's like, hey, if I spend more time doing this,
things will generally get better.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So I think all of these things, you know, we
will see.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
But my prediction is next year these numbers on the
drug overdoses and other metrics are going to be very
favorable in terms of for the American people, which is
a good thing for all of us.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think they're doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And as we pointed out in this conversation, they're dealing
with a lot, you know, like activist judges, an influx
of you know, dangerous illegal aliens, like it's you know,
democrats panning a target rates like there there's all in
ins an onslought coming at them, and you know, I
think they're doing a great job. Jonathan Faye, really appreciate
you making the time today. Thanks for sharing your knowledge
(27:28):
and expertise with us. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Thank you so much. Have a great time.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
That was Jonathan Fahey, former acting ICE director. Appreciate him
making the time for the show. Appreciate you guys at
home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
You can listen throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I also want to thank John Cassio and my producer
for putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Until next time,
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