September 20, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and emotionally charged breakdown of the ongoing fallout from the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Broadcasting live from New York City, Clay and Buck open the hour reflecting on the national shock and grief surrounding Kirk’s death, emphasizing the widespread impact he had on young conservatives and the broader political landscape.
The hosts explore the ideological motivations behind the assassination, highlighting disturbing reports that the shooter was romantically involved with a transgender individual and may have been radicalized through far-left online communities. They discuss the FBI’s investigation into whether the attack was premeditated and potentially part of a broader ideological movement, raising concerns about what they term “trans terrorism” and the need for federal counter-terrorism task forces to address this emerging threat.
Throughout the hour, Clay and Buck draw parallels between this moment and post-9/11 political awakenings, arguing that Kirk’s murder represents a clarion call for conservatives to confront moral decay and ideological extremism. They criticize the celebratory reactions from some on the political left, including educators and healthcare professionals, and push back against attempts to falsely label the assassin as a right-wing extremist.
The show also touches on President Trump’s response, noting his emotional connection to Kirk and his continued public appearances despite surviving an assassination attempt himself. Senator Marsha Blackburn is previewed as a guest in Hour 3 to discuss Trump’s deployment of the National Guard to Memphis, Tennessee, amid rising crime rates.
Listeners are reminded of Charlie Kirk’s legacy, especially his effectiveness in reaching young audiences through college campus debates and digital platforms like TikTok and YouTube. The hour closes with heartfelt listener messages and a tribute to Kirk’s wife, Erica, whose strength and grace were praised during Friday’s memorial.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, Monday edition. We
hope all of you had fantastic weekends. We are together
in New York City. A lot going on this week,
a lot going on over the course of the weekend.
I hope that you got to spend time with your
friends and your family after what was frankly an absolutely
(00:24):
brutal last week. The fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination continues.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're going to give you the absolute latest on that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Will also continue to take your calls and talkbacks. Senator
Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee is going to join us in
the third hour, as Trump has announced that he is
calling the National Guard out for Memphis, Tennessee, which is,
according to a lot of data sets out there, the
most violent city in America on a per capita basis.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We will talk about that, but Buck, I would say this.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I was in Knoxville, Tennessee for the Georgia Tennessee football game,
which is a great game until Tennessee shank the kick
to lose. Governor Brian Camp immediately texted me right after.
He was like, boy, Greig, he's a huge Georgia Bulldog fan.
Great game. It's like, thanks Governor. I'm a big Tennessee fan,
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but people came up to me, Buck. Everybody who came
up to me wanted to talk about Charlie Kirk. No,
I mean at the game. At the game where ninety
nine point nine percent of the time when I'm at
a football game, people want to almost exclusively talk about sports.
Everybody who came up to me wanted to talk about
Charlie Kirk and the impact that he had had on
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their life. And what I think is the continued fallout
of I have to be honest with you, Buck. I
knew that there would be a segment because there always
is on social media of people that are awful and
react to tragedy by celebrating and marinating in the awfulness.
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I'm still stunned about the extent of the celebratory reaction
to his assassination, and I didn't have high expectations for
how the left would respond. But when I see the
number of people who are teachers talking about, you know,
not university professors, certainly a lot of university professors, which
I'm less surprised by because we've kind of seen this
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a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
District attorneys pediatric nurses, doctors. You know what this is
showing you everybody in every profession out there is possibly
an anti Charlie Kirk Lohn Like, you can't say, oh, well,
this person operates in the real world, so they they
would never I can trust my doctor, I could trust
my next door neighbor. No, you don't know until you
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know whether somebody has failed this most basic test of morality.
I think that's what's so it's one thing Clay to
see the usual imbeciles in the media, and they're all
they're all losing ground, they're all losing relevance that that's
been going on. So it's not surprising. It's still grotesque,
but not surprising for them. What I think, though, is
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such a shock to people is the the widespread nature
of this that there are so many people out there
who are just like everyday people. That's what they're just
you know, it could be could be a homemaker, could
be somebody who runs a local hardware store, and they're
saying absolutely insane things in response to the assassination of
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Charlie kirk who was, as we've talked about, not just
a political and social phenomenon, but a dad, a husband,
a son, somebody who was incredibly decent and kind to people.
So that that I think has been something of an awakening.
It does remind me Clay a little bit of after
nine to eleven there just from my own political awakening
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and and why I decided, like why do I go
in the CIA and not go into Wall Street like
all my peers did. And it was in part because
after nine to eleven, one we had been attacked, but two,
I had a recognition that there were a lot of
people around the world and here at home who after
nine to eleven their attitude was we got what was
coming to us. Yeah, we deserved it, or there even
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should be if you're talking about globally, there should be
more of it. And so there was a call, a
literal call to arms, for so many of us to
go and fight. I think this is for conservatism here
at home. This is also turning into a moment of
clarity that we won't be able to shake.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It's a clarion call in some ways. Right, It's like
we're all now recognizing you mentioned this, Clay, I just had.
I went across the street were Clay and I are
here in New York, went across the street to get
a coffee, and someone came up to me and said,
I love what you guys are doing. And he said,
I'm so sad about Charlie, and he said, you need
to keep doing what you're doing. Yes, Charlie would want that.
That's part of That's part of what I'm hearing from
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everybody too. He was our friend, but he was also
our peerod we were on the same team. What we
wanted for the country is what Charlie wanted for the country,
And so I'm hearing that for from a lot of
people as they come up to me. But we have
to understand the reality of the opposition and where they
are on these things, and the lack of decency and
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the lack of basic morality, and we have to confront this.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
One hundred percent of all of that is true. It's
also important, and we're going to do our absolute best
to keep you updated on all of the details. I'm
sure you saw they have put I think they recognize
on the left that a lot of normal people, let's
leave aside the crazy celebrations. I think a lot of
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normal people who are apolitical. The idea that you would
celebrate a dad getting assassinated at a free speech event.
It does turn off huge segment of let's call just
the normal people in America who aren't paying attention to
politics on a daily basis. But just say, my god,
you're celebrating pure evil. Whatever you think about Charlie, he's
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got a three year old, he's got a one year old,
he's got a widow. Now, the idea that anybody would
celebrate any dad's death, ever, I think for both of
us as dads, is just awful. I mean, just leave
aside all of the rest of it. They recognize. I
think there's a recognition on some elements of the left
that they that they can't turn off the crazy in
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their party, and so they have tried to argue and
I think we should dive into some of this. Oh,
this guy was actually a right winger, and they have
probably have heard some of this, and I think we
need to address this in detail, because there is a
concerted effort to just lie by the motivation of this
(06:52):
killer of this thing.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
A big thing that we haven't gotten to, A big
reveal from over the weekend is that it has been
reported from multiple sources and confirmed from high up that
the shooter the assassin was in a romantic relationship with
a transitioning as in a trans individual. Now that trans
individual is cooperating with the FBI at last reporting. But
(07:15):
that I think goes to ideology, It goes to motive,
It goes to an understanding of this guy was in
a relationship with a trans person, I mean physical like
a romantic relationship with a transperson. And the more you
dig into the ideology, the more this aligns with trans.
You know he is he was not trans. But the
single clay this goes back for a long time. I
(07:38):
was told by one of the National Review guys. I
won't say who it was, but you know, I actually
like a lot of those guys. I know some of
them have gone very little anti Trump, but some of
them are very good dudes. But I was told by
one of them a long time ago, I'm talking a
decade ago, that he was he'd been writing for Deck,
he himself and working in this politics commentary for decades,
said he was shocked at how he got more death
(08:00):
threats writing about the trans issue than anything, yes, than
cops and race issues and abortion and the trans issue
was the thing that gott and this was going back
now many years this was like Obama administration era, and
I never forgot that. And we're seeing now if you're
looking for left wing radicalism, if you're looking for what
(08:22):
is the center of that, of that that challenged that
problem that you know, dragon that must be dealt with
here it is the trans issue and at a lesser level,
I think some of the cop and race stuff that
comes up, but those are the two that will get you.
People on the left who will go the most violent
(08:43):
the fastest isn't also from other climate change, which they
told us was an existential threat. No one even thinks
about this anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
My point is that they shift from one delusion to another,
and this is the delusion of the moment that they
will become violent over There.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Are a lot of evidence points out there, and again
the FBI is in the process of going through this
that suggests that multiple members of the trans community were
posting that Charlie was going to get killed at this
location at this point in time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Now, how often does that happen?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I think it's fair to say, is this occurring when
they're regularly? In other words, are there lots of people
when he's speaking at ex University that are going on
social media and saying, well, something's going to happen there.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But these posts were up that are saying something is happening.
He's going to get killed at this location. And the
FBI is now investigating whether this may have been a
part of a larger plan. Again, remember he was shot
as the question was being asked about.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Felt very I mean, the timing of it felt way too,
way too big a coincidence for it to actually be
a coincidence. And we're certainly I know that was asked
of Deputy by Gino on Fox this morning and he said,
we're you know. He all he can say, and he's right,
is we're looking at it. We're looking at everything, and
that is what they're doing right now. But this is Clay.
(10:11):
I mean, I can tell you when I was in
the NYPD Intelligence Division, I would say ninety five, which
is counter terrorism, and they've changed the terms and now
it's bureau. But put all that aside, ninety five ninety
eight percent. I want to say one hundred percent, but
I just don't want to be a you know that
that definitive was jihatas terrorism. That's what we were working on.
(10:32):
But you know that they had just to just to
be fair, just to make sure that everyone knew that
they were. They had a white supremacist cell there, you know,
group that looked at them. They were very bored. It
had almost nothing to do. Would always help us with
our work, but they did assign people. Now they also
had people looking to be fair at ANTIFUSS stuff too,
because they had already started to become a violent group.
(10:53):
But I'm saying, as somebody who's worked in counter terrorism,
how let me let me pose this question, which I'm
obviously leading to an answer here, how many mass casualty
ideologically based attacks do we have to have before there
is an understanding and a treatment of this issue as
systemic as in trans terrorism is a threat that the
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country must deal with the face.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now, I think we're past that point that far exactly
where you're.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Going exactly every the FBI. This needs to be treated
like a task force. This needs to be treated like
the with the urgency that it should have. And you
know we're going to have all the same all the
civil rights and they're going to say, you're looking at
this community. You know, we went through this with the
jihattist stuff we've gone through, and they tried to go
through this with Trump voters and January sixth, right, they
(11:42):
use the counter terrorism apparatus against non violent grandmas who
walked into a building that they were waved into. Because
we saw the video. I know there were some people
who are violent with cops. A lot of people are
violent with cops and don't even spend a single day
in jail as long as they're Democrats.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Including the entire BLM era, all.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Of it, all of it right. But we are a
point now, and this is why this is an ideological
challenge for the country. We can't go past this, and
I think that's what the assassination of our friend Charlie
Kirk has made it iniscapable for anyone who is paying attention.
We have a real challenge here. It is widespread. This
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is the same thing played with with jihadist ideology. There
were the suicide bombers, but then there were the facilitators,
and then there were the spiritual sanctionars, and then there
were the you know, you go through these concentric circles
of who is involved and who is pushing what and
how are they a part of this? Movement. Go on discord,
go online, You'll see a lot of people that are
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saying this.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Stuff red and Blue Sky is crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Is insane? Blue Sky. The night of Charlie's assassination, I
was on it. It was the most horrifying thing I've
ever read in my life. Honestly, it was completely insane.
And now we're going to get into this First Amendment debate,
right They're going to say what's allowed, what's not well,
incitement to violence is not allowed, material support to terrorism
is not allowed. We need to start looking at this
issue with the same kind of focus that has been
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used at other times when we faced an ideological threat.
And that is what we are under right now as
a country. And that is just the truth. And I'll
debate that issue with anybody who wants to debate.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
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Welcome, all right, Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're
here in New York City, and we all obviously tackling
the biggest stories still out there, which is the Charlie
Kirk assassination, the aftermath, what it is showing us about
the country we live in, and how we have to continue.
We have to continue this fight for the truth in
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public squares, for free speech, true free speech. We will
not let the terrorists win. Clay, I do think that
word needs to be used more here. I was just saying,
there should be cells that are starting to specialize how
many mass shootings by either a trans individual or someone
motivated by the trans ideology have to happen before This
is something specifically that launched now, it might already be
(15:36):
happening in some places. I'm not in the FBI. I'm
not in the counter terrorism division of a major police
department anymore, but I certainly hope that that is going
on or is about to be going on, because it
was terrorism, we use it. The term assassination is correct,
but the term terrorism is also correct. This was a
murder for ideological purposes. Just a programming note here. We
(15:58):
got Senator Marshall black burnaby with us on the in
the third hour of the show to talk about the
National Guard heading to Memphis. You know, I know, this
whole thing has been truly heartbreaking for President Trump and
his kids, who are all very close, particularly Don Junior,
but all of them were very close with Charlie. But Clay,
he's also he's attending them. He's going to be attending
the memorial coming up. He's he's doing all that he
(16:20):
can to honor Charlie. The administration, though, is also keeping
the foot on the accelerator to make sure that they
are They have I think a renewed sense of purpose
on some of these issues, saving lives, taking taking all
measures they can to defeat the honestly, the evil forces
of the left. I mean, this feels more like a
good versus evil struggle than anytime I can remember.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Also, it has to.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
For President Trump, his ability to move past what happened
to him in Butler, Pennsylvania is frankly superhuman. Yes, the
way that he's continued to appear in big events, the
fact that he has not appeared to have any sort
of fear associated with somebody else trying to do that
to him, trying to kill him again after the double
(17:06):
assassination attempts, it has to in some way be evocative,
and I would think traumatic on some level for him
to have seen what just happened to Charlie. I just
don't see any way that could. And again, Trump is
a dad. I think most of you who are dads
and moms out there, the thing that many of us
(17:28):
are unable to get past is the fact that Charlie
was thirty one and has a three year old in
a one year.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Old makes me down every time we start to talk.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Honestly, anybody out there the first time, this is something
that I don't think you can prepare for. But every
one of you knows that feeling of when you have
a kid. The first thing you think is I just
want to get him or her to adulthood and we'll
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Speaker 1 (18:56):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, buck Sexton show a lot
of you weighing in on a variety of different angles
relating to the Charlie Kirk story.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
We're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Into this probably next hour, Buck, and we'll take some
of your talkbacks right now.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
But I think it's incredibly important.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
For all of you to know that there is a
calculated decision made to try and make it seem And
I know this is going to sound crazy to a
lot of you, but I think it's important. You know,
like I say, I read the New York Times and
all the crazy left wing talks, so you don't have
to me watching Morning Joe. It's like Buck watching Morning Joe.
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We try to make you aware of what everybody is
saying across the political spectrum. Over the weekend, there was
a calculated attempt to try to make this assassin seem
like he was a Trump supporting right winger. I even
saw a prominent left wing accounts Buck trying to say
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Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn't right wing enough.
That was one of the arguments they were trying to make.
Now it is collapsing because there is no evidence to
support that. But if you have left wing friends, they
may be marinating in this universe where they're claiming that
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this violence came from the right.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It did not.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Okay, this guy, Just to kind of lay out a
couple of facts, this guy had a family that tended
to be conservative, that is true. He went off to
college and seems to have lost his mind. He was
a smart kid, thirty four on the ACT. I was
reading about him four point zero GPAs thirty four in
the AC that just carried out a thirty six. So
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it's like a ninety ninth percentile caliber score, so one
in one thousand level standardized test score. So the kid
was smart and then got lost in left wing ideology.
As you pointed out, is living with and has I
don't even know what you would call it.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Is dating a trans person.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
But it's not like a boyfriend or a girl. I
don't even know. He's dating a dude who's pretending to
be a chick. Now is that right?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That that is correct? Yes, So he is decided a
sexual relationship with a man who who who present presents
as female or whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
All of the reports about the engravings on the bullets.
As we walked through our left wing slogan, I.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Believe the girlfriend boy I'm sorry the boy whatever he is,
the trans Uh you know partner is also a furry.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, No, I'm just I'm just thinking how we are
going to explain to this audience.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I will be honest with you, I do not this
is that that reaches There's this whole online discord some
of the words that are being used for the trans stuff.
I'm actually learning some new things about that because I
don't and furries I am only familiar with in a
very limited fashion. Yes, so somebody who dresses up as
(22:02):
a Again, guys, I understand this is actually true.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
True.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I'm not making this forward to Buck explaining furries to
this audience.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Furry is someone who dresses up as a woodland creature
for sexual purposes.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That is, that is the truth is it. Does it
have to be a woodland character? Could you be like
a care bear?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think that. I think that is.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That is what You're in the same kind of idea
like you dress up as an animal. Basically you are
dressing up as an animal.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
As like a like a Disney sort of character, but
not a like an animal Disney. We have reached the
limit of my knowledge, thank thankfully, thankfully, I'm not very
well versed in this world either.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But my point on this is all of the bullets.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Because you're not You're not emotionally psychologically normal. If I'm
talking about now the assassin, If this is what you're
what you're going for, there's there's problems here.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I would say you are not psychologically normal if you
are a guy and you are dating a man that
is deciding to transition to a woman, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Who dresses up like a like a bunny rabbit.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It's fun, super fricking weird. This guy's mental crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And there is a lot of evidence as well that
again he was a super far left winger mentally unstable, clearly,
and there is a lot of evidence out there that
many different people in the trans community in the state.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Of Utah, which does exist, by the way, we're.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Aware that something was going to happen here, and so
I think it's very important for you all to understand
there is a calculated attempt because of how embarrassing this
is and how awful this is for the lesson.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I don't want to take the hit ice logically they
want to. Don't want to, Yeah, they want to claim
that this is this is not on their side, so
to speak. And I just note, you know, they've tried
for a very long time to say that the guy
who shot Gabby Giffords was right wing. I mean that
guy was a pink elephants in the sky, paranoid schizophrenic
of no particular ideological cohesion whatsoever. I mean, you couldn't
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figure out. But they try very hard to make that
because we have a long list now of very left
wing people who There was the guy who was yelling
ran Paul Senator Paul pull Us on this show. The
guy was screaming, this is for healthcare, yes. And he
was a Bernie, a Bernie bro shooting at those congressional
members conservatives? He said, are these conservative members of Congress?
(24:38):
When he was walking to the baseball field with that
rifle shot, Steve Scalise tried to murder everybody there but Clay.
They don't want this to they don't want this to
sort of seep into the American consciousness because the second
it does, there's a radicalizing effect here toward we have
to deal with this problem. Yes, and you just mentioned
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people that I have known about this in advance. I
would just say, what what does it tell you if
there were other people either supportive of or within the
trans ideology.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And this is very clearly.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I mean, you think about people, people have committed ideological
acts of terrorism for the environment, people for for far
less than the so called genocide against the trans community
that the left believes is going on. So now we
look at okay, who knew that something was coming and
didn't say anything, Who knew that Charlie Kirk was in
danger and didn't go to the authorities. Now you can
(25:32):
claim one way, they're, oh, well, maybe that doesn't rise
to criminal culpability. Maybe they yeah, let's take a look
at that. And I know director director Patel and deputy
director Bongino are going to be as they should take
a look at that, because how could this be any
different than you know, someone saying, you know what, I'm
building a bomb and I'm gonna go put it in
a in a synagogue, something we dealt with when I
was the NYPD. How is it any different than that
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lack of basic humanity to say that I'm going to
try to stop this from happening in innocence from being.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think also what you're gonna see is some of
these places online and again we'll get into this. Some
of these places online are crazy echo chambers, and when
you go into these communities, they radicalize you because you
lose the capability of understanding the real world. I thought
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the governor of Utah actually did a good job of this.
And I know so many of you have kids and
grandkids and you worry about this. The radicalizing impact of
an entirely online culture.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Getting out into the real world is actually healthy.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
He has said some not so good things too, as
you know, I'm just just we're going to get hit
on that unless we point out that this it is
not a side both sides. The second someone does the
both sides thing, you know, shut it down, no way.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
But I do think this is something that I spend
a lot of time with as a dad, and I
know a lot of you as parents and grandparents. How
do you get your kids off your phone and how
do you get your kids into the real world. This
is why somebody sent me an email and I thought
it was really well said. You know, getting kids involved
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in sports and getting kids involved in extracurricular activities. I
think in an internet age is more important than it
ever has been in the past because it forces them
to have that face to face interaction in the real
world which takes you out of the crazy echo chambers
of the Internet, which radicalize you and make you think
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that what you are working towards is normal.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So you couldn't do what this if you were an
even vaguely psychologically stable and had anything resembling a conscience,
you couldn't do what this person did to Charlie Kirk.
If you recognized him as a human being and a
dad and a father, yes you couldn't do that. Yes,
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the way and this I've seen this. I go back
to the days when Clay we had a whole unit
going into look I was in a CIA. We used
to see what these gihatis were saying online, what they
thought they were saying, and encryptid comms what they thought
they were saying on cell phones. I mean, so you
really get in the headspace. Dehumanization is critical in the
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mass delusion, and they dehumanize Charlie Kirk. They turned him
into an avatar of some you know, anti transgenocidal evil.
When reality first, I mean, put aside even the arguments
about what he was saying and everything else. He's a dad,
he's a husband, he's a son, he's a neighbor, he's
an American, he's a good person. You know, all of
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that gets swept aside because in these ideological echo chambers,
it turns into he is something that must be dealt
with instead of he's a human being. And I've seen
this with terrorism over and over again.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I think that's really well said. I would also point
this out, and this is what is so and we're
going to play a couple of year talk bacts here
in a sec before we get here, is what I
would say too. It's one thing for a crazy person
to kill someone. Unfortunately, crazy people will be killing people
for all of our lives. And beyond, what I can't
(29:13):
get out of my head buck is if you go
watch that video at the moment that the shot was
fired at that Utah free speech event, there is a
guy who stands up and cheers. I don't know how
many of you have seen that. He's at this Charlie
Kirk event. He hears the gunshot ring out, he immediately
(29:33):
stands up and cheers as if his favorite team has
just scored a touchdown. That reaction is natural. His brain
is already so polluted that Charlie Kirk is so dehumanized
to him that he shows up at that event. And
when Charlie Kirk is shot, the instant that he falls back,
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that man. Everybody else is duck looking down. Have you
seen that video that guy stands up? We should share
it on Clay and Buck because I think it's so
dark that guy stands up and cheers. Let me play
this for you. AA June says, thanks for last week.
Let's play her.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
I'm a sixty five year old woman, a widow with
four grown children, ten grandchildren. Listen to you guys every
day while I'm working remotely from home. Love you guys.
I feel like you're my family, and I just want
to let you guys know that you were a major help.
I did not feel all alone listening to you guys
this week. It was an emotional week to begin with,
(30:37):
before the thing with Charlie even happened. The whole thing
with the poor young woman, well.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
We really appreciate that and we feel the same way,
and honestly, we were relying on all of you and
leaning on you and using your shoulder for support too
with your calls, but just knowing that you're out there listening,
and you're with us in this whole process. Clay and
I always say, we don't need therapy because we have
this show. So it was a two way street. It
was a two way street keeping each other steady and
(31:06):
reminding each other we have to get back into this fight.
So we're thankful to all of you.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
She was pointing out there before she got cut off
that the start of the week was the awful story
out of Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Oh my gosh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So it was just an emotionally devastating you watched the
video of the woman in Charlotte and then the video
of Charlie getting shot. It was as tough of a
week as I can remember.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
That was as that was, I mean, certainly since October
seventh in terms of the level of of of horror
that the news cycle had brought us. That was the
last feelings of those similar feelings of oh my gosh,
what's going on? And it was one of the toughest
news cycles we've ever had to deal with honestly here ever,
so even before we were in this in this media world.
(31:47):
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Speaker 3 (33:20):
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We have George and Florida. George, welcome, Thank you guys.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I just wanted to make the comment that Charlie Kirk
was not assassinated and murdered about for what he said
or what he spoke. He was murdered and assassinated because
young people listened and they processed it, and many of
them millions voted accordingly. And that's what scared these these
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these morons, these idiots, these left ringing the wacos. That's
that's what terrified him. His words didn't scare him so much.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Well, I appreciate that, George, And yes, it's the positions
that Charlie was taking are are our common positions for
everybody in conservative media and for half the country. Quite honestly,
there's nothing that Charlie was saying that was that was
fringe or that was meant to just be inflammatory. Look, ideologically,
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what Charlie says is in total alignment with what we
say here on this show and have for years, so
as well as other shows, you know, a Ben Shapiro
show on Matt Walsh's show and go down the list.
There's no difference in the ideologies, or rather in the
points that are being made. But to your point, Charlie
was very effective at taking the argument into the lions
(35:13):
down of these college campuses, and he was also very
good in the online world. Understood that and was winning,
and the Left needs play to win in their minds
in that online world or else the whole edifice of
delusion crumbles.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
And again, what I believe Charlie did so well, and
there's super positivity. We need to play some of Erica Kirk,
his wife's remarkable statements on Friday. What Charlie did so
well was go to where people are and find them there.
And young people, I think uniquely want to see issues debated,
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and they want to see arguments made from both sides
because they're young and they're learning what political values they have.
And I think the caller is correct that Charlie had
such an impact that they decided they had to kill him,
but I would argue it's also what he was saying
that was so impactful. He's got the right arguments, and
I think young men in particular are responsive to hearing
(36:16):
the right arguments and crave them because they're not getting
them from legacy media. And that's what Charlie recognized, what
we recognize on this show, and why I think we
have developed a pretty substantial young ish audience relative to
who traditionally listens to radio. We've layered in a lot
of younger people. It's why we want to be everywhere.
(36:36):
It's why we are everywhere, whether it's TikTok, whether it's YouTube,
wherever people go to consume media, we want to be there.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Come back here in a second. Charlie has someone who
is guest hosting the Charlie Kirk Program today, the Vice
President the United States. We'll talk about that and more.
Stay around
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, Monday edition. We
hope all of you had fantastic weekends. We are together
in New York City. A lot going on this week,
a lot going on over the course of the weekend.
I hope that you got to spend time with your
friends and your family after what was frankly an absolutely
(00:24):
brutal last week. The fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination continues.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're going to give you the absolute latest on that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Will also continue to take your calls and talkbacks. Senator
Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee is going to join us in
the third hour, as Trump has announced that he is
calling the National Guard out for Memphis, Tennessee, which is,
according to a lot of data sets out there, the
most violent city in America on a per capita basis.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We will talk about that, but Buck, I would say this.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I was in Knoxville, Tennessee for the Georgia Tennessee football game,
which is a great game until Tennessee shank the kick
to lose. Governor Brian Camp immediately texted me right after.
He was like, boy, Greig, he's a huge Georgia Bulldog fan.
Great game. It's like, thanks Governor. I'm a big Tennessee fan,
(01:21):
but people came up to me, Buck. Everybody who came
up to me wanted to talk about Charlie Kirk. No,
I mean at the game. At the game where ninety
nine point nine percent of the time when I'm at
a football game, people want to almost exclusively talk about sports.
Everybody who came up to me wanted to talk about
Charlie Kirk and the impact that he had had on
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their life. And what I think is the continued fallout
of I have to be honest with you, Buck. I
knew that there would be a segment because there always
is on social media of people that are awful and
react to tragedy by celebrating and marinating in the awfulness.
(02:05):
I'm still stunned about the extent of the celebratory reaction
to his assassination, and I didn't have high expectations for
how the left would respond. But when I see the
number of people who are teachers talking about, you know,
not university professors, certainly a lot of university professors, which
I'm less surprised by because we've kind of seen this
(02:28):
a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
District attorneys pediatric nurses, doctors. You know what this is
showing you everybody in every profession out there is possibly
an anti Charlie Kirk Lohn Like, you can't say, oh, well,
this person operates in the real world, so they they
would never I can trust my doctor, I could trust
my next door neighbor. No, you don't know until you
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know whether somebody has failed this most basic test of morality.
I think that's what's so it's one thing Clay to
see the usual imbeciles in the media, and they're all
they're all losing ground, they're all losing relevance that that's
been going on. So it's not surprising. It's still grotesque,
but not surprising for them. What I think, though, is
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such a shock to people is the the widespread nature
of this that there are so many people out there
who are just like everyday people. That's what they're just
you know, it could be could be a homemaker, could
be somebody who runs a local hardware store, and they're
saying absolutely insane things in response to the assassination of
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Charlie kirk who was, as we've talked about, not just
a political and social phenomenon, but a dad, a husband,
a son, somebody who was incredibly decent and kind to people.
So that that I think has been something of an awakening.
It does remind me Clay a little bit of after
nine to eleven there just from my own political awakening
(03:59):
and and why I decided, like why do I go
in the CIA and not go into Wall Street like
all my peers did. And it was in part because
after nine to eleven, one we had been attacked, but two,
I had a recognition that there were a lot of
people around the world and here at home who after
nine to eleven their attitude was we got what was
coming to us. Yeah, we deserved it, or there even
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should be if you're talking about globally, there should be
more of it. And so there was a call, a
literal call to arms, for so many of us to
go and fight. I think this is for conservatism here
at home. This is also turning into a moment of
clarity that we won't be able to shake.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It's a clarion call in some ways. Right, It's like
we're all now recognizing you mentioned this, Clay, I just had.
I went across the street were Clay and I are
here in New York, went across the street to get
a coffee, and someone came up to me and said,
I love what you guys are doing. And he said,
I'm so sad about Charlie, and he said, you need
to keep doing what you're doing. Yes, Charlie would want that.
That's part of That's part of what I'm hearing from
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everybody too. He was our friend, but he was also
our peerod we were on the same team. What we
wanted for the country is what Charlie wanted for the country,
And so I'm hearing that for from a lot of
people as they come up to me. But we have
to understand the reality of the opposition and where they
are on these things, and the lack of decency and
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the lack of basic morality, and we have to confront this.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
One hundred percent of all of that is true. It's
also important, and we're going to do our absolute best
to keep you updated on all of the details. I'm
sure you saw they have put I think they recognize
on the left that a lot of normal people, let's
leave aside the crazy celebrations. I think a lot of
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normal people who are apolitical. The idea that you would
celebrate a dad getting assassinated at a free speech event.
It does turn off huge segment of let's call just
the normal people in America who aren't paying attention to
politics on a daily basis. But just say, my god,
you're celebrating pure evil. Whatever you think about Charlie, he's
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got a three year old, he's got a one year old,
he's got a widow. Now, the idea that anybody would
celebrate any dad's death, ever, I think for both of
us as dads, is just awful. I mean, just leave
aside all of the rest of it. They recognize. I
think there's a recognition on some elements of the left
that they that they can't turn off the crazy in
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their party, and so they have tried to argue and
I think we should dive into some of this. Oh,
this guy was actually a right winger, and they have
probably have heard some of this, and I think we
need to address this in detail, because there is a
concerted effort to just lie by the motivation of this
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killer of this thing.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
A big thing that we haven't gotten to, A big
reveal from over the weekend is that it has been
reported from multiple sources and confirmed from high up that
the shooter the assassin was in a romantic relationship with
a transitioning as in a trans individual. Now that trans
individual is cooperating with the FBI at last reporting. But
(07:15):
that I think goes to ideology, It goes to motive,
It goes to an understanding of this guy was in
a relationship with a trans person, I mean physical like
a romantic relationship with a transperson. And the more you
dig into the ideology, the more this aligns with trans.
You know he is he was not trans. But the
single clay this goes back for a long time. I
(07:38):
was told by one of the National Review guys. I
won't say who it was, but you know, I actually
like a lot of those guys. I know some of
them have gone very little anti Trump, but some of
them are very good dudes. But I was told by
one of them a long time ago, I'm talking a
decade ago, that he was he'd been writing for Deck,
he himself and working in this politics commentary for decades,
said he was shocked at how he got more death
(08:00):
threats writing about the trans issue than anything, yes, than
cops and race issues and abortion and the trans issue
was the thing that gott and this was going back
now many years this was like Obama administration era, and
I never forgot that. And we're seeing now if you're
looking for left wing radicalism, if you're looking for what
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is the center of that, of that that challenged that
problem that you know, dragon that must be dealt with
here it is the trans issue and at a lesser level,
I think some of the cop and race stuff that
comes up, but those are the two that will get you.
People on the left who will go the most violent
(08:43):
the fastest isn't also from other climate change, which they
told us was an existential threat. No one even thinks
about this anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
My point is that they shift from one delusion to another,
and this is the delusion of the moment that they
will become violent over There.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Are a lot of evidence points out there, and again
the FBI is in the process of going through this
that suggests that multiple members of the trans community were
posting that Charlie was going to get killed at this
location at this point in time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Now, how often does that happen?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I think it's fair to say, is this occurring when
they're regularly? In other words, are there lots of people
when he's speaking at ex University that are going on
social media and saying, well, something's going to happen there.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But these posts were up that are saying something is happening.
He's going to get killed at this location. And the
FBI is now investigating whether this may have been a
part of a larger plan. Again, remember he was shot
as the question was being asked about.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Felt very I mean, the timing of it felt way too,
way too big a coincidence for it to actually be
a coincidence. And we're certainly I know that was asked
of Deputy by Gino on Fox this morning and he said,
we're you know. He all he can say, and he's right,
is we're looking at it. We're looking at everything, and
that is what they're doing right now. But this is Clay.
(10:11):
I mean, I can tell you when I was in
the NYPD Intelligence Division, I would say ninety five, which
is counter terrorism, and they've changed the terms and now
it's bureau. But put all that aside, ninety five ninety
eight percent. I want to say one hundred percent, but
I just don't want to be a you know that
that definitive was jihatas terrorism. That's what we were working on.
(10:32):
But you know that they had just to just to
be fair, just to make sure that everyone knew that
they were. They had a white supremacist cell there, you know,
group that looked at them. They were very bored. It
had almost nothing to do. Would always help us with
our work, but they did assign people. Now they also
had people looking to be fair at ANTIFUSS stuff too,
because they had already started to become a violent group.
(10:53):
But I'm saying, as somebody who's worked in counter terrorism,
how let me let me pose this question, which I'm
obviously leading to an answer here, how many mass casualty
ideologically based attacks do we have to have before there
is an understanding and a treatment of this issue as
systemic as in trans terrorism is a threat that the
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country must deal with the face.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now, I think we're past that point that far exactly
where you're.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Going exactly every the FBI. This needs to be treated
like a task force. This needs to be treated like
the with the urgency that it should have. And you
know we're going to have all the same all the
civil rights and they're going to say, you're looking at
this community. You know, we went through this with the
jihattist stuff we've gone through, and they tried to go
through this with Trump voters and January sixth, right, they
(11:42):
use the counter terrorism apparatus against non violent grandmas who
walked into a building that they were waved into. Because
we saw the video. I know there were some people
who are violent with cops. A lot of people are
violent with cops and don't even spend a single day
in jail as long as they're Democrats.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Including the entire BLM era, all.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Of it, all of it right. But we are a
point now, and this is why this is an ideological
challenge for the country. We can't go past this, and
I think that's what the assassination of our friend Charlie
Kirk has made it iniscapable for anyone who is paying attention.
We have a real challenge here. It is widespread. This
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is the same thing played with with jihadist ideology. There
were the suicide bombers, but then there were the facilitators,
and then there were the spiritual sanctionars, and then there
were the you know, you go through these concentric circles
of who is involved and who is pushing what and
how are they a part of this? Movement. Go on discord,
go online, You'll see a lot of people that are
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saying this.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Stuff red and Blue Sky is crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Is insane? Blue Sky. The night of Charlie's assassination, I
was on it. It was the most horrifying thing I've
ever read in my life. Honestly, it was completely insane.
And now we're going to get into this First Amendment debate,
right They're going to say what's allowed, what's not well,
incitement to violence is not allowed, material support to terrorism
is not allowed. We need to start looking at this
issue with the same kind of focus that has been
(13:05):
used at other times when we faced an ideological threat.
And that is what we are under right now as
a country. And that is just the truth. And I'll
debate that issue with anybody who wants to debate.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
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Speaker 4 (14:03):
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Welcome, all right, Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're
here in New York City, and we all obviously tackling
the biggest stories still out there, which is the Charlie
Kirk assassination, the aftermath, what it is showing us about
the country we live in, and how we have to continue.
We have to continue this fight for the truth in
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public squares, for free speech, true free speech. We will
not let the terrorists win. Clay, I do think that
word needs to be used more here. I was just saying,
there should be cells that are starting to specialize how
many mass shootings by either a trans individual or someone
motivated by the trans ideology have to happen before This
is something specifically that launched now, it might already be
(15:36):
happening in some places. I'm not in the FBI. I'm
not in the counter terrorism division of a major police
department anymore, but I certainly hope that that is going
on or is about to be going on, because it
was terrorism, we use it. The term assassination is correct,
but the term terrorism is also correct. This was a
murder for ideological purposes. Just a programming note here. We
(15:58):
got Senator Marshall black burnaby with us on the in
the third hour of the show to talk about the
National Guard heading to Memphis. You know, I know, this
whole thing has been truly heartbreaking for President Trump and
his kids, who are all very close, particularly Don Junior,
but all of them were very close with Charlie. But Clay,
he's also he's attending them. He's going to be attending
the memorial coming up. He's he's doing all that he
(16:20):
can to honor Charlie. The administration, though, is also keeping
the foot on the accelerator to make sure that they
are They have I think a renewed sense of purpose
on some of these issues, saving lives, taking taking all
measures they can to defeat the honestly, the evil forces
of the left. I mean, this feels more like a
good versus evil struggle than anytime I can remember.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Also, it has to.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
For President Trump, his ability to move past what happened
to him in Butler, Pennsylvania is frankly superhuman. Yes, the
way that he's continued to appear in big events, the
fact that he has not appeared to have any sort
of fear associated with somebody else trying to do that
to him, trying to kill him again after the double
(17:06):
assassination attempts, it has to in some way be evocative,
and I would think traumatic on some level for him
to have seen what just happened to Charlie. I just
don't see any way that could. And again, Trump is
a dad. I think most of you who are dads
and moms out there, the thing that many of us
(17:28):
are unable to get past is the fact that Charlie
was thirty one and has a three year old in
a one year.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Old makes me down every time we start to talk.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Honestly, anybody out there the first time, this is something
that I don't think you can prepare for. But every
one of you knows that feeling of when you have
a kid. The first thing you think is I just
want to get him or her to adulthood and we'll
talk about that more, but I think it is incredibly evocative,
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Clay Travis and buck Sexton on the front Lines of truth.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, buck Sexton show a lot
of you weighing in on a variety of different angles
relating to the Charlie Kirk story.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
We're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Into this probably next hour, Buck, and we'll take some
of your talkbacks right now.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
But I think it's incredibly important.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
For all of you to know that there is a
calculated decision made to try and make it seem And
I know this is going to sound crazy to a
lot of you, but I think it's important. You know,
like I say, I read the New York Times and
all the crazy left wing talks, so you don't have
to me watching Morning Joe. It's like Buck watching Morning Joe.
(19:38):
We try to make you aware of what everybody is
saying across the political spectrum. Over the weekend, there was
a calculated attempt to try to make this assassin seem
like he was a Trump supporting right winger. I even
saw a prominent left wing accounts Buck trying to say
(20:01):
Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn't right wing enough.
That was one of the arguments they were trying to make.
Now it is collapsing because there is no evidence to
support that. But if you have left wing friends, they
may be marinating in this universe where they're claiming that
(20:22):
this violence came from the right.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It did not.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Okay, this guy, Just to kind of lay out a
couple of facts, this guy had a family that tended
to be conservative, that is true. He went off to
college and seems to have lost his mind. He was
a smart kid, thirty four on the ACT. I was
reading about him four point zero GPAs thirty four in
the AC that just carried out a thirty six. So
(20:47):
it's like a ninety ninth percentile caliber score, so one
in one thousand level standardized test score. So the kid
was smart and then got lost in left wing ideology.
As you pointed out, is living with and has I
don't even know what you would call it.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Is dating a trans person.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
But it's not like a boyfriend or a girl. I
don't even know. He's dating a dude who's pretending to
be a chick. Now is that right?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That that is correct? Yes, So he is decided a
sexual relationship with a man who who who present presents
as female or whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
All of the reports about the engravings on the bullets.
As we walked through our left wing slogan, I.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Believe the girlfriend boy I'm sorry the boy whatever he is,
the trans Uh you know partner is also a furry.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, No, I'm just I'm just thinking how we are
going to explain to this audience.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I will be honest with you, I do not this
is that that reaches There's this whole online discord some
of the words that are being used for the trans stuff.
I'm actually learning some new things about that because I
don't and furries I am only familiar with in a
very limited fashion. Yes, so somebody who dresses up as
(22:02):
a Again, guys, I understand this is actually true.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
True.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I'm not making this forward to Buck explaining furries to
this audience.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Furry is someone who dresses up as a woodland creature
for sexual purposes.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That is, that is the truth is it. Does it
have to be a woodland character? Could you be like
a care bear?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think that. I think that is.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That is what You're in the same kind of idea
like you dress up as an animal. Basically you are
dressing up as an animal.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
As like a like a Disney sort of character, but
not a like an animal Disney. We have reached the
limit of my knowledge, thank thankfully, thankfully, I'm not very
well versed in this world either.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But my point on this is all of the bullets.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Because you're not You're not emotionally psychologically normal. If I'm
talking about now the assassin, If this is what you're
what you're going for, there's there's problems here.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I would say you are not psychologically normal if you
are a guy and you are dating a man that
is deciding to transition to a woman, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Who dresses up like a like a bunny rabbit.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It's fun, super fricking weird. This guy's mental crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And there is a lot of evidence as well that
again he was a super far left winger mentally unstable, clearly,
and there is a lot of evidence out there that
many different people in the trans community in the state.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Of Utah, which does exist, by the way, we're.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Aware that something was going to happen here, and so
I think it's very important for you all to understand
there is a calculated attempt because of how embarrassing this
is and how awful this is for the lesson.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I don't want to take the hit ice logically they
want to. Don't want to, Yeah, they want to claim
that this is this is not on their side, so
to speak. And I just note, you know, they've tried
for a very long time to say that the guy
who shot Gabby Giffords was right wing. I mean that
guy was a pink elephants in the sky, paranoid schizophrenic
of no particular ideological cohesion whatsoever. I mean, you couldn't
(24:18):
figure out. But they try very hard to make that
because we have a long list now of very left
wing people who There was the guy who was yelling
ran Paul Senator Paul pull Us on this show. The
guy was screaming, this is for healthcare, yes. And he
was a Bernie, a Bernie bro shooting at those congressional
members conservatives? He said, are these conservative members of Congress?
(24:38):
When he was walking to the baseball field with that
rifle shot, Steve Scalise tried to murder everybody there but Clay.
They don't want this to they don't want this to
sort of seep into the American consciousness because the second
it does, there's a radicalizing effect here toward we have
to deal with this problem. Yes, and you just mentioned
(24:59):
people that I have known about this in advance. I
would just say, what what does it tell you if
there were other people either supportive of or within the
trans ideology.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And this is very clearly.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I mean, you think about people, people have committed ideological
acts of terrorism for the environment, people for for far
less than the so called genocide against the trans community
that the left believes is going on. So now we
look at okay, who knew that something was coming and
didn't say anything, Who knew that Charlie Kirk was in
danger and didn't go to the authorities. Now you can
(25:32):
claim one way, they're, oh, well, maybe that doesn't rise
to criminal culpability. Maybe they yeah, let's take a look
at that. And I know director director Patel and deputy
director Bongino are going to be as they should take
a look at that, because how could this be any
different than you know, someone saying, you know what, I'm
building a bomb and I'm gonna go put it in
a in a synagogue, something we dealt with when I
was the NYPD. How is it any different than that
(25:55):
lack of basic humanity to say that I'm going to
try to stop this from happening in innocence from being.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think also what you're gonna see is some of
these places online and again we'll get into this. Some
of these places online are crazy echo chambers, and when
you go into these communities, they radicalize you because you
lose the capability of understanding the real world. I thought
(26:22):
the governor of Utah actually did a good job of this.
And I know so many of you have kids and
grandkids and you worry about this. The radicalizing impact of
an entirely online culture.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Getting out into the real world is actually healthy.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
He has said some not so good things too, as
you know, I'm just just we're going to get hit
on that unless we point out that this it is
not a side both sides. The second someone does the
both sides thing, you know, shut it down, no way.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
But I do think this is something that I spend
a lot of time with as a dad, and I
know a lot of you as parents and grandparents. How
do you get your kids off your phone and how
do you get your kids into the real world. This
is why somebody sent me an email and I thought
it was really well said. You know, getting kids involved
(27:14):
in sports and getting kids involved in extracurricular activities. I
think in an internet age is more important than it
ever has been in the past because it forces them
to have that face to face interaction in the real
world which takes you out of the crazy echo chambers
of the Internet, which radicalize you and make you think
(27:35):
that what you are working towards is normal.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So you couldn't do what this if you were an
even vaguely psychologically stable and had anything resembling a conscience,
you couldn't do what this person did to Charlie Kirk.
If you recognized him as a human being and a
dad and a father, yes you couldn't do that. Yes,
(27:59):
the way and this I've seen this. I go back
to the days when Clay we had a whole unit
going into look I was in a CIA. We used
to see what these gihatis were saying online, what they
thought they were saying, and encryptid comms what they thought
they were saying on cell phones. I mean, so you
really get in the headspace. Dehumanization is critical in the
(28:19):
mass delusion, and they dehumanize Charlie Kirk. They turned him
into an avatar of some you know, anti transgenocidal evil.
When reality first, I mean, put aside even the arguments
about what he was saying and everything else. He's a dad,
he's a husband, he's a son, he's a neighbor, he's
an American, he's a good person. You know, all of
(28:40):
that gets swept aside because in these ideological echo chambers,
it turns into he is something that must be dealt
with instead of he's a human being. And I've seen
this with terrorism over and over again.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I think that's really well said. I would also point
this out, and this is what is so and we're
going to play a couple of year talk bacts here
in a sec before we get here, is what I
would say too. It's one thing for a crazy person
to kill someone. Unfortunately, crazy people will be killing people
for all of our lives. And beyond, what I can't
(29:13):
get out of my head buck is if you go
watch that video at the moment that the shot was
fired at that Utah free speech event, there is a
guy who stands up and cheers. I don't know how
many of you have seen that. He's at this Charlie
Kirk event. He hears the gunshot ring out, he immediately
(29:33):
stands up and cheers as if his favorite team has
just scored a touchdown. That reaction is natural. His brain
is already so polluted that Charlie Kirk is so dehumanized
to him that he shows up at that event. And
when Charlie Kirk is shot, the instant that he falls back,
(29:58):
that man. Everybody else is duck looking down. Have you
seen that video that guy stands up? We should share
it on Clay and Buck because I think it's so
dark that guy stands up and cheers. Let me play
this for you. AA June says, thanks for last week.
Let's play her.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
I'm a sixty five year old woman, a widow with
four grown children, ten grandchildren. Listen to you guys every
day while I'm working remotely from home. Love you guys.
I feel like you're my family, and I just want
to let you guys know that you were a major help.
I did not feel all alone listening to you guys
this week. It was an emotional week to begin with,
(30:37):
before the thing with Charlie even happened. The whole thing
with the poor young woman, well.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
We really appreciate that and we feel the same way,
and honestly, we were relying on all of you and
leaning on you and using your shoulder for support too
with your calls, but just knowing that you're out there listening,
and you're with us in this whole process. Clay and
I always say, we don't need therapy because we have
this show. So it was a two way street. It
was a two way street keeping each other steady and
(31:06):
reminding each other we have to get back into this fight.
So we're thankful to all of you.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
She was pointing out there before she got cut off
that the start of the week was the awful story
out of Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Oh my gosh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So it was just an emotionally devastating you watched the
video of the woman in Charlotte and then the video
of Charlie getting shot. It was as tough of a
week as I can remember.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
That was as that was, I mean, certainly since October
seventh in terms of the level of of of horror
that the news cycle had brought us. That was the
last feelings of those similar feelings of oh my gosh,
what's going on? And it was one of the toughest
news cycles we've ever had to deal with honestly here ever,
so even before we were in this in this media world.
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Speaker 3 (33:20):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
We're gonna take more of your calls and also get
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hold on it. We got we got a few things here.
We have George and Florida. George, welcome, Thank you guys.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I just wanted to make the comment that Charlie Kirk
was not assassinated and murdered about for what he said
or what he spoke. He was murdered and assassinated because
young people listened and they processed it, and many of
them millions voted accordingly. And that's what scared these these
(34:17):
these morons, these idiots, these left ringing the wacos. That's
that's what terrified him. His words didn't scare him so much.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Well, I appreciate that, George, And yes, it's the positions
that Charlie was taking are are our common positions for
everybody in conservative media and for half the country. Quite honestly,
there's nothing that Charlie was saying that was that was
fringe or that was meant to just be inflammatory. Look, ideologically,
(34:49):
what Charlie says is in total alignment with what we
say here on this show and have for years, so
as well as other shows, you know, a Ben Shapiro
show on Matt Walsh's show and go down the list.
There's no difference in the ideologies, or rather in the
points that are being made. But to your point, Charlie
was very effective at taking the argument into the lions
(35:13):
down of these college campuses, and he was also very
good in the online world. Understood that and was winning,
and the Left needs play to win in their minds
in that online world or else the whole edifice of
delusion crumbles.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
And again, what I believe Charlie did so well, and
there's super positivity. We need to play some of Erica Kirk,
his wife's remarkable statements on Friday. What Charlie did so
well was go to where people are and find them there.
And young people, I think uniquely want to see issues debated,
(35:52):
and they want to see arguments made from both sides
because they're young and they're learning what political values they have.
And I think the caller is correct that Charlie had
such an impact that they decided they had to kill him,
but I would argue it's also what he was saying
that was so impactful. He's got the right arguments, and
I think young men in particular are responsive to hearing
(36:16):
the right arguments and crave them because they're not getting
them from legacy media. And that's what Charlie recognized, what
we recognize on this show, and why I think we
have developed a pretty substantial young ish audience relative to
who traditionally listens to radio. We've layered in a lot
of younger people. It's why we want to be everywhere.
(36:36):
It's why we are everywhere, whether it's TikTok, whether it's YouTube,
wherever people go to consume media, we want to be there.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Come back here in a second. Charlie has someone who
is guest hosting the Charlie Kirk Program today, the Vice
President the United States. We'll talk about that and more.
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