September 19, 2025 • 51 mins
From Charlie Kirk’s assassination to the erosion of America’s moral framework, Rut unpacks how the battle between good and evil is playing out right now in a spiritual war—in our culture, our families, and our institutions.
You’ll learn:
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What “spiritual war” truly means
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Why moral relativism is so dangerous
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How history shows the collapse of civilizations without faith
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The steps YOU can take to build your belief system and fight back
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The scriptures that can become your shield and sword in this fight
This isn’t just commentary—it’s a call to action. Figure out what you believe, draw your line in the sand, and prepare to fight for it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against
principalities and darkness and spirits.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
That there's a spiritual war here. People say constantly we're
at war, and we're at war between good and evil. Well,
what exactly is spiritual warfare? Today? On the David Brutherford Show,
What's Up, Team, here's the deal, man, I just before
(00:28):
I get into this, because this is going to be
one of the heaviest probably shows I've done in a
long long time. Before I get into that, I just
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(00:51):
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(01:14):
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(02:16):
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send it to somebody that you care about, because that's
what really Jordan and I want. All right. So for
the week, it's been a pretty remarkable week. I mean,
we've seen reactions, uh that are are are dramatic. We've
seen reactions, We've seen people wanting to move on already.
(03:00):
But the the you know, the real interesting aspect of
this whole thing is that I continue to kind of
you know, see this idea that there's a war taking
place right now, right, and and some of those people
are saying, all right, hey, let's not stoop to their level.
(03:21):
Let's not let's not move to a place where violence
is acceptable or or or that we are going to
be dragged down into the sewers of morality and fight
fire with fire, right Uh. And then we've all seen
another couple posts from you know, people from my world saying,
(03:43):
you know what, here's the deal. You want to end
this right now, you know, just let the g WAT
guys give them a month to go after and prose
prosecute certain targets with a full pardon after and we'll
be over and through this whole thing. Right, We've seen
other more uh metaphysical or theological arguments like let's not
(04:06):
lower our faith to that level, because that's that's where
they want to take us, right, they want to break
us down from uh staying on the high ground of
our morality of our faith, you know. And then it's
there are other people you know that I am paying
attention to who actively are talking about Christendom and and
(04:27):
how Christian Christendom was the very thing that allowed Western
civilization to emerge. Right. It was Christendom right with the
reconquista of the Spaniards and the Iberian Peninsula fighting back,
the Crew and the Crew, the Intifada and the Muslim
Crusades and the Seven Hundreds all the way, you know,
through modern times and what we're seeing on the the
(04:50):
streets of of London earlier in the weekend, where you know,
roughly a million people were saying, all right, unite the kingdom, right,
and this is a kingdom that was built upon those
Western ideas of christiandom right, you know, And I think
you know what, ultimately, what I keep hearing things over
(05:11):
and over again, and whether I'm seeing it on uh,
you know, on on uh one side versus the other
that there's a war going on, right. I think one
side frames it as, uh, it's a war against against nature.
It's a war against the oppressed. It's a war against
(05:34):
the marginalized. It's a war against those that have forever
been uh disillusioned or disrespected. Uh, you know. And then
I see the other side of it is like, this
is a uh, this is a war against good and evil?
Right uh? And then or or framed out in this capacity,
(05:57):
we're in the midst of a spiritual war. Now that's
heavy stuff right there. When you begin to start to
imagine what a spiritual war might look like, I think,
you know, there's a lot of different times throughout history
where this term has been leveraged as a rallying cry,
(06:23):
if you will to wake up and face the presence
of evil, if you will, Now, what is that is?
Like I said, is it a battle between good and right?
And left? Is it a battle between good and evil?
And is it a battle between God and Satan? Right?
(06:44):
And those are the questions that I think are the
most natural when you begin to reference this as a
spiritual war, as so many people are wanting to do
right now, you know, And the hard thing is to
distill this down and decide something that's manageable, in particular
for those of you who aren't how shall we say,
(07:07):
true believers, if you will, right, Maybe that's even a
little bit harsh, Right, Maybe it's like you're not utterly
convinced as to what the Gospels or the Old Testament
talk about in terms of this endless battle between right
and wrong, between God and the fallen angels. If you will, right,
(07:32):
this demonic nature of society that has once again reared
its ugly head, because that's that's the that's the reality.
This is nothing that's new. Right. You can date it
as far back as the oldest civilizations that we have
that felt like they were in a spiritual war, as
(07:52):
far back as ancient Assyrians. Right. You go through modern
times and you know, you've got the twentieth century and
you had you know, you had communism versus that which
was not communism, And a lot of people want to
automatically aggregate it towards capitalism, but I think it was
(08:15):
much deeper. It was against organized religion itself, right, you know,
And so I think what it is is it's those
The war is against those who have a strong moral
interpretation or courageousness, right, those willing to stand up for
(08:35):
that grander sense of morality, right, versus those who want
to profess a level of moral relativism. You know, in
my last podcast, the frog Logic Podcast, I did a
show about moral relativism. It's an interesting go check it out.
Just look up the frog Logic podcast. Moral relativism, you know,
(08:57):
and in moral relativism is the idea that ethical principles
aren't fixed or universally true, but depend on individual cultures, societies,
or personal belief. It suggests right and wrong con vary
depending on the context. Now, you know, this is a
(09:21):
powerful thing to even begin to contemplate, because I think
so many people and why so many people are struggling
right now is there They're they're going, wait a minute,
we just witnessed targeted, a targeted assassination against Yeah. Certainly,
(09:43):
Charlie was a political operative, as JD Vance called him, uh,
you know, one of the most prestigious or adapt or
adroit political operators operator operators. Uh. When he hosted his
The Charlie Kirk Show from his office, which I thought
was really interesting and phenomenal to see that level of support.
(10:07):
You know, but what you have is you also have
a man that believed fully was invested in his faith
in Jesus Christ. And you know, the the the moral
structure that he has extrapolated from his belief, his true
belief that Christ was the Messiah and that he died
(10:31):
for our sins and was resurrected and ascended to heaven
at the right hand of God, the Almighty Right. And
so through that creates this sense of morality within the
Word of Christ. And you can argue that, you know,
there are many statements that Christ made that said, we're
not getting rid of all the old stuff too, in
the Old Testament, those structures, but we're gonna we're gonna
(10:54):
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Who Yah. Well, you know, when I again just to
give a deeper frame or reference for the term moral relativism.
You know, there's no one singular person that invented this
that didn't have a specific philosopher or theologian or metaphysics
or you know, existentialists that had it. But it's been
(13:31):
a concept that's been percolating for thousands of years. You know.
One of the great places that I when I just
looked it up today, they mentioned groc mentioned a Greek
philosopher Protegorus around four ninety BC, and he famously said
this man is the measure of all things, which hints
(13:54):
at the concept, right, and that essentially is saying that you,
as the individual, you build your own framework of sovereignty. Right,
what are you sovereign to? You know, is it an
ideological environment, is it a political environment, is it theological environment,
or is it just your own interpretation of existence yourself?
(14:15):
You know, now beyond that, moral relativism is really kind
of emerged within the philosophical ideas of postmodernism. And you've
got great postmodernists like fu Cout, existentialists like John Paul Sart,
you know, Franz Boas, you know, all highlighting the diverse
(14:36):
nature of moral codes which exist across societies themselves. Now
we all feel this absolutely, especially as within our American culture, right,
and there's been a history of divisions within our own
American culture. But you know, if you're an American, you
travel overseas, which I have, you know, and I'm not,
(14:58):
you know, and to the most cordial places culturally for Americans.
But you know, when I was in Afghanistan multiple times
over a ten year period, and in Pakistan and some
other Muslim countries, it was very distinct. But I even
saw multi you know, different cultural ideas within you know,
(15:19):
my time in Azerbaijan, my time in Afghanistan, in different
regions in Afghanistan, my time in Pakistan, my time in
Kuwait or Bahrain. Right, you see, there are even differences
within Muslim in Islam itself, and there are differences in Judaism,
there are differences in Christianity. I mean, hew, look at
(15:40):
the division between the Catholic and Protestant churches back in
the day, right, I mean the Thirty Years War. Right,
these are conflicts that have been taking place, and you
can say this wherever you go. We're all around the world,
you know. But I think these postmodernistic ideas about more relativism,
(16:01):
you know, it's it it begins to infect the masses.
In particular, if you're able to generate a narrative around
that that that those who believe they're on this moral
high ground or this this this biblical high ground, if
you will, that somehow, you know, there their interpretation of
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it is is oppressive to you. And I think you know,
we've seen that even take place in our background as well, too, Right,
We've seen that in the Civil War, right that both sides,
whether you were from the South or from the North,
were arguing that we were in a spiritual war, right, right.
(16:45):
And you had people in the South that said, hey,
you're taking slavery, which back then was probably one of
the most common practices historically around the world, right, you know,
was like, hey, this is the way things are, and
you're taking away our core beliefs, our morality. If you will,
and a lot of it was based on a higher
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moral structure of Christian beliefs. And then on the other
side you have the abolitionists, and you had you know,
the progressive modern ideologies of the North and the industrialists saying, no,
you know, all men are created equal and that's God's rights.
Those are the inalienable rights that every man has. But
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they both believed they were in this moral high ground.
They were both believed that they were in the spiritual warfare.
And that's where I think things really begin to get
confusing for so many people. That shooter who assassinated Charlie Kirk,
he felt like he was in the moral high ground.
(17:53):
He felt like what he was doing was was acting
under his cause. Right. I think you also feel like
the gentleman who stabbed that poor Ukrainian girl, right, he
obviously is like, I am not beholden to any moral structure, right,
(18:13):
because we don't know what he said other than the
comments before and I got that white girl, right, that's
all we know. But we don't know what his philosophical
ideas other than the fact that it was acceptable to
murder somebody because he didn't like them, or the color
of their skin. We don't know, right, But what my
(18:34):
point of all that is to say is for those
of you out there that are trying to figure out
what this spiritual war is looking like, you got to
recognize that the people that are on both sides, all sides,
however many sides there are, they believe their stance is
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the appropriate stance, is the right stance. And so what
begins to happen, Well, all you got to do is
look throughout history when societies that are beginning to pull
at the center of what that moral structure looks like,
(19:15):
things begin to devolve pretty rapidly, right. And you can
see this whether the Roman Empire towards the end, you
can see it in the twentieth century, right, you can
see it in all these different places. And what begins
to happen is is those that have the high ground,
(19:35):
that understand the nature of evil and understand what what
society or not society that's it's deeper than that maybe civilization.
Maybe I don't even think it's deeper than civilization itself.
Right there, these are the tribal iterable behavioral activities that
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have kept certain groups a lot I have through the centuries,
right through through the millennium. Right, Why do certain tribes
last and other tribes don't, well, because those tribes are
willing to fight this spiritual war. You know. One of
(20:18):
the things as I was contemplating, you know this, this
this show, you know I I one of the things
that really provoked it was there was a presentation that
Charlie Kirk did with Tucker Carlson a while back, and
where he talked specifically about it, and and and Jeordie,
(20:41):
why don't you why don't you play that whole thing? Right?
The clip I sent you right now? Sure eighth is.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The most important thing because for those of us that
are Christians, it doesn't drive you crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You actually see what's going on, which is.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but
against principalities and darkness and spirits, that there is a
spiritual war here. And you're right, Tucker, I find people
in this space that are not anchored to faith, anchored
to Jesus. They do lose their mind because there is
(21:17):
no rational or reasonable explanation for what the country is
doing to itself or what we are experiencing. But if
you then see and you know that there is a God,
and we are not him. That there is an entire
dimension of angels and demons and spirits that are constantly
struggling struggling around us, and that there is a supernatural
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dimension as you mentioned, all of a sudden, that doesn't
make sense. That it does not make any rational sense
to shut down your schools so you could sacrifice the
kids so the elderly can live.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It makes no sense whatsoever to keep your marri want
of dispensaries open and your alcohol shops open. But the
church non essential. Only a demonic enterprise would do such
a thing. Only a demonic enterprise would say that Easter
and Pentecost are non essential. But race, rioting and burning
(22:17):
down a Wendy's is a central activity. And Tucker, you
talk about this a lot. For those of us that
know the truth, we know that our God is a
god of order and distinction.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
What is the first thing.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That God did in the Hebrew scripture, as it says
well and also our scripture in the original Genesis bet
as sheets, which is in the beginning, God created the
heavens and the earth, and then he separated and he
made sense. He made order out of chaos. Our God
is a god of order, and order only comes with distinctions,
and distinctions are necessary. Think about all the distinctions that
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God set up in the first six books of Genesis
that are currently under attack. The distinction between male and female,
distinction between man and nature, the distinction between the holy
and the profane, the distinction between good and evil, the
distinction between infant and adults. These distinctions have always been
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what Western civilization were built upon. But it is Satan's
goal to blur and eventually destroy those distinctions because those
distinctions of which we get order, and you do not
have that order, then you have the closest thing to
satanic chaos here.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
All right, So you watch that and he breaks it
down in this really unique way right by these with
this idea of the war of principalities, darkness and spirits. Now,
I know a lot of times people will see people
talk about demons and angels in that capacity and they'll
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be like, hey, man, you just lost me there. Like,
I get there's an attack on morality. I get that,
I feel that. I mean, I'm appalled at what I'm seeing,
But why are you able to describe it like that?
And you know you know. I think when you begin
to think about what principalities mean, right, Principalities are often
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understood in theology as a high ranking spiritual beings or powers,
usually fallen angels or demonic forces that rule over specific
regions or areas of influence Ephesian six, verse twelve, and
the Bible talks about wrestling not just with flesh and blood,
(24:32):
but with principalities, powers and rulers and darkness. Now, theologians
like Thomas Aquinas saw them as part of a hierarchy
of angels, but when fallen, they opposed God's order, influencing
human affairs and requiring spiritual resistance through prayer and faith.
That's the core of it from a theological standpoint. So
(25:00):
when you listen to Charlie talk about this and what
we're witnessing, and you heard them, you talk about how
it makes no sense right to shut the schools down
to impede or destroy young children, to protect the elder
a small portion of the elderly right, and that it
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made no sense to keep those dispensaries and liquor stores
open and close the churches unless there was an all
out assault on the places that we knew morality kept
in check. It makes no sense to keep families apart
and death but allow the mobs to destroy the community
(25:43):
by professing some ridiculous fact that certain ethnic minorities are
under assault. Right, And all you got to do is
look at you know, those on the street interviews of
people going up in these rallies and saying, you know
who knew the FBI crime statistics and said, hey, do
you do you know how many in his you know,
(26:05):
unarmed black men were killed by police officers in twenty nineteen,
and they're like ten thousand, five thousand, seven thousand. The
reality it was twenty seven. I think it was twenty
seven people. I think that pretty sure somewhere around there.
But it was such a diminimus number. And it's like
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three point five million contacts with officers and people in
the country every year, some staggering I might even actually, Jory,
look at how many how many contacts with law enforcement
and people take place annually in the United States? You know,
(26:47):
but you see what people What happens is there's a
distortion of of I don't know, the truth, statistics whatever,
and what ends up, I mean as people start to
exist within that that the loose structure of morality and
or justification and and and all it takes is a
(27:10):
little bit of chaos in a person's framework right to
get begin to him to tear down the order with
which they construct right hardcore morality and and and that's
really the battle, right. I think Jordan Peterson talks about
(27:32):
it pretty extensively, which is the battle between order and chaos.
You know, when he the ideation of He's got this
beautiful lecture about the ideation of God right in the
first book of Genesis, and and and what that metaphorically
is saying is that all humanity is perpetually wrestling with
that fact, right. And I think Charlie clearly defined that
(27:55):
right by his commentary about distinctions between different things things,
and the distinctions are what create the framework that we
build morality against out of right, instead of the chaos,
the destruction or the pulling apart of those things which
hold the fabric of society or civilization together. You know,
(28:19):
any good for you if you will to let me
hear it. Let's hear it. So.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Per year, police contacts with people ages sixteen and up
are around fifty to sixty million people per years, and
in twenty nineteen, like you referenced, out of about one
thousand and four people shot and killed by police, thirteen
unarmed black people were shot and killed.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
How many white people were shot and killed by unarmed
white dudes? That might be the twenty seven So as
thirteen black people unarmed blacks were killed by police officers
in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Wow, okay, yeah, so it's got to be a lot
more than thirteen.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It looks like.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
At least four hundred and twenty one people were shot
and killed by the police who are known to be unarmed,
but it's not giving me specifics of the thing on.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Whether they were white. Yeah, okay, a lot more. I'll
just a lot more and that, and that makes sense
by population as well too. But thirteen is a pretty
low number again going back to the how these statistics
are pushed off to build into these narratives, right, you know,
And one of the things that I really that hit
me heavily in that clip that you watched with him, right,
(29:36):
it's this it's this attack on the framework, right, and
he talks about the first six books of Genesis. Right,
it's attack on a framework. And when you think about this,
even if you're not religious in nature? You know, what
are the fundamental truths? What are the truths that you
know hold it together? Because right now I think everybody
(29:59):
is feeling, oh my god, civilizations unraveling, society is unraveling.
There's a there's a race war, there's a religion war,
a religious war, there's a political war. There's a war
between the poor and the rich, the elites. There's all
these wars taking place. And so what are the foundational
things that are that are emerging out of that? Right?
(30:19):
We see there's a war, there's there's people that want
to tear down the most pinnacle thing of all of it, right,
which is the distinct difference between a man and a woman.
And what those roles are? You know, And if you're not,
if you don't believe in and Adam and Eve or
(30:41):
or or or that, and you are an evolutionary biologist
or you're evolutionists, right, what you do recognize is is
all right, even then that biology is intact. Right, So
what happens what that's I mean, that's the pinnacle. If
you start tearing that apart, you tear part the fabric
(31:01):
of of existence itself. And there's a concerted effort to
tear a part that. Now, if you're a person and
you want to believe whatever you want to believe about yourself,
that's good, but you're not going to force me to
believe it. Right, I'm not gonna assault you or attack
(31:24):
you or dispell you unless you cross the line. Right
by by forcing my hand, forcing my mind, you're forcing
me to submit to your ideology or or as as
em talks about your psychosis or your pharmacau or no
(31:44):
what cause it the I forget right now, but you
know you're your underlying component of where you are psychologically. Right.
The other is like the idea that somehow children can
make decisions for themselves. Right to go in there and
pulch children away from their parents, to create an idea
that children are independent in their thinking capabilities. But yet
(32:08):
all the science proves that a human being's mind isn't
even fully developed, or they're twenty six to twenty nine
years old. But we want a ten year old girl
or boy to make a decisions to irrepiably damage their
physical selves, their mental seals, their emotional sells. And now
you look at some of the laws that have been
just passed in California, it's that that is breaking down
(32:32):
the framework of the most I think the most sacred
bond that exists, right, which is between a parent and
their child and the need, the necessity, the innate. I'll
tell you one thing, man, if my children were ever
hurt or child or anything like that, like all bets
(32:55):
are off, I completely say, you know what, I'm done.
I'm done plane by the rules, the moral rules, because
you break the you broke the Covenment covenant, which is
children are the most protected class in the planet. But somehow,
some way, there is an insiduous state of immorality, moral relevstic,
(33:20):
you know, ideology that's trying to infect my children with
this this breakdown of these sacred structures. Right, Well, what strateges.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
That it's only uh, it's selectively giving children authority over
their own decisions. They can't buy they can buy alcohol,
they can't join the military, can't buy a gun, can't
do all kinds it, can't rent a car, but they
can make certain other decisions about their hormonal makeup.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
That's right, that's right, and that's intentional, right right, because
you you want to give them enough power to crack
those that are holding together this moral framework, this this
spiritual framework. Right, then you have what the holy versus
the profane that he calls, right, and that's the old
(34:10):
Sodom and Gomorrah story. Right, that's when you see, you know,
these these areas of complete decadence and decay, societal decay.
What happens when when there's no more rules, the people
that are are are devout in nature, they suffer the
most and they become victims of this this decay, right,
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this moral decay, this unrestricted, unregulated moral decay.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I might I might frame that slightly, just to switch
it a little bit. I think that it's not that
you get rid of the holy. I think that you
just replace it. Right, you start worshiping when you when
you when you flip the good and the true and
the beautiful things as what we worship, and we start
worshiping things like power, money, sex, things like that, and you.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Flip the golden calf.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
That's right, golden calf, right, and that's pain is now
the good. And so it's interesting, it's more of an inversion.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And what what I think, what I think the big
struggle with people right now is is you know, and
I think COVID you know, broke something loose because people
begin to realize whoa the institutions that we have been
uh growing up to believe are are into are are
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what is the word I'm looking for? That are sacred? Right? Right?
That are sacred? Now we know, oh, they're not sacred.
And so I think that's what's taking place, and people
are trying to figure out, well, what what is taking
Is there a war? What kind of war is this?
And where is it coming? Why are there people intentionally
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trying to promote pornography, drug use? Uh uh open calls
for violence. I mean, it's remarkable to see the magnitude
of people that applauded the assassination of Charlie Right and
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how like more people are calling for who's next and
who's who's gonna who's or who we get next? I mean,
that's what this is, right, and they believe they have
the moral high ground.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think the next question really is, all right, how
do we fight back? Or how do you fight back?
I know how I fight back, but I want to
know how people want to know how am I supposed
to fight back. One of the greatest things that we
saw as a result the last week, as we saw
this magnificent rise in action, right, thirty three thousand requests
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into Turning Point USA to start new new organizations in
schools and universities all across the country. Thirty three thousand
requests thirty three love that right old Christ's age when
he sacrificed for our beliefs.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
To put that in perspective, I think the existing ones
were in the low thousands.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yes, yeah, I mean this is a staggering number. Stagger right.
I want to know what the numbers are for first
time church attendees. Right, there are all these videos out
there about people putting on suits and going into church
for the first time. I know dozens of people I
know that we're like, we're going to church this weekend.
So that alone is phenomenal, you know. I think that's
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the first place you fight back is to clearly establish
what you believe in, to define your beliefs. Now. I
do this exercise with my private coaching clients sometimes because
every now and then, and you know, one of my
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clients is you know, as I've said before, I focus
on the physical, the mental, emotional, and the spiritual, and
most people never even want to touch their spiritual you know,
identities at all, because it's just it's very difficult. You
have to take these blind leaps of faith, and I
think a lot of people are afraid of that. So
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the exercise I do is is I have people, in
one hour, right, go up, get a whiteboard or a
giant poster board, sit down in a quiet space, get
rid of your phone, get everybody out, Just sit there, calmly,
and in one hour, draw out or write out your
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belief systems or your belief system right, what do you
actually believe in? So for me, I would start in
the middle, I draw you know this this, I draw
this you know, rectangle or or square if you will,
and I in the middle of that square, I would
put Jesus Christ right. And so in that square, then
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all of a sudden I come off and I write
these other things in there. And so for me, how
I built that out as I had right, I had
I had Peter, I had Paul, I had the apostles right,
and then I had Christ's word himself right. And so
there all of a sudden, there now off that what
are their stories? And then from there where does it go?
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And then over here I do a foundation, maybe a
pillar of family right, I do a pillar of family?
What does family mean? Right? Right? Then I do within
that pillar, I say, all right, how do I teach
or train my children? Right? Over here, I go up
my pillar as a husband? What does it mean to
be a husband? Right? Then my pillar over here as
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a friend? Like, what are my responsibilities? What type of messaging?
What type of support do I give the people I
love most? Right? And that's everything from how do I
lift them up? How do I give them grace? How
do I give them a second chance? Right? How do
I how do I teach them? How do I lead them?
How do I how do I follow them? Right? And
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then over here how do I do that in a community? Right?
How do I do that? With my meaning in life? Right?
And then from there, well, what is the meaning of
my life? And what do I need? What is my purpose? Right?
And because I know the foundation is Jevus Christ's pretty
pretty quick to get to the place. Well, my meaning
and purpose in life is to talk about Jesus Christ
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and how it can impact you in a positive way,
how it can give you redemption because he died for
your sins. Right. So then within that right, how do
I rehabilitate my own sinful mind, because certainly, man, I
have been a sinner in my life. There's no doubt
I have sinned my life, like horrifically sinned. And I'm
not here to judge any other sinner. But what I
(40:58):
am here to do is I build out this this
picture of my belief systems. And then the second part
of that. Once you've done that exercise, right, then why
I want you to bring in your children, your spouse,
a friend, a loved one, I don't care who it is,
and I want you to teach them in one hour
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your belief systems. Because when you teach somebody what you
believe in, you're testing your knowledge, faith, your knowledge base, right,
You're testing whether or not you've really thought through this structure,
this foundation. And so often I think that's why we
see such a mental health crisis in this country, is
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that people's foundations are built upon sand. And we understand
based on the parable of the sower of seeds, we
recognize that when you try and plant seeds in the sand,
what happens, or you try and build the foundation of
your church and saying what happens? And that's the problem.
(42:02):
People aren't sure what they believe in. So that's what
you have to do, right because once you have that
core system, those beliefs, now you know what's worth fighting for.
Now you know how you're going to begin to wage war,
right or matter, you know why you're gonna wage war.
(42:23):
The how is the next step, right, But you know
why you're gonna wage war for what because of these pillars,
Because of this foundation. You know what's important. You know
the virtues and the value systems. You understand the certain
core tenets or principles or the different versus that you
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pin to these different things. Right, to get in that
scripture and to recognize, hey, this is the structure because
so often here's the deal in the world we live in. Man,
there's so many things pulling you away from that. And
that's the spiritual warfare. On the other side, that temptation,
the temptation for money, the temptation for power, the temptation
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for the easy way, the temptation for lust or greed
or whatever it is. Man, that thing that pulls you
away from that foundation. And that's what it is. Man.
But you cannot begin to wage that war unless you
know distinctly. And that's what Charlie Kirk talks about the
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distinctions unless you know distinctly what you believe in and why.
So as you're trying to figure out, you know, how
to wage this war and how to fight back against
this persecution of ideas, you know, one of the things
that goes back to the idea of that word and
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where it comes from and what it can do for
you, you know, is to get into that those verses, get
into that scripture. So you know, Geordie, I know you
always talk about those verses, you know, and I know
it before we got on, you talked about some ideas
about how do you combat that persecution? So what do
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you got, man? What are some of the verses that
really stand out for you?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Yeah, it's confusing for everyone, and no one really knows
where to start if you're honest with yourself, and so
a great place to start is just to see what
the Bible itself talked about about persecution. I think the
first thing is that to note that persecution was predicted
in John fifteen twenty. It says, remember what I told you,
A servant is not greater than his master. If they
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persecuted me, they will persecute you. Also, I was Jesus Christ,
so it's coming. Thelob also talks about strength in persecution.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
This is.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
The Lord is my light and my salvation. Whom shall
I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life.
Of whom shall I be afraid? Next is talking about
how we should respond to persecution. This is Matthew five
forty four. Love your enemies and pray for those who
persecute you. It's probably the hardest one to hear right now.
(45:17):
Pray for the people to persecute you. Absolutely, And there's
messages about hope and persecution. You will be hated by
everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm
to the end will be saved. Now I've just got
two more quick ones that I think are really nice.
How should we think about persecution? This is James, one
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of my favorite verses in the Bible, James, chapter one,
verse two to three. Consider it pure joy, my brothers
and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because
you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.
And then the finally, the last thing is everyone's warning
about justice. What we see justice? Well, the Bible talks
about this in Romans chapter twelve, verse nineteen Paul says,
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do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room
for God's wrath. For it is written it is mine
to avenge, I will repay, says the Lord.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I think every one of those is packed with so
many lessons, you know, And that's again the challenge as
you try and figure out how to wage this warfare
or even how to understand it right, is to recognize
that there's a component that we are being persecuted, right,
and that persecution is the essence of whatever that evil
(46:36):
is or that moral relativism. And that's why it's imperative
that you go back and you are able to define
your beliefs in those verses are the ideas that you
can use to really kind of begin to structure that
out for you and to figure out why those verses came,
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about what the meaning behind them, and then to think
about your life and think about how you're feeling persecuted
in relative terms to those verses, because that that that
becomes your shield and your sword are those verses in
that Word of God. So as you begin to really
continue down that path and learning learning really how to
(47:19):
how to put that uh that that belief structure in
place in order to begin, uh really fighting back. Those
are some great places to start as well. Man, I
got on a call with uh Sean the other day
and after all this went down, and we were just
you know, going round and round, and one of the
(47:41):
things that we just kept going around is just, you know,
all of the nonsense that was engulfed in this this
the perceived warfare that was taking these other side conflicts
within the internet and on x and all these other places,
in these little battles, you know. And that's the hard part.
(48:09):
That's what you're struggling with. I know you are. It's like,
all right, what battle? Where do I go? Where do
I wage it? How do I start? But you can't
start to wage war unless you know why you're going
to war. So that's what I'm asking you to do.
I'm asking you to figure out why you want to
(48:31):
go to war, right, if you're willing, if you think
in your heart that yeah, this is it, this is
this is the line in the scene. If we don't start,
you know, confronting this evil face to face, we're going
to lose it. All. Oh yeah, all right, well what
are you fighting for? Because I'm going to tell you
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when it gets ugly, and it it will get ugly.
Guarant it's gonna get ugly. I mean, an assassination of
a person like Charlie Kirk, that's about as ugly as
it gets. Next to trying the assassination of a president
or a political figure, or waging war against the whole populations.
I mean, that's happening. This is all happening. It's not
(49:17):
a lie, it's not fake, it's not fabricated. This is real.
So this is happening. So if that's it, and you
are saying we are in a spiritual warfare, then you
better believe why you want to go to war. So
that's what I'm asking you. Figure out what your belief
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system is, map it out, and if you need help,
seek somebody else that's done this. Seek out somebody that
has the time and the investment in this process that
can articulate in a way that makes sense. One of
(50:09):
the things that helped me, because my journey towards this
belief system was not easy, was I realized that what
Christ did is he overwhelmed the enemy with his words,
(50:36):
and his word is the gospel, and the gospel is good,
and his word is God's word, and that word brought
order out of chaos. So if you're going to fight
(50:56):
the spiritual warfare, start I use in the word, and
that's the word of Jesus Christ. Thank you God, bless you, God,
bless our country. I just wish you all the best.
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God speak wh
We do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against
principalities and darkness and spirits.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
That there's a spiritual war here. People say constantly we're
at war, and we're at war between good and evil. Well,
what exactly is spiritual warfare? Today? On the David Brutherford Show,
What's Up, Team, here's the deal, man, I just before
(00:28):
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(00:51):
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(01:34):
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The other stuff is great and all that, but all
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what really Jordan and I want. All right. So for
the week, it's been a pretty remarkable week. I mean,
we've seen reactions, uh that are are are dramatic. We've
seen reactions, We've seen people wanting to move on already.
(03:00):
But the the you know, the real interesting aspect of
this whole thing is that I continue to kind of
you know, see this idea that there's a war taking
place right now, right, and and some of those people
are saying, all right, hey, let's not stoop to their level.
(03:21):
Let's not let's not move to a place where violence
is acceptable or or or that we are going to
be dragged down into the sewers of morality and fight
fire with fire, right Uh. And then we've all seen
another couple posts from you know, people from my world saying,
(03:43):
you know what, here's the deal. You want to end
this right now, you know, just let the g WAT
guys give them a month to go after and prose
prosecute certain targets with a full pardon after and we'll
be over and through this whole thing. Right, We've seen
other more uh metaphysical or theological arguments like let's not
(04:06):
lower our faith to that level, because that's that's where
they want to take us, right, they want to break
us down from uh staying on the high ground of
our morality of our faith, you know. And then it's
there are other people you know that I am paying
attention to who actively are talking about Christendom and and
(04:27):
how Christian Christendom was the very thing that allowed Western
civilization to emerge. Right. It was Christendom right with the
reconquista of the Spaniards and the Iberian Peninsula fighting back,
the Crew and the Crew, the Intifada and the Muslim
Crusades and the Seven Hundreds all the way, you know,
through modern times and what we're seeing on the the
(04:50):
streets of of London earlier in the weekend, where you know,
roughly a million people were saying, all right, unite the kingdom, right,
and this is a kingdom that was built upon those
Western ideas of christiandom right, you know, And I think
you know what, ultimately, what I keep hearing things over
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and over again, and whether I'm seeing it on uh,
you know, on on uh one side versus the other
that there's a war going on, right. I think one
side frames it as, uh, it's a war against against nature.
It's a war against the oppressed. It's a war against
(05:34):
the marginalized. It's a war against those that have forever
been uh disillusioned or disrespected. Uh, you know. And then
I see the other side of it is like, this
is a uh, this is a war against good and evil?
Right uh? And then or or framed out in this capacity,
(05:57):
we're in the midst of a spiritual war. Now that's
heavy stuff right there. When you begin to start to
imagine what a spiritual war might look like, I think,
you know, there's a lot of different times throughout history
where this term has been leveraged as a rallying cry,
(06:23):
if you will to wake up and face the presence
of evil, if you will, Now, what is that is?
Like I said, is it a battle between good and right?
And left? Is it a battle between good and evil?
And is it a battle between God and Satan? Right?
(06:44):
And those are the questions that I think are the
most natural when you begin to reference this as a
spiritual war, as so many people are wanting to do
right now, you know, And the hard thing is to
distill this down and decide something that's manageable, in particular
for those of you who aren't how shall we say,
(07:07):
true believers, if you will, right, Maybe that's even a
little bit harsh, Right, Maybe it's like you're not utterly
convinced as to what the Gospels or the Old Testament
talk about in terms of this endless battle between right
and wrong, between God and the fallen angels. If you will, right,
(07:32):
this demonic nature of society that has once again reared
its ugly head, because that's that's the that's the reality.
This is nothing that's new. Right. You can date it
as far back as the oldest civilizations that we have
that felt like they were in a spiritual war, as
(07:52):
far back as ancient Assyrians. Right. You go through modern
times and you know, you've got the twentieth century and
you had you know, you had communism versus that which
was not communism, And a lot of people want to
automatically aggregate it towards capitalism, but I think it was
(08:15):
much deeper. It was against organized religion itself, right, you know,
And so I think what it is is it's those
The war is against those who have a strong moral
interpretation or courageousness, right, those willing to stand up for
(08:35):
that grander sense of morality, right, versus those who want
to profess a level of moral relativism. You know, in
my last podcast, the frog Logic Podcast, I did a
show about moral relativism. It's an interesting go check it out.
Just look up the frog Logic podcast. Moral relativism, you know,
(08:57):
and in moral relativism is the idea that ethical principles
aren't fixed or universally true, but depend on individual cultures, societies,
or personal belief. It suggests right and wrong con vary
depending on the context. Now, you know, this is a
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powerful thing to even begin to contemplate, because I think
so many people and why so many people are struggling
right now is there They're they're going, wait a minute,
we just witnessed targeted, a targeted assassination against Yeah. Certainly,
(09:43):
Charlie was a political operative, as JD Vance called him, uh,
you know, one of the most prestigious or adapt or
adroit political operators operator operators. Uh. When he hosted his
The Charlie Kirk Show from his office, which I thought
was really interesting and phenomenal to see that level of support.
(10:07):
You know, but what you have is you also have
a man that believed fully was invested in his faith
in Jesus Christ. And you know, the the the moral
structure that he has extrapolated from his belief, his true
belief that Christ was the Messiah and that he died
(10:31):
for our sins and was resurrected and ascended to heaven
at the right hand of God, the Almighty Right. And
so through that creates this sense of morality within the
Word of Christ. And you can argue that, you know,
there are many statements that Christ made that said, we're
not getting rid of all the old stuff too, in
the Old Testament, those structures, but we're gonna we're gonna
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Who Yah. Well, you know, when I again just to
give a deeper frame or reference for the term moral relativism.
You know, there's no one singular person that invented this
that didn't have a specific philosopher or theologian or metaphysics
or you know, existentialists that had it. But it's been
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a concept that's been percolating for thousands of years. You know.
One of the great places that I when I just
looked it up today, they mentioned groc mentioned a Greek
philosopher Protegorus around four ninety BC, and he famously said
this man is the measure of all things, which hints
(13:54):
at the concept, right, and that essentially is saying that you,
as the individual, you build your own framework of sovereignty. Right,
what are you sovereign to? You know, is it an
ideological environment, is it a political environment, is it theological environment,
or is it just your own interpretation of existence yourself?
(14:15):
You know, now beyond that, moral relativism is really kind
of emerged within the philosophical ideas of postmodernism. And you've
got great postmodernists like fu Cout, existentialists like John Paul Sart,
you know, Franz Boas, you know, all highlighting the diverse
(14:36):
nature of moral codes which exist across societies themselves. Now
we all feel this absolutely, especially as within our American culture, right,
and there's been a history of divisions within our own
American culture. But you know, if you're an American, you
travel overseas, which I have, you know, and I'm not,
(14:58):
you know, and to the most cordial places culturally for Americans.
But you know, when I was in Afghanistan multiple times
over a ten year period, and in Pakistan and some
other Muslim countries, it was very distinct. But I even
saw multi you know, different cultural ideas within you know,
(15:19):
my time in Azerbaijan, my time in Afghanistan, in different
regions in Afghanistan, my time in Pakistan, my time in
Kuwait or Bahrain. Right, you see, there are even differences
within Muslim in Islam itself, and there are differences in Judaism,
there are differences in Christianity. I mean, hew, look at
(15:40):
the division between the Catholic and Protestant churches back in
the day, right, I mean the Thirty Years War. Right,
these are conflicts that have been taking place, and you
can say this wherever you go. We're all around the world,
you know. But I think these postmodernistic ideas about more relativism,
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you know, it's it it begins to infect the masses.
In particular, if you're able to generate a narrative around
that that that those who believe they're on this moral
high ground or this this this biblical high ground, if
you will, that somehow, you know, there their interpretation of
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it is is oppressive to you. And I think you know,
we've seen that even take place in our background as well, too, Right,
We've seen that in the Civil War, right that both sides,
whether you were from the South or from the North,
were arguing that we were in a spiritual war, right, right.
(16:45):
And you had people in the South that said, hey,
you're taking slavery, which back then was probably one of
the most common practices historically around the world, right, you know,
was like, hey, this is the way things are, and
you're taking away our core beliefs, our morality. If you will,
and a lot of it was based on a higher
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moral structure of Christian beliefs. And then on the other
side you have the abolitionists, and you had you know,
the progressive modern ideologies of the North and the industrialists saying, no,
you know, all men are created equal and that's God's rights.
Those are the inalienable rights that every man has. But
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they both believed they were in this moral high ground.
They were both believed that they were in the spiritual warfare.
And that's where I think things really begin to get
confusing for so many people. That shooter who assassinated Charlie Kirk,
he felt like he was in the moral high ground.
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He felt like what he was doing was was acting
under his cause. Right. I think you also feel like
the gentleman who stabbed that poor Ukrainian girl, right, he
obviously is like, I am not beholden to any moral structure, right,
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because we don't know what he said other than the
comments before and I got that white girl, right, that's
all we know. But we don't know what his philosophical
ideas other than the fact that it was acceptable to
murder somebody because he didn't like them, or the color
of their skin. We don't know, right, But what my
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point of all that is to say is for those
of you out there that are trying to figure out
what this spiritual war is looking like, you got to
recognize that the people that are on both sides, all sides,
however many sides there are, they believe their stance is
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the appropriate stance, is the right stance. And so what
begins to happen, Well, all you got to do is
look throughout history when societies that are beginning to pull
at the center of what that moral structure looks like,
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things begin to devolve pretty rapidly, right. And you can
see this whether the Roman Empire towards the end, you
can see it in the twentieth century, right, you can
see it in all these different places. And what begins
to happen is is those that have the high ground,
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that understand the nature of evil and understand what what
society or not society that's it's deeper than that maybe civilization.
Maybe I don't even think it's deeper than civilization itself.
Right there, these are the tribal iterable behavioral activities that
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have kept certain groups a lot I have through the centuries,
right through through the millennium. Right, Why do certain tribes
last and other tribes don't, well, because those tribes are
willing to fight this spiritual war. You know. One of
(20:18):
the things as I was contemplating, you know this, this
this show, you know I I one of the things
that really provoked it was there was a presentation that
Charlie Kirk did with Tucker Carlson a while back, and
where he talked specifically about it, and and and Jeordie,
(20:41):
why don't you why don't you play that whole thing? Right?
The clip I sent you right now? Sure eighth is.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The most important thing because for those of us that
are Christians, it doesn't drive you crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You actually see what's going on, which is.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but
against principalities and darkness and spirits, that there is a
spiritual war here. And you're right, Tucker, I find people
in this space that are not anchored to faith, anchored
to Jesus. They do lose their mind because there is
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no rational or reasonable explanation for what the country is
doing to itself or what we are experiencing. But if
you then see and you know that there is a God,
and we are not him. That there is an entire
dimension of angels and demons and spirits that are constantly
struggling struggling around us, and that there is a supernatural
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dimension as you mentioned, all of a sudden, that doesn't
make sense. That it does not make any rational sense
to shut down your schools so you could sacrifice the
kids so the elderly can live.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It makes no sense whatsoever to keep your marri want
of dispensaries open and your alcohol shops open. But the
church non essential. Only a demonic enterprise would do such
a thing. Only a demonic enterprise would say that Easter
and Pentecost are non essential. But race, rioting and burning
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down a Wendy's is a central activity. And Tucker, you
talk about this a lot. For those of us that
know the truth, we know that our God is a
god of order and distinction.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
What is the first thing.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That God did in the Hebrew scripture, as it says
well and also our scripture in the original Genesis bet
as sheets, which is in the beginning, God created the
heavens and the earth, and then he separated and he
made sense. He made order out of chaos. Our God
is a god of order, and order only comes with distinctions,
and distinctions are necessary. Think about all the distinctions that
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God set up in the first six books of Genesis
that are currently under attack. The distinction between male and female,
distinction between man and nature, the distinction between the holy
and the profane, the distinction between good and evil, the
distinction between infant and adults. These distinctions have always been
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what Western civilization were built upon. But it is Satan's
goal to blur and eventually destroy those distinctions because those
distinctions of which we get order, and you do not
have that order, then you have the closest thing to
satanic chaos here.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
All right, So you watch that and he breaks it
down in this really unique way right by these with
this idea of the war of principalities, darkness and spirits. Now,
I know a lot of times people will see people
talk about demons and angels in that capacity and they'll
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be like, hey, man, you just lost me there. Like,
I get there's an attack on morality. I get that,
I feel that. I mean, I'm appalled at what I'm seeing,
But why are you able to describe it like that?
And you know you know. I think when you begin
to think about what principalities mean, right, Principalities are often
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understood in theology as a high ranking spiritual beings or powers,
usually fallen angels or demonic forces that rule over specific
regions or areas of influence Ephesian six, verse twelve, and
the Bible talks about wrestling not just with flesh and blood,
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but with principalities, powers and rulers and darkness. Now, theologians
like Thomas Aquinas saw them as part of a hierarchy
of angels, but when fallen, they opposed God's order, influencing
human affairs and requiring spiritual resistance through prayer and faith.
That's the core of it from a theological standpoint. So
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when you listen to Charlie talk about this and what
we're witnessing, and you heard them, you talk about how
it makes no sense right to shut the schools down
to impede or destroy young children, to protect the elder
a small portion of the elderly right, and that it
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made no sense to keep those dispensaries and liquor stores
open and close the churches unless there was an all
out assault on the places that we knew morality kept
in check. It makes no sense to keep families apart
and death but allow the mobs to destroy the community
(25:43):
by professing some ridiculous fact that certain ethnic minorities are
under assault. Right, And all you got to do is
look at you know, those on the street interviews of
people going up in these rallies and saying, you know
who knew the FBI crime statistics and said, hey, do
you do you know how many in his you know,
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unarmed black men were killed by police officers in twenty nineteen,
and they're like ten thousand, five thousand, seven thousand. The
reality it was twenty seven. I think it was twenty
seven people. I think that pretty sure somewhere around there.
But it was such a diminimus number. And it's like
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three point five million contacts with officers and people in
the country every year, some staggering I might even actually, Jory,
look at how many how many contacts with law enforcement
and people take place annually in the United States? You know,
(26:47):
but you see what people What happens is there's a
distortion of of I don't know, the truth, statistics whatever,
and what ends up, I mean as people start to
exist within that that the loose structure of morality and
or justification and and and all it takes is a
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little bit of chaos in a person's framework right to
get begin to him to tear down the order with
which they construct right hardcore morality and and and that's
really the battle, right. I think Jordan Peterson talks about
(27:32):
it pretty extensively, which is the battle between order and chaos.
You know, when he the ideation of He's got this
beautiful lecture about the ideation of God right in the
first book of Genesis, and and and what that metaphorically
is saying is that all humanity is perpetually wrestling with
that fact, right. And I think Charlie clearly defined that
(27:55):
right by his commentary about distinctions between different things things,
and the distinctions are what create the framework that we
build morality against out of right, instead of the chaos,
the destruction or the pulling apart of those things which
hold the fabric of society or civilization together. You know,
(28:19):
any good for you if you will to let me
hear it. Let's hear it. So.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Per year, police contacts with people ages sixteen and up
are around fifty to sixty million people per years, and
in twenty nineteen, like you referenced, out of about one
thousand and four people shot and killed by police, thirteen
unarmed black people were shot and killed.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
How many white people were shot and killed by unarmed
white dudes? That might be the twenty seven So as
thirteen black people unarmed blacks were killed by police officers
in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Wow, okay, yeah, so it's got to be a lot
more than thirteen.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It looks like.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
At least four hundred and twenty one people were shot
and killed by the police who are known to be unarmed,
but it's not giving me specifics of the thing on.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Whether they were white. Yeah, okay, a lot more. I'll
just a lot more and that, and that makes sense
by population as well too. But thirteen is a pretty
low number again going back to the how these statistics
are pushed off to build into these narratives, right, you know,
And one of the things that I really that hit
me heavily in that clip that you watched with him, right,
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it's this it's this attack on the framework, right, and
he talks about the first six books of Genesis. Right,
it's attack on a framework. And when you think about this,
even if you're not religious in nature? You know, what
are the fundamental truths? What are the truths that you
know hold it together? Because right now I think everybody
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is feeling, oh my god, civilizations unraveling, society is unraveling.
There's a there's a race war, there's a religion war,
a religious war, there's a political war. There's a war
between the poor and the rich, the elites. There's all
these wars taking place. And so what are the foundational
things that are that are emerging out of that? Right?
(30:19):
We see there's a war, there's there's people that want
to tear down the most pinnacle thing of all of it, right,
which is the distinct difference between a man and a woman.
And what those roles are? You know, And if you're not,
if you don't believe in and Adam and Eve or
(30:41):
or or or that, and you are an evolutionary biologist
or you're evolutionists, right, what you do recognize is is
all right, even then that biology is intact. Right, So
what happens what that's I mean, that's the pinnacle. If
you start tearing that apart, you tear part the fabric
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of of existence itself. And there's a concerted effort to
tear a part that. Now, if you're a person and
you want to believe whatever you want to believe about yourself,
that's good, but you're not going to force me to
believe it. Right, I'm not gonna assault you or attack
(31:24):
you or dispell you unless you cross the line. Right
by by forcing my hand, forcing my mind, you're forcing
me to submit to your ideology or or as as
em talks about your psychosis or your pharmacau or no
(31:44):
what cause it the I forget right now, but you
know you're your underlying component of where you are psychologically. Right.
The other is like the idea that somehow children can
make decisions for themselves. Right to go in there and
pulch children away from their parents, to create an idea
that children are independent in their thinking capabilities. But yet
(32:08):
all the science proves that a human being's mind isn't
even fully developed, or they're twenty six to twenty nine
years old. But we want a ten year old girl
or boy to make a decisions to irrepiably damage their
physical selves, their mental seals, their emotional sells. And now
you look at some of the laws that have been
just passed in California, it's that that is breaking down
(32:32):
the framework of the most I think the most sacred
bond that exists, right, which is between a parent and
their child and the need, the necessity, the innate. I'll
tell you one thing, man, if my children were ever
hurt or child or anything like that, like all bets
(32:55):
are off, I completely say, you know what, I'm done.
I'm done plane by the rules, the moral rules, because
you break the you broke the Covenment covenant, which is
children are the most protected class in the planet. But somehow,
some way, there is an insiduous state of immorality, moral relevstic,
(33:20):
you know, ideology that's trying to infect my children with
this this breakdown of these sacred structures. Right, Well, what strateges.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
That it's only uh, it's selectively giving children authority over
their own decisions. They can't buy they can buy alcohol,
they can't join the military, can't buy a gun, can't
do all kinds it, can't rent a car, but they
can make certain other decisions about their hormonal makeup.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
That's right, that's right, and that's intentional, right right, because
you you want to give them enough power to crack
those that are holding together this moral framework, this this
spiritual framework. Right, then you have what the holy versus
the profane that he calls, right, and that's the old
(34:10):
Sodom and Gomorrah story. Right, that's when you see, you know,
these these areas of complete decadence and decay, societal decay.
What happens when when there's no more rules, the people
that are are are devout in nature, they suffer the
most and they become victims of this this decay, right,
(34:33):
this moral decay, this unrestricted, unregulated moral decay.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I might I might frame that slightly, just to switch
it a little bit. I think that it's not that
you get rid of the holy. I think that you
just replace it. Right, you start worshiping when you when
you when you flip the good and the true and
the beautiful things as what we worship, and we start
worshiping things like power, money, sex, things like that, and you.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Flip the golden calf.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
That's right, golden calf, right, and that's pain is now
the good. And so it's interesting, it's more of an inversion.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And what what I think, what I think the big
struggle with people right now is is you know, and
I think COVID you know, broke something loose because people
begin to realize whoa the institutions that we have been
uh growing up to believe are are into are are
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what is the word I'm looking for? That are sacred? Right? Right?
That are sacred? Now we know, oh, they're not sacred.
And so I think that's what's taking place, and people
are trying to figure out, well, what what is taking
Is there a war? What kind of war is this?
And where is it coming? Why are there people intentionally
(35:52):
trying to promote pornography, drug use? Uh uh open calls
for violence. I mean, it's remarkable to see the magnitude
of people that applauded the assassination of Charlie Right and
(36:12):
how like more people are calling for who's next and
who's who's gonna who's or who we get next? I mean,
that's what this is, right, and they believe they have
the moral high ground.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think the next question really is, all right, how
do we fight back? Or how do you fight back?
I know how I fight back, but I want to
know how people want to know how am I supposed
to fight back. One of the greatest things that we
saw as a result the last week, as we saw
this magnificent rise in action, right, thirty three thousand requests
(36:54):
into Turning Point USA to start new new organizations in
schools and universities all across the country. Thirty three thousand
requests thirty three love that right old Christ's age when
he sacrificed for our beliefs.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
To put that in perspective, I think the existing ones
were in the low thousands.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yes, yeah, I mean this is a staggering number. Stagger right.
I want to know what the numbers are for first
time church attendees. Right, there are all these videos out
there about people putting on suits and going into church
for the first time. I know dozens of people I
know that we're like, we're going to church this weekend.
So that alone is phenomenal, you know. I think that's
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the first place you fight back is to clearly establish
what you believe in, to define your beliefs. Now. I
do this exercise with my private coaching clients sometimes because
every now and then, and you know, one of my
(38:01):
clients is you know, as I've said before, I focus
on the physical, the mental, emotional, and the spiritual, and
most people never even want to touch their spiritual you know,
identities at all, because it's just it's very difficult. You
have to take these blind leaps of faith, and I
think a lot of people are afraid of that. So
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the exercise I do is is I have people, in
one hour, right, go up, get a whiteboard or a
giant poster board, sit down in a quiet space, get
rid of your phone, get everybody out, Just sit there, calmly,
and in one hour, draw out or write out your
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belief systems or your belief system right, what do you
actually believe in? So for me, I would start in
the middle, I draw you know this this, I draw
this you know, rectangle or or square if you will,
and I in the middle of that square, I would
put Jesus Christ right. And so in that square, then
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all of a sudden I come off and I write
these other things in there. And so for me, how
I built that out as I had right, I had
I had Peter, I had Paul, I had the apostles right,
and then I had Christ's word himself right. And so
there all of a sudden, there now off that what
are their stories? And then from there where does it go?
(39:29):
And then over here I do a foundation, maybe a
pillar of family right, I do a pillar of family?
What does family mean? Right? Right? Then I do within
that pillar, I say, all right, how do I teach
or train my children? Right? Over here, I go up
my pillar as a husband? What does it mean to
be a husband? Right? Then my pillar over here as
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a friend? Like, what are my responsibilities? What type of messaging?
What type of support do I give the people I
love most? Right? And that's everything from how do I
lift them up? How do I give them grace? How
do I give them a second chance? Right? How do
I how do I teach them? How do I lead them?
How do I how do I follow them? Right? And
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then over here how do I do that in a community? Right?
How do I do that? With my meaning in life? Right?
And then from there, well, what is the meaning of
my life? And what do I need? What is my purpose? Right?
And because I know the foundation is Jevus Christ's pretty
pretty quick to get to the place. Well, my meaning
and purpose in life is to talk about Jesus Christ
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and how it can impact you in a positive way,
how it can give you redemption because he died for
your sins. Right. So then within that right, how do
I rehabilitate my own sinful mind, because certainly, man, I
have been a sinner in my life. There's no doubt
I have sinned my life, like horrifically sinned. And I'm
not here to judge any other sinner. But what I
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am here to do is I build out this this
picture of my belief systems. And then the second part
of that. Once you've done that exercise, right, then why
I want you to bring in your children, your spouse,
a friend, a loved one, I don't care who it is,
and I want you to teach them in one hour
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your belief systems. Because when you teach somebody what you
believe in, you're testing your knowledge, faith, your knowledge base, right,
You're testing whether or not you've really thought through this structure,
this foundation. And so often I think that's why we
see such a mental health crisis in this country, is
(41:41):
that people's foundations are built upon sand. And we understand
based on the parable of the sower of seeds, we
recognize that when you try and plant seeds in the sand,
what happens, or you try and build the foundation of
your church and saying what happens? And that's the problem.
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People aren't sure what they believe in. So that's what
you have to do, right because once you have that
core system, those beliefs, now you know what's worth fighting for.
Now you know how you're going to begin to wage war,
right or matter, you know why you're gonna wage war.
(42:23):
The how is the next step, right, But you know
why you're gonna wage war for what because of these pillars,
Because of this foundation. You know what's important. You know
the virtues and the value systems. You understand the certain
core tenets or principles or the different versus that you
(42:44):
pin to these different things. Right, to get in that
scripture and to recognize, hey, this is the structure because
so often here's the deal in the world we live in. Man,
there's so many things pulling you away from that. And
that's the spiritual warfare. On the other side, that temptation,
the temptation for money, the temptation for power, the temptation
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for the easy way, the temptation for lust or greed
or whatever it is. Man, that thing that pulls you
away from that foundation. And that's what it is. Man.
But you cannot begin to wage that war unless you
know distinctly. And that's what Charlie Kirk talks about the
(43:31):
distinctions unless you know distinctly what you believe in and why.
So as you're trying to figure out, you know, how
to wage this war and how to fight back against
this persecution of ideas, you know, one of the things
that goes back to the idea of that word and
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where it comes from and what it can do for
you, you know, is to get into that those verses, get
into that scripture. So you know, Geordie, I know you
always talk about those verses, you know, and I know
it before we got on, you talked about some ideas
about how do you combat that persecution? So what do
(44:12):
you got, man? What are some of the verses that
really stand out for you?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Yeah, it's confusing for everyone, and no one really knows
where to start if you're honest with yourself, and so
a great place to start is just to see what
the Bible itself talked about about persecution. I think the
first thing is that to note that persecution was predicted
in John fifteen twenty. It says, remember what I told you,
A servant is not greater than his master. If they
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persecuted me, they will persecute you. Also, I was Jesus Christ,
so it's coming. Thelob also talks about strength in persecution.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
This is.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
The Lord is my light and my salvation. Whom shall
I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life.
Of whom shall I be afraid? Next is talking about
how we should respond to persecution. This is Matthew five
forty four. Love your enemies and pray for those who
persecute you. It's probably the hardest one to hear right now.
(45:17):
Pray for the people to persecute you. Absolutely, And there's
messages about hope and persecution. You will be hated by
everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm
to the end will be saved. Now I've just got
two more quick ones that I think are really nice.
How should we think about persecution? This is James, one
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of my favorite verses in the Bible, James, chapter one,
verse two to three. Consider it pure joy, my brothers
and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because
you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.
And then the finally, the last thing is everyone's warning
about justice. What we see justice? Well, the Bible talks
about this in Romans chapter twelve, verse nineteen Paul says,
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do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room
for God's wrath. For it is written it is mine
to avenge, I will repay, says the Lord.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I think every one of those is packed with so
many lessons, you know, And that's again the challenge as
you try and figure out how to wage this warfare
or even how to understand it right, is to recognize
that there's a component that we are being persecuted, right,
and that persecution is the essence of whatever that evil
(46:36):
is or that moral relativism. And that's why it's imperative
that you go back and you are able to define
your beliefs in those verses are the ideas that you
can use to really kind of begin to structure that
out for you and to figure out why those verses came,
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about what the meaning behind them, and then to think
about your life and think about how you're feeling persecuted
in relative terms to those verses, because that that that
becomes your shield and your sword are those verses in
that Word of God. So as you begin to really
continue down that path and learning learning really how to
(47:19):
how to put that uh that that belief structure in
place in order to begin, uh really fighting back. Those
are some great places to start as well. Man, I
got on a call with uh Sean the other day
and after all this went down, and we were just
you know, going round and round, and one of the
(47:41):
things that we just kept going around is just, you know,
all of the nonsense that was engulfed in this this
the perceived warfare that was taking these other side conflicts
within the internet and on x and all these other places,
in these little battles, you know. And that's the hard part.
(48:09):
That's what you're struggling with. I know you are. It's like,
all right, what battle? Where do I go? Where do
I wage it? How do I start? But you can't
start to wage war unless you know why you're going
to war. So that's what I'm asking you to do.
I'm asking you to figure out why you want to
(48:31):
go to war, right, if you're willing, if you think
in your heart that yeah, this is it, this is
this is the line in the scene. If we don't start,
you know, confronting this evil face to face, we're going
to lose it. All. Oh yeah, all right, well what
are you fighting for? Because I'm going to tell you
(48:55):
when it gets ugly, and it it will get ugly.
Guarant it's gonna get ugly. I mean, an assassination of
a person like Charlie Kirk, that's about as ugly as
it gets. Next to trying the assassination of a president
or a political figure, or waging war against the whole populations.
I mean, that's happening. This is all happening. It's not
(49:17):
a lie, it's not fake, it's not fabricated. This is real.
So this is happening. So if that's it, and you
are saying we are in a spiritual warfare, then you
better believe why you want to go to war. So
that's what I'm asking you. Figure out what your belief
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system is, map it out, and if you need help,
seek somebody else that's done this. Seek out somebody that
has the time and the investment in this process that
can articulate in a way that makes sense. One of
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the things that helped me, because my journey towards this
belief system was not easy, was I realized that what
Christ did is he overwhelmed the enemy with his words,
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and his word is the gospel, and the gospel is good,
and his word is God's word, and that word brought
order out of chaos. So if you're going to fight
(50:56):
the spiritual warfare, start I use in the word, and
that's the word of Jesus Christ. Thank you God, bless you, God,
bless our country. I just wish you all the best.
(51:16):
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