September 17, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a dynamic and wide-ranging discussion that blends breaking economic news, political analysis, and media criticism, all centered around the Federal Reserve’s rate cut and the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
The hour opens with breaking financial news: the Federal Reserve has implemented a 25 basis point rate cut, the first in nine months, with two more cuts expected by year-end. The hosts analyze how this impacts mortgage rates, housing affordability, and stock market performance, noting that major indices like the S&P 500, Nasdaq, and Dow Jones have hit record highs. They credit the Trump administration’s economic policies for the surge, framing it as a vindication of conservative fiscal leadership.
Transitioning into political commentary, Clay and Buck critique the mainstream media’s coverage of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, particularly targeting Jimmy Kimmel and left-wing outlets like CNN and MSNBC for allegedly misrepresenting the killer’s motives. They argue that the left’s ideological echo chambers prevent honest debate and fuel political violence, while praising Turning Point USA and Kirk’s open-forum debate model.
The hosts also react to Barack Obama’s statement on Kirk’s death, grading it a “C” for including ideological disagreement in a moment of mourning. They contrast this with Vice President JD Vance’s powerful defense of free speech and rejection of political extremism, calling it a “clarifying moment” for the nation.
Further discussion includes speculation about Gavin Newsom as a potential Democratic nominee, the role of Elon Musk’s Twitter acquisition in amplifying conservative voices, and the possibility of a JD Vance–Marco Rubio unity ticket in future Republican primaries. The hour also features commentary on transgender athletes, climate change narratives, and affirmative action, positioning these as battlegrounds where the left avoids open debate.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody. Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks
(00:02):
off right now. We've got some breaking news. Are rate cuts, Clay,
stock market, Clay is fired up right now. We've got
to go to the charts. We got to go to
the numbers. Buy sell, buy sell Clay.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, first of all, the rates have been cut by
a twenty five basis point, so a quarter point cut,
the first in nine months, the first sense right before
the election when they tried to juice numbers for Kamala
Harris and Joe Biden. But significantly two more rate cuts
a total of fifty basis points expected, which would be
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nearly a full point overall in interest rates coming down.
And some of you out there say, okay, why is
this significant? Stock market, by the way, setting another new
all time high on this news, Borrowing costs just get
way cheaper. So if, for instance, you are out there
and you're sitting on a thirty or more or a
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fifteen year mortgage, or you have been contemplating going into
the housing market, you are going to get nearly, according
to the Fed's forecast, a full point decline in interest
rates between now and the end of the year. That
makes all houses way more affordable. It would suggest that
mortgage rates, which I believe are sitting on a thirty
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year and I don't have this open in front of
me right now, but around six point two percent and
the fifteen that's a thirty year and the fifteen year
of five point six percent or theirabouts. I'll pull them
up and give you the absolute latest numbers here in
a sec but that they would come down in theory
if they moved in conjunction with these rate cuts that
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you're talking about, around three quarters of a point of
interest rates coming off before the end of the year.
It would set up the possibility of refis, which is
significant out there for those of you who got seven
and a half or eight percent interest because you had
to buy at a certain time. It might also as
you start to come back down closer to five percent
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for some of these fifteen and thirty year rates.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It may also persuade some people. Let's say you're sitting
on a three percent interest rate three to five some
of you out there might say, Okay, it's time to
sell a home. We need a bigger house, we need
a smaller house. Kids have gone off to college, we've
had new kids. We want to move into a new
school district. The housing market has been largely frozen. This
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is going to start to unfreeze it as these rate
cuts come back in to reverse the rate spikes that
were necessary because of Joe Biden's runaway inflation. So this
is a very good thing. Stock market, as we are
reacting and sitting here, is up substantially. The market was
happy with the guidance going forward, and all stocks are
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setting new all time high. So in your four oh
one k, all these things, the general consensus and trajectory
is in a post positive direction.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
We told everybody from the beginning the Trump economy was
going to be in fuego. Yes, And even when there
was that moment because of tariffs where there was a little,
a little blip, a little bit of panic, we were saying,
and I give full credit to Clay because he's more
uh more vociferous about this, but he was saying buy
the dip essentially, or hold yeah, don't don't sell, don't sell,
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don't panic. And if you have it, very it's very straightforward.
If you have bet on the Trump economy, there's a
whole bunch of ways to do that. As an individual.
But if you have bet on the Trump economy, you
have been very nicely rewarded so far for that. And
doesn't that all Doesn't that all make sense? Of course
Trump was going to come in and do things that
move things in the right direction. Now I understand there's
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still sensitivity to prices, and prices remain high for things
like not for gas comparatively, but for food, and obviously
mortgage rates.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Mortgage rates are.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Going to start to come down. That will be helpful refise. Remember,
more cash in your pocket at the end of the
month because you have the ability to refinance at a
lower rate means that you're more able to handle those
higher grocery store prices. And you know, there's a push
pull effect here. I mean, things that put more cash
into your pocket are going to be helpful with everywhere
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else where there's been a pinch. So I think that's
that's all very very encouraging. But let's dive in if
we can here to you, and it's just one other note.
I think because there's such an expectation after Trump's first
term that the economy was going to be just really strong,
that Trump doesn't get if this were a Democrat president
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with this market move over the last year. I don't
just mean today with the rate cut and what it's doing.
I mean over the last year, the first year of
a term, we'd be hearing all the time about what
a genius President Harris is in the economy. I mean, really,
if Kamala Harris was presiding over what we're seeing right now, Clay,
don't you think we'd be just constant Washington Post, New
York Time stories about how brilliant she is. I never
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see that about Trump, of course.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I will just point out as soon as the stock
market turned, CNN and MSNBC stopped featuring it every day
Back in April, when the stock market was going down
and when you had the announcements about the tariffs every day,
at the bottom of the screen, they had exactly where
the stock market is. I'm telling you, right now, as
we are watching real time, all time highs in the
(05:29):
s and P five hundred had just hit, NASDAK just hit,
and the dal Jones all hit record highs. If that
were happening with Kamala Harris, it would be the major
banner that MSNBC was running all the time, that CNN
was running all the time and I understand people who say, well,
the stock market does not perfectly reflect what the overall
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economy is a lot of truth to that, but usually
the stock market runs about six months ahead of where
the existing market is.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That's where it's trading.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So traders now are saying, hey, this economy is going
to be firing on all cylinders by the time we
get into the spring and the summer of next year,
and that is what they are, that's what.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
They're working towards. So all this is very good news.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I think we'd alluded to this before. We might have
teed this up before, but I did want us to
talk about it a bit. So Jimmy Kimmel is on ABC.
He's the late night host there, and I find him
to be the most odious of those late night house
Ah Colbert, It is a toss up, but Colbert Show
got canceled, so at least there's some justice there, you
(06:39):
have to hear. Now, Kimmel still has well, I don't
know if he still has even a couple million people
that watch the show a million and change, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Good question. I don't know what viewership is.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It's nowhere near.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
What it used to be nowhere near Gutfeld.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Nowhere near gut Felt. So here's Jimmy Kimmel saying, well,
just listen to what he says. Played twenty, he hits
some new.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Lows over the weekend with the Magga Gang desperately trying
to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything
other than one of them and everything they can to
score political points from it.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's it as one of them. That is despicable and
mentally stupid, false thing to say. And I don't know
what's worse. He's intelligent enough to recognize the falsehood and
he pedals it to his audience. Anyway, clay Or this
is somebody who people are told to laugh and clap
for as part of some corporate media entity, and he
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is he is honestly operating with about an eighty five IQ.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
This is where I think it's challenging.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
There was a calculated attempt on the left to try
to make it appear that this person who killed Charlie
Kirk was of the right.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And so if you are someone who.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Follows leftist media New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBCCBS,
basically anything but Fox News, the Wall Street Journal of
the New York Post. Obviously this program you do not
get a full picture of what the news is. Now
we've played you audio from CNN and MSNBC. There is
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an intentional desire to try to avoid recognizing what motivated
this attack, and I hope that in the wake of
the announced indictment, which makes that argument virtually impossible to
make any more. I just wonder how much of an
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experience of the whole world you have, you and I
when you saw Charlie Kirk first, we were live on
the air last week, one week ago today, about this time,
I could see in your face something really bad happen.
I didn't know, because we're constantly on our phones, hitting refreshed,
making sure that we're on top of the latest news.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
For all of you.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I knew something was bad. I didn't know what it was.
But you and I, off air immediately knew this is
someone killing Charlie Kirk because they hate him. Of course,
not complicated. You and I experience a wide variety of media.
I think we understand the full scope of arguments that
people in media might make. I don't think very many
people on the left do. I think they marinate in
(09:22):
blue sky. I think they're on Reddit forums. I don't
think they see the arguments that people like you and
me make. And this is one reason I wanted to
do the stephen A thing, because I think all the
time about how do we get better arguments. Charlie Kirk
certainly thought about this a lot. How do we get
arguments in front of persuadable voters, people who are willing
to change this?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Steve the stephen A discussion that happened showed that he
has some familiarity with, and even some agreement with right
wing arguments.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yes, which is which is heartening.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
It's encouraging because a lot of what you see are
people on the left who have you and I. I
could do this show as a leftist, and I kind
of want to, like, for April Fools one day and
just come on, although I think people wouldn't necessarily.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Rush, did this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Producer Ali talked about back in the day we were
talking about this off air, he pretended to be a
big Bill Clinton supporter for what Ali like, twenty minutes
or was it.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
A full hour?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
She's gonna look up how long it went on. People
lost their mind. You guys, have to find out, you
know what, refresh my memory. Pull that clip for ris
if you can, and I want, I want to leave
you sit in and could Oh my gosh, Clay, I
could sit here with some big friend glasses and a
man bun and a perhaps futurist female T shirt and
some sandals with socks, and I could sit here and
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talk about the patriarchy and white supremacy, and I could
make all of their arguments. In fact, you and I
could sit here in advance as long as we knew
the topic in advance of like a Anderson, Cooper or
Mattow or any of those names doing a show, and
we could say what their position is going to be
on all right. We knew they were going to do
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both sides ism as soon as they finish, so we
have familiarity with the other side. One of the problems
that is so clear on the left, and by the way,
there's data that shows this as well. They have no
idea what we really think. They have no idea what
we really say, and we meeting Clay and me, but
also more broadly the right, they just don't get it.
And I think they deep down they don't want to
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get it. They prefer to be lied to. And that's
what you see going on right now, and that's why
Kimmel told that lie. By the way, what you're telling
me is that Jimmy Kimmel is an incurious moron like that.
There's only two options here. He's an incurious moron or
he's just a vile propagandist. So I'll accept that he's
an incurious moron. But some of these things, the assassination
and assassination of Charlie Kirk, it's so clear what the
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motivation was the second that had happened, because he's Charlie Kirk.
This reminds me of when we're all supposed to think
that the COVID virus appearing next to the Wuhan Institute
of Virology in China was a coincident where they were
playing around with COVID viruses. It's a big planet, everybody,
you know. The virus didn't appear suddenly in Mozambique or Bulgaria.
(12:07):
It appeared next to the facility where they were doing this. First, right,
we were to believe that was a coincidence. Now they're
gonna tell us that we can't tell what the motive
is with Charlie Kirk. Of course we know them, We
know the motive right away. This couldn't be any more clear.
This is not hard. But they would rather lie to
themselves and lie to each other than handle the reality,
which is that the Left has created a toxic political
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ideology that has infected the mainstream of their party top down,
and they don't want to clean house. And I think
that this is, like I said, a clarifying moment for
the country about who stands for what And.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
As long as they don't acknowledge this inside of their party,
the sad and scary and unfortunate reality is.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And that's what we've been saying for some time.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
There's gonna be more Charlie Kirk's because these people think
they're heroes and they're not being shouted down.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Now we haven't seen this.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I don't interrupt you, but look at the Luigi situation. Yeah,
this guy just murdered guy.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Do you know what happened at United Healthcare? And response
to this, nothing except for a corporate.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Security needs went up.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
They've got a CEO who's still running this business. And
this also goes to the babyishness, the cry babyishness of.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
All these socialists and leftists play.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
They're all, it.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Should be free, it should be free. Why isn't everything free?
Or why isn't someone else paying for my stuff? Because
it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
We haven't played this yet. I'm curious to hear this audio.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Right now,
jd Vance is speaking out on Charlie Kirk's legacy. We
will monitor that and see if there is any more
(15:14):
discussion that we want to play from that. But I
teased Barack Obama has weighed in on the death of
Charlie Kirk. Neither Buck nor I, to my knowledge, have
heard exactly what he said. We had the audio pulled
for you. We will react to it here play it.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
What happened to Charlie Kirk was horrific and a tragedy.
What happened, as you mentioned to the state legislators in Minnesota,
that is horrific. It is a tragedy, and there are
no ifs ands or butts about it. Obviously, I didn't
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know Charlie Kirk. I've was generally aware of some of
his ideas. I think those ideas were wrong. But that
does but that doesn't negate the fact that what happened
was a tragedy and that I'm mourned for him and
his family. He's a young man with two small children
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and a.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
Wife who obviously and a huge number of friends and
supporters who cared about him, and so we have to
extend grace to people during their period of mourning.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And shot.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Uh, I mean, okay, ish the whole butt thing. We
don't we don't. You don't have to tell us. We
know you disagree with his ideas, Barack, we know you
don't have to say that. You can just and by
the way, I think that this needs to be more
of a like slap upside the head moment for Democrats
and much less of a like you know, okay, guys,
like can we just like try to be human for
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one second a little bit you know it should be guys,
stop being crazy this. This guy just got shot in
front of everybody because of what he stood for. We
can go down this path in this country. So you know,
what do you give a Barack Obamas dave in here
see minus.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean I think by the way we take
a cut. So I don't know what the full totality
of it was.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Maybe he had better.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Commentary, meaning more expansive, uh commentary saying hey, the first
Amendment is the thing that matters, and anybody he.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Doesn't have to say the I disagree. There's no reason
to say the eye disagree.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And everybody feels compelled to say I don't agree with
everything that he said. And I've always said this, you
shouldn't agree with everything that anybody says. What percentage of
the things that you say does your wife agree with?
I mean we agree on a lot, but well Laura agrees.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's like, honestly, carry Lara agrees with me on uh,
not a lot of things. You look at the look
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Most husband and wives disagree on a decent number of
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(19:06):
we've known this all along. Gavin Newsom is in my view,
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serious claim to the Democrat leadership and therefore becoming the
next nominee for the Democrat Party. And I think that's
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(19:28):
to who put this out on Twitter because he got
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this is on X but I like to credit people
when I can for their thoughts.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Ben Scalen.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
He is a senior yeh Irish journalist and commentator. He writes,
note there's not one prominent leftist anywhere in the West,
not just America doing what Charlie Kirk did, I e
issuing an open debate challenge to all comers and saying
here's my view. I invite you to try and prove
me wrong. None of them are willing to subject their
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views to that scrutiny. That Clay is a critical point
and it's something that I think is overlooked here. It's
not just that Democrats don't, you know, accept that Charlie.
What Charlie Kirk was doing is the foundation of the
First Amendment and everything else. They are unwilling themselves because
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I think a lot of them, the smarter ones, know
they will lose. Yes, they have a lose on women
can have penises, like they will lose on climate change
as an existential threat, like they will lose on these
issues that are like religious fervor issues for them.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
That's why they don't have open public forums. And that's
why I was saying Gavin Newsom got exposed by Ron DeSantis.
The point of Charlie's events was that when you argue
leftist points, they look irrational compared to points on the right,
and the flip side would be true, which is why
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I was saying, there is no left wing version of
Charlie Kirk, because to your point, Buck, it would be
somebody like you or me, a younger version of us,
twenty year old Clay or Buck walking up to a
mic and saying to left wing Charlie Kirk, how can
you say that it's fair for a grown man to
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decide to identify as a woman and win a women's
sports championship, that you can argue that it is well,
they are real women. There is no biological impact, but
you end up. Remember when Neil deGrasse Tyson said that,
and we came on and we played that audio and
we said, this guy is supposed to be one of
the most brilliant scientists in the entire world. And he
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went on because of left wing orthodoxy and said, do
we really know that men would be better athletes than women?
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I don't know. Yeah, we do know that.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
We do know, mister, we do know.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
But he got ridiculed for that take. It was him
choosing politics and orthodoxy over science. And I think what
you would see if somebody had an open form from
the left wing perspective is it would absolutely ridicule those perspectives.
By the way, credit to jd Vance this week, we
told you we were monitoring the speech that he was giving.
He just said this, which echoes much of what we've
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said for the last week.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Cut thirty eight.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
And I would like to think that whether you're a
Democrat or a Republican, this basic idea of young people
gathering to discuss and debate, that is the thing that
we cannot let pass away. Just because the leader of
Turning Points USA was gunned down by an assassin, And
I want to let you know that, whether you're a
Democrat or a Republican, whatever your belief is, I will
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fight for your right to speak your mind. We reject
political violence, and we reject the crazy left wing radicals
that gun down our friend Charlie Kirk. Let's talk to
one another and not try to shut each other down
for disagree.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Isn't it nice to have a vice president who is
incredibly eloquent, intelligent, and forceful on the issues and just
gets it, you know, honestly, it's it's something that I
think we almost take a little bit for granted right now.
But Jadesus JD is a political star in his own right.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, and a super smart guy to your point, and
off air, we were saying this, and increasingly I think
it's actually very likely. A part of me feels like
maybe sometime after the midterms, if things continue to go well,
that we're going to see JD Vance and Marco Rubio
announce a unity ticket. Hey, we don't need to spend
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three hundred five hundred million dollars on a primary. Let's
put all of our resources behind this. Let's let the
Democrats fight, and let's go ahead and know who our
guys are going to be going forward. I'm not one
hundred percent sure it happens, but I think there's increasingly
a lot of momentum there when.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You think about the names that would also consider being
Republican contenders in the next election cycle, which is not
far away. Hey, everybody, this is the thing we have
to keep reminding ourselves. It's it's you know, in two years,
we're going to be talking about about who the who
the nominee will be on.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
All that at fifteen months.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
As soon as the midterms in next year o'clock nine,
everybody's going to start to announce that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So it's going to come pretty quickly. And I would
just say everybody, though, who's in that conversation, I think
knows that they would also be welcome in a JD vance,
Marco Rubio and I'm you know, however, they would do
that welcome in that administration. So I think all of
the big names know that there's there's a place for
them if that were to be the ticket. Look, we're
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getting a little bit ahead of ourselves with that. But
back to what JD said there, here is my frustration,
Clay and I know that JD agrees with this, him
saying this is a good thing. It's the right thing
to say. Defending the right to say things without fear
of violence in this country as critical as essential. Our
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team isn't the team that needs to hear it, you know,
this is this is the the issue. Our people will
say this all day long because that's how we think,
you know, and this is always across the board too.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
We don't chase politics. And when I say we, I'm
talking to people.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
On the right in any numbers with any support of
people who are ideologically aligned or ideologically similar. We don't
agree with lying down to block traffic. We don't agree
with yelling at people in front of their families or
just in general while they're trying to have a dinner,
you know, yelling at politicians. You know, we don't agree with,
you know, throwing riots that burn down or destroy neighborhoods
(25:32):
or loot stores when we're unhappy.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Like you go down this list of things. This could
not be This could not be more clear. But mourning Joe,
your boy, mourning Joe.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Or as as as mister Mark Levin calls him, mourning Schmoe,
I think is quite apt, I must say, mourning, Joe
says this this has cut twenty six. Sorry I didn't
give you much advanced notice on this one, but there
we go.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
He got it.
Speaker 10 (25:58):
There is in the United States, the Vice President, Stephen Miller,
the Attorney General have been saying things that have been
extraordinarily divisive and as we said yesterday with the Vice President,
sadly just not true. When he says that most of
the violence comes from the left, I can say this
is somebody in the center.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
The Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank funded by the
Koch Brothers and run in part by people in association
with the Koch Brothers, put out studies showing the overwhelming
amount of political violence in America has in fact come
from the fore right.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
This is delusional.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
First of all, no one on the right takes the
Cato Institute seriously. I'm just going to say this right now. Okay,
there are a bunch of open borders loans and I
don't care what Cato has to say about anything.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You know. That's that's part one, that's just reality.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Part two is this just goes against everything that we see,
everything we know, and like I said, I've seen them
play this game before. Clay I was on CNN in
the error when we were having the San Bernardino terror attack,
the Pulse NY Club terror attack, the you know, you
go down the list of all these different the guy
who drove his car on the West Side Highway and
mod down a bunch, all these jih hottest terror attacks
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happening over and over.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And over again.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And then they would put me on and they say, well,
look at this. You know that here's some data that
shows that there's more right wing terrorism than left wing terrorism.
And they would include things like someone saying something mean
to a minority on a subway car. Oh, it's like
right wing violence. I mean they it's just not reality.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Can you think of any I mean, I just for
all of you out there, I mean you had the crazy.
I think it's one billion percent. The guy in Minnesota
I read his manifesto. I mean, he's schizophrenic.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
He's I mean, there's some strategic with the guy who
shot Gabby Giffords, who's just he is like the what's
the frequency Kenneth guy.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
He's a psycho, a psycho.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That isn't latching on to a clear ideology with institutional
support from real edifices in our society.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I can't even think of one. Now they're gonna say, oh,
Gretchen Whitmer. First of all, nothing really happened there, and
it seems to be primarily an entrapped situation. But if
you just run through in recent history, obviously what happened
to Charlie, if you think about what happened in Minneapolis
at the school shooting, the trans shooter, if you think
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about what happened in Nashville with the transshooter. Are there
lots of violent people in America?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yes? Are they far too often violent? Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
But what political violence motivated by someone from the right. Now,
I'll tell you what they did probably was they counted
every charge brought on January sixth. Hey, this trespassing charge, Hey,
this misdemeanor that was pled guilty to, and they rolled
all those together. But as you've pointed out, the only
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person who died on that day was actually unarmed and
shot and killed. Otherwise there was no actual substance.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Anchel killed in an actor, people that had a heart
attack a couple of days later, and things like that.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Actually, Babbitt, they try to say six cops died they
don't actually give you the details.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But I mean, here, here's an example.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I remember the first Trump administration there was this there
was this movement of lunatics. They chased Ted Cruz in
a restaurant in DC and they were screaming at him.
And to that restaurant's credit, actually they like were totally
had Ted's back and said you were welcome back here.
Those scumbags you know or not, will be There are
other times, though, where Sarah Huckabee Sanders, she was at
a restaurant in Virginia. I remember this and they and
(29:32):
the restaurant owner was like, that's right, I'm with these
lunatics who were shouting at you, like sorry, you know
you stand in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
There you go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
So did that happen under the Biden years when the
restaurants were open, because we you know COVID.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
How about Maxine Water saying get in everybody's face, which
helped to motivate the fact that that was occurring. How
about Chuck Schumer saying be careful. Basically out in front
of the Supreme Court they tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh.
I know, everybody just pretends that didn't happen. This shooting
of Steve Scalice and others after the shooter said are
those Republicans or not? While they were preparing for the
softball To.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The point that was made by that Irish guy, this
is why they can't have these debates in public. If
Morning Joe tried to have this discussion on Morning Joe
with you or with me, they would be eviscerated on
their own show on TV.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
They would get smoked. Okay, they would get smoked, and
they know it.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
And so instead of saying, maybe our ideas are bad,
maybe our arguments are weak, they just retreat further into
an echo chamber where they create an audience that is
emotionally emotionally unstable and can only hear what they want
to hear because they cannot present them with the truth,
because then they'll go somewhere else, Right, it turns into
(30:46):
a competition for the lowest common denominator. They'll listen to
some other lunatic out there who will try to to
justify these things. And you'll notice also, and this is
true of the Charlie situation in really stark terms, but
you've seen this with a lot of other times too.
They'll say things like you know, Charlie was a white supremacist,
and you sit there, I mean and put us the
obvious things like Candice was one of his first you know,
(31:09):
stars within Turning Point, and they had a very close friendship.
And there's a lot of things you could say right
away that would dismantle this. But okay, what's the racist
thing that Charlie Kirk said that we shouldn't have affirmative action,
that it demeans people who the Supreme Court agrees with that.
So so if now you're beyond the pale, if now
there are going to be people who justify violence against
you because you take positions that the United States Supreme
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Court has ratified, where does that leave us, clay as
a society? Where are we? That's so the law of
the land, of the Supreme Court of the Constitution is
so radical to the left that you're allowed to be
a target.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I actually think that is where we are.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I think one of the real questions that's out there
in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination is Elon
Musk buying Twitter. Is that connected to the rise of
Turning Point where Charlie's video those were able to go
more viral TikTok. We've got a potential purchase that's taking
place by Oracle Larry Ellison. We've read for you the
(32:09):
apology basically that came from Comcast after the way they
covered the Charlie Kirk assassination. Are there enough people in
power that are now embarrassed by the arguments of the
left such that they start to get shouted down from
within their own corridors. That's the question I think that remains.
We'll take some of your calls. We'll take some of
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program the next segment. In the meantime, it's football season
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she said she wanted to give us an uplifting end
to the show and she had.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Any email to read. Ali, the floor's yours.
Speaker 11 (33:50):
All right, This is a VIP email from Allen. Hey, guys,
love the show and I've been listening ever since you
came on the air. I started listening to Rush in
my twenties and loved how he taught me how to
analyze and direct arguments. But one thing that I really
enjoy about you is you are closer to my generation,
and it's obvious you are really friends. You talk to
(34:11):
each other like me and my buddies. Do you laugh
with each other and at each other, and recently we
all cried together. When I'm listening, it's like I've got
a couple of my friends with me during the day
and it just makes my day better.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Thanks guys, Oh that's super nice, really kind.
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Speaker 1 (34:31):
Bring after the show, Clay and I don't storm off
into separate green rooms like I can't handle one more
day of this. And I will tell you there are
shows like that out there. I'm not going to name names,
but there are shows like that out there.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Debbie from Thank You, Ali, that was really really nice
and like I said, Alan, thank you as well. Debbie
from Denver. We were talking. We started off the show
reading through the text messages of the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin,
and Debbie from Denver wead in saying, were saying, Hey,
is this person these text? Is this text or a moron?
(35:04):
Or is this intentional to try to provide some sort
of alibi or clarity to protect others? Debbie from Denver said,
and I asked, why not just call on the phone.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Debbie has a theory.
Speaker 12 (35:17):
Edd Hey, guys, the reason why he texts instead of
giving a phone call is because that age doesn't talk
to each other. All they do is text. If you
haven't ever noticed that, they can be sitting at the
same dinner table and they not talking to each other.
They're texting each other. I've seen it in restaurants. I've
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seen it at people's houses. People don't talk to each other,
they just text.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I think it's very insightful.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I think she's I think she may be right that
he is just that's his preferred method of communication.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
My point on that would just be.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
The sensitivity of the topic, though, may change it to
you know.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I mean, it were so dumb if you committed a
murder and you text this is where I.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Hid the murder weapon.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
It's so insanely dumb to me, I would think that
you would just recognize making a written record of your
crime is one of the dumbest things you could do.
I'm at least gonna call this person and have a
phone conversation with him. But maybe the technology and the kids,
although I will say my boys talk a lot on
FaceTime with their friends, so and they're younger than this guy.
(36:26):
But it's an interesting argument. I think it's worth playing,
which is why we did. I just still think it's
a sign of being an incredible moron to write.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
It doesn't it doesn't add up that he cares about
what evidence he left behind, and then he wrote out
a detailed confession online that part unless he's incredibly stupid,
which we are not to believe that he is. So
there's something going onhing funky going on there, and we're
going to continue to chase this one down, and we're
going to do more show for you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Thanks for being here, everybody,
Welcome in everybody. Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks
(00:02):
off right now. We've got some breaking news. Are rate cuts, Clay,
stock market, Clay is fired up right now. We've got
to go to the charts. We got to go to
the numbers. Buy sell, buy sell Clay.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, first of all, the rates have been cut by
a twenty five basis point, so a quarter point cut,
the first in nine months, the first sense right before
the election when they tried to juice numbers for Kamala
Harris and Joe Biden. But significantly two more rate cuts
a total of fifty basis points expected, which would be
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nearly a full point overall in interest rates coming down.
And some of you out there say, okay, why is
this significant? Stock market, by the way, setting another new
all time high on this news, Borrowing costs just get
way cheaper. So if, for instance, you are out there
and you're sitting on a thirty or more or a
(01:00):
fifteen year mortgage, or you have been contemplating going into
the housing market, you are going to get nearly, according
to the Fed's forecast, a full point decline in interest
rates between now and the end of the year. That
makes all houses way more affordable. It would suggest that
mortgage rates, which I believe are sitting on a thirty
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year and I don't have this open in front of
me right now, but around six point two percent and
the fifteen that's a thirty year and the fifteen year
of five point six percent or theirabouts. I'll pull them
up and give you the absolute latest numbers here in
a sec but that they would come down in theory
if they moved in conjunction with these rate cuts that
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you're talking about, around three quarters of a point of
interest rates coming off before the end of the year.
It would set up the possibility of refis, which is
significant out there for those of you who got seven
and a half or eight percent interest because you had
to buy at a certain time. It might also as
you start to come back down closer to five percent
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for some of these fifteen and thirty year rates.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It may also persuade some people. Let's say you're sitting
on a three percent interest rate three to five some
of you out there might say, Okay, it's time to
sell a home. We need a bigger house, we need
a smaller house. Kids have gone off to college, we've
had new kids. We want to move into a new
school district. The housing market has been largely frozen. This
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is going to start to unfreeze it as these rate
cuts come back in to reverse the rate spikes that
were necessary because of Joe Biden's runaway inflation. So this
is a very good thing. Stock market, as we are
reacting and sitting here, is up substantially. The market was
happy with the guidance going forward, and all stocks are
(02:50):
setting new all time high. So in your four oh
one k, all these things, the general consensus and trajectory
is in a post positive direction.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
We told everybody from the beginning the Trump economy was
going to be in fuego. Yes, And even when there
was that moment because of tariffs where there was a little,
a little blip, a little bit of panic, we were saying,
and I give full credit to Clay because he's more
uh more vociferous about this, but he was saying buy
the dip essentially, or hold yeah, don't don't sell, don't sell,
(03:26):
don't panic. And if you have it, very it's very straightforward.
If you have bet on the Trump economy, there's a
whole bunch of ways to do that. As an individual.
But if you have bet on the Trump economy, you
have been very nicely rewarded so far for that. And
doesn't that all Doesn't that all make sense? Of course
Trump was going to come in and do things that
move things in the right direction. Now I understand there's
(03:46):
still sensitivity to prices, and prices remain high for things
like not for gas comparatively, but for food, and obviously
mortgage rates.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Mortgage rates are.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Going to start to come down. That will be helpful refise. Remember,
more cash in your pocket at the end of the
month because you have the ability to refinance at a
lower rate means that you're more able to handle those
higher grocery store prices. And you know, there's a push
pull effect here. I mean, things that put more cash
into your pocket are going to be helpful with everywhere
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else where there's been a pinch. So I think that's
that's all very very encouraging. But let's dive in if
we can here to you, and it's just one other note.
I think because there's such an expectation after Trump's first
term that the economy was going to be just really strong,
that Trump doesn't get if this were a Democrat president
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with this market move over the last year. I don't
just mean today with the rate cut and what it's doing.
I mean over the last year, the first year of
a term, we'd be hearing all the time about what
a genius President Harris is in the economy. I mean, really,
if Kamala Harris was presiding over what we're seeing right now, Clay,
don't you think we'd be just constant Washington Post, New
York Time stories about how brilliant she is. I never
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see that about Trump, of course.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I will just point out as soon as the stock
market turned, CNN and MSNBC stopped featuring it every day
Back in April, when the stock market was going down
and when you had the announcements about the tariffs every day,
at the bottom of the screen, they had exactly where
the stock market is. I'm telling you, right now, as
we are watching real time, all time highs in the
(05:29):
s and P five hundred had just hit, NASDAK just hit,
and the dal Jones all hit record highs. If that
were happening with Kamala Harris, it would be the major
banner that MSNBC was running all the time, that CNN
was running all the time and I understand people who say, well,
the stock market does not perfectly reflect what the overall
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economy is a lot of truth to that, but usually
the stock market runs about six months ahead of where
the existing market is.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That's where it's trading.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So traders now are saying, hey, this economy is going
to be firing on all cylinders by the time we
get into the spring and the summer of next year,
and that is what they are, that's what.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
They're working towards. So all this is very good news.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I think we'd alluded to this before. We might have
teed this up before, but I did want us to
talk about it a bit. So Jimmy Kimmel is on ABC.
He's the late night host there, and I find him
to be the most odious of those late night house
Ah Colbert, It is a toss up, but Colbert Show
got canceled, so at least there's some justice there, you
(06:39):
have to hear. Now, Kimmel still has well, I don't
know if he still has even a couple million people
that watch the show a million and change, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Good question. I don't know what viewership is.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It's nowhere near.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
What it used to be nowhere near Gutfeld.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Nowhere near gut Felt. So here's Jimmy Kimmel saying, well,
just listen to what he says. Played twenty, he hits
some new.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Lows over the weekend with the Magga Gang desperately trying
to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything
other than one of them and everything they can to
score political points from it.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's it as one of them. That is despicable and
mentally stupid, false thing to say. And I don't know
what's worse. He's intelligent enough to recognize the falsehood and
he pedals it to his audience. Anyway, clay Or this
is somebody who people are told to laugh and clap
for as part of some corporate media entity, and he
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is he is honestly operating with about an eighty five IQ.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
This is where I think it's challenging.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
There was a calculated attempt on the left to try
to make it appear that this person who killed Charlie
Kirk was of the right.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And so if you are someone who.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Follows leftist media New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBCCBS,
basically anything but Fox News, the Wall Street Journal of
the New York Post. Obviously this program you do not
get a full picture of what the news is. Now
we've played you audio from CNN and MSNBC. There is
(08:17):
an intentional desire to try to avoid recognizing what motivated
this attack, and I hope that in the wake of
the announced indictment, which makes that argument virtually impossible to
make any more. I just wonder how much of an
(08:40):
experience of the whole world you have, you and I
when you saw Charlie Kirk first, we were live on
the air last week, one week ago today, about this time,
I could see in your face something really bad happen.
I didn't know, because we're constantly on our phones, hitting refreshed,
making sure that we're on top of the latest news.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
For all of you.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I knew something was bad. I didn't know what it was.
But you and I, off air immediately knew this is
someone killing Charlie Kirk because they hate him. Of course,
not complicated. You and I experience a wide variety of media.
I think we understand the full scope of arguments that
people in media might make. I don't think very many
people on the left do. I think they marinate in
(09:22):
blue sky. I think they're on Reddit forums. I don't
think they see the arguments that people like you and
me make. And this is one reason I wanted to
do the stephen A thing, because I think all the
time about how do we get better arguments. Charlie Kirk
certainly thought about this a lot. How do we get
arguments in front of persuadable voters, people who are willing
to change this?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Steve the stephen A discussion that happened showed that he
has some familiarity with, and even some agreement with right
wing arguments.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yes, which is which is heartening.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
It's encouraging because a lot of what you see are
people on the left who have you and I. I
could do this show as a leftist, and I kind
of want to, like, for April Fools one day and
just come on, although I think people wouldn't necessarily.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Rush, did this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Producer Ali talked about back in the day we were
talking about this off air, he pretended to be a
big Bill Clinton supporter for what Ali like, twenty minutes
or was it.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
A full hour?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
She's gonna look up how long it went on. People
lost their mind. You guys, have to find out, you
know what, refresh my memory. Pull that clip for ris
if you can, and I want, I want to leave
you sit in and could Oh my gosh, Clay, I
could sit here with some big friend glasses and a
man bun and a perhaps futurist female T shirt and
some sandals with socks, and I could sit here and
(10:39):
talk about the patriarchy and white supremacy, and I could
make all of their arguments. In fact, you and I
could sit here in advance as long as we knew
the topic in advance of like a Anderson, Cooper or
Mattow or any of those names doing a show, and
we could say what their position is going to be
on all right. We knew they were going to do
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both sides ism as soon as they finish, so we
have familiarity with the other side. One of the problems
that is so clear on the left, and by the way,
there's data that shows this as well. They have no
idea what we really think. They have no idea what
we really say, and we meeting Clay and me, but
also more broadly the right, they just don't get it.
And I think they deep down they don't want to
(11:22):
get it. They prefer to be lied to. And that's
what you see going on right now, and that's why
Kimmel told that lie. By the way, what you're telling
me is that Jimmy Kimmel is an incurious moron like that.
There's only two options here. He's an incurious moron or
he's just a vile propagandist. So I'll accept that he's
an incurious moron. But some of these things, the assassination
and assassination of Charlie Kirk, it's so clear what the
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motivation was the second that had happened, because he's Charlie Kirk.
This reminds me of when we're all supposed to think
that the COVID virus appearing next to the Wuhan Institute
of Virology in China was a coincident where they were
playing around with COVID viruses. It's a big planet, everybody,
you know. The virus didn't appear suddenly in Mozambique or Bulgaria.
(12:07):
It appeared next to the facility where they were doing this. First, right,
we were to believe that was a coincidence. Now they're
gonna tell us that we can't tell what the motive
is with Charlie Kirk. Of course we know them, We
know the motive right away. This couldn't be any more clear.
This is not hard. But they would rather lie to
themselves and lie to each other than handle the reality,
which is that the Left has created a toxic political
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ideology that has infected the mainstream of their party top down,
and they don't want to clean house. And I think
that this is, like I said, a clarifying moment for
the country about who stands for what And.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
As long as they don't acknowledge this inside of their party,
the sad and scary and unfortunate reality is.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And that's what we've been saying for some time.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
There's gonna be more Charlie Kirk's because these people think
they're heroes and they're not being shouted down.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Now we haven't seen this.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I don't interrupt you, but look at the Luigi situation. Yeah,
this guy just murdered guy.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Do you know what happened at United Healthcare? And response
to this, nothing except for a corporate.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Security needs went up.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
They've got a CEO who's still running this business. And
this also goes to the babyishness, the cry babyishness of.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
All these socialists and leftists play.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
They're all, it.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Should be free, it should be free. Why isn't everything free?
Or why isn't someone else paying for my stuff? Because
it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Right now,
jd Vance is speaking out on Charlie Kirk's legacy. We
will monitor that and see if there is any more
(15:14):
discussion that we want to play from that. But I
teased Barack Obama has weighed in on the death of
Charlie Kirk. Neither Buck nor I, to my knowledge, have
heard exactly what he said. We had the audio pulled
for you. We will react to it here play it.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
What happened to Charlie Kirk was horrific and a tragedy.
What happened, as you mentioned to the state legislators in Minnesota,
that is horrific. It is a tragedy, and there are
no ifs ands or butts about it. Obviously, I didn't
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know Charlie Kirk. I've was generally aware of some of
his ideas. I think those ideas were wrong. But that
does but that doesn't negate the fact that what happened
was a tragedy and that I'm mourned for him and
his family. He's a young man with two small children
(16:15):
and a.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
Wife who obviously and a huge number of friends and
supporters who cared about him, and so we have to
extend grace to people during their period of mourning.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And shot.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Uh, I mean, okay, ish the whole butt thing. We
don't we don't. You don't have to tell us. We
know you disagree with his ideas, Barack, we know you
don't have to say that. You can just and by
the way, I think that this needs to be more
of a like slap upside the head moment for Democrats
and much less of a like you know, okay, guys,
like can we just like try to be human for
(16:52):
one second a little bit you know it should be guys,
stop being crazy this. This guy just got shot in
front of everybody because of what he stood for. We
can go down this path in this country. So you know,
what do you give a Barack Obamas dave in here
see minus.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean I think by the way we take
a cut. So I don't know what the full totality
of it was.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Maybe he had better.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Commentary, meaning more expansive, uh commentary saying hey, the first
Amendment is the thing that matters, and anybody he.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Doesn't have to say the I disagree. There's no reason
to say the eye disagree.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And everybody feels compelled to say I don't agree with
everything that he said. And I've always said this, you
shouldn't agree with everything that anybody says. What percentage of
the things that you say does your wife agree with?
I mean we agree on a lot, but well Laura agrees.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's like, honestly, carry Lara agrees with me on uh,
not a lot of things. You look at the look
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Most husband and wives disagree on a decent number of
things every day. But you don't preface every bit of
your relationship talking about it all right, I.
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we've known this all along. Gavin Newsom is in my view,
current standard bearer of the Republican Party with the most
serious claim to the Democrat leadership and therefore becoming the
next nominee for the Democrat Party. And I think that's
very likely be the case. I want to give credit
(19:28):
to who put this out on Twitter because he got
an Elon retweet, so it's now gone very Ben Scalen,
and I see from Ireland, I know this guy as
this is on X but I like to credit people
when I can for their thoughts.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Ben Scalen.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
He is a senior yeh Irish journalist and commentator. He writes,
note there's not one prominent leftist anywhere in the West,
not just America doing what Charlie Kirk did, I e
issuing an open debate challenge to all comers and saying
here's my view. I invite you to try and prove
me wrong. None of them are willing to subject their
(20:04):
views to that scrutiny. That Clay is a critical point
and it's something that I think is overlooked here. It's
not just that Democrats don't, you know, accept that Charlie.
What Charlie Kirk was doing is the foundation of the
First Amendment and everything else. They are unwilling themselves because
(20:24):
I think a lot of them, the smarter ones, know
they will lose. Yes, they have a lose on women
can have penises, like they will lose on climate change
as an existential threat, like they will lose on these
issues that are like religious fervor issues for them.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
That's why they don't have open public forums. And that's
why I was saying Gavin Newsom got exposed by Ron DeSantis.
The point of Charlie's events was that when you argue
leftist points, they look irrational compared to points on the right,
and the flip side would be true, which is why
(21:00):
I was saying, there is no left wing version of
Charlie Kirk, because to your point, Buck, it would be
somebody like you or me, a younger version of us,
twenty year old Clay or Buck walking up to a
mic and saying to left wing Charlie Kirk, how can
you say that it's fair for a grown man to
(21:21):
decide to identify as a woman and win a women's
sports championship, that you can argue that it is well,
they are real women. There is no biological impact, but
you end up. Remember when Neil deGrasse Tyson said that,
and we came on and we played that audio and
we said, this guy is supposed to be one of
the most brilliant scientists in the entire world. And he
(21:46):
went on because of left wing orthodoxy and said, do
we really know that men would be better athletes than women?
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I don't know. Yeah, we do know that.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
We do know, mister, we do know.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
But he got ridiculed for that take. It was him
choosing politics and orthodoxy over science. And I think what
you would see if somebody had an open form from
the left wing perspective is it would absolutely ridicule those perspectives.
By the way, credit to jd Vance this week, we
told you we were monitoring the speech that he was giving.
He just said this, which echoes much of what we've
(22:21):
said for the last week.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Cut thirty eight.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
And I would like to think that whether you're a
Democrat or a Republican, this basic idea of young people
gathering to discuss and debate, that is the thing that
we cannot let pass away. Just because the leader of
Turning Points USA was gunned down by an assassin, And
I want to let you know that, whether you're a
Democrat or a Republican, whatever your belief is, I will
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fight for your right to speak your mind. We reject
political violence, and we reject the crazy left wing radicals
that gun down our friend Charlie Kirk. Let's talk to
one another and not try to shut each other down
for disagree.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Isn't it nice to have a vice president who is
incredibly eloquent, intelligent, and forceful on the issues and just
gets it, you know, honestly, it's it's something that I
think we almost take a little bit for granted right now.
But Jadesus JD is a political star in his own right.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, and a super smart guy to your point, and
off air, we were saying this, and increasingly I think
it's actually very likely. A part of me feels like
maybe sometime after the midterms, if things continue to go well,
that we're going to see JD Vance and Marco Rubio
announce a unity ticket. Hey, we don't need to spend
(23:37):
three hundred five hundred million dollars on a primary. Let's
put all of our resources behind this. Let's let the
Democrats fight, and let's go ahead and know who our
guys are going to be going forward. I'm not one
hundred percent sure it happens, but I think there's increasingly
a lot of momentum there when.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You think about the names that would also consider being
Republican contenders in the next election cycle, which is not
far away. Hey, everybody, this is the thing we have
to keep reminding ourselves. It's it's you know, in two years,
we're going to be talking about about who the who
the nominee will be on.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
All that at fifteen months.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
As soon as the midterms in next year o'clock nine,
everybody's going to start to announce that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So it's going to come pretty quickly. And I would
just say everybody, though, who's in that conversation, I think
knows that they would also be welcome in a JD vance,
Marco Rubio and I'm you know, however, they would do
that welcome in that administration. So I think all of
the big names know that there's there's a place for
them if that were to be the ticket. Look, we're
(24:36):
getting a little bit ahead of ourselves with that. But
back to what JD said there, here is my frustration,
Clay and I know that JD agrees with this, him
saying this is a good thing. It's the right thing
to say. Defending the right to say things without fear
of violence in this country as critical as essential. Our
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team isn't the team that needs to hear it, you know,
this is this is the the issue. Our people will
say this all day long because that's how we think,
you know, and this is always across the board too.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
We don't chase politics. And when I say we, I'm
talking to people.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
On the right in any numbers with any support of
people who are ideologically aligned or ideologically similar. We don't
agree with lying down to block traffic. We don't agree
with yelling at people in front of their families or
just in general while they're trying to have a dinner,
you know, yelling at politicians. You know, we don't agree with,
you know, throwing riots that burn down or destroy neighborhoods
(25:32):
or loot stores when we're unhappy.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Like you go down this list of things. This could
not be This could not be more clear. But mourning Joe,
your boy, mourning Joe.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Or as as as mister Mark Levin calls him, mourning Schmoe,
I think is quite apt, I must say, mourning, Joe
says this this has cut twenty six. Sorry I didn't
give you much advanced notice on this one, but there
we go.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
He got it.
Speaker 10 (25:58):
There is in the United States, the Vice President, Stephen Miller,
the Attorney General have been saying things that have been
extraordinarily divisive and as we said yesterday with the Vice President,
sadly just not true. When he says that most of
the violence comes from the left, I can say this
is somebody in the center.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
The Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank funded by the
Koch Brothers and run in part by people in association
with the Koch Brothers, put out studies showing the overwhelming
amount of political violence in America has in fact come
from the fore right.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
This is delusional.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
First of all, no one on the right takes the
Cato Institute seriously. I'm just going to say this right now. Okay,
there are a bunch of open borders loans and I
don't care what Cato has to say about anything.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You know. That's that's part one, that's just reality.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Part two is this just goes against everything that we see,
everything we know, and like I said, I've seen them
play this game before. Clay I was on CNN in
the error when we were having the San Bernardino terror attack,
the Pulse NY Club terror attack, the you know, you
go down the list of all these different the guy
who drove his car on the West Side Highway and
mod down a bunch, all these jih hottest terror attacks
(27:10):
happening over and over.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And over again.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And then they would put me on and they say, well,
look at this. You know that here's some data that
shows that there's more right wing terrorism than left wing terrorism.
And they would include things like someone saying something mean
to a minority on a subway car. Oh, it's like
right wing violence. I mean they it's just not reality.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Can you think of any I mean, I just for
all of you out there, I mean you had the crazy.
I think it's one billion percent. The guy in Minnesota
I read his manifesto. I mean, he's schizophrenic.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
He's I mean, there's some strategic with the guy who
shot Gabby Giffords, who's just he is like the what's
the frequency Kenneth guy.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
He's a psycho, a psycho.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That isn't latching on to a clear ideology with institutional
support from real edifices in our society.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I can't even think of one. Now they're gonna say, oh,
Gretchen Whitmer. First of all, nothing really happened there, and
it seems to be primarily an entrapped situation. But if
you just run through in recent history, obviously what happened
to Charlie, if you think about what happened in Minneapolis
at the school shooting, the trans shooter, if you think
(28:20):
about what happened in Nashville with the transshooter. Are there
lots of violent people in America?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yes? Are they far too often violent? Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
But what political violence motivated by someone from the right. Now,
I'll tell you what they did probably was they counted
every charge brought on January sixth. Hey, this trespassing charge, Hey,
this misdemeanor that was pled guilty to, and they rolled
all those together. But as you've pointed out, the only
(28:50):
person who died on that day was actually unarmed and
shot and killed. Otherwise there was no actual substance.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Anchel killed in an actor, people that had a heart
attack a couple of days later, and things like that.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Actually, Babbitt, they try to say six cops died they
don't actually give you the details.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But I mean, here, here's an example.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I remember the first Trump administration there was this there
was this movement of lunatics. They chased Ted Cruz in
a restaurant in DC and they were screaming at him.
And to that restaurant's credit, actually they like were totally
had Ted's back and said you were welcome back here.
Those scumbags you know or not, will be There are
other times, though, where Sarah Huckabee Sanders, she was at
a restaurant in Virginia. I remember this and they and
(29:32):
the restaurant owner was like, that's right, I'm with these
lunatics who were shouting at you, like sorry, you know
you stand in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
There you go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
So did that happen under the Biden years when the
restaurants were open, because we you know COVID.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
How about Maxine Water saying get in everybody's face, which
helped to motivate the fact that that was occurring. How
about Chuck Schumer saying be careful. Basically out in front
of the Supreme Court they tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh.
I know, everybody just pretends that didn't happen. This shooting
of Steve Scalice and others after the shooter said are
those Republicans or not? While they were preparing for the
softball To.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The point that was made by that Irish guy, this
is why they can't have these debates in public. If
Morning Joe tried to have this discussion on Morning Joe
with you or with me, they would be eviscerated on
their own show on TV.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
They would get smoked. Okay, they would get smoked, and
they know it.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
And so instead of saying, maybe our ideas are bad,
maybe our arguments are weak, they just retreat further into
an echo chamber where they create an audience that is
emotionally emotionally unstable and can only hear what they want
to hear because they cannot present them with the truth,
because then they'll go somewhere else, Right, it turns into
(30:46):
a competition for the lowest common denominator. They'll listen to
some other lunatic out there who will try to to
justify these things. And you'll notice also, and this is
true of the Charlie situation in really stark terms, but
you've seen this with a lot of other times too.
They'll say things like you know, Charlie was a white supremacist,
and you sit there, I mean and put us the
obvious things like Candice was one of his first you know,
(31:09):
stars within Turning Point, and they had a very close friendship.
And there's a lot of things you could say right
away that would dismantle this. But okay, what's the racist
thing that Charlie Kirk said that we shouldn't have affirmative action,
that it demeans people who the Supreme Court agrees with that.
So so if now you're beyond the pale, if now
there are going to be people who justify violence against
you because you take positions that the United States Supreme
(31:31):
Court has ratified, where does that leave us, clay as
a society? Where are we? That's so the law of
the land, of the Supreme Court of the Constitution is
so radical to the left that you're allowed to be
a target.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I actually think that is where we are.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I think one of the real questions that's out there
in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination is Elon
Musk buying Twitter. Is that connected to the rise of
Turning Point where Charlie's video those were able to go
more viral TikTok. We've got a potential purchase that's taking
place by Oracle Larry Ellison. We've read for you the
(32:09):
apology basically that came from Comcast after the way they
covered the Charlie Kirk assassination. Are there enough people in
power that are now embarrassed by the arguments of the
left such that they start to get shouted down from
within their own corridors. That's the question I think that remains.
We'll take some of your calls. We'll take some of
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Speaker 4 (33:48):
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Bring after the show, Clay and I don't storm off
into separate green rooms like I can't handle one more
day of this. And I will tell you there are
shows like that out there. I'm not going to name names,
but there are shows like that out there.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Debbie from Thank You, Ali, that was really really nice
and like I said, Alan, thank you as well. Debbie
from Denver. We were talking. We started off the show
reading through the text messages of the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin,
and Debbie from Denver wead in saying, were saying, Hey,
is this person these text? Is this text or a moron?
(35:04):
Or is this intentional to try to provide some sort
of alibi or clarity to protect others? Debbie from Denver said,
and I asked, why not just call on the phone.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Debbie has a theory.
Speaker 12 (35:17):
Edd Hey, guys, the reason why he texts instead of
giving a phone call is because that age doesn't talk
to each other. All they do is text. If you
haven't ever noticed that, they can be sitting at the
same dinner table and they not talking to each other.
They're texting each other. I've seen it in restaurants. I've
(35:38):
seen it at people's houses. People don't talk to each other,
they just text.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I think it's very insightful.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I think she's I think she may be right that
he is just that's his preferred method of communication.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
My point on that would just be.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
The sensitivity of the topic, though, may change it to
you know.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I mean, it were so dumb if you committed a
murder and you text this is where I.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Hid the murder weapon.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
It's so insanely dumb to me, I would think that
you would just recognize making a written record of your
crime is one of the dumbest things you could do.
I'm at least gonna call this person and have a
phone conversation with him. But maybe the technology and the kids,
although I will say my boys talk a lot on
FaceTime with their friends, so and they're younger than this guy.
(36:26):
But it's an interesting argument. I think it's worth playing,
which is why we did. I just still think it's
a sign of being an incredible moron to write.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
It doesn't it doesn't add up that he cares about
what evidence he left behind, and then he wrote out
a detailed confession online that part unless he's incredibly stupid,
which we are not to believe that he is. So
there's something going onhing funky going on there, and we're
going to continue to chase this one down, and we're
going to do more show for you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
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