September 26, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the discussion kicks off with President Donald Trump’s comments on the looming government shutdown and the political battle over federal spending. Trump accuses Democrats of pushing for massive funding for illegal immigrants, tying the debate to Obamacare subsidies and rising healthcare costs. Clay and Buck dive deep into the broken state of the U.S. healthcare system, sharing personal stories that highlight the lack of price transparency, inflated insurance costs, and how illegal immigration strains emergency rooms and taxpayer resources. They argue that Democrats have intentionally created a system that forces Americans to subsidize healthcare for millions of undocumented migrants, driving up premiums and reducing care quality.
The hosts also analyze the political theater surrounding shutdown threats, predicting that despite the rhetoric, a deal will eventually be reached—but at the cost of even more government spending. They emphasize how Trump’s messaging power dominates the narrative, framing Democrats as defenders of open borders and taxpayer-funded benefits for non-citizens.
Later in the hour, Clay and Buck welcome Jack Ciattarelli, Republican candidate for governor of New Jersey, for an in-depth interview on one of the most competitive gubernatorial races in the country. Ciattarelli outlines his plan to cut taxes, lower electricity rates by exiting the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, end sanctuary state policies, and restore parental rights in education. He slams his opponent for ethics scandals, including undisclosed stock trades and misleading claims about her Naval Academy record, and criticizes her support for progressive policies like biological males competing in women’s sports and mandatory LGBTQ curriculum without parental opt-outs. Ciattarelli argues that Phil Murphy’s legacy of high taxes, rising crime, and failing schools has pushed New Jersey voters toward change, making this race a potential Republican breakthrough in a traditionally blue state.
The hour wraps with listener feedback on shutdown fatigue, cultural issues, and a question about whether James Comey might seek a plea deal in his indictment case—a topic Clay and Buck dismiss, noting Comey’s ego and belief that he can beat the charges.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's dive into some of the shall we.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
So.
Speaker 3 (00:01):
President Trump spoke about a few things this morning talking
to reporters. We heard him say that to Na Komi, lied, lied, lied.
There's a lot of that. Few other things that he
got into as well. For example, on the shutdown issue,
I want to talk about this is the government going
to shut down? Probably not. If it does shut down,
it won't be shut down for very long. Generally, these
(00:24):
shutdown talks end up being something along the lines of
a political food fight, and then there's some kind of
agreement last minute and they keep the government going. Maybe
this time is different, but this morning Trump spoke to
reporters about it. This is cut one, and I think
everybody should hear what Democrats.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Are drawing a hard line in the sand on play one.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Everything's going good. We're respected by every nation in the world.
And you know what happened. The Democrats want to shut
it down, and they want to shut it down because
they want to give, opinion, ultimately, trillions of dollars to
illegal migrants, people that came into our country illegally. Some
of those people are criminals, but they came into our
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country illegally, and they want to give them the essential
of the years, trillions of dollars, and our people aren't
going to stand for. They also want to have open borders,
they want to have men and women's sports, they want
to have transgender for everybody. These people are crazy for Democrats,
So if it has to shut down, it'll have to
shut down. But they're the ones that are shutting down.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Clay, this is a very important issue because this is
where Democrats, i think, once again, are going to be exposed.
The issue that he's talking about here has to do
with the funding of Obamacare, Obamacare subsidies healthcare in general,
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and how much money is going to illegal immigrants who
are not We were promised, if everyone recalls, not supposed
to get any federal funding at all for health care,
because then it's quite clear this would be us providing
healthcare to the rest of the world. I mean, at
(02:15):
that point, it just should just be you want to
fly here from Bangladesh, you want to fly here from
from Bolivia, and just countries that start with B. We'll
get your you know, you'll get your heart, you'll get
your heart transplant, you'll get whatever you need here, and
the taxpayers and the hook Ford. Meanwhile, Americans have seen
their health care costs. You your premiums have doubled, and
your and your care is actually no better, If anything,
(02:36):
it has gotten worse. Obamacare is a straight up failure.
But the Democrats want it's a failure at everything other
than telling people they are covered as a ruse to
get them to subsidize everybody else's health care while theirs
gets more expensive and worse. So there's Affordable Care Act
subsidies set to expire at the end of this year,
(02:56):
and Republicans are saying that, look, we got a look
at where this money's actually going. The more people look
at this and pay attention, Clay, the more they'll see.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
If you feel like you're paying too much everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
For mortgages, for gas, for food, for whatever, everything's gotten
more expensive. For your own health care, Oh, you're subsidizing
millions of illegals as well, by the way, And when
you look at this, when you dig into the numbers,
that becomes even more clear.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Even no matter what your politics are, health care is broken.
And Obamacare broke healthcare worse than it was already broken.
And I've got so many thoughts on this, We've talked
about it. You just had a baby Buck, your wife
Carrie did. This is when I was just done with healthcare,
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when we were having our first son. I wanted to
know what it was going to cost, as one does
to have a to.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Have a baby.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And we went around and toured, as probably many of
you have done, of different places, you know, delivery hospitals
probably not the correct phrase for it, but the place
is where you go to have a baby.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
This is one of the things that you could choose.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
It's not emergency room care. It's not oh my goodness,
well you've got to get in an ambulance. It is okay,
we know the baby's coming. Let's go. We'll go tour
all of these different hospitals and we'll all check out,
and my wife's going to pick out where she wants
to go. At every one of them, I said, what
is the baby going to cost? None of them could
(04:33):
tell me. They don't compete at all on price. They
compete on bamboo floors and Wi Fi and what the
reception area is going to be like, and what kind
of meals they have, But they don't tell you what
any of it costs. How many other things in life
(04:54):
do you have where you don't go to buy a
car and go tour a car and say, okay, well,
what's the Rolls Royce cost? But maybe I'll want to
get a used suv instead of the Rolls Royce. To me,
the reason why healthcare is broken is because there is
almost no market based component to it, even when it
(05:16):
is healthcare by choice, not health care by emergency. So
that's me on the soapbox. And really that was the
first time where I just couldn't get over the fact
that none of these hospitals could give me any idea
what having a baby was going to cost there, because
I would have potentially I'm not going to risk my
family's health over it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But if one of them.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
If they're otherwise relatively equal, and one of them is
going to cost me ten thousand dollars more than another,
then I would save the ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
They couldn't tell me. And the reason they couldn't tell
me is because insurance is so broken, they have no
idea and it might cost more or less. Here's another
story for you on that front, Buck, As Dad's probably
out there may well nod along. I am not the
best at getting our kids in for any healthcare appointment.
(06:11):
I often screw things up. I can't remember where my
insurance card is. We had two.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Kids get strep throat. Happens. You're gonna find this out, buck.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
When you get multiple kids, one kid gets sick, basically
it just runs through the whole family. Everybody ends up
getting sick. So we had simultaneously two different kids that
ended up with strep throat. My wife took the first kid,
went to the clinic Vanderbilt University walk in clinic sponsored
whatever it is, relatively close to our home, got the
(06:48):
strep throat diagnosis, got the treatment. A day or two later,
another kid comes down with it. Dad's now in charge,
so she presented accurately as mom's often do. Here is
our insurance card. Here are all the details associated with
what you need in order to treat this child. I
(07:08):
showed up. I'm like, I don't know where my healthcare
card is. I'm not sure exactly you know who our
healthcare provider is. I am, frankly, like many dads, a moron,
and all this stuff took him in.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
He also has strep throat.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Gave him the test, we got billed, and my wife
could gives you the exact dollar specifics on this. Somehow
I was classified as without health insurance at Vanderbilt because
I was a moron and I couldn't figure out where
the health insurance card is and I couldn't even figure
(07:46):
out who our health insurance was. It costs nothing, virtually buck.
My wife got the bill, it was like twenty bucks.
The kid with health insurance cost hundreds of dollars. And
my wife said, wait a minute. These are within the
same day, basically within a couple of days of each other,
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within forty eight hours trips to the exact same clinic.
My husband went in, couldn't remember where his health care
card was, basically had to pay nothing. We're having to
pay hundreds of dollars for this other visit. How is
that possible? She got on the phone with the hospital
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insurance adjuster everybody else. Eventually the hospital said, yeah, when
you don't have health insurance, we don't charge you very
much for health care. But she said, well, wait a minute.
That means that you're overcharging everybody who does have health
insurance a massive amount to subsidize the people without health insurance.
And they were like, yeah, that's just what we do here.
(08:50):
So you're actually better off in this particular location being
a moron like I was and just going in and
basically saying, you don't have health insurance and you pay
like twenty dollars or you pay hundreds of dollars if
you actually have health insurance.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
The market is broken, Well, you say it's broken. It's
broken if you believe that it should be a market.
It's functioning the way that the Democrats wanted to in
so far as you're paying for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Including illegals.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I might add, illegals who use emergency rooms as frontline
day to day medical care cannot be turned away.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And will not be charged.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
It's why you have to wait hours. If you ever
go to an emergency room and you actually have an emergency,
you're probably gonna sit there forever. And anyway, I think
that's broken. Also, Buck, nobody cares about government shutdowns anymore.
We're just over it. I'm sorry. The idea that they tried,
the political media tries to gin up. Oh this is
(09:48):
a huge story. Oh my goodness. Spoiler alert. Here's how
it's going to end. We're going to go further in
debt and they're going to eventually reach a conclusion.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So here's one little interesting addition to the usual show
down talk. One is if Democrats find themselves in a
place where the people of this country figure out that
this really is about just the massive slush fund that
is our healthcare system that is going to they say
it doesn't go to illegals.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It does.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
A lot of it does go to illegals, by the way.
That's that's one part of this. Another part of this,
though Clay, is that there may be layoffs if the
government shuts down after October first, that may be a
moment of opportunity to do more of the federal government
cuts that the administration has wanted to do all along.
(10:37):
In essence, one of the problems that they've run into
in the post Doge advisory era is if Congress has
funded these jobs, can they still get rid of these jobs?
If Congress has said, no, we're funding the following government jobs,
can the executive branch? You know, this has been a
back and forth, and there you know that the courts
are involved. Well, if the money runs out for the job,
(10:58):
why can't the executive branch cut the job?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Because there's no money for the job anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right, So, there is this possibility that will open up
I think a job's cutting moment in time for the
federal bureaucracy, which could I think be interesting as well.
But overall, this is once again going to result in
the government will will be fun.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Here you go.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
This is Trump yesterday said this, This is cut thirty three.
He's making it very clear what he thinks is at
the core of the issue or at the core of
the shutdown fight.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Right now play thirty three.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Well, this is all caused by the Democrats. They asked
us to do something that's totally unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
They never change.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
They want to give money away to illegals, illegally, people
that entered our country illegally. They want to give a
massive federal money and we don't want to do that
because it means everyone's going to just keep pouring better.
Right now, we have absolutely perfect borders like you haven't
seen it many years, even better than the I had
great borders during my four years. But these borders are
(12:05):
stone cold flows. You can only come into our country
legally now. But the Democrats want to give it all
away to also. They want to open up the borders.
Take a look at that. That's a big thing they
want to open borders again after what we're going through now,
getting rid of prisoners, getting rid of all of these
people dropped out from mental institutions, drug dealers, drug addicts, everything,
(12:28):
they're putting everybody into our country. It's all ended now.
But this is what Schumer wants, this is what the
Democrats want.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Clay One difference as well in the shutdown debate, Nobody
on the other side can match Trump when it comes
to the megaphone, and so he's able to get He's
pounding these messages in a way that Chuck Schumer is
not able to counter.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I think that's true.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
And again I just come back to I don't think
anybody cares the overall shutdown dynamic. Eventually there is going
to be some form of resolution. I don't Usually you're
the cynic here, I'll be the cynic cynic and we're
going to end up spending way more money than we
should and uh, and they're just going to keep right
(13:13):
on rolling along.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Well, that that is all.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
The government is going to keep spending too much money,
that's all for sure, and that's baked into it. And
everyone's not all of a sudden going to wake up
and be like I to him with Ran Paul, and
we should go to pre COVID spending. It would be nice.
That's not going to happen. But this is a moment,
you know, there's the highlighting of these issues where people
can play if between now and September, first, a lot
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of Americans figure out that the Democrats are hell bent
on keeping funding for illegal health care for illegals to
get healthcare.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
We got an election in a year, you know, I
think that these things can be.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Important on this and and look, I think everyone is
forcing them to to to protect, to defend issues where
they're getting is the point. Yeah, And again I think
it just comes back to I think one hundred percent
of Americans believe that healthcare is one hundred percent broken
(14:08):
in this country, and so the idea that we are
spending any money on non Americans is a really difficult
to argue.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
This is where you and I see this a little differently.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I think people have no idea when you say it's broken, Yeah,
that's true, but it's like saying our immigration system is broken.
The Democrats have broken it for a reason, on purpose
to do things, and so people need to understand, Like
you just laid out what you just talked about Clay
where that you can't find out the pricing and everything else.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Democrats like Schumer want that so that.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Ten million plus illegals thirty million that are here in
the country have their health care paid for.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Well, yes, I just think they don't understand basic economics.
They think that everything should be free. And honestly, the
fact that I could, I could do weeks on this
because how about the idea that we've created, this idea
that healthcare should be paid for by employers.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Well, the whole thing doesn't make sense. There's this huge,
huge problems with it. But the more people realize that
your super expensive premiums, look at what they are now,
look at what they were ten years ago. And that's
if you've got nice healthcare you know, from your employer,
never mind if you're in like one of these Obamacare
pools for the individuals.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Look at what it costs you, look at your access
to your actual ability to get.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Health care, and understand that it's so that people that
have arrived here in the last.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Year, can you know, get free healthcare.
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One of the big elections that is going to be
determined in this November cycle is who's gonna be the
governor of New Jersey, the Garden State, a place near
and dear to my heart. Is a lifelong New Yorker.
It's like our close cousin next door. I feel like
I'm like an honorary New Jersey and in so many ways,
(19:01):
and we've got we've got the man who is trying
to make sure that it does not fall deep into
communist hands. Jack Chindarelli is with us now. He is
the Republican candidate for governor of New Jersey. Jack, appreciate
you being with us.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Thank you for the time, guys looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Look, you had a great run back in twenty twenty one,
just a few points from beating Phil Murphy. And you
know we were talking about it then, we were giving
you the high five. I know it was too much
to ask in that cycle to pull it off, but
she came very close.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It was a heroic finish.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Nonetheless, this time around, mister Jack, I'm seeing polls with
you dead even maybe even a couple points ahead.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Can you pull it off?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Need?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
What do we need to know about this race.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That it is a dead heat right now? And that's
really good news for Republican I mean, we are the
minority party in the state, but we're going to continue
to get out there over the last thirty nine days
make it happen. And when you see Democratic mayors across
the state endorsing my candidacy, I think it only reaffirms
that people across the state have had it with Phil
Murby fail policies, and they know that my opponent is
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Murphy two point zero.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
What should people who want you to win. We've got
a big audience all over New Jersey. What should they
know to do? What should they know about when early
voting starts, how to donate? Give us your pitch right now?
You said, I think thirty nine days out. What needs
to happen in the next thirty nine days. What should
people listening to us right now do to support you.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
The vote by mail ballots have already been mailed. They
went out last week. So if you're a vote by mail,
vote by mail ballot voter, we want you to get
that in. There'll be nine days of early voting leading
up to election day and then of course Tuesday the fourth.
But what differentiates me from my opponent is Chedda Relly's
have been here for one hundred years and three generations
of Cheddarrellyes of a loving business owners and created jobs
(20:58):
read here in New Jersey. My OPhone hasn't been here
all that long. And she spent half the times he's
been here in the Congress, and during that time she
tripled her net worth and broke federal law and stock
trades and stock reporting for congress people.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Now, what would you Let's let's before we get into
what she would do other than apparently make a lot
of money in the stock market on some defense stocks
that she doesn't remember.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
You know, it's seven million here, seven million there.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I mean that's when Charlemagne, the god to Buck's point
can ask her, how did you make seven million dollars?
And she says, I don't know basically, or she had
no idea how she made it. I think that's pretty
tough for most New Jerseyans out there to say, you know,
I think i'd know if I made seven million dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
It's a disqualifier. Who wouldn't know if they're net worth
it triples in such a short period of time, Who
wouldn't know where an additional seven million dollars came? From
Here's what we do know. She broke federal law and
had to pay fines for it as a congress person. Well,
here's what else is something we know? The New York
Times reports while she was sitting on the House Armed
Services Committee, she was trading defense stocks. I mean, this
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really calls into question her character, as does the stunning
revelation of yesterday that she didn't participate in the graduation
ceremonies at the Naval Academy back in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And now we saw that story about the Naval Academy
and we talked about it yesterday with our friend Ryan Gardusky.
What is that story? I think it was from nineteen
ninety four, and why does it matter to you? How
does it connect to her today?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
She's built her entire political brand around the fact that
she attended the Naval Academy, but she hasn't been transparent
with us. The Naval Academy punished her, and we believe
it's for lying, and so she did not get to
participate in her graduation ceremonies. She can clear this all
up by approving the release of her disciplinary records. She's
(22:52):
not doing that, and I think that tells us a
whole lot, and for her to say that what she's
been saying out there in the public, I think it's
code for having lied to the investigators. Quite frankly, she's
saying that she covered for her friends, who did she
I think that's code for lying to investigators.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Now, we got a lot of WOOR, which is our
New York City based affiliate. Obviously that signal is huge
all across particularly the northern half of the Garden. It
reaches well beyond that. We have a lot of listeners
who are commuters in the New York City who listen
on w or Jack, and so they're very interested to
know what are you going to do if you become
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governor to make what is I'm from Manhattan, so we
like to make you know. The occasional give a little
ribbing to New Jersey, but I love New Jersey. It
is a great state, beautiful state, a lot of things
going for it. What are you going to do to
take New Jersey to the next level, either problems to
fix or just things to focus on in the future.
If you are in fact able to pull off this
(23:53):
very very photo finished governor's.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Race, we are going to pull it off and there's
a number of things we're going to do, including those
things on day one. Here's one thing I'm never gonna
do is lie to the people New Jersey. This laughable, illegitimate,
not feasible plan that she's put forth to declare a
state emergency to freeze our electricity rates. Why would we
want to freeze them at an all time high? We
want to lower them. I could do that on day
(24:16):
one by pulling out of the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative.
This is a carbon tax policy that's been in place
since Murphy took office. The air is no cleaner, electricity
as skyrocketed, and rate payer dollars are going to other states.
I could save half a billion dollars a year in
rate payers dollars, homeowners, tennants, and businesses. We need to
get electricity rates down. Also, on day one, I'll end
(24:39):
the Immigrant Trust Directive. We'll no longer have sanctuary cities
and we will not be a sanctuary state. Also, on
day one, I'll give us an attorney general that supports
both police and parents. The current attorney Jones does not.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
You lost, as we said, very close race. In twenty
twenty one. Trump lost a very close race in New Jersey.
I think it came down to basically five points. The
Trump team said, Hey, if we'd had the money Kamala had,
we could have poured it in, we might have been
able to win New Jersey. Why is New Jersey moving red?
And why do you think now is the time when
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you're going to kick the door down and win this
race here in thirty nine days.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's all because Phil Murphy's policies have has failed. Across
the board. Taxes up every year since he took office,
spending up seventy percent. When he took over, the state
budget was thirty six billions. It's now fifty nine billion,
seventy percent increase. Housing, We've got an overdevelopment crisis going
on in our suburban communities. Public education we slip from
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two to twelve on the national report card with all
the learning laws in the post pandemic world, because he
shut down the schools for two years. Law enforcement, nonviolent
crime has spiked, break in's karts, flash mubs on the
Jersey shore and on our malls. Why because his Attorney
General's handcuffed our local police. These are the issues and
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they represent policy failures in the past seven plus years
and my opponent has endorsed every one of these policies.
In fact, in some cases, like the wind farms, she's
doubled down.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's remarkable to see how I think there was a
clip already circulating Jack of Mikey Cheryl saying your opponent
that she can't even commit to not raising taxes on
the middle class like she's. Tax raises are on the
table all across the board from what I can understand,
which for your state is already pretty heavily taxed date.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
From what I understand, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Was living in New York City, where it's completely insane,
but New Jersey taxes under Murphy have been rough.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
This was an astonishing moment at the debate. She's been lying,
Lee lying blatantly about me raising the sales tax to
ten percent, and yet at the debate when I was asked,
I said, the sales tax is not going to be increased.
I will lower property taxes, I will lower income taxes.
I gave specific ways on how I'm going to do
that in a very fiscally responsible way. They even asked
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her the same question and she said, I'm not gonna
commit to anything. So wait a second, you're lying about
me raising taxes, and then when you're asked why or
not you're raise taxes, your answer is, I'm not gonna
commit to anything.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
When I travel around. And I know this has been
an issue in New Jersey too. It doesn't matter where
you're from. A lot of people see men and women's
sports as a clarifying, crystallizing issue. I know it's a
big point down in Virginia, but a lot of moms
and dads in New Jersey are fed up with the
cultural ridiculousness of the Democrat Party. Do you feel that,
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even having accelerated since you last ran in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Parents are very upset about a number of these far
left liberal policies. Policy fifty seven to fifty six, school
districts keeping secrets and parents. We're going to stop that
on day one. Our children are best off when our
school districts and parents work in partnership. Biological boys playing
in girls' sports, that's one of those any twenty issues
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in New Jersey. More than eight out of ten people
don't agree with that, and so these are the policies
the LGBTQ curriculum in our public schools. My opponent has
said she will not let parents opt their kids out
of that lesson. I mean, these are eighty twenty issues.
But again, she's not from New Jersey. She's out of touch,
she's toned, deaf. It's just another reason why we're going
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to win this race.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Now, what is to the degree you can speak to this?
I know you got a big state, millions and millions
of residents, but some of the what's the profile would
you say of the late breaking voter at this point?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Is it independents that are going to be the difference maker?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Is it Democrats defecting from the high taxes and some
of the other policy matters we've talked about, who's going
to be the deciding cohort in your home state? If
in fact, we're able to see you get across the
finish line with a W.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
For sure, moderate Democrats and unaffiliated slash independent voters the
ones that are still undecided. And I really do believe
that after eight years of Phil Murphy's policies and us
going around the state the way we do, offering specific, responsible,
thoughtful proposals on how to fix New Jersey, at the
end of the day, we're gonna win this race.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Are you here's the final question for you, Jack. This
is important and you may want to dodge it. Are
you a Yankees Mets guy? Are you a Jets Giants guy?
Who are your teams? Because I know there are a
lot of people out there and the Ryder Cup's going on.
I even said to my team, I'm a little bit
surprised he's not there with the president right now rooting
on Team USA, because I bet there's a lot of
New Jersey guys and gals that are out at the
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golf course right now as well.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well. I'm a Yankees guy and they frustrate us a
whole lot over the summer. But this veteran's team is
rising to the occasion when it counts most. And here
we are with only three games left and they're tied
for first. Go.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah, there you go, Governor. I hope good luck. We're
gonna help put you in the governor's office if everybody
out there listening right now gets their votes in and
works as hard as they can for you one last time.
Here as you go to break, where should people go
if they want to offer you support?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Jackfournj dot com, And that's the number four. Jackfournj dot
com I greatly appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Good luck, sir. That is Jack Shitaack. We need to
do it every day.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
We're happy to have you on anytime down the stretch.
Run here we can help out. But again, everybody check
that out. Get your votes in New Jersey is in play,
and Jack Chitdarelli needs to get the win for all
of you.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
All right.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
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buck Sexton show our thanks to hopefully the next Governor
of New Jersey, Jack Chitarelli. Also gonna take a little
victory lap there. I don't think I got us an
FCC violation on the pronunciation of his name at least today.
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And he was great. We got emails rolling in. We're
gonna get to a couple of YR calls. Final Hour
Next of the Week Byron Donalds who hopes to be
the next governor of Florida, is going to join us
at the bottom of the next hour. He's the only
guest in the third hour. We'll take some of your
calls in reactions. Here's some emails Buck. This came directly
to me. Karen says, for fifty years, and I wish
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I could do her voice, because I bet it's a
good one. For fifty years, I've lived through government shutdown
threats all caps never happened with consequences. The stock market
never crashed, school's never closed, paycheck social security, government funded
medical aid, grocery stories, oil gas production. My life never
ended period. You're right, food fights in middle school That
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is an email from Karen.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Karen nailed it, honestly. I think she gets the vibe.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
She knows Karen all caps food fights in middle schools,
and then underneath her name it says beware, I no
longer have filters, which I'm assuming goes on every one
of her emails that she sends, which is really really funny.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Marlene.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Marlene writes in and says, Jimmy Kemble said, you supported
his comments on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Can you
please confirm. Thank you, Marlene Loyle listener, I should have
said in a previous email, please confirm or hopefully deny. No,
he did not say that. I would just say this
in general. And I have to say this to my kids.
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Don't listen to the show. If you're like, that doesn't
sound like something Clay would say, I probably didn't say it,
and someone else is telling you that I did say it.
I would say that for Buck two. Now, sometimes you
might hear it. You might be like, yeah, that sounds
like something Clay would say. But no, all I said was, Hey,
I don't like the idea of people losing their jobs
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over comments. And I said, if you didn't stand up
for Roseanne and you didn't stand up for Gina Kurana,
then I don't want to hear you standing up for
Jimmy Kimmel. So be consistent or inconsistent. We got some
calls Matt in Denver, Matt, what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Hey, guys, Yeah, I don't know if you had it
on your plate to open this topic up. But what
about a plea deal? I mean, do you think they
could propose to call me? Hey, you walk, no harm,
no foul. But we want the big fish.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
We want to know that smart question. But yeah, it's
a very good question.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But I think it's almost certainly these Comy is there's
no way he would Uh, there's no way he would
not take this to trial because he thinks that he
can win. And also he will not admit guilt in
this matter because more than anything else, I think for
Comy this this is almost a for Sank to Comy,
it's an ego issue as much as it is a
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legal issue or a legacy and reputational issue. So he
will I do not think there is any chance because
he's not facing a lot of time anyway, and he
thinks he's got a good shot.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Clay, do you agree with this.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I think there's almost no chance that he would admit
to a felony, even if it meant that he would
one hundred percent walk not a day in prison.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I'm not sure who he would give up, you know.
In other words, generally, when you get somebody who's a
small case, he wouldn't have to give up a bigger fish.
He could just a lot of most plea deals are
just admit you're guilty and will give you a lighter sentence.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So he could, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
No.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
I think he thinks he will beat these charges, and
I think deep down he loves the fact that he
was charged because it plays into his entire persecution hero complex.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
I think he likes the attention at some level. Honestly, honestly,
that's who James Comy is
Let's dive into some of the shall we.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
So.
Speaker 3 (00:01):
President Trump spoke about a few things this morning talking
to reporters. We heard him say that to Na Komi, lied, lied, lied.
There's a lot of that. Few other things that he
got into as well. For example, on the shutdown issue,
I want to talk about this is the government going
to shut down? Probably not. If it does shut down,
it won't be shut down for very long. Generally, these
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shutdown talks end up being something along the lines of
a political food fight, and then there's some kind of
agreement last minute and they keep the government going. Maybe
this time is different, but this morning Trump spoke to
reporters about it. This is cut one, and I think
everybody should hear what Democrats.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Are drawing a hard line in the sand on play one.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Everything's going good. We're respected by every nation in the world.
And you know what happened. The Democrats want to shut
it down, and they want to shut it down because
they want to give, opinion, ultimately, trillions of dollars to
illegal migrants, people that came into our country illegally. Some
of those people are criminals, but they came into our
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country illegally, and they want to give them the essential
of the years, trillions of dollars, and our people aren't
going to stand for. They also want to have open borders,
they want to have men and women's sports, they want
to have transgender for everybody. These people are crazy for Democrats,
So if it has to shut down, it'll have to
shut down. But they're the ones that are shutting down.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Clay, this is a very important issue because this is
where Democrats, i think, once again, are going to be exposed.
The issue that he's talking about here has to do
with the funding of Obamacare, Obamacare subsidies healthcare in general,
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and how much money is going to illegal immigrants who
are not We were promised, if everyone recalls, not supposed
to get any federal funding at all for health care,
because then it's quite clear this would be us providing
healthcare to the rest of the world. I mean, at
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that point, it just should just be you want to
fly here from Bangladesh, you want to fly here from
from Bolivia, and just countries that start with B. We'll
get your you know, you'll get your heart, you'll get
your heart transplant, you'll get whatever you need here, and
the taxpayers and the hook Ford. Meanwhile, Americans have seen
their health care costs. You your premiums have doubled, and
your and your care is actually no better, If anything,
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it has gotten worse. Obamacare is a straight up failure.
But the Democrats want it's a failure at everything other
than telling people they are covered as a ruse to
get them to subsidize everybody else's health care while theirs
gets more expensive and worse. So there's Affordable Care Act
subsidies set to expire at the end of this year,
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and Republicans are saying that, look, we got a look
at where this money's actually going. The more people look
at this and pay attention, Clay, the more they'll see.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
If you feel like you're paying too much everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
For mortgages, for gas, for food, for whatever, everything's gotten
more expensive. For your own health care, Oh, you're subsidizing
millions of illegals as well, by the way, And when
you look at this, when you dig into the numbers,
that becomes even more clear.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Even no matter what your politics are, health care is broken.
And Obamacare broke healthcare worse than it was already broken.
And I've got so many thoughts on this, We've talked
about it. You just had a baby Buck, your wife
Carrie did. This is when I was just done with healthcare,
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when we were having our first son. I wanted to
know what it was going to cost, as one does
to have a to.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Have a baby.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And we went around and toured, as probably many of
you have done, of different places, you know, delivery hospitals
probably not the correct phrase for it, but the place
is where you go to have a baby.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
This is one of the things that you could choose.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
It's not emergency room care. It's not oh my goodness,
well you've got to get in an ambulance. It is okay,
we know the baby's coming. Let's go. We'll go tour
all of these different hospitals and we'll all check out,
and my wife's going to pick out where she wants
to go. At every one of them, I said, what
is the baby going to cost? None of them could
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tell me. They don't compete at all on price. They
compete on bamboo floors and Wi Fi and what the
reception area is going to be like, and what kind
of meals they have, But they don't tell you what
any of it costs. How many other things in life
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do you have where you don't go to buy a
car and go tour a car and say, okay, well,
what's the Rolls Royce cost? But maybe I'll want to
get a used suv instead of the Rolls Royce. To me,
the reason why healthcare is broken is because there is
almost no market based component to it, even when it
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is healthcare by choice, not health care by emergency. So
that's me on the soapbox. And really that was the
first time where I just couldn't get over the fact
that none of these hospitals could give me any idea
what having a baby was going to cost there, because
I would have potentially I'm not going to risk my
family's health over it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But if one of them.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
If they're otherwise relatively equal, and one of them is
going to cost me ten thousand dollars more than another,
then I would save the ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
They couldn't tell me. And the reason they couldn't tell
me is because insurance is so broken, they have no
idea and it might cost more or less. Here's another
story for you on that front, Buck, As Dad's probably
out there may well nod along. I am not the
best at getting our kids in for any healthcare appointment.
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I often screw things up. I can't remember where my
insurance card is. We had two.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Kids get strep throat. Happens. You're gonna find this out, buck.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
When you get multiple kids, one kid gets sick, basically
it just runs through the whole family. Everybody ends up
getting sick. So we had simultaneously two different kids that
ended up with strep throat. My wife took the first kid,
went to the clinic Vanderbilt University walk in clinic sponsored
whatever it is, relatively close to our home, got the
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strep throat diagnosis, got the treatment. A day or two later,
another kid comes down with it. Dad's now in charge,
so she presented accurately as mom's often do. Here is
our insurance card. Here are all the details associated with
what you need in order to treat this child. I
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showed up. I'm like, I don't know where my healthcare
card is. I'm not sure exactly you know who our
healthcare provider is. I am, frankly, like many dads, a moron,
and all this stuff took him in.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
He also has strep throat.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Gave him the test, we got billed, and my wife
could gives you the exact dollar specifics on this. Somehow
I was classified as without health insurance at Vanderbilt because
I was a moron and I couldn't figure out where
the health insurance card is and I couldn't even figure
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out who our health insurance was. It costs nothing, virtually buck.
My wife got the bill, it was like twenty bucks.
The kid with health insurance cost hundreds of dollars. And
my wife said, wait a minute. These are within the
same day, basically within a couple of days of each other,
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within forty eight hours trips to the exact same clinic.
My husband went in, couldn't remember where his health care
card was, basically had to pay nothing. We're having to
pay hundreds of dollars for this other visit. How is
that possible? She got on the phone with the hospital
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insurance adjuster everybody else. Eventually the hospital said, yeah, when
you don't have health insurance, we don't charge you very
much for health care. But she said, well, wait a minute.
That means that you're overcharging everybody who does have health
insurance a massive amount to subsidize the people without health insurance.
And they were like, yeah, that's just what we do here.
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So you're actually better off in this particular location being
a moron like I was and just going in and
basically saying, you don't have health insurance and you pay
like twenty dollars or you pay hundreds of dollars if
you actually have health insurance.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
The market is broken, Well, you say it's broken. It's
broken if you believe that it should be a market.
It's functioning the way that the Democrats wanted to in
so far as you're paying for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Including illegals.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I might add, illegals who use emergency rooms as frontline
day to day medical care cannot be turned away.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And will not be charged.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
It's why you have to wait hours. If you ever
go to an emergency room and you actually have an emergency,
you're probably gonna sit there forever. And anyway, I think
that's broken. Also, Buck, nobody cares about government shutdowns anymore.
We're just over it. I'm sorry. The idea that they tried,
the political media tries to gin up. Oh this is
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a huge story. Oh my goodness. Spoiler alert. Here's how
it's going to end. We're going to go further in
debt and they're going to eventually reach a conclusion.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So here's one little interesting addition to the usual show
down talk. One is if Democrats find themselves in a
place where the people of this country figure out that
this really is about just the massive slush fund that
is our healthcare system that is going to they say
it doesn't go to illegals.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It does.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
A lot of it does go to illegals, by the way.
That's that's one part of this. Another part of this,
though Clay, is that there may be layoffs if the
government shuts down after October first, that may be a
moment of opportunity to do more of the federal government
cuts that the administration has wanted to do all along.
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In essence, one of the problems that they've run into
in the post Doge advisory era is if Congress has
funded these jobs, can they still get rid of these jobs?
If Congress has said, no, we're funding the following government jobs,
can the executive branch? You know, this has been a
back and forth, and there you know that the courts
are involved. Well, if the money runs out for the job,
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why can't the executive branch cut the job?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Because there's no money for the job anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right, So, there is this possibility that will open up
I think a job's cutting moment in time for the
federal bureaucracy, which could I think be interesting as well.
But overall, this is once again going to result in
the government will will be fun.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Here you go.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
This is Trump yesterday said this, This is cut thirty three.
He's making it very clear what he thinks is at
the core of the issue or at the core of
the shutdown fight.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Right now play thirty three.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Well, this is all caused by the Democrats. They asked
us to do something that's totally unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
They never change.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
They want to give money away to illegals, illegally, people
that entered our country illegally. They want to give a
massive federal money and we don't want to do that
because it means everyone's going to just keep pouring better.
Right now, we have absolutely perfect borders like you haven't
seen it many years, even better than the I had
great borders during my four years. But these borders are
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stone cold flows. You can only come into our country
legally now. But the Democrats want to give it all
away to also. They want to open up the borders.
Take a look at that. That's a big thing they
want to open borders again after what we're going through now,
getting rid of prisoners, getting rid of all of these
people dropped out from mental institutions, drug dealers, drug addicts, everything,
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they're putting everybody into our country. It's all ended now.
But this is what Schumer wants, this is what the
Democrats want.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Clay One difference as well in the shutdown debate, Nobody
on the other side can match Trump when it comes
to the megaphone, and so he's able to get He's
pounding these messages in a way that Chuck Schumer is
not able to counter.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I think that's true.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
And again I just come back to I don't think
anybody cares the overall shutdown dynamic. Eventually there is going
to be some form of resolution. I don't Usually you're
the cynic here, I'll be the cynic cynic and we're
going to end up spending way more money than we
should and uh, and they're just going to keep right
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on rolling along.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Well, that that is all.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
The government is going to keep spending too much money,
that's all for sure, and that's baked into it. And
everyone's not all of a sudden going to wake up
and be like I to him with Ran Paul, and
we should go to pre COVID spending. It would be nice.
That's not going to happen. But this is a moment,
you know, there's the highlighting of these issues where people
can play if between now and September, first, a lot
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of Americans figure out that the Democrats are hell bent
on keeping funding for illegal health care for illegals to
get healthcare.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
We got an election in a year, you know, I
think that these things can be.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Important on this and and look, I think everyone is
forcing them to to to protect, to defend issues where
they're getting is the point. Yeah, And again I think
it just comes back to I think one hundred percent
of Americans believe that healthcare is one hundred percent broken
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in this country, and so the idea that we are
spending any money on non Americans is a really difficult
to argue.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
This is where you and I see this a little differently.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I think people have no idea when you say it's broken, Yeah,
that's true, but it's like saying our immigration system is broken.
The Democrats have broken it for a reason, on purpose
to do things, and so people need to understand, Like
you just laid out what you just talked about Clay
where that you can't find out the pricing and everything else.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Democrats like Schumer want that so that.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
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One of the big elections that is going to be
determined in this November cycle is who's gonna be the
governor of New Jersey, the Garden State, a place near
and dear to my heart. Is a lifelong New Yorker.
It's like our close cousin next door. I feel like
I'm like an honorary New Jersey and in so many ways,
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and we've got we've got the man who is trying
to make sure that it does not fall deep into
communist hands. Jack Chindarelli is with us now. He is
the Republican candidate for governor of New Jersey. Jack, appreciate
you being with us.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Thank you for the time, guys looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Look, you had a great run back in twenty twenty one,
just a few points from beating Phil Murphy. And you
know we were talking about it then, we were giving
you the high five. I know it was too much
to ask in that cycle to pull it off, but
she came very close.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It was a heroic finish.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Nonetheless, this time around, mister Jack, I'm seeing polls with
you dead even maybe even a couple points ahead.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Can you pull it off?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Need?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
What do we need to know about this race.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That it is a dead heat right now? And that's
really good news for Republican I mean, we are the
minority party in the state, but we're going to continue
to get out there over the last thirty nine days
make it happen. And when you see Democratic mayors across
the state endorsing my candidacy, I think it only reaffirms
that people across the state have had it with Phil
Murby fail policies, and they know that my opponent is
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Murphy two point zero.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
What should people who want you to win. We've got
a big audience all over New Jersey. What should they
know to do? What should they know about when early
voting starts, how to donate? Give us your pitch right now?
You said, I think thirty nine days out. What needs
to happen in the next thirty nine days. What should
people listening to us right now do to support you.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
The vote by mail ballots have already been mailed. They
went out last week. So if you're a vote by mail,
vote by mail ballot voter, we want you to get
that in. There'll be nine days of early voting leading
up to election day and then of course Tuesday the fourth.
But what differentiates me from my opponent is Chedda Relly's
have been here for one hundred years and three generations
of Cheddarrellyes of a loving business owners and created jobs
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read here in New Jersey. My OPhone hasn't been here
all that long. And she spent half the times he's
been here in the Congress, and during that time she
tripled her net worth and broke federal law and stock
trades and stock reporting for congress people.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Now, what would you Let's let's before we get into
what she would do other than apparently make a lot
of money in the stock market on some defense stocks
that she doesn't remember.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
You know, it's seven million here, seven million there.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I mean that's when Charlemagne, the god to Buck's point
can ask her, how did you make seven million dollars?
And she says, I don't know basically, or she had
no idea how she made it. I think that's pretty
tough for most New Jerseyans out there to say, you know,
I think i'd know if I made seven million dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
It's a disqualifier. Who wouldn't know if they're net worth
it triples in such a short period of time, Who
wouldn't know where an additional seven million dollars came? From
Here's what we do know. She broke federal law and
had to pay fines for it as a congress person. Well,
here's what else is something we know? The New York
Times reports while she was sitting on the House Armed
Services Committee, she was trading defense stocks. I mean, this
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really calls into question her character, as does the stunning
revelation of yesterday that she didn't participate in the graduation
ceremonies at the Naval Academy back in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And now we saw that story about the Naval Academy
and we talked about it yesterday with our friend Ryan Gardusky.
What is that story? I think it was from nineteen
ninety four, and why does it matter to you? How
does it connect to her today?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
She's built her entire political brand around the fact that
she attended the Naval Academy, but she hasn't been transparent
with us. The Naval Academy punished her, and we believe
it's for lying, and so she did not get to
participate in her graduation ceremonies. She can clear this all
up by approving the release of her disciplinary records. She's
(22:52):
not doing that, and I think that tells us a
whole lot, and for her to say that what she's
been saying out there in the public, I think it's
code for having lied to the investigators. Quite frankly, she's
saying that she covered for her friends, who did she
I think that's code for lying to investigators.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Now, we got a lot of WOOR, which is our
New York City based affiliate. Obviously that signal is huge
all across particularly the northern half of the Garden. It
reaches well beyond that. We have a lot of listeners
who are commuters in the New York City who listen
on w or Jack, and so they're very interested to
know what are you going to do if you become
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governor to make what is I'm from Manhattan, so we
like to make you know. The occasional give a little
ribbing to New Jersey, but I love New Jersey. It
is a great state, beautiful state, a lot of things
going for it. What are you going to do to
take New Jersey to the next level, either problems to
fix or just things to focus on in the future.
If you are in fact able to pull off this
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very very photo finished governor's.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Race, we are going to pull it off and there's
a number of things we're going to do, including those
things on day one. Here's one thing I'm never gonna
do is lie to the people New Jersey. This laughable, illegitimate,
not feasible plan that she's put forth to declare a
state emergency to freeze our electricity rates. Why would we
want to freeze them at an all time high? We
want to lower them. I could do that on day
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one by pulling out of the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative.
This is a carbon tax policy that's been in place
since Murphy took office. The air is no cleaner, electricity
as skyrocketed, and rate payer dollars are going to other states.
I could save half a billion dollars a year in
rate payers dollars, homeowners, tennants, and businesses. We need to
get electricity rates down. Also, on day one, I'll end
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the Immigrant Trust Directive. We'll no longer have sanctuary cities
and we will not be a sanctuary state. Also, on
day one, I'll give us an attorney general that supports
both police and parents. The current attorney Jones does not.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
You lost, as we said, very close race. In twenty
twenty one. Trump lost a very close race in New Jersey.
I think it came down to basically five points. The
Trump team said, Hey, if we'd had the money Kamala had,
we could have poured it in, we might have been
able to win New Jersey. Why is New Jersey moving red?
And why do you think now is the time when
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you're going to kick the door down and win this
race here in thirty nine days.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's all because Phil Murphy's policies have has failed. Across
the board. Taxes up every year since he took office,
spending up seventy percent. When he took over, the state
budget was thirty six billions. It's now fifty nine billion,
seventy percent increase. Housing, We've got an overdevelopment crisis going
on in our suburban communities. Public education we slip from
(25:40):
two to twelve on the national report card with all
the learning laws in the post pandemic world, because he
shut down the schools for two years. Law enforcement, nonviolent
crime has spiked, break in's karts, flash mubs on the
Jersey shore and on our malls. Why because his Attorney
General's handcuffed our local police. These are the issues and
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they represent policy failures in the past seven plus years
and my opponent has endorsed every one of these policies.
In fact, in some cases, like the wind farms, she's
doubled down.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's remarkable to see how I think there was a
clip already circulating Jack of Mikey Cheryl saying your opponent
that she can't even commit to not raising taxes on
the middle class like she's. Tax raises are on the
table all across the board from what I can understand,
which for your state is already pretty heavily taxed date.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
From what I understand, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Was living in New York City, where it's completely insane,
but New Jersey taxes under Murphy have been rough.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
This was an astonishing moment at the debate. She's been lying,
Lee lying blatantly about me raising the sales tax to
ten percent, and yet at the debate when I was asked,
I said, the sales tax is not going to be increased.
I will lower property taxes, I will lower income taxes.
I gave specific ways on how I'm going to do
that in a very fiscally responsible way. They even asked
(27:00):
her the same question and she said, I'm not gonna
commit to anything. So wait a second, you're lying about
me raising taxes, and then when you're asked why or
not you're raise taxes, your answer is, I'm not gonna
commit to anything.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
When I travel around. And I know this has been
an issue in New Jersey too. It doesn't matter where
you're from. A lot of people see men and women's
sports as a clarifying, crystallizing issue. I know it's a
big point down in Virginia, but a lot of moms
and dads in New Jersey are fed up with the
cultural ridiculousness of the Democrat Party. Do you feel that,
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even having accelerated since you last ran in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Parents are very upset about a number of these far
left liberal policies. Policy fifty seven to fifty six, school
districts keeping secrets and parents. We're going to stop that
on day one. Our children are best off when our
school districts and parents work in partnership. Biological boys playing
in girls' sports, that's one of those any twenty issues
(28:01):
in New Jersey. More than eight out of ten people
don't agree with that, and so these are the policies
the LGBTQ curriculum in our public schools. My opponent has
said she will not let parents opt their kids out
of that lesson. I mean, these are eighty twenty issues.
But again, she's not from New Jersey. She's out of touch,
she's toned, deaf. It's just another reason why we're going
(28:23):
to win this race.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Now, what is to the degree you can speak to this?
I know you got a big state, millions and millions
of residents, but some of the what's the profile would
you say of the late breaking voter at this point?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Is it independents that are going to be the difference maker?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Is it Democrats defecting from the high taxes and some
of the other policy matters we've talked about, who's going
to be the deciding cohort in your home state? If
in fact, we're able to see you get across the
finish line with a W.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
For sure, moderate Democrats and unaffiliated slash independent voters the
ones that are still undecided. And I really do believe
that after eight years of Phil Murphy's policies and us
going around the state the way we do, offering specific, responsible,
thoughtful proposals on how to fix New Jersey, at the
end of the day, we're gonna win this race.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Are you here's the final question for you, Jack. This
is important and you may want to dodge it. Are
you a Yankees Mets guy? Are you a Jets Giants guy?
Who are your teams? Because I know there are a
lot of people out there and the Ryder Cup's going on.
I even said to my team, I'm a little bit
surprised he's not there with the president right now rooting
on Team USA, because I bet there's a lot of
New Jersey guys and gals that are out at the
(29:36):
golf course right now as well.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well. I'm a Yankees guy and they frustrate us a
whole lot over the summer. But this veteran's team is
rising to the occasion when it counts most. And here
we are with only three games left and they're tied
for first. Go.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah, there you go, Governor. I hope good luck. We're
gonna help put you in the governor's office if everybody
out there listening right now gets their votes in and
works as hard as they can for you one last time.
Here as you go to break, where should people go
if they want to offer you support?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Jackfournj dot com, And that's the number four. Jackfournj dot
com I greatly appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Good luck, sir. That is Jack Shitaack. We need to
do it every day.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
We're happy to have you on anytime down the stretch.
Run here we can help out. But again, everybody check
that out. Get your votes in New Jersey is in play,
and Jack Chitdarelli needs to get the win for all
of you.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
All right.
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buck Sexton show our thanks to hopefully the next Governor
of New Jersey, Jack Chitarelli. Also gonna take a little
victory lap there. I don't think I got us an
FCC violation on the pronunciation of his name at least today.
(33:09):
And he was great. We got emails rolling in. We're
gonna get to a couple of YR calls. Final Hour
Next of the Week Byron Donalds who hopes to be
the next governor of Florida, is going to join us
at the bottom of the next hour. He's the only
guest in the third hour. We'll take some of your
calls in reactions. Here's some emails Buck. This came directly
to me. Karen says, for fifty years, and I wish
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I could do her voice, because I bet it's a
good one. For fifty years, I've lived through government shutdown
threats all caps never happened with consequences. The stock market
never crashed, school's never closed, paycheck social security, government funded
medical aid, grocery stories, oil gas production. My life never
ended period. You're right, food fights in middle school That
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Karen nailed it, honestly. I think she gets the vibe.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
She knows Karen all caps food fights in middle schools,
and then underneath her name it says beware, I no
longer have filters, which I'm assuming goes on every one
of her emails that she sends, which is really really funny.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Marlene.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Marlene writes in and says, Jimmy Kemble said, you supported
his comments on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Can you
please confirm. Thank you, Marlene Loyle listener, I should have
said in a previous email, please confirm or hopefully deny. No,
he did not say that. I would just say this
in general. And I have to say this to my kids.
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Don't listen to the show. If you're like, that doesn't
sound like something Clay would say, I probably didn't say it,
and someone else is telling you that I did say it.
I would say that for Buck two. Now, sometimes you
might hear it. You might be like, yeah, that sounds
like something Clay would say. But no, all I said was, Hey,
I don't like the idea of people losing their jobs
(34:53):
over comments. And I said, if you didn't stand up
for Roseanne and you didn't stand up for Gina Kurana,
then I don't want to hear you standing up for
Jimmy Kimmel. So be consistent or inconsistent. We got some
calls Matt in Denver, Matt, what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Hey, guys, Yeah, I don't know if you had it
on your plate to open this topic up. But what
about a plea deal? I mean, do you think they
could propose to call me? Hey, you walk, no harm,
no foul. But we want the big fish.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
We want to know that smart question. But yeah, it's
a very good question.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But I think it's almost certainly these Comy is there's
no way he would Uh, there's no way he would
not take this to trial because he thinks that he
can win. And also he will not admit guilt in
this matter because more than anything else, I think for
Comy this this is almost a for Sank to Comy,
it's an ego issue as much as it is a
(35:49):
legal issue or a legacy and reputational issue. So he
will I do not think there is any chance because
he's not facing a lot of time anyway, and he
thinks he's got a good shot.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Clay, do you agree with this.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I think there's almost no chance that he would admit
to a felony, even if it meant that he would
one hundred percent walk not a day in prison.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I'm not sure who he would give up, you know.
In other words, generally, when you get somebody who's a
small case, he wouldn't have to give up a bigger fish.
He could just a lot of most plea deals are
just admit you're guilty and will give you a lighter sentence.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So he could, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
No.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
I think he thinks he will beat these charges, and
I think deep down he loves the fact that he
was charged because it plays into his entire persecution hero complex.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
I think he likes the attention at some level. Honestly, honestly,
that's who James Comy is
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