September 15, 2025 • 57 mins
Kirk Clarian Call
Clay and Buck reflect on the national shock and grief surrounding Kirk’s death, emphasizing the widespread impact he had on young conservatives and the broader political landscape.
The hosts explore the ideological motivations behind the assassination, highlighting disturbing reports that the shooter was romantically involved with a transgender individual and may have been radicalized through far-left online communities. They discuss the FBI’s investigation into whether the attack was premeditated and potentially part of a broader ideological movement, raising concerns about what they term “trans terrorism” and the need for federal counter-terrorism task forces to address this emerging threat.
Ideological Echo Chamber
Clay and Buck draw parallels between this moment and post-9/11 political awakenings, arguing that Kirk’s murder represents a clarion call for conservatives to confront moral decay and ideological extremism. They criticize the celebratory reactions from some on the political left, including educators and healthcare professionals, and push back against attempts to falsely label the assassin as a right-wing extremist.
The show also touches on President Trump’s response, noting his emotional connection to Kirk and his continued public appearances despite surviving an assassination attempt himself. Senator Marsha Blackburn is previewed as a guest in Hour 3 to discuss Trump’s deployment of the National Guard to Memphis, Tennessee, amid rising crime rates.
Bright Red Line
The guys highlight the disturbing celebration of Kirk’s death across social media, including reactions from public employees such as teachers, pilots, and even youth ministers. They call for a clear moral standard: anyone publicly celebrating political assassination, especially while employed in taxpayer-funded roles, should be terminated. This includes educators, first responders, and military personnel. A growing online database reportedly tracking over 50,000 individuals who celebrated Kirk’s death is discussed as a tool for accountability.
Erica Kirk’s powerful speech is featured, with her vow to continue Charlie’s mission and ignite a nationwide movement in his honor. Clay shares personal stories, including how his sons and their classmates honored Kirk by wearing suits and ties to school and organizing Turning Point meetings, reflecting the grassroots momentum sparked by Kirk’s legacy.
TN Sen. Marsha Blackburn
Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee joins the guys. She discusses President Trump’s decision to deploy the National Guard to Memphis to combat violent crime and gang activity. Blackburn outlines the success of recent federal operations like Operation Viper and emphasizes the strategic importance of Memphis as a logistics hub vulnerable to organized crime.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We hope all of you had fantastic weekends.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We are together in New York City.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
A lot going on this week, a lot going on
over the course of the weekend. I hope that you
got to spend time with your friends and your family
after what was frankly and absolutely brutal last week. The
fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination continues. We're going to
give you the absolutely on that will also continue to
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take your calls and talkbacks. Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee
is going to join us in the third hour as
Trump has announced that he is calling the National Guard
out for Memphis, Tennessee, which is, according to a lot
of data sets out there, the most violent city in
America on a per capita basis.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
We will talk about that, but Buck, I would say this.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I was in Knoxville, Tennessee for the Georgia Tennessee football game,
which is a great game until Tennessee shank the kick
to lose. Governor Brian Camp immediately texted me right after.
He was like, boy, Greg, he's a huge Georgia Bulldog fan.
Great game. It's like, thanks, Governor, I'm a big Tennessee fan.
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But people came up to me, Buck. Everybody who came
up to me wanted to talk about Charlie Kirk. No,
I mean at the game. At the game where ninety
nine point nine percent of the time when I'm at
a football game, people want to almost exclusively talk about sports.
Everybody who came up to me wanted to talk about
Charlie Kirk and the impact that he had had on
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their life. And what I think is the continued fallout
of I have to be honest with.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You, Buck.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I knew that there would be a segment because there
always is on social media of people that are awful
and react to tragedy by celebrating and marinating in the awfulness.
I'm still stunned about the extent of the celebratory reaction
to his assassination, and I didn't have high expectations for
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how the left would respond. But when I see the
number of people who are teachers talking about, you know,
not university professors, certainly a lot of university professors, which
I'm less surprised by because we've kind of seen this
a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
District attorneys, pediatric nurses. You know what this is showing
you everybody in every profession out there is possibly an
anti Charlie kirk loon. Like you can't say, oh, well,
this person operates in the real world, so they they
would never I can trust my doctor, I could trust
my next door neighbor. No, you don't know until you
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know whether somebody has failed this most basic test of morality.
I think that's what's So it's one thing, Clay to
see the usual imbeciles in the media, and they're all
they're all losing ground, they're all losing relevance that that's
been going on, So it's not surprising It's still grotesque,
but not surprising for them. What I think, though, is
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such a shock to people is the the widespread nature
of this, that there are so many people out there
who are just like everyday people, that's what they're just
you know. It could be could be a homemaker, could
be somebody who runs a local hardware store, and they're
saying absolutely insane things in response to the assassination of
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Charlie Kirk, who was, as we've talked about, not just
a political and social phenomenon, but a dad, a husband,
a son, somebody who was incredibly decent and kind to people.
So that I think has been something of an awakening.
It does remind me Clay a little bit of after
nine to eleven there I did just from my own
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political awakening and why I decided, like why do I
go in the CIA and not go into Wall Street
like all my peers did. And it was in part
because after nine to eleven, one we had been attacked,
but two I had a recognition that there were a
lot of people around the world and here at home
who after nine to eleven their attitude was we got
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what was coming to us, Yeah, we deserved it, or
there even should be. If you're talking about globally, there
should be more of it. And so there was a call,
a literal call to arms, for so many of us
to go and fight. I think this is for conservatives
here at home. This is also turning into a moment
of clarity that we won't be able to shake.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It's a clarion call in some ways. Right, It's like
we're all now recognizing you mentioned this. Clay, I just had.
I went across the street. We're Clay and I here
in New York, went across the street to get a coffee,
and someone came up to me and said, I love
what you guys are doing. And he said, I'm so
sad about Charlie, and he said, you need to keep
doing what you're doing. Yes, Charlie would want that. That's
part of That's part of what I'm hearing from everybody too.
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He was our he was our friend, but he was
also our perod. We were on the same team. What
we wanted for the country is what Charlie wanted for
the country. And so I'm hearing that for from a
lot of people as they come up to me. But
we have to understand the reality of the opposition and
where they are on these things, and the lack of
decency and the lack of basic morality, and we have
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to confront this.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
One hundred percent. All of that is true.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It's also important, and we're going to do our absolute
best to keep you updated on all of the details.
I'm sure you saw they have put. I think they
recognize on the left that a lot of normal people,
let's leave aside the crazy celebrations. I think a lot
of normal people who are apolitical. The idea that you
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would celebrate a dad getting assassinated at a free speech event,
it does turn off huge segments of let's call just
the normal people in America who aren't paying attention to
politics on a daily basis. But just say, my god,
you're celebrating pure evil. Whatever you think about Charlie, he's
got a three year old, he's got a one year old,
he's got a widow. Now, the idea that anybody would
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celebrate any dad's death, ever, I think for both of
us as dads, is just awful. I mean, just leave
aside all of the rest of it. They recognize. I
think there's a recognition on some elements of the left
that they that they can't turn off the crazy party,
and so they have tried to argue and I think
we should dive into some of this. Oh, this guy
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was actually a right winger, and they have probably have
heard some of this, and I think we need to
address this in detail because there is a concerted effort
to just long write the history and hide the motivation
of this killer of this thing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
A big thing that we haven't gotten to. A big
reveal from over the weekend is that it has been
reported from multiple sources and confirmed from high up that
the shooter, the assassin was in a romantic relationship with
a transitioning as in a trans individual. Now that trans
individual is cooperating with the FBI at last reporting. But
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that I think goes to ideology, It goes to motive,
It goes to an understanding of this guy. This guy
was in a relationship with a trans person, I mean
physical like a romantic relationship with a transperson. And the
more you dig into the ideology, the more this aligns
with you know he is he was not trans. But
the single clay this goes back for a long time.
(08:05):
I was told by one of the National Review guys
I won't say who, it was. But you know, I
actually like a lot of those guys. I know some
of them have gone very little anti Trump, but some
of them are very good dudes. But I was told
by one of them a long time ago, I'm talking
a decade ago, that he was he'd been writing for
dec he himself and working in this politics commentary for decades,
said he was shocked at how he got more death
(08:28):
threats writing about the trans issue than anything, yes, than
cops and race issues and abortion, and the trans issue
was the thing that got And this was going back
now many years. This was like Obama administration era, and
I never forgot that. And we're seeing now if you're
looking for left wing radicalism, if you're looking for what
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is the center of that, of that that challenged that problem,
that that you know, dragon that must be dealt with here,
it is the trans issue. And at a lesser level,
I think some of the cop and race stuff that
comes up, but those are the two that will get
you people on the left who will go the most violent,
(09:11):
the fastest. Isn't also from other climate change, which they
told us was an existential threat. No one even thinks
about this anymore. Yeah, My point is that they shift
from one delusion to another, and this is the delusion
of the moment that they will become violent over There.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Are a lot of evidence points out there, and again
the FBI is in the process of going through this
that suggests that multiple members of the trans community were
posting that Charlie was going to get killed at this
location at this.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Point in time.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Now, how often does that happen? I think it's fair
to say, is this occurring when they're regularly In other words,
are there lots of people when he's speaking at ex
University that are going on social media and saying, well,
something's going to happen there, that's fair to say. But
these posts were up that are saying something is happening,
He's going to get killed at this location. And the
(10:08):
FBI is now investigating whether this may have been a
part of a larger plan. Again, remember he was shot
as the question was being asked about.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Felt very I mean, the timing of it felt way too,
way too big a coincidence for it to actually be
a coincidence. And we're certainly I know that was asked
of Deputy Bongino on Fox this morning and he said,
we're you know, he all he can say, and he's right,
is we're looking at it. We're looking at everything, and
that is what they're doing right now. But this is clay.
(10:39):
I mean, I can tell you when I was in
the NYPD Intelligence Division, I would say ninety five, which
is counter terrorism, and they've changed the terms and now
it's bureau. But put all that aside, ninety five ninety
eight percent. I want to say one hundred percent, but
I just don't want to be a You know that
that definitive was jihadis terrorism. That's what we're working on.
(11:00):
But you know that they had just to just to
be fair, just to make sure that everyone knew that
they were. They had a white supremacist cell there, you know,
group that looked at them. They were very bored and
had almost nothing to do. Would always help us with
our work, but they did assign people. Now they also
had people looking to be fair at ANTIFUSS stuff too,
because they had already started to become a violent group.
(11:21):
But I'm saying, as somebody who's worked in counter terrorism,
how let me let me pose this question, which I'm
obviously leading to an answer here. How many mass casualty
ideologically based attacks do we have to have before there
is an understanding and a treatment of this issue as
systemic as in trans terrorism is a threat that the
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country must deal with the face.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Now, I think we're past that point that far exactly
where you're.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Going, exactly every the FBI. This needs to be treated
like a task force. This needs to be treated like
the with the urgency that it should have. And you know,
we're going to have all the same, all the civil
rights and they're gonna say, you're looking at this community.
You know, we went through this with the jihatas stuff
We've gone through and they tried to go through this
with Trump voters and January sixth, right, they used the
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counter terrorism apparatus against non violent grandmas who walked into
a building that they were waved into. Because we saw
the video. I know there were some people who are
violent with cops. A lot of people are violent with
cops and don't even spend a single day in jail
as long as they're Democrats.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Including the entire BLM era.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
All of it, right, But we are at a point now,
and this is why this is an ideological challenge for
the country. We can't go past this. And I think
that's what the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk has
made it inescapable for anyone who is paying attention. We
have a real challenge here. It is widespread. This is
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the same thing played with with jihadist ideology. There were
the suicide bombers, but then there were the facilitators, and
then there were the spiritual sanctioners, and then there were
the you know, you go through these centric circles of
who is involved and who is pushing what and how
are they a part of this movement? Go on discord,
go online. You'll see a lot of people that are
saying this stuff red and Blue Sky is crazy, is insane?
(13:12):
Blue Sky. The night of Charlie's assassination, I was on it.
It was the most horrifying thing I've ever read in
my life. Honestly, it was completely insane. And now we're
going to get into this First Amendment debate, right they're
going to say what's allowed, what's not well, incitement to
violence is not allowed, material support to terrorism is not allowed.
We need to start looking at this issue with the
same kind of focus that has been used at other
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times when we faced an ideological threat, and that is
what we are under right now as a country, and
that is just the truth. And I'll debate that issue
with anybody.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Who wants to debate it, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
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Speaker 5 (13:58):
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Speaker 3 (13:59):
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Speaker 2 (15:21):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
A lot of you.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Weighing in on a variety of different angles relating to
the Charlie Kirk story. We're gonna get into this probably
next hour, Buck, and we'll take some of your talkbacks
right now. But I think it's incredibly important for all
of you to know that there are there is a
calculated decision made to try and make it seem And
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I know this is gonna sound crazy to a lot
of you, but I think it's important. You know, I
like I say, I read the New York Times and
all the crazy left wing talks, so you don't have
to do you me watching Morning Joe, it's like Buck
watching Morning Joe. We try to make you aware of
what everybody is saying across the political spectrum. Over the weekend,
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there was a calculated attempt to try to make this
assassin seem like he was a Trump supporting right winger.
I even saw a prominent left wing accounts Buck trying
to say Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn't right
wing enough. That was one of the arguments they were
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trying to make. Now it is collapsing because there is
no evidence to support that. But if you have left
wing friends, they may be marinating in this universe where
they're claiming that this violence came from the right.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It did not. Okay, this guy.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Just to kind of lay out a couple of facts,
this guy had a family that tended to be conservative,
that is true. He went off to college and seems
to have lost his mind. He was a smart kid,
thirty four on the ACT. I was reading about him.
Four point zero GPA. What's a thirty four in the
AC to just carry a thirty six? So it's like
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a ninety ninth percentile caliber score, so one in one
thousand level standardized test score. So the kid was smart
and then got lost in left wing ideology. As you
pointed out, is living with and has I don't even
know what you would call it iss dating a trans person. Yeah,
but it's not like a boyfriend or a girl. I
don't even know.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
He's dating a dude who's pretending to be a chick. Now,
is that right? That is correct?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yes, So he is decided a sexual relationship with a
man who who present presents as female or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
All of the reports about the engravings on the bullets.
As we walked through our left wing slogan.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I believe the girlfriend boy. I'm sorry, the boy whatever
he is, the trans you know partner is also a furry.
Yeah no, I'm just I'm just thinking that going to
explain to this audience, I will be honest with you.
I do not this is that that reaches.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
There's this whole.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Online discord some of the words that are being used
for the trans stuff. I'm actually learning some new things
about that because I don't and furries I am only
familiar with in a very limited fashion. So somebody who
dresses up as a again, guys, I understand this is true, true,
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explaining this audience, furry is someone who dresses up as
a woodland creature for sexual purposes. That is that is
the truth is it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Does it have to be a woodland character? Could you
be like a care bear?
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I think that. I think that is.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That is what you're in the same kind of idea,
like you dress up as an animal.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Basically you are dressing up as an animal, as like
a Disney sort of character, but not a like an
animal Disney We have reached, thank thankfully, thankfully. I'm not
very well versed in this world either. But my point
on this is all of the bullets.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Because you're not you're not emotionally psychologically normal. Yes, if
I'm talking about now the assassin, if this is what
you're what you're going for, there's there's problems here.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I would say you are not psychologically normal. If you
are a guy, and you are dating a man that
is deciding to transition to a woman I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Who dresses up like a like a bunny rabbit.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's fun, super fricking weird. This guy's mental crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And there is a lot of evidence as well that
again he was a super far left winger mentally unstable, clearly,
And there is a lot of evidence out there that
many different people in the trans community in the state
of Utah, which does exist, by the way, we're aware
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that something was going to happen here. And so I
think it's very important for you all to understand there
is a calculated attempt because of how embarrassing this is
and how awful this is for the left.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I don't want to take the hit ideologically, they don't
want to. Yeah, they want to claim that this is
this is not on their side, so to speak. And
I just note, you know, they've tried for a very
long time to say that the guy who shot Gabby
Giffords was right wing. I mean, that guy was a
pink elephants in the sky, paranoid schizophrenic of no particular
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ideological cohesion whatsoever. I mean, you couldn't figure out. But
they try very hard to make that because we have
a long list now of very left wing people who
There was the guy who was yelling rand Paul Senator
Paul pull Us on this show. The guy was screaming,
this is for healthcare, yes. And he was a Bernie,
a Bernie bro shooting at those congressional members conservatives. He said,
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are these conservative members of Congress? When he was walking
to the baseball field with that rifle shot, Stevescaliz tried
to murder everybody there but Clay. They don't want this
to They don't want this to sort of seep into
the American consciousness because the second it does, there's a
radicalizing effect here toward we have to deal with this problem. Yes,
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and and you just mentioned people that might have known
about this in advance. I would just say, what does
it tell you if there were other people either supportive
of or within the trans ideology? And this is very clearly.
I mean, you think about people people have committed ideological
acts of terrorism for the environment, people for for far
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less than the so called genocide against the trans community
that the left believes is going on. So now we
look at Okay, who knew that something was coming and
didn't say anything. Who knew that Charlie Kirk was in
danger and didn't go to the authorities. Now you can
claim one way they're oh, well, maybe that doesn't rise
to criminal culpability. Maybe they yeah, let's take a look
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at that. And I know Director of Patel and Deputy
Director Bongino are going to be as they should take
a look at that, because how could this be any
different than you know, someone saying, you know what, I'm
building a bomb and I'm going to go put it
in a synagogue, something we dealt with when I was
the NYPD. Yeah, how is it any different than that
lack of basic humanity to say that I'm going to
try to stop this from happening in innocence from being killed.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I think also what you're going to see is some
of these places online and again we'll get into this,
some of these places online are crazy echo chambers, and
when you go into these communities, they radicalize you because
you lose the capability of understanding the real world. I
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thought the governor of Utah actually did a good job
of this. And I know so many of you have
kids and grandkids and you worry about this, the radicalizing
impact of an entirely online culture.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Getting out into the real world is actually healthy.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
He has said some not so good things too, As
you know, I'm just just we're going to get hit
on that unless we point out that this it is
not a side both sides. The second someone does the
both sides thing, I you know, shut it down, no way.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
But I do think this is something that I spend
a lot of time with as a dad, and I
know a lot of you as parents and grandparents. How
do you get your kids off your phone and how
do you get your kids into the real world. This
is why somebody sent me an email and I thought
it was really well said, you know, getting kids involved
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in sports and getting kids involved in extracurricular activities. I
think in an internet age is more important than it
ever has been in the past, because it forces them
to have that face to face interaction in the real world,
which takes you out of the crazy echo chambers of
the internet which radicalize you and make you think that
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what you are working towards is normal.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Well, so you couldn't do what this if you were
an even vaguely psychologically stable and had anything resembling a conscience.
You couldn't do what this person did to Charlie Kirk
if you recognized him as a human being and a
dad and a father, you couldn't do that. Yes, the way,
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and this I've seen this. I go back to the
days when Clay we had a whole unit going into
look I was a CIA. We used to see what
these gihatis were saying online, what they thought they were saying,
and encryptid comms what they thought they were saying on
cell phones. I mean, so you really get in the headspace.
Dehumanization is critical in the mass delusion, and they dehumanized
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Charlie Kirk. They turned him into an avatar of some
you know, anti transgenocidal evil. When reality first, I mean,
put aside even the arguments about what he was saying
and everything else. He's a dad, he's a husband, he's
a son, he's a neighbor, he's an American, he's a
good person. You know, all of that gets swept aside
because in these ideological echo chambers, it turns into he
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is something that must be dealt with instead of he's
a human being. And I've seen this with terrorism over
and over again.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I think that's really well said I would also point
this out, and this is what is so, And we're
going to play a couple of year talkbacks here in
a sec before we go to break. Here is what
I would say too. It's one thing for a crazy
person to kill someone. Unfortunately, crazy people will be killing
people for all of our lives. And beyond what I
(25:38):
can't get out of my head, Buck is if you
go watch that video at the moment that the shot
was fired at that Utah free speech event, there is
a guy who stands up and cheers. I don't know
how many of you have seen that. He's at this
Charlie Kirk event. He hears the gun shot ring out,
he immediately stands up and cheers as if his favorite
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team has just scored a touchdown. That reaction is natural.
His brain is already so polluted that Charlie Kirk is
so dehumanized to him that he shows up at that event.
And when Charlie Kirk is shot, the instant that he
falls back, that man, everybody else is ducking down. Have
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you seen that video that guy stands up. We should
share it on Clay and Buck because I think it's
so dark. That guy stands up and cheers. Let me
play this for you. AA June says, thanks for last week.
Let's play her.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
I'm a sixty five year old woman, a widow with
four grown children, ten grandchildren. Listen you guys every day
while I'm working remotely from home. Love you guys. I
feel like you're my family, and I just want to
let you guys know that you were a major help.
I did not feel all alone listening to you guys
this week. It was an emotional week to begin with,
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before the thing with Charlie even happened. The whole thing
with the poor.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Young woman, Well, we really appreciate that and we feel
the same way, and honestly, we were relying on all
of you and leaning on you and using your shoulder
for support too with your calls, but just knowing that
you're out there listening and you're with us in this
whole process. Clay and I always say we don't need
therapy because we have this show. So it was a
two way street. It was a two way street keeping
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each other steady and reminding each other we have to
get back into this fight. So we're thankful to all
of you.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
She was pointing out there before she got cut off
that the start of the week was the awful story
out of Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Oh my gosh, that's right.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So it was just an emotionally devastating you watched the
video of the woman in Charlotte and then the video
of Charlie getting shot. It was as tough of a
week as I can remember.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That was, I mean, certainly since October seventh in terms
of the level of horror that the news cycle had
brought us.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That was the last.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Feelings of those similar feelings of oh my gosh, what's
going on? And it was one of the toughest news
cycles we've ever had to deal with, honestly here ever,
so even before we were in this in this media world.
So thank you for being here for us. All right, Look,
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Speaker 3 (29:45):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We're
going to talk a bit here about the unhinged and
demonic reaction to the assassination last week of our friend
Charlie Kirk. It's important that everyone understand what is going
on here and that we not push aside or sweetness
under the rock or anything. People need to know what
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some of the nurses, some of the pilots, some of
the teachers, some of the go down the list, what
they think about this, or what they're saying publicly about this.
Will I will point out Bill Maher on his show
This is Cut thirty and he said this to me before,
and I'll get into Clay what he's said to me,
because I think it goes right to this. But there
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is a huge difference even in just whether someone who
is a leftist will talk to you or not if
they know you're a conservative play thirty.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
They're the people who don't want to talk. It's my
main issue with them. And Charlie Kirk was a guy
who like he was always talking, and I talked to
him here. You know, the right wingers say what you
want about them, but they talk to you. They're not
into this leftist think that the left really has much
more of a I don't talk to you. I don't
want to deal with you. You're deplorable. I can't break
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bread with you. Yeah, well, that attitude and like all
the right wingers, they don't have that attitude.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Again, I didn't vote for them. And Charlie Kirk and
I certainly don't agree on much politically, but he sat here.
He's a human being, he's not a monster, and a
husband and a father, Yes, and I liked him. I
liked them all. They're all nice people when you meet
them in person, and they're not as crazy as they
would nobody's as crazy as they make them out to be.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I say, Bill, when i've I did to show the
first time. I don't even know now Clay years ago,
and this is one of our first conversations backstage. He's like,
I appreciate that you come here and you say what
you say, and you tell people what you think. But
you're nice to everybody. You're cordial, you're not being a jerk.
And he said you're one of these happy warriors. I
think that's a term very well applied to Charlie Kirk.
(31:53):
Many have already said it. Happy warriors, ideological were ideal warriors, right,
that's the whole point. It's supposed to be exchange ideas.
I don't take the positions that I take, and neither
to Charlie, ou to Uclay to make anyone feel badly.
It's because we want to share the truth with other people.
I actually want them to agree with me. I don't.
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I'd rather much rather have them say you know what,
you've got a point, or you know what you're right,
than to feel mocked and belittled or attacked. That's actually
not the point. I mean, that can happen sometimes because
of the way these exchanges go, but that's not the
point of the exchange. But I know you're looking at this.
I mean there is a movement now to create a
searchable database online for people that are celebrating and that
(32:37):
is the appropriate word. They are celebrating the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, which is so monstrous and so disgusting. What
are you seeing about the numbers that have been gathered so.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Far, supposedly fifty thousand names.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
And here's the way that I would analyze this, fifty
thousand people who have gone on social media and celebrated
the assassination. Say that I would work through it is this.
I think if you are a public employee, I think
you should be fired. That is when I say public employee,
I mean taxpayer funded. If you're a member of the military,
(33:12):
if you are a member of police, if you are
a member of first responding communities firefighters. I think everyone
who has gone on social media and celebrated a political
assassination should be fired. I don't believe our taxpayer dollars
should go for that. If you are The University of Tennessee,
for example, just announced that they have fired a faculty
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member who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination. If you are a teacher,
I certainly do not believe that you should be in
charge of molding young minds if you are celebrating political assassination.
When it comes to people who are employed by private companies.
I owned a company, I sold it. I would fire
anyone at my company when I own the company who
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went on social media and said in any way this
is celebrat too. I think individual business owners should.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Have that right.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I don't think certainly it should be mandated if you're
a private employee, if you did it in uniform at work,
to me, it's a no brainer. I would do it individually.
But again, if you are taxpayer funded, I think we
should have a pretty bright red line, and I think
the bright red line should be you shouldn't celebrate. Hey,
if Rachel Maddow got assassinated, if Barack Obama had gotten assassinated,
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you should be fired. If you are a military member,
if you're a police officer, I think you can easily
kind of work through this, and I don't have a
problem with that at all. Private employers, I think should
be able to make their own decision.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
We'll take some calls here. Krista in Florida with a
story that ties right into what we're talking about. Welcome Christa.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Hi, Claian Buck, thank you so much for taking my call.
I really appreciate it. This is it's been shocking, it's
been heartbreaking, But I just want to read you from
this man LinkedIn page firefighter and t has this material
specialist chemical material.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Sorry, sorry, let me let me say, can you not
share full name because look, there could be there could
be somebody having impostors. I just don't want this station
to be putting people on blast without us knowing anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Okay, thank you, No, absolutely not.
Speaker 9 (35:20):
I will not say the name, just the credentials. Yes,
because then the most shocking part of that was this
was my children's youth ministry leader and he has you know,
he was working with my young adults.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And what did he say?
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Specifically, he he celebrated one less maggot on the world.
I just he was insulting our priest for praying.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I mean, look, I appreciate you calling. Anyone who is
involved in children should be, in my opinion, immediately fired
from their job if they are in any way celebrating
the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You know, thank you for calling. That's a tough thing
because it was like such a betrayal. You've entrusted your
kids to person for their moral development, youth minister, and
you can't understand the obvious unbelievable and demonic moral failure
of celebrating this uh in any way, shape or form.
(36:38):
It's it's stunning, and we're seeing so much of this
uh and and I just I don't know, I Clay,
it's it has made me think that this country has
a has a darker future than and I had anticipated before,
just because this, this has to be confronted. And I
would just point out, and that's why I don't like this. Oh,
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it's on both sides. And let's just all do dialogue now. No,
Charlie was doing dialogue. That's the point. His whole movement
was built on peaceful dialogue. And this is what happened.
And look at all these people who are celebrating this,
and now there's also this really honestly, it's just so lame.
But this effort to say, well, conservatives are doing cancel culture. Now,
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everyone who's saying that if any person in any job
said a particular racial slur, they would all demand the
immediate firing of that person, probably in any context whatsoever.
They all absolutely believe in people being fired from their
jobs for offending or for political reasons or whatever. But
now they're pretending like this isn't. So they obviously have
(37:45):
their red lines. They're pretending like this celebrating the assassination
of a father, a husband, a young guy thirty one
years old, that's not a red line, Like you should
keep your job even after you have brought that kind
of infanty on whatever organization you work for. That's insane.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, And I also think this is where I always
try to think on precedent, And I know this is challenging,
but I don't even know who the equivalent of Charlie
Kirk would be on the left. But I've just used
the name Rachel Maddow. Buck's right that she's not a
perfect analogy. They don't have a perfect analogy because their
arguments are bad and they don't really believe in free
speech by and law.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They are very much trying to build up somebody on
the left now as the new person for the youth.
And he's a I'm not gonna say his name on
the show. He's a very bad person. He's just a
bad human being. So I don't want to but there's
someone on the left that there. I wrote an op
ed for the New York Times design understand that about
this issue is a I could play clips on this show.
The fact the New York Times would give that guy, well,
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the New York Times is a disgrace too. But it's
interesting to me because our Charlie was a good and
decent human being, just completely without getting into his politics
and the left. Of course, the person that they want
to build up is an outright scumback outrights, comeback. Just
to anyone who's curious, knows he does understand. This guy
does understand internet culture and online video games. That I
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will say, but that's about it.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, let's use Rachel Maddow as an example, or this
unnamed guy. I also think if they were assassinated at
a free speech event and you went on and you
celebrated that as a teacher, as a faculty member at
a university, as a first responder, as anyone who's employed
by taxpayers, I think you should be fired for that too.
(39:29):
So I think you can easily to me setting the
precedent of where is the line that we draw? And
again I think private employers should be able to make
their own decisions. I would have the same standard both directions.
I would fire someone when I ran my own company,
and I have expansive first Amendment beliefs, but people don't
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under celebrate death something.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
So is the standard that the left thinks that we're
all supposed to live by, that you can say absolutely
anything and I mean anything and keep your job. Of course,
they wanted people to get fired for using the wrong pronouns.
Of yes, these are the people that now all of
a sudden, are free speech absolutists. The First Amendment means
that the government can't take action against you for what
you say. It doesn't mean that your private employer has
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to keep you employed no matter what you do, no
matter what you say in public. That's not what it means.
So I know.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
That's why to me, I mean again, you break it down.
I think in times of emotion it's challenging, but there
is a standard for basic humanity. And if you celebrate
the murder of dads and moms for sharing their political opinions,
in my opinion, you have failed the basic standard of humanity.
If you fail the basic standard of humanity, I don't
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want you employed at my company. I don't want you
instructing my children. If you are taxpayer funded, then I
think you if you fail the basic standard of humanity,
you shouldn't be taxpayer funded anymore.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Individual owners of businesses, I think they should have the
to decide who they employ and not. But this is
not a tough call to me. We can debate sometimes
gray areas of hey, what is an acceptable speech? What's
not cheering?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Assassination? You should get fire? In my always humble opinion,
this is not a tough call.
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Two guys walk up to a mic. Anything goes. Clay
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Speaker 2 (42:44):
You're joined now by Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. We're
going to dive into President Trump's announcement last week that
he's going to be bringing the National Guard into Memphis, which,
according to many measures of violent crime on a per
capita base, this may well be the most dangerous city
in the entire country. But I want to start with this,
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Center Blackburn. First of all, I missed you in Knoxville,
where you and I were both attending the Georgia Tennessee game,
which did not end well for the good guys in
this case the team wearing orange. But I know that
you were all over the place there and it's a
sporting event. But I bet you had a similar experience
(43:29):
as I did, Senator Blackburn, which is the number of
people who came up to me that wanted to talk
about what happened to Charlie Kirk, even at a sporting event,
was unlike anything I've ever seen before. No One usually
people want to come up and it's almost exclusively, Hey,
who's going to win the game? What do you think
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is going to happen? Almost everybody that came up to
me at the sporting event wanted to talk about the
Charlie Kirk situation. I not asked you this, but I
bet you found it to be similar as well. And
I know you have a grandson that attends the same
school as my sons, and the impact on young men
in particular of this assassination has been extraordinarily awful. But
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their response has been I have seen very profoundly courageous.
I've been very encouraged. So that's a big prelude, but
I'm curious what you found in both those situations.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Yes, indeed, I will tell you. I have been just
so honored by the conduct of my grandsons and their
classmates and how they held a memorial for Charlie kirk
in for the remembrance of nine to eleven, And our
grandson even noticed that the flags had not been moved
(44:46):
to half staff before before class started, So he walked
out to the flagpole and he lowered the flag to
half staff, and I think the teachers kind of got
in behind him a little bit about it, but he
said he was following the president's order for all flags
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to fly at half staff until six pm on Sunday.
And I said, you know, if that's what you get
in trouble for, that's a pretty good thing. Honoring someone
who was assassinated, honoring those that lost their lives in
our military who fought after nine to eleven, in all
of those brave first responders, and doing what the President
(45:34):
said was the order of the day, which was lowering
the flags. And you're right about being at University of Tennessee,
we could hardly get through the crowd, like you said,
without people saying, look, we stand with Charlie Kirk, we
stand with family values in Tennessee values and morals, and
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we stand with the president. And it was just such
an outpouring I think for so many college students, whether
you were there in Circle Park or at one of
the fraternity houses or wherever play, it was astounding to
me that these kids were such a fan of Charlie Kirk.
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They listened to him, they followed him, they enjoyed his podcast,
and they wanted to They loved the way he speaks
truth and have so gravitated to that. And they left
President Trump and they just wanted to register their shock
and their disappointment with what had happened and their grief
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in many respects. And we had a great sermon yesterday
at our church and the minister said, something I think
is so important is that while we turned the other cheek,
and we know to turn the other cheek evil, we
cannot turn a blind eye. And that is incumbent on
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us to remember that we have to push back and
fight against evil. And it is pure evil that caused
someone to try to silence Charlie Kirk, and as we
have seen, his message now will be more powerful than ever.
The outpouring of support for Charlie in his work for
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Erica and their children. It is not singular, but it
is global in nature, and indeed, I think this is
truly a turning point.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Senator Blackburn, appreciate you being with us. Something that's also
getting some attention in the news cycle today is the
move by President Trump to perhaps bring National Guard and
and bring federal resources to your home state and specifically
to help tackle the out of control murder rate in
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the city of Memphis. What can you tell us you
know about this so far, what stage is the planning
and do you believe that this would be able to
have a marked impact and effect to bring that murder
rate down?
Speaker 5 (48:21):
Yes, indeed, I do think it is going to be helpful.
And what we know is this Cash Fattel gave me
a commitment when he came to meet with me before
his hearing for his FBI confirmation, and I'm on Senate
Judiciary Committee. I asked him in my office and then
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again publicly at the hearing to help me with Memphis
and getting an FBI surge in Memphis. Under President Trump's
first term, we had a program there called Legend. It
had great results. Biden ended it. Crime surged. We needed
something back, so this summer for two months we had
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Operation Viper. There have been over five hundred arrest There
have already been over one hundred indictments. We know Memphis
has one hundred games. They have a per capital murder
rate of twenty five hundred per one hundred thousand. That
is why it's the most dangerous city in the country.
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We know that during the surge, Memphis had the best
August it has had in years. Whether it's murders or
rapes or thefts, burglaries, assaults, all the numbers have been
down and significantly down. Some the best in twenty years,
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some the best in over five years. So this has
made a difference. Now the surge with the FBI is over.
They've worked closely with MO Memphis Police, with the Mayor
of Memphis, and they need to continue this multi phase
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approach and it has been an interdisciplinary strategy with different agencies.
So in order to back up the Memphis Police Department,
you will have the National Guard. Now they can go in,
they can do paperwork, they can do logistics, they can
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do traffic. There are so many things they can do.
And this will allow Memphis Police who do have arrest
powers to go in and apprehend others in these gangs
and get them off the streets. And that's where Memphis
PD needs to be focused is continuing to apprehend these
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gang leaders and gang members that are selling drugs, that
are doing so trafficking, human trafficking, that are carrying out
these sets. You know, in Memphis it's a logistics hub,
and we have the port at Memphis. We have all
five Class A railroads I forty that goes from the
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East coast to the west coast, and you also have
fe X. So when you've got all of this with
the river, the rail, the highways, the air, cargo theft
is a big issue and these gangs have created processes
(51:36):
to go in and rip these containers and carry out
cargo theft. So being able to have the police work
with these companies whether it's rail or water, are highways
and I get a handle around this cargo theft is
vitally important. Also, so the National Guard is going to
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be appreciated, They are going to be welcomed in Memphis.
We want Memphis to be safe, We want it to
be prosperous. It is a wonderful city. It has a
brilliant it has a promising future, and a big part
of that is getting the crime under control.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Center Blackburn, I just Buck and I started off the
show talking about the dark soul of the left in
this country that so many people have felt compelled publicly
to celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This is a
big question, and it's one that I've been thinking about
(52:43):
a lot. How do we fix this? Because if your
soul is so dark that when you see a father
murdered in cold blood simply for sitting in front of
an open mic and saying tell me whatever you believe too,
the soul of so many people is profoundly evil here.
How do we fix the rot in our culture?
Speaker 1 (53:05):
What can we do.
Speaker 9 (53:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (53:09):
This is something that talking with people through the process
of legislation that I have worked on with the Kids
Online Safety Act and trying to get that passed. And
you look at what these young people are picking up
on social media. They become isolated. They get onto these
(53:31):
platforms like Reddit and discord, and they get into these
discussion groups, and instead of it being a tool that
opens their mind and something for good, it narrows their
thought process and they become very angry. So I think
the church has a role to play in this. I
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think parents have a role to play in this. A
governance for social media platforms have a role to play
in this. Looking at the mental health of kids. That
is something that has to be done. It's not going
to be fixed by one thing or another thing. But
I do believe that strong families they can help. I
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do believe is that getting kids off of these social
media platforms that will help. I do think that incur
And I will say this, I think the Governor of
Utah has done an exemplary job in this getting kids
off these devices. You know, right now, the studies that
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we have seen as we've worked on keeping kids safe
and trying to hold social media to account. You know,
kids are spending teenagers are spending as much as eight
hours a day on the phone, eight hours. Middle school
kids are spending about five and when they're doing this
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being exposed to things that young minds are not equipped
to see. This. I mean, this is when we have
ratings on movies in theaters. You can't take a tile
to an X rated movie. You can't sell them alcohol
or tobacco or firearms. You can't take them to a
(55:21):
pornographic show or a strip club, or sell them magazines.
But on the virtual space, they're exposed to it twenty
four to seven and they become desensitized. And you know,
I just I am, and some of my friends, we
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are just praying, deeply, praying that scales will fall from
eyes and that people will awaken and they will realize
what is happening to our children in our society. That
they will encourage our children to boldly stand for values
and for right and to stand against some of this
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evil presence to come off of these devices. And that
means that adults, parents, teachers, preachers, everyone's going to have
to do their part.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Senator Blackbird always appreciates you. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (56:20):
You got it. Take care, Binya.
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We hope all of you had fantastic weekends.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We are together in New York City.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
A lot going on this week, a lot going on
over the course of the weekend. I hope that you
got to spend time with your friends and your family
after what was frankly and absolutely brutal last week. The
fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination continues. We're going to
give you the absolutely on that will also continue to
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take your calls and talkbacks. Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee
is going to join us in the third hour as
Trump has announced that he is calling the National Guard
out for Memphis, Tennessee, which is, according to a lot
of data sets out there, the most violent city in
America on a per capita basis.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
We will talk about that, but Buck, I would say this.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I was in Knoxville, Tennessee for the Georgia Tennessee football game,
which is a great game until Tennessee shank the kick
to lose. Governor Brian Camp immediately texted me right after.
He was like, boy, Greg, he's a huge Georgia Bulldog fan.
Great game. It's like, thanks, Governor, I'm a big Tennessee fan.
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But people came up to me, Buck. Everybody who came
up to me wanted to talk about Charlie Kirk. No,
I mean at the game. At the game where ninety
nine point nine percent of the time when I'm at
a football game, people want to almost exclusively talk about sports.
Everybody who came up to me wanted to talk about
Charlie Kirk and the impact that he had had on
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their life. And what I think is the continued fallout
of I have to be honest with.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You, Buck.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I knew that there would be a segment because there
always is on social media of people that are awful
and react to tragedy by celebrating and marinating in the awfulness.
I'm still stunned about the extent of the celebratory reaction
to his assassination, and I didn't have high expectations for
(02:41):
how the left would respond. But when I see the
number of people who are teachers talking about, you know,
not university professors, certainly a lot of university professors, which
I'm less surprised by because we've kind of seen this
a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
District attorneys, pediatric nurses. You know what this is showing
you everybody in every profession out there is possibly an
anti Charlie kirk loon. Like you can't say, oh, well,
this person operates in the real world, so they they
would never I can trust my doctor, I could trust
my next door neighbor. No, you don't know until you
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know whether somebody has failed this most basic test of morality.
I think that's what's So it's one thing, Clay to
see the usual imbeciles in the media, and they're all
they're all losing ground, they're all losing relevance that that's
been going on, So it's not surprising It's still grotesque,
but not surprising for them. What I think, though, is
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such a shock to people is the the widespread nature
of this, that there are so many people out there
who are just like everyday people, that's what they're just
you know. It could be could be a homemaker, could
be somebody who runs a local hardware store, and they're
saying absolutely insane things in response to the assassination of
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Charlie Kirk, who was, as we've talked about, not just
a political and social phenomenon, but a dad, a husband,
a son, somebody who was incredibly decent and kind to people.
So that I think has been something of an awakening.
It does remind me Clay a little bit of after
nine to eleven there I did just from my own
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political awakening and why I decided, like why do I
go in the CIA and not go into Wall Street
like all my peers did. And it was in part
because after nine to eleven, one we had been attacked,
but two I had a recognition that there were a
lot of people around the world and here at home
who after nine to eleven their attitude was we got
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what was coming to us, Yeah, we deserved it, or
there even should be. If you're talking about globally, there
should be more of it. And so there was a call,
a literal call to arms, for so many of us
to go and fight. I think this is for conservatives
here at home. This is also turning into a moment
of clarity that we won't be able to shake.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It's a clarion call in some ways. Right, It's like
we're all now recognizing you mentioned this. Clay, I just had.
I went across the street. We're Clay and I here
in New York, went across the street to get a coffee,
and someone came up to me and said, I love
what you guys are doing. And he said, I'm so
sad about Charlie, and he said, you need to keep
doing what you're doing. Yes, Charlie would want that. That's
part of That's part of what I'm hearing from everybody too.
(05:31):
He was our he was our friend, but he was
also our perod. We were on the same team. What
we wanted for the country is what Charlie wanted for
the country. And so I'm hearing that for from a
lot of people as they come up to me. But
we have to understand the reality of the opposition and
where they are on these things, and the lack of
decency and the lack of basic morality, and we have
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to confront this.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
One hundred percent. All of that is true.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It's also important, and we're going to do our absolute
best to keep you updated on all of the details.
I'm sure you saw they have put. I think they
recognize on the left that a lot of normal people,
let's leave aside the crazy celebrations. I think a lot
of normal people who are apolitical. The idea that you
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would celebrate a dad getting assassinated at a free speech event,
it does turn off huge segments of let's call just
the normal people in America who aren't paying attention to
politics on a daily basis. But just say, my god,
you're celebrating pure evil. Whatever you think about Charlie, he's
got a three year old, he's got a one year old,
he's got a widow. Now, the idea that anybody would
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celebrate any dad's death, ever, I think for both of
us as dads, is just awful. I mean, just leave
aside all of the rest of it. They recognize. I
think there's a recognition on some elements of the left
that they that they can't turn off the crazy party,
and so they have tried to argue and I think
we should dive into some of this. Oh, this guy
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was actually a right winger, and they have probably have
heard some of this, and I think we need to
address this in detail because there is a concerted effort
to just long write the history and hide the motivation
of this killer of this thing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
A big thing that we haven't gotten to. A big
reveal from over the weekend is that it has been
reported from multiple sources and confirmed from high up that
the shooter, the assassin was in a romantic relationship with
a transitioning as in a trans individual. Now that trans
individual is cooperating with the FBI at last reporting. But
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that I think goes to ideology, It goes to motive,
It goes to an understanding of this guy. This guy
was in a relationship with a trans person, I mean
physical like a romantic relationship with a transperson. And the
more you dig into the ideology, the more this aligns
with you know he is he was not trans. But
the single clay this goes back for a long time.
(08:05):
I was told by one of the National Review guys
I won't say who, it was. But you know, I
actually like a lot of those guys. I know some
of them have gone very little anti Trump, but some
of them are very good dudes. But I was told
by one of them a long time ago, I'm talking
a decade ago, that he was he'd been writing for
dec he himself and working in this politics commentary for decades,
said he was shocked at how he got more death
(08:28):
threats writing about the trans issue than anything, yes, than
cops and race issues and abortion, and the trans issue
was the thing that got And this was going back
now many years. This was like Obama administration era, and
I never forgot that. And we're seeing now if you're
looking for left wing radicalism, if you're looking for what
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is the center of that, of that that challenged that problem,
that that you know, dragon that must be dealt with here,
it is the trans issue. And at a lesser level,
I think some of the cop and race stuff that
comes up, but those are the two that will get
you people on the left who will go the most violent,
(09:11):
the fastest. Isn't also from other climate change, which they
told us was an existential threat. No one even thinks
about this anymore. Yeah, My point is that they shift
from one delusion to another, and this is the delusion
of the moment that they will become violent over There.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Are a lot of evidence points out there, and again
the FBI is in the process of going through this
that suggests that multiple members of the trans community were
posting that Charlie was going to get killed at this
location at this.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Point in time.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Now, how often does that happen? I think it's fair
to say, is this occurring when they're regularly In other words,
are there lots of people when he's speaking at ex
University that are going on social media and saying, well,
something's going to happen there, that's fair to say. But
these posts were up that are saying something is happening,
He's going to get killed at this location. And the
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FBI is now investigating whether this may have been a
part of a larger plan. Again, remember he was shot
as the question was being asked about.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Felt very I mean, the timing of it felt way too,
way too big a coincidence for it to actually be
a coincidence. And we're certainly I know that was asked
of Deputy Bongino on Fox this morning and he said,
we're you know, he all he can say, and he's right,
is we're looking at it. We're looking at everything, and
that is what they're doing right now. But this is clay.
(10:39):
I mean, I can tell you when I was in
the NYPD Intelligence Division, I would say ninety five, which
is counter terrorism, and they've changed the terms and now
it's bureau. But put all that aside, ninety five ninety
eight percent. I want to say one hundred percent, but
I just don't want to be a You know that
that definitive was jihadis terrorism. That's what we're working on.
(11:00):
But you know that they had just to just to
be fair, just to make sure that everyone knew that
they were. They had a white supremacist cell there, you know,
group that looked at them. They were very bored and
had almost nothing to do. Would always help us with
our work, but they did assign people. Now they also
had people looking to be fair at ANTIFUSS stuff too,
because they had already started to become a violent group.
(11:21):
But I'm saying, as somebody who's worked in counter terrorism,
how let me let me pose this question, which I'm
obviously leading to an answer here. How many mass casualty
ideologically based attacks do we have to have before there
is an understanding and a treatment of this issue as
systemic as in trans terrorism is a threat that the
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country must deal with the face.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Now, I think we're past that point that far exactly
where you're.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Going, exactly every the FBI. This needs to be treated
like a task force. This needs to be treated like
the with the urgency that it should have. And you know,
we're going to have all the same, all the civil
rights and they're gonna say, you're looking at this community.
You know, we went through this with the jihatas stuff
We've gone through and they tried to go through this
with Trump voters and January sixth, right, they used the
(12:10):
counter terrorism apparatus against non violent grandmas who walked into
a building that they were waved into. Because we saw
the video. I know there were some people who are
violent with cops. A lot of people are violent with
cops and don't even spend a single day in jail
as long as they're Democrats.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Including the entire BLM era.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
All of it, right, But we are at a point now,
and this is why this is an ideological challenge for
the country. We can't go past this. And I think
that's what the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk has
made it inescapable for anyone who is paying attention. We
have a real challenge here. It is widespread. This is
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the same thing played with with jihadist ideology. There were
the suicide bombers, but then there were the facilitators, and
then there were the spiritual sanctioners, and then there were
the you know, you go through these centric circles of
who is involved and who is pushing what and how
are they a part of this movement? Go on discord,
go online. You'll see a lot of people that are
saying this stuff red and Blue Sky is crazy, is insane?
(13:12):
Blue Sky. The night of Charlie's assassination, I was on it.
It was the most horrifying thing I've ever read in
my life. Honestly, it was completely insane. And now we're
going to get into this First Amendment debate, right they're
going to say what's allowed, what's not well, incitement to
violence is not allowed, material support to terrorism is not allowed.
We need to start looking at this issue with the
same kind of focus that has been used at other
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times when we faced an ideological threat, and that is
what we are under right now as a country, and
that is just the truth. And I'll debate that issue
with anybody.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Who wants to debate it, no doubt.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
A lot of you.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Weighing in on a variety of different angles relating to
the Charlie Kirk story. We're gonna get into this probably
next hour, Buck, and we'll take some of your talkbacks
right now. But I think it's incredibly important for all
of you to know that there are there is a
calculated decision made to try and make it seem And
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I know this is gonna sound crazy to a lot
of you, but I think it's important. You know, I
like I say, I read the New York Times and
all the crazy left wing talks, so you don't have
to do you me watching Morning Joe, it's like Buck
watching Morning Joe. We try to make you aware of
what everybody is saying across the political spectrum. Over the weekend,
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there was a calculated attempt to try to make this
assassin seem like he was a Trump supporting right winger.
I even saw a prominent left wing accounts Buck trying
to say Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn't right
wing enough. That was one of the arguments they were
(16:33):
trying to make. Now it is collapsing because there is
no evidence to support that. But if you have left
wing friends, they may be marinating in this universe where
they're claiming that this violence came from the right.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It did not. Okay, this guy.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Just to kind of lay out a couple of facts,
this guy had a family that tended to be conservative,
that is true. He went off to college and seems
to have lost his mind. He was a smart kid,
thirty four on the ACT. I was reading about him.
Four point zero GPA. What's a thirty four in the
AC to just carry a thirty six? So it's like
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a ninety ninth percentile caliber score, so one in one
thousand level standardized test score. So the kid was smart
and then got lost in left wing ideology. As you
pointed out, is living with and has I don't even
know what you would call it iss dating a trans person. Yeah,
but it's not like a boyfriend or a girl. I
don't even know.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
He's dating a dude who's pretending to be a chick. Now,
is that right? That is correct?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yes, So he is decided a sexual relationship with a
man who who present presents as female or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
All of the reports about the engravings on the bullets.
As we walked through our left wing slogan.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I believe the girlfriend boy. I'm sorry, the boy whatever
he is, the trans you know partner is also a furry.
Yeah no, I'm just I'm just thinking that going to
explain to this audience, I will be honest with you.
I do not this is that that reaches.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
There's this whole.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Online discord some of the words that are being used
for the trans stuff. I'm actually learning some new things
about that because I don't and furries I am only
familiar with in a very limited fashion. So somebody who
dresses up as a again, guys, I understand this is true, true,
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explaining this audience, furry is someone who dresses up as
a woodland creature for sexual purposes. That is that is
the truth is it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Does it have to be a woodland character? Could you
be like a care bear?
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I think that. I think that is.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That is what you're in the same kind of idea,
like you dress up as an animal.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Basically you are dressing up as an animal, as like
a Disney sort of character, but not a like an
animal Disney We have reached, thank thankfully, thankfully. I'm not
very well versed in this world either. But my point
on this is all of the bullets.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Because you're not you're not emotionally psychologically normal. Yes, if
I'm talking about now the assassin, if this is what
you're what you're going for, there's there's problems here.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I would say you are not psychologically normal. If you
are a guy, and you are dating a man that
is deciding to transition to a woman I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Who dresses up like a like a bunny rabbit.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's fun, super fricking weird. This guy's mental crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And there is a lot of evidence as well that
again he was a super far left winger mentally unstable, clearly,
And there is a lot of evidence out there that
many different people in the trans community in the state
of Utah, which does exist, by the way, we're aware
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that something was going to happen here. And so I
think it's very important for you all to understand there
is a calculated attempt because of how embarrassing this is
and how awful this is for the left.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I don't want to take the hit ideologically, they don't
want to. Yeah, they want to claim that this is
this is not on their side, so to speak. And
I just note, you know, they've tried for a very
long time to say that the guy who shot Gabby
Giffords was right wing. I mean, that guy was a
pink elephants in the sky, paranoid schizophrenic of no particular
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ideological cohesion whatsoever. I mean, you couldn't figure out. But
they try very hard to make that because we have
a long list now of very left wing people who
There was the guy who was yelling rand Paul Senator
Paul pull Us on this show. The guy was screaming,
this is for healthcare, yes. And he was a Bernie,
a Bernie bro shooting at those congressional members conservatives. He said,
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are these conservative members of Congress? When he was walking
to the baseball field with that rifle shot, Stevescaliz tried
to murder everybody there but Clay. They don't want this
to They don't want this to sort of seep into
the American consciousness because the second it does, there's a
radicalizing effect here toward we have to deal with this problem. Yes,
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and and you just mentioned people that might have known
about this in advance. I would just say, what does
it tell you if there were other people either supportive
of or within the trans ideology? And this is very clearly.
I mean, you think about people people have committed ideological
acts of terrorism for the environment, people for for far
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less than the so called genocide against the trans community
that the left believes is going on. So now we
look at Okay, who knew that something was coming and
didn't say anything. Who knew that Charlie Kirk was in
danger and didn't go to the authorities. Now you can
claim one way they're oh, well, maybe that doesn't rise
to criminal culpability. Maybe they yeah, let's take a look
(22:03):
at that. And I know Director of Patel and Deputy
Director Bongino are going to be as they should take
a look at that, because how could this be any
different than you know, someone saying, you know what, I'm
building a bomb and I'm going to go put it
in a synagogue, something we dealt with when I was
the NYPD. Yeah, how is it any different than that
lack of basic humanity to say that I'm going to
try to stop this from happening in innocence from being killed.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I think also what you're going to see is some
of these places online and again we'll get into this,
some of these places online are crazy echo chambers, and
when you go into these communities, they radicalize you because
you lose the capability of understanding the real world. I
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thought the governor of Utah actually did a good job
of this. And I know so many of you have
kids and grandkids and you worry about this, the radicalizing
impact of an entirely online culture.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Getting out into the real world is actually healthy.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
He has said some not so good things too, As
you know, I'm just just we're going to get hit
on that unless we point out that this it is
not a side both sides. The second someone does the
both sides thing, I you know, shut it down, no way.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
But I do think this is something that I spend
a lot of time with as a dad, and I
know a lot of you as parents and grandparents. How
do you get your kids off your phone and how
do you get your kids into the real world. This
is why somebody sent me an email and I thought
it was really well said, you know, getting kids involved
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in sports and getting kids involved in extracurricular activities. I
think in an internet age is more important than it
ever has been in the past, because it forces them
to have that face to face interaction in the real world,
which takes you out of the crazy echo chambers of
the internet which radicalize you and make you think that
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what you are working towards is normal.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Well, so you couldn't do what this if you were
an even vaguely psychologically stable and had anything resembling a conscience.
You couldn't do what this person did to Charlie Kirk
if you recognized him as a human being and a
dad and a father, you couldn't do that. Yes, the way,
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and this I've seen this. I go back to the
days when Clay we had a whole unit going into
look I was a CIA. We used to see what
these gihatis were saying online, what they thought they were saying,
and encryptid comms what they thought they were saying on
cell phones. I mean, so you really get in the headspace.
Dehumanization is critical in the mass delusion, and they dehumanized
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Charlie Kirk. They turned him into an avatar of some
you know, anti transgenocidal evil. When reality first, I mean,
put aside even the arguments about what he was saying
and everything else. He's a dad, he's a husband, he's
a son, he's a neighbor, he's an American, he's a
good person. You know, all of that gets swept aside
because in these ideological echo chambers, it turns into he
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is something that must be dealt with instead of he's
a human being. And I've seen this with terrorism over
and over again.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I think that's really well said I would also point
this out, and this is what is so, And we're
going to play a couple of year talkbacks here in
a sec before we go to break. Here is what
I would say too. It's one thing for a crazy
person to kill someone. Unfortunately, crazy people will be killing
people for all of our lives. And beyond what I
(25:38):
can't get out of my head, Buck is if you
go watch that video at the moment that the shot
was fired at that Utah free speech event, there is
a guy who stands up and cheers. I don't know
how many of you have seen that. He's at this
Charlie Kirk event. He hears the gun shot ring out,
he immediately stands up and cheers as if his favorite
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team has just scored a touchdown. That reaction is natural.
His brain is already so polluted that Charlie Kirk is
so dehumanized to him that he shows up at that event.
And when Charlie Kirk is shot, the instant that he
falls back, that man, everybody else is ducking down. Have
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you seen that video that guy stands up. We should
share it on Clay and Buck because I think it's
so dark. That guy stands up and cheers. Let me
play this for you. AA June says, thanks for last week.
Let's play her.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
I'm a sixty five year old woman, a widow with
four grown children, ten grandchildren. Listen you guys every day
while I'm working remotely from home. Love you guys. I
feel like you're my family, and I just want to
let you guys know that you were a major help.
I did not feel all alone listening to you guys
this week. It was an emotional week to begin with,
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before the thing with Charlie even happened. The whole thing
with the poor.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Young woman, Well, we really appreciate that and we feel
the same way, and honestly, we were relying on all
of you and leaning on you and using your shoulder
for support too with your calls, but just knowing that
you're out there listening and you're with us in this
whole process. Clay and I always say we don't need
therapy because we have this show. So it was a
two way street. It was a two way street keeping
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each other steady and reminding each other we have to
get back into this fight. So we're thankful to all
of you.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
She was pointing out there before she got cut off
that the start of the week was the awful story
out of Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Oh my gosh, that's right.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So it was just an emotionally devastating you watched the
video of the woman in Charlotte and then the video
of Charlie getting shot. It was as tough of a
week as I can remember.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That was, I mean, certainly since October seventh in terms
of the level of horror that the news cycle had
brought us.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That was the last.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Feelings of those similar feelings of oh my gosh, what's
going on? And it was one of the toughest news
cycles we've ever had to deal with, honestly here ever,
so even before we were in this in this media world.
So thank you for being here for us. All right, Look,
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Speaker 3 (29:45):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We're
going to talk a bit here about the unhinged and
demonic reaction to the assassination last week of our friend
Charlie Kirk. It's important that everyone understand what is going
on here and that we not push aside or sweetness
under the rock or anything. People need to know what
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some of the nurses, some of the pilots, some of
the teachers, some of the go down the list, what
they think about this, or what they're saying publicly about this.
Will I will point out Bill Maher on his show
This is Cut thirty and he said this to me before,
and I'll get into Clay what he's said to me,
because I think it goes right to this. But there
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is a huge difference even in just whether someone who
is a leftist will talk to you or not if
they know you're a conservative play thirty.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
They're the people who don't want to talk. It's my
main issue with them. And Charlie Kirk was a guy
who like he was always talking, and I talked to
him here. You know, the right wingers say what you
want about them, but they talk to you. They're not
into this leftist think that the left really has much
more of a I don't talk to you. I don't
want to deal with you. You're deplorable. I can't break
(31:04):
bread with you. Yeah, well, that attitude and like all
the right wingers, they don't have that attitude.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Again, I didn't vote for them. And Charlie Kirk and
I certainly don't agree on much politically, but he sat here.
He's a human being, he's not a monster, and a
husband and a father, Yes, and I liked him. I
liked them all. They're all nice people when you meet
them in person, and they're not as crazy as they
would nobody's as crazy as they make them out to be.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I say, Bill, when i've I did to show the
first time. I don't even know now Clay years ago,
and this is one of our first conversations backstage. He's like,
I appreciate that you come here and you say what
you say, and you tell people what you think. But
you're nice to everybody. You're cordial, you're not being a jerk.
And he said you're one of these happy warriors. I
think that's a term very well applied to Charlie Kirk.
(31:53):
Many have already said it. Happy warriors, ideological were ideal warriors, right,
that's the whole point. It's supposed to be exchange ideas.
I don't take the positions that I take, and neither
to Charlie, ou to Uclay to make anyone feel badly.
It's because we want to share the truth with other people.
I actually want them to agree with me. I don't.
(32:13):
I'd rather much rather have them say you know what,
you've got a point, or you know what you're right,
than to feel mocked and belittled or attacked. That's actually
not the point. I mean, that can happen sometimes because
of the way these exchanges go, but that's not the
point of the exchange. But I know you're looking at this.
I mean there is a movement now to create a
searchable database online for people that are celebrating and that
(32:37):
is the appropriate word. They are celebrating the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, which is so monstrous and so disgusting. What
are you seeing about the numbers that have been gathered so.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Far, supposedly fifty thousand names.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
And here's the way that I would analyze this, fifty
thousand people who have gone on social media and celebrated
the assassination. Say that I would work through it is this.
I think if you are a public employee, I think
you should be fired. That is when I say public employee,
I mean taxpayer funded. If you're a member of the military,
(33:12):
if you are a member of police, if you are
a member of first responding communities firefighters. I think everyone
who has gone on social media and celebrated a political
assassination should be fired. I don't believe our taxpayer dollars
should go for that. If you are The University of Tennessee,
for example, just announced that they have fired a faculty
(33:33):
member who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination. If you are a teacher,
I certainly do not believe that you should be in
charge of molding young minds if you are celebrating political assassination.
When it comes to people who are employed by private companies.
I owned a company, I sold it. I would fire
anyone at my company when I own the company who
(33:56):
went on social media and said in any way this
is celebrat too. I think individual business owners should.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Have that right.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I don't think certainly it should be mandated if you're
a private employee, if you did it in uniform at work,
to me, it's a no brainer. I would do it individually.
But again, if you are taxpayer funded, I think we
should have a pretty bright red line, and I think
the bright red line should be you shouldn't celebrate. Hey,
if Rachel Maddow got assassinated, if Barack Obama had gotten assassinated,
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you should be fired. If you are a military member,
if you're a police officer, I think you can easily
kind of work through this, and I don't have a
problem with that at all. Private employers, I think should
be able to make their own decision.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
We'll take some calls here. Krista in Florida with a
story that ties right into what we're talking about. Welcome Christa.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Hi, Claian Buck, thank you so much for taking my call.
I really appreciate it. This is it's been shocking, it's
been heartbreaking, But I just want to read you from
this man LinkedIn page firefighter and t has this material
specialist chemical material.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Sorry, sorry, let me let me say, can you not
share full name because look, there could be there could
be somebody having impostors. I just don't want this station
to be putting people on blast without us knowing anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Okay, thank you, No, absolutely not.
Speaker 9 (35:20):
I will not say the name, just the credentials. Yes,
because then the most shocking part of that was this
was my children's youth ministry leader and he has you know,
he was working with my young adults.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And what did he say?
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Specifically, he he celebrated one less maggot on the world.
I just he was insulting our priest for praying.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I mean, look, I appreciate you calling. Anyone who is
involved in children should be, in my opinion, immediately fired
from their job if they are in any way celebrating
the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You know, thank you for calling. That's a tough thing
because it was like such a betrayal. You've entrusted your
kids to person for their moral development, youth minister, and
you can't understand the obvious unbelievable and demonic moral failure
of celebrating this uh in any way, shape or form.
(36:38):
It's it's stunning, and we're seeing so much of this
uh and and I just I don't know, I Clay,
it's it has made me think that this country has
a has a darker future than and I had anticipated before,
just because this, this has to be confronted. And I
would just point out, and that's why I don't like this. Oh,
(37:00):
it's on both sides. And let's just all do dialogue now. No,
Charlie was doing dialogue. That's the point. His whole movement
was built on peaceful dialogue. And this is what happened.
And look at all these people who are celebrating this,
and now there's also this really honestly, it's just so lame.
But this effort to say, well, conservatives are doing cancel culture. Now,
(37:23):
everyone who's saying that if any person in any job
said a particular racial slur, they would all demand the
immediate firing of that person, probably in any context whatsoever.
They all absolutely believe in people being fired from their
jobs for offending or for political reasons or whatever. But
now they're pretending like this isn't. So they obviously have
(37:45):
their red lines. They're pretending like this celebrating the assassination
of a father, a husband, a young guy thirty one
years old, that's not a red line, Like you should
keep your job even after you have brought that kind
of infanty on whatever organization you work for. That's insane.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, And I also think this is where I always
try to think on precedent, And I know this is challenging,
but I don't even know who the equivalent of Charlie
Kirk would be on the left. But I've just used
the name Rachel Maddow. Buck's right that she's not a
perfect analogy. They don't have a perfect analogy because their
arguments are bad and they don't really believe in free
speech by and law.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They are very much trying to build up somebody on
the left now as the new person for the youth.
And he's a I'm not gonna say his name on
the show. He's a very bad person. He's just a
bad human being. So I don't want to but there's
someone on the left that there. I wrote an op
ed for the New York Times design understand that about
this issue is a I could play clips on this show.
The fact the New York Times would give that guy, well,
(38:45):
the New York Times is a disgrace too. But it's
interesting to me because our Charlie was a good and
decent human being, just completely without getting into his politics
and the left. Of course, the person that they want
to build up is an outright scumback outrights, comeback. Just
to anyone who's curious, knows he does understand. This guy
does understand internet culture and online video games. That I
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will say, but that's about it.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, let's use Rachel Maddow as an example, or this
unnamed guy. I also think if they were assassinated at
a free speech event and you went on and you
celebrated that as a teacher, as a faculty member at
a university, as a first responder, as anyone who's employed
by taxpayers, I think you should be fired for that too.
(39:29):
So I think you can easily to me setting the
precedent of where is the line that we draw? And
again I think private employers should be able to make
their own decisions. I would have the same standard both directions.
I would fire someone when I ran my own company,
and I have expansive first Amendment beliefs, but people don't
(39:50):
under celebrate death something.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
So is the standard that the left thinks that we're
all supposed to live by, that you can say absolutely
anything and I mean anything and keep your job. Of course,
they wanted people to get fired for using the wrong pronouns.
Of yes, these are the people that now all of
a sudden, are free speech absolutists. The First Amendment means
that the government can't take action against you for what
you say. It doesn't mean that your private employer has
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to keep you employed no matter what you do, no
matter what you say in public. That's not what it means.
So I know.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
That's why to me, I mean again, you break it down.
I think in times of emotion it's challenging, but there
is a standard for basic humanity. And if you celebrate
the murder of dads and moms for sharing their political opinions,
in my opinion, you have failed the basic standard of humanity.
If you fail the basic standard of humanity, I don't
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want you employed at my company. I don't want you
instructing my children. If you are taxpayer funded, then I
think you if you fail the basic standard of humanity,
you shouldn't be taxpayer funded anymore.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Individual owners of businesses, I think they should have the
to decide who they employ and not. But this is
not a tough call to me. We can debate sometimes
gray areas of hey, what is an acceptable speech? What's
not cheering?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Assassination? You should get fire? In my always humble opinion,
this is not a tough call.
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Speaker 2 (42:44):
You're joined now by Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. We're
going to dive into President Trump's announcement last week that
he's going to be bringing the National Guard into Memphis, which,
according to many measures of violent crime on a per
capita base, this may well be the most dangerous city
in the entire country. But I want to start with this,
(43:07):
Center Blackburn. First of all, I missed you in Knoxville,
where you and I were both attending the Georgia Tennessee game,
which did not end well for the good guys in
this case the team wearing orange. But I know that
you were all over the place there and it's a
sporting event. But I bet you had a similar experience
(43:29):
as I did, Senator Blackburn, which is the number of
people who came up to me that wanted to talk
about what happened to Charlie Kirk, even at a sporting event,
was unlike anything I've ever seen before. No One usually
people want to come up and it's almost exclusively, Hey,
who's going to win the game? What do you think
(43:49):
is going to happen? Almost everybody that came up to
me at the sporting event wanted to talk about the
Charlie Kirk situation. I not asked you this, but I
bet you found it to be similar as well. And
I know you have a grandson that attends the same
school as my sons, and the impact on young men
in particular of this assassination has been extraordinarily awful. But
(44:13):
their response has been I have seen very profoundly courageous.
I've been very encouraged. So that's a big prelude, but
I'm curious what you found in both those situations.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Yes, indeed, I will tell you. I have been just
so honored by the conduct of my grandsons and their
classmates and how they held a memorial for Charlie kirk
in for the remembrance of nine to eleven, And our
grandson even noticed that the flags had not been moved
(44:46):
to half staff before before class started, So he walked
out to the flagpole and he lowered the flag to
half staff, and I think the teachers kind of got
in behind him a little bit about it, but he
said he was following the president's order for all flags
(45:08):
to fly at half staff until six pm on Sunday.
And I said, you know, if that's what you get
in trouble for, that's a pretty good thing. Honoring someone
who was assassinated, honoring those that lost their lives in
our military who fought after nine to eleven, in all
of those brave first responders, and doing what the President
(45:34):
said was the order of the day, which was lowering
the flags. And you're right about being at University of Tennessee,
we could hardly get through the crowd, like you said,
without people saying, look, we stand with Charlie Kirk, we
stand with family values in Tennessee values and morals, and
(45:57):
we stand with the president. And it was just such
an outpouring I think for so many college students, whether
you were there in Circle Park or at one of
the fraternity houses or wherever play, it was astounding to
me that these kids were such a fan of Charlie Kirk.
(46:19):
They listened to him, they followed him, they enjoyed his podcast,
and they wanted to They loved the way he speaks
truth and have so gravitated to that. And they left
President Trump and they just wanted to register their shock
and their disappointment with what had happened and their grief
(46:44):
in many respects. And we had a great sermon yesterday
at our church and the minister said, something I think
is so important is that while we turned the other cheek,
and we know to turn the other cheek evil, we
cannot turn a blind eye. And that is incumbent on
(47:08):
us to remember that we have to push back and
fight against evil. And it is pure evil that caused
someone to try to silence Charlie Kirk, and as we
have seen, his message now will be more powerful than ever.
The outpouring of support for Charlie in his work for
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Erica and their children. It is not singular, but it
is global in nature, and indeed, I think this is
truly a turning point.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Senator Blackburn, appreciate you being with us. Something that's also
getting some attention in the news cycle today is the
move by President Trump to perhaps bring National Guard and
and bring federal resources to your home state and specifically
to help tackle the out of control murder rate in
(48:07):
the city of Memphis. What can you tell us you
know about this so far, what stage is the planning
and do you believe that this would be able to
have a marked impact and effect to bring that murder
rate down?
Speaker 5 (48:21):
Yes, indeed, I do think it is going to be helpful.
And what we know is this Cash Fattel gave me
a commitment when he came to meet with me before
his hearing for his FBI confirmation, and I'm on Senate
Judiciary Committee. I asked him in my office and then
(48:43):
again publicly at the hearing to help me with Memphis
and getting an FBI surge in Memphis. Under President Trump's
first term, we had a program there called Legend. It
had great results. Biden ended it. Crime surged. We needed
something back, so this summer for two months we had
(49:05):
Operation Viper. There have been over five hundred arrest There
have already been over one hundred indictments. We know Memphis
has one hundred games. They have a per capital murder
rate of twenty five hundred per one hundred thousand. That
is why it's the most dangerous city in the country.
(49:29):
We know that during the surge, Memphis had the best
August it has had in years. Whether it's murders or
rapes or thefts, burglaries, assaults, all the numbers have been
down and significantly down. Some the best in twenty years,
(49:50):
some the best in over five years. So this has
made a difference. Now the surge with the FBI is over.
They've worked closely with MO Memphis Police, with the Mayor
of Memphis, and they need to continue this multi phase
(50:11):
approach and it has been an interdisciplinary strategy with different agencies.
So in order to back up the Memphis Police Department,
you will have the National Guard. Now they can go in,
they can do paperwork, they can do logistics, they can
(50:31):
do traffic. There are so many things they can do.
And this will allow Memphis Police who do have arrest
powers to go in and apprehend others in these gangs
and get them off the streets. And that's where Memphis
PD needs to be focused is continuing to apprehend these
(50:55):
gang leaders and gang members that are selling drugs, that
are doing so trafficking, human trafficking, that are carrying out
these sets. You know, in Memphis it's a logistics hub,
and we have the port at Memphis. We have all
five Class A railroads I forty that goes from the
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East coast to the west coast, and you also have
fe X. So when you've got all of this with
the river, the rail, the highways, the air, cargo theft
is a big issue and these gangs have created processes
(51:36):
to go in and rip these containers and carry out
cargo theft. So being able to have the police work
with these companies whether it's rail or water, are highways
and I get a handle around this cargo theft is
vitally important. Also, so the National Guard is going to
(52:00):
be appreciated, They are going to be welcomed in Memphis.
We want Memphis to be safe, We want it to
be prosperous. It is a wonderful city. It has a
brilliant it has a promising future, and a big part
of that is getting the crime under control.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Center Blackburn, I just Buck and I started off the
show talking about the dark soul of the left in
this country that so many people have felt compelled publicly
to celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This is a
big question, and it's one that I've been thinking about
(52:43):
a lot. How do we fix this? Because if your
soul is so dark that when you see a father
murdered in cold blood simply for sitting in front of
an open mic and saying tell me whatever you believe too,
the soul of so many people is profoundly evil here.
How do we fix the rot in our culture?
Speaker 1 (53:05):
What can we do.
Speaker 9 (53:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (53:09):
This is something that talking with people through the process
of legislation that I have worked on with the Kids
Online Safety Act and trying to get that passed. And
you look at what these young people are picking up
on social media. They become isolated. They get onto these
(53:31):
platforms like Reddit and discord, and they get into these
discussion groups, and instead of it being a tool that
opens their mind and something for good, it narrows their
thought process and they become very angry. So I think
the church has a role to play in this. I
(53:52):
think parents have a role to play in this. A
governance for social media platforms have a role to play
in this. Looking at the mental health of kids. That
is something that has to be done. It's not going
to be fixed by one thing or another thing. But
I do believe that strong families they can help. I
(54:15):
do believe is that getting kids off of these social
media platforms that will help. I do think that incur
And I will say this, I think the Governor of
Utah has done an exemplary job in this getting kids
off these devices. You know, right now, the studies that
(54:39):
we have seen as we've worked on keeping kids safe
and trying to hold social media to account. You know,
kids are spending teenagers are spending as much as eight
hours a day on the phone, eight hours. Middle school
kids are spending about five and when they're doing this
(55:00):
being exposed to things that young minds are not equipped
to see. This. I mean, this is when we have
ratings on movies in theaters. You can't take a tile
to an X rated movie. You can't sell them alcohol
or tobacco or firearms. You can't take them to a
(55:21):
pornographic show or a strip club, or sell them magazines.
But on the virtual space, they're exposed to it twenty
four to seven and they become desensitized. And you know,
I just I am, and some of my friends, we
(55:41):
are just praying, deeply, praying that scales will fall from
eyes and that people will awaken and they will realize
what is happening to our children in our society. That
they will encourage our children to boldly stand for values
and for right and to stand against some of this
(56:04):
evil presence to come off of these devices. And that
means that adults, parents, teachers, preachers, everyone's going to have
to do their part.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Senator Blackbird always appreciates you. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (56:20):
You got it. Take care, Binya.
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It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.
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