September 16, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show opens with Clay and Buck broadcasting live from New York City, previewing Clay’s upcoming debate with Stephen A. Smith. The hosts immediately dive into breaking political developments, including President Donald Trump’s departure for the United Kingdom and his remarks on Gaza, TikTok, and Pam Bondi’s controversial comments about hate speech. Buck defends TikTok’s utility for conservatives, while Clay raises concerns about government overreach and free speech. The conversation transitions into a broader critique of censorship and the left’s shifting stance on political unity, especially in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
A major focus of the hour is Vice President JD Vance’s powerful commentary on political violence, delivered while guest-hosting Charlie Kirk’s show. Vance condemns left-wing extremism and the celebration of Kirk’s murder, calling out organizations like the Ford Foundation and George Soros’s Open Society Foundation for allegedly funding radical narratives. Clay and Buck echo Vance’s sentiments, arguing that the left’s rhetoric—comparing Trump and his supporters to Nazis and fascists—has fueled real-world violence. They highlight the hypocrisy of left-wing platforms banning dissenting voices while tolerating or even celebrating political assassinations.
The hosts also analyze the online radicalization of Gen Z through platforms like Reddit, Discord, and Twitch, describing them as breeding grounds for left-wing extremism. They explore how these digital communities have become echo chambers for anti-conservative sentiment and misinformation. Buck and Clay express concern over the influence these platforms have on shaping public opinion and fueling ideological violence, especially among younger users. They also discuss the implications of AI systems being trained on biased data from these sources, warning of future distortions in political discourse.
Later in the hour, Clay and Buck react to a heated exchange between FBI Director Kash Patel and Senator Cory Booker during Capitol Hill testimony. They dissect Booker’s aggressive posture and speculate on his presidential ambitions, contrasting his approach with Kamala Harris’s political viability. The hosts defend Patel’s transparency in the Kirk investigation, acknowledging some missteps but praising his intent to keep the public informed. They also revisit past FBI controversies, including the Pulse nightclub shooting and the Russia collusion narrative, to underscore the importance of honest communication from federal agencies.
The hour concludes with reflections on Pam Bondi’s remarks about prosecuting hate speech. Clay and Buck caution against conflating emotional reactions with legal standards, emphasizing the importance of protecting political speech under the First Amendment. They argue that vague definitions of hate speech could lead to dangerous precedents, especially given the left’s tendency to label dissent as bigotry. The segment wraps with updates on the Memphis crime crackdown and a preview of upcoming investigations into Charlie Kirk’s assassination, setting the stage for continued coverage in Hour 2.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcomit, everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show, coming to you live from ny See.
You're here in New York City. Clay has quite about
this afternoon. Indeed, if mister Stephen A Smith, they are
going to be having a debate, and as we know,
(00:20):
we will not step back from debates these days.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We will not.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
In any way, in any way seed the fields to
the other side, although I think you guys are going
to have a pretty cordial but feisty exchange. But we've
got a lot of news to dive into here, and
we've got updates. Well. First of all, Trump is leaving
for the UK, so we've got some sound from the
President himself on a whole range of things Ukraine, talking
(00:50):
about Pam Bondy, a deal on TikTok, which I am
excited about. I have been the only I'm going to
say this, I'm the only consistent conservative I think on
TikTok the last few years where I'm just like, I
like it. We shouldn't get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Everybody likes it. Now all of a sudden, it's fine,
Trump likes it. Everybody likes it because there's ways to
make it not now. I know you were saying all along, well,
as long as it's not a Chinese controlled spying operation,
then you like it too. But I've just been waiting
for this moment when there's a deal on TikTok. It
looks like there is. Trump also spoke on Gaza JD
(01:25):
Vance with some incredibly powerful comments about the people calling
for unity right now with the radical left. I think JD.
He was guest hosting Charlie Kirks Show yesterday. I think
JD absolutely nailed it. He's a very impressive guy, a
very eloquent speaker in his own right. And so we'll
(01:47):
get to that more on the Memphis crime crackdown that
may be coming, and then perhaps Clay because we're in
New York City. The New York City mayor race, which
I'm sad for our New York City based staff because
it is my belief that the mayor is going to
be Mom Dannie and it is almost a sure thing
at this point, which is pretty stunning, pretty outrageous. But
(02:11):
let's dive into a few things here. You know, I
actually want to start with this. So this is kind
of a longer clip because I wanted you to hear
the whole thing. But jd Vance when he was guest
hosting the Charlie Kirk program yesterday, jd Vance talking about
this because here's what I think is very frustrating for me,
for you, Clay, for a lot of people. Right now.
(02:33):
You had Charlie who was doing debate, discussion, created a
marketplace of ideas, a forum for ideas, and he was assassinated.
And now you have all these people who are saying, well,
we just need a marketplace of ideas or you know,
we just need to tone things down and get into exchange. Well,
(02:54):
hold on a second, we were doing that. It's the
other side that was not doing that is not willing
to do it. Even still, here is jd Vance. This
has cut nine with something I just think you all
really need to hear.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
There is no unity with people who scream at children
over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone
who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to
excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who
harasses an innocent family the day after the father of
that family lost a dear friend.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie
Kirk's assassination, and there is no unity with the people
who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these
terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband
and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he
spoke words with which they disagree. Did you know that
(03:49):
the George Soros Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation,
the groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death?
Do you know they benefit from generous treatment? They are
literally subsidized by you and me, the American taxpayer.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And how do they reward us by setting fire to
the house built by the American family over two hundred
and fifty years. I'm desperate for our country to be
united in condemnation of the actions and the ideas that
killed my friend. I want it so badly that I
will tell you a difficult truth. We can only have
it with people who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable
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and when we work to dismantle the institutions that promote
violence and terrorism in our own country.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I think Clay he absolutely nails it, but also that
both sides ism has switched from both sides to political
violence to both sides need to calm down and look
for a unity. No, it's this both sides thing is
not going to fly.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I just can't get past the fact that we have
an entire base of the left wing that has celebrated
this assassination. There's always going to be crazy people, There's
always going to be lunatics. But the idea that huge
(05:14):
portions of the Democrat base have taken to social media
have exalted across the entire internet in this assassination I
mentioned last week. I bet almost every single one of
you has someone in your larger friend or family network
(05:34):
who if you go on Facebook, you have seen somebody
and kind of been in disbelief that it could be happening.
And that's the part Buck that I can't get over,
that I can't get pasted, and frankly, that I think
is the most indefensible aspect of this at all. And
I just, I mean, just play along with me on this.
(05:57):
In this world, if Barack Obama had had an year
clipped by a bullet fired by a would be assassin,
if a month later somebody else had tried to kill him,
and then in the same roughly year period fourteen months,
the one of the top advocates for Barack Obama had
been assassinated at a free speech event. Is there any
(06:18):
way at all that the left would be saying, Hey,
we need for everybody to tone down the political violence.
And then you toss in all of the Blue Sky celebrations,
all of the Twitter celebrations. They are banning people on
Reddit for condemning the assassination. Let me repeat that, on
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some of these forums that are moderated on Reddit, they
are actually banning posters who are condemning the assassination. Remember
what happened after January sixth. They wouldn't let Trump have
an Etsy account or have a What's the Thing where
they do like the poster boards and Pinterest. They would
They banned him on every every social media platform. They
(07:02):
shut him down on Twitter, on Facebook, on all the Instagram,
all the big ones. Many of you out there they
restricted as well. I don't believe in free speech restrictions,
but just look at how the left responded to jan
six condemning wholeheartedly huge swaths of America as violent extremists.
And now after they engage in violent extremism, the topic is, oh,
(07:28):
we got to tone down the violence. Well, actually, why
don't you address your own house and the fact that
this is the logical consequence of calling a man Hitler
and all of his supporters Nazis. For a decade, this
guy wrote anti Nazi slogans, anti fascist slogans, pro trans
slogans on the bullets that he used to kill Charlie Kirk,
(07:50):
the casings. I'm sorry, I'm not willing to say we
have a mutuality of violence issues here. The left is
uniquely right now violent and driven by the rhetoric of
the Democrat Party. No one out there is calling mom
Donnie Hitler. Nobody is calling Chuck Schumer or Kamala Harris
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or any of the leaders of the Democrat Party morons. Yes,
bad faith arguers, Yes, but that is focused on what
they're saying, not them as individuals. When you say that
someone is a violent extremist threat, you can't then say,
but we condemn the acts that are done to undertake
to try to remove a violent extremist. This is this
(08:33):
is just bs.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah. Well, they've been making the case, the Democrats have
been making the case for years now that Trump, trump Ism,
MAGA are clear and present danger to the republic, are
the end of democracy? The you know, the jokes that
are made about Trump twenty twenty eight, they take very
seriously and they completely lose their minds over it. And
(08:54):
I think that finally, what we've seen is, you know,
people refer to normies, you know, people who aren't really
that involved in politics day to day. They with the
response to what happened to our friend, to the assassination
of our friend Charlie Kirk. They are seeing this and
coming away with the conclusion, you know, if you're a
(09:14):
fair minded person, you're just observing there's something really wrong
with the left in this country, and the Democrat Party
is the vessel of the left. The left really controls it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
After Trump was nearly killed, we came on this show
and we said, is the left going to dial down
the rhetoric in the temperature, And within a couple of
months the answer was no. They were right back to
Trump is hitler, Trump is a fascist. Democracy is going
to end if Trump is elected president. There's not going
to be an election in twenty twenty sixth. There's not
going to be an election in twenty twenty eight. They
(09:46):
went right back to the same arguments they were making
that I believe motivated the assassination attempts. My concern is
now that Charlie Kirk has actually been assassinated. Instead of
dialing the temperature down, I think the temperature has gotten
escalated even more.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Are people there are streamers, you know, there's this whole
world of Internet activity that quite honestly is like people
thirty in below that even you and I who are
Internet native in the sense that we both started like
I started doing digital radio before I was even doing
terrestrial radio, right, and then I work for a website
(10:21):
and you started a website, and.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We understand the Internet. We're not old guys that are like,
what's the dot com thing?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Right exactly? You know, We're not running around with our
Aol emails just kidding some of you.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I know of it.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Again, my mom has an Aol email. Don't worry. They're
still cool. But the there are corners of the Internet
discord Reddit that have become clearly centers of left wing
radicalization on some of these issues, where people are encouraging
each other and sharing certain things. And it's just interesting
(10:52):
to me as well, Clay, that during the Biden administration,
we recall there was the disinformation Czar positions try that
they and that they used Nina Jankowitz. Was that her name, yeah, yeah,
Soviet Mary Poppins, Yeah, I remember, Yeah, the efforts to
shut down disfavored speech. You mentioned what they did to Trump.
(11:12):
I mean they did this to an actual president. They
kicked him off of Stey.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He was in office, they would not allow him to communicate.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So I also think that there is a there's not
really a willingness to have rules in place for how
our side conducts itself to try to get accountability that
will always just be used against it. I'm reminded of
the quote from Children of Dune, which is not the
original Dune, but it's one of the follow ons. I
(11:40):
think it's Frank Herbert. It's when I am weak, I
demand freedom because it is according to your rules. When
I am strong, I demand obedience because it is according
to my rules. That's roughly the quote, and that's really
the way that the Democrats operate with all this stuff.
It's when they can get away with it, they censor,
they shut you down, they do all of this. But
(12:00):
when they've reached a point where they've gone way too
far and clearly there's a problem, they start saying, oh,
it's on all sides, and we need to just turn
down the temperature. And oh my gosh, you're censoring people.
I mean censoring people here, JD. This is fourteen. JD
went straight up said people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder should
(12:20):
have their employers called. So this is from the vice
president of play ten America.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Deserved nine to eleven. Dude, what.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them
out in hell, call their employer. We don't believe in
political violence, but we do believe in civility, and there
was no civility in the celebration of political assassination.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Anyway. So yeah, the reality here is the employers being
called Clay Democrats were fine with people being fired for
hand gestures that meant nothing. Macrets were fine, like, we've
gone through all of this and basically, now that they
don't have the power, Now that they don't have the
(13:08):
the power to do what they want to do anymore,
there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think again, we'll get into this, but they're panicked
a little bit because they recognize the ones that are
intelligent enough that they have a toxic, violent culture on
the left that they have created and they're trying to
still argue that this assassin was motivated by right wing politics,
(13:32):
and in fact it's working. We should get into this.
There's pulling out there that suggests again, you guys know,
because we try to be honest with you and share
the full scope of stories, you understand what all the
data reflects, what all the evidence is marshaled that this
was a crazy left winger. A lot of Democrats actually
believe that this was a Republican that assassinated Charlie Kirk.
(13:55):
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Speaker 2 (15:08):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Cash Betel
is on Capitol Hill testifying right now, and things just
got very spicy between he and Cory Booker, Senator from
New Jersey. This is what that sounded like. Play cut
thirty six.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
If you want to work on bringing this country, it's
my time, not yours, My god, my god.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
If you want to talk about this country, it is you.
On your social media post, this.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Is my time, country.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Time. You're time over this committee, sir, You don't tell
me by time is over, you tell me what my
time is. You can't lecture me, you can tell me.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I am mister chairman, afraid of you feisty.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Look, Corey Booker has decided that his uh, he is
running by the way again one hundred. He's gonna get
at least three or four percent of the vote this
time too. Let me just tell Corey Booker, you have
a zero percent chance of ever being elected president of
the United States. I think there's.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Somebody if you had to run, if you had to
run a campaign, Kamala or Corey Booker in twenty eight,
which one would you pick?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I think Kamala is actually a better out.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You're a Mattory book You're devotion to Kamala. This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Corey Booker is angry and uh, that is what he
has decided. His brand is angry Senator. He's always outraged.
He's always yelling and screaming every Booker. Yeah, have you
not seen him on all the like he's been throwing
the history onic fits. He did the long debate, like
set a record on the Senate floor to me, what
(16:51):
just we just played with? Cash? Is Corey Booker's brand.
He's decided I think it's calculated decision. He's decided that
the best way to distinguish himself, and you're right, he
is running for president is to be the forceful opposition
to Trump. I think that's what he sees his lane as.
The problem is, when you're the forceful opposition to Trump,
(17:13):
you have to line up against a lot of things
that make sense.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And I feel like Democrats won't know what to do
with themselves when they wake up and they realize that
they're not running against Trump the next time. So they've
they've created this whole branding around how they want to
oppose Trump. No, he's been He's gonna end up being
president for eight years. Yeah one, you couldn't stop him,
So they're going to have to figure something else out
(17:36):
at some point.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
This is about raising money and elevating yourself as a candidate.
I've said this, and it's going to be one of
the most stunning things to watch come twenty twenty seven.
As soon as the midterms are over, the pivot is
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He is leaving for the United Kingdom. He spoke about
(19:02):
a whole range of issues. Wanted to bring you up
to speed on that. Also, we've got some updates from
FBI Director Patel. He's been making the rounds on Fox
News talking about the status of the investigation. But first
up here we have We've got a whole range of
Trump stuff. I'll start here with Pam Bondi. Now, Pam
(19:23):
Bondi has gotten a little bit of pushback from people
even on the right over some comments that she made.
Do we have a team? Do we have that where
she says we're going to go after hate speech? This
got she was on the Steven Miller's wife's podcast, Katie Katie,
Thank You, and it was on that podcast. Yeah, we
(19:43):
have that here, play play what she said on the podcast.
There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there
is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to
Charlie in our society.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Do you see more law enforcement going after the these
groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people,
so we show them that some action is better than
no action. We will absolutely target you, go after you
if you are targeting anyone with hate speech anything, And
that's across the aisle.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
She means incitement to violence, which is a very specific thing.
I hope hate speech. There's not a hate speech exception
to the First Amendment. Now, this is where everyone seems
to get clay in this discussion. Not everyone, but people
seem to get maybe sometimes intentionally confused, or they conflate things.
(20:43):
It is one thing to say that you publicly state
something and your employer chooses to look you or I, yes,
we can't. We're here on the radio. There are things
we cannot say on the radio. There are words, for example,
we could not say without repercussions. We would get in
trouble because of the FCC. That's right, So we accept
that as part of because this is a time and
(21:03):
place restriction on our speech. But also when you're working
for a private employer, especially for an at will employee,
they can decide that you reflect poorly on them as
an employee and they can fire you. That is a
different thing. Then the government is going to go after
you and lock you up because you said things that
are very very mean or very very gross. Talking about
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the hate speech thing, remember the left says that hate
speech is using the wrong pronouns for trends individuals, right,
So if we're going to get into this, we can't
even define, or rather, there is no working definition of
hate speech. It's just whatever the people in power don't like.
So I'm a little surprised that the AG said this.
I think that she I'm not actually even sure what
she thought she was saying with this. I'm confused by
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where she's going with.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It, what we don't need. So when you take a
step back and hit it two different ways, One, Europe
has hate speech codes that they're trying to apply. Now
that's how you end up when a comedian gets off
an airplane flight in London having five police officers to
wait for him. If you remember that story, which wasn't
(22:10):
very long ago, that a British comedian was accused of
hate speech for addressing trans related issues, and we have
seen sixty minutes went into Germany with their cameras and
followed as people were arrested for things that they posted
on social media, which I believe were clearly political speech.
(22:31):
So I think she's wrong here. Two, and this is
where I'm not I'm not happy with this. It is
natural to respond emotionally to awful things. It is one
hundred percent natural. Anybody who listened to this show last
week knows that we were strongly and deeply emotionally impacted
by what happened to Charlie. But the Attorney General of
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the United States cannot be in a position where he
or she is responding emotionally when it comes to putting
in place the principles of the law under which we
are all living. And so I'm disappointed by the way
that the Attorney General of the United States spoke here
now to your point, if she were inarticulately attempting to address,
(23:15):
which is again she's a lawyer, she should be more
articulate on this. If she were attempting to say, there
is a difference between call to action for violence incitement,
as you said, and political speech. That is true, you
can't go on and say to you or me or
we couldn't say this on the show. Hey, I disagree
with this political opinion, and you should kill that guy
(23:38):
for saying it. That's not protected speech. Death threats are
not protected speech. There is criminal element that moves towards incitement.
And if she's trying to address that, she inarticulately did it.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And I think that's what I'm leaning towards. I think
that's what she was her intent was, So she has
to know that conservatives we've been trying to get rid
of the right has been trying to get rid of
hate speech os and for example, the fact that there
have been people arrested for putting skid marks on a
correct Pride flag on the road on the road. No,
(24:16):
that's insane, Okay, you can't. You can't do that, or
that people would get arrested for burning like the trans flag.
You know, this is a discussion we had, we had recently,
so I think she was just saying something else, but
it didn't really come out very well. But Trump spoke.
This is what was making me think of this. Trump
spoke about it. This has cut four and also about
Cash Bettel. So let's hear what the president has to say.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
First of all, I think that Pam Bondi has done
an unbelievable job and everybody agrees with that. And Cash,
you know, if you look at take a look at
what he did with respect to this horrible person that
he just captured. He did it in two days. It
took other similar cases four days, five days, four years.
If you look at certain shooters. Now, I have confidence
(25:01):
that everybody in the administration, my administration, and a lot
of people are saying it, that's just me. It's so
far the best administration ever formed.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So the people who are saying that Patel is about
to director Patel is about to get the boot, including
I think Corey Booker said that he said Trump's gonna
leave you high and dry, or He's going to, you know,
kick you to the curve, something like that. Trump is
standing with his people and not backing down at all.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I think a lot of that criticism came out because,
to be fair, Cash tried to be overly informative on
social media about the people who were being taken into custody.
And there were two people, if I remember correctly, Buck
that were taken into custody that at least the way
that it was released was hey, we think we have
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the shooter, and neither of those individuals were in fact
the shooter, and both were released. Now obviously they have
the shooter in custody. I think if Cash Patel could
go back, he would say, Hey, I wish I'd been
a little bit slower in the way that I posted
about some of these arrests. But I think his goal
was as the FBI director, to over communicate with people
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so it didn't look like we were hiding the ball
or to allow conspiracies to take root, and so I
think that was the intent.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I can also point to previous instances where the FBI
was delaying and it looked like delaying so that they
could politicize. It looked like they weren't releasing I'm not
talking about under this Trump administration, but you can go
back and think about, for example of Clay. I don't
(26:38):
know if you remember the Pulse nightclub shooting under the
I think it was the Obama administration.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
This is going back quite a way.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Is the FBI released a transcript that the shooter who
had called in because he wanted everyone to know, and
he was saying things like I'm doing this for Allah,
I'm doing this for isis like very straightforward. The FBI
unilaterally decided to block stuff black stuff in the transcript,
and it was it was preposterous because we all could
play the fill in the blank game. We knew what
(27:04):
he was saying, right, we understood what was going on.
And there have been other cases as well where I
think the FBI was very Look, I'm the one that
I'm sure a lot of a lot of you listening
are screaming about, is all the Russia collusion stuff instead
of being transparent and letting people know when they knew
or you know. The problem with that was they were
all I mean not they were all, but the FBI
(27:24):
was in on that whole scam. So there was just
a lack of faith. So I think the efforts at transparency,
putting information out sooner, that comes from a good place
for director Patel. But there were some missteps, perhaps in
the way the information was shared, because for example, we
all thought that they had the guy in custody and
they didn't, and that that probably shouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Also, I think he's seeing all of the lies that
are being spread on the left about the motivations of
this shooter. Maybe at the top of the next hour
we'll dive into some more of this. There is, i believe,
right now, a calculated attempt on the left in this
country because they recognize that normal people out there are saying,
(28:08):
wait a minute, there's a lot of people celebrating this murder,
and there is a lot of left wing violence in
the wake of the shooting at the Nashville school and
the wake of the shooting at the Minneapolis school. And
you can be a left wing malcatin, but his motivations
this shooter appears to have clearly been fueled by left
(28:32):
wing attacks on Charlie Kirk, on Donald Trump, on people
like you and me as Hitler and Nazis and fascists
and all of these things. And so I think they're
trying to intentionally confuse people as to where these motivations
are coming from. So I think the goal of Cash
Bettel and Dan Bongino is to try to get the
truth out.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well that's I mean, that's absolutely what's going on. There's
an intentional effort by the media so that they can
avoid the idea iological accountability of because remember they were
they have been saying stuff CNN, The New York Times,
Washington Post, you know, the biggest Democrat aligned media outlets.
We don't really get cinteresson. We used to call them
mainstream media. We got rid of that because why do
(29:14):
we say their mainstream right, And then it was legacy media,
but that felt a little too exalted for them. We
don't have really a good term for I don't know,
maybe lib media. My point though is they have been
saying stuff Clay for years that if somebody really believed
the the gap between reading this stuff and thinking that
(29:36):
you need to take imminent action is far too small.
If somebody says that the president is a Nazi, the
White House is full of white supremacists, there's not going
to be another election, and they're going to be marching,
you know, they're going to be marching you off into
you know, some kind of camps because you're a Democrat.
Whatever the crazy stuff that they say, fascism, They use
the term fascism all the time. The people that say that,
(29:59):
by the way, I think, just have very little understanding
of what a fascistic society is like. One thing that's
not true in fascism is you get more famous and
more money in the media if you are bashing the
regime all the time, and that it's like a good
at least it was previously for them, a good strategy.
But I think that they the mains. This is the
big the big difference when they do the both sides
(30:19):
is thing the mainstream thinking among the Democrat Party when
it comes to Trump, Maga all of it is extreme
and delusional. And you can say on the right there
are people who have said nasty things here or there,
but they are fringe. They do not have they do
(30:40):
not have power. They are not you know in the UH.
You know, this the center of the decision making of
the conservative or the right wing movement in this country.
And that's where there's just an there's just a hugely
obvious difference, and we won't. I was talking to Clay like,
do we want to play these guys? Are not there?
These left wing streamers on Discord. So just so I'm
(31:01):
understand this, and now Discord is where he was having
the shooters Discord. Discord is a chat room, but it
goes simultaneously to video game playings. So my understanding, because
my boys are active is Discord. You can create group chats,
and the group chats on Discord are basically private message
(31:22):
boards that can be very large, or you could create
a Discord group chat for say your family and friends,
where everybody can communicate. My understanding is that he was
active in trans related Discord group chats, which some of
which can be very substantial in scope. What is different is,
(31:43):
again this is me trying to dive into the Internet
here and explain differences. Reddit is basically an online message
board where everybody can see what is posted, and there
are all these different like this is like a private
I think, I think I might be thinking of it.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Twitch, Yeah, you're thinking of Twitch, which is a video
streaming service that largely is featuring people playing video games.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
So people watch. This is amazing because I actually, during
co I admit this, I started playing some video games.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Again.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I kind of like Call of Duty. I like, but
the idea that I would sit there and watch somebody
else play video games is It's just that makes no
sense to me at all.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
But this is a big Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The communities that do this are huge online.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
My boys love to watch video games be played. Now.
They would say, this is how you learn how to
do things on the games because these guys are super skilled,
whether it's at playing Madden FIFA or Roadblocks and Fortnite
and all these different things. And I asked my boys
about that, and they said, well, Dad, you watch a
(32:49):
lot of sports, and that's just other people playing sports.
Why is it weird to watch people play video games?
And I was like, you know, so interesting argument you
and ieneration we didn't have the ability to watch other
people play video games. This is actually an outgrowth. The
thing that was crazy to me that they would watch
is other kids opening presence. But this is clearly this
(33:10):
is their generation.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
The hard left of gen Z. This is kind of
where they're on Discord and this Twitch thing, and they
have people that are have become very prominent with large
followings who are really bad dudes, and they're in this
part of the internet, like Clay and I've never been
on Twitch. I've never been on Discord, I you know,
(33:32):
and I barely have ever heard the same for me,
I've ever used Reddit. I've had to come up and search.
But these other things, this is this is a place
where radicalism of the left is thrive, is thriving on
the Internet. And that's really what I think is.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Reddit is maybe the furthest left wing of all of
the social media sites on the Internet. And you might say, well,
why do I care? Reddit is one of the top
sources now for AI information. That sounds scary, but if
you're worried about what the algorithm is going to spin out,
an algorithm is only as good, and AI is only
(34:05):
as good as the information that is inputed and Reddit
is a toxic place when it comes to left wing
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and also some updates on the investigation where it stands
into the Charlie Kirk assassination, and we'll take some talkbacks
and what else we got Clay, Oh, in Memphis, the
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Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, the crime card down in Memphis. I love this move.
We'll talk about that and more
Welcomit, everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show, coming to you live from ny See.
You're here in New York City. Clay has quite about
this afternoon. Indeed, if mister Stephen A Smith, they are
going to be having a debate, and as we know,
(00:20):
we will not step back from debates these days.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We will not.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
In any way, in any way seed the fields to
the other side, although I think you guys are going
to have a pretty cordial but feisty exchange. But we've
got a lot of news to dive into here, and
we've got updates. Well. First of all, Trump is leaving
for the UK, so we've got some sound from the
President himself on a whole range of things Ukraine, talking
(00:50):
about Pam Bondy, a deal on TikTok, which I am
excited about. I have been the only I'm going to
say this, I'm the only consistent conservative I think on
TikTok the last few years where I'm just like, I
like it. We shouldn't get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Everybody likes it. Now all of a sudden, it's fine,
Trump likes it. Everybody likes it because there's ways to
make it not now. I know you were saying all along, well,
as long as it's not a Chinese controlled spying operation,
then you like it too. But I've just been waiting
for this moment when there's a deal on TikTok. It
looks like there is. Trump also spoke on Gaza JD
(01:25):
Vance with some incredibly powerful comments about the people calling
for unity right now with the radical left. I think JD.
He was guest hosting Charlie Kirks Show yesterday. I think
JD absolutely nailed it. He's a very impressive guy, a
very eloquent speaker in his own right. And so we'll
(01:47):
get to that more on the Memphis crime crackdown that
may be coming, and then perhaps Clay because we're in
New York City. The New York City mayor race, which
I'm sad for our New York City based staff because
it is my belief that the mayor is going to
be Mom Dannie and it is almost a sure thing
at this point, which is pretty stunning, pretty outrageous. But
(02:11):
let's dive into a few things here. You know, I
actually want to start with this. So this is kind
of a longer clip because I wanted you to hear
the whole thing. But jd Vance when he was guest
hosting the Charlie Kirk program yesterday, jd Vance talking about
this because here's what I think is very frustrating for me,
for you, Clay, for a lot of people. Right now.
(02:33):
You had Charlie who was doing debate, discussion, created a
marketplace of ideas, a forum for ideas, and he was assassinated.
And now you have all these people who are saying, well,
we just need a marketplace of ideas or you know,
we just need to tone things down and get into exchange. Well,
(02:54):
hold on a second, we were doing that. It's the
other side that was not doing that is not willing
to do it. Even still, here is jd Vance. This
has cut nine with something I just think you all
really need to hear.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
There is no unity with people who scream at children
over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone
who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to
excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who
harasses an innocent family the day after the father of
that family lost a dear friend.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie
Kirk's assassination, and there is no unity with the people
who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these
terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband
and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he
spoke words with which they disagree. Did you know that
(03:49):
the George Soros Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation,
the groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death?
Do you know they benefit from generous treatment? They are
literally subsidized by you and me, the American taxpayer.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And how do they reward us by setting fire to
the house built by the American family over two hundred
and fifty years. I'm desperate for our country to be
united in condemnation of the actions and the ideas that
killed my friend. I want it so badly that I
will tell you a difficult truth. We can only have
it with people who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable
(04:30):
and when we work to dismantle the institutions that promote
violence and terrorism in our own country.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I think Clay he absolutely nails it, but also that
both sides ism has switched from both sides to political
violence to both sides need to calm down and look
for a unity. No, it's this both sides thing is
not going to fly.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I just can't get past the fact that we have
an entire base of the left wing that has celebrated
this assassination. There's always going to be crazy people, There's
always going to be lunatics. But the idea that huge
(05:14):
portions of the Democrat base have taken to social media
have exalted across the entire internet in this assassination I
mentioned last week. I bet almost every single one of
you has someone in your larger friend or family network
(05:34):
who if you go on Facebook, you have seen somebody
and kind of been in disbelief that it could be happening.
And that's the part Buck that I can't get over,
that I can't get pasted, and frankly, that I think
is the most indefensible aspect of this at all. And
I just, I mean, just play along with me on this.
(05:57):
In this world, if Barack Obama had had an year
clipped by a bullet fired by a would be assassin,
if a month later somebody else had tried to kill him,
and then in the same roughly year period fourteen months,
the one of the top advocates for Barack Obama had
been assassinated at a free speech event. Is there any
(06:18):
way at all that the left would be saying, Hey,
we need for everybody to tone down the political violence.
And then you toss in all of the Blue Sky celebrations,
all of the Twitter celebrations. They are banning people on
Reddit for condemning the assassination. Let me repeat that, on
(06:38):
some of these forums that are moderated on Reddit, they
are actually banning posters who are condemning the assassination. Remember
what happened after January sixth. They wouldn't let Trump have
an Etsy account or have a What's the Thing where
they do like the poster boards and Pinterest. They would
They banned him on every every social media platform. They
(07:02):
shut him down on Twitter, on Facebook, on all the Instagram,
all the big ones. Many of you out there they
restricted as well. I don't believe in free speech restrictions,
but just look at how the left responded to jan
six condemning wholeheartedly huge swaths of America as violent extremists.
And now after they engage in violent extremism, the topic is, oh,
(07:28):
we got to tone down the violence. Well, actually, why
don't you address your own house and the fact that
this is the logical consequence of calling a man Hitler
and all of his supporters Nazis. For a decade, this
guy wrote anti Nazi slogans, anti fascist slogans, pro trans
slogans on the bullets that he used to kill Charlie Kirk,
(07:50):
the casings. I'm sorry, I'm not willing to say we
have a mutuality of violence issues here. The left is
uniquely right now violent and driven by the rhetoric of
the Democrat Party. No one out there is calling mom
Donnie Hitler. Nobody is calling Chuck Schumer or Kamala Harris
(08:13):
or any of the leaders of the Democrat Party morons. Yes,
bad faith arguers, Yes, but that is focused on what
they're saying, not them as individuals. When you say that
someone is a violent extremist threat, you can't then say,
but we condemn the acts that are done to undertake
to try to remove a violent extremist. This is this
(08:33):
is just bs.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah. Well, they've been making the case, the Democrats have
been making the case for years now that Trump, trump Ism,
MAGA are clear and present danger to the republic, are
the end of democracy? The you know, the jokes that
are made about Trump twenty twenty eight, they take very
seriously and they completely lose their minds over it. And
(08:54):
I think that finally, what we've seen is, you know,
people refer to normies, you know, people who aren't really
that involved in politics day to day. They with the
response to what happened to our friend, to the assassination
of our friend Charlie Kirk. They are seeing this and
coming away with the conclusion, you know, if you're a
(09:14):
fair minded person, you're just observing there's something really wrong
with the left in this country, and the Democrat Party
is the vessel of the left. The left really controls it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
After Trump was nearly killed, we came on this show
and we said, is the left going to dial down
the rhetoric in the temperature, And within a couple of
months the answer was no. They were right back to
Trump is hitler, Trump is a fascist. Democracy is going
to end if Trump is elected president. There's not going
to be an election in twenty twenty sixth. There's not
going to be an election in twenty twenty eight. They
(09:46):
went right back to the same arguments they were making
that I believe motivated the assassination attempts. My concern is
now that Charlie Kirk has actually been assassinated. Instead of
dialing the temperature down, I think the temperature has gotten
escalated even more.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Are people there are streamers, you know, there's this whole
world of Internet activity that quite honestly is like people
thirty in below that even you and I who are
Internet native in the sense that we both started like
I started doing digital radio before I was even doing
terrestrial radio, right, and then I work for a website
(10:21):
and you started a website, and.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We understand the Internet. We're not old guys that are like,
what's the dot com thing?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Right exactly? You know, We're not running around with our
Aol emails just kidding some of you.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I know of it.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Again, my mom has an Aol email. Don't worry. They're
still cool. But the there are corners of the Internet
discord Reddit that have become clearly centers of left wing
radicalization on some of these issues, where people are encouraging
each other and sharing certain things. And it's just interesting
(10:52):
to me as well, Clay, that during the Biden administration,
we recall there was the disinformation Czar positions try that
they and that they used Nina Jankowitz. Was that her name, yeah, yeah,
Soviet Mary Poppins, Yeah, I remember, Yeah, the efforts to
shut down disfavored speech. You mentioned what they did to Trump.
(11:12):
I mean they did this to an actual president. They
kicked him off of Stey.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He was in office, they would not allow him to communicate.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So I also think that there is a there's not
really a willingness to have rules in place for how
our side conducts itself to try to get accountability that
will always just be used against it. I'm reminded of
the quote from Children of Dune, which is not the
original Dune, but it's one of the follow ons. I
(11:40):
think it's Frank Herbert. It's when I am weak, I
demand freedom because it is according to your rules. When
I am strong, I demand obedience because it is according
to my rules. That's roughly the quote, and that's really
the way that the Democrats operate with all this stuff.
It's when they can get away with it, they censor,
they shut you down, they do all of this. But
(12:00):
when they've reached a point where they've gone way too
far and clearly there's a problem, they start saying, oh,
it's on all sides, and we need to just turn
down the temperature. And oh my gosh, you're censoring people.
I mean censoring people here, JD. This is fourteen. JD
went straight up said people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder should
(12:20):
have their employers called. So this is from the vice
president of play ten America.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Deserved nine to eleven. Dude, what.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them
out in hell, call their employer. We don't believe in
political violence, but we do believe in civility, and there
was no civility in the celebration of political assassination.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Anyway. So yeah, the reality here is the employers being
called Clay Democrats were fine with people being fired for
hand gestures that meant nothing. Macrets were fine, like, we've
gone through all of this and basically, now that they
don't have the power, Now that they don't have the
(13:08):
the power to do what they want to do anymore,
there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think again, we'll get into this, but they're panicked
a little bit because they recognize the ones that are
intelligent enough that they have a toxic, violent culture on
the left that they have created and they're trying to
still argue that this assassin was motivated by right wing politics,
(13:32):
and in fact it's working. We should get into this.
There's pulling out there that suggests again, you guys know,
because we try to be honest with you and share
the full scope of stories, you understand what all the
data reflects, what all the evidence is marshaled that this
was a crazy left winger. A lot of Democrats actually
believe that this was a Republican that assassinated Charlie Kirk.
(13:55):
Their lies actually have cogency and success. We'll dive into
that a little bit here in a minute. But it
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hundred innocent Israelis, took two hundred and fifty hostages. Today
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(14:15):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Cash Betel
is on Capitol Hill testifying right now, and things just
got very spicy between he and Cory Booker, Senator from
New Jersey. This is what that sounded like. Play cut
thirty six.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
If you want to work on bringing this country, it's
my time, not yours, My god, my god.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
If you want to talk about this country, it is you.
On your social media post, this.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Is my time, country.
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Time. You're time over this committee, sir, You don't tell
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time is. You can't lecture me, you can tell me.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I am mister chairman, afraid of you feisty.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Look, Corey Booker has decided that his uh, he is
running by the way again one hundred. He's gonna get
at least three or four percent of the vote this
time too. Let me just tell Corey Booker, you have
a zero percent chance of ever being elected president of
the United States. I think there's.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Somebody if you had to run, if you had to
run a campaign, Kamala or Corey Booker in twenty eight,
which one would you pick?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I think Kamala is actually a better out.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You're a Mattory book You're devotion to Kamala. This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Corey Booker is angry and uh, that is what he
has decided. His brand is angry Senator. He's always outraged.
He's always yelling and screaming every Booker. Yeah, have you
not seen him on all the like he's been throwing
the history onic fits. He did the long debate, like
set a record on the Senate floor to me, what
(16:51):
just we just played with? Cash? Is Corey Booker's brand.
He's decided I think it's calculated decision. He's decided that
the best way to distinguish himself, and you're right, he
is running for president is to be the forceful opposition
to Trump. I think that's what he sees his lane as.
The problem is, when you're the forceful opposition to Trump,
(17:13):
you have to line up against a lot of things
that make sense.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And I feel like Democrats won't know what to do
with themselves when they wake up and they realize that
they're not running against Trump the next time. So they've
they've created this whole branding around how they want to
oppose Trump. No, he's been He's gonna end up being
president for eight years. Yeah one, you couldn't stop him,
So they're going to have to figure something else out
(17:36):
at some point.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
This is about raising money and elevating yourself as a candidate.
I've said this, and it's going to be one of
the most stunning things to watch come twenty twenty seven.
As soon as the midterms are over, the pivot is
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He is leaving for the United Kingdom. He spoke about
(19:02):
a whole range of issues. Wanted to bring you up
to speed on that. Also, we've got some updates from
FBI Director Patel. He's been making the rounds on Fox
News talking about the status of the investigation. But first
up here we have We've got a whole range of
Trump stuff. I'll start here with Pam Bondi. Now, Pam
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Bondi has gotten a little bit of pushback from people
even on the right over some comments that she made.
Do we have a team? Do we have that where
she says we're going to go after hate speech? This
got she was on the Steven Miller's wife's podcast, Katie Katie,
Thank You, and it was on that podcast. Yeah, we
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have that here, play play what she said on the podcast.
There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there
is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to
Charlie in our society.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Do you see more law enforcement going after the these
groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people,
so we show them that some action is better than
no action. We will absolutely target you, go after you
if you are targeting anyone with hate speech anything, And
that's across the aisle.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
She means incitement to violence, which is a very specific thing.
I hope hate speech. There's not a hate speech exception
to the First Amendment. Now, this is where everyone seems
to get clay in this discussion. Not everyone, but people
seem to get maybe sometimes intentionally confused, or they conflate things.
(20:43):
It is one thing to say that you publicly state
something and your employer chooses to look you or I, yes,
we can't. We're here on the radio. There are things
we cannot say on the radio. There are words, for example,
we could not say without repercussions. We would get in
trouble because of the FCC. That's right, So we accept
that as part of because this is a time and
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place restriction on our speech. But also when you're working
for a private employer, especially for an at will employee,
they can decide that you reflect poorly on them as
an employee and they can fire you. That is a
different thing. Then the government is going to go after
you and lock you up because you said things that
are very very mean or very very gross. Talking about
(21:26):
the hate speech thing, remember the left says that hate
speech is using the wrong pronouns for trends individuals, right,
So if we're going to get into this, we can't
even define, or rather, there is no working definition of
hate speech. It's just whatever the people in power don't like.
So I'm a little surprised that the AG said this.
I think that she I'm not actually even sure what
she thought she was saying with this. I'm confused by
(21:48):
where she's going with.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It, what we don't need. So when you take a
step back and hit it two different ways, One, Europe
has hate speech codes that they're trying to apply. Now
that's how you end up when a comedian gets off
an airplane flight in London having five police officers to
wait for him. If you remember that story, which wasn't
(22:10):
very long ago, that a British comedian was accused of
hate speech for addressing trans related issues, and we have
seen sixty minutes went into Germany with their cameras and
followed as people were arrested for things that they posted
on social media, which I believe were clearly political speech.
(22:31):
So I think she's wrong here. Two, and this is
where I'm not I'm not happy with this. It is
natural to respond emotionally to awful things. It is one
hundred percent natural. Anybody who listened to this show last
week knows that we were strongly and deeply emotionally impacted
by what happened to Charlie. But the Attorney General of
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the United States cannot be in a position where he
or she is responding emotionally when it comes to putting
in place the principles of the law under which we
are all living. And so I'm disappointed by the way
that the Attorney General of the United States spoke here
now to your point, if she were inarticulately attempting to address,
(23:15):
which is again she's a lawyer, she should be more
articulate on this. If she were attempting to say, there
is a difference between call to action for violence incitement,
as you said, and political speech. That is true, you
can't go on and say to you or me or
we couldn't say this on the show. Hey, I disagree
with this political opinion, and you should kill that guy
(23:38):
for saying it. That's not protected speech. Death threats are
not protected speech. There is criminal element that moves towards incitement.
And if she's trying to address that, she inarticulately did it.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And I think that's what I'm leaning towards. I think
that's what she was her intent was, So she has
to know that conservatives we've been trying to get rid
of the right has been trying to get rid of
hate speech os and for example, the fact that there
have been people arrested for putting skid marks on a
correct Pride flag on the road on the road. No,
(24:16):
that's insane, Okay, you can't. You can't do that, or
that people would get arrested for burning like the trans flag.
You know, this is a discussion we had, we had recently,
so I think she was just saying something else, but
it didn't really come out very well. But Trump spoke.
This is what was making me think of this. Trump
spoke about it. This has cut four and also about
Cash Bettel. So let's hear what the president has to say.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
First of all, I think that Pam Bondi has done
an unbelievable job and everybody agrees with that. And Cash,
you know, if you look at take a look at
what he did with respect to this horrible person that
he just captured. He did it in two days. It
took other similar cases four days, five days, four years.
If you look at certain shooters. Now, I have confidence
(25:01):
that everybody in the administration, my administration, and a lot
of people are saying it, that's just me. It's so
far the best administration ever formed.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So the people who are saying that Patel is about
to director Patel is about to get the boot, including
I think Corey Booker said that he said Trump's gonna
leave you high and dry, or He's going to, you know,
kick you to the curve, something like that. Trump is
standing with his people and not backing down at all.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I think a lot of that criticism came out because,
to be fair, Cash tried to be overly informative on
social media about the people who were being taken into custody.
And there were two people, if I remember correctly, Buck
that were taken into custody that at least the way
that it was released was hey, we think we have
(25:48):
the shooter, and neither of those individuals were in fact
the shooter, and both were released. Now obviously they have
the shooter in custody. I think if Cash Patel could
go back, he would say, Hey, I wish I'd been
a little bit slower in the way that I posted
about some of these arrests. But I think his goal
was as the FBI director, to over communicate with people
(26:11):
so it didn't look like we were hiding the ball
or to allow conspiracies to take root, and so I
think that was the intent.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I can also point to previous instances where the FBI
was delaying and it looked like delaying so that they
could politicize. It looked like they weren't releasing I'm not
talking about under this Trump administration, but you can go
back and think about, for example of Clay. I don't
(26:38):
know if you remember the Pulse nightclub shooting under the
I think it was the Obama administration.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
This is going back quite a way.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Is the FBI released a transcript that the shooter who
had called in because he wanted everyone to know, and
he was saying things like I'm doing this for Allah,
I'm doing this for isis like very straightforward. The FBI
unilaterally decided to block stuff black stuff in the transcript,
and it was it was preposterous because we all could
play the fill in the blank game. We knew what
(27:04):
he was saying, right, we understood what was going on.
And there have been other cases as well where I
think the FBI was very Look, I'm the one that
I'm sure a lot of a lot of you listening
are screaming about, is all the Russia collusion stuff instead
of being transparent and letting people know when they knew
or you know. The problem with that was they were
all I mean not they were all, but the FBI
(27:24):
was in on that whole scam. So there was just
a lack of faith. So I think the efforts at transparency,
putting information out sooner, that comes from a good place
for director Patel. But there were some missteps, perhaps in
the way the information was shared, because for example, we
all thought that they had the guy in custody and
they didn't, and that that probably shouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Also, I think he's seeing all of the lies that
are being spread on the left about the motivations of
this shooter. Maybe at the top of the next hour
we'll dive into some more of this. There is, i believe,
right now, a calculated attempt on the left in this
country because they recognize that normal people out there are saying,
(28:08):
wait a minute, there's a lot of people celebrating this murder,
and there is a lot of left wing violence in
the wake of the shooting at the Nashville school and
the wake of the shooting at the Minneapolis school. And
you can be a left wing malcatin, but his motivations
this shooter appears to have clearly been fueled by left
(28:32):
wing attacks on Charlie Kirk, on Donald Trump, on people
like you and me as Hitler and Nazis and fascists
and all of these things. And so I think they're
trying to intentionally confuse people as to where these motivations
are coming from. So I think the goal of Cash
Bettel and Dan Bongino is to try to get the
truth out.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well that's I mean, that's absolutely what's going on. There's
an intentional effort by the media so that they can
avoid the idea iological accountability of because remember they were
they have been saying stuff CNN, The New York Times,
Washington Post, you know, the biggest Democrat aligned media outlets.
We don't really get cinteresson. We used to call them
mainstream media. We got rid of that because why do
(29:14):
we say their mainstream right, And then it was legacy media,
but that felt a little too exalted for them. We
don't have really a good term for I don't know,
maybe lib media. My point though is they have been
saying stuff Clay for years that if somebody really believed
the the gap between reading this stuff and thinking that
(29:36):
you need to take imminent action is far too small.
If somebody says that the president is a Nazi, the
White House is full of white supremacists, there's not going
to be another election, and they're going to be marching,
you know, they're going to be marching you off into
you know, some kind of camps because you're a Democrat.
Whatever the crazy stuff that they say, fascism, They use
the term fascism all the time. The people that say that,
(29:59):
by the way, I think, just have very little understanding
of what a fascistic society is like. One thing that's
not true in fascism is you get more famous and
more money in the media if you are bashing the
regime all the time, and that it's like a good
at least it was previously for them, a good strategy.
But I think that they the mains. This is the
big the big difference when they do the both sides
(30:19):
is thing the mainstream thinking among the Democrat Party when
it comes to Trump, Maga all of it is extreme
and delusional. And you can say on the right there
are people who have said nasty things here or there,
but they are fringe. They do not have they do
(30:40):
not have power. They are not you know in the UH.
You know, this the center of the decision making of
the conservative or the right wing movement in this country.
And that's where there's just an there's just a hugely
obvious difference, and we won't. I was talking to Clay like,
do we want to play these guys? Are not there?
These left wing streamers on Discord. So just so I'm
(31:01):
understand this, and now Discord is where he was having
the shooters Discord. Discord is a chat room, but it
goes simultaneously to video game playings. So my understanding, because
my boys are active is Discord. You can create group chats,
and the group chats on Discord are basically private message
(31:22):
boards that can be very large, or you could create
a Discord group chat for say your family and friends,
where everybody can communicate. My understanding is that he was
active in trans related Discord group chats, which some of
which can be very substantial in scope. What is different is,
(31:43):
again this is me trying to dive into the Internet
here and explain differences. Reddit is basically an online message
board where everybody can see what is posted, and there
are all these different like this is like a private
I think, I think I might be thinking of it.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Twitch, Yeah, you're thinking of Twitch, which is a video
streaming service that largely is featuring people playing video games.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
So people watch. This is amazing because I actually, during
co I admit this, I started playing some video games.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Again.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I kind of like Call of Duty. I like, but
the idea that I would sit there and watch somebody
else play video games is It's just that makes no
sense to me at all.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
But this is a big Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The communities that do this are huge online.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
My boys love to watch video games be played. Now.
They would say, this is how you learn how to
do things on the games because these guys are super skilled,
whether it's at playing Madden FIFA or Roadblocks and Fortnite
and all these different things. And I asked my boys
about that, and they said, well, Dad, you watch a
(32:49):
lot of sports, and that's just other people playing sports.
Why is it weird to watch people play video games?
And I was like, you know, so interesting argument you
and ieneration we didn't have the ability to watch other
people play video games. This is actually an outgrowth. The
thing that was crazy to me that they would watch
is other kids opening presence. But this is clearly this
(33:10):
is their generation.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
The hard left of gen Z. This is kind of
where they're on Discord and this Twitch thing, and they
have people that are have become very prominent with large
followings who are really bad dudes, and they're in this
part of the internet, like Clay and I've never been
on Twitch. I've never been on Discord, I you know,
(33:32):
and I barely have ever heard the same for me,
I've ever used Reddit. I've had to come up and search.
But these other things, this is this is a place
where radicalism of the left is thrive, is thriving on
the Internet. And that's really what I think is.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Reddit is maybe the furthest left wing of all of
the social media sites on the Internet. And you might say, well,
why do I care? Reddit is one of the top
sources now for AI information. That sounds scary, but if
you're worried about what the algorithm is going to spin out,
an algorithm is only as good, and AI is only
(34:05):
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is a toxic place when it comes to left wing
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