The "Pathocracy" Exposed: The Elite’s Secret Plan To Radicalize & Destroy Young Men | EM Burlingame | Ep. 56

In this powerful episode of The David Rutherford Show, Rut welcomes back writer and thinker EM Burlingame to unpack the shocking implications of Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Together they explore why Kirk’s moderation was such a threat, how elites radicalize young men to serve their agendas, and what it means to live under a pathocracy—a system dominated by disordered personalities.

Topics include:

• Why Charlie Kirk had to be silenced.

• The cycle of demoralizing and radicalizing young men.

• How cluster B personalities dominate politics, finance, and media.

• The global strategy of the financial elite.

• The coming battle over America’s land and wealth.

• What we must do to reclaim our communities.

This is not just political commentary—it’s a roadmap to understanding the deeper pathology behind our institutions and the urgent call to mentor and protect the next generation.

Timestamps:

00:00 - Charlie Kirk & Why Young Men Are Being Targeted

10:45 - The “Pathocracy” Explained

30:17 - The Elites’ next step: destroy the men so they can steal the Boomers’ wealth

49:24 - Ideologies vs Pathologies

52:52 - Our only hope for fighting back

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
In light of the tragedy that has recently taken place
and the loss of one of the most notable people
in the entire conservative movement around the world, Charlie Kirk's assassination,
I felt compelled to bring somebody that I have profound
respect for, who I thought might be able to give

(00:23):
us a deeper insight or understanding of the pathologies that
are driving these types of actions. So I reached out
to have him on the show again. Mister E. M.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Burlingame, Welcome to the David Rutherford Show.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Sir, Sorry, it's under these conditions.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I I you know, as if anybody is, if you're listening,
what I highly recommend as you go follow em get
on his mailing lists. He's been writing just some incre
incredible articles, including this morning he put out a real
powerful reflection on Charlie's deaths. And would you just talk

(01:10):
a little bit about what you put out in terms
of the required and continued influence on young American men.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, this was no accident. This was highly, highly thought
out and I don't mean the action itself, but Charlie
taking out Charlie in order to bring about whatever, you know,
whatever resentful's ideological faction comes to dominate. It doesn't matter.

(01:42):
In order for them to dominate and win the United
States and thereby you know, have a weapon against the
rest of the world. Again, still, they have to take
the only real asset and high ground, and that's our
young men because there are no other assets. Nothing has
any value without young men who are willing to stand

(02:03):
and fight for it.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Period.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
The land doesn't have value with the assets of the land,
no banks, no built up, all this, all this stuff
you know down underneath is dependent on young men and
men our age still right, who will who have to lead,
But it's dependent on men who are tied to the land,
tied to the people, tied to the assets and civilization society,

(02:31):
who will stand and fight for it. Without that there
nothing has any value.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
So I agree wholeheartedly.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And this is something that when you know, when Jordi
and i uh first started and launched the show, our
our main target audience, what we wanted was those young men, right,
because you know, our generation we we have we went
and we fought you know, our our war and the
g WATT and you know, you can say a lot
of us are kind of you know sitting in preparation

(03:03):
for what we know is coming. But these young people have,
you know, so many aspects of their what their their
belief system is built around, has been you know, part
of this consortium of manipulation to try and really get
them to stop believing in the fact that they are

(03:26):
the asset they are what makes the land valuable. Yes,
can you talk a little bit about some of your
how you interpret what attacks have taken place against them
over the last twenty years, and and then you know,
kind of lead into how Charlie Kirk and taking him

(03:46):
out is so pitoble pivotal as a result of what
has emerged from his influence, Sean Ryan's Christian influence and
other you know, other g wyt or other people that
are really professing this.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
This new it's not new.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I maybe you could help me understand the best way
to describe what it is.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
So there's a cycle, there's a pattern, right, and we're
watching this pattern play out in Ukraine right now at
the death of almost two million Ukrainian young men in
three years as opposed to about one hundred and forty
one hundred and fifty thousand Russians, which is still a
serious number larger than all the death's American deaths since

(04:28):
World War Two, so not inconsiderable.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
What do they do.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
They demoralize the young men. They impoverished the young men.
And this started. You know, I'm fifty eight years old now,
this messaging was already happening in school. Toxic masculinity, and
you know, men were abusers, and all of this stuff
was happening in school when I was young. You know,
white guilt and male guilt and all that was already
started in the early seventies when I started school. You

(04:59):
do moralize the men. You impoverish and demoralize the men.
And what does that do. It separates them from loyalty
and connection to the land and the peoples of the land,
and the culture right of the peoples of the land.
It ensures that they have nothing to live for, nothing
to fight for. And then you feed this you know

(05:23):
what we call Marxists now over the last century and
a half, but this isn't a much older. You know,
you go after morals and value and honor and duty
and beauty and all the things that you know motivate
young men to build something, be something, to develop themselves,
and you attack them all the time, and you find

(05:45):
ways to socioeconomically and culturally promote ugliness and insanity and
people who don't earn a damn thing but somehow become wealthy.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
And it's hold done on.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
But at some point your intent is to, you know,
over that times, convert enough of them to come over
to your side and just burn it all down. At
some point, that's not because young men, most young men
do have thousands, hundreds of thousands, not millions, of years
of genetic programming in them to defend, to protect their

(06:23):
own and so at some point you know that's going
to overcome the you know, recruiting to your malevolent side,
and so you know at some point you're going to
have to radicalize them with disgust and purity so that
they will go out and burn the world to the
ground and die in great numbers. This is what happened

(06:44):
to the Germans. We did not defeat the Nazis the
National Socialists. We defeated the Germans at the cost of
five to seven million of their men. Right so it's
the same thing again happening in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Ukraine is being wiped out because all the men are
being killed in this purity, you know, this disgusted and
purity fight against the Russians. Never mind, it's a civil
war because of the same peoples.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
So the reason they had to kill Charlie Kirk is
because they're getting ready. And James Lindsay's talking about this
and I brought it to his attention five years ago. Actually,
where they have to go now is they've got They've
gone as far as they can possibly go with the
Marxist degenerate, you know, insanity stuff, and now they're ready

(07:34):
to flip the switch to disgust and purity, to radicalize
our young men, get them f no nationalists. It won't
start that way. First, it'll go after the trans right,
et cetera, and then it'll getth no nationalists if it
goes that way, well, the reason they had to kill
Charlie Kirk is because Charlie Kirk, no matter what they
threw it in, was calm, logical, rational, and called for

(07:56):
moderation in thought, in emotion, in act, et cetera. They
had to kill the moderate before they radicalize, and they
had to do it publicly. That's one side of it.
The second piece of it is that you know this
from our other world, right, it's called confidence targets, right,

(08:20):
And so they had to give the radicals, the Marxists,
the degenerates, you know, the ones that they want. So
what are they going to do now? They're going to
switch young men, all these demoralizes and impoverish young men,
wrathful young men in cell forced you know, young men,
and they're going to drive him into disgust impurity to

(08:40):
go kill the trans the LGBTs, the violent right, you know.
So they're going to drive him into this place where
they do what they take out the foot soldiers that
have been used over the last forty years. So what
you do in a certain late stage insurgency, you take
out your foot soldiers because you don't want them around
to continue to be an insurgency. Again, it's you because

(09:01):
they are actually technically insane, right. The ideologies didn't create
the insanity. They were attracted to the ideology that matches
their insanity.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Right, So that's why they had to take out Charlie
Kirk is because the movement and you can see it
and can see Nazi stuff, literal Nazi stuff poking popping up.
We're seeing the white Pride stuff pop up there's not
all of it's wrong. Some of it's right stuff, and
maybe not so much of the Nazi stuff. But you know,
you know, loving your own people, there's nothing wrong with that, right.

(09:34):
But you're watching probably ten billion dollars a month being
put into this subtle information campaign. It's what the rape
bans are about. It's what the crime, you know, the
releasing the criminals is all about. It's about getting the
young men into a rat, into a place where they
can trigger disgust. And Trans is the primary one. We

(09:57):
have deep wiring against TRANS. It's deeply deeply wired into us,
you know, to defend our tribe, our community against the threat,
that kind of insanity threat, violent threat. They're now ready
to flip the switch. And they had to get rid
of Charlie Kirk and they had to give the courage

(10:20):
and confidence to the TRANS and the criminals and the
BLMS and everybody else that you're protected, you're good, it's
weapons free.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
So they had they're setting the stage for the battlefield. Yes.
And the battlefield, as you so articulate, is the battlefield
for the mind.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yes. And so what I'd like to do now is
you wrote.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
This beautiful, beautiful piece Yesterday's on September tenth, and which
was pretty remarkable timing that you wrote this piece the
day that this happened. And it's called the pathocracy that
owns us how personality disorders are now the Anglo world.

(11:11):
And I just want to read one little paragraph from
this to introduce the concept and then hopefully you can
expand on it and really take us through step by
step on what you're describing, because I really think this
will make sense to people in the grander context, because

(11:31):
last time you came on, we had you talk about
the financialists and their kill chain methodology, how they collapse
certain cultures or civilizations to continue pilfering the system and
almost like a host just moves from one opportunistic culture
society at a time. And I got a lot of
great feedback from that. I mean, people were really like, WHOA,

(11:53):
we didn't we haven't heard of it like this. You
know there's the you know, oh, the Rothchilds are in
charge of it, you know, yeah, the directed I think
conspiratorial distractions. If you will then understanding the matrix of
this conspiracy, it's true intent. So let me just read

(12:15):
this to everybody. A pathocracies, a system of government where
individuals with personality disorders, particularly those in cluster B narcissistic,
anti social, borderline histrionic, gained decisive influence over total control
or total control. Their disordered perception of reality becomes the

(12:38):
operating system for the nation. This is our present condition.
Could you just describe the pathocracy and how the financialists
have utilized this and they're gaining control of the battlefield
of the young male mind right now.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah, government doesn't work without vast amounts of capital and
power relationships behind it. Government doesn't create those. Government only consumes, right,
doesn't create those. It can provide some protections and security
for it, but it has to feed on artificial you know,

(13:21):
artificial realities, artificial systems, artificial structures, et cetera. Because that's
what it is. It's artificial. The financialists put government out there,
you know, the big bankers. This isn't all bankers. It's
not all banks are bad, not all financial institutions are bad.
It's you know, like in all things, there are factions,
and there are some that are absolutely horrendous. Give me

(13:46):
a second. When a system is financialized, where everything is
you know, in a sense tokenized in some form of
a contract, and that is done without the willingness or
the participation of the citizens and the populace of that land.

(14:08):
You have to make sure that you have government at
every scale that's going to support and defend that as
it exercises the courts, the law, enforcement, the contract and
get you enforcement, resource allocation, tax based, all this complex stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Right, So.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
You have to ensure that the individuals who rise up
into major decision making points and policy writing places all
fall within cluster A, B or C personality disorders, because
if they don't, they're you know, because those peoples live

(14:52):
in an artificial reality where either they're all for the
steal and the malevolence or they believe that the world
out to get them and so government needs to do
what it needs to do. They're already in that space.
Whereas if you have non borderline personality disorder people they're
going to look at the government process or that judge's

(15:15):
ruling or that district attorney's action or that politician's bill,
and they're going to go, yeah, we're not going to
support this. This isn't right, this is against the people,
this is non this is unconstitutional right, And we're a
nested constitutional peoples at the federal level, and the state
states also have their constitution, and then depending on some

(15:36):
of the counties, they may have further right. So the
point is is that liberal democracy from its inception by
the Venetians, which were the old Roman Praetorians, liberal democracy
from its inception is a system of borderline personality disorders.

(15:59):
It was design specifically for and buy the well for
these people, for these types to pull cluster A, B
or C personality disorder types into the regime into government,
which is, you know, the shield on one side and
and the tool on the other side to pull them

(16:21):
in such that the financialists can unrestricted enslave and steal everything,
you know, and stelave everyone and steal everything, all with
the plausible deniability it's not us. Look at the government.
Look at that. Look what they're doing right right. So
the whole thing from it, liberal democracy from its inception

(16:43):
is is literally a system of how do you attract
in and incentivize and enrich and empower personality disorder peoples can.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Ahead, Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt you.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Can you go through uh those different clusters A, B
and C a little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Give me a second.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Let me draw it up here because my recall memory
isn't what it used to be. After a couple of
knocks on the school and are.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
What are one or two uh uh rocket ranges? Will
we'll have that effect.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
I've been banged about a bit. Yeah, okay, so you
got cluster A, B and C. Cluster B is the
dominant one. That's the one we see quite heavily in government, right.
And cluster B is a narcissistic personality disorder found in
most CEOs media figures.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Politicians exhibit balance grandiosity, craven admiration, and complete lack of empathy.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
They see the citizenry as an audience for performance, for
their performance as sources of a narcissistic supply. Their policies
aren't designed for public good but for personal aggrandizement and
the permit moreation of their ego.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
And that's what I love that line right there, just
waylaid me right. I mean that that is at the
permanent memorialization of their ego. Yeah. And it's and it's
that idea that somehow their actions are going to be relevant,
relevant for infinite terms, right, Yes, that they're leaving their

(18:23):
mark on history.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
It's why the politicians work so hard at doing these
big grandioise bills because maybe they might it might be
named after them, yeah right, or some law right right, right, Okay.
It's also why so many major corporations fail. It is
because you don't have a founder CEO anymore, and you

(18:46):
get one of these self agronizing people in there and
they run the company, you know, to to feed their
own ego, and that runs the company in the ground
because it turns out to run a company off ego.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Cracker barrel but target.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
I mean, the list is just it's so strikingly like
in your face, like there's no it's not like well maybe,
but like that it seems like that's completely gone now,
Like it's just it's so flagrant, these disorders, right.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, So, and I would, you know, sadly say this
about our own community. I you know, I went in
the army in the mid eighties, got out in the
early nineties. I went back in late two thousands to
go into special Forces, or tried to, and then fortunately
I was able to do so. And the difference in
leadership was so striking. We had a lot of these types,

(19:41):
as you know, pretty much every flag officer I met,
and sadly which really shocked me as an enlisted guy.
A lot of the senior enlisted guys, yeah, from n
you know, mostly the E nines and quote unquote E tens. Right,
it's and actually even some of these sevens, et cetera.
You know, in my day when I first came in
first a you know, a sergeant back in the day,

(20:03):
you know, decades ago, if one of your guys got
in trouble and you hadn't tried everything, all the programs
and all the counseling and everything else, you got in
trouble too. That's right, That's not what was happening when
I came back in in two thousands. The senior and
listened were just burning guys constantly, constantly, and the and
the officers were even worse, right, right, I We'll call

(20:25):
somebody out, But there was one go ahead, go ahead. No.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
I just remember after I had gotten out and I
was at Blackwater. I remember right after kind of the
transition from George Bush, you know, to Barack Obama, right,
there was a purge of junior officers with substantial combat
experience within the Special Operations Group, Like it was something
like five hundred plus junior officers, and they got rid

(20:53):
of them, they early retired them all, and I was
just like, well, that seems kind of dumb when we're
right in the middle of this thing, the g and
why would you purge all these people.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I watched it in greenboroughret as. I watched captains getting
passed over, you know, being told they were going to
get passed over. I watched majors get passed over, and
there was all the solid guys yep, And it didn't
matter what command was trying to do because in some,
you know, many cases, command was actually pretty good, but
they were getting passed over at the colonel level, lieutenant
colonel level, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
So also under Cluster b's anti social personality disorder, sociopathy
pervasive in finance, corporate leadership in the upper echelons of
the administrative state, right, including the military and law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I have friends that have been you know, lifetime law
enforcement guys, and it's like become just impossible even be
an officer anymore police officer, right, These individuals play a
profound disregard for the rights of others, which is also
a really bad thing. In law enforcement. Deceitfulness, impulsivity, and
a stunning lack of remorse. They can sanction policies that

(21:59):
lead to widespread poverty, violence, and death because they feel
nothing for their victims. They're the hitmen of the financialist class.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I love that statement too, right, because the financialists are
never going to do their own dirty work, right, And
and some of these other parts of the personality disorders, right,
you know, you need to have somebody that can act
without that remorse. And it's these sociopathic tendencies that they
recruit directly for.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Well, it's again back to the you know, our old units.
It's not like we don't recruit for it to certain that. Right.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I was on you know, I forget.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I was talking with somebody recently, and you know, they
asked me about that.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Do they recruit. I'm like, of course they do. That's
what they're looking for.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Not overall, Right, there's a certain yeah, so I want
to be careful tendencies. Yeah, tendency and a certain percentage
of well let's see if that guy's got it. Let's
see if he's sane enough that he can get through,
and then we got some other work for him. Somewhere
else usually right, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Right, okay.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
And then the final one under Cluster B is borderline
history ontic personality store. This is rampant and media HR departments,
which the military has just become one giant frickin HR department,
uh DEI offices, and lower level government rules. They rule
by emotion, drama and perpetual victimhood. Uh. Their decision making
is intensely unstable and unpredictable, driven by fear of abandonment

(23:28):
and a need for attention. They create crisis to feel
needed and enforced ideological conformity through emotional terrorism.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Right. I.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
You know what I always find interesting about this description
of of borderline personality disworded is the the common the
commonality of that, that concept of abandonment and how that
does it? Right, And it's the it's the social rejection, yes, right,
And so what do they do? They They bowld those
through the normal the normalities behavior, right, the reciprocal nature

(24:02):
of oh hey, i'll help you, you help me, will
help each other, common mission. They're just like, no, this
is about me. It's about me. It's about me.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I disagree with that a little bit, just the last part, Okay, yeah,
These are people who don't have innate talent. They have
no way to know their status in a hierarchy except
for in the hierarchy in the language and you know,
you know, by being super knowledgeable about the nuances of
some regulation or policy and then their interpretation from experience

(24:37):
of it. But these are people who don't contribute anything
so innately they don't know how they belong. Oh, that's
the abandonment. And we've seen people like this, you know,
in the military, even in special operations. Rare, not as
often in special operations, but sometimes it's because they don't
have an innate sense of belonging, because they don't naturally

(24:57):
contribute anything, and so they're constantly and so what they're
afraid of, go back, you know, go back just a
couple of hundred years in some places, right three four
hundred years. What they're worried about is if there's a
attack or there's a scarcity, they're gonna be the ones
put kicked out of the you know, out of the palace,
and they're gonna starve to death or they're gonna be
killed by the raiders. And this is really what's you know,

(25:19):
at the deep underlying, what's going on. So what do
they do. They become hyper knowledgeable about systems and structure
that and then they do somewhat to what you're saying,
function and waste, where they make sure they're indispensable.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Right, right, that's the what I typically affiliated to. It's
that that indispensable nature. It's that you know the congressional Uh,
you know that appropriation. Yeah, and they know that policy
inside and out right, and it's some it's just some antiquated,
regurgitated policy.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
That's like that knowledge is going to save you when
the barbarians are actually inside the gates, like going to
abandon your ass anyways.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
So that's it for cluster B right.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Cluster c is the anxiety anxious bureaucrats, right, the dependent
and avoidant personalities, and particularly it's the avoidant personalities, right, uh,
fill the sprawling bureaucracies. They're obedient clerks of the pathocracy,
too fearful to question authority or deviate from the scripts.
They follow orders not out of malice, but out of
a pathological need for security and a terror of conflict. Again,

(26:31):
just like above, you know, they are worried about when
their times are hard, they're not gonna you know, they're
not gonna be in the end group. They ensure the
machine functions smoothly, processing the paperwork for the destructure of
their own societies without a second thought.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Again, these are people that don't naturally These are the
lower level people that don't contribute anything other than you know,
their cog and the machine. I don't remember if you
ever see the movie Brazil.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, I love that movie. This is these people.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
That's right, right, that's right, yes, And you know it's
also in Hitchhiker's Guide in the Galaxy. But I think
he did it really really good demonstration of these types
in Brazil.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Right, And that is Terry Gillium, right, Terry Gillium.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah yeah, that's yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, so god, I
love him.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
What a brilliant what a brilliant brilliant yeah yeah yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Then finally his cluster as the ideological fanatics, the paranoid
and schizoid personalities. This gets back to the ideologies comment earlier. Right,
often drive the most extreme ideological movements. Uh. Their detachment
for reality and pervasive distrust makes them perfect revolutionaries. They
see existential threats everywhere and demand total ideological purity, fueling

(27:44):
the endless moral panics and which hunts the characterized modern institutions.
This is you know, there's a transgenocide going on.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
How the hell can we genocide of people that don't exist?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
That right?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
And then the same could be true now, Like you
were saying in the beginning that you know, now they're
gonna radicalize the fanatics through their own pathology on the
other side, through this idea of christian.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yea, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
And the unfortunate thing is that we do have to
burn it out.

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Speaker 2 (30:17):
This is what I wanted to get to.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
This is what it is like, because this is what
I think the core context of most of your writing
has has been not so delicately presenting as as the
probable outcome, right, and and that's the thing. It's like, Okay,
this is you know all by design for sure to

(30:42):
protect the next movement, the next evolution, iteration of whatever
this the next financialists uh framework is going to look like,
the kill chain is going to look like. So the
inevitability is there, right, And you you really did a
great job in you know, describing this in the United States,

(31:05):
Australia and the United Kingdom. Can you talk about that
a little bit and why it's so easily in your mind?
It's so it's so easily depicted with what's taking place
right now.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, so this gets back. You know, I just published
a book called This Our English Civilization.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I saw that.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Everybody go to Amazon and buy that today, please.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, it's a collection of essays. Most of the books
up pubsonally now are collections of essays that you know,
I'm not smart enough to think ahead. I've got to
write things as they come to me. Also, things are
happening so rapidly now, and there's so much uncertainty. It's
like anybody who's projecting ahead what's going to happen in
the future, even three years.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Out, is wrong. That's right.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
They might randomly be right about something, you know, But anyway,
So in English Civilization, going back to the real hard
roots of it in the eight hundreds, really started the
seven hundreds under expert off from the Great's grandfather. But

(32:11):
and even before that, you know who was one of
the greatest you know rulers in the English peoples, right
what would become the English people's Budica Richard bah Butica, right,
and what does she do? She she went to war
with Rome because they raped her daughters and I think
her too, right, killed her husband and well her husband died,

(32:33):
and then they were trying to steal the land, you know,
doing the financial skills chain stuff, because that's still who
the same people are that we're dealing with, right right
right in the Roman system. And so she went to war.
So point being is that, you know, and that was
four hundred years or five hundred years before the English
civilization was coded in the common law. Point being is

(32:56):
this in Germanic, you know, in the peoples from northern
and northwestern Europe. Because our growing seasons are so short
and because our winters are so harsh, we tend to
have less children, which makes everywhere and you know, we

(33:18):
still had higher, you know, high death rates from mother's
at childbirth, et cetera. So in our in our northern
and northwestern European cultures, our women have more value than
in other places of the world, even in southern and
central Europe.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Wow, and.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Over time, just because of statistics, because of the amount
of warfare, conflict, harshness, et cetera. Virtually all of our
power and assets passes down the matrilineal lines, mother to
daughter to daughter to daughter because the patral then no
father to sonlines die out after you know, or get
killed or or an avalanche or you know. Just because

(33:58):
of the nature of the environment in which we grew up,
the harsher you know, and our ancestors come from, so
we naturally our women have naturally had a higher role
in status in our societies as a part of that,
but not not specifically, We've also been a people that

(34:22):
have been a rule of law people, particularly the Scandinavians, because, uh,
when you live in harsh environments, even the slightest infraction
by some resentful or selfish you know, or crazy individual
can kill the whole the whole tribe that winter, or

(34:44):
could get them betrayed on some you know, in some
fight with some other enemy, and so you have to
have and at the same time you can't just go
and start killing people because you don't like them in
they're crazy, et cetera, because that causes the stability in
the you know, in the in the tribe, and so
we you know, and again because of the herd shortness

(35:04):
of our growing season, the harshness of our winters, the limitation,
you know, we've got to prepare for eight months for
four months, and basically being locked down historically, right. And
I actually lived about seventy five hundred feet up in
the Canadian Borer. I was a kid for about eight years.
I lived that way, and I want to tell you
I kind of miss it, honestly.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
My wife is from Maine, and she laughs at me
when we go up and in the winters to see
her family, you know, and she jokes at my floor
to blood and how weak I am, and you know,
she's you know, I remember when I first we first met.
I I tried to make my claim that you know,
going to school at Penn State was in the tundra,

(35:44):
and she says, nothing's colder than Maine, and I was
I was like, no, age she proved it to me.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
So I was like, oh, no, you're harder than I am.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
So that's the same with the you know what is
the only US knas US military base that issues artic here,
it's Fort Drum, That's right, because of the Yeah, so
point being is that we're a rule of law people,
you know, and that's so that if we do have
to do something harsh, you know, like kill somebody or

(36:14):
extra ostracize somebody, that we do it in accordance with
a set of laws and principles that the community adheres to.
As well. Our women again, because often the men were
off fighting somewhere or or off you know, gathering resources,
et cetera, even the non warrior warrior ones, our women

(36:36):
have had a much higher status in our societies. The
problem is is that when you know, starting in the
twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen hundreds, really in a fifteen sixteen
hundreds where you know, everything started to become easier and
we can move resources around with ships, and we were
able to get resources from other parts of the world.
You know, the absolute need for us to adhere to

(36:59):
these strictsystems and structures and the male female balance of power,
et cetera, all of that started to slip and go
away because the underlying reasons why that were were environmental
reasons were gone. Well what that did is it allowed
for and where did all this coalesce and really centralize

(37:19):
in the British Isles, Right in the English society civilization,
because half of the English culture is Dane. It's the
Dane law right, the same with Scots and et cetera.
Not to take away from the native peoples, but we're
a mixing of people's who was back thousands of years.
So the point is what it did is it makes us,

(37:41):
the English speaking people, specifically common law peoples specifically susceptible
to these personality disorder types infiltrating our systems and structures
and organizations. Why because historically when there was re source
shortages and there was this you know, losing a lot

(38:05):
of our women in childbirth and we're losing a lot
of our kids when they were young, we were pretty
harsh about these people like blood eagle, kind of harsh
sometimes right, and personally I think we need to bring
the blood eagle back. That would solve a lot of problems.
Just can you explain that to people who are blood Yeah,
the blood Eagle has went for the ultimate offence. In

(38:27):
Scandinavian society, culture. You flay the back, open it up
like wings. You lock their arms out, you flay their
skin off their back, You cut through, crack through the
ribs with a hatchet right of the axe, and then
you pull their lungs out and put them on top
of their shoulders and you let them die.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
You don't let them die while that's going on. You
let them die once they're all wide open. That's a
blood eagle. There's actually a pretty good depiction of it
on the show Vikings.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, yeah, right, and that that was that was a
common uh punishment throughout the Scandinavian peoples, right, It wasn't
just in centralized.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Wherever there were Scandinavian people, yeah, right, and some of
the Germanic because Northwest Germans are more we're all similar
ethnic peoples, right where the Scandinavian, Germanic Britannic you know
what would become the Britannic peoples, et cetera, which is
a mix of people's. So, but the blood eagle was
for the ultimate offense, right right, But boy, it left

(39:31):
the message right way more than your heads on pikes.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
You see someone in that capacity and you know and
that it goes back to like right now, I mean
I I had multiple people who viewed, you know, Charlie's
you know, just the shattering traumatic death, who had never
seen death right, and they'd never watched the videos. They

(39:56):
had never seen it a really you know, none of
the you know, the endless videos coming out of Ukraine
for the last several years or October seventh, or any
of these horrific realities that you can find, you know,
all over your feed. Now they hadn't seen it, and
now it's prominent. And you know, that high caliber you know,
round penetrating through his neck, and just the massive exanguination

(40:18):
that took place. It's it's people are like, it almost
looks fake. And and and in that statement alone, I
think is relative to what you're talking about, right, we
have lost the recognition of these are the these are
the outcomes when society devolves, right, the outcome will end
up being the blood Eagle as a as a retribution

(40:42):
for destroying the agreement the laws of the land that
keep order correct.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
So the so absolutely right, and why Dad's killed Charlie
Kirk because they wanted to go too far. Right, They
want us to go too far because that we die
in the millions like the Ukrainians are. That's either a
war or in a foreign war, which is what they
need because they need the young men off the land
so they can confiscate the land, the great taking. Right,

(41:12):
there's all kinds of people talking about this and the
last thing that they really need to steal, which is
why the Stable Going Act and all these other things
all cleverly done and letting private equity into four to
one K plans and tokenization of all this that is
attempt to steal the boomer's wealth, the largest collection of

(41:33):
wealth ever accumulated. Well, actually they tried to do that
the young men who should be inheriting that wealth and
young that's right.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah. I mean in my daily you know job, I
travel all across the country. I'm engaging with these financial advisors.
And what there are two fascinating components of this that
I that I often bring up and kind of sidebar
conversations is you have you know, the average age of

(42:04):
a financial advisor is like sixty one sixty two right now,
and they are escaping this profession in droves. I mean,
I think they see the writing on the wall, you know,
and so in the next five to ten years, there'll
be half as many advisors advising the younger generations on
how to protect their wealth. And then you also have

(42:26):
the greatest trans transference of wealth amongst generations in the
history of all peoples, to the tune of about thirty
six trillion dollars in wealth transfer, primarily in the United States.
That's going to take place, and there will be nobody
available to guide them to maintain and keep their wealth

(42:49):
in a specific spot. Right, And how are they doing that.
They're driving these people out of the industry by hyper regulation,
by making it more difficult, the log and track trility,
all the things like you can see it taking place,
it in real time, you know, And it's.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Just this is why the assassination now, this is why
the move to radicalize the young men now, because the
final theft of the boomer wealth is gonna have you know,
it's happening already, but it's not going to finalize for
another seven eight years. And you need three or four
years to get young men radicalized enough that they'll go
die in the millions fighting some you know, bullshit made

(43:29):
up enemy. Right now, they're going to fight a real
enemy first. They have to, right, you can't make you can,
you can false flag them into that fight, but the
fight is real and the enemy they're fighting is real.
But you're setting that up to get them all, you know, God,
king and country glory on duty so that then they'll
go fight some other big enemy that you tell them

(43:51):
you need, they need to, but they're just gonna die
in the millions in that fight for nothing that's right.
And then that locks in the steel. It's why it's
all happening now, right, So back to the you know,
just to finish with the pathocracy. We ohing steadily over
the last four hundred years, have had such luxury and

(44:14):
comfort increasingly that we've forgotten that when this kind of
person pops up, we should kick. We should either kick
the living shit out of them or should just kill
them right right, shun and shame and all that first.
But if that doesn't work, then you get the shit
out of them. We were still doing it when we
were young, and some of those people when they realized

(44:35):
I watched it my kid, right, I watched it with kids.
Kids will try behaviors and unless they're checked, they'll go, Okay,
that one works, and it works in these circumstances with
this type of person I'm going to keep doing that.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Well.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
The problem that we've had is that we've been so comfortable,
we've not had to worry about ours, our winters as bad,
we've not lost as many steadily. All of that reasons
for why we were so you know, we were so
observant and careful to make sure these types of personality
disorder behaviors did not become the norm amongst us. That

(45:09):
has steadily, that impetus for that has steadily been declining
over the last four hundred years until now they're riddled
throughout everything. And the financialist, you know, the old Venetian
bankers become Dutch bankers, become City of London bankers, become
some of Wall Street bankers, et cetera. And now they're
firmly over in UAE and cutter. They know this. They

(45:33):
you know, have been steadily feeding us comforts, right while
stealing everything. But they've been steadily feeding us comforts and
making sure that the old you know, difficulties that made
us be more aware of other people around us and
more careful to excise these kinds of behaviors. They've been
making sure that all the impetus, the draw the motivation

(45:56):
for that has been removed from us. Why so they
can embed these people so they can build out these
extractive systems. These financialists kill chain systems. And they started
in Europe back in the seven hundreds. It ultimately led
to the ten fifty four schism where the Catholic Church
was created out out of Orthodox Christianity. And it's just

(46:16):
been going since there. And now they're at the stage
where the largest wealth transfer in human history, which will
probably never happen again. They want to steal it. They
are all invent on it, you know again, like the
Great Taking. There's so many people talking about it, right
and articulating it. Well, the one thing that prevents it,

(46:37):
the one thing that prevents it as young men who
stand on the lands and say malone labe and understand
what that means, right, really understand, really understand. It wasn't
about the weapons. Yes, you had to take the weapons
from the dead hands. But what they were saying is
come take our lands.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Try it.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
That's right, Come take the assets, try it right, That's
what that really is. And I've written about this, you know,
several articles as well on this. So they have if
to do this, the big theft this trillions, tens of
trillions of dollars of real wealth, not just derivative wealth,
but actual underlying, fundamental assets. They have to wipe out

(47:16):
the young men, and the only way to defeat them
is to have the young men and have the young
men remoralized, have the young men connected to the land
and the soil and the people, et cetera. And that
means that uberwealthy and elite needed something you said earlier,
need to do a better job of reconnecting with the

(47:36):
young men of their communities and getting involved. And somebody
posted something earlier today about there's a whole lot of
boomer land and wealth out here that's not being you know,
the best thing to do would be to put young
men to work on it, Yes, in various forms, young
men that would then have an ability to earn status
in place and in a sense of honor. Right, we

(47:59):
don't need everybod war fighters now, It only takes two
to three percent, you know, war fighters to take care
of all of it. We need people who are young
men who are tied to land, who will fight if necessary.
But we need young men their soul is connected to
that land, their families connected that land, and from the
productivity of that land.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
It's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
And we did a show with this this group called
the Beef Initiative, and they talked about how many family
farms are being eradicated at such an alarming rate. I
just saw another story about California and there's a large
contingency of California fifth generation, sixth generation farmers that have

(48:45):
lost the fight and the resources and they're having to
sell their land here in the next few months. And
I think that goes straight to the heart of what
you're talking about. And then you also look at the
sheer magnitude of farmland that Bill Gates owns, this sheer
let magnitude of farmland that the Chinese have purchased, you
know what, Ted Turner, the I mean, so you you see,

(49:09):
I mean, at least I think we see it. So
the idea is for you, the listener, to begin to
see this for what it is. And it's the manipulation, right,
the pathological And that's that's before we got on uh
you know you you referenced, Hey, one of the things

(49:30):
that we need to stop getting caught up in is
is is the context of ideology being the focal point.
Can you talk a little bit more about that. Why
it's so critical to distinguish between pathology and ideology.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yeah, so great. Bringing it back to this, ideologies are
theater there their disposable system. Anybody who goes into one
of these ideologies and is espousing, they're disposable. They're just
disposable body bags. Basically, they'll do violence and do it,

(50:08):
you know, as we need to tune up this these
this type of pathology that goes into that ideology will
tune up that pathology. Magically, that ideology is dominant right now,
if we need to tune up this other one, we'll
do that. The issue and again, these ideologies don't create
the pathology. The pathologies is attracted to that kind of

(50:30):
ideology because that ideology was created by that type of pathology.
Right and so if we keep looking at Marxists and
national socialist and white supremacist and black whatever lives matter,
all these these are they are insane people. They attract
the insane. Now they're insane in similar ways. So they

(50:51):
go to a certain you know, set of words and
you know, canon and magics that they can go to
where they feel like they belong. But it's the underlying
insanity first, and we need to get down. It's like
the book I wrote, The Eternal War. There's first principle
stuff that we need to get back to. Because the
pathocracy uses these masks of these ideologies and threats, et cetera.

(51:14):
So you keep chasing that and you're not removing them,
and you know you're not restoring sanity to your systems,
right to the wholes of power, and so they'll let
you go. You can chase the ideology all you want,
you'll change nothing. And oh, by the way, what to
the purity thing? Right now where they're going to they're

(51:36):
already hard flipping from the Marxist to the national socialists.
That's what's happening. You see all the signs and social media,
et cetera. Right, it's exactly what you do. They feed
one daytieology for a while that pathology, and then when
they're ready to flip to the other, you know, or
flip to another one where they do well, they burn
that one. What changed nothing because we didn't realize that

(52:01):
that's a personality disorder type and not Marxism. It's not
national socialism, it's not white supremacy. It's a neurological personality
type right, disorder type right. And then once you realize that,
now you can look at government and go that sheriff
is a cluster b that district attorney, that politician, that

(52:25):
business leader, that right, and now you can start dealing
with and going.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Okay, how do we deal with that?

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Right? We used to shame and sean and kill. How
do we deal with it? You know they're everywhere. Now
this this pathocracy is in everything, particularly in the English
speaking world.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
So what do we do? What is man?

Speaker 1 (52:52):
You had this great The reclamation of our communities, country, states,
and nations requires the deliberate and systematic de pathologization of
our institution. Can you explain what that means specifically?

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
We can see. Okay, So first off, old power is local.
Federal power is an accumulation of local power. You can
do everything right at the federal level and change nothing right.
So what you have to do is in your small
and local area. So first off, you need to understand
these pathologies and the neural types, and you can do

(53:30):
the studies. It's you don't have to be, you know,
an expert on it, Maybe know an expert who knows
these things. One of the things you got to be
careful of is a lot of the experts also have
these pathologies and they go into those professions, like the
people who write the DSM, you know, the DSM Bibles,
their psychopaths, and they make sure that they downplay the

(53:53):
degree and amount of psychopathy. So if I was a
psychopath or a sociopath, or a narcissist you know, cluster, A,
B or C. And I had an inclination towards academia,
I might go into a profession where I'm doing studies
that demonstrate this very disorder that I have and downplays it.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
It's so funny that you not funny, but it's so
poignant that you bring this up. As before you caught on.
Jordi and I were having this conversation where I was
trying to describe just that where you look at the
history right where it started off, if you go as
far back right, and it's it's the metaphysics of our

(54:34):
rituals right right, It's it's the spring in the fall, the.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Winner, the female, the male, right.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
All of those which emerged into those types of tribalistic
explanations for existence. And then you know, and then those
morphed into something a little bit more tangible or or manipulative.
From a theological perspective, then you had Greek philosophy emerge,
and then Roman philosophy, and you know, the Age of

(55:03):
Enlightenment and and then you know the you know, from that,
you know, you had modern psychological psychiatric theory emerge, and
and it's all just the same thing. You know, it's people.
It's trying to minimize or soften the reality of this
evil that's present. Right, And and and the gross manipulation

(55:26):
for those who truly understand how easily manipulative or manipulate,
how easily it is to manipulate those lower order male figures. Right,
and we just re we just continue to redefine it, uh,
as you said, in these ideologies, to distract, to say, hey,

(55:47):
this is what's really taking place.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yes, yes, like that.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Enemy right yeah and anyway, yeah, so so very good.
You asked the question about what do we do with it.
We need to understand what these pathologies are. They're very
well known, they're very studied, they're way more prevalent than
again the academics allow.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Also there's another piece in there. People need to realize.
I don't know many academics, and I did PhD studies
in a pretty hard field. Uh, I didn't finish. I
hadn't done my dissertation, So I'm not a PhD. In
case somebody wants to try and throw that at me
at some point.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
They're gonna throw a lot more than that at euro
once you go over the tipping point.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, So what we need to realize is that most
of the you know, most of academia until the last
fifty years, has been male, and most of them were
lower status males trying to get laid. So how the
hell can I trust most of the freaking analysis about
male female differences there, No, most of the shit they've
been writing was to get laid by unhealthy women. Oh

(56:55):
my god, that's perfection. It's the truth, right, So right,
so yeah, let's listen to the experts. That motherfucker was
trying to forget my language Germany. Sorry, but that guy
was trying to get laid and he lied about a
whole lot of shit. And I don't care if he's
got you know, three thousand citations for that paper, and
you know, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Trust Trust the experts, Trust the experts.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
I'm not trusting the expert if he's a beta male anyway,
which is actually I won't go down the pathway. Alpha
beta relationships are actually not what people have been said,
because the betas in animal species do the fighting, they
do the raising of the uh, they do the foraging,
they do the hunting, et cetera. The alpha only fights
other alphas and then maintain the balance internal.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
So I want to be.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
That's a good classification. Thank you for this, Yes, so beta.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
But I need to be careful because we we have
betas in our societies and cultures, and they're very necessary
and they're very good, and we need to be right
what we're talking about when we say betas. And this
was all done in purpose by these academics trying to
get lay right, right, okay, but in what we're talking
about when we say betas right, when when we hear it,

(58:06):
are actually thetas and omegas and you know, et cetera. Right, Okay,
back to the cut. So we need to understand these pathologies,
We need to understand how they work. We need to
understand how to pick up the cues. And there's great
videos on YouTube on each one of these goes into detail.
Great videos actually very well done. Usually they're fairly short,

(58:27):
and it talks about a parent that's you know, a
mother that's a narcissist or this, and there's a lot
of great work do that. Then look at your local
leadership and identify who's who's what and who's where. Now,
be careful not to do confirmation bias and project something upon,
et cetera. But I'm going to tell you right now
there is virtually nobody in any position of government at

(58:47):
any level that isn't isn't in one of the clusters
right period. And then start looking at, Okay, using the
structure and the system, you know, voting, council meetings, et cetera,
how do we get people removed doing the process the
right way. It takes a lot of time, a lot
of effort. Right takes the community getting together, but it's

(59:09):
doable with short of violence. And then barring that, what
winds up happening historically, and this is what they're trying
to push for. Right If people don't do that, then
it goes to blood and we don't know if we
we the healthy saying people get wiped out and the

(59:30):
clusters win and dominate everything, which is what happened with
World War two and World War One, right, and somewhat
the g WATT although a lot of us survived and
we've found ways to recover from the brain injuries, and
you know, the guys that have PTSD have been finding
ways to recover, and that's amazing. Your community, the seal
community is actually kind of took the lead on that

(59:52):
fifteen years ago. And I've got to give you, guys.
I don't like to give you guys a lot of
respect for much of anything, but I got.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
To give you that one, right, say, we we definitely
took the construct of operators syndrome and have been promoting that,
that reality, that and much.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
And just now catching up, right. So, I mean, there's
what's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Respect.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
What's interesting is our community as as a int. You know,
those those people who are running our community have been
very adamantly opposed to allowing the idea into the community
on an operational level. And it's actually the different uh
s F groups that have begun to allow doctor Free

(01:00:36):
and a lot of other people into their communities to
begin to talk about it at the command level, which.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Is well, because we washed the destruction to the Seal
platoons because it didn't happen, that's right, right. So, but
the guys that were outside the platoons, you know, and
I'm the guys that started. One was a Green Beret
Andrew Marr. But the guys that really started me in
the one ceiling, partarticular Bob Aguilar or Bob Aguello, right.

(01:01:05):
Bob told me because I was very suicidal, Bob said,
I was to, He said, but as the recovery goes,
that signal will just go away and then one day
you'll realize that you don't hear it anymore. That's that
saved my life. So the first guys when I started
back in twenty nineteen, diagnosis and then treatments and then
working through identity redevelopment, all they were all seals. A
couple of cat guys, a couple dev grew guys, and

(01:01:29):
then Greenboroy colonel and a couple, but most of the
guys were seals. And you're absolutely right. They were all
having to do it privately, they're having to do it
outside they were you know. So yeah, so again we
need to we the sane of communities need to do
a better job of recognizing the the insane and not

(01:01:49):
just the ones on the streets, et cetera. But these
personality ones, these clusters, and then identify who in different
positions of power. Start with the positions of power like judges,
district attorneys, sheriffs, police chiefs, governors, mayors, it's you know,
people that have enforcement capabilities and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Ours right stret there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Really look at judges because people need to understand the
most powerful group of people in the English civilizational system
are judges.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
By far by, By far.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
By growing up as my dad was an attorney and
he've been preaching that to me since I was a
little boy, Like, you know, the people that that control
our society are the judges because they are the purveyors
of the law. They're the ones administering, you know, the
consequence of whatever actions they are.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Yeah, so that's where it starts.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
And if we if we fail in that tertally sorry
one one little final piece, if we fail in that,
then it goes to blood, and it's probably going to
be a mix of both. And even if it goes
to blood, we still need to do this. Don't focus
on the ideologies. Yes, we got to do defend there,
but the honest truth is that's not too hard, right,
we can deal with that, right the one the place

(01:03:06):
where we need, what we need to realize is that
all the ideologies are being fueled this whole trance thing
like this gun and engravings on the bullets. That's the
passport from nine to eleven. Yeah, it's the bloody equivalent
of the passport of nine eleven. We've got to be
joking me. But why they do that is they get
us into disgust and purity and rage so that we're
not looking at them. We're not looking at the system.

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We're not figuring out, and they will act like their
backing us and supporting us. The judges will do the
right thing, and the district no they're not. They're just
burning their low level disposables, so we don't look at them.
So even if even when and it is when and
it's already started. But when this goes to blood, we
have got to root out these personalities, this pathocracy, or

(01:03:54):
we lose everything we can win. You know, it's like
we've won every gun battle since World War Two and
lost every war.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Right, why this same thing, the same thing that's right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Is there a component like we always I know, I
think as I watch you know closely your posts. I
watch Clay's posts, I watch you know, Dale Stark's posts.
I watch you know, the g WAT guys that I
really believe have a comprehensive understanding at the of this, right,

(01:04:27):
and they're looking at it in these types of layers,
this type of societal or civilization. Uh, these underpinnings that
have taken place because they've educated themselves as a recognition
of the tool that they became themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
As a result of nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Right, you know, we've moved to this point where we
all seem to recognize that are our influence on those
younger males right now is pivotal. So what what advice
could you give those of us that are out there
doing it, or even firefighters, police officers, even just local

(01:05:09):
carpenters or welders or or you know, just good men
out there. What is the messaging that we should be
focused on to try and influence these young men before
they're you know, before they become victims of the pathocracy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Yeah, so the great question, and again this gets back
to why Charlie Kirk was assassinated yesterday. Right, you know,
there's a saying in our world, right, you need to
be a monster, but you have to have that monster
under control at every minute, except those minutes when you
get to let the monster go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
I said this at the bottom of the article this morning. Right,
I touched on it last night, but I said at
the bottom of the article about Charlie Kirk this morning,
and that is that we have to do what we
have to do to root out this pathocracy. We have
to do it. We have to do to defend ourselves
in our lands and prevent this theft of the boomer's wealth.

(01:06:16):
That's our wealth, that is generational wealth that belongs to
us already, doesn't need to be titled paper. No, that's
our parents and our grandparents. That wealth belongs to us
and our people in these lands. So we need to
prevent that. So we're going to have to do what
they force us to do, but we need to be

(01:06:36):
moderate in our emotions, in our thoughts and our actions.
We cannot allow them to drive us to hate and
discussed because then they're in control. Okay, I want to
give it more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
That's a message that we need to have with the
young men in a conversation and our own community because
we got our own hot heads and especially guys with
brain injuries and you know, still dealing with it, invatory
neuron issues and impulse control, et cetera. Right, and some
guys just like they see it. They're tired, they want
to do it right, let's get it over with. Okay,

(01:07:10):
there's a more sophisticated thing that I think really needs
to happen, especially with people like you and Sean and
others that have the higher level societal connections and relationships.
Our generation of GWAT guys are the equivalent of Patent
and Eisenhower and those guys in World War Two. Because
that's what's happening. Now. What's happening is we are now

(01:07:32):
going into phase two of this collapse, which is our
equivalent to World War two. The GIOAT is the equivalent
of World War One. Now we're moving into the equivalent
of World War two. Okay, it's the younger guys that
are going to fight, and it's the wealthy elite that
need these young men to stand and hold and fight
because they own the assets. There's no connection or relationship

(01:07:55):
between them now quite despite many of these family offices
are genuinely trying to find people to fill jobs, to
even run companies and asset and they just can't find
the quality guys. Well, ga, guys need to be doing
a better job of getting to know the young men
in their communities. And I've got a friend, a long

(01:08:17):
time uh Navy diver who was with you guys, you know,
with the teams his whole time, and then he went
to other special project stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Usually those guys in the Riverine guys do right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
That's right, They are the ones who keep going right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
So he's doing it out in Utah and he's doing
an extraordinary job, and he's just you know, filtering through
these guys and getting to know them and understand them.
And we need to be doing that with the young
men and figuring out you know, mentoring and shaping, guiding.
But we also need to be doing selecting, and then
we need to connect them, you know, with the high
net worth people who have jobs for them, companies and

(01:08:53):
businesses and opportunities for them. And because the high net
worth folks are ready to let the whole thing burn
because they can't fight, and they're ready to let our
lands being flooded with millions, you know, tens of millions
of people who shouldn't be here because they're trying to
find people who will work. That's right, good quality people. Well,
we got a lot of them here. It's just what's
the filtering process, right, because school is so corrupted and

(01:09:18):
all of the normal mechanisms we've used have been so
corrupted in the last twenty years with all this de
and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Right, So a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
More complex but absolutely essential as guys like us need
to be doing what we do best when we go
into a country and we're working with host nation, and
that's how we have to think. We need to be training,
working with and identifying who needs to get who's good,
who's solid, who needs a little guidance, who needs to
get slapped a little bit verbally or otherwise, right, and

(01:09:47):
then we need to be introducing them to the you
know elites here, you know, the asset owners in our
country and getting them linked together and going, hey, you
know you've got this business you've been trying to hire somebody?
I got this kid over here, right, and reconnect that loyalty,
that that multi family, multi generational dependency that is a

(01:10:09):
land and a people interesting and a lot of you
guys you know like you and and really Sean and
some of the others. You guys do have the communications
with these family offices. You do have you know, with
the high net worth people, and we do know that,
you know, the guys like Clay and others, and my
friend Sam out in Utah, who Sam Burgette's actually his name.

(01:10:31):
You guys, these guys are doing this. There's just two
connected efforts that we've got to connect those two efforts
together or we lose everything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I you know, it's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I go out and I go to these teams that
are emerging, and you know, the ri A space is exploding,
the independent space. Everybody's bailing out of the wirehouses because
they see the manipulation, the control that they that the
main wirehouse is that that that the advisor is just
the commodity like the client is now too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
It's it's a it's an abomination.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
So this massive movement towards independence in this area is
taking place. But what I continue to see and I
see a lot of like in our firm, we are
perpetually recruiting, you know, former Division one athletes. I think, uh,
you know, we've since I've come on board four years ago,
you know, I've got multiple green rats that are on

(01:11:28):
the group we just partnered with a firm out uh
uh An International uh Emerging Markets organization that one of
their principles is a former team guy, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
And so it's these athletes and team.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Guys that you know, or or or operators or military
personnel that you're that our organization is seen. And and
you know, I think it's indicative of that sales mindset
right the go getting the the alpha drive, the workaholic
guy that's going to sacrifice fan family to you know,
do the the thirty five meetings a week if you will,

(01:12:04):
or whatever, going out at every night entertain But what
I don't see is I don't see the advisor groups
hiring those guys to have them come in and take
over their books or put them connect them to their clients,
right because they're intimidated. That's right, That's right. And it's

(01:12:26):
just like man, I I just it's almost as if
there's a you know, like that that because one thing
I also see when I when I you know, before
I was pretty much solely involved in this this industry.
When I would go work for major corporations and come
in and do the presentations or work with or you know,

(01:12:49):
I would be like, all right, how are you recruiting?
Who are you recruiting for? What's the you know? And
it was the pathocrisy they were looking for. You know,
they had they had uh tagged or labeled or however
you want to in their interview process that if you
were a former military or former law enforcement or you know,

(01:13:12):
former Division one athlete or athlete, that you were be
problematic for the integration.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, that's right, and you were. They they were.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
They basically uh exercised you from from the potential of
joining the firm. And that was all by intention. And
so you know, I think now part of that the
development and mentoring these young men into those into the
belief that they can fulfill those components. I almost like

(01:13:43):
want to say, you know, to almost take the micro
row methodology to say, hey, you know, like like you
had commented, go work the land, right, figure out how
to work the land, whatever that looks like, to be
a plumber, an electrician, to be a builder, to be
you know, uh, whatever that looks like, to become invaluable

(01:14:07):
for the maintenance of of of what's the underlying foundation
of society is right, That's where we have to drive
these young Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Reality. Yeah, that's reality.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
So I have a book coming out here probably next week,
is called The Modern Night's Guidebook. Oh I love it, okay,
and it's it goes into all this kind of stuff
in detail. I've been having conversations with some folks and
all that. You know, the young kids, I'm like, they're
not even most of them aren't concerned about college, et cetera.
And I'm telling them, you know, there's this massive transition

(01:14:39):
to these companies and these businesses. Go work for one
of them, go credit, you know, go go get your
you know, learn the trade and will help you buy it.
You know, I will find somebody, you know, right, somebody
who will help you and lend and they will help
you buy. And the owner might if you prove yourself
and and somebody. These are businesses that are some of
the forty years old, they got a building, clientele, they

(01:15:02):
got all of that, right, help you buy it. So
that's a natural thing that's going to happen anyways, And
kids they understand colleges, bs, et cetera. Boys and girls
realizing that right, so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Well, I've told my kids.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
I've told my kids, you know, we send them to
a very nice preparatory IB school so they can get
learn to think and that way, we've said them, Listen,
if you don't want to go to college, we're fine
with that. We will fund your entrepreneurial aspect for four
years to get you launched and going in order to

(01:15:34):
have your own business. And here are the places, here
are the people we can introduce. So we've made that
very clear to our girls.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Well, there's amazing opportunities now for young men and women
that just didn't exist for the last fifty years, and
it's this transition, this demographic transition. Unfortunately, private equity and
family offices are rushing in there and they're not They
don't really have any intent to run it. They can't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
I've been around since the Young Bond days and I
watched what private equity did in the LBO days, right, right,
and we're still dealing with that. Give me one second.
So central theme for guys like us with the young
men is we need to break this lie that has
been used to destroy our young men, and we need

(01:16:21):
to remind our young men they are the only actual asset.
But they have to develop themselves, and they have to
develop themselves with skill sets that are necessary to the tribe,
to the community, to their families, et cetera. And they
need to develop their marshal capabilities. They don't necessarily need
to go, you know, in the units and things that

(01:16:42):
we did, although I recommend it for anybody or into
combat or arms or even in the military, et cetera.
But you know, they need to be trained and prepared
and ready. Maybe they're not going to be frontline troops,
but if shit comes to them, they need to be
able to stand and defend. And we might need to
be able. You know, this is probably going I don't
see it not, but in some places, at different times,

(01:17:04):
there's going to be a phone call to thirty guys.
It's like, we gotta go, boys, get your get your gear.
We got to go do something right And in many
of those cases it's going to we got to go
defend something, or we gotta go. We gotta go resnatch
and grab somebody, or we gotta rie, we gotta et cetera,
et cetera. So you know, what we need to remind

(01:17:27):
young men is that without young men standing on a
piece of land and fighting for it with guns and
everything else and intelligence and knowledge and all of that
and a were in relationship and networks because lone wolves
don't do nothing but make good assassins.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
That's about it. That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
So, uh, teaching young men breaking this lie and this
illusion that's been steadily taught for the last four hundred
years that these banks are the value, that money, that
portfolios are assets, and and that the real value is
and I hate to say this, what I's gonna say,
it's going to take some people off, but that the
real assets to women. No, hey, women can be replaced

(01:18:08):
young men that can fight for and it's historically accurate.
Young men who stand and fight for the land and
are capable of fighting. Those are not replaceable. You cannot
replace them with foreigners. It has never worked in history.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Right, So, And I'm not saying young women aren't important,
and women are important. That's not what I'm saying. What
I'm saying, though, is what we have to do, is
we have to and everything we're doing is let these
young men know, No, you're already an asset. You are
already the asset. Don't let anybody convince you otherwise. Now,
what you need to do is improve the value of
that asset and here's the things that you can do,

(01:18:45):
and that needs to be message after message after message
after message. We got to cut through, cut through, cut through.
And if we take a step back and look at
all these ideologies and everything that's being done, it's actually
specifically to prevent that very message. Young men, you are
the value in the asset. And here's things. Don't have
to be wild crazy. You don't have to go to Harvard,

(01:19:07):
you don't have to go into seals, you don't have
to do all this. You can improve your asset value
every single day substantively by doing just some simple things,
just by improving yourself. And here's some men in your community, right,
and there's all kinds of these men trying to do
things right to help out. Here's some men in your
community might want to go build a relationship with because
they can guide you, accelerate, connect you all of that.

(01:19:33):
And we need to connect from there again. We need
to connect with these asset owners that have businesses and
companies and go, hey, I got a good guy for you,
and I vetted him right, because that's the other thing. Right,
men have to vet men, not hr right, not some
dye program, not some government, no school men vet men period.

(01:19:57):
And you and I know that well, right, we've been
through numerous ves processes. That's right, right. And then there's
that saying. I don't know if you guys have in
the seals, in the Green Berets, we have a saying
every day of your life once you come into this world,
right into this life, and you choose this path every
day of your life thereafter is you are being assessed
for another selection event that you don't even know about.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
And you might get a tap on a shoulder one
day and says, hey, you know what, I'm gonna talk
about this. There's some other stuff we can be doing,
and it doesn't all have to be secret squirrel kind
of you. That's an opportunity. There's a business opportunity, right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Hey, I need you to go be a part of
this collective that's going to till this land into something.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
That's it, yeah, em Man. I look forward to our
conversations every time. I look forward to every article that
you post on. I appreciate you more than you could
possibly fathom.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I think you're bringing clarity.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
The to this whole situation in ways that other people
just don't have the capacity or the willingness to step
forth onto the breach like you are, and so I'm
honored to be your acquaintance and hopefully developing a friendship.
And I just I respect the hell out of you
and what you're doing, so thank.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
You so much. I just want to say that I'm
probably borderline retarded and I don't know how much danger
I'm getting into, so I'll just keep going until

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
All right, Well, on that note, thank you, right, take
care of Dad.