The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Psychiatric Medication EXPOSED: The Hidden Costs of Mental Health Treatment
September 22, 2025 • 28 mins
On this episode of the Tudor Dixon Podcast, Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring pulls back the curtain on the hidden truths behind antidepressants—their rushed approval process, their impact on emotions and relationships, and the potential links to violence. He raises urgent questions about how these drugs are prescribed, especially for young people, and calls for greater accountability and understanding in the medical community. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We are so blessed today to have a doctor with us,
doctor Joseph Witt Doring. He is with us today and
you've probably seen him talking all over about the FDA
and medicines that are prescribed to us. You've seen him
on social media, on a bunch of different podcasts, so
he has expertise here. He's actually a former FDA medical
officer too, So we're really excited about having you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Thank you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Tutor, I'm so glad to be here. Thank you for
having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
As I said, we've seen you in many different interviews.
We hear you talking about these medicines that I think
people are interested in hearing about because we have people
that in our lives, either we are taking them or
people that we love are taking them every day. And
we've seen this, you know, those of us who have
been around it. We've seen the changes in their ability
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to connect, their ability to have an emotional reaction, their
ability to have intimacy, and it's devastating, these devastating effects.
So I ask you, as someone who was at the FDA,
how did these drugs get approved?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So I mean, these drugs are and people are often
shocked when they hear this what the studies are like
to get them approved. So the first thing I usually
emphasize is that the studies are only about twelve weeks long,
and we've never had a randomized controlled trial go longer
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than a year. And that should be a reason for
a lot of people to pause, because we put people
on these drugs for a really long time.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I mean decades sometimes decades.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, I'm fifty percent of antidepressant users have been on
them for five years or more. And the other thing
is that that and this is why I do what
I do now. Because I worked at the FDA, I
got to kind of see behind the scenes and I
was just like, this is crazy. And so the other
thing that I noticed that really shocking is any depressants
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are said to be effective by the drug regulators if
they simply reduce symptoms on a depression scale. Now that's
therapeutic for some people. But what I want to contrast
this against is you know, when you hear the term anidepressant,
you might think, well, you know, I'm going to do
better in my relationships or I'm going to be doing
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better in my work or you know, it's going to
lift me out of depression and it's going to improve
my life in these tangible ways. That's not the outcome.
The outcome is decreased symptoms on a scale. And obviously
you can get that if you essentially just blunt emotional range.
And so what I really think is important for people
to know is that antidepressant is a marketing term. People
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kind of can kind of imagine all sorts of things
when they hear antidepressant. Essentially, these are drugs. These are
mood constricting drugs. Yes, that effect can be experienced as
therapeutic for some people, but it can also hold you
back and make things worse. I mean, if blunting your
emotion range, you know, leads to you to staying in
a job that you don't like, staying in a relationship
that you don't like, being being blind to legitimate problems
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or maybe health issues in your life that's actually working
against you, and I think that message has been lost.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's interesting that you bring this up because I was
just with a girl yesterday and she said her one
of her friends had a traumatic experience, her mother died
in a traumatic way, and that.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Was what she wanted.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
She said, I think at that point she wanted to
feel nothing, and they put her on these medications, and
she said it really did make it so that she
was not able to feel, and that was what she
wanted at the moment. It's five years later, she's struggling
to get off of them, and she said to her friend,
I can't explain it, but I feel I look at something,
I know it's sad. I want to have an emotion
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and I cannot have any emotion at all.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, and I think that is a really common experience
that a lot of people go through. And I just
want to say just quickly, these drugs they have their
place and we will. And I'm a psychiatrist. I see
this all the time. People say I took it, it
was helpful. They'll even say it's life saving. I mean,
if your life isn't chaos and there's a lot of
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things going on, if you take something that can numb
you or restrict your emotional range, you will experience that
as therapeutic. But the issue is, and this is what's
happened with your friend, is over time, you'll start to
notice that it's blunting positives and so yes, you're going
to feel less negatives, but you may not feel the
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same way when you hug a loved one. You may
not feel the same way when something sad happens and
you go, I want to cry. You may feel blunted
to maybe things happening in your relationship. Maybe your wife
is upset, and in the past maybe you would have
been like, Okay, there's something going on. I can tell
just by the change her in the way she's responding
to me that I need to go and talk to
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her because something is festering. If you wipe that out,
you will you're going to miss and so well do
you make it.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I want to stop you there, because you make a
great point. But a wife can understand you're not doing
what I need you to do, and that can be
a conversation. It can be incredibly frustrating, and that person
may actually still not see it. But there is the
opportunity for the other adult in the relationship to say,
something's happening to you, we need to do something about it.
How is this impacting youth? Because when I was a kid,
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these drugs really were not out there at all. I mean,
I think in the eighties is when we started to
see prozac, and I was in high school by the
time people were actually I was out of high school
by the time people were really being prescribed this kind
of medication. So I don't remember these situations happening. But
I look at kids today and they are completely ignored
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by their parents, and I don't think their parents know
they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I mean, the impact. If I think about the impact
of these medications on youth, I mean, for me, it
boils down to some of the messaging that comes along
with these drugs. Now, let's talk about adolescence. This is
a very challenging time. You're hormonal, you're navigating relationships for
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the first time. Maybe you're trying to find out your
purpose and what you want to do in life. In ours,
you know, in the zeal of the medical profession and
somewhat the pharmaceutical industry as well, to kind of promote
the drugs and also promote the messaging that people have
chemical imbalances and that they need these drugs, we are
changing the narrative about how people see totally normal problems
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going through a breakup, devastated, you know, that used to
be normal. Now it's a chemical imbalance. Dealing with problems
of social isolation and loneliness. You might fix that in
the past, Okay, this is something I need to work on.
You know, you have a chemical imbalance, you know, not
certain about what you want to do in your life,
chemical imbalance. And so some of the issue is it
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takes like these these smoke alarms, these normal things that
trouble people, and you know, when you take the drug,
it recosts it as a brain problem essentially, and people
are robbed of the opportunity of actually addressing issues. And
you could just imagine the problems that would have is
if you just kind of suppress the feelings about problems
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happening in that person's life for like, I don't know,
ten years or something when they're on it. Eventually they're
going to have to deal with that when they come
off the drug later on. And so I personally worry
that it's getting in the way of just just general
maturation and the ability to deal with normal bumps in life.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well. And I worry that if you have a parent
that is on these medications. I mean, sometimes my daughters
come to me with something. I mean just the other
night I had one of them had an issue at
school and she was crying, and my reaction is very emotional,
you know, and I try. I'm holding it together for her,
but it is in my head the rest of the night,
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the rest of the week, and I'm checking in with
her and I'm thinking about I know that you are
a emotionally hurting right now, and I need to come
around you and make sure that I'm supporting you through this.
But if you are on these medications, it is hard
to break through outer your emotions too. So as a parent,
can you identify when your child is in an emotional
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state if you are not feeling those emotions, and if
children are in a situation where the parent is essentially
not bonding to them, what does that do to that
child as they grow up?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Sure? Yeah, and this is something that I have seen firsthand.
I have parents who tell me, hey, because this is
what I do. I bring people off the medications, and
they'll say, I had no idea how blocked I was
to the problems going on with my child. I would be,
you know, sitting there doing my work at home, and
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they would come home after school and they would say
things to me, and I would just kind of shrug
it off completely. Missing that there's emotional problems going on.
When they come off, they start to notice it a
lot more and they realize they've they've missed quite a
lot of their child's emotional life. Now, the issue is
is that the person on the drug rarely realizes that
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they have a problem because essentially you're in a drugged state.
So when it comes to how do you detect if
this is happening to you? It's so important to have
someone else, whether it's a spouse or family member or
a very trusted friend, know you're getting on the drug
because they are going to be the ones who will say,
you know what, you've kind of changed and I know
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your karma, but I think it's actually harming you in
some ways. And so people need to be warned that
this can happen at the outset of use. But they
also need a spotter, you know, someone there who can
just say, hey, you might not realize this is this
is happening.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But the problem is they might not care because they
are in that state. I mean it's like a double
edged sword because you can go to that person and say.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Hello, this is not you, this is a totally different you.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And I mean I've had this experience with people where
they go, I can't function without this, so this is
the new me.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And then where does that leave everyone around them?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I mean that's a really challenging situation.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And if you that's why I say, this is something
that why does the FDA allow this?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Because the FDA passes this, says it's okay, not our problem.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
This is going to go to the families now, and
you are telling me, I mean, think about what you're
telling me. A doctor prescribes something, a non doctor, just
a loved one around you has to watch you and
be ready to say okay, it's gone too.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Far, you're no longer you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And yet you're fighting the medical system because the doctor
is still telling that person, no, you need this drug.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah. Yeah. It's a complicated issue, and I think one
of the problems is like when we study these drugs,
as I mentioned before, it's on this depression scale and
it's for twelve weeks, which is insane to be. I mean,
we should have said, like, if we're going to give
people drugs that change their mood and personality, because let's
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face it, that's what these drugs are doing. We need
to measure outcomes. How many divorces are happening between the
two groups. How many people are saying that they're satisfied
in their job, because like, that's where this is going
to turn up. You know, when these drugs get in
the way of you know, your relationship and it can
lead to breakups. We actually need to be measuring these things,
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and the FDA isn't doing that. And I think you
make a good argument that, you know, how safe are
these really if we're not measuring that and we're only
studying them for three months.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Hey stick around because we have more with doctor Joseph Wittouring.
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(12:01):
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stay tuned, we'll be back right after this. So there's
a lot of question about not only that, I mean
you talk about something very critical relationships and how this
affects people in their home life. But you see a
lot of violence today, a lot of violence and people
every time we see violence, they say, was there some
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sort of psychiatric med involved. It's crazy to me because
we're so in tune to the fact that it could
be a psychiatric med that you don't ask any more.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Were they high on coke? Were they drunk? Were they
high on weed? It's always what.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Was prescribed to them. Let's get a toxicology report. We
want to know what was prescribed to them. And I
was reading earlier about the trans shooter in Nashville. This
is a young woman who was put on medication for
depression at six years old. Now, at six years old,
you cannot tell me that they knew that this child
was clinically depressed and that there wasn't there couldn't have
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been some other way to get this child through this
emotional time in their life. But from six on she
was on medication.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Is there a.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Connection between these mass shootings and this mass violence and
psychiatric meds?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, so there is a connection. But I have to
come in and say that this is a multi factorial problem.
I think we would all. I don't think anyone is
saying that every single mass shooting that occurs, you know,
psychiatric drugs involved. Although I get cost as saying that
sometimes there's issues of social contagion going on, there's issues
of access to guns, there's issues of drugs being involved,
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and yes, there are issues of people being on psychiatric
medications which lead to behavioral disinhibition. My position on this
is that people need to start looking at all of
these factors, and they don't. They like to sweep it
away and just say, you know, it's it's guns or
it's mental illness. We are not looking at this in
a responsible way in terms of public health, and so
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I'd like to talk about why I believe these medications
can lead to mass acts of violence and suicide. So
this is not something that is fringe. If you opened
the drug labels, you look at ADHD meds in the
Warnings and Precautions, which is the one of the highest
sections in the label for the most important risks, it
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says right there it says hostility. That is a really
common side effect with ADHD medications. If you look at
drugs like Abilifi, which are antipsychotics, in the label it
will say homicidal ideation. This has been put in there
by the drug companies because they have noticed that this
is a side effect and this has happened. Sometimes if
you look at the antidepressants, it will say that they
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increase the risk of suicidal thoughts and behavior. It also
lists aggression, irritability, and hostility in there. Okay, now that's
not exactly saying in the label these drugs can lead
to mass shootings. But already you're seeing that for some
people who are sensitive to these medications. Again, these are
rare side effects. They're not going to have that normal
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like blunting emotional constricting effect. They're going to have a paradoxical,
unusual reaction which you cannot predict. It just has to
do with something about their biology, where they will become
more irritable, agitated, or aggressive. Again not common. Now, have
there been cases where this has led to mass acts
of violence already? And there have been, and these have
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gone before judges and juries. You know, the most well
known case is Donald Shell. This was over in Wyoming.
He had previously taken prozac, he had a bad reaction,
he became worse, and then another doctor, not realizing that,
put him on a very similar medication called Paxel. They're
both SSRIs. It never should have happened. If you responded
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negatively to one in the past and had behavioral problems.
You don't put someone on this again, but that happened
to him. Within a week of getting on this medication,
he developed a psychosis. He became homicidal and suicidal. He
killed his wife, he killed his daughter, and he killed
his granddaughter. He shot them all and then he killed himself. Now,
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the surviving son in law took this case against smith Klein.
You know, this is before GSK and the jury found
smith Klein to be eighty percent responsible for the death
for failure to warn. He was awarded a million you know, millions.
I think it was like six million dollars, which was
a lot in the early nineties. They appealed it, but
they were not successful and the verdict has stood. And
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this has happened in many other cases. People the media
doesn't like to talk about this, but in many cases
when there has been behavioral adverse reactions and it's resulted
in violence or homicide, they have gone to the courts,
juris and judges. Objective people have heard the evidence and
then they have ruled that the drugs have been involved.
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But when you say things like these, this these days
people say this is you know, this is a myth.
You're scaring people away from psychiatric medications. You're out there
trying to do harm. There's no way they can do this.
It's not true. It's in the labels already, it's happening
in the courts, and we need to look at this
with individual cases, and.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Because if we knew, then maybe as parents we would
even react differently. I read that the Parkland shooter had
been on ADHD drugs for many, many years, but his
behavior hadn't improved. And I think oftentimes teachers will even push.
I've even seen teachers push to get kids on medication.
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So this kid was on ADHD drugs, he was very aggressive.
The reports from his childhood in the classroom, very aggressive,
very aggressive with parents, had thrown mom up against the wall.
Still on these drugs. Clearly, if you've been this aggressive
in school and you're under the care of a psychiatrist,
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which I assume you are, if you're getting these However,
I will say I've known general practitioners that have been
able to give out these drugs, and the monitoring is different.
But I would assume that as a doctor, if you've
given someone this medication, you would continue to follow up
and say, how has the behavior changed, And mom and
dad are saying, my gosh, he's getting in trouble at school.
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He threw mom up against the wall. That didn't change
the fact that they kept him on these meds. And
then he went in and there were reports, from what
I remember, there were reports that he had been saying,
I have these homicidal thoughts and he went in and
shot up an entire school. So when you say, you know,
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people don't want to be freaked out about this, I agree,
But it's this is a fact. This is not like
a myth. This is not a maybe. This is a fact.
And parents are afraid every single day that they dropped
their kids off at the bus stop or at school
that there is going to be a Parkland kid that
could go in and do the same thing that this
kid did. And we deserve to know if these kids
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are on medications that are causing them to have the
negative reaction that should mean we take them off.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, we do deserve to know that. And I think
really a lot of the time the critics out there
who have an agenda against having this go out, you know,
whether it's you know, whether it's a drug company or
it's the American psychiatric assertion. Any group that has a
vested interest in the public seeing the drugs in a
favorable way. They almost wield this, oh, you're going to
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scare them away from drugs as it's like a compassionate
thing to do for society. Society. Really it's a form
of intimidation against the critics. They want to say, you,
mister critic, you are dangerous. You know, how could you ever,
you know, spread such a conspiracy theory. But the reality
is that's not compassionate from a public health perspective, because
the compassionate thing to do is to be honest about
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what's happening. I mean, you can even say it's rare
because it is rare, and just say despite this, we
need to start looking at these We need to start
looking at why is this being missed? You know, because
that's another issue that you touched on. And sorry. Another
piece of information is eighty percent of these drugs are
given out by family medicine physicians. Most people listening right
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now will know that they get probably five to seven
minutes of FaceTime with their family doctor, and that is
how these people are being monitored. And when you are
monitoring someone in five to seven minutes, and you're spending
half of the time talking about some other health problem.
Are you really going to be able to conduct a
history where you're saying, is this drug making them worse
in some way? Tell me about their behavior, let me
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call their mom, let me talk to someone at the school.
What is happening is so none of that happens. They
just simply assume that the mental illness is worsening, and
they increase the dose or they add another drug because
it is expedient and it is faster than really kind
of digging into things, and so adverse behavioral side effects
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are frequently missed because they are haunted detect in short visits.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Let's take a quick commercial break.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. On what
point do you say that doctors should be investigated if
they have a history of having patients just kind of
load up on drugs. And I'm serious about this, and
I know people will go, oh, well, you don't know
what's best for the patient, But I know people that
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they put them on an antidepressant, they put them on
an anti anxiety, they put them on adderall all three
of those, and then they end up having a facial
tick and they have to go on some medication for that,
and then they end up having high blood pressure and
they have to go on a medication for that, and suddenly.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You are trying to patch.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's like there's holes in this bucket and you're trying
to patch every possible place to prove that a medication
is doing something good while it destroys every other part
of this person's body.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, I mean, you're going to get a hot take
from me. This is not but I think most people believe.
But personally, I don't think family medicine doctors should be
prescribing things like antidepressants. I mean, you're giving a drug
that can potentially change someone's personality and their mood. It
can affect their relationships and their work, and their ability
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to recognize problems in their life. That should be done
by a psychiatrist who has enough time. Now we have
this narrative in society now where it's like depression anxiety.
It's so common, these drugs are so safe. I think
it's completely wrong, and I think that needs to be changed.
I think we need to treat these drugs, which can
be useful for some people with the respect that they
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deserve and with the time that they deserve, because listen,
there's nothing more complicated than giving someone a drug that
can alter their mood and personality.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So you shared a post recently.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's really graphic, but I want to talk about it
because you shared this post about this person getting an
MRI and it was shocking to me, but not shocking
to me because I'm a cancer survivor. So I've been
through the MRIs and the cat scans and the biopsies,
and one of my biopsies for my cancer, they said
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we're going to do this biopsy and I thought, yeah,
I've had other biopsies, that's fine, and they were like,
it's going to be a mammogram biopsy and I.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Had no idea what this was.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And you have to climb up on this machine and
you're like half on top and half on bottom. They're
sticking needles through your body parts and you can't move
at all, like not at all. And they told me
ahead of time, you can't move, your legs are going
to be up above you, your arms will be out.
If you even so much just have an itch, you
have to tell us you cannot move. And afterward I
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got down and the woman said, did you take the valuume?
And I said, what are you talking about? And she said, oh,
that test is so stressful. Generally we offer someone volume
ahead of time. And I said, oh, nobody mentioned that.
She said, you were just very calm, because when you're
in that situation. I mean, I know that there are
people who panic, but I do think that they talk
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you through it enough that they know if you're ready
or not. But you shared with a story about a
patient who was going into an MRI and they offered
them an anxiety med before they went in. The patient
had a terrible reaction, gouged out their own eye and
ate it. That is terrifying to me.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yes, and so again, you know, putting it in context. Listen,
this is the first time I've ever heard of it.
They and people you need to hear that these medications
in rare instances, they can have very serious side effects.
And so that that's the point that I want people
to hear. Benz thatiazepines, which are commonly used to help people,
you know, go in the narrow tube of an MRI.
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They you know, they relax people, but they can cause
paradox reactions. Like all drugs, And the point when I
put that out there, because it was graphic and it
was shocking, was that we've gotten so use to just oh,
you have a little bit of anxiety, just just take it.
You're a little nervous about being in the narrow tube,
take this medication. What has happened to us? I think
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we can tell people like, yes, some situational anxiety is normal,
some claustrophobia is normal, and you know what, the drug
has side effects. Maybe we go ahead and we try
it without I'll be there with you. I'm going to
reassure you You're going to get through this. It's okay.
Very quickly, we just default to using meds, which you know,
in rare instances can have absolutely horrific outcomes.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That is probably one of the most terrific things I've
ever heard, and I honestly I would have read it
and said no way, except for having my own experience
in the hospital of them saying, you know, we generally
offer this to everybody, and I think we've had this
inherent trust in the medical system, and you know, honestly,
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back then, that was ten years ago, I probably would
have been like, Okay, they're telling me. Most people take this,
I should take it without thinking I'm fine, I don't
need this.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And that's the thing that.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I think is the unusual part about psychiatric meds. It's
kind of like someone saying you need this even if
you haven't, if you haven't discussed I'm not anxious about
this test. There's a push to take it regardless, like
we have a solution for you. And yet when you
look at it with common sense, you would say, you
(27:28):
know what, am I going to take a pill every
day and it is going to magically change everything in
my life?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Uh? You know, preach is what I'm going to say,
because I think there's something common sense about that where
it's like, how could that ever make sense that you
could take a pill and you know, with the complexity
of the mind and the human experience, that you could
expect that to solve your relationship problems, your spiritual issues,
your problems in your work. It's simply not true. It
is It is just it's too good to be true.
(27:56):
And because it's not that, I mean, that's not what
they do.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Thank you so much for being here with us today,
doctor Joseph Witt during and we're going to have you
back in the next podcast. We're going to dig into
some pretty crazy subjects. We're going to talk about cannabis,
and I know a lot of people think cannabis is safe.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We're going to get into some of the things you
might actually not know about cannabis.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
We're also going to talk a little bit deeper about
those side effects from these drugs that have sexual dysfunction.
But also we're going to get into the trans issue.
So it's going to be very interesting to hear what
the good doctor has to say. But thank you all
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Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We are so blessed today to have a doctor with us,
doctor Joseph Witt Doring. He is with us today and
you've probably seen him talking all over about the FDA
and medicines that are prescribed to us. You've seen him
on social media, on a bunch of different podcasts, so
he has expertise here. He's actually a former FDA medical
officer too, So we're really excited about having you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Thank you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Tutor, I'm so glad to be here. Thank you for
having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
As I said, we've seen you in many different interviews.
We hear you talking about these medicines that I think
people are interested in hearing about because we have people
that in our lives, either we are taking them or
people that we love are taking them every day. And
we've seen this, you know, those of us who have
been around it. We've seen the changes in their ability
(00:55):
to connect, their ability to have an emotional reaction, their
ability to have intimacy, and it's devastating, these devastating effects.
So I ask you, as someone who was at the FDA,
how did these drugs get approved?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So I mean, these drugs are and people are often
shocked when they hear this what the studies are like
to get them approved. So the first thing I usually
emphasize is that the studies are only about twelve weeks long,
and we've never had a randomized controlled trial go longer
(01:32):
than a year. And that should be a reason for
a lot of people to pause, because we put people
on these drugs for a really long time.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I mean decades sometimes decades.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, I'm fifty percent of antidepressant users have been on
them for five years or more. And the other thing
is that that and this is why I do what
I do now. Because I worked at the FDA, I
got to kind of see behind the scenes and I
was just like, this is crazy. And so the other
thing that I noticed that really shocking is any depressants
(02:03):
are said to be effective by the drug regulators if
they simply reduce symptoms on a depression scale. Now that's
therapeutic for some people. But what I want to contrast
this against is you know, when you hear the term anidepressant,
you might think, well, you know, I'm going to do
better in my relationships or I'm going to be doing
(02:23):
better in my work or you know, it's going to
lift me out of depression and it's going to improve
my life in these tangible ways. That's not the outcome.
The outcome is decreased symptoms on a scale. And obviously
you can get that if you essentially just blunt emotional range.
And so what I really think is important for people
to know is that antidepressant is a marketing term. People
(02:45):
kind of can kind of imagine all sorts of things
when they hear antidepressant. Essentially, these are drugs. These are
mood constricting drugs. Yes, that effect can be experienced as
therapeutic for some people, but it can also hold you
back and make things worse. I mean, if blunting your
emotion range, you know, leads to you to staying in
a job that you don't like, staying in a relationship
that you don't like, being being blind to legitimate problems
(03:09):
or maybe health issues in your life that's actually working
against you, and I think that message has been lost.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's interesting that you bring this up because I was
just with a girl yesterday and she said her one
of her friends had a traumatic experience, her mother died
in a traumatic way, and that.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Was what she wanted.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
She said, I think at that point she wanted to
feel nothing, and they put her on these medications, and
she said it really did make it so that she
was not able to feel, and that was what she
wanted at the moment. It's five years later, she's struggling
to get off of them, and she said to her friend,
I can't explain it, but I feel I look at something,
I know it's sad. I want to have an emotion
(03:48):
and I cannot have any emotion at all.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, and I think that is a really common experience
that a lot of people go through. And I just
want to say just quickly, these drugs they have their
place and we will. And I'm a psychiatrist. I see
this all the time. People say I took it, it
was helpful. They'll even say it's life saving. I mean,
if your life isn't chaos and there's a lot of
(04:12):
things going on, if you take something that can numb
you or restrict your emotional range, you will experience that
as therapeutic. But the issue is, and this is what's
happened with your friend, is over time, you'll start to
notice that it's blunting positives and so yes, you're going
to feel less negatives, but you may not feel the
(04:33):
same way when you hug a loved one. You may
not feel the same way when something sad happens and
you go, I want to cry. You may feel blunted
to maybe things happening in your relationship. Maybe your wife
is upset, and in the past maybe you would have
been like, Okay, there's something going on. I can tell
just by the change her in the way she's responding
to me that I need to go and talk to
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her because something is festering. If you wipe that out,
you will you're going to miss and so well do
you make it.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I want to stop you there, because you make a
great point. But a wife can understand you're not doing
what I need you to do, and that can be
a conversation. It can be incredibly frustrating, and that person
may actually still not see it. But there is the
opportunity for the other adult in the relationship to say,
something's happening to you, we need to do something about it.
How is this impacting youth? Because when I was a kid,
(05:25):
these drugs really were not out there at all. I mean,
I think in the eighties is when we started to
see prozac, and I was in high school by the
time people were actually I was out of high school
by the time people were really being prescribed this kind
of medication. So I don't remember these situations happening. But
I look at kids today and they are completely ignored
(05:46):
by their parents, and I don't think their parents know
they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I mean, the impact. If I think about the impact
of these medications on youth, I mean, for me, it
boils down to some of the messaging that comes along
with these drugs. Now, let's talk about adolescence. This is
a very challenging time. You're hormonal, you're navigating relationships for
(06:12):
the first time. Maybe you're trying to find out your
purpose and what you want to do in life. In ours,
you know, in the zeal of the medical profession and
somewhat the pharmaceutical industry as well, to kind of promote
the drugs and also promote the messaging that people have
chemical imbalances and that they need these drugs, we are
changing the narrative about how people see totally normal problems
(06:35):
going through a breakup, devastated, you know, that used to
be normal. Now it's a chemical imbalance. Dealing with problems
of social isolation and loneliness. You might fix that in
the past, Okay, this is something I need to work on.
You know, you have a chemical imbalance, you know, not
certain about what you want to do in your life,
chemical imbalance. And so some of the issue is it
(06:55):
takes like these these smoke alarms, these normal things that
trouble people, and you know, when you take the drug,
it recosts it as a brain problem essentially, and people
are robbed of the opportunity of actually addressing issues. And
you could just imagine the problems that would have is
if you just kind of suppress the feelings about problems
(07:18):
happening in that person's life for like, I don't know,
ten years or something when they're on it. Eventually they're
going to have to deal with that when they come
off the drug later on. And so I personally worry
that it's getting in the way of just just general
maturation and the ability to deal with normal bumps in life.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well. And I worry that if you have a parent
that is on these medications. I mean, sometimes my daughters
come to me with something. I mean just the other
night I had one of them had an issue at
school and she was crying, and my reaction is very emotional,
you know, and I try. I'm holding it together for her,
but it is in my head the rest of the night,
(07:55):
the rest of the week, and I'm checking in with
her and I'm thinking about I know that you are
a emotionally hurting right now, and I need to come
around you and make sure that I'm supporting you through this.
But if you are on these medications, it is hard
to break through outer your emotions too. So as a parent,
can you identify when your child is in an emotional
(08:18):
state if you are not feeling those emotions, and if
children are in a situation where the parent is essentially
not bonding to them, what does that do to that
child as they grow up?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Sure? Yeah, and this is something that I have seen firsthand.
I have parents who tell me, hey, because this is
what I do. I bring people off the medications, and
they'll say, I had no idea how blocked I was
to the problems going on with my child. I would be,
you know, sitting there doing my work at home, and
(08:51):
they would come home after school and they would say
things to me, and I would just kind of shrug
it off completely. Missing that there's emotional problems going on.
When they come off, they start to notice it a
lot more and they realize they've they've missed quite a
lot of their child's emotional life. Now, the issue is
is that the person on the drug rarely realizes that
(09:13):
they have a problem because essentially you're in a drugged state.
So when it comes to how do you detect if
this is happening to you? It's so important to have
someone else, whether it's a spouse or family member or
a very trusted friend, know you're getting on the drug
because they are going to be the ones who will say,
you know what, you've kind of changed and I know
(09:35):
your karma, but I think it's actually harming you in
some ways. And so people need to be warned that
this can happen at the outset of use. But they
also need a spotter, you know, someone there who can
just say, hey, you might not realize this is this
is happening.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But the problem is they might not care because they
are in that state. I mean it's like a double
edged sword because you can go to that person and say.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Hello, this is not you, this is a totally different you.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And I mean I've had this experience with people where
they go, I can't function without this, so this is
the new me.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And then where does that leave everyone around them?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I mean that's a really challenging situation.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And if you that's why I say, this is something
that why does the FDA allow this?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Because the FDA passes this, says it's okay, not our problem.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
This is going to go to the families now, and
you are telling me, I mean, think about what you're
telling me. A doctor prescribes something, a non doctor, just
a loved one around you has to watch you and
be ready to say okay, it's gone too.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Far, you're no longer you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And yet you're fighting the medical system because the doctor
is still telling that person, no, you need this drug.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah. Yeah. It's a complicated issue, and I think one
of the problems is like when we study these drugs,
as I mentioned before, it's on this depression scale and
it's for twelve weeks, which is insane to be. I mean,
we should have said, like, if we're going to give
people drugs that change their mood and personality, because let's
(11:05):
face it, that's what these drugs are doing. We need
to measure outcomes. How many divorces are happening between the
two groups. How many people are saying that they're satisfied
in their job, because like, that's where this is going
to turn up. You know, when these drugs get in
the way of you know, your relationship and it can
lead to breakups. We actually need to be measuring these things,
(11:28):
and the FDA isn't doing that. And I think you
make a good argument that, you know, how safe are
these really if we're not measuring that and we're only
studying them for three months.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Hey stick around because we have more with doctor Joseph Wittouring.
But first I want to talk to you about my
partners at IFCJ. You guys remember so clearly it was
almost two years ago that terrorists went into Israel and
murdered more than twelve hundred innocent Israelis and took two
hundred and fifty hostages. There are still hostages today, and
it seems like the cries of the dead and dying
(12:01):
are being drowned out by this anti Semitic hatred.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You guys see it, We see it all over social media.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I am shocked by how intense the anti Semitic hatred
is right now, and this brutal attack on the Jewish people,
the most brutal attack since the Holocaust.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
It has been forgotten as.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We have a world that looks away, But there is
a light right now that shines in this darkness. It's
a moment of love and support. This is a movement
for the people of Israel called Flags of Fellowship and
it's organized by the International Fellowship of Christians in Jews.
On October fifth, it's just a few weeks away, there
are going to be millions of people across America that
(12:39):
will prayer fully plant an Israeli flag in honor and
in solidarity with the victims of October seven, twenty twenty three,
and they're grieving families. And you can be a part
of this movement too. To get more information about how
you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the
Fellowship online at IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org. Now,
(13:00):
stay tuned, we'll be back right after this. So there's
a lot of question about not only that, I mean
you talk about something very critical relationships and how this
affects people in their home life. But you see a
lot of violence today, a lot of violence and people
every time we see violence, they say, was there some
(13:24):
sort of psychiatric med involved. It's crazy to me because
we're so in tune to the fact that it could
be a psychiatric med that you don't ask any more.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Were they high on coke? Were they drunk? Were they
high on weed? It's always what.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Was prescribed to them. Let's get a toxicology report. We
want to know what was prescribed to them. And I
was reading earlier about the trans shooter in Nashville. This
is a young woman who was put on medication for
depression at six years old. Now, at six years old,
you cannot tell me that they knew that this child
was clinically depressed and that there wasn't there couldn't have
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been some other way to get this child through this
emotional time in their life. But from six on she
was on medication.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Is there a.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Connection between these mass shootings and this mass violence and
psychiatric meds?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, so there is a connection. But I have to
come in and say that this is a multi factorial problem.
I think we would all. I don't think anyone is
saying that every single mass shooting that occurs, you know,
psychiatric drugs involved. Although I get cost as saying that
sometimes there's issues of social contagion going on, there's issues
of access to guns, there's issues of drugs being involved,
(14:41):
and yes, there are issues of people being on psychiatric
medications which lead to behavioral disinhibition. My position on this
is that people need to start looking at all of
these factors, and they don't. They like to sweep it
away and just say, you know, it's it's guns or
it's mental illness. We are not looking at this in
a responsible way in terms of public health, and so
(15:04):
I'd like to talk about why I believe these medications
can lead to mass acts of violence and suicide. So
this is not something that is fringe. If you opened
the drug labels, you look at ADHD meds in the
Warnings and Precautions, which is the one of the highest
sections in the label for the most important risks, it
(15:25):
says right there it says hostility. That is a really
common side effect with ADHD medications. If you look at
drugs like Abilifi, which are antipsychotics, in the label it
will say homicidal ideation. This has been put in there
by the drug companies because they have noticed that this
is a side effect and this has happened. Sometimes if
you look at the antidepressants, it will say that they
(15:46):
increase the risk of suicidal thoughts and behavior. It also
lists aggression, irritability, and hostility in there. Okay, now that's
not exactly saying in the label these drugs can lead
to mass shootings. But already you're seeing that for some
people who are sensitive to these medications. Again, these are
rare side effects. They're not going to have that normal
(16:06):
like blunting emotional constricting effect. They're going to have a paradoxical,
unusual reaction which you cannot predict. It just has to
do with something about their biology, where they will become
more irritable, agitated, or aggressive. Again not common. Now, have
there been cases where this has led to mass acts
of violence already? And there have been, and these have
(16:29):
gone before judges and juries. You know, the most well
known case is Donald Shell. This was over in Wyoming.
He had previously taken prozac, he had a bad reaction,
he became worse, and then another doctor, not realizing that,
put him on a very similar medication called Paxel. They're
both SSRIs. It never should have happened. If you responded
(16:51):
negatively to one in the past and had behavioral problems.
You don't put someone on this again, but that happened
to him. Within a week of getting on this medication,
he developed a psychosis. He became homicidal and suicidal. He
killed his wife, he killed his daughter, and he killed
his granddaughter. He shot them all and then he killed himself. Now,
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the surviving son in law took this case against smith Klein.
You know, this is before GSK and the jury found
smith Klein to be eighty percent responsible for the death
for failure to warn. He was awarded a million you know, millions.
I think it was like six million dollars, which was
a lot in the early nineties. They appealed it, but
they were not successful and the verdict has stood. And
(17:34):
this has happened in many other cases. People the media
doesn't like to talk about this, but in many cases
when there has been behavioral adverse reactions and it's resulted
in violence or homicide, they have gone to the courts,
juris and judges. Objective people have heard the evidence and
then they have ruled that the drugs have been involved.
(17:55):
But when you say things like these, this these days
people say this is you know, this is a myth.
You're scaring people away from psychiatric medications. You're out there
trying to do harm. There's no way they can do this.
It's not true. It's in the labels already, it's happening
in the courts, and we need to look at this
with individual cases, and.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Because if we knew, then maybe as parents we would
even react differently. I read that the Parkland shooter had
been on ADHD drugs for many, many years, but his
behavior hadn't improved. And I think oftentimes teachers will even push.
I've even seen teachers push to get kids on medication.
(18:37):
So this kid was on ADHD drugs, he was very aggressive.
The reports from his childhood in the classroom, very aggressive,
very aggressive with parents, had thrown mom up against the wall.
Still on these drugs. Clearly, if you've been this aggressive
in school and you're under the care of a psychiatrist,
(18:58):
which I assume you are, if you're getting these However,
I will say I've known general practitioners that have been
able to give out these drugs, and the monitoring is different.
But I would assume that as a doctor, if you've
given someone this medication, you would continue to follow up
and say, how has the behavior changed, And mom and
dad are saying, my gosh, he's getting in trouble at school.
(19:20):
He threw mom up against the wall. That didn't change
the fact that they kept him on these meds. And
then he went in and there were reports, from what
I remember, there were reports that he had been saying,
I have these homicidal thoughts and he went in and
shot up an entire school. So when you say, you know,
(19:43):
people don't want to be freaked out about this, I agree,
But it's this is a fact. This is not like
a myth. This is not a maybe. This is a fact.
And parents are afraid every single day that they dropped
their kids off at the bus stop or at school
that there is going to be a Parkland kid that
could go in and do the same thing that this
kid did. And we deserve to know if these kids
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are on medications that are causing them to have the
negative reaction that should mean we take them off.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, we do deserve to know that. And I think
really a lot of the time the critics out there
who have an agenda against having this go out, you know,
whether it's you know, whether it's a drug company or
it's the American psychiatric assertion. Any group that has a
vested interest in the public seeing the drugs in a
favorable way. They almost wield this, oh, you're going to
(20:32):
scare them away from drugs as it's like a compassionate
thing to do for society. Society. Really it's a form
of intimidation against the critics. They want to say, you,
mister critic, you are dangerous. You know, how could you ever,
you know, spread such a conspiracy theory. But the reality
is that's not compassionate from a public health perspective, because
the compassionate thing to do is to be honest about
(20:53):
what's happening. I mean, you can even say it's rare
because it is rare, and just say despite this, we
need to start looking at these We need to start
looking at why is this being missed? You know, because
that's another issue that you touched on. And sorry. Another
piece of information is eighty percent of these drugs are
given out by family medicine physicians. Most people listening right
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now will know that they get probably five to seven
minutes of FaceTime with their family doctor, and that is
how these people are being monitored. And when you are
monitoring someone in five to seven minutes, and you're spending
half of the time talking about some other health problem.
Are you really going to be able to conduct a
history where you're saying, is this drug making them worse
in some way? Tell me about their behavior, let me
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call their mom, let me talk to someone at the school.
What is happening is so none of that happens. They
just simply assume that the mental illness is worsening, and
they increase the dose or they add another drug because
it is expedient and it is faster than really kind
of digging into things, and so adverse behavioral side effects
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are frequently missed because they are haunted detect in short visits.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Let's take a quick commercial break.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. On what
point do you say that doctors should be investigated if
they have a history of having patients just kind of
load up on drugs. And I'm serious about this, and
I know people will go, oh, well, you don't know
what's best for the patient, But I know people that
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they put them on an antidepressant, they put them on
an anti anxiety, they put them on adderall all three
of those, and then they end up having a facial
tick and they have to go on some medication for that,
and then they end up having high blood pressure and
they have to go on a medication for that, and suddenly.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You are trying to patch.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's like there's holes in this bucket and you're trying
to patch every possible place to prove that a medication
is doing something good while it destroys every other part
of this person's body.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, I mean, you're going to get a hot take
from me. This is not but I think most people believe.
But personally, I don't think family medicine doctors should be
prescribing things like antidepressants. I mean, you're giving a drug
that can potentially change someone's personality and their mood. It
can affect their relationships and their work, and their ability
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to recognize problems in their life. That should be done
by a psychiatrist who has enough time. Now we have
this narrative in society now where it's like depression anxiety.
It's so common, these drugs are so safe. I think
it's completely wrong, and I think that needs to be changed.
I think we need to treat these drugs, which can
be useful for some people with the respect that they
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deserve and with the time that they deserve, because listen,
there's nothing more complicated than giving someone a drug that
can alter their mood and personality.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So you shared a post recently.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's really graphic, but I want to talk about it
because you shared this post about this person getting an
MRI and it was shocking to me, but not shocking
to me because I'm a cancer survivor. So I've been
through the MRIs and the cat scans and the biopsies,
and one of my biopsies for my cancer, they said
(24:10):
we're going to do this biopsy and I thought, yeah,
I've had other biopsies, that's fine, and they were like,
it's going to be a mammogram biopsy and I.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Had no idea what this was.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And you have to climb up on this machine and
you're like half on top and half on bottom. They're
sticking needles through your body parts and you can't move
at all, like not at all. And they told me
ahead of time, you can't move, your legs are going
to be up above you, your arms will be out.
If you even so much just have an itch, you
have to tell us you cannot move. And afterward I
(24:40):
got down and the woman said, did you take the valuume?
And I said, what are you talking about? And she said, oh,
that test is so stressful. Generally we offer someone volume
ahead of time. And I said, oh, nobody mentioned that.
She said, you were just very calm, because when you're
in that situation. I mean, I know that there are
people who panic, but I do think that they talk
(25:02):
you through it enough that they know if you're ready
or not. But you shared with a story about a
patient who was going into an MRI and they offered
them an anxiety med before they went in. The patient
had a terrible reaction, gouged out their own eye and
ate it. That is terrifying to me.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yes, and so again, you know, putting it in context. Listen,
this is the first time I've ever heard of it.
They and people you need to hear that these medications
in rare instances, they can have very serious side effects.
And so that that's the point that I want people
to hear. Benz thatiazepines, which are commonly used to help people,
you know, go in the narrow tube of an MRI.
(25:46):
They you know, they relax people, but they can cause
paradox reactions. Like all drugs, And the point when I
put that out there, because it was graphic and it
was shocking, was that we've gotten so use to just oh,
you have a little bit of anxiety, just just take it.
You're a little nervous about being in the narrow tube,
take this medication. What has happened to us? I think
(26:11):
we can tell people like, yes, some situational anxiety is normal,
some claustrophobia is normal, and you know what, the drug
has side effects. Maybe we go ahead and we try
it without I'll be there with you. I'm going to
reassure you You're going to get through this. It's okay.
Very quickly, we just default to using meds, which you know,
in rare instances can have absolutely horrific outcomes.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That is probably one of the most terrific things I've
ever heard, and I honestly I would have read it
and said no way, except for having my own experience
in the hospital of them saying, you know, we generally
offer this to everybody, and I think we've had this
inherent trust in the medical system, and you know, honestly,
(26:56):
back then, that was ten years ago, I probably would
have been like, Okay, they're telling me. Most people take this,
I should take it without thinking I'm fine, I don't
need this.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And that's the thing that.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I think is the unusual part about psychiatric meds. It's
kind of like someone saying you need this even if
you haven't, if you haven't discussed I'm not anxious about
this test. There's a push to take it regardless, like
we have a solution for you. And yet when you
look at it with common sense, you would say, you
(27:28):
know what, am I going to take a pill every
day and it is going to magically change everything in
my life?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Uh? You know, preach is what I'm going to say,
because I think there's something common sense about that where
it's like, how could that ever make sense that you
could take a pill and you know, with the complexity
of the mind and the human experience, that you could
expect that to solve your relationship problems, your spiritual issues,
your problems in your work. It's simply not true. It
is It is just it's too good to be true.
(27:56):
And because it's not that, I mean, that's not what
they do.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Thank you so much for being here with us today,
doctor Joseph Witt during and we're going to have you
back in the next podcast. We're going to dig into
some pretty crazy subjects. We're going to talk about cannabis,
and I know a lot of people think cannabis is safe.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We're going to get into some of the things you
might actually not know about cannabis.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
We're also going to talk a little bit deeper about
those side effects from these drugs that have sexual dysfunction.
But also we're going to get into the trans issue.
So it's going to be very interesting to hear what
the good doctor has to say. But thank you all
for joining us today on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. You know,
as always, you can go to Tutor dixonpodcast dot com
(28:36):
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