September 26, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts dive deeper into the legal and political firestorm surrounding James Comey’s indictment for perjury. Clay and Buck analyze the congressional testimony at the heart of the case, including pointed questioning from Senator Ted Cruz and earlier statements to Senator Chuck Grassley. They break down the challenges prosecutors face in proving Comey knowingly lied under oath about authorizing FBI leaks during the Trump-Russia investigation. The discussion explores the five-year statute of limitations, evidentiary hurdles, and whether the case hinges on insider testimony or circumstantial evidence like email and phone records. Both hosts stress the importance of accountability, noting that Comey aggressively pursued similar charges against Trump allies, and argue that equal justice demands consequences—even if conviction is unlikely due to a favorable judge and jury pool in Northern Virginia.
The conversation then shifts to jury bias, venue reform, and systemic fairness, with Clay proposing that federal defendants should have the right to move cases to their home state to avoid politically skewed juries. Buck underscores the symbolic value of the indictment as a deterrent against future abuses of power within federal agencies.
Later in the hour, the show features an exclusive interview with Congressman Byron Donalds, a leading conservative voice and candidate for Governor of Florida. Donalds shares his personal journey from Democrat to Tea Party activist to U.S. Congressman, emphasizing his commitment to keeping Florida the “Free State.” He outlines his priorities as governor: reducing property taxes, stabilizing the insurance market, attracting manufacturing and tech jobs, and eliminating woke policies in schools. Donalds also addresses the looming government shutdown, blaming Senate Democrats for catering to the radical left, and reaffirms his support for law enforcement and parental rights in education.
The interview takes a personal turn as Donalds reflects on the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk, praising his legacy in mobilizing young conservatives and defending Judeo-Christian values. The hour closes with lighter moments, including Donalds’ love for sports, his Florida State Seminoles predictions, and Clay and Buck’s banter about NFL picks and the Ryder Cup.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Some breaking
news from the Jimmy Kimmel World. Legitimately, in the last
ten minutes, Saint Clair, one of the local broadcast networks
alongside of Nextstar that had refused to air the Jimmy
Kimmel Show, now says that it will return the Jimmy
(00:24):
Kimmel Show to its airwaves, meaning the huge free speech
battle over Jimmy Kimmel missing four shows has basically worked
its way through to completion.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I guess I can end my hunger strike now, Clay.
I can I can unchain myself from the front steps
of city Hall. I can I can resume life thinking
that the Constitution has not I mean, give me a break?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes, yes, you may. Indeed, the President of the United
States is on the golf course right now for the
Ryder Cup where he is hearing on the United States
men's team, which had a rough start to the day.
And basically the four matches that are underway right now
between the United States and Europe are all even with
(01:13):
those being through five, through four and through three holes
right now. According to the scoreboard that I am watching.
I bet as one of our early callers was doing.
I bet that many of you are potentially listening to
us on radio while having the Ryder Cup playing. Because
I think this audience is a big golf fan audience
(01:35):
and certainly is a very pro USA audience. I wanted
to play for you, guys. Ted Cruz questions. So, obviously,
we've been talking a great deal about Komy being indicted.
We've talked about the jurisdiction under the location meaning Alexandria.
We've given Lindsay Halligan I think is her name, the
(01:58):
newly appointed US attorney who has gotten these double indictments.
We have talked about the judge in play here, we've
talked about the law in play. We have not played
for you what is it appears the audio that is
the testimony to Congress that created a perjury charge. Remember,
(02:19):
and Buck, you can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
There is a five year statute of limitations for perjury charges.
We were coming up on the very end of those
that statutory window to allow charges to be brought.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I believe all federal criminal charges have a five
year statutory limit a statutory limit or statute of limitations,
unless otherwise specified. There are some that have no limitation,
but you know, no statute of limitations. But yes, five
years is the standard, and this is a low level thing,
so it's going to be five years.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Okay, So I want to play for you cut thirty two.
We think this is where the perjury charge is coming from.
This is our friend Senator Ted Cruz of Texas asking
toomy about prior testimony which we will also play for
you about leaking information during the Russia the Russia ridiculousness.
(03:13):
Here's cut thirty two. This was from a little bit
less roughly five years ago. Listen.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
On May third, twenty seventeen, in this committee, Chairman Grassley
asked you, point blank, quote have you ever been an
anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the
Trump investigation of the Clinton investigation? You responded under oath
quote never. He then asked you, quote, have you ever
authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous
(03:40):
source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the
Clinton administration? You responded again under oath No. Now, as
you know, mister McCabe, who works for you as publicly
and repeatedly stated that he leaked information to the Wall
Street Journal and that you were directly aware of it
and that you directly authorized it.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Now, what McCabe is.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Saying and what you testify to this committee cannot both
be true.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
One or the other is false. Who's telling the truth.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I just can only speak to my testimony. I stand
by what the testimony you summarized that I gave in
May of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So your testimony is you've never authorized anyone to leak.
And mister mccab when if he says contrary, is not
telling the truth?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Again, I'm not going to characterize Andy's testimony, but mine
is the same today.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay, now, buck, let me also play for everyone, because
this is getting a little bit complicated. So and again,
one of the challenges with perjury charges in general is
proving knowledge of something being untrue and an intent to
directly lie. Again, you have to prove all of this,
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not that we think it happened, not that it seems
likely that it was happening. And then also producer Greg
pulled the cut from twenty seventeen which you heard the
questioning from Ted Cruz was about this is Chuck Grassley,
Iowa Senator with James Comy Listen Director Comy.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Have you ever been an anonymous source in news reports
about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Never?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Question two one, relatively related. Have you ever authorized someone
else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in
news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
No?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Has any classified information relating to President Trump or his
association associates been declassified and shared with the media, not
to my knowledge.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, buck, let's dive in here. I'll put on my
proverbial lawyer hat. I want to get your take, and
then obviously many of you can can react. I think
it's highly likely that James Comy has been an anonymous source,
and or he has authorized others to be anonymous sources.
If you asked me to set the odds or likelihood
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of that, ninety eight percent, maybe ninety nine percent. I'm
very confident that he has, based on some of these stories,
been sourced background. This gets into the complexity here. I also,
and I bet you would sign off on this. Find
it highly unlikely that any journalist is going to give
up their source and say, hey, guess what. James Comey
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was the guy who told me X that I used
to write an article about I think you would probably
sign off and say, yeah, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So, yep, they're not going to burn They're not going
to burn Comy as a source. And then you'd have
to have the government willing to put them, which they
have been willing to do in other leak investigations. I
might add, but they would have to be willing to
put that journalist in prison for contempt, for refusing to
People believe and this is something that everyone argues with
me on and they are wrong. People believe that journalists
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have a special protection under the First Amendment that is
not actually legally true. There's a kind of more of
a guideline that you don't make journalists of old sources.
But in the course of a criminal investigation, there is
no statutory protection for journalists that exists at a federal level.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
And that is just the reality.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
So this is why when there's a big leak investigation
over national security, they can be like, Okay, you're not
going to tell us the sources, We're going to lock
you up.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
There's a First Amendment tension that comes up with that,
But there is actually no legal prohibition.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
On that Judith Miller was the New York Times reporter
that actually got locked up over leaks in the past, right,
if I remember that correctly, they put her in prison
for a short period of time. Okay, so you and
I both believe it's highly unlikely that a journalist is
going to give up the source and say yeah, I
talk to James Comy. That would mean that what is
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the evidence? Right, So in order to get a conviction
for perjury, going into the nitty gritty of this case
is going to require there being some evidence. I can
tell you that I think it's highly likely, but can
you prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, as is a
standard that a jury would have to believe was the case.
The way to me that this gets proven is one,
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and this is by far the easiest. There is someone
that is going to testify against James Comy and say
I know for a fact he was a source or
he directly told me to be a source, and I
am getting some form of government protection in order to
be a witness, and I can put get him dead
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to rights on this charge because he told me the
exact opposite of what he testified to. That's point one.
That would be by far the best way to prove
this case is someone testifies and says he did it.
And I can tell you exactly how. The only other
way that I can think of, buck that they could
get this charge proven is if there were enough circumstantial
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evidence that you could prove Hey, James Comy made because
he was using a government phone and I'm just using example,
James Comy sent emails, and we know because he was
using a government email address or some other way, there
were direct contacts with reporters. All these contacts happened, and
then a story came out that is circumstantial evidence that
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Comy was in fact having conversations with the reporters, and
he lied when he said he was not an anonymous
source and he had never authorized anyone. Can you think
of any other way they could prove this short of
James Kobe being like on the witness stand, and I
would do it again. You know that's exactly Coby.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yes, you could see Comy having something of a theatrical
flourish here at some point.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I Colonel Nathan Jessup, by the way, one of the
all time great U scenes in the history of cinema.
I think is just up on that witness stand and
a few good men, I.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Mean, the the unsung hero of the movie, because we
actually do need him on that wall. You know, I'm
just throwing that out there, like we need guys who
are badasses, who bad guys.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
That is such a great movie.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
It's a fun it's a it's a fun fun film.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Great great rewatchable too, I would I would say, Clay,
it's It's also worth noting that in the Trump era,
lying to investigators, I mean, this has been the go to.
This is what they got Papadopoulos on. This is what
they got, whether investigators or to Congress under oath. This
is what they got Papadopoulos on. He went to prison
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for fourteen days. This is and it was a minor thing.
Proadappas didn't break any actual law, but they said he
mischaracterized his conversation with Joseph mifsud and So, who's a
London based professor.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
And so they said, well, you have to go to
prison now.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
This is They sent the whole tactical team in the
FBI tactical team in and gave had a tip off
by the way to go get Roger Stone. And you know,
they got him on obstruction and false statements.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
That was what. So they're nailing people for this stuff
in Trump world left and right.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
They got as I said, they got Bannon and Navarro
on contempt of Congress.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I mean they will.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
They Comy himself sent in FBI agents on the pretext
of a Logan Act violation, a law that has never
sent anybody in American history to prison, and it's been
around for two hundred years. So if you're going to
be on the team here as Comy was that the
most clear abuse of statute and the most kind of
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officious and hyper legalistic interpretation of law should be used
to imprison your political adversaries.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
It's gotta go both ways. It's gotta go both ways.
So if Comy, if we.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Can prove beyond a reasonable doubt Comy lied about this one,
they should absolutely convict and he should absolutely do some time.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
And that is the America we need to live in.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I agree with all that, and that's to me, if
you go into the charges themselves, that is the only
way I can see that they can be proved beyond
a reasonable doubt. Somebody going to ask.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You something about this, do you think do you think
the proof even matters. I think that the jury pool
is everything here, meaning that you know, if you get
people that think that Comy's a slippery fish and deserves
what's coming his way here, you're gonna get a conviction.
I think that's unfortunately, very unlikely. I think it's much
more like you'll have at least one person who is
hashtag resistance, probably saw her or him clay out in
(12:39):
that protest at the inauguration in the cold, purple hair
blowing in the wind, sadly yelling free Palestine. You get
one of those people on this jury, this game over,
Comy gets to walk.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Well, what you're hitting at is what I think is
ultimately why Comy's not going to get convicted. You've got
a judge that's likely to be in his favor, You've
got to jury pool that's overwhelmingly going to be in
his favor. You've got at least the mid tier circuit
court judges that may well be in his favor. And
what you're hitting at is actually I always try to
go and say, okay, this is a big issue, now,
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how do we fix it going forward? I wish more
people would get in line behind this idea. And I've
talked with senators who are very smart about the law
on this, and in Koby's defense, this is working in
his favor. The jury pool decides everything. What is a
jury of your peers? It's a really fascinating question. It's
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philosophical to me. If I were going to get charged
with a crime.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You want, you would want SEC season ticket holders to
be your jury.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Would be That would be the best jury of my peers.
But at a minimum, I would want to bring my
federal case to Tennessee where I live. What they do,
and this will happen with future Democrat administrations, is they
have a rigged jury pool in DC that will basically
stand up for anything they want to do. So long
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or Donald Trump should be able to remove the case
to Florida, where he lives. Now, you should be charged
if you're charged with a federal crime, in my opinion,
you should be able to remove that federal charge to
your home state or your home jurisdiction. It would make
things way fairer going forward. It would mean, hey, we're
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not going to charge Clay Travis in Washington, d C.
We're going to have to prosecute him in his home
state of Tennessee. Maybe in his home county of Williamson County.
By the way, I really like that jury of my
peers here. That's fair. Komey is going to have a
rig jury in his favor, He's probably going to have
a rig judge in his favor, and I think he's
not going to get convicted. I'm just telling you not
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because I think he didn't do something wrong, because I
think the procedural mechanisms surrounding him are going to protect
him from the consequences of his likely actions.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
I think all of that is act and true. I
agree with all that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I would just say it's worth bringing the charge anyway,
got to start somewhere, So I think it's a I
think I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And it's a big deal to get the indictment given
where this forum is. So, Lindsey Halligan and the individuals
involved deserve a great deal of credit for being able
to accomplish this.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
There's something there's something called deterrence prosecution, where you do
something that sends a message to other people. Now you
would hope that actually really all prosecutions have some deterrent effect,
but in this case, yeah, if you're going to work
in the FBI. You better not play games to try
to jam people up because you don't like their politics,
or else you might be the one facing charges. That's
an important even beyond comy and the deep state in Trump,
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that's an important lesson in general for those entrusted with power.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
All right.
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Speaker 2 (17:26):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Got a
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We'll come and hit them up. Actually here in just
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I'm not sure exactly where he is, but he's going
to be probably almost certainly, in my always humble opinion,
the next governor of the great State of Florida, he
is Byron Donald's. He joins us now. The last time
you came on with US, Congressman, it was to discuss
your incredible history as a fantastic cracker barrel waiter, which
(19:16):
people will well remember. I gotta ask you a question,
Buck was asking me. I know you're a big sports fan.
President Trump is at the Ryder Cup. Can you golf?
Are you any good at golf at all? Do you
even attempt it? I have an awful golf shot. I
love pretty much every sport, but I don't know. Are
you paying attention to the Ryder Cup? Have you gotten
out on the golf course? How would you assess your game?
Speaker 7 (19:38):
I sank and drink transfused here. I enjoy myself. Actually,
I just don't really can't count the strokes.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, well join the club. So you are with us. Now,
we got a potential shutdown going on in in the Congress.
We'll get to that, but I wanted to start with
this because Buck now lives in Miami. He's potentially gonna
be your constitution. I've got a place in North Florida.
I love it and the culture of Florida. You're in
South Florida. You got into this thing because you looked
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around and just said, man, we're making a lot of
bad decisions. I saw the story about Trump potentially getting
his presidential library in Miami, and I thought about you
in that context, because you, I think, are representative of
the transformation that we have seen in the state of
Florida over the last decade. For people who don't know,
I think maybe sharing your story of how you ended
(20:28):
up doing what you're doing and why you want to
be the next governor of Florida would be a good
jumping off point. Using that library as a point of
a demarcation.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Well, I mean before twenty ten, I was a registered Democrat.
I started getting interested in politics through the two thousand
and eight financial collapse. My career was financial services. That's
where my career started, and I was I had to do
research for my company in order to keep one of
our investors in the company. Came across Congress and I
(21:00):
was like, what the hell is this mess? These people
don't know what they're talking about. They actually actually kept
sound quite dumb, and I just started paying attention to politics,
started reading articles, started reading about books on political philosophy.
Found out I was actually quite conservative, and and so
you know, when it was when I was, you know,
in the tea Party movement locally in Naples, Florida, in
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the tea Party movement, and I'm getting ready for the
mid term elections. I looked at my voter registration. I
was like, why am I still registered like a Democrat?
I don't think like one. I'm very conservative. So I
switched parties after that. Locally, I got asked to run
for office. Did not think that was ever going to
be on my personal thinko card of what I was
(21:42):
going to do with my life. And so then so
then what I decided to do was, you know, jump
in and see what happened. I was an activist out
of my my local tea party area, worked hard. Really
just was trying to do the best uh to represent
conservative values as I believe that and as I decided
to follow the conservative movement. And then before you know it,
(22:05):
I'm in a state house. Then I got elected to Congress,
and here we go, and.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Now you're running for governor in my home state of Florida.
Congress and Donalds, which has honestly been on a hot streak.
It's been going very well. I've been very pleased with
the governance in my state since I moved a few
years ago. What are some of the top things that
you would want to do if you become governor? I
have to ask because I'm curious for me. But we
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also have a huge Florida audience. You know, twenty one
million people live in the great state of Florida, So
it's a substantial it's a big gig. It's a big job.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Well, first is you know, when it comes to the
cost of living at Florida Insurance, we you know, we've
the governor has done some great work and Governor Desantrus
done a great job as our governor, but we still
have more work to do in trying to stabilize our
insurance market for Floridians. When it comes to property taxes,
our homeowners need reform. That's just the way it is.
They need to reform. They need a relief from local
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property taxes. When it comes to our the future of
our economy, We're going to be the financial capital of
the world in a decade. We're gonna bring a lot
of manufacturing and defense and aerospace and tech companies and
jobs to our state because Cape Canaveral is doing all
of the launches. But I'll tell you the biggest question
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I get no matter where I am in Florida is
are you going to keep us going on the conservative
trajectory that we're on? Are we going to continue to
be the free state of Florida? And my answer to
the people of Florida is a resounding yes. I'm a
conservative out of the Tea Party movement. I'm a House
Freedom Caucus member. I have one of the most conservative
voting records in the country and also in the state
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of Florida. And whether it's law and order, whether it's
backing our police, making sure it woke and DEI is
not in our schools and doctrinated our kids having common
sense economic policies that allow people to just you know,
chase their dreams here in Florida. That's what I'm about.
That's where the state is going to continue to be,
and we're just going to take Florida to a whole
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other level.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
We're talking to Byron Donald's next governor of the state
of Florida. Byron, you're a dad like both of us are.
And I know you knew Charlie Kirk. Well, where were
you when you heard about the assassination? What was your
relationship like with Charlie and what do you think the
legacy of his activism should be as we all go forward.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I was in my office in Washington. I was actually
in the middle of a meeting. My comms director called
me out, which he almost never does, so I would.
I was like, oh, what's happening, And you know, he
showed me the video and honestly, I just doubled over.
I doubled over. It was It was painful to watch,
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and you know, you try to do your best to
kind of stay on track and take care of your business.
And and then the news started coming across that uh that
that Charlie had had had died from that assassin's bullet.
He was he was special man. He's one of one.
I know. We were planning on doing like campus tours
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throughout Florida over the next year, something that we were
we were we had had conversations about uh, his his
his team and my team. We're we're trying to work
through that. But on a broader level, we Charlie Kirk.
He has changed the political fabric in this country for conservatism,
and he did it facing his dream of bringing young
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people into the political debate of what conservative policy actually is,
what Western civilization is, how great that is, and why
your dale Christian values are the value set that allow
people to thrive and be successful. And I don't think
we would be in a position we are right now,
not just a Republican Party, but the conservative movement without
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Charlie Kirk. Like he's going to be missed and he's
not going to be replaced.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Speaking to Congressman Donald's out of Florida and a congressman,
I did want to get you to weigh in on
this if I could.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
We tend to take a somewhat.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Cynical view I think of shut down negotiations. Can you
just give us some insight onto this whole situation. If
there's anything that's important that's an issue as you see it,
what is it and where is all this going?
Speaker 7 (26:27):
The way I look at it, Chuck Schumer doesn't want
to look like he's being bulliefed. He's telling you straight.
When Chuck Schumer worked with President Trump to keep the
government open, he took a lot of grief from the
radicals in his party. And you know, I think if
the government shuts down, it's because he is going to
bend the need to the radicals and a Democrat party.
(26:48):
I mean, look, Donald Trump has delivered on the agenda
that he promised the American people. The Democrats were soundly
rejected last November. Elections do have consequences, and so if
Chuck Schumer wants to shut down the government, to have
a Schumer shutdown, it's simply because he wants the radical
left policies that the American people rejected to be funded
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by Donald Trump and executed by Donald Trump. And that's
not going to happen period, which everybody knows it.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
We're talking about Aron Donalds. You're a big sports fan.
You're running for governor of Florida next week. I know,
it's a week out, Miami is traveling to Florida State.
Your Seminoles have bounced back after a disastrous game, and
I got to tell you, I think the last time
we had you on, I was telling you I went
to the Alabama Florida State game. People were phenomenal, so great.
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The stadium has been renovated. It looks spectacular. What is
going to happen when those two great Florida college dynasties
historically go head to head next Saturday.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
The Knowles, you already know what's going to happen Florida State.
I was actually asked in a room in Miami and
I said, I'm taking the Knowles plus five and a half.
I said, that's my own personal line. I have no
idea what Vegas has the line at, but I got
the Knowles. I got the Knowles by five and a half.
That's what I got you.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Clay has hit three parlays in a row or what
do you call them, very well with prize picks.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I've hit three different picks in the first four weeks.
These are Thursday NFL. I'm on fire. I would have
been happy for that for the full season. In fact,
by the way, Congressman, your team is playing tonight in Charlottesville.
I don't know what part of the country you're in
right now, but FSU is on the road.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
I'm in Tampa right now.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So do you plan events around so you can try
to be able to watch games? I mean, I hear
from different guys that they try to do that. I'm
curious if you look at the schedule and you're like, hey,
maybe we can do that in the morning, maybe we
can do that in the evening. Do you try to
build around a little bit so you can keep an
eye on games.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
N me, just stay focused, man. I the schedule is set.
We just we run the gauntlet and do what we
need to do. I love my knowles, love sports in general,
but not in this time period. Running for governor. It's
of all hands on deck situation. So I'll either catch
the highlights or you know, if I'm really blessed, what
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will happen is And this is what happened with the
Alabama Florida state game. I was keynoting at dinner on
the other side of the state and they had a
you know, a pretty decent program. It was pretty long,
so you know, I pulled up you know, you know,
the the game on my phone and I sat there
at the head table and was watching the game while
I was talking to people. It was actually a lot
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of fun.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Good luck tonight and good luck next week to the Seminoles,
and we'll talk to you again soon. But keep up
the good work on the campaign as well.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
All right, take it into guys.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Thanks, it's Byron Donald's next governor of the state of Florida.
I believe we'll see what happens. And Buck just gave
me a nice tease there because three out of the
last four weeks the NFL season, four weeks. We had
the game last night the Seahawks kicked a field goal
to win to start off the weekend of act activities
in the NFL, and we won. We have won three
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of the last four weeks. Every Thursday on the show,
we're going to have some fun. We can play along together.
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Speaker 6 (31:47):
Close it up shop today on Clay and Buck and
I have.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
A fourteen hour flight ahead of you tonight to Taiwan,
looking like I have some very interesting conversations with the
representative of the Taiwanese government. I'm going over with Stephen Yates,
longtime friend of mine, Heritage Foundation scholar in residence, and
also my brother Mason and my brother Keats. So it's
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kind of like the Sexton Bros. Excellent Adventure. But we
are going to have very high level meetings those have
been confirmed at least so far, and we're going to
learn a lot about what's going on in Taiwan, both
on the national security and technology and commerce fronts, because
it's such an important part of the world right now
and one of the most fascinating geopolitical flash points in
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a range of ways that exist. So I'm looking forward
to it. I wanted to learn more about it. I've
been researching it for months in advance, and so you
know it'll be a good I'll be able to come
back and hopefully play some interviews for you guys.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
We're going to do over.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
There because this is one of the main challenges on
well in the world today on the globe, and we're
going to have some interesting stories. I think klik so
that is something I'm looking forward to it too. And
Clay will be solo next week. He's gonna be helming
the show. I'm gonna be on the other side of
the world running around getting you all ground truth and
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stories and learning cool stuff. EE podcast listener Corey wants
to weigh in kind of ties it here play it, Ay.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
I think a Clay and Buck administration would be great
because we know you guys would stay safe since you
two are almost never in the office at the same time.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I like his voice, by the way, he has got
a good radio voice there on the talkback.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Look, you're gonna be in Taiwan. I will be on.
Here's what I would say in general, I think I'm
very confident. I don't even have to say I think
I don't know that any show in America has guest
hosts less frequently than this one. Honestly, now, are we
off for Christmas, New Year's, July fourth, things like that, Yes,
(33:56):
But in terms of actual guest host we almost never
have one. And that's because one or the other of
us can almost always be here. But do you have
busy lives? And sometimes that means that we're running around
all over the place. I wanted to play this, but
we appreciate the callback and it can be the Clay
or Buck show if that makes you happy. The Colonel Jessop,
(34:21):
I think this is one of the greatest scenes in
movie history. Honestly, a few good men we were talking
about whether Komy might just I said, there's two ways
you can prove that you lied on perjury. I think
one is somebody testifies and says, hey, I know that
the perjury happened, and here's what happened. The other one
is circumstantial, and I do have to admit there is
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a third where maybe somebody can get Comy riled up
and he can go full jess Up on us. And
for those of you who remember, this is what that
standard sounded like when Jack Nicholson was on the stand
against Tom Cruise and a few good men.
Speaker 9 (34:58):
You want answers, I'm entitled.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
You want answers.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
What the truth?
Speaker 9 (35:03):
You can't handle the truth?
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Son.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
We live in a world that has walls, and those
walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Who's gonna do it?
Speaker 9 (35:11):
You, you, Lieutenant Weinberg. I have a greater responsibility than
you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you
curse the Marines. You have that luxury, You have the
luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death,
while tragic, probably saved lives, and my existence, while grotesque
(35:32):
and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the
truth because deep down in places you don't talk about
at parties, you.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Want me on that wall.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
You need me on that wall.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these
words as the backbone of a life spent defending something.
You use them as a punchline. I have neither the
time or the inclination to explain myself to a man
who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very
freedom that I provide, and then questions the.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Manner in which I provided.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
I would rather you just said thank you and went.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
On your way.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand
a post. Either way, I don't give a damn.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
What do you think you are entitled to?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Did you order the code writ I did the job?
Did you order the damn right?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
I did?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
God, that's a good scene. That is a border good
green scene.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
I think Colonel JESSP doesn't get his fair due, man.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I mean, we need rough and ready dudes out there
to keep the bad guys at bay.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
I think he got kind of a raw deal in
that movie. You're just gonna say it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Buck would have voted not guilty on JESSP.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Some breaking
news from the Jimmy Kimmel World. Legitimately, in the last
ten minutes, Saint Clair, one of the local broadcast networks
alongside of Nextstar that had refused to air the Jimmy
Kimmel Show, now says that it will return the Jimmy
(00:24):
Kimmel Show to its airwaves, meaning the huge free speech
battle over Jimmy Kimmel missing four shows has basically worked
its way through to completion.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I guess I can end my hunger strike now, Clay.
I can I can unchain myself from the front steps
of city Hall. I can I can resume life thinking
that the Constitution has not I mean, give me a break?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes, yes, you may. Indeed, the President of the United
States is on the golf course right now for the
Ryder Cup where he is hearing on the United States
men's team, which had a rough start to the day.
And basically the four matches that are underway right now
between the United States and Europe are all even with
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those being through five, through four and through three holes
right now. According to the scoreboard that I am watching.
I bet as one of our early callers was doing.
I bet that many of you are potentially listening to
us on radio while having the Ryder Cup playing. Because
I think this audience is a big golf fan audience
(01:35):
and certainly is a very pro USA audience. I wanted
to play for you, guys. Ted Cruz questions. So, obviously,
we've been talking a great deal about Komy being indicted.
We've talked about the jurisdiction under the location meaning Alexandria.
We've given Lindsay Halligan I think is her name, the
(01:58):
newly appointed US attorney who has gotten these double indictments.
We have talked about the judge in play here, we've
talked about the law in play. We have not played
for you what is it appears the audio that is
the testimony to Congress that created a perjury charge. Remember,
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and Buck, you can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
There is a five year statute of limitations for perjury charges.
We were coming up on the very end of those
that statutory window to allow charges to be brought.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I believe all federal criminal charges have a five
year statutory limit a statutory limit or statute of limitations,
unless otherwise specified. There are some that have no limitation,
but you know, no statute of limitations. But yes, five
years is the standard, and this is a low level thing,
so it's going to be five years.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Okay, So I want to play for you cut thirty two.
We think this is where the perjury charge is coming from.
This is our friend Senator Ted Cruz of Texas asking
toomy about prior testimony which we will also play for
you about leaking information during the Russia the Russia ridiculousness.
(03:13):
Here's cut thirty two. This was from a little bit
less roughly five years ago. Listen.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
On May third, twenty seventeen, in this committee, Chairman Grassley
asked you, point blank, quote have you ever been an
anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the
Trump investigation of the Clinton investigation? You responded under oath
quote never. He then asked you, quote, have you ever
authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous
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source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the
Clinton administration? You responded again under oath No. Now, as
you know, mister McCabe, who works for you as publicly
and repeatedly stated that he leaked information to the Wall
Street Journal and that you were directly aware of it
and that you directly authorized it.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Now, what McCabe is.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Saying and what you testify to this committee cannot both
be true.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
One or the other is false. Who's telling the truth.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I just can only speak to my testimony. I stand
by what the testimony you summarized that I gave in
May of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So your testimony is you've never authorized anyone to leak.
And mister mccab when if he says contrary, is not
telling the truth?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Again, I'm not going to characterize Andy's testimony, but mine
is the same today.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay, now, buck, let me also play for everyone, because
this is getting a little bit complicated. So and again,
one of the challenges with perjury charges in general is
proving knowledge of something being untrue and an intent to
directly lie. Again, you have to prove all of this,
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not that we think it happened, not that it seems
likely that it was happening. And then also producer Greg
pulled the cut from twenty seventeen which you heard the
questioning from Ted Cruz was about this is Chuck Grassley,
Iowa Senator with James Comy Listen Director Comy.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Have you ever been an anonymous source in news reports
about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Never?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Question two one, relatively related. Have you ever authorized someone
else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in
news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
No?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Has any classified information relating to President Trump or his
association associates been declassified and shared with the media, not
to my knowledge.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, buck, let's dive in here. I'll put on my
proverbial lawyer hat. I want to get your take, and
then obviously many of you can can react. I think
it's highly likely that James Comy has been an anonymous source,
and or he has authorized others to be anonymous sources.
If you asked me to set the odds or likelihood
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of that, ninety eight percent, maybe ninety nine percent. I'm
very confident that he has, based on some of these stories,
been sourced background. This gets into the complexity here. I also,
and I bet you would sign off on this. Find
it highly unlikely that any journalist is going to give
up their source and say, hey, guess what. James Comey
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was the guy who told me X that I used
to write an article about I think you would probably
sign off and say, yeah, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So, yep, they're not going to burn They're not going
to burn Comy as a source. And then you'd have
to have the government willing to put them, which they
have been willing to do in other leak investigations. I
might add, but they would have to be willing to
put that journalist in prison for contempt, for refusing to
People believe and this is something that everyone argues with
me on and they are wrong. People believe that journalists
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have a special protection under the First Amendment that is
not actually legally true. There's a kind of more of
a guideline that you don't make journalists of old sources.
But in the course of a criminal investigation, there is
no statutory protection for journalists that exists at a federal level.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
And that is just the reality.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
So this is why when there's a big leak investigation
over national security, they can be like, Okay, you're not
going to tell us the sources, We're going to lock
you up.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
There's a First Amendment tension that comes up with that,
But there is actually no legal prohibition.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
On that Judith Miller was the New York Times reporter
that actually got locked up over leaks in the past, right,
if I remember that correctly, they put her in prison
for a short period of time. Okay, so you and
I both believe it's highly unlikely that a journalist is
going to give up the source and say yeah, I
talk to James Comy. That would mean that what is
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the evidence? Right, So in order to get a conviction
for perjury, going into the nitty gritty of this case
is going to require there being some evidence. I can
tell you that I think it's highly likely, but can
you prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, as is a
standard that a jury would have to believe was the case.
The way to me that this gets proven is one,
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and this is by far the easiest. There is someone
that is going to testify against James Comy and say
I know for a fact he was a source or
he directly told me to be a source, and I
am getting some form of government protection in order to
be a witness, and I can put get him dead
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to rights on this charge because he told me the
exact opposite of what he testified to. That's point one.
That would be by far the best way to prove
this case is someone testifies and says he did it.
And I can tell you exactly how. The only other
way that I can think of, buck that they could
get this charge proven is if there were enough circumstantial
(09:12):
evidence that you could prove Hey, James Comy made because
he was using a government phone and I'm just using example,
James Comy sent emails, and we know because he was
using a government email address or some other way, there
were direct contacts with reporters. All these contacts happened, and
then a story came out that is circumstantial evidence that
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Comy was in fact having conversations with the reporters, and
he lied when he said he was not an anonymous
source and he had never authorized anyone. Can you think
of any other way they could prove this short of
James Kobe being like on the witness stand, and I
would do it again. You know that's exactly Coby.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yes, you could see Comy having something of a theatrical
flourish here at some point.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I Colonel Nathan Jessup, by the way, one of the
all time great U scenes in the history of cinema.
I think is just up on that witness stand and
a few good men, I.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Mean, the the unsung hero of the movie, because we
actually do need him on that wall. You know, I'm
just throwing that out there, like we need guys who
are badasses, who bad guys.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
That is such a great movie.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
It's a fun it's a it's a fun fun film.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Great great rewatchable too, I would I would say, Clay,
it's It's also worth noting that in the Trump era,
lying to investigators, I mean, this has been the go to.
This is what they got Papadopoulos on. This is what
they got, whether investigators or to Congress under oath. This
is what they got Papadopoulos on. He went to prison
(10:38):
for fourteen days. This is and it was a minor thing.
Proadappas didn't break any actual law, but they said he
mischaracterized his conversation with Joseph mifsud and So, who's a
London based professor.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
And so they said, well, you have to go to
prison now.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
This is They sent the whole tactical team in the
FBI tactical team in and gave had a tip off
by the way to go get Roger Stone. And you know,
they got him on obstruction and false statements.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
That was what. So they're nailing people for this stuff
in Trump world left and right.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
They got as I said, they got Bannon and Navarro
on contempt of Congress.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I mean they will.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
They Comy himself sent in FBI agents on the pretext
of a Logan Act violation, a law that has never
sent anybody in American history to prison, and it's been
around for two hundred years. So if you're going to
be on the team here as Comy was that the
most clear abuse of statute and the most kind of
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officious and hyper legalistic interpretation of law should be used
to imprison your political adversaries.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
It's gotta go both ways. It's gotta go both ways.
So if Comy, if we.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Can prove beyond a reasonable doubt Comy lied about this one,
they should absolutely convict and he should absolutely do some time.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
And that is the America we need to live in.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I agree with all that, and that's to me, if
you go into the charges themselves, that is the only
way I can see that they can be proved beyond
a reasonable doubt. Somebody going to ask.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You something about this, do you think do you think
the proof even matters. I think that the jury pool
is everything here, meaning that you know, if you get
people that think that Comy's a slippery fish and deserves
what's coming his way here, you're gonna get a conviction.
I think that's unfortunately, very unlikely. I think it's much
more like you'll have at least one person who is
hashtag resistance, probably saw her or him clay out in
(12:39):
that protest at the inauguration in the cold, purple hair
blowing in the wind, sadly yelling free Palestine. You get
one of those people on this jury, this game over,
Comy gets to walk.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Well, what you're hitting at is what I think is
ultimately why Comy's not going to get convicted. You've got
a judge that's likely to be in his favor, You've
got to jury pool that's overwhelmingly going to be in
his favor. You've got at least the mid tier circuit
court judges that may well be in his favor. And
what you're hitting at is actually I always try to
go and say, okay, this is a big issue, now,
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how do we fix it going forward? I wish more
people would get in line behind this idea. And I've
talked with senators who are very smart about the law
on this, and in Koby's defense, this is working in
his favor. The jury pool decides everything. What is a
jury of your peers? It's a really fascinating question. It's
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philosophical to me. If I were going to get charged
with a crime.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You want, you would want SEC season ticket holders to
be your jury.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Would be That would be the best jury of my peers.
But at a minimum, I would want to bring my
federal case to Tennessee where I live. What they do,
and this will happen with future Democrat administrations, is they
have a rigged jury pool in DC that will basically
stand up for anything they want to do. So long
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or Donald Trump should be able to remove the case
to Florida, where he lives. Now, you should be charged
if you're charged with a federal crime, in my opinion,
you should be able to remove that federal charge to
your home state or your home jurisdiction. It would make
things way fairer going forward. It would mean, hey, we're
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not going to charge Clay Travis in Washington, d C.
We're going to have to prosecute him in his home
state of Tennessee. Maybe in his home county of Williamson County.
By the way, I really like that jury of my
peers here. That's fair. Komey is going to have a
rig jury in his favor, He's probably going to have
a rig judge in his favor, and I think he's
not going to get convicted. I'm just telling you not
(14:49):
because I think he didn't do something wrong, because I
think the procedural mechanisms surrounding him are going to protect
him from the consequences of his likely actions.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
I think all of that is act and true. I
agree with all that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I would just say it's worth bringing the charge anyway,
got to start somewhere, So I think it's a I
think I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And it's a big deal to get the indictment given
where this forum is. So, Lindsey Halligan and the individuals
involved deserve a great deal of credit for being able
to accomplish this.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
There's something there's something called deterrence prosecution, where you do
something that sends a message to other people. Now you
would hope that actually really all prosecutions have some deterrent effect,
but in this case, yeah, if you're going to work
in the FBI. You better not play games to try
to jam people up because you don't like their politics,
or else you might be the one facing charges. That's
an important even beyond comy and the deep state in Trump,
(15:42):
that's an important lesson in general for those entrusted with power.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
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Speaker 2 (17:26):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Got a
lot of calls, a lot of talkbacks flying our way.
We'll come and hit them up. Actually here in just
a few minutes, because I just realized, Clay, we have
a very quick turn so let's just say to everybody
the amazing talkbacks, calls, emails, all that good stuff, We'll
be waiting for them on the other side of this
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We go now down. I think he may be up north.
I'm not sure exactly where he is, but he's going
to be probably almost certainly, in my always humble opinion,
the next governor of the great State of Florida, he
is Byron Donald's. He joins us now. The last time
you came on with US, Congressman, it was to discuss
your incredible history as a fantastic cracker barrel waiter, which
(19:16):
people will well remember. I gotta ask you a question,
Buck was asking me. I know you're a big sports fan.
President Trump is at the Ryder Cup. Can you golf?
Are you any good at golf at all? Do you
even attempt it? I have an awful golf shot. I
love pretty much every sport, but I don't know. Are
you paying attention to the Ryder Cup? Have you gotten
out on the golf course? How would you assess your game?
Speaker 7 (19:38):
I sank and drink transfused here. I enjoy myself. Actually,
I just don't really can't count the strokes.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, well join the club. So you are with us. Now,
we got a potential shutdown going on in in the Congress.
We'll get to that, but I wanted to start with
this because Buck now lives in Miami. He's potentially gonna
be your constitution. I've got a place in North Florida.
I love it and the culture of Florida. You're in
South Florida. You got into this thing because you looked
(20:07):
around and just said, man, we're making a lot of
bad decisions. I saw the story about Trump potentially getting
his presidential library in Miami, and I thought about you
in that context, because you, I think, are representative of
the transformation that we have seen in the state of
Florida over the last decade. For people who don't know,
I think maybe sharing your story of how you ended
(20:28):
up doing what you're doing and why you want to
be the next governor of Florida would be a good
jumping off point. Using that library as a point of
a demarcation.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Well, I mean before twenty ten, I was a registered Democrat.
I started getting interested in politics through the two thousand
and eight financial collapse. My career was financial services. That's
where my career started, and I was I had to do
research for my company in order to keep one of
our investors in the company. Came across Congress and I
(21:00):
was like, what the hell is this mess? These people
don't know what they're talking about. They actually actually kept
sound quite dumb, and I just started paying attention to politics,
started reading articles, started reading about books on political philosophy.
Found out I was actually quite conservative, and and so
you know, when it was when I was, you know,
in the tea Party movement locally in Naples, Florida, in
(21:21):
the tea Party movement, and I'm getting ready for the
mid term elections. I looked at my voter registration. I
was like, why am I still registered like a Democrat?
I don't think like one. I'm very conservative. So I
switched parties after that. Locally, I got asked to run
for office. Did not think that was ever going to
be on my personal thinko card of what I was
(21:42):
going to do with my life. And so then so
then what I decided to do was, you know, jump
in and see what happened. I was an activist out
of my my local tea party area, worked hard. Really
just was trying to do the best uh to represent
conservative values as I believe that and as I decided
to follow the conservative movement. And then before you know it,
(22:05):
I'm in a state house. Then I got elected to Congress,
and here we go, and.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Now you're running for governor in my home state of Florida.
Congress and Donalds, which has honestly been on a hot streak.
It's been going very well. I've been very pleased with
the governance in my state since I moved a few
years ago. What are some of the top things that
you would want to do if you become governor? I
have to ask because I'm curious for me. But we
(22:33):
also have a huge Florida audience. You know, twenty one
million people live in the great state of Florida, So
it's a substantial it's a big gig. It's a big job.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Well, first is you know, when it comes to the
cost of living at Florida Insurance, we you know, we've
the governor has done some great work and Governor Desantrus
done a great job as our governor, but we still
have more work to do in trying to stabilize our
insurance market for Floridians. When it comes to property taxes,
our homeowners need reform. That's just the way it is.
They need to reform. They need a relief from local
(23:05):
property taxes. When it comes to our the future of
our economy, We're going to be the financial capital of
the world in a decade. We're gonna bring a lot
of manufacturing and defense and aerospace and tech companies and
jobs to our state because Cape Canaveral is doing all
of the launches. But I'll tell you the biggest question
(23:26):
I get no matter where I am in Florida is
are you going to keep us going on the conservative
trajectory that we're on? Are we going to continue to
be the free state of Florida? And my answer to
the people of Florida is a resounding yes. I'm a
conservative out of the Tea Party movement. I'm a House
Freedom Caucus member. I have one of the most conservative
voting records in the country and also in the state
(23:48):
of Florida. And whether it's law and order, whether it's
backing our police, making sure it woke and DEI is
not in our schools and doctrinated our kids having common
sense economic policies that allow people to just you know,
chase their dreams here in Florida. That's what I'm about.
That's where the state is going to continue to be,
and we're just going to take Florida to a whole
(24:09):
other level.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
We're talking to Byron Donald's next governor of the state
of Florida. Byron, you're a dad like both of us are.
And I know you knew Charlie Kirk. Well, where were
you when you heard about the assassination? What was your
relationship like with Charlie and what do you think the
legacy of his activism should be as we all go forward.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I was in my office in Washington. I was actually
in the middle of a meeting. My comms director called
me out, which he almost never does, so I would.
I was like, oh, what's happening, And you know, he
showed me the video and honestly, I just doubled over.
I doubled over. It was It was painful to watch,
(24:55):
and you know, you try to do your best to
kind of stay on track and take care of your business.
And and then the news started coming across that uh that
that Charlie had had had died from that assassin's bullet.
He was he was special man. He's one of one.
I know. We were planning on doing like campus tours
(25:15):
throughout Florida over the next year, something that we were
we were we had had conversations about uh, his his
his team and my team. We're we're trying to work
through that. But on a broader level, we Charlie Kirk.
He has changed the political fabric in this country for conservatism,
and he did it facing his dream of bringing young
(25:37):
people into the political debate of what conservative policy actually is,
what Western civilization is, how great that is, and why
your dale Christian values are the value set that allow
people to thrive and be successful. And I don't think
we would be in a position we are right now,
not just a Republican Party, but the conservative movement without
(25:58):
Charlie Kirk. Like he's going to be missed and he's
not going to be replaced.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Speaking to Congressman Donald's out of Florida and a congressman,
I did want to get you to weigh in on
this if I could.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
We tend to take a somewhat.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Cynical view I think of shut down negotiations. Can you
just give us some insight onto this whole situation. If
there's anything that's important that's an issue as you see it,
what is it and where is all this going?
Speaker 7 (26:27):
The way I look at it, Chuck Schumer doesn't want
to look like he's being bulliefed. He's telling you straight.
When Chuck Schumer worked with President Trump to keep the
government open, he took a lot of grief from the
radicals in his party. And you know, I think if
the government shuts down, it's because he is going to
bend the need to the radicals and a Democrat party.
(26:48):
I mean, look, Donald Trump has delivered on the agenda
that he promised the American people. The Democrats were soundly
rejected last November. Elections do have consequences, and so if
Chuck Schumer wants to shut down the government, to have
a Schumer shutdown, it's simply because he wants the radical
left policies that the American people rejected to be funded
(27:08):
by Donald Trump and executed by Donald Trump. And that's
not going to happen period, which everybody knows it.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
We're talking about Aron Donalds. You're a big sports fan.
You're running for governor of Florida next week. I know,
it's a week out, Miami is traveling to Florida State.
Your Seminoles have bounced back after a disastrous game, and
I got to tell you, I think the last time
we had you on, I was telling you I went
to the Alabama Florida State game. People were phenomenal, so great.
(27:38):
The stadium has been renovated. It looks spectacular. What is
going to happen when those two great Florida college dynasties
historically go head to head next Saturday.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
The Knowles, you already know what's going to happen Florida State.
I was actually asked in a room in Miami and
I said, I'm taking the Knowles plus five and a half.
I said, that's my own personal line. I have no
idea what Vegas has the line at, but I got
the Knowles. I got the Knowles by five and a half.
That's what I got you.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Clay has hit three parlays in a row or what
do you call them, very well with prize picks.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I've hit three different picks in the first four weeks.
These are Thursday NFL. I'm on fire. I would have
been happy for that for the full season. In fact,
by the way, Congressman, your team is playing tonight in Charlottesville.
I don't know what part of the country you're in
right now, but FSU is on the road.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
I'm in Tampa right now.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So do you plan events around so you can try
to be able to watch games? I mean, I hear
from different guys that they try to do that. I'm
curious if you look at the schedule and you're like, hey,
maybe we can do that in the morning, maybe we
can do that in the evening. Do you try to
build around a little bit so you can keep an
eye on games.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
N me, just stay focused, man. I the schedule is set.
We just we run the gauntlet and do what we
need to do. I love my knowles, love sports in general,
but not in this time period. Running for governor. It's
of all hands on deck situation. So I'll either catch
the highlights or you know, if I'm really blessed, what
(29:11):
will happen is And this is what happened with the
Alabama Florida state game. I was keynoting at dinner on
the other side of the state and they had a
you know, a pretty decent program. It was pretty long,
so you know, I pulled up you know, you know,
the the game on my phone and I sat there
at the head table and was watching the game while
I was talking to people. It was actually a lot
(29:32):
of fun.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Good luck tonight and good luck next week to the Seminoles,
and we'll talk to you again soon. But keep up
the good work on the campaign as well.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
All right, take it into guys.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Thanks, it's Byron Donald's next governor of the state of Florida.
I believe we'll see what happens. And Buck just gave
me a nice tease there because three out of the
last four weeks the NFL season, four weeks. We had
the game last night the Seahawks kicked a field goal
to win to start off the weekend of act activities
in the NFL, and we won. We have won three
(30:04):
of the last four weeks. Every Thursday on the show,
we're going to have some fun. We can play along together.
I'm going to give you a pick with Price Picks.
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That's what Price Picks does. Every Thursday on the program,
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I will give you a pick. We have hit on
three out of four would be I would have been
happy hitting on three all season long, to be fair,
but it just makes things a little bit more fun.
You can play five dollars and when you do, you
get fifty dollars deposited in your account. All you have
to do is use my name Clay. That's Clay, and
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Speaker 6 (31:47):
Close it up shop today on Clay and Buck and
I have.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
A fourteen hour flight ahead of you tonight to Taiwan,
looking like I have some very interesting conversations with the
representative of the Taiwanese government. I'm going over with Stephen Yates,
longtime friend of mine, Heritage Foundation scholar in residence, and
also my brother Mason and my brother Keats. So it's
(32:12):
kind of like the Sexton Bros. Excellent Adventure. But we
are going to have very high level meetings those have
been confirmed at least so far, and we're going to
learn a lot about what's going on in Taiwan, both
on the national security and technology and commerce fronts, because
it's such an important part of the world right now
and one of the most fascinating geopolitical flash points in
(32:33):
a range of ways that exist. So I'm looking forward
to it. I wanted to learn more about it. I've
been researching it for months in advance, and so you
know it'll be a good I'll be able to come
back and hopefully play some interviews for you guys.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
We're going to do over.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
There because this is one of the main challenges on
well in the world today on the globe, and we're
going to have some interesting stories. I think klik so
that is something I'm looking forward to it too. And
Clay will be solo next week. He's gonna be helming
the show. I'm gonna be on the other side of
the world running around getting you all ground truth and
(33:09):
stories and learning cool stuff. EE podcast listener Corey wants
to weigh in kind of ties it here play it, Ay.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
I think a Clay and Buck administration would be great
because we know you guys would stay safe since you
two are almost never in the office at the same time.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I like his voice, by the way, he has got
a good radio voice there on the talkback.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Look, you're gonna be in Taiwan. I will be on.
Here's what I would say in general, I think I'm
very confident. I don't even have to say I think
I don't know that any show in America has guest
hosts less frequently than this one. Honestly, now, are we
off for Christmas, New Year's, July fourth, things like that, Yes,
(33:56):
But in terms of actual guest host we almost never
have one. And that's because one or the other of
us can almost always be here. But do you have
busy lives? And sometimes that means that we're running around
all over the place. I wanted to play this, but
we appreciate the callback and it can be the Clay
or Buck show if that makes you happy. The Colonel Jessop,
(34:21):
I think this is one of the greatest scenes in
movie history. Honestly, a few good men we were talking
about whether Komy might just I said, there's two ways
you can prove that you lied on perjury. I think
one is somebody testifies and says, hey, I know that
the perjury happened, and here's what happened. The other one
is circumstantial, and I do have to admit there is
(34:43):
a third where maybe somebody can get Comy riled up
and he can go full jess Up on us. And
for those of you who remember, this is what that
standard sounded like when Jack Nicholson was on the stand
against Tom Cruise and a few good men.
Speaker 9 (34:58):
You want answers, I'm entitled.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
You want answers.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
What the truth?
Speaker 9 (35:03):
You can't handle the truth?
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Son.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
We live in a world that has walls, and those
walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Who's gonna do it?
Speaker 9 (35:11):
You, you, Lieutenant Weinberg. I have a greater responsibility than
you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you
curse the Marines. You have that luxury, You have the
luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death,
while tragic, probably saved lives, and my existence, while grotesque
(35:32):
and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the
truth because deep down in places you don't talk about
at parties, you.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Want me on that wall.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
You need me on that wall.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these
words as the backbone of a life spent defending something.
You use them as a punchline. I have neither the
time or the inclination to explain myself to a man
who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very
freedom that I provide, and then questions the.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Manner in which I provided.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
I would rather you just said thank you and went.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
On your way.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand
a post. Either way, I don't give a damn.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
What do you think you are entitled to?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Did you order the code writ I did the job?
Did you order the damn right?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
I did?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
God, that's a good scene. That is a border good
green scene.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
I think Colonel JESSP doesn't get his fair due, man.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I mean, we need rough and ready dudes out there
to keep the bad guys at bay.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
I think he got kind of a raw deal in
that movie. You're just gonna say it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Buck would have voted not guilty on JESSP.
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