September 25, 2025 • 60 mins
Radical Leftwing Violence
President Donald Trump meets with the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and addresses the press on multiple issues. The hosts analyze Trump’s remarks, including his blunt assessment of rising left-wing violence and his warning that radical rhetoric from Democrats is fueling domestic terrorism. The discussion shifts to the U.S. economy, highlighting a surprising 3.8% GDP growth in Q2, record-high stock prices, and falling interest rates. Clay and Buck break down how lower mortgage rates could unlock the housing market and why economic growth—not spending cuts—may be the only path to balancing the federal budget. They also touch on Elon Musk’s prediction that AI-driven innovation could help offset ballooning deficits.
Phony Comey
The conversation zeroes in on James Comey, the former FBI Director, as reports suggest possible criminal charges for lying under oath before the statute of limitations expires. Clay and Buck revisit Comey’s controversial role in targeting General Michael Flynn and his history of aggressive prosecutions, including the Martha Stewart case. They stress the importance of accountability to prevent the U.S. from descending into “banana republic” politics.
Autism and Tylenol
Dr. Mehmet Oz, now serving as CMS Administrator under President Trump and HHS Secretary RFK Jr., joins the show to discuss groundbreaking developments in autism research, including promising results from leucovorin therapy for children and emerging concerns about acetaminophen (Tylenol) use during pregnancy. He emphasizes transparency in government health data and warns against overusing medications during pregnancy.
The conversation explores the alarming rise in autism rates—now estimated at 1 in 31 children—and potential environmental and lifestyle factors, including allergies, chemical exposure, and older parental age. Dr. Oz underscores the need for urgent research and public awareness, noting that autism prevalence has increased fivefold in 25 years.
Nerding Out with Ryan
In-depth political analysis with guest Ryan Girdusky, host of It’s a Numbers Game. The discussion kicks off with the New Jersey governor’s race, where New Jersey Republican Jack Ciattarelli is gaining momentum against Democrat Mikie Sherrill. Despite Democrats’ historic voter advantage, recent polls show a tightening race, fueled by Sherrill’s controversies—including a viral debate stumble and a resurfaced Naval Academy cheating scandal from 1994. Girdusky explains how skyrocketing electricity costs, driven by data center energy demands, have become a top voter concern in both New Jersey and Virginia, shaping campaign strategies.
The conversation shifts to Virginia’s gubernatorial showdown between Republican Winsome Sears and Democrat Abigail Spanberger. Sears is focusing on cultural issues like transgender participation in women’s sports and locker rooms, while Spanberger avoids clear answers, offering vague responses that Clay and Buck criticize as political double-speak. The hosts argue that Democrats in purple states often run as moderates but govern as progressives, warning voters about the stakes in these off-year elections.
Next, attention turns to the New York City mayoral race, where progressive candidate Zohran Mamdani is the overwhelming favorite according to betting markets, despite a crowded field including Andrew Cuomo, Eric Adams, and Curtis Sliwa. Girdusky predicts Mamdani’s win could have national implications for Democrats in the 2026 midterms, as his far-left policies on policing and immigration could become a liability for the party’s brand.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Thursday edition of Clay and Bought kicks off right now,
and let's just jump to it. We got in the
Oval office President Trump with the premiere of Turkey. He
is sitting down, they are talking, he is taking questions.
Let jump to it.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Play it. Great friendship, President Trump.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A few news items. Sorry, well, he said that the
right is a lot tougher than the left.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
That's true for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We'll give you some of the top sound bites and
some of the most important things from all of this
here coming up shortly. We've also got some news on
the economy. James Comy in the headlines once again because
of the possibility of charges against Kombe before that five
(00:48):
year clock runs out on the Statute of Limitations. We've
got more updates also on the ice facility, that fatal
shooting that happened yesterday, discuss that Hillary Clinton is weighing
in on things, a whole range of things right now,
which we will share with you so we can pull
apart her preposterous arguments. And we've also got Washington Post
(01:14):
yesterday reporting that marked classified material was found in the
home of former Trump national security advisor Bolton. He's also
formerly a Fox News contributor, so a lot of you
have seen him on Fox. He's the guy with the
mustache he'd seen over many years. That's not good. If
that is accurate, he's in. If that reporting, i should say,
(01:35):
is accurate, that's going to be a very tough one
to explain to anyone. And he's not a former president.
There's no basis for him to have declassified anything. So
we can talk a little bit more about that. But
I just want to note I love when we can
take a moment for just some positive news. And here
is CNBC's Rick Santelli saying the look second quarter GDP
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even a little better than anticipated. Play clip one.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Now on the GDP side, this is our third time
around the block on Q two, and we see a
really solid revision three point eight percent. I'm a bit shocked,
to be honest. Usually the revisions as you get to
second and third become smaller and smaller. So three point
eight percent would be the best quarter going back to
and we have to go back aways here to four
(02:25):
point four and that was the third quarter of twenty three. Now,
it is important to point out that if you look
at the first quarter, final down half of percent. There's
a balance there, but the balance is moving in favor
of Momentum is moving in.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Favor for better growth.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Clay looking pretty good still on the economy, and Trump
not getting much credit for it from the media for
obvious reasons. But if somebody had told me at the
start of his presidency, this is where the numbers would be,
and this is how the markets and also how rates
and inflation and everything would look at this point, it's
pretty darn good. I think the president should be happy,
(03:03):
certainly with the progress so far we've seen in year one.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
No doubt, and we've got record basically high stock prices.
You've got overall inflation continuing to come down. The much
maligned impact of tariffs seem to be nonexistent. All of
the experts are now buck as you watch, coming out
and saying, hey, well, we haven't seen the pricing impact
(03:28):
that we thought from the tariff situation. The overall interest
rates are coming down, Jerown Powell is behind on being
able to do that, but we just got the quarter
point decline. There's a forecast of a couple of more
declines on interest rates and then going into next year.
So I would suspect that you're going to see fifteen
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and thirty year mortgages continue to come down, which is
going to help to free up you were talking I
think we were talking about this off air, the degree
to which the housing market has been just rosen to
a large extent, Because look, if you were fortunate enough
to get one of those two and a half or
three percent mortgages, you don't want to move. And if
(04:10):
you were unfortunate enough to buy and have a seven
percent mortgage, I'm telling you you're going to start to
see a lot of movement as those mortgage rates get
down to four and a half five percent and there
starts to be less of a major difference in potentially
moving selling homes. I think when the housing market just
kind of gets unlocked and it starts to move freely
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as is a more liquid asset class, I think you're
going to see a lot of rapid growth. But three
point eight percent growth is amazing. Look, there's two ways
to balance a budget. One is to essentially cut spending.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
In a massive way. That's what Doje was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
There is I'm just going to tell you there is
no political will to massively cut spending. Democrats aren't going
to do it. Republic aren't going to do it. And
this is where I think Elon Musk is correct. So
how do you get about balancing the budget. You have
to grow the economy and you have to grow the
revenue that the growing economy is going to produce.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I think that's where Elon now is saying, Hey, AI
is going to potentially be so transformative in what it
provides to the overall economy that we're just going to
have to grow our way to get past the ballooning
national deficits. Because people like things, and when you give
them things they do not want Santa Claus.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Santa Claus is very tough to compete with, getting free
goodies that you don't have to pay for over and
over again, and you know, people get very It's funny too,
because everyone wants to cut It's like everyone's a hero
when it comes to the budget until you actually talk
about what has to be cut from the budget, and
then we have some we have some big problem.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So this is what I wanted to play before. I
just wanted to know this was just said by President Trump.
Now just to set this up, play so we've had
the Charlie Kirk assassination, which we are all still dealing
with the trauma and the heartbreak of that. Honestly, also
the processing of how many lunatics are out there who
(06:19):
were celebrating such a horrific event is that's also in
a way its own trauma, I think as an American
and much lesser than seeing what happened with Charlie. But
for a lot of people, it's made it's brought it
home to them as well, that there could be anybody
they know in their life or so that that would
celebrate such a horrific thing.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
There's that.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
There's now the we'll have more details on this to
share with everybody, more reporting on it. But the guy
who killed he killed two migrants at the ice facility.
So this guy is anti ice, but he killed two
migrants being processed in an ice facility because he just
opened fire. So this, I mean, it's horrible no matter what.
(06:58):
But also you just add, this person is such a
such a gross and evil individual that he killed. He's
upset about what's happening to migrants.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
We killed two of them. It's clearly.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
ABI has released a couple of more data points on
that guy. We try to avoid naming these guys, so
I'm not going to do that, but he downloaded the
list of DHS facilities. This is according to libs of TikTok,
repeated searches on the Charlie Kirk shooting, tracked ICE agent
movements through apps and had a handwritten note saying, quote,
(07:33):
hopefully this will give.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
ICE agents real terror.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So anyone out there who is trying to argue that
this is anything other than yet another left wing shooter
motivated by left wing political arguments is being dishonest to you.
And again that is the absolute latest in terms of
the FBI investigation that they have reported.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So this is cut twenty seven. Trump spoke about I'm sorry,
cut twenty six. Eighteen twenty eight, Trump spoke about this
left wing violence play. What are you hold responsible for
the uptake and left wing violence?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Radical left rhetoric, The radical left is causing the problem.
They're out of control, they're saying things, and they're really
dumb people. I mean, I look at Crockett, I look
at some of these people. They're very low IQ people actually.
But the radical left is causing this problem, not the right.
The radical left and it's going to get worse, and
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ultimately it's going to go back on them. I mean,
bad things happen when they play these games. And I'll
give you a little clue. The right is a lot
tougher than the left. But the right's not doing this.
They're not doing it, and they better not get them
energized because it won't be good for the left. And
I don't want to see that happen either. I'm the
president of all the people. But the radical left is
(08:52):
causing this radical left democrats are causing this problem, and
it gets worse, it gets worse, so it'll be a
point where other people won't take it anymore, and that
will not be good for the radical left.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So we don't want that play.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I just appreciate that the President is saying it in
the most plain spoken, straightforward, no nonsense way possible. He's like,
the left is the problem, guys, the left are the
ones doing the violence. I just also wish that we
all could say, or we could just be reminded that
Davy Crockett, fantastic American icon. Crockett coffee, a delicious coffee.
(09:29):
When he's saying Crockett, he's referring to Congresswoman Crockett, who
is causing some brand some brand problems sometimes. But yes,
the left is the problem. The left is where the
violence is.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Another left wing violent incident that has been getting some
attention this morning, Buck that ties into what the President
was just saying. This is a Fox News alert. A
man's been arrested charged after allegedly making social media threats
against a Charlie Kirk vigil at the University of Texas,
San Antonio. This man allegedly suggested on social media he
(10:03):
planned to use his truck to drive through and disrupt
the Charlie Kirk vigil. I mean, this is everywhere, and
it's happening in every state. And again, the gunman who
opened fire yesterday at the Dallas Ice facility has a
(10:23):
left written record that he wanted to provide real terror
for Ice agents and that he again, I mean, this
is just not.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
We We didn't even mention this either, because there's so
much of this stuff. A guy shot up in ABC
we haven't news affiliate.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, And second, he was upset.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
About Jimmy Kimmel being taken off the air, so he
shot up an ABC news affiliate. Jimmy Kimmel's back on
the air, I might add, and you're like, these people
are such maniacs that they're going to shoot at innocent
people because some guy was some millionaire jerk was taken
off the air for a couple of days, like he'd
got a free vacation out of it. How much more
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of this you stack these things up? How much more
of this has to happen? That's all clearly politically aligned
with Democrats, with the left, with the Commis. Before there's
just no there's no argument, there's no debate anymore.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I saw Megan Kelly Clay was at was at what
was it to Virginia Tech. I think it was a
speaking you know, as part of turning point now reaching
out and having people go to campuses to continue Charlie's work,
and some kid did the whole. The violence comes from
the right. The violence comes from the right. People are delusional.
They're being fed lies by the Democrat media and by
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the Democrat you know, think tanks and everything else and
the Democrat Party, and what they're being told is just absurd.
I mean, how can you make this how can you
make this claim with a straight face? Where is this right?
Wing violence or we're gonna have to hear about JA
six again. Is that that that's the big terror, that's
the worst than nine to eleven. Remember they used to
say that is worse than nine to eleven. Yeah, worse
(12:06):
than nine to eleven, worse than Pearl Harbor, the worst
thing that's happened in the country since the Civil War.
That's legitimately what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris argued about
January sixth. I mean that was their direct talking point,
worst thing that's happened in the country since the Civil War.
I'm worried, Clay that people are going to recognize more
and more that even if Democrats wanted to put this
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genie back in the bottle, so to speak, even if
they wanted to close up Pandora's box with all the
lies they have told about the fascist republic aidents who
were destroying democracy and all this stuff, I don't even
think that they could do this. I don't think they
could turn it off now, is my point. I think
they have unleashed this long enough on the American people
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that we are going to have to continue to suffer
through what are just waves of domestic terrorism, plain and
simple by people who think because the New York Times
and CNN and Joe Biden and Kamala told them, they
think they're fighting fascism, and by fascism they mean Nazis.
Like no one's really going around like Trump is just
like Mussolini. It's Nazis. And the reason they want to
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compare the Nazis is so they feel justified in being
violent against us. It's very straightforward. It's insane, but it's straightforward.
The reason they say that is so they have an
excuse to kill us. Yeah, that's the simple truth. And
the fact that they've done it for ten years. By
the way, I don't believe that any of the Democrat
leadership actually believes that argument, right, because if they did.
(13:33):
When Donald Trump got hit in the ear and when
another guy tried to kill him, they wouldn't have said, well,
we condemned that violence, right, If you truly thought Trump
was hitler, you should be honest and say, well, I
wish they hadn't missed. They never say that because they
know it would play so poorly in the larger public.
But with their.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Deranged, lunatic base. I don't know what percentage of them,
but enough of them to kill Charlie Kirk, and enough
of them to kill Bill at the Dallas ice facility,
and enough of them to go to Brett Kavanaugh's house,
and enough of them to show up at the softball
baseball team practice and start firing away.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
There is a.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Deranged, lunatic fringe of the left that is acting on
what they believe that is true, coming from the Democrat base.
Their arguments and buck they think they're heroes. You have
to go into these misguided soul's brains and think about
the way that they are motivating themselves. They're making it
clear why they're doing what they're doing. They're writing it
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on the bullets. They think they.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Are heroes for the actions that they are undertaking.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Well, look at men Luigi whatever his name is, yes,
and how he there are leftists who think he is
a hero. He's got fans, he has fans everybody. This
guy murdered an American father, husband. It's a guy's doing
his job. You can say you don't like healthcare companies,
all you want murder somebody because they work at a
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healthcare company or they run a healthcare company. A lot
of leftists think that that was great, and they say
it online. They're insane. You don't see this on the right.
It's not to it. So Trump is correct hammer this point.
It is not a both sides thing. The problem is
on the left. The problem is with the Democrats, and
we have to face up to that as a country.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
All right.
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here to Clay and Buck. And we were just talking
a moment ago before. We should have brief paused there
to get into the comy situation. Now, let's be clear,
nothing has happened yet. There's a lot of discussion though,
(17:36):
a lot of reporting that is indicating that someone thinks
high up the chain. There will be charges brought against
James Colly, the former FBI director, for lying under oath.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And this may or.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
May not happen, but there has certainly been a lot
of chatter about it, and there's a lot of reporting
suggesting that it is likely to happen. And so Clay
I thought that we should remind everybody because I really
always want to make sure that any time someone has
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the possibility of their freedom being taken away, even for
a day, never mind for months or even years, I
always want to make sure that the person is guilty
of the crime and that it is a reasonable punishment
for the crime that they have committed, you know, because
if we start getting into third world banana republic stuff
(18:34):
of people, oh you mean, like what they did to Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Trust me, I know.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We can't allow this country to go on that pathway.
Avoiding that does require consequences for those who have been
involved in trying to do that. And if they broke
the law, if you broke the law, trying to use
the law as a weapon against people in politics, laws,
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the law. All right, that's where we're all supposed to
be on this That's the only Without that, we have
nothing right. Without that, everything just starts to become pure
power stuff. And Clay, this is a throw This is
a throwback flashback December of twenty eighteen at the Well
in New York City, James Combe talking Tonicle Wallace. I
(19:19):
want everyone to hear this exchange before we to be
reminded of who this guy, James Comby really is, because
I think this encapsulates it really well.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Play three.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Look at this White House now and it's hard to
imagine two FBI agents sending up in the State Room.
How did that happen?
Speaker 8 (19:34):
I sent them something we I probably wouldn't have done
or maybe gotten away with in a more organized investigation,
more organized administration in the George W. Bush administration, for example,
or the Obama administration. The protocol two men that all
of us have perhaps increased appreciation for over the last
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two years. And in both of those administrations, there was process.
And so if the FBI wanted to send agents into
the White House itself to interview a senior official, you
would work through the White House Council and to be
discussions and approvals and who would be there. And I
(20:18):
thought it's early enough, let's just send a couple of
guys over.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Played, And so.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
We placed a call to Flynn, said, Hey, we're sending
a couple of guys over. I hope you'll talk to them.
He said, sure. Nobody else was there. They interviewed him
in a conference room at the White House Situation Room,
and he lied to them. And that's what he's now
played guilty to.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
What did he think they were coming over there for.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
I don't think he knew. I know we didn't tell him.
Just said, we've got a couple sending over a couple
of agents. I want to ask you some questions. I
didn't have this conversation my deputy director did, but I
hope he had a few minutes you can sit down
and talk to them.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And he said, sure, I just want to say this
before we get into some of the specifics. If call
me broke the law, he should face the full consequences
of a law. He's a scumbag and I hope he
spends years in prison if he broke the law. And
there are people who seem to think that he did.
Did you hear I mean, when you listen to what
this guy did to General Flynn. They used the Logan
(21:22):
Act as a pretext to send FBI agents to the
incoming National Security Advisor's office to just have a conversation.
He thought they were probably just, you know, welcoming him
to the new administration. And then they claim, with no
proof other than their word against his that he lied
about non illegal activity that he was completely justified in doing.
(21:45):
And they only did this because they on mass phone
calls abusing Pfizer in the process.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
This is also where the statute of limitations play in.
And I know we've talked about this statute of limitations
issue on a lot of these cases, and I know
people roll their eyes and they try to say, well,
it's an ongoing conspiracy and all these things. The COMI charges,
based on my reading statute of limitations related Buck must
(22:13):
happen almost immediately. In other words, they're going to be
able to argue, Hey, that Statute of Limitations has told
we are no longer able to be charged under these auspices.
And given that we know many federal district court judges,
the people who were likely be assigned these cases are
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not going to be favorably disposed to the Trump administration.
You've got to have everything lined up when you bring
these charges, and you've got to get it done well.
And we haven't even talked about this Buck, but I
think we probably should have. There are tons. I think
it's like seven or eight different individuals that the DC
Grand Jury has refused to indict for blatant crimes during
(22:59):
the Trump crime surge to try to bring down crime
in DC. The grand jury has just said, for instance,
the guy who threw the sandwich at the cop, it's
on video, blatant he did it. They just said, yeah,
we're not indicting for this. So the politics of DC
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when it comes to getting people indicted, even when you
have evidence on video of crimes being committed. Some of
the grand jury members are just like, nah, I kind
of agree with what they did. I'm not going to
agree to charge his here being evil. Absolutely, it's very political,
but I wanted everyone to hear what a sanctimonious comebag
(23:40):
Comy is. He's called him sancta comy Clay back in
the day. He's a bad dude. He's always been a
bad dude. He's slithered from one administration to another within
the bureaucracy and somehow always ended up, you know, elevating himself.
And he's the guy who, over the objects of fellow prosecutors,
(24:02):
wanted Martha Stewart to go to prison just because he.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Wanted to make a name for himself. Martha Stewart worth
reminding everybody served time in prison. Okay, the lady who
was like, you know, here's how to make the most
delicious summer salad. And you know, you all know Martha
Stewart went to prison because she got jammed up with
an investigation of her talking to her broker. And they
(24:29):
say that she lied about the conversation with the broker.
It wasn't even illegal, it wasn't inside her trading.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Did she only.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Make like two hundred K. I mean, I'm not trying
to minimize. I think it was like Clay. I think
it was like thirty or forty K the trade. I
think it was a small trade. It was small.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It was she's a billionaire and a billion back, and
there were far fewer of them. She's a billionaire, there's
like thirty or forty grand and Cally was on a
quest send her and everybody was like, this guy's kind
of a weirdo, like this has come out. Rgiliana told
me this personally at the time. He was like, Yeah,
when Comy was going after Martha Stewart, we were all like,
(25:05):
what is this guy doing? But I want to I
wanted to point out what he did to General Flynn.
This is a guy who served in the military for
thirty years, was di IA director and was going to
be the National Security Advisor, and Comy just wanted to
take him out. Comy set a the FBI director set
a perjury trap for the incoming National Security Advisor based
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on a non crime. Let me tell you, if someone
starts interrogating you and you don't think you're being interrogated,
and you get a.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
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That's really yeah quick.
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That was that was so diabolical was that they didn't
even he didn't even really realize.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
What was going on.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I mean, this would be like imagine two FBI guys
were talking about a case and one of them is like,
you know what, I think you lied to me.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I'm gonna bring charges against you.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's like, wait, we're on the same team. What are
you talking about? That was that was what this was like.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
This was we're the executive branch FBI employees coming to
talk to National Security Advisor in the White House for
the explicit purpose, the clear purpose of taking Comy thought
it was funny. Comy thought it was you hear He's
all they're all laughing.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's so great. They took out General Finn.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Took out General Finn for what speaking to his COUNTERPARTI
or in a sense, the ambassador of Russia, saying, look,
we're coming in. You know, let's talk this out. We
come in.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He didn't do anything illegal.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
The Logan Act, Clay, the Logan Act has been not
successfully prosecuted to completion once in two hundred years. Yeah,
and that's what he pulls out. And that's because the
logan A can apply to basically anything. I'm going to
Taiwan tomorrow. I'm running my own foreign policy. I mean,
this is absurd, right, but if I am, then thousands,
tens of thousands of people in DC are. So it's
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I wanted to everyone be reminded that Comy's a bad guy,
and Trump isn't exaggerating what he says. This is a
bad individual who is a narcissistic freak and wanted to
really harm people and abuses power to do so. And
so if he lied under oath, he loves sending other
people to prison, lying under oath about the most minute things.
If he lied under oath, his ash should go to
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jail too, full stop.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
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going to run into statute of limitations related issues. We'll
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Speaker 2 (29:37):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined now by
doctor Oz, doctor memant oz Or as the Administrator for
the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under HHS Secretary
RFK Junior and President Trump. Doctor Oz, Welcome to the show.
Is always good to talk.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
To you, good talkers always. It's been an active week.
I justpect you'll want to speak a bit about of
autism and what might work.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, let's talk about autism and the pil and all
situation here, Doc, what is actually what do we know?
What is being recommended? What is actually going on? And
let's just stay as tight to the facts as we
can on this one, because there's a lot of passion
around this topic.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
There is Let's take a step back for one second
and just make it really clear. There is no political
benefit to President trumb talking about this. This is a
wholescale departure from what historically has happened with data within government,
which is we perhaps the opake process. You don't really
know what we know. Eventually we figured it all out
and tell you the best we can. We saw that
that in covid at backfires when moms think that they're gaslighting,
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they're being gas lit because they're not getting access to data.
So the President charged all of US sector candy beating
the process. We're just breaking all the silos, breaking the barriers.
Just do the work and release the information when you
have it. This is the first example, there we mutual ones.
So let's go over the data. Fifty million dollars is
put into a process to try to research autism, say
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about a short at the NIH has been allocating that
money in grants along the way studying what's going on
with autism, and discovered two signals, two leads that were
intriguing enough that after a lot of discussion, we were
decided to share with the American people. The first had
to do with a prescription medication called lucuvorn, which no
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one's ever heard of, But prescription lucuvorn is essentially a
way of getting B vitamins into the brains of children.
Why is that a problem? We believe that there's a
fair amount of pathology around B vitamins in the brains
of kids who have autism. That's one of the reasons
their brain get cloudy, foggy, they can't really process information,
they don't learn to speak right. And so if we
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can reverse that problem, which is caused by their genes
in some cases that we know of, and by antibodies
blocking those receptors those pathways into the brain, and others,
that would make a difference. It turn up with a
couple of hundred kids in different small studies that about
half the kids seem to benefit when given this medication. Correctly,
it's not perfect. We don't know enough about it to
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make broader promises. But I asked the key question, claim
but both you just tell me that if you just
resonates with you. I asked the question everyone should ask
their doctor, would you do it for your kid? And
the answer I got over and over again was yes,
we don't go for sure, but because it's so safe
and the drug's been around forever, we think it will
be worth it, so we release that information. At the
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same time, there was a data that's been around for
a couple of years, but more and more of it
coming out about potential concerns around a set of menifit,
which is the raw material in talid ale. Now, I
want to say this as crisply and clearly, sticking to
the facts as you asked me to. If you have
a high fever, if you've got a bad problem, please
talk to your docts. If you're pregnant, make sure that
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they're involved, and take the centimnifen, which is pretty much
the only drug we would use in that setting, and
it's the drug that most doctors use myself included in
that setting because all the other drugs seem to have
bigger problems, and having high fevers itself causes a problem.
So this is not a warning never to take the drug. However,
in cases where there was a lot of use of
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this drug, that does seem to be a signal concerning
enough that we were sharing it that women subsequently have
babies to develop autism. So the message really is, if
you have a low grade temperature, if you stub your toe,
don't use the medication. Willy nilly, use it thoughtfully, recognizing
that any medication is strong enough to help you is
strong enough to hurt you.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Doctor.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
As you have kids, Buck has a baby, I've got three.
I want to run through a couple of things because
I know we got a lot of moms and with
a lot of grandmas out there, and everybody when they
get pregnant, by and large, is trying to do the
best possible things they can for the baby that they
are carrying. And there's a couple of things out there
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that I was going to point out, and how complicated
and sometimes even to the detriment that all of these
strictures can be. In America, they say women should need
sushi pregnant women, they say that women should not have
alcohol at all, as I'm sure you're aware. In Japan,
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women continue to eat sushi throughout pregnancy, most no issues.
In France, women continue to drink glasses of wine. I
mean they're not pounding bottles of wine and getting super drunk.
By and large, kids aren't having issues there. Circling back,
I read in the New York Times today you may
have more accurate data than this that now I believe
it's one in every thirty one kids is being classified
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as autistic. Those numbers are have skyrocketed. Something is going
on right. Either we're identifying autism way more, and maybe
that's partly it. Maybe we are, Maybe there are multiple
different factors out there. You're a doctor, though, and I'd
just like to go baseline, what would you tell a
woman who just found out she's pregnant right now that
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is concerned about autism that she should do, in your opinion,
to be the absolute healthiest. And obviously one answer is
she can talk to her doctor. But if this were
your if this were your daughter and you were about
to have a grand baby, what would you tell her.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
The most important thing you can do and when you're
pregnant is actually to be calm and realistic about the numbers.
You will almost certainly do well. Mortality rates obviously are
very low because we're so good generally at taking care
of crises or complications when they occur, and anxiety itself
is a problem doing pregnancy. So recognize that you're in
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pretty good shape and you're lucky to be born in
an era where we have high quality care. That stated,
there are some unforced errors, rookie errors. You want to
avoid Trusting that there's one product that's so safe that
you can take it whenever you think you might have
a small little thing not right, is unwise. We just
don't know. There's so many things happening during pregnancy. With
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that miraculous process where these cells are growing at a
fast rate, differentiating into organs, everything's got to work. It's
sort of a miracle that it ever works. But it
almost always does work because we get out of the way.
If I say the same thing to my kids, is
when it could, I've got five grandkids now when we're
coming say just get out of the way of biology
and let it run itself. A low grade temperature is
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a healthy thing, usually because it'll kill the virus that's
bothering you, but it doesn't hurt your own cells. Don't
trust external substances of any kind. I don't think alcohol
is a good thing to do when you're pregnant, and
you shouldn't have to drink alcohol to be able to
get through your day. So, yes, you know, if you're
going to toast someone, that's different, but it should not
be part of the norm. If it's a cleaner you eat,
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the better. Do not trust the environment to be clean.
Go out of your way. Air, purrefires, water purefires are
wise moves. It's the time for you to be so
careful because you're the canary in the coal mine. Anything
that's not right in the world around us would have
an increased detrimental effect on you and your fetus. And
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then they take one step back up because you mentioned
this stat one in thirty one kids that'll have autism,
just to put us in perspective, that is five times
more than it was in twenty twenty five years ago,
five times more. So. It's not genetics. And I don't
buy the canard that this is all about measurement. Because
I just turned sixty five, I'm running the agency that
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I'm a member of now, medicare right. There aren't any
people my age that I know of who have autism.
Bobby Kennedy, secretary of Kennedy is Found, you know, reminds
all of us that he and his whole life never
met anyone his age who has autism. I'm sure they're
out there, but they're not very common. Whereas you go
to school today, if you think of kids to school,
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you talk to the other parents, many of those parents
have kids with autistic children. It changes their life. So
the President's passionate about this comes from a realization this
is not genetic, this is not measurement. There is a
change in our environment. He is on daunted. He will
find it and pursue it. And these are two clues
of how to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Doctor Oz, I wanted to follow up on this is
it you're and now I'm asking more for your analysis
and maybe even a bit of your your gut instinct
on this. Having practiced medicine for decades and now having
access to, uh, you know, the data on these things
at a very high level. On the policy side, when
you're talking about that we just established that that really
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deeply troubling rise of autism. Do you think it is
most likely to be a multi factor problem that has
caused the increase, as in several things you know together,
or just several things in general, or do you think
that it might be a really one primary culprit that
will be found. It's just a question of whittling down
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the data and pursuing the science and finally getting us
to what's really at the heart of this of this crisis.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
I believe it's a multi factor, but they may work
through common mechanisms. For example, I brought up the reality
that Folli eight levels are low in the brain full
It comes from foliage leafy greens, So this vitamin benign
is a critical element in brain development. It's possible that
several of the things we're worried about all work to
inhibit the ability of the tragule child's brain to take
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up enough of this critical ingredient so their brain forms normally.
It could happen because antibodies are made because the kid's
allergic to everything from a food that they're being given,
to the substance in their body, to a toxin in
their environment. You know, mold and chemicals, all kinds of things.
We don't know how they work in the body, but
they probably work through several common pathways. What I do
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have confidence in since I've been looking at this together
with the rest of the team and Jabadasharia, Marty McCarey,
who head of the ANIAH FDA, we're all laser focused
on this, in part because the Secretary insists it and
the President demands it. We are seeing signals of lots
things we didn't want to talk about all of them,
but we're seeing things that all could be concerning. We
just want to turn to whittle it down and get
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to the ones that are legitimate, the things we might
be able to do differently in our lives. But certainly
you want to start being transparent with the American people
because trust is built brick by brick, by a shining
light and all the things you know. If I know
things you don't know, there's no reason why you would
trust me to do more and better with it then
you would. And this is why I think parents in particular,
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who love their kids more than anybody, should be armed
with the best data the government has as we get it.
And of course yes, it scares people. That alarms people.
They don't not even want to hear it. Word frees Ideologically,
I get all that stuff, but if you mix politics
in medicine, do you know what you get? Politics? You
kill medicine. And so the last thing we want to
do is hold back because there's a political rationale, which is, again,
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if you're a political person who's passionate about people, you
tell them what you know. That's what a doctor does.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
We're talking to doctor Oz. You just said on something.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
This will be a last one question because I know
you're busy and we've got to hit a break. But
the autism rates have skyrocketed. You talked about how they've skyrocketed,
not just historically but in the twenty first century in particular.
It's also happened with allergies. I know there are a
lot of parents out there. You mentioned, Doctor Oz, that
you rarely see and Bobby Kennedy has rarely seen people
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your age who have autism allergies. When I was a
kid growing up, nobody was allergic to peanuts. It didn't
feel like now the peanut allergy is so commonplace that
they don't even give out peanuts on airplanes. Anymore, they've
had to stop doing that. Is it possible that we're
seeing some connection in the environment that is impacting things
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on a variety of different levels. Do you think there
might be any connection between autism and allergies and just
the way that the body chemistry is changing? And Buck
and I have talked about this. This is a big
question too. Is it partly maybe connected also to the
idea of older parents? Right, dads and moms frankly are
having babies way later in the twenty first century than
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they did for basically the entirety of human existence.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Clay such an excellent question. All the things you identify
because you're a curious person. And by the way, to me,
the MAHA movement is not being curious and eighty percent
of statements are questions in disguise. You're actually a curious
human being. The questions you're asking are the ones that
we have got to be brave enough to answer and
share for courageous with people around us. But you got
to be kind. So you mentioned age of the parent. Yes,
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that's a risk factor. We've known that, but it's hard
to hear that if you're a parent. But yet again,
you got to be transparent. Doctors tell patients things they
don't always want to hear, but these will respect us
for telling you the truth. The allergy issue, I think
is a bigger problem. There's a reason why so many
kids are allergic. You're right, PENI analogies unheard of when
I was a kid. You know, we have an epidemic
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of all types of allergies, which again is reflective of
the fact that we're traumatizing the fragile immune system of
the child who's just trying to figure out what the
world world is about, and the differentiate what's friendly and
what's fue Their immune system is confused. I suspect they
are chemicals that they're getting exposed to that are causing this.
We are actively at course searching. There's many allegations. You
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don't know. The answer is easy to blame folks. We
don't have the luxury of vickery. When you're increasing by
five fold the incidents of a tragic condition that could
be Obviously, these kids are levable, should be loved, will
be taking care of it. As a society, we're judged
by how we take care of our most vulnerable, So
we'll always take care of kids on the author's in
the spectrum. But it's a heck of a lot easier
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not to have to fight that battle when you're going
through a life and these kids deserve better. We have
got to deliver. And looking at the cause of allergy,
I think is one of the biggest clues, because they're
the tip of the iceberg. You figure that out, that's
the leading edge. Behind that are a whole bunch of
other conditions, ciliac disease, vowel problems of course, you know
all kinds of pathologies like to the spectrum ADHD. If
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you can go down the laundry list of issues that
plague our youth, and many of them come back to
an immune system that can't function correctly. It's a tragile system.
It's being maligned. We've got to figure out what's doing it.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Doctor Oz. We appreciate the time. Thank you so much
for joining us. Always happy to have you on. Just
let us know when you think it makes sense, and
good work and good luck trying to figure all this out.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
God bless you both. Take care.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
That's doctor Oz, much less serious, although Buck I do
think and we'll talk about this some more during the
course of the program. This is something that motivates a
huge majority. I think of our listeners out there, there's
a sense that we are making choices not only on
our own self, but on behalf of our kids that
are actually creating worse outcomes. And I think that allergy
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and autistic thing, whatever you think, obviously, they have skyrocketed,
and we'll talk about some of that. Why is that happening.
In the meantime, I want to tell you about our
friends that are over in Israel, that are fighting so
many difficult battles every single day. It's been another very
trying week in Israel, renewed drone attacks on innocent civilians.
(45:04):
The attacks don't get the headlines they once did, but
a lot's happened since October seventh. Hostage is still being held,
and we've got a movement of support for the people
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by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On Sunday,
October fifth, millions of people across America will plant an
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All right, third hour klaan Buck kicks off now, our
friend Ryan Gardusky joins us. He is the post on
the klan Buck podcast network of It's a numbers game.
He does the deep dive nerdiness numbers analysis that you
need to know to understand the politics of this country.
Right now, our friend Ryan Gradusky is with us. Mister Gradusky,
(46:22):
thanks for making the time. Let's start with some of
these numbers. I'm seeing some interesting stuff out of New Jersey. Now,
you're a Northeast guy like me. The idea of Republicans
even being competitive in New Jersey seems like it's too
good to be true. What are the numbers telling us
about this? And Clay's one of his favorite candidates is Chitterrelli,
(46:43):
So how's this all looking.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
I've got us on FCC watch because I can't pronounce
his name correctly, Ryan, so just be be Awawyre.
Speaker 9 (46:52):
So let's go over some background information again with Democrats.
Start off with an eight hundred and sixty thousand voter
at advantage in the Garden State. Now you may say, Ryan,
that's a lot of voters, Yes, but it is down
significantly from November twenty twenty one, the last time Jack
Chitarelli ran for governor. Republicans in the last four years
since the last governor's election have gained one hundred and
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sixty two thousand new voters, while Democrats have lost forty
seven thousand voters in an election that Chitarelli lost by
only eighty four thousand votes. If you look at the
polls first. Out of the polls, there were seven polls recently. Overall,
Mickey Cheryl, the Democratic nominee, has led in five of them,
averaging a lead of five point five points. But the
(47:34):
last two polls by credited polsters that have come out
said that Chitarelly is either tied or winning. A national
research poll which was funded by his campaign, so it's
an internal campaign member has him leading by a point
and is up by twenty one points normally internal polling. Obviously,
they slammed things towards their candidate. But Emerson, which has
been on a roller coaster streak of good polling it lately,
(47:56):
they came out with a poll just today finding the
race tied, and they said that Chittarelli is leading by
twenty six points among independents. So there's consistency there. It's
not all good news because the group of undecided voters
overwhelmingly lean Democrat, a lot of minorities, a lot of women.
The problem for Mickey Cheryl is this minority voters in
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urban New Jersey do not like her. They voted overwhelmingly
against her in the last oh and in the primary.
She comes from a small town where the median income
is well over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,
and she had a disastrous interview on The Breakfast Club
where she couldn't describe how she made seven million dollars
in profit selling stocks, which she was fined for because
(48:39):
she was selling well. She was on on the house
appropriations for the military contracts. That has been a huge,
huge problem. Democrats are freaked out. They've spent an additional
one point five million dollars on this race, twenty five
million in total. Internals are showing that she is not
in a strong place, and that's where they're putting all
their hands on deck.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Okay, how do we so a couple of things, Ryan,
And I know some of you from New Jersey are
going to know this, but I actually think it got
snowed under. Trump lost New Jersey by about five points.
He lost Virginia by about five points. That's where both
of the governor's races that are going to be happening
in about six weeks are taking place.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
The Trump team believes that if they had had Kamala
Harris money, that is, they could have just sprayed money
everywhere like Kamala did, that they could have won in Virginia,
they could have won in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Do you buy it?
Speaker 4 (49:34):
And do we know if the current candidates in New
Jersey and Virginia are they competitive enough with dollars to
spend coming down the stretch run Here as a lot
of people that are not political obsessives become aware these governors'
races are going.
Speaker 9 (49:50):
On, well it's great you mentioned Trump. So there's an
inverse problem happening between New Jersey and Virginia. In Virginia
win some seeries. The Republican No is trying to nationalize
this election. She is making this specifically about trans girls
playing biological female sports. It is her number one issue.
She is talking about it consistently and is what her
(50:11):
ads are focusing on. Inversely, in New Jersey, the Democrat
Mickey Cheryl is making this entire election about Trump. Just today,
there was a newsbreaking story a little while ago that
she was not allowed to walk in the US Naval
Academy commencement speech because she cheated one hundred and thirty
times in her class. That was sorry, in place of
one hundred and thirty people, she cheated and she could
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not walk in her graduation.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Although let me let me rephrase that Ryan, because I
think it was a little bit. I think she was
part of a group of one hundred and thirty people
that was accused of cheating on tests that were not
allowed to walk. Not she cheated one hundred and thirty times.
I think the Naval Academy would probably say, hey, I
don't know what the number is, but I think you
get kicked out.
Speaker 9 (50:52):
For my apologizes.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
Go up. Yes, that is true.
Speaker 9 (50:55):
She was with one hundred and thirty people, so she
had made this election about Trump. She blamed Chittarelli for
this story coming out, saying he's part of the Trump
cabal to release information. Jack Chiarelli has focused specifically on
affordability and electricity costes. Electricity costes are the number one
issue in both Virginia and New Jersey's election. Incidentally, enough
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electricity costs for skyrocking in both places. The difference between
New Jersey and Virginia is the elasticity of the electric
So Virginia's electric because it is much blacker and black
in America, has a lower level of They move far, far,
far less than Hispanics or whites do. It is a
less there's less less city for the Republicans to make big,
(51:39):
big games the questions do they show up at all?
There's also a lot of uh, you know, quote unquote awfuls,
which is like angry white female liberals. There's a lot
more in Virginia, and there's a lot of people angry
over the elon cuts to federal jobs. New Jersey doesn't
have that problem, and Chittarelli has been more centralized on
the affordability question and on the tax question. Share had
(52:00):
an absolutely abominable debate performance where where she would not
commit to not raising taxes in the middle class and
she would not explain once again how she made seven
million dollars on a stock trade. Both of those clips
went viral. It's been very, very bad. Everything that is
breaking in someone's favor is Chitdarelly Childarelly's campaign in the
last forty five days have reminded me more of Glenn
(52:23):
Youngkins than when some series, when some series is really
just trying to get the Trump face out, and she's
had a mixed record on the having that ability.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Can you break down for a little bit, Ryan, I
thought that was really interesting, and I'd seen some headlines
around this, the skyrocketing electricity price, as that's generally not
something you think of as a top election issue at
the state level, but that that is in two different states,
in these two critical governors' races. I think it's very interesting.
Part of it, as I understand it, is data center
(52:51):
usage and essentially places getting ready for AI or wanting
to be more part of the AI race, and also
to store all this data online. Part of it is
natural gas prices, So there's a few things coming into it.
But how are the various campaigns handling this? Because I
always think it's so funny the Democrats their only idea
for how to make electricity prices less expensive involve finding
(53:15):
more expensive forms of electricity like solar. I mean, I
don't know what they think they're going to do. So
how's that playing out?
Speaker 6 (53:21):
Right?
Speaker 9 (53:21):
So it is the number one issue in both New
Jersey and Virginia, and AI center sor data centers are
the main culture. Data centers take about twenty five percent
of Virginia's electricity one and four, they've added about twenty
million homes using power through data centers. In New Jersey's
data centers are responsible for seventy percent of the increased
prices and electricity. Jack Turiuelli is talking about having tax
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cuts for the middle class and about trying to have
more alternative alternative in a form of solar, but really
looking at increasing natural gas subsidies or anything. He can
just sit there and try to get prices lower through
using taxes in the state. Abigail Spamberger over in Virginia,
she's actually the only candidate running statewide who has pointed
(54:06):
to data centers and saying we need to figure out
how to deal with this increase in the cost of
electricity through data centers, And she's the one who's pointed
the finger when since Here's really hasn't spoken about data
centers or electricity prices nearly as much, focusing much more
on national issues to try to really drive out lower
propensity voters. And I have a number on that Virginia
(54:26):
does not have the does not have party registration like
New Jersey does, so you're not a registered Republican rigiodemocrat.
But among modeling companies, companies that model whether you're likely
to be a Republican or a Democrat, Republicans have done
a much better job at turning out people who have
either never voted and are likely Republicans are only voted
once in the last four elections than Democrats have. So
(54:48):
if that's her game plan, by bringing out lower pencity voters,
it's showing a little bit of traction. But Democrats outside
of Richmond and in the northern part of the state
and the outside of DC are really turn out a gangbusters,
especially in the Richmond suburbs.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Let's go to the New York City mayor's race, because
a lot of our wor listeners are plugged in on
this Ryan, we still haven't gotten any movement from from
anyone to drop out, whether it's Eric Adams, Curtis Ly
Andrew Cuomo. And as I'm looking right now at Polymarket,
they have an eighty seven percent chance that Mom Donnie
(55:27):
is elected mayor. Is there any reason right now in
your mind to expect any kind of movement there or
if you kind of resign yourself to Mom Donnie is
going to be the next New York City mayor.
Speaker 9 (55:39):
Man Donne's been the next city mayor unless Eric Adams
and Curtis Lee would drop out. I mean, and we've
had more polling out of New York City than either
Virginia or New Jersey at this point. Polsters love pulling
New York. It's an interesting race. The problem is in
this fractured field, it needs to be a head on
head competition, and all Polsters agree a head to head
competition between Cuomo and Mandami shows a competitive race, and
(56:02):
we don't know who would win. But Cuomo has run
one of the most god awful campaigns I could imagine.
He's made no concessions to Republicans to try to win
them over. Whatsoever. And Eric Adams is still hanging around
ARO at seven or eight percent, mostly among Jewish and
Black voters who would otherwise be voting for Cuomo. So
it's really been some of the worst campaigning I've ever seen,
(56:24):
especially from Cuomo, and Curzey was had essentially no campaign
aside from going the same five places over and over
and over again. He's pulling somewhere in the load to
mid teams and it's really kind of fizzled out.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
So, okay, do you buy Buck?
Speaker 4 (56:39):
And I have kind of debated this that mom Donnie
could have an impact in the twenty twenty six mid
terms if he is the face of the Democrat party
or do you think he's really not that well known
outside of New York City? What is his impact? Let's
say he wins. Obviously he's not a citizen, i mean
born American citizen, so he's not eligible to run for instance,
(57:01):
for president, thankfully, sadly, given how much support he has
among Democrats, does he have national residents next year? In
your mind if he wins in New York City or not?
Speaker 9 (57:13):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's the reason why Fox News
is the only who covers his speech is live and
they don't do it for any New York City politician,
and they want to. Republicans definitely want to make him
the face, which is why Kim Jeffries still won't endorse him,
despite Kathy Hochele endorsing him. And it'll be a big
question going to twenty twenty six if they sit there
and try to play spoiler.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
Man.
Speaker 9 (57:33):
Donnie made a comment saying, I'm not promising to reindorse
Kathy Hogel or any other Democrat. So they very much
want to play. And I spoke to some Democratic consultants
who are very, very smart, and the question they said,
they said this, it is not a question of if,
like an Aoc or Mandanni type of person will be
the Democratic nominee in twenty twenty eight. It's a matter
(57:54):
of when. It is just a matter of timing. All
the movement is on the progressive side, and they are
absolutely going to make Mundonni the face of it. And
he's you know, he's charming to some people, he's charismatic
to some people. He does have some ability political ability
that I do notice, but his policies are absolutely insane,
especially around policing, and he's going to especially in the Northeast.
(58:15):
It's going to be very problematic for Democrats.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
So is it your view that he will be as
insane as we are worried he will be if he
becomes the mayor of New York, Like, will he actually
do these policies or is this just to get the
sizzle going? But he'll have to deal with the reality
of trying to govern eight and a half million people.
Speaker 9 (58:36):
Well, he has limitations because the governor has a lot
of control over New York City, so it's not like
he's it's not like he's the president of the King
of the city. There are certain things that he can
do that I expect him to do on day one.
He also is the problem the federal government is going
to be breathing down his neck on certain issues, like
the idea that he's going to be able to kick
ice agents out of the city is just not realistic whatsoever.
(58:56):
On certain things. He's going to be pretty horrific on
other things. Can't fulfill half of those promises because he
doesn't have the ability or the wherewithal.
Speaker 6 (59:04):
To do so.
Speaker 9 (59:05):
So, I mean, I think that he's gonna be a
worst mayor than build a Blasio. But I mean that's
what that's what's happening right now in New York.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Go check out It's a numbers game comes out every
week on the Claybook podcast Network. Ryan Gerdusky is the
excellent host. Ryan, Thanks for breaking it all down for us.
Great stuff.
Speaker 9 (59:23):
Thank you.
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Oh, welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Thursday edition of Clay and Bought kicks off right now,
and let's just jump to it. We got in the
Oval office President Trump with the premiere of Turkey. He
is sitting down, they are talking, he is taking questions.
Let jump to it.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Play it. Great friendship, President Trump.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A few news items. Sorry, well, he said that the
right is a lot tougher than the left.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
That's true for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We'll give you some of the top sound bites and
some of the most important things from all of this
here coming up shortly. We've also got some news on
the economy. James Comy in the headlines once again because
of the possibility of charges against Kombe before that five
(00:48):
year clock runs out on the Statute of Limitations. We've
got more updates also on the ice facility, that fatal
shooting that happened yesterday, discuss that Hillary Clinton is weighing
in on things, a whole range of things right now,
which we will share with you so we can pull
apart her preposterous arguments. And we've also got Washington Post
(01:14):
yesterday reporting that marked classified material was found in the
home of former Trump national security advisor Bolton. He's also
formerly a Fox News contributor, so a lot of you
have seen him on Fox. He's the guy with the
mustache he'd seen over many years. That's not good. If
that is accurate, he's in. If that reporting, i should say,
(01:35):
is accurate, that's going to be a very tough one
to explain to anyone. And he's not a former president.
There's no basis for him to have declassified anything. So
we can talk a little bit more about that. But
I just want to note I love when we can
take a moment for just some positive news. And here
is CNBC's Rick Santelli saying the look second quarter GDP
(01:59):
even a little better than anticipated. Play clip one.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Now on the GDP side, this is our third time
around the block on Q two, and we see a
really solid revision three point eight percent. I'm a bit shocked,
to be honest. Usually the revisions as you get to
second and third become smaller and smaller. So three point
eight percent would be the best quarter going back to
and we have to go back aways here to four
(02:25):
point four and that was the third quarter of twenty three. Now,
it is important to point out that if you look
at the first quarter, final down half of percent. There's
a balance there, but the balance is moving in favor
of Momentum is moving in.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Favor for better growth.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Clay looking pretty good still on the economy, and Trump
not getting much credit for it from the media for
obvious reasons. But if somebody had told me at the
start of his presidency, this is where the numbers would be,
and this is how the markets and also how rates
and inflation and everything would look at this point, it's
pretty darn good. I think the president should be happy,
(03:03):
certainly with the progress so far we've seen in year one.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
No doubt, and we've got record basically high stock prices.
You've got overall inflation continuing to come down. The much
maligned impact of tariffs seem to be nonexistent. All of
the experts are now buck as you watch, coming out
and saying, hey, well, we haven't seen the pricing impact
(03:28):
that we thought from the tariff situation. The overall interest
rates are coming down, Jerown Powell is behind on being
able to do that, but we just got the quarter
point decline. There's a forecast of a couple of more
declines on interest rates and then going into next year.
So I would suspect that you're going to see fifteen
(03:49):
and thirty year mortgages continue to come down, which is
going to help to free up you were talking I
think we were talking about this off air, the degree
to which the housing market has been just rosen to
a large extent, Because look, if you were fortunate enough
to get one of those two and a half or
three percent mortgages, you don't want to move. And if
(04:10):
you were unfortunate enough to buy and have a seven
percent mortgage, I'm telling you you're going to start to
see a lot of movement as those mortgage rates get
down to four and a half five percent and there
starts to be less of a major difference in potentially
moving selling homes. I think when the housing market just
kind of gets unlocked and it starts to move freely
(04:33):
as is a more liquid asset class, I think you're
going to see a lot of rapid growth. But three
point eight percent growth is amazing. Look, there's two ways
to balance a budget. One is to essentially cut spending.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
In a massive way. That's what Doje was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
There is I'm just going to tell you there is
no political will to massively cut spending. Democrats aren't going
to do it. Republic aren't going to do it. And
this is where I think Elon Musk is correct. So
how do you get about balancing the budget. You have
to grow the economy and you have to grow the
revenue that the growing economy is going to produce.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I think that's where Elon now is saying, Hey, AI
is going to potentially be so transformative in what it
provides to the overall economy that we're just going to
have to grow our way to get past the ballooning
national deficits. Because people like things, and when you give
them things they do not want Santa Claus.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Santa Claus is very tough to compete with, getting free
goodies that you don't have to pay for over and
over again, and you know, people get very It's funny too,
because everyone wants to cut It's like everyone's a hero
when it comes to the budget until you actually talk
about what has to be cut from the budget, and
then we have some we have some big problem.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So this is what I wanted to play before. I
just wanted to know this was just said by President Trump.
Now just to set this up, play so we've had
the Charlie Kirk assassination, which we are all still dealing
with the trauma and the heartbreak of that. Honestly, also
the processing of how many lunatics are out there who
(06:19):
were celebrating such a horrific event is that's also in
a way its own trauma, I think as an American
and much lesser than seeing what happened with Charlie. But
for a lot of people, it's made it's brought it
home to them as well, that there could be anybody
they know in their life or so that that would
celebrate such a horrific thing.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
There's that.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
There's now the we'll have more details on this to
share with everybody, more reporting on it. But the guy
who killed he killed two migrants at the ice facility.
So this guy is anti ice, but he killed two
migrants being processed in an ice facility because he just
opened fire. So this, I mean, it's horrible no matter what.
(06:58):
But also you just add, this person is such a
such a gross and evil individual that he killed. He's
upset about what's happening to migrants.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
We killed two of them. It's clearly.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
ABI has released a couple of more data points on
that guy. We try to avoid naming these guys, so
I'm not going to do that, but he downloaded the
list of DHS facilities. This is according to libs of TikTok,
repeated searches on the Charlie Kirk shooting, tracked ICE agent
movements through apps and had a handwritten note saying, quote,
(07:33):
hopefully this will give.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
ICE agents real terror.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So anyone out there who is trying to argue that
this is anything other than yet another left wing shooter
motivated by left wing political arguments is being dishonest to you.
And again that is the absolute latest in terms of
the FBI investigation that they have reported.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So this is cut twenty seven. Trump spoke about I'm sorry,
cut twenty six. Eighteen twenty eight, Trump spoke about this
left wing violence play. What are you hold responsible for
the uptake and left wing violence?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Radical left rhetoric, The radical left is causing the problem.
They're out of control, they're saying things, and they're really
dumb people. I mean, I look at Crockett, I look
at some of these people. They're very low IQ people actually.
But the radical left is causing this problem, not the right.
The radical left and it's going to get worse, and
(08:31):
ultimately it's going to go back on them. I mean,
bad things happen when they play these games. And I'll
give you a little clue. The right is a lot
tougher than the left. But the right's not doing this.
They're not doing it, and they better not get them
energized because it won't be good for the left. And
I don't want to see that happen either. I'm the
president of all the people. But the radical left is
(08:52):
causing this radical left democrats are causing this problem, and
it gets worse, it gets worse, so it'll be a
point where other people won't take it anymore, and that
will not be good for the radical left.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So we don't want that play.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I just appreciate that the President is saying it in
the most plain spoken, straightforward, no nonsense way possible. He's like,
the left is the problem, guys, the left are the
ones doing the violence. I just also wish that we
all could say, or we could just be reminded that
Davy Crockett, fantastic American icon. Crockett coffee, a delicious coffee.
(09:29):
When he's saying Crockett, he's referring to Congresswoman Crockett, who
is causing some brand some brand problems sometimes. But yes,
the left is the problem. The left is where the
violence is.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Another left wing violent incident that has been getting some
attention this morning, Buck that ties into what the President
was just saying. This is a Fox News alert. A
man's been arrested charged after allegedly making social media threats
against a Charlie Kirk vigil at the University of Texas,
San Antonio. This man allegedly suggested on social media he
(10:03):
planned to use his truck to drive through and disrupt
the Charlie Kirk vigil. I mean, this is everywhere, and
it's happening in every state. And again, the gunman who
opened fire yesterday at the Dallas Ice facility has a
(10:23):
left written record that he wanted to provide real terror
for Ice agents and that he again, I mean, this
is just not.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
We We didn't even mention this either, because there's so
much of this stuff. A guy shot up in ABC
we haven't news affiliate.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, And second, he was upset.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
About Jimmy Kimmel being taken off the air, so he
shot up an ABC news affiliate. Jimmy Kimmel's back on
the air, I might add, and you're like, these people
are such maniacs that they're going to shoot at innocent
people because some guy was some millionaire jerk was taken
off the air for a couple of days, like he'd
got a free vacation out of it. How much more
(11:07):
of this you stack these things up? How much more
of this has to happen? That's all clearly politically aligned
with Democrats, with the left, with the Commis. Before there's
just no there's no argument, there's no debate anymore.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I saw Megan Kelly Clay was at was at what
was it to Virginia Tech. I think it was a
speaking you know, as part of turning point now reaching
out and having people go to campuses to continue Charlie's work,
and some kid did the whole. The violence comes from
the right. The violence comes from the right. People are delusional.
They're being fed lies by the Democrat media and by
(11:45):
the Democrat you know, think tanks and everything else and
the Democrat Party, and what they're being told is just absurd.
I mean, how can you make this how can you
make this claim with a straight face? Where is this right?
Wing violence or we're gonna have to hear about JA
six again. Is that that that's the big terror, that's
the worst than nine to eleven. Remember they used to
say that is worse than nine to eleven. Yeah, worse
(12:06):
than nine to eleven, worse than Pearl Harbor, the worst
thing that's happened in the country since the Civil War.
That's legitimately what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris argued about
January sixth. I mean that was their direct talking point,
worst thing that's happened in the country since the Civil War.
I'm worried, Clay that people are going to recognize more
and more that even if Democrats wanted to put this
(12:27):
genie back in the bottle, so to speak, even if
they wanted to close up Pandora's box with all the
lies they have told about the fascist republic aidents who
were destroying democracy and all this stuff, I don't even
think that they could do this. I don't think they
could turn it off now, is my point. I think
they have unleashed this long enough on the American people
(12:49):
that we are going to have to continue to suffer
through what are just waves of domestic terrorism, plain and
simple by people who think because the New York Times
and CNN and Joe Biden and Kamala told them, they
think they're fighting fascism, and by fascism they mean Nazis.
Like no one's really going around like Trump is just
like Mussolini. It's Nazis. And the reason they want to
(13:11):
compare the Nazis is so they feel justified in being
violent against us. It's very straightforward. It's insane, but it's straightforward.
The reason they say that is so they have an
excuse to kill us. Yeah, that's the simple truth. And
the fact that they've done it for ten years. By
the way, I don't believe that any of the Democrat
leadership actually believes that argument, right, because if they did.
(13:33):
When Donald Trump got hit in the ear and when
another guy tried to kill him, they wouldn't have said, well,
we condemned that violence, right, If you truly thought Trump
was hitler, you should be honest and say, well, I
wish they hadn't missed. They never say that because they
know it would play so poorly in the larger public.
But with their.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Deranged, lunatic base. I don't know what percentage of them,
but enough of them to kill Charlie Kirk, and enough
of them to kill Bill at the Dallas ice facility,
and enough of them to go to Brett Kavanaugh's house,
and enough of them to show up at the softball
baseball team practice and start firing away.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
There is a.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Deranged, lunatic fringe of the left that is acting on
what they believe that is true, coming from the Democrat base.
Their arguments and buck they think they're heroes. You have
to go into these misguided soul's brains and think about
the way that they are motivating themselves. They're making it
clear why they're doing what they're doing. They're writing it
(14:35):
on the bullets. They think they.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Are heroes for the actions that they are undertaking.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Well, look at men Luigi whatever his name is, yes,
and how he there are leftists who think he is
a hero. He's got fans, he has fans everybody. This
guy murdered an American father, husband. It's a guy's doing
his job. You can say you don't like healthcare companies,
all you want murder somebody because they work at a
(15:01):
healthcare company or they run a healthcare company. A lot
of leftists think that that was great, and they say
it online. They're insane. You don't see this on the right.
It's not to it. So Trump is correct hammer this point.
It is not a both sides thing. The problem is
on the left. The problem is with the Democrats, and
we have to face up to that as a country.
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a moment ago before. We should have brief paused there
to get into the comy situation. Now, let's be clear,
nothing has happened yet. There's a lot of discussion though,
(17:36):
a lot of reporting that is indicating that someone thinks
high up the chain. There will be charges brought against
James Colly, the former FBI director, for lying under oath.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And this may or.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
May not happen, but there has certainly been a lot
of chatter about it, and there's a lot of reporting
suggesting that it is likely to happen. And so Clay
I thought that we should remind everybody because I really
always want to make sure that any time someone has
(18:11):
the possibility of their freedom being taken away, even for
a day, never mind for months or even years, I
always want to make sure that the person is guilty
of the crime and that it is a reasonable punishment
for the crime that they have committed, you know, because
if we start getting into third world banana republic stuff
(18:34):
of people, oh you mean, like what they did to Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Trust me, I know.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We can't allow this country to go on that pathway.
Avoiding that does require consequences for those who have been
involved in trying to do that. And if they broke
the law, if you broke the law, trying to use
the law as a weapon against people in politics, laws,
(18:59):
the law. All right, that's where we're all supposed to
be on this That's the only Without that, we have
nothing right. Without that, everything just starts to become pure
power stuff. And Clay, this is a throw This is
a throwback flashback December of twenty eighteen at the Well
in New York City, James Combe talking Tonicle Wallace. I
(19:19):
want everyone to hear this exchange before we to be
reminded of who this guy, James Comby really is, because
I think this encapsulates it really well.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Play three.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Look at this White House now and it's hard to
imagine two FBI agents sending up in the State Room.
How did that happen?
Speaker 8 (19:34):
I sent them something we I probably wouldn't have done
or maybe gotten away with in a more organized investigation,
more organized administration in the George W. Bush administration, for example,
or the Obama administration. The protocol two men that all
of us have perhaps increased appreciation for over the last
(19:58):
two years. And in both of those administrations, there was process.
And so if the FBI wanted to send agents into
the White House itself to interview a senior official, you
would work through the White House Council and to be
discussions and approvals and who would be there. And I
(20:18):
thought it's early enough, let's just send a couple of
guys over.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Played, And so.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
We placed a call to Flynn, said, Hey, we're sending
a couple of guys over. I hope you'll talk to them.
He said, sure. Nobody else was there. They interviewed him
in a conference room at the White House Situation Room,
and he lied to them. And that's what he's now
played guilty to.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
What did he think they were coming over there for.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
I don't think he knew. I know we didn't tell him.
Just said, we've got a couple sending over a couple
of agents. I want to ask you some questions. I
didn't have this conversation my deputy director did, but I
hope he had a few minutes you can sit down
and talk to them.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And he said, sure, I just want to say this
before we get into some of the specifics. If call
me broke the law, he should face the full consequences
of a law. He's a scumbag and I hope he
spends years in prison if he broke the law. And
there are people who seem to think that he did.
Did you hear I mean, when you listen to what
this guy did to General Flynn. They used the Logan
(21:22):
Act as a pretext to send FBI agents to the
incoming National Security Advisor's office to just have a conversation.
He thought they were probably just, you know, welcoming him
to the new administration. And then they claim, with no
proof other than their word against his that he lied
about non illegal activity that he was completely justified in doing.
(21:45):
And they only did this because they on mass phone
calls abusing Pfizer in the process.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
This is also where the statute of limitations play in.
And I know we've talked about this statute of limitations
issue on a lot of these cases, and I know
people roll their eyes and they try to say, well,
it's an ongoing conspiracy and all these things. The COMI charges,
based on my reading statute of limitations related Buck must
(22:13):
happen almost immediately. In other words, they're going to be
able to argue, Hey, that Statute of Limitations has told
we are no longer able to be charged under these auspices.
And given that we know many federal district court judges,
the people who were likely be assigned these cases are
(22:34):
not going to be favorably disposed to the Trump administration.
You've got to have everything lined up when you bring
these charges, and you've got to get it done well.
And we haven't even talked about this Buck, but I
think we probably should have. There are tons. I think
it's like seven or eight different individuals that the DC
Grand Jury has refused to indict for blatant crimes during
(22:59):
the Trump crime surge to try to bring down crime
in DC. The grand jury has just said, for instance,
the guy who threw the sandwich at the cop, it's
on video, blatant he did it. They just said, yeah,
we're not indicting for this. So the politics of DC
(23:19):
when it comes to getting people indicted, even when you
have evidence on video of crimes being committed. Some of
the grand jury members are just like, nah, I kind
of agree with what they did. I'm not going to
agree to charge his here being evil. Absolutely, it's very political,
but I wanted everyone to hear what a sanctimonious comebag
(23:40):
Comy is. He's called him sancta comy Clay back in
the day. He's a bad dude. He's always been a
bad dude. He's slithered from one administration to another within
the bureaucracy and somehow always ended up, you know, elevating himself.
And he's the guy who, over the objects of fellow prosecutors,
(24:02):
wanted Martha Stewart to go to prison just because he.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Wanted to make a name for himself. Martha Stewart worth
reminding everybody served time in prison. Okay, the lady who
was like, you know, here's how to make the most
delicious summer salad. And you know, you all know Martha
Stewart went to prison because she got jammed up with
an investigation of her talking to her broker. And they
(24:29):
say that she lied about the conversation with the broker.
It wasn't even illegal, it wasn't inside her trading.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Did she only.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Make like two hundred K. I mean, I'm not trying
to minimize. I think it was like Clay. I think
it was like thirty or forty K the trade. I
think it was a small trade. It was small.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It was she's a billionaire and a billion back, and
there were far fewer of them. She's a billionaire, there's
like thirty or forty grand and Cally was on a
quest send her and everybody was like, this guy's kind
of a weirdo, like this has come out. Rgiliana told
me this personally at the time. He was like, Yeah,
when Comy was going after Martha Stewart, we were all like,
(25:05):
what is this guy doing? But I want to I
wanted to point out what he did to General Flynn.
This is a guy who served in the military for
thirty years, was di IA director and was going to
be the National Security Advisor, and Comy just wanted to
take him out. Comy set a the FBI director set
a perjury trap for the incoming National Security Advisor based
(25:28):
on a non crime. Let me tell you, if someone
starts interrogating you and you don't think you're being interrogated,
and you get a.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Lawyer, get a lawyer, Get a lawyer, Get a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
That's really yeah quick.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
That was that was so diabolical was that they didn't
even he didn't even really realize.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
What was going on.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I mean, this would be like imagine two FBI guys
were talking about a case and one of them is like,
you know what, I think you lied to me.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I'm gonna bring charges against you.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's like, wait, we're on the same team. What are
you talking about? That was that was what this was like.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
This was we're the executive branch FBI employees coming to
talk to National Security Advisor in the White House for
the explicit purpose, the clear purpose of taking Comy thought
it was funny. Comy thought it was you hear He's
all they're all laughing.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's so great. They took out General Finn.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Took out General Finn for what speaking to his COUNTERPARTI
or in a sense, the ambassador of Russia, saying, look,
we're coming in. You know, let's talk this out. We
come in.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He didn't do anything illegal.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
The Logan Act, Clay, the Logan Act has been not
successfully prosecuted to completion once in two hundred years. Yeah,
and that's what he pulls out. And that's because the
logan A can apply to basically anything. I'm going to
Taiwan tomorrow. I'm running my own foreign policy. I mean,
this is absurd, right, but if I am, then thousands,
tens of thousands of people in DC are. So it's
(26:49):
I wanted to everyone be reminded that Comy's a bad guy,
and Trump isn't exaggerating what he says. This is a
bad individual who is a narcissistic freak and wanted to
really harm people and abuses power to do so. And
so if he lied under oath, he loves sending other
people to prison, lying under oath about the most minute things.
If he lied under oath, his ash should go to
(27:09):
jail too, full stop.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
And those charges need to come soon or else you're
going to run into statute of limitations related issues. We'll
get into some of this. We'll take some of your talkbacks. Buck,
get your pen. I got a winner for you tonight
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Speaker 2 (29:37):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined now by
doctor Oz, doctor memant oz Or as the Administrator for
the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under HHS Secretary
RFK Junior and President Trump. Doctor Oz, Welcome to the show.
Is always good to talk.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
To you, good talkers always. It's been an active week.
I justpect you'll want to speak a bit about of
autism and what might work.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, let's talk about autism and the pil and all
situation here, Doc, what is actually what do we know?
What is being recommended? What is actually going on? And
let's just stay as tight to the facts as we
can on this one, because there's a lot of passion
around this topic.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
There is Let's take a step back for one second
and just make it really clear. There is no political
benefit to President trumb talking about this. This is a
wholescale departure from what historically has happened with data within government,
which is we perhaps the opake process. You don't really
know what we know. Eventually we figured it all out
and tell you the best we can. We saw that
that in covid at backfires when moms think that they're gaslighting,
(30:43):
they're being gas lit because they're not getting access to data.
So the President charged all of US sector candy beating
the process. We're just breaking all the silos, breaking the barriers.
Just do the work and release the information when you
have it. This is the first example, there we mutual ones.
So let's go over the data. Fifty million dollars is
put into a process to try to research autism, say
(31:06):
about a short at the NIH has been allocating that
money in grants along the way studying what's going on
with autism, and discovered two signals, two leads that were
intriguing enough that after a lot of discussion, we were
decided to share with the American people. The first had
to do with a prescription medication called lucuvorn, which no
(31:27):
one's ever heard of, But prescription lucuvorn is essentially a
way of getting B vitamins into the brains of children.
Why is that a problem? We believe that there's a
fair amount of pathology around B vitamins in the brains
of kids who have autism. That's one of the reasons
their brain get cloudy, foggy, they can't really process information,
they don't learn to speak right. And so if we
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can reverse that problem, which is caused by their genes
in some cases that we know of, and by antibodies
blocking those receptors those pathways into the brain, and others,
that would make a difference. It turn up with a
couple of hundred kids in different small studies that about
half the kids seem to benefit when given this medication. Correctly,
it's not perfect. We don't know enough about it to
(32:10):
make broader promises. But I asked the key question, claim
but both you just tell me that if you just
resonates with you. I asked the question everyone should ask
their doctor, would you do it for your kid? And
the answer I got over and over again was yes,
we don't go for sure, but because it's so safe
and the drug's been around forever, we think it will
be worth it, so we release that information. At the
(32:31):
same time, there was a data that's been around for
a couple of years, but more and more of it
coming out about potential concerns around a set of menifit,
which is the raw material in talid ale. Now, I
want to say this as crisply and clearly, sticking to
the facts as you asked me to. If you have
a high fever, if you've got a bad problem, please
talk to your docts. If you're pregnant, make sure that
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they're involved, and take the centimnifen, which is pretty much
the only drug we would use in that setting, and
it's the drug that most doctors use myself included in
that setting because all the other drugs seem to have
bigger problems, and having high fevers itself causes a problem.
So this is not a warning never to take the drug. However,
in cases where there was a lot of use of
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this drug, that does seem to be a signal concerning
enough that we were sharing it that women subsequently have
babies to develop autism. So the message really is, if
you have a low grade temperature, if you stub your toe,
don't use the medication. Willy nilly, use it thoughtfully, recognizing
that any medication is strong enough to help you is
strong enough to hurt you.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Doctor.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
As you have kids, Buck has a baby, I've got three.
I want to run through a couple of things because
I know we got a lot of moms and with
a lot of grandmas out there, and everybody when they
get pregnant, by and large, is trying to do the
best possible things they can for the baby that they
are carrying. And there's a couple of things out there
(33:55):
that I was going to point out, and how complicated
and sometimes even to the detriment that all of these
strictures can be. In America, they say women should need
sushi pregnant women, they say that women should not have
alcohol at all, as I'm sure you're aware. In Japan,
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women continue to eat sushi throughout pregnancy, most no issues.
In France, women continue to drink glasses of wine. I
mean they're not pounding bottles of wine and getting super drunk.
By and large, kids aren't having issues there. Circling back,
I read in the New York Times today you may
have more accurate data than this that now I believe
it's one in every thirty one kids is being classified
(34:39):
as autistic. Those numbers are have skyrocketed. Something is going
on right. Either we're identifying autism way more, and maybe
that's partly it. Maybe we are, Maybe there are multiple
different factors out there. You're a doctor, though, and I'd
just like to go baseline, what would you tell a
woman who just found out she's pregnant right now that
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is concerned about autism that she should do, in your opinion,
to be the absolute healthiest. And obviously one answer is
she can talk to her doctor. But if this were
your if this were your daughter and you were about
to have a grand baby, what would you tell her.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
The most important thing you can do and when you're
pregnant is actually to be calm and realistic about the numbers.
You will almost certainly do well. Mortality rates obviously are
very low because we're so good generally at taking care
of crises or complications when they occur, and anxiety itself
is a problem doing pregnancy. So recognize that you're in
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pretty good shape and you're lucky to be born in
an era where we have high quality care. That stated,
there are some unforced errors, rookie errors. You want to
avoid Trusting that there's one product that's so safe that
you can take it whenever you think you might have
a small little thing not right, is unwise. We just
don't know. There's so many things happening during pregnancy. With
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that miraculous process where these cells are growing at a
fast rate, differentiating into organs, everything's got to work. It's
sort of a miracle that it ever works. But it
almost always does work because we get out of the way.
If I say the same thing to my kids, is
when it could, I've got five grandkids now when we're
coming say just get out of the way of biology
and let it run itself. A low grade temperature is
(36:26):
a healthy thing, usually because it'll kill the virus that's
bothering you, but it doesn't hurt your own cells. Don't
trust external substances of any kind. I don't think alcohol
is a good thing to do when you're pregnant, and
you shouldn't have to drink alcohol to be able to
get through your day. So, yes, you know, if you're
going to toast someone, that's different, but it should not
be part of the norm. If it's a cleaner you eat,
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the better. Do not trust the environment to be clean.
Go out of your way. Air, purrefires, water purefires are
wise moves. It's the time for you to be so
careful because you're the canary in the coal mine. Anything
that's not right in the world around us would have
an increased detrimental effect on you and your fetus. And
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then they take one step back up because you mentioned
this stat one in thirty one kids that'll have autism,
just to put us in perspective, that is five times
more than it was in twenty twenty five years ago,
five times more. So. It's not genetics. And I don't
buy the canard that this is all about measurement. Because
I just turned sixty five, I'm running the agency that
(37:29):
I'm a member of now, medicare right. There aren't any
people my age that I know of who have autism.
Bobby Kennedy, secretary of Kennedy is Found, you know, reminds
all of us that he and his whole life never
met anyone his age who has autism. I'm sure they're
out there, but they're not very common. Whereas you go
to school today, if you think of kids to school,
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you talk to the other parents, many of those parents
have kids with autistic children. It changes their life. So
the President's passionate about this comes from a realization this
is not genetic, this is not measurement. There is a
change in our environment. He is on daunted. He will
find it and pursue it. And these are two clues
of how to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Doctor Oz, I wanted to follow up on this is
it you're and now I'm asking more for your analysis
and maybe even a bit of your your gut instinct
on this. Having practiced medicine for decades and now having
access to, uh, you know, the data on these things
at a very high level. On the policy side, when
you're talking about that we just established that that really
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deeply troubling rise of autism. Do you think it is
most likely to be a multi factor problem that has
caused the increase, as in several things you know together,
or just several things in general, or do you think
that it might be a really one primary culprit that
will be found. It's just a question of whittling down
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the data and pursuing the science and finally getting us
to what's really at the heart of this of this crisis.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
I believe it's a multi factor, but they may work
through common mechanisms. For example, I brought up the reality
that Folli eight levels are low in the brain full
It comes from foliage leafy greens, So this vitamin benign
is a critical element in brain development. It's possible that
several of the things we're worried about all work to
inhibit the ability of the tragule child's brain to take
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up enough of this critical ingredient so their brain forms normally.
It could happen because antibodies are made because the kid's
allergic to everything from a food that they're being given,
to the substance in their body, to a toxin in
their environment. You know, mold and chemicals, all kinds of things.
We don't know how they work in the body, but
they probably work through several common pathways. What I do
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have confidence in since I've been looking at this together
with the rest of the team and Jabadasharia, Marty McCarey,
who head of the ANIAH FDA, we're all laser focused
on this, in part because the Secretary insists it and
the President demands it. We are seeing signals of lots
things we didn't want to talk about all of them,
but we're seeing things that all could be concerning. We
just want to turn to whittle it down and get
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to the ones that are legitimate, the things we might
be able to do differently in our lives. But certainly
you want to start being transparent with the American people
because trust is built brick by brick, by a shining
light and all the things you know. If I know
things you don't know, there's no reason why you would
trust me to do more and better with it then
you would. And this is why I think parents in particular,
(40:28):
who love their kids more than anybody, should be armed
with the best data the government has as we get it.
And of course yes, it scares people. That alarms people.
They don't not even want to hear it. Word frees Ideologically,
I get all that stuff, but if you mix politics
in medicine, do you know what you get? Politics? You
kill medicine. And so the last thing we want to
do is hold back because there's a political rationale, which is, again,
(40:51):
if you're a political person who's passionate about people, you
tell them what you know. That's what a doctor does.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
We're talking to doctor Oz. You just said on something.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
This will be a last one question because I know
you're busy and we've got to hit a break. But
the autism rates have skyrocketed. You talked about how they've skyrocketed,
not just historically but in the twenty first century in particular.
It's also happened with allergies. I know there are a
lot of parents out there. You mentioned, Doctor Oz, that
you rarely see and Bobby Kennedy has rarely seen people
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your age who have autism allergies. When I was a
kid growing up, nobody was allergic to peanuts. It didn't
feel like now the peanut allergy is so commonplace that
they don't even give out peanuts on airplanes. Anymore, they've
had to stop doing that. Is it possible that we're
seeing some connection in the environment that is impacting things
(41:41):
on a variety of different levels. Do you think there
might be any connection between autism and allergies and just
the way that the body chemistry is changing? And Buck
and I have talked about this. This is a big
question too. Is it partly maybe connected also to the
idea of older parents? Right, dads and moms frankly are
having babies way later in the twenty first century than
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they did for basically the entirety of human existence.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Clay such an excellent question. All the things you identify
because you're a curious person. And by the way, to me,
the MAHA movement is not being curious and eighty percent
of statements are questions in disguise. You're actually a curious
human being. The questions you're asking are the ones that
we have got to be brave enough to answer and
share for courageous with people around us. But you got
to be kind. So you mentioned age of the parent. Yes,
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that's a risk factor. We've known that, but it's hard
to hear that if you're a parent. But yet again,
you got to be transparent. Doctors tell patients things they
don't always want to hear, but these will respect us
for telling you the truth. The allergy issue, I think
is a bigger problem. There's a reason why so many
kids are allergic. You're right, PENI analogies unheard of when
I was a kid. You know, we have an epidemic
(42:51):
of all types of allergies, which again is reflective of
the fact that we're traumatizing the fragile immune system of
the child who's just trying to figure out what the
world world is about, and the differentiate what's friendly and
what's fue Their immune system is confused. I suspect they
are chemicals that they're getting exposed to that are causing this.
We are actively at course searching. There's many allegations. You
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don't know. The answer is easy to blame folks. We
don't have the luxury of vickery. When you're increasing by
five fold the incidents of a tragic condition that could
be Obviously, these kids are levable, should be loved, will
be taking care of it. As a society, we're judged
by how we take care of our most vulnerable, So
we'll always take care of kids on the author's in
the spectrum. But it's a heck of a lot easier
(43:34):
not to have to fight that battle when you're going
through a life and these kids deserve better. We have
got to deliver. And looking at the cause of allergy,
I think is one of the biggest clues, because they're
the tip of the iceberg. You figure that out, that's
the leading edge. Behind that are a whole bunch of
other conditions, ciliac disease, vowel problems of course, you know
all kinds of pathologies like to the spectrum ADHD. If
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you can go down the laundry list of issues that
plague our youth, and many of them come back to
an immune system that can't function correctly. It's a tragile system.
It's being maligned. We've got to figure out what's doing it.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Doctor Oz. We appreciate the time. Thank you so much
for joining us. Always happy to have you on. Just
let us know when you think it makes sense, and
good work and good luck trying to figure all this out.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
God bless you both. Take care.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
That's doctor Oz, much less serious, although Buck I do
think and we'll talk about this some more during the
course of the program. This is something that motivates a
huge majority. I think of our listeners out there, there's
a sense that we are making choices not only on
our own self, but on behalf of our kids that
are actually creating worse outcomes. And I think that allergy
(44:42):
and autistic thing, whatever you think, obviously, they have skyrocketed,
and we'll talk about some of that. Why is that happening.
In the meantime, I want to tell you about our
friends that are over in Israel, that are fighting so
many difficult battles every single day. It's been another very
trying week in Israel, renewed drone attacks on innocent civilians.
(45:04):
The attacks don't get the headlines they once did, but
a lot's happened since October seventh. Hostage is still being held,
and we've got a movement of support for the people
of Israel coming. It's called Flags of Fellowship. It's organized
by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On Sunday,
October fifth, millions of people across America will plant an
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All right, third hour klaan Buck kicks off now, our
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He does the deep dive nerdiness numbers analysis that you
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Right now, our friend Ryan Gradusky is with us. Mister Gradusky,
(46:22):
thanks for making the time. Let's start with some of
these numbers. I'm seeing some interesting stuff out of New Jersey. Now,
you're a Northeast guy like me. The idea of Republicans
even being competitive in New Jersey seems like it's too
good to be true. What are the numbers telling us
about this? And Clay's one of his favorite candidates is Chitterrelli,
(46:43):
So how's this all looking.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
I've got us on FCC watch because I can't pronounce
his name correctly, Ryan, so just be be Awawyre.
Speaker 9 (46:52):
So let's go over some background information again with Democrats.
Start off with an eight hundred and sixty thousand voter
at advantage in the Garden State. Now you may say, Ryan,
that's a lot of voters, Yes, but it is down
significantly from November twenty twenty one, the last time Jack
Chitarelli ran for governor. Republicans in the last four years
since the last governor's election have gained one hundred and
(47:13):
sixty two thousand new voters, while Democrats have lost forty
seven thousand voters in an election that Chitarelli lost by
only eighty four thousand votes. If you look at the
polls first. Out of the polls, there were seven polls recently. Overall,
Mickey Cheryl, the Democratic nominee, has led in five of them,
averaging a lead of five point five points. But the
(47:34):
last two polls by credited polsters that have come out
said that Chitarelly is either tied or winning. A national
research poll which was funded by his campaign, so it's
an internal campaign member has him leading by a point
and is up by twenty one points normally internal polling. Obviously,
they slammed things towards their candidate. But Emerson, which has
been on a roller coaster streak of good polling it lately,
(47:56):
they came out with a poll just today finding the
race tied, and they said that Chittarelli is leading by
twenty six points among independents. So there's consistency there. It's
not all good news because the group of undecided voters
overwhelmingly lean Democrat, a lot of minorities, a lot of women.
The problem for Mickey Cheryl is this minority voters in
(48:18):
urban New Jersey do not like her. They voted overwhelmingly
against her in the last oh and in the primary.
She comes from a small town where the median income
is well over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,
and she had a disastrous interview on The Breakfast Club
where she couldn't describe how she made seven million dollars
in profit selling stocks, which she was fined for because
(48:39):
she was selling well. She was on on the house
appropriations for the military contracts. That has been a huge,
huge problem. Democrats are freaked out. They've spent an additional
one point five million dollars on this race, twenty five
million in total. Internals are showing that she is not
in a strong place, and that's where they're putting all
their hands on deck.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Okay, how do we so a couple of things, Ryan,
And I know some of you from New Jersey are
going to know this, but I actually think it got
snowed under. Trump lost New Jersey by about five points.
He lost Virginia by about five points. That's where both
of the governor's races that are going to be happening
in about six weeks are taking place.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
The Trump team believes that if they had had Kamala
Harris money, that is, they could have just sprayed money
everywhere like Kamala did, that they could have won in Virginia,
they could have won in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Do you buy it?
Speaker 4 (49:34):
And do we know if the current candidates in New
Jersey and Virginia are they competitive enough with dollars to
spend coming down the stretch run Here as a lot
of people that are not political obsessives become aware these governors'
races are going.
Speaker 9 (49:50):
On, well it's great you mentioned Trump. So there's an
inverse problem happening between New Jersey and Virginia. In Virginia
win some seeries. The Republican No is trying to nationalize
this election. She is making this specifically about trans girls
playing biological female sports. It is her number one issue.
She is talking about it consistently and is what her
(50:11):
ads are focusing on. Inversely, in New Jersey, the Democrat
Mickey Cheryl is making this entire election about Trump. Just today,
there was a newsbreaking story a little while ago that
she was not allowed to walk in the US Naval
Academy commencement speech because she cheated one hundred and thirty
times in her class. That was sorry, in place of
one hundred and thirty people, she cheated and she could
(50:32):
not walk in her graduation.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Although let me let me rephrase that Ryan, because I
think it was a little bit. I think she was
part of a group of one hundred and thirty people
that was accused of cheating on tests that were not
allowed to walk. Not she cheated one hundred and thirty times.
I think the Naval Academy would probably say, hey, I
don't know what the number is, but I think you
get kicked out.
Speaker 9 (50:52):
For my apologizes.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
Go up. Yes, that is true.
Speaker 9 (50:55):
She was with one hundred and thirty people, so she
had made this election about Trump. She blamed Chittarelli for
this story coming out, saying he's part of the Trump
cabal to release information. Jack Chiarelli has focused specifically on
affordability and electricity costes. Electricity costes are the number one
issue in both Virginia and New Jersey's election. Incidentally, enough
(51:18):
electricity costs for skyrocking in both places. The difference between
New Jersey and Virginia is the elasticity of the electric
So Virginia's electric because it is much blacker and black
in America, has a lower level of They move far, far,
far less than Hispanics or whites do. It is a
less there's less less city for the Republicans to make big,
(51:39):
big games the questions do they show up at all?
There's also a lot of uh, you know, quote unquote awfuls,
which is like angry white female liberals. There's a lot
more in Virginia, and there's a lot of people angry
over the elon cuts to federal jobs. New Jersey doesn't
have that problem, and Chittarelli has been more centralized on
the affordability question and on the tax question. Share had
(52:00):
an absolutely abominable debate performance where where she would not
commit to not raising taxes in the middle class and
she would not explain once again how she made seven
million dollars on a stock trade. Both of those clips
went viral. It's been very, very bad. Everything that is
breaking in someone's favor is Chitdarelly Childarelly's campaign in the
last forty five days have reminded me more of Glenn
(52:23):
Youngkins than when some series, when some series is really
just trying to get the Trump face out, and she's
had a mixed record on the having that ability.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Can you break down for a little bit, Ryan, I
thought that was really interesting, and I'd seen some headlines
around this, the skyrocketing electricity price, as that's generally not
something you think of as a top election issue at
the state level, but that that is in two different states,
in these two critical governors' races. I think it's very interesting.
Part of it, as I understand it, is data center
(52:51):
usage and essentially places getting ready for AI or wanting
to be more part of the AI race, and also
to store all this data online. Part of it is
natural gas prices, So there's a few things coming into it.
But how are the various campaigns handling this? Because I
always think it's so funny the Democrats their only idea
for how to make electricity prices less expensive involve finding
(53:15):
more expensive forms of electricity like solar. I mean, I
don't know what they think they're going to do. So
how's that playing out?
Speaker 6 (53:21):
Right?
Speaker 9 (53:21):
So it is the number one issue in both New
Jersey and Virginia, and AI center sor data centers are
the main culture. Data centers take about twenty five percent
of Virginia's electricity one and four, they've added about twenty
million homes using power through data centers. In New Jersey's
data centers are responsible for seventy percent of the increased
prices and electricity. Jack Turiuelli is talking about having tax
(53:45):
cuts for the middle class and about trying to have
more alternative alternative in a form of solar, but really
looking at increasing natural gas subsidies or anything. He can
just sit there and try to get prices lower through
using taxes in the state. Abigail Spamberger over in Virginia,
she's actually the only candidate running statewide who has pointed
(54:06):
to data centers and saying we need to figure out
how to deal with this increase in the cost of
electricity through data centers, And she's the one who's pointed
the finger when since Here's really hasn't spoken about data
centers or electricity prices nearly as much, focusing much more
on national issues to try to really drive out lower
propensity voters. And I have a number on that Virginia
(54:26):
does not have the does not have party registration like
New Jersey does, so you're not a registered Republican rigiodemocrat.
But among modeling companies, companies that model whether you're likely
to be a Republican or a Democrat, Republicans have done
a much better job at turning out people who have
either never voted and are likely Republicans are only voted
once in the last four elections than Democrats have. So
(54:48):
if that's her game plan, by bringing out lower pencity voters,
it's showing a little bit of traction. But Democrats outside
of Richmond and in the northern part of the state
and the outside of DC are really turn out a gangbusters,
especially in the Richmond suburbs.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Let's go to the New York City mayor's race, because
a lot of our wor listeners are plugged in on
this Ryan, we still haven't gotten any movement from from
anyone to drop out, whether it's Eric Adams, Curtis Ly
Andrew Cuomo. And as I'm looking right now at Polymarket,
they have an eighty seven percent chance that Mom Donnie
(55:27):
is elected mayor. Is there any reason right now in
your mind to expect any kind of movement there or
if you kind of resign yourself to Mom Donnie is
going to be the next New York City mayor.
Speaker 9 (55:39):
Man Donne's been the next city mayor unless Eric Adams
and Curtis Lee would drop out. I mean, and we've
had more polling out of New York City than either
Virginia or New Jersey at this point. Polsters love pulling
New York. It's an interesting race. The problem is in
this fractured field, it needs to be a head on
head competition, and all Polsters agree a head to head
competition between Cuomo and Mandami shows a competitive race, and
(56:02):
we don't know who would win. But Cuomo has run
one of the most god awful campaigns I could imagine.
He's made no concessions to Republicans to try to win
them over. Whatsoever. And Eric Adams is still hanging around
ARO at seven or eight percent, mostly among Jewish and
Black voters who would otherwise be voting for Cuomo. So
it's really been some of the worst campaigning I've ever seen,
(56:24):
especially from Cuomo, and Curzey was had essentially no campaign
aside from going the same five places over and over
and over again. He's pulling somewhere in the load to
mid teams and it's really kind of fizzled out.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
So, okay, do you buy Buck?
Speaker 4 (56:39):
And I have kind of debated this that mom Donnie
could have an impact in the twenty twenty six mid
terms if he is the face of the Democrat party
or do you think he's really not that well known
outside of New York City? What is his impact? Let's
say he wins. Obviously he's not a citizen, i mean
born American citizen, so he's not eligible to run for instance,
(57:01):
for president, thankfully, sadly, given how much support he has
among Democrats, does he have national residents next year? In
your mind if he wins in New York City or not?
Speaker 9 (57:13):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's the reason why Fox News
is the only who covers his speech is live and
they don't do it for any New York City politician,
and they want to. Republicans definitely want to make him
the face, which is why Kim Jeffries still won't endorse him,
despite Kathy Hochele endorsing him. And it'll be a big
question going to twenty twenty six if they sit there
and try to play spoiler.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
Man.
Speaker 9 (57:33):
Donnie made a comment saying, I'm not promising to reindorse
Kathy Hogel or any other Democrat. So they very much
want to play. And I spoke to some Democratic consultants
who are very, very smart, and the question they said,
they said this, it is not a question of if,
like an Aoc or Mandanni type of person will be
the Democratic nominee in twenty twenty eight. It's a matter
(57:54):
of when. It is just a matter of timing. All
the movement is on the progressive side, and they are
absolutely going to make Mundonni the face of it. And
he's you know, he's charming to some people, he's charismatic
to some people. He does have some ability political ability
that I do notice, but his policies are absolutely insane,
especially around policing, and he's going to especially in the Northeast.
(58:15):
It's going to be very problematic for Democrats.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
So is it your view that he will be as
insane as we are worried he will be if he
becomes the mayor of New York, Like, will he actually
do these policies or is this just to get the
sizzle going? But he'll have to deal with the reality
of trying to govern eight and a half million people.
Speaker 9 (58:36):
Well, he has limitations because the governor has a lot
of control over New York City, so it's not like
he's it's not like he's the president of the King
of the city. There are certain things that he can
do that I expect him to do on day one.
He also is the problem the federal government is going
to be breathing down his neck on certain issues, like
the idea that he's going to be able to kick
ice agents out of the city is just not realistic whatsoever.
(58:56):
On certain things. He's going to be pretty horrific on
other things. Can't fulfill half of those promises because he
doesn't have the ability or the wherewithal.
Speaker 6 (59:04):
To do so.
Speaker 9 (59:05):
So, I mean, I think that he's gonna be a
worst mayor than build a Blasio. But I mean that's
what that's what's happening right now in New York.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
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Great stuff.
Speaker 9 (59:23):
Thank you.
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