September 12, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues the in-depth coverage of the tragic assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, offering a raw and emotionally resonant discussion on the cultural, ideological, and psychological factors surrounding the event. This hour emphasizes the radicalization of young men in America, the erosion of traditional values, and the dangerous rhetoric coming from the political Left.
The hosts begin by contrasting Charlie Kirk’s life trajectory—marked by purpose, family, and leadership—with that of his alleged assassin, a 22-year-old who was reportedly raised in a stable home but became consumed by far-left ideology, including Antifa and anti-fascist extremism. Buck Sexton draws from his upcoming book Manufacturing Delusion to explain how brainwashing, Pavlovian conditioning, ideological isolation, and fear-based coercion contribute to radicalization, comparing the process to cult indoctrination and totalitarian control.
A major theme in this hour is the weaponization of language and propaganda. The hosts criticize Democrats and left-leaning media figures for repeatedly labeling Donald Trump and other conservatives as “fascists” or “Hitler,” arguing that such comparisons are not only false but dangerously incite violence. They cite examples like Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett’s inflammatory remarks and discuss how these narratives create moral justification for political violence.
Listeners call in to share personal stories, including one from a trucker who was scheduled to attend a Charlie Kirk event and another from a woman concerned about her niece’s sudden ideological shift. These calls underscore the broader concern among families about the influence of online radical communities and the psychological vulnerability of youth. The show also explores how humor and viral content—such as Charlie Kirk’s viral debate clips—can be powerful tools for reaching and educating young audiences.
The hour closes with heartfelt listener talkbacks expressing gratitude for the show’s honesty and emotional depth, reinforcing the community’s shared grief and commitment to preserving Charlie Kirk’s legacy.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in second hour of the program Friday edition. It
has been a heck of a draining, emotional week for
so many of us across the nation, so many of
you want to weigh in, and so for the next
couple of hours legitimately full open forums, talkbacks, calls, we
(00:23):
are going to get as many of you in as
we can as we roll into the weekend. Point worth discussing.
And I was just joking about this off air, because
I do think we need a little bit of levity
in what has been a very dark week. President Trump
woke up this morning after going to the Yankee game
last night and just rode his motorcade over to the
(00:46):
Fox studios on Sixth Avenue and set down on the
Fox and Friends couch and did an hour of live,
unscripted television on all subjects under the sun, including announcing
that we had the assassin of Charlie Kirk in custody.
And we just came from a president that basically could
(01:08):
never do any media availabilities on any subject and Trump
just rolled in, set down on the couch, a couch
that I've said on and guest hosted Fox and Friends
on the weekend and did an hour straight of unscripted television. Buck,
And it wasn't very long ago, about ten days ago,
that everybody decided because he took a weekend off from
doing media, that he was actually dead. And so I
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do think a big part of this larger discussion needs
to be how many people out there consume audience, consume
media that is consistently wrong about everything, and yet they
keep going back to it over and over and over
again in desperate demand for at some point their fever
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dreams of delusion to be certified. And I do think
that factors in here and one thing, Buck, as we
get ready to take as we get ready to take
some calls here and take some of your talkbacks, I
want all of you to think about this. Buck has
got a book out. Honestly, these are both very timely
books where he tries to get into tell us.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
The name manufacturing delusion, how the Left uses brainwashing, indoctrination
and propaganda against you. I just wanted to be manufacturing delusion,
but subtitles apparently are helpful.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And my book, and that's a very August title. My
book is called Balls, and it's about how Trump, young
men and sports fans saved America. Okay, but I do
think that these are two different sides of the same coin,
much like this assassin is if you compare his life
(02:53):
to Charlie Kirks and let me let me just kind
of run through a little bit here. I feel immense
sadness for so many young men in America because there
for much of history, whatever you thought of politics, there
was a consistent expectation for men. You got married, you
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busted your ass in a job. You had a job
to try to take care of your family and provide
a better life for them. Going forward, you.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Might have to go to war, generously, you may not
have to go back to get killed.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
We had an experience and expectation of manhood that was
universally accepted across the political spectrum. Whatever you think. In
nineteen forty five, a Democrat and a Republican represented, by
and large, there was an understanding of what manhood was
and what it represented. I think so many young men
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in the wake of the me too and in the
toxic universe of this woke culture that has tried to
say manhood itself is toxic. The absence and continued decline
of religion, which helped to frankly allow the foundational elements
of the family, the nuclear family manhood. I think there
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is a desperate yearning for meaning and I think Charlie
Kirk found it. Whatever you think about him, I think
he found a foundational core tenet of life that led
him in a productive way to get married, to have
two kids, to try to communicate to these lost young
men a pathway to what he thought would be a
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better life for them.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, one thing that sorry, yes, one thing I was
going to say, Clay, that is so important when you
look at the competing narratives here about Charlie. There's our narrative,
which is rooted in reality of a man who did
it the right way, was an inspiration, was kind, reliable,
(05:05):
a father, all the things that we have said. So
I want to you know, you know how we feel
about Charlie. But what you will hear from a lot
of people on the left, who of course don't know Charlie.
And this is always another thing, you know, I know
this a little bit of a digression. I know a
lot of people in media on the right, and I
know a lot of people on meeting the left, and
the people on the right are almost always better people.
(05:26):
I'm just telling you the truth, Okay. I mean as people.
I'm not talking about their talent. I'm not talking about
their paycheck or you know, their ratings or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But you know, as humans.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You you know, I was gonna tell you. You you listen
to this radio show. You listen to some of our
peers and radio and some of the people that I
won't name them, you know who they are. If they
were your neighbor, you'd be blessed. If you had to
leave your kids with them, you'd know that, you know,
because you had an emergency. You'd know that they'd be fine.
You know, you'd they'd probably get a home cooked meal
by the time you got home. Like they're good people. Okay,
(05:59):
they're at their good people. There are a lot of
leftists who are truly lost and nasty human beings, I'll
just put it that way. A lot of leftists, and
it's true of the politicians as well. And you see
this and you're aware of this perception. There is a
difference in the view of life. But Clay, we know
who Charlie was. They keep saying Charlie. The other side
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says that he was put including unfortunately this this horrific
assassin that Charlie was spewing hate speech. But what you
see actually when you look at what Charlie said, and
beyond that, look at how his followers act. They act
with love and within the law, and with consideration and
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with kindness. And yet the people that think on the
other side that they're doing some great favor to society
by being violent, not just in this incident, but in
many incidents like it, Antifa and all these others, they
think that they are stopping hate speech, and they never
stop to think that they're the hateful ones that they are,
are the ones who are saying your words upset me,
(07:03):
so I will attack you, I.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Will punch you, I will even kill you. Who's the
one spreading hate? What is the hate that Charlie spreads?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And by the way, I would I would just add
a lot of this comes back to the trans stuff.
That's really where if you push somebody who says that
that the right is spewing hate speech, Clay, it's overwhelmingly
just a version of saying you are racing trans people.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You are You know, these things go go together all
the time. But I think when you if you're talking
about hate, which is the side that is hateful. I
think it couldn't be more clear.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Agree with all of that. Charlie found his life purpose,
he got married, he had kids. This twenty two year
old was looking for his life's purpose, and he found
his life's purpose to be killing Charlie Kirk. How does
that happen? Your book is partly addressing it. I think
(08:04):
it speaks to again, the twenty seven year law enforcement
veteran dad had to turn his son.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I would bet this dad poured his heart and soul
into trying to raise as an uplifting, successful part of
the community. I don't know very many parents who do
anything else. Now, you might fail, and we might find
out that there's something in the background of this kid
that was not ideal that helped to put him on
this awful path. But you have two young men. One
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finds his path and is trying to extend a hand
to everyone else to say, hey, this path works for me.
I think it could work for you too, And so
many young men, in seeing Charlie's path, see a path
for themselves as well. And then you have this twenty
two year old who, by all intents of perc is
appears Buck to have been normal for much of his life,
(09:05):
and he gets radicalized to such an extent somewhere that
he's writing anti pro fascist and anti fascist, anti fascist
and anti anti Nazi comments on bullets that he uses
to incredibly detailed plan the assassination of Charlie Kirk. How
(09:26):
does that happen? How do they get? Again in the pathways?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And I so in the book, Clay, I get into these.
I get into brainwashing. I get into a process called menticide.
I get into Pavlovian conditioning. I get into isolation and
how that is used as a tool in this. I
get into fear as a tool, a tool of ideological coercion. Right,
(09:50):
I mean, these are all different things. I mean, and
again the book's not even out till January, but it's
just this is what my I've been looking at this
because a lot of it was driven by But I
get into the trans thing as well, and how people
who aren't trans themselves will threaten to kill people or
will kill people even because they have the wrong idea
about trans in you know, quote unquote wrong idea that
(10:14):
how does someone get to that point? You know, how
is someone so diluted? And this is a huge problem
in our society because these ideas can grow and can
take root to the point where they can actually cause
a societal upheaval. I mean, you saw this in the
Russian Revolution into the Soviets, and you saw this in
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North Korea, and I get into some of this.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
We're actually the crazy ideas are.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
The mandatory ideas, and the Democrat Party has had some
instances where they have shown us this COVID was one
of the most it was probably the most powerful instance
of it. But also the same thing with men don't
have an advantage over women in sports and other ideas
like this. Right, you get into all of this, but
it is a process of radicalization, and there is something
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that we have to look at here and understand much more,
much more deeply and in a much more cohesive way.
How do we get people off this path. It's a
little bit like getting them out of a cult. It's
a little bit like removing them from an ideological ecosystem
that is self reinforcing and actually deteriorating throughout that process.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Because as you say this, what about.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
This young man in his past, in his background would
make you think that this would But I've gone through
this clay with people that were preparing to strap a
suicide vest on and go into the New York City
subway system, or we're planning to buy AK forty sevens
and grenades to go shoot up a you know, a
Jewish temple in one of the suburbs of New York.
(11:52):
I mean this, these these people are not leading up
to this point. They aren't necessarily from abusive homes. They're
not impoverished there. You know, there hasn't been some but
the ideas and the idea loop grows, and there are
those who are able to manipulate in this way. There
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are those who are able to manufacture these killers through this process,
and we need to take this. I mean we're already
taking it seriously, but we need to understand that there's
a tremendous urgency in this country to figure out how
we handle this because it's going to keep happening, and
it does not have to happen. There are places where
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this does not happen. Our country is a place where
this sort of thing is happening right now, and that
means that there are underlying and foundational issues to be addressed.
And I think that a big part of it is
just holding holding the Democrat Party and the Democrat aligned
media accountable for what they say. When you call someone
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a fascist and you say and you mean it, you
are saying that person is a threat to everyone else,
a threat to all that is good, and violence against
them is justified. China is a communist country. If I
call someone a communist, am I saying we have to
go we have to go murder a billion Chinese people? No,
of course not. It's referring to it as an ideology. Well,
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when you call someone a fascist, there's no fascist country
out there right now, Clay, when you say fascist or Nazi,
you were resurrecting something from the past to justify violence today.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Jasmine Crockett's building on this, just called Trump Hitler today
again on Charlemagne The God Show. And I think when
you specifically analogize Trump to Adolf Hitler, building on what
you are saying, Buck.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You are directly saying, go kill him because we have.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I mean, this was kind of a silly debate that
used to go on. But before the Trump, you baby
Hitler and kill baby Hitler was kind of a ridiculous
sit around the coffee table or while you're having a
beer debate, and when you call someone who is full
grown hitler, you are telling people go kill him, which
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is why you can't say that and then tried to
immediately condemn. I would have more respect for Democrats if
after they tried to kill Trump, if somebody had come
out and said, I wish we had better aim he's his,
because at least it would be consistent in the way
the thinking about it. You can't condemn violence after inciting it.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
We already know there are lines.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
If you just called every as a group, right, you
just called everyone who disagree with you politically, you just
started asserting that they were child molesters, we would know
that's defamation, that's wrong, that's unethical. You're trying to say
that this person is the worst kind of human being, imaginable,
the most vile, the most the most you know, lacking
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and decency, imaginable. We would understand, right, everybody would know
if you just go around saying, oh, you're running against
me for this office, you're a child molester. Everybody would
know that that is cross seeing a clear You know
that you're saying this to defame someone, crossing a clear line,
which of course they've said all kinds of things about Trump.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
You don't have to.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I've said he's a rapist, They've said everything. But yeah,
with this, to call someone a nazi isn't crossing the line.
To say that you are truly a fascist who's going
to end the republic and therefore our country is going
to collapse, that is crossing the line.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
There will not be elections again, which is what they
have argued for years now, a decade. That tes a dictator.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Who will people remember because it was it was a
very uh, we got to go to a break and we
want to take your calls here, so we'll get to it.
But when I did that Bill Maher appearance, and it
was when the Democrats, I was there to tell them
what was coming, and I did, and it did happen
that way.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
But I remember I looked at Bill Maher. I think
it might have been in the post show video they do.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I said, I mean, you know that it's going to
be okay if Trump wins, right, He's going to win,
and everything's going to be fine. And he looked me, right,
and he goes, I absolutely do not know that. I
think the country might end. Well, that's insane. You have
a problem you should go seek counseling. Speak to your priests.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're gonna
get to a bunch of your calls, but I wanted
to play this for you because we just referenced it.
Congresswoman Jasmine Clark one of the dumbest, yet somehow most
influential Democrats on the planet. She went on Charlotte and
the Gods Show and she said, I'm not necessarily calling
Trump hitler. Just listen.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
We got to talk about like what it means when
you're running for president or you're running for one of
these higher offices and you go out there and you
talk about beating people up. You go out there and
you say things like I could shoot somebody in the
middle of the street in New York and I could
still win. We got to talk about like that is
next level me disagreeing with you, me calling you, you know,
I want to be hitler. All those things are like
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not necessarily saying go out and hurt somebody, But when
you're literally telling people at rallies, yeah, beat them up,
and that kind of stuff, like you are promoting like
a culture of violence. So we need to talk about
like what it looks like when you don't promote a
culture of violence.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I think her job is to say the dumbest things
imaginable so that anything else that a Democrat says, by
comparison seems more reasonable.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Like that's her.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Actual job is to try to open the overton windows
so wide that it's not possible to say something as
stupid as Congresswoman Crockett. Therefore, whatever you say, it's not
as dumb as what she says, and it helps Democrats.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That may be what they use her as is like
the battering ram of stupidity that opens the door for
everything else. But to not understand the basic logic of
the argument you just made there of Hey, we've got
to watch basically the language that we're using. I'm not
necessarily telling people to kill Hitler. I mean they are.
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I think the easiest way.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
To explain why choose Hitler if you don't want violence
against the perdu You know what I'm saying, there's a
lot of people you could point out in history who
were you could just point out to bad previous president anyway,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But yeah, no, we're gonna go to calls. But I mean,
I do think what you've got here is clear incitement,
and then when you incite the act for which you
are clearly inciting, when it occurs, you say, oh, well
we condemn this. You can't light the fire, and then say, boy,
I wish this house wasn't burning down. I condemned fire.
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That's what's going on.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I'm hearing el Rushbo right now talking about the drive bys.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
This is what they do.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
They just spray destruction in bedlam and just move on
past and pretend like nothing happened, pretend like they had
no part in it, and they are neck deep and
all this stuff we're talking about, all right, calls We
want to do it because we got so many people
that want to weigh in. So you picked the top
of the list, mister Clay.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Jem in Denver. I believe you say, Jim, you were
scheduled to go to the next one of the next
stops on Charlie Kirk's tour, which got for.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Us correct up at Colorado State University. So with this
shooter's father being a police officer, and thinking that he
was brought up the right way by a police officer,
I would hope his father would encourage him to cooperate
every way possible with the police to have a better
understanding of the Antifa tights that that ruined his mind
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and caused him to do this evil act.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Amen Buck, I think one of the outcomes of this
needs to be if we haven't already done it, and
maybe it's underway, but I haven't seen a lot of
attention on it into the root, stem, and branch of
Antifa in a way that directly goes to their organizational structure.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I just I want to get to these other calls.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I just want to point out because this is bringing
back to I saw and dealt with Antifa in the
earliest days, right going back over a decade now, as
a movement in this country, and they there were these
open debates that would happen or discussions I should say,
not debates about because right wingers are Nazis, and because
punching Nazis is okay, isn't it therefore okay to punch
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right wingers? This this was this was a thing that
they would they would talk about openly. And and also
the speech equals violence paradigm or the speech equals violence
framework that they would use. They would say, well, because
what you say is as bad as violence, my violence
against your speech is justified, even though I'm the first
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one to commit violence. I know that's dizzying, and that's
sort of this self looking ice cream cone of logic,
but that is actually this is widespread among the antiphotypes.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
John and Texas. What's going on, John.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
McCall. And it's rough days these days, but when they
need to study or more people need to study the history.
Hitler and the Nazis originated from the National Socialist Party
Socialist So I don't know why people can't look up
and say, well, that is where the left is coming from,
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and they are the ones that are actually the Nazis,
and then the socialists generally speaking, the ones that are
on top, the leaders, They are the ones that make
the money. They are the ones that get typed. Well,
aosa's that thing Stacey and Abrams looked up and she
got a billion dollars to some group she haded at,
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and that pass out the money to the sales like that.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But I appreciate the call, John. I think what John's
hitting on Buck. A lot of times we talk about
political spectrums. I think it's honestly more accurate sometimes to
call it a political circle, because both logical extensions end
in a form of totalitarianism. Whether it's coming from the
left or the right, it is a complete control and
eradication of enemy. And that is I think where you
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become susceptible to this. I'd also point out variety of
opinion inside of party basically does not exist on the
left now, and it is a strength of a political
party to have multiple different competing perspectives because it limits totalitarianism.
There's actually a wide variety of reasons people support the
Republican Party, the Democrat Party that's become increasingly less so he's.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Unfortunately become Trump de range. But Jonah Goldberg wrote a
very good book Liberal Fascism almost twenty years ago now Clay,
that addresses exactly this, which is that the liberal in
this country or the leftist is a well that socialism
is of the left and fascism is of the left.
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And this is what people don't really under that that
you know, there's a oh the right, right wing, right
wing totalitarian it is fascism, no fascism and communism. And
this we saw this play out in pre World War
through Germany. We're fighting over the same a lot of
the same recruits and the same people, and that's why
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there was violence against them. But they were both collectivists.
It just one was a globalist collectivist in the case
of the Soviet uh, the Soviet model, whereas there was
a nationalist collectivist in the case of the fascists. Right,
but there's a lot of uh and yeah, national socialists.
Obviously what the Nazi Party actually was, there was a
reason for why they called themselves that.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Tara in North Carolina, what's going on? Tara?
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Hey there, thank you. We love working your show. I
have my other niece here with me.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Her name is Abby, and well, hi, Abbey, we appreciate
you being a part of the show.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Well, we were calling in because, you know, earlier in
the conversation today, you know, you were talking about what
makes the youth want to go and do these things
and if they grow up in a family that you know,
is considered a decent, traditional family. And I have another
niece and she's a sixteen also, and and we don't
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really know what happened to send her to the liberal side,
and we we about to talk about it every day,
and so that's why I was calling in to just
say it kind of happens before your eyes. It's like,
over the past year, she's just gone, you know, to
be so liberal and it's just almost scary.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I think this is one of the huge fears for
families out there, Buck. I mean, and I think every
family out there has someone they can point to that
has been lost to a in some way life that
is the opposite of how they were raised.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I think that there are forms of mental illness that
make people much more likely to become leftists. They're much
more susceptible to the ideology of the left because of
challenges that they have in their mind that pre that
are sort of pre existing from the indoctrination phase. That's
one component of this. I think that you'll increasingly see
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that there are differences in just brain you know, if
you were to do it like a functional MRI, a
functional MRI, I think that there are differences in the
way that people on the hard left their brains fire
than other people. This is my belief a lot there's
a lot of early data that supports this kind of stuff.
You know, you can actually see like bipolarity on a
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functional MRI. You can, you know, an fMRI you can
see extreme mental illness. It changes the way that the
brain is actually firing in certain ways. And I think
that leftism is something that you if you tried to,
I think you'd be able to start to map that
out more than the brain. Because it is irrational. It
does not it does not make sense to Clay to
compare Trump to Hitler.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Trump hasn't killed anybody in this country. He's actually doing
great things.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Hitler tried to take over the entire world and murdered
millions and millions of people, eleven million of the Death Camp,
six million.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Jews, Like, how are you comparing these things?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
This is like saying a mouse is an elephant, and
we're all supposed to look at you and say, yeah,
those two things are similar, they're not.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Or a man as a woman.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And I think it's intentional. I think they know that
if they can get you to lie about objective biological reality.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Takes you down to lie about everything. Well, this is
a going back to my book Manufacturing Collusion. This is
why in totalitarianism it's so important that you have to
be a part of the lie. Clay, there was something
that the Nazis used to enforced called physiognomic insubordination, which
is a very complex way of saying, if you don't
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seem enthusiastic enough, you know, making the hand gestures and
the you know they they would come over and and
you could get in a lot of trouble. You you know,
you could disappear if you're if you made the wrong face.
You know, it would be like if somebody walked around
during the national anthem and you know you you didn't
look patriotic enough. That was something the Nazis and for
(29:31):
physionomic insubordination. Your your body slouched, you looked unhappy while
you were chanting the mandatory slogans.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
This is why, I mean it still exists in North Korea.
This is why when you see North Korean celebratory events
in totalitarian governments, they are exaggerating their enthusiasm for fear
of potentially being severely consequented if they engage in behavior
that doesn't suggest that they are fans of the dear leader.
(30:01):
This is why you have to have the painting or sorry,
the photograph of in a prominent place of Kim Jong
Un off side of your home.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And if you and if it's damaged, you can be
you can be sent to the camps, or you can
even be executed. That photo is more important in North
Korea than your own family. And that is that is
by law there, not that there's really law, but by
whatever you want to call it, the writ of the
of the totalitarian system that they have.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
We got more call, you know, Claid, you want to want,
We want to we do.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
A lovely read here and we'll take some more calls
the other side because we've got every line lit still.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, no doubt, We'll continue to take your calls. We
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And uh and you put money on Sequan, because how
could we expect a different outcome here? Sequan has not
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Let's dive into some talkbacks and some calls, and we
just we greatly appreciate all of you in this week
to be able to come together with you and to
have this time where we can grieve but also celebrate
the incredible legacy of our friend Charlie Kirk and make
sure that everyone knows that we stand together. We are unbowed.
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We are unbroken, and we will continue on in this fight.
And we do this for all of you every day,
and we know that you are with us in this
so thank you so much for that. We'll let's do,
first off, a call here Ted from Texas. Go ahead, Ted,
I think.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
You brought a young generation in together. I was calling
on the day of his assassination. I was carputing with
about six boys in my car. I'm talking about black kids, Hispanic,
white kids, and all they did was talk about Charnie Kirk.
I go, what do you know about him? And they go,
he just destroys liberals. We watch my on TikTok YouTube
(34:16):
and it's so funny. I go, well, that's not part
of Charni Kirk. It's not only about the funny stuff
that you see that he destroys the Democrats. Let's talk
about the man. And so I got into that conversation.
I said, what he does. What I want you to
do is watch him and how he verbalizes. Because you're
(34:37):
gonna have job interviews someday, You're gonna have you know,
meet girl, all these stuff you do, it's gonna be
I'm just emotionally pissed off.
Speaker 10 (34:46):
But it's like you why and watch him and watch
what he does and how he speaks, and that's more
important than what you guys think is funny on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I'm sorry, no, no, don't be saying thank you for
calling in, thank you for sharing with us, Teb, we
appreciate you. You take care of those boys, thank you.
I think Buck what he's getting at, though, is go
to people where they are a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Of these young kids, they see the funny clips of
somebody making what do they think is funny? They think
a ridiculous, indefensible argument is funny when it is pointed
out to be ridiculous and indefensible. And that's what Charlie
has done. And sometimes you know this, everybody knows this.
Sometimes the best way to reach people to change minds
(35:36):
is through humor because it isn't as dogmatic, and humor
allows nuance. And what is the ultimate enemy to all authoritarians?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Why can't make a joke about them? You can't make
a joke about Kim Jong un? You'll be murdered. AA
listener talkback, Robert from San Diego, play it. I believe
this is probably one of the best shows that you
have ever done. You are telling the truth and you
are telling it with sincerity.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Thank you well, Thank you, Robert.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
We really really appreciate the support and we certainly need
it right now. We all need it. Todd from New
Jersey listens on wor play CC.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
This is one of your.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Three hour brigade.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Men, profoundly touched by your emotions and your sentiments, and
thank you so much for being there. We love all
of you in our three hour brigade, and all of
you who listen at any point, thank you so much.
That was in reference to yesterday's show, but we wanted
to hear from Todd. We'll dive into more here our
three and try to get ourselves in the right frame
(36:47):
of mind to get it in the weekend.
Welcome in second hour of the program Friday edition. It
has been a heck of a draining, emotional week for
so many of us across the nation, so many of
you want to weigh in, and so for the next
couple of hours legitimately full open forums, talkbacks, calls, we
(00:23):
are going to get as many of you in as
we can as we roll into the weekend. Point worth discussing.
And I was just joking about this off air, because
I do think we need a little bit of levity
in what has been a very dark week. President Trump
woke up this morning after going to the Yankee game
last night and just rode his motorcade over to the
(00:46):
Fox studios on Sixth Avenue and set down on the
Fox and Friends couch and did an hour of live,
unscripted television on all subjects under the sun, including announcing
that we had the assassin of Charlie Kirk in custody.
And we just came from a president that basically could
(01:08):
never do any media availabilities on any subject and Trump
just rolled in, set down on the couch, a couch
that I've said on and guest hosted Fox and Friends
on the weekend and did an hour straight of unscripted television. Buck,
And it wasn't very long ago, about ten days ago,
that everybody decided because he took a weekend off from
doing media, that he was actually dead. And so I
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do think a big part of this larger discussion needs
to be how many people out there consume audience, consume
media that is consistently wrong about everything, and yet they
keep going back to it over and over and over
again in desperate demand for at some point their fever
(01:56):
dreams of delusion to be certified. And I do think
that factors in here and one thing, Buck, as we
get ready to take as we get ready to take
some calls here and take some of your talkbacks, I
want all of you to think about this. Buck has
got a book out. Honestly, these are both very timely
books where he tries to get into tell us.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
The name manufacturing delusion, how the Left uses brainwashing, indoctrination
and propaganda against you. I just wanted to be manufacturing delusion,
but subtitles apparently are helpful.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And my book, and that's a very August title. My
book is called Balls, and it's about how Trump, young
men and sports fans saved America. Okay, but I do
think that these are two different sides of the same coin,
much like this assassin is if you compare his life
(02:53):
to Charlie Kirks and let me let me just kind
of run through a little bit here. I feel immense
sadness for so many young men in America because there
for much of history, whatever you thought of politics, there
was a consistent expectation for men. You got married, you
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busted your ass in a job. You had a job
to try to take care of your family and provide
a better life for them. Going forward, you.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Might have to go to war, generously, you may not
have to go back to get killed.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
We had an experience and expectation of manhood that was
universally accepted across the political spectrum. Whatever you think. In
nineteen forty five, a Democrat and a Republican represented, by
and large, there was an understanding of what manhood was
and what it represented. I think so many young men
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in the wake of the me too and in the
toxic universe of this woke culture that has tried to
say manhood itself is toxic. The absence and continued decline
of religion, which helped to frankly allow the foundational elements
of the family, the nuclear family manhood. I think there
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is a desperate yearning for meaning and I think Charlie
Kirk found it. Whatever you think about him, I think
he found a foundational core tenet of life that led
him in a productive way to get married, to have
two kids, to try to communicate to these lost young
men a pathway to what he thought would be a
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better life for them.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, one thing that sorry, yes, one thing I was
going to say, Clay, that is so important when you
look at the competing narratives here about Charlie. There's our narrative,
which is rooted in reality of a man who did
it the right way, was an inspiration, was kind, reliable,
(05:05):
a father, all the things that we have said. So
I want to you know, you know how we feel
about Charlie. But what you will hear from a lot
of people on the left, who of course don't know Charlie.
And this is always another thing, you know, I know
this a little bit of a digression. I know a
lot of people in media on the right, and I
know a lot of people on meeting the left, and
the people on the right are almost always better people.
(05:26):
I'm just telling you the truth, Okay. I mean as people.
I'm not talking about their talent. I'm not talking about
their paycheck or you know, their ratings or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But you know, as humans.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You you know, I was gonna tell you. You you listen
to this radio show. You listen to some of our
peers and radio and some of the people that I
won't name them, you know who they are. If they
were your neighbor, you'd be blessed. If you had to
leave your kids with them, you'd know that, you know,
because you had an emergency. You'd know that they'd be fine.
You know, you'd they'd probably get a home cooked meal
by the time you got home. Like they're good people. Okay,
(05:59):
they're at their good people. There are a lot of
leftists who are truly lost and nasty human beings, I'll
just put it that way. A lot of leftists, and
it's true of the politicians as well. And you see
this and you're aware of this perception. There is a
difference in the view of life. But Clay, we know
who Charlie was. They keep saying Charlie. The other side
(06:20):
says that he was put including unfortunately this this horrific
assassin that Charlie was spewing hate speech. But what you
see actually when you look at what Charlie said, and
beyond that, look at how his followers act. They act
with love and within the law, and with consideration and
(06:42):
with kindness. And yet the people that think on the
other side that they're doing some great favor to society
by being violent, not just in this incident, but in
many incidents like it, Antifa and all these others, they
think that they are stopping hate speech, and they never
stop to think that they're the hateful ones that they are,
are the ones who are saying your words upset me,
(07:03):
so I will attack you, I.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Will punch you, I will even kill you. Who's the
one spreading hate? What is the hate that Charlie spreads?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And by the way, I would I would just add
a lot of this comes back to the trans stuff.
That's really where if you push somebody who says that
that the right is spewing hate speech, Clay, it's overwhelmingly
just a version of saying you are racing trans people.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You are You know, these things go go together all
the time. But I think when you if you're talking
about hate, which is the side that is hateful. I
think it couldn't be more clear.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Agree with all of that. Charlie found his life purpose,
he got married, he had kids. This twenty two year
old was looking for his life's purpose, and he found
his life's purpose to be killing Charlie Kirk. How does
that happen? Your book is partly addressing it. I think
(08:04):
it speaks to again, the twenty seven year law enforcement
veteran dad had to turn his son.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I would bet this dad poured his heart and soul
into trying to raise as an uplifting, successful part of
the community. I don't know very many parents who do
anything else. Now, you might fail, and we might find
out that there's something in the background of this kid
that was not ideal that helped to put him on
this awful path. But you have two young men. One
(08:41):
finds his path and is trying to extend a hand
to everyone else to say, hey, this path works for me.
I think it could work for you too, And so
many young men, in seeing Charlie's path, see a path
for themselves as well. And then you have this twenty
two year old who, by all intents of perc is
appears Buck to have been normal for much of his life,
(09:05):
and he gets radicalized to such an extent somewhere that
he's writing anti pro fascist and anti fascist, anti fascist
and anti anti Nazi comments on bullets that he uses
to incredibly detailed plan the assassination of Charlie Kirk. How
(09:26):
does that happen? How do they get? Again in the pathways?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And I so in the book, Clay, I get into these.
I get into brainwashing. I get into a process called menticide.
I get into Pavlovian conditioning. I get into isolation and
how that is used as a tool in this. I
get into fear as a tool, a tool of ideological coercion. Right,
(09:50):
I mean, these are all different things. I mean, and
again the book's not even out till January, but it's
just this is what my I've been looking at this
because a lot of it was driven by But I
get into the trans thing as well, and how people
who aren't trans themselves will threaten to kill people or
will kill people even because they have the wrong idea
about trans in you know, quote unquote wrong idea that
(10:14):
how does someone get to that point? You know, how
is someone so diluted? And this is a huge problem
in our society because these ideas can grow and can
take root to the point where they can actually cause
a societal upheaval. I mean, you saw this in the
Russian Revolution into the Soviets, and you saw this in
(10:35):
North Korea, and I get into some of this.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
We're actually the crazy ideas are.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
The mandatory ideas, and the Democrat Party has had some
instances where they have shown us this COVID was one
of the most it was probably the most powerful instance
of it. But also the same thing with men don't
have an advantage over women in sports and other ideas
like this. Right, you get into all of this, but
it is a process of radicalization, and there is something
(11:05):
that we have to look at here and understand much more,
much more deeply and in a much more cohesive way.
How do we get people off this path. It's a
little bit like getting them out of a cult. It's
a little bit like removing them from an ideological ecosystem
that is self reinforcing and actually deteriorating throughout that process.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Because as you say this, what about.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
This young man in his past, in his background would
make you think that this would But I've gone through
this clay with people that were preparing to strap a
suicide vest on and go into the New York City
subway system, or we're planning to buy AK forty sevens
and grenades to go shoot up a you know, a
Jewish temple in one of the suburbs of New York.
(11:52):
I mean this, these these people are not leading up
to this point. They aren't necessarily from abusive homes. They're
not impoverished there. You know, there hasn't been some but
the ideas and the idea loop grows, and there are
those who are able to manipulate in this way. There
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are those who are able to manufacture these killers through this process,
and we need to take this. I mean we're already
taking it seriously, but we need to understand that there's
a tremendous urgency in this country to figure out how
we handle this because it's going to keep happening, and
it does not have to happen. There are places where
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this does not happen. Our country is a place where
this sort of thing is happening right now, and that
means that there are underlying and foundational issues to be addressed.
And I think that a big part of it is
just holding holding the Democrat Party and the Democrat aligned
media accountable for what they say. When you call someone
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a fascist and you say and you mean it, you
are saying that person is a threat to everyone else,
a threat to all that is good, and violence against
them is justified. China is a communist country. If I
call someone a communist, am I saying we have to
go we have to go murder a billion Chinese people? No,
of course not. It's referring to it as an ideology. Well,
(13:16):
when you call someone a fascist, there's no fascist country
out there right now, Clay, when you say fascist or Nazi,
you were resurrecting something from the past to justify violence today.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Jasmine Crockett's building on this, just called Trump Hitler today
again on Charlemagne The God Show. And I think when
you specifically analogize Trump to Adolf Hitler, building on what
you are saying, Buck.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You are directly saying, go kill him because we have.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I mean, this was kind of a silly debate that
used to go on. But before the Trump, you baby
Hitler and kill baby Hitler was kind of a ridiculous
sit around the coffee table or while you're having a
beer debate, and when you call someone who is full
grown hitler, you are telling people go kill him, which
(14:10):
is why you can't say that and then tried to
immediately condemn. I would have more respect for Democrats if
after they tried to kill Trump, if somebody had come
out and said, I wish we had better aim he's his,
because at least it would be consistent in the way
the thinking about it. You can't condemn violence after inciting it.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
We already know there are lines.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
If you just called every as a group, right, you
just called everyone who disagree with you politically, you just
started asserting that they were child molesters, we would know
that's defamation, that's wrong, that's unethical. You're trying to say
that this person is the worst kind of human being, imaginable,
the most vile, the most the most you know, lacking
(14:51):
and decency, imaginable. We would understand, right, everybody would know
if you just go around saying, oh, you're running against
me for this office, you're a child molester. Everybody would
know that that is cross seeing a clear You know
that you're saying this to defame someone, crossing a clear line,
which of course they've said all kinds of things about Trump.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
You don't have to.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I've said he's a rapist, They've said everything. But yeah,
with this, to call someone a nazi isn't crossing the line.
To say that you are truly a fascist who's going
to end the republic and therefore our country is going
to collapse, that is crossing the line.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
There will not be elections again, which is what they
have argued for years now, a decade. That tes a dictator.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Who will people remember because it was it was a
very uh, we got to go to a break and we
want to take your calls here, so we'll get to it.
But when I did that Bill Maher appearance, and it
was when the Democrats, I was there to tell them
what was coming, and I did, and it did happen
that way.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
But I remember I looked at Bill Maher. I think
it might have been in the post show video they do.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I said, I mean, you know that it's going to
be okay if Trump wins, right, He's going to win,
and everything's going to be fine. And he looked me, right,
and he goes, I absolutely do not know that. I
think the country might end. Well, that's insane. You have
a problem you should go seek counseling. Speak to your priests.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're gonna
get to a bunch of your calls, but I wanted
to play this for you because we just referenced it.
Congresswoman Jasmine Clark one of the dumbest, yet somehow most
influential Democrats on the planet. She went on Charlotte and
the Gods Show and she said, I'm not necessarily calling
Trump hitler. Just listen.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
We got to talk about like what it means when
you're running for president or you're running for one of
these higher offices and you go out there and you
talk about beating people up. You go out there and
you say things like I could shoot somebody in the
middle of the street in New York and I could
still win. We got to talk about like that is
next level me disagreeing with you, me calling you, you know,
I want to be hitler. All those things are like
(19:38):
not necessarily saying go out and hurt somebody, But when
you're literally telling people at rallies, yeah, beat them up,
and that kind of stuff, like you are promoting like
a culture of violence. So we need to talk about
like what it looks like when you don't promote a
culture of violence.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I think her job is to say the dumbest things
imaginable so that anything else that a Democrat says, by
comparison seems more reasonable.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Like that's her.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Actual job is to try to open the overton windows
so wide that it's not possible to say something as
stupid as Congresswoman Crockett. Therefore, whatever you say, it's not
as dumb as what she says, and it helps Democrats.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That may be what they use her as is like
the battering ram of stupidity that opens the door for
everything else. But to not understand the basic logic of
the argument you just made there of Hey, we've got
to watch basically the language that we're using. I'm not
necessarily telling people to kill Hitler. I mean they are.
(20:38):
I think the easiest way.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
To explain why choose Hitler if you don't want violence
against the perdu You know what I'm saying, there's a
lot of people you could point out in history who
were you could just point out to bad previous president anyway,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But yeah, no, we're gonna go to calls. But I mean,
I do think what you've got here is clear incitement,
and then when you incite the act for which you
are clearly inciting, when it occurs, you say, oh, well
we condemn this. You can't light the fire, and then say, boy,
I wish this house wasn't burning down. I condemned fire.
(21:13):
That's what's going on.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I'm hearing el Rushbo right now talking about the drive bys.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
This is what they do.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
They just spray destruction in bedlam and just move on
past and pretend like nothing happened, pretend like they had
no part in it, and they are neck deep and
all this stuff we're talking about, all right, calls We
want to do it because we got so many people
that want to weigh in. So you picked the top
of the list, mister Clay.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Jem in Denver. I believe you say, Jim, you were
scheduled to go to the next one of the next
stops on Charlie Kirk's tour, which got for.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Us correct up at Colorado State University. So with this
shooter's father being a police officer, and thinking that he
was brought up the right way by a police officer,
I would hope his father would encourage him to cooperate
every way possible with the police to have a better
understanding of the Antifa tights that that ruined his mind
(22:08):
and caused him to do this evil act.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Amen Buck, I think one of the outcomes of this
needs to be if we haven't already done it, and
maybe it's underway, but I haven't seen a lot of
attention on it into the root, stem, and branch of
Antifa in a way that directly goes to their organizational structure.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I just I want to get to these other calls.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I just want to point out because this is bringing
back to I saw and dealt with Antifa in the
earliest days, right going back over a decade now, as
a movement in this country, and they there were these
open debates that would happen or discussions I should say,
not debates about because right wingers are Nazis, and because
punching Nazis is okay, isn't it therefore okay to punch
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right wingers? This this was this was a thing that
they would they would talk about openly. And and also
the speech equals violence paradigm or the speech equals violence
framework that they would use. They would say, well, because
what you say is as bad as violence, my violence
against your speech is justified, even though I'm the first
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one to commit violence. I know that's dizzying, and that's
sort of this self looking ice cream cone of logic,
but that is actually this is widespread among the antiphotypes.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
John and Texas. What's going on, John.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
McCall. And it's rough days these days, but when they
need to study or more people need to study the history.
Hitler and the Nazis originated from the National Socialist Party
Socialist So I don't know why people can't look up
and say, well, that is where the left is coming from,
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and they are the ones that are actually the Nazis,
and then the socialists generally speaking, the ones that are
on top, the leaders, They are the ones that make
the money. They are the ones that get typed. Well,
aosa's that thing Stacey and Abrams looked up and she
got a billion dollars to some group she haded at,
(24:09):
and that pass out the money to the sales like that.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But I appreciate the call, John. I think what John's
hitting on Buck. A lot of times we talk about
political spectrums. I think it's honestly more accurate sometimes to
call it a political circle, because both logical extensions end
in a form of totalitarianism. Whether it's coming from the
left or the right, it is a complete control and
eradication of enemy. And that is I think where you
(24:37):
become susceptible to this. I'd also point out variety of
opinion inside of party basically does not exist on the
left now, and it is a strength of a political
party to have multiple different competing perspectives because it limits totalitarianism.
There's actually a wide variety of reasons people support the
Republican Party, the Democrat Party that's become increasingly less so he's.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Unfortunately become Trump de range. But Jonah Goldberg wrote a
very good book Liberal Fascism almost twenty years ago now Clay,
that addresses exactly this, which is that the liberal in
this country or the leftist is a well that socialism
is of the left and fascism is of the left.
(25:20):
And this is what people don't really under that that
you know, there's a oh the right, right wing, right
wing totalitarian it is fascism, no fascism and communism. And
this we saw this play out in pre World War
through Germany. We're fighting over the same a lot of
the same recruits and the same people, and that's why
(25:40):
there was violence against them. But they were both collectivists.
It just one was a globalist collectivist in the case
of the Soviet uh, the Soviet model, whereas there was
a nationalist collectivist in the case of the fascists. Right,
but there's a lot of uh and yeah, national socialists.
Obviously what the Nazi Party actually was, there was a
reason for why they called themselves that.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Tara in North Carolina, what's going on? Tara?
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Hey there, thank you. We love working your show. I
have my other niece here with me.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Her name is Abby, and well, hi, Abbey, we appreciate
you being a part of the show.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Well, we were calling in because, you know, earlier in
the conversation today, you know, you were talking about what
makes the youth want to go and do these things
and if they grow up in a family that you know,
is considered a decent, traditional family. And I have another
niece and she's a sixteen also, and and we don't
(26:37):
really know what happened to send her to the liberal side,
and we we about to talk about it every day,
and so that's why I was calling in to just
say it kind of happens before your eyes. It's like,
over the past year, she's just gone, you know, to
be so liberal and it's just almost scary.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I think this is one of the huge fears for
families out there, Buck. I mean, and I think every
family out there has someone they can point to that
has been lost to a in some way life that
is the opposite of how they were raised.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I think that there are forms of mental illness that
make people much more likely to become leftists. They're much
more susceptible to the ideology of the left because of
challenges that they have in their mind that pre that
are sort of pre existing from the indoctrination phase. That's
one component of this. I think that you'll increasingly see
(27:35):
that there are differences in just brain you know, if
you were to do it like a functional MRI, a
functional MRI, I think that there are differences in the
way that people on the hard left their brains fire
than other people. This is my belief a lot there's
a lot of early data that supports this kind of stuff.
You know, you can actually see like bipolarity on a
(27:58):
functional MRI. You can, you know, an fMRI you can
see extreme mental illness. It changes the way that the
brain is actually firing in certain ways. And I think
that leftism is something that you if you tried to,
I think you'd be able to start to map that
out more than the brain. Because it is irrational. It
does not it does not make sense to Clay to
compare Trump to Hitler.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Trump hasn't killed anybody in this country. He's actually doing
great things.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Hitler tried to take over the entire world and murdered
millions and millions of people, eleven million of the Death Camp,
six million.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Jews, Like, how are you comparing these things?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
This is like saying a mouse is an elephant, and
we're all supposed to look at you and say, yeah,
those two things are similar, they're not.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Or a man as a woman.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And I think it's intentional. I think they know that
if they can get you to lie about objective biological reality.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Takes you down to lie about everything. Well, this is
a going back to my book Manufacturing Collusion. This is
why in totalitarianism it's so important that you have to
be a part of the lie. Clay, there was something
that the Nazis used to enforced called physiognomic insubordination, which
is a very complex way of saying, if you don't
(29:08):
seem enthusiastic enough, you know, making the hand gestures and
the you know they they would come over and and
you could get in a lot of trouble. You you know,
you could disappear if you're if you made the wrong face.
You know, it would be like if somebody walked around
during the national anthem and you know you you didn't
look patriotic enough. That was something the Nazis and for
(29:31):
physionomic insubordination. Your your body slouched, you looked unhappy while
you were chanting the mandatory slogans.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
This is why, I mean it still exists in North Korea.
This is why when you see North Korean celebratory events
in totalitarian governments, they are exaggerating their enthusiasm for fear
of potentially being severely consequented if they engage in behavior
that doesn't suggest that they are fans of the dear leader.
(30:01):
This is why you have to have the painting or sorry,
the photograph of in a prominent place of Kim Jong
Un off side of your home.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And if you and if it's damaged, you can be
you can be sent to the camps, or you can
even be executed. That photo is more important in North
Korea than your own family. And that is that is
by law there, not that there's really law, but by
whatever you want to call it, the writ of the
of the totalitarian system that they have.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
We got more call, you know, Claid, you want to want,
We want to we do.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
A lovely read here and we'll take some more calls
the other side because we've got every line lit still.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, no doubt, We'll continue to take your calls. We
want you to be able to react. It's been a
tough week for many of us, all of us really
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a message there. Unfortunately, Buck, we already lost on the
prize picks Pick. It was a tough one last night.
Jaden Daniels did not come through for us. Congratulations to
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Speaker 2 (31:12):
And uh and you put money on Sequan, because how
could we expect a different outcome here? Sequan has not
yet played. Okay, hold on, correction, we won.
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We won.
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and as a result, we actually did win the first
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Let's dive into some talkbacks and some calls, and we
just we greatly appreciate all of you in this week
to be able to come together with you and to
have this time where we can grieve but also celebrate
the incredible legacy of our friend Charlie Kirk and make
sure that everyone knows that we stand together. We are unbowed.
(33:39):
We are unbroken, and we will continue on in this fight.
And we do this for all of you every day,
and we know that you are with us in this
so thank you so much for that. We'll let's do,
first off, a call here Ted from Texas. Go ahead, Ted,
I think.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
You brought a young generation in together. I was calling
on the day of his assassination. I was carputing with
about six boys in my car. I'm talking about black kids, Hispanic,
white kids, and all they did was talk about Charnie Kirk.
I go, what do you know about him? And they go,
he just destroys liberals. We watch my on TikTok YouTube
(34:16):
and it's so funny. I go, well, that's not part
of Charni Kirk. It's not only about the funny stuff
that you see that he destroys the Democrats. Let's talk
about the man. And so I got into that conversation.
I said, what he does. What I want you to
do is watch him and how he verbalizes. Because you're
(34:37):
gonna have job interviews someday, You're gonna have you know,
meet girl, all these stuff you do, it's gonna be
I'm just emotionally pissed off.
Speaker 10 (34:46):
But it's like you why and watch him and watch
what he does and how he speaks, and that's more
important than what you guys think is funny on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I'm sorry, no, no, don't be saying thank you for
calling in, thank you for sharing with us, Teb, we
appreciate you. You take care of those boys, thank you.
I think Buck what he's getting at, though, is go
to people where they are a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Of these young kids, they see the funny clips of
somebody making what do they think is funny? They think
a ridiculous, indefensible argument is funny when it is pointed
out to be ridiculous and indefensible. And that's what Charlie
has done. And sometimes you know this, everybody knows this.
Sometimes the best way to reach people to change minds
(35:36):
is through humor because it isn't as dogmatic, and humor
allows nuance. And what is the ultimate enemy to all authoritarians?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Why can't make a joke about them? You can't make
a joke about Kim Jong un? You'll be murdered. AA
listener talkback, Robert from San Diego, play it. I believe
this is probably one of the best shows that you
have ever done. You are telling the truth and you
are telling it with sincerity.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Thank you well, Thank you, Robert.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
We really really appreciate the support and we certainly need
it right now. We all need it. Todd from New
Jersey listens on wor play CC.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
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Three hour brigade.
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Men, profoundly touched by your emotions and your sentiments, and
thank you so much for being there. We love all
of you in our three hour brigade, and all of
you who listen at any point, thank you so much.
That was in reference to yesterday's show, but we wanted
to hear from Todd. We'll dive into more here our
three and try to get ourselves in the right frame
(36:47):
of mind to get it in the weekend.
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