September 26, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts dive into a packed news cycle, starting with President Donald Trump’s appearance at the Ryder Cup in New York. Trump received a warm welcome from fans as he cheered on Team USA at Bethpage Black, creating a patriotic atmosphere reminiscent of the Olympics. Clay and Buck discuss Trump’s connection to the golf world, including his relationships with top players like Scottie Scheffler, and highlight the cultural significance of his presence at this major sporting event.
The hour’s biggest story centers on the indictment of former FBI Director James Comey in Northern Virginia. Clay and Buck break down the charges, which include allegations of lying under oath to Congress during the Russia collusion investigation. They analyze the legal and political implications, the challenges of securing a conviction in a heavily Democratic jurisdiction, and the broader debate over a two-tiered justice system. The hosts emphasize that while the indictment is a major development, the likelihood of a conviction remains low due to jury bias and judicial hurdles. They also credit U.S. Attorney Lindsey Halligan for pushing the case forward despite resistance from career prosecutors.
Additional topics include the potential for more indictments, the historical context of prosecuting high-profile officials, and the precedent set by previous cases involving Trump allies like Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro. Clay and Buck argue that accountability is essential to restoring faith in the rule of law, even if the process itself becomes the punishment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show coming
to you across the nation. Buck is in la I
am here in Nashville, and we are taking you into
what hopefully will be a fantastic weekend for all of you,
no matter what part of the country you are in.
President of the United States at the Ryder Cup. I
(00:21):
don't know if you follow the Ryder Cup at all, Buck,
but it is taking place in New York City area,
and we are getting smoked early by the Euros, which
is not a good start competition between the European golfers
and the American golfers.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We are down three to one.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Some of the videos of Trump flying over the golf
course of the USA Chance, it's pretty awesome, and so
I know many of you are going to be following
this throughout the course of the weekend. Farmingdale, New York.
Buck is where Bethpage Black is hosting this. It's a
public course, Beth Page one of the great golf courses
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in America, and that is where Trump is going to be.
Would not surprise me. We've got some audio of Trump
speaking as he was boarding alongside of his granddaughter Kai,
who we met. Buck up at the Trump Course in
New Jersey at Bedminster before. She was a golfer who
is a college athlete now at the University of Miami.
(01:27):
So they flew together to go to watch the tournament.
I bet a huge percentage of our audience is paying
attention here, Buck. Do you know anything about the Ryder Cup?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
No, But I want to know.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Has President Trump ever seen the famous Clay Travis swing,
because I've seen it on video.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, he has lied and said that the Clay Travis
golf swing is good, which is a sign that Trump
is actually a really nice.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
He's a great man. He's a great guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
In fact, maybe we could grab I don't think we
played it, but producer Greg I'm sure saw it. Scotti Scheffler,
who is the best golfer in the world, talked about
out what Trump is like on his golf courses and
hanging out around the golf community. What's amazing is all
the euro golfers love him too. So this is going
to be Trump and his element. That is where he
(02:13):
is right now now. He broke a couple of news
stories as he was about to board Marine one to
begin the process of flying up there this weekend. In fact,
he said that he thought they had potentially a deal
in Gaza, which would obviously be a huge deal if
we finally got a ceasefire nearly two years to the
(02:33):
day after the October seventh terror attacks from Hamas. But
President Trump, not surprisingly, the biggest story, and we're going
to dive into this in detail and we will walk
you through everything is yesterday evening news broke that James Comey,
former FBI director, had been had been indicted. And here
(02:56):
is Trump saying Coby lied. He lied a lot. Was
just a little bit earlier as he was flying to
the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Cut two.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It was about justice.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
He lied, he lied a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
But this was a very important thing. Was he could
have said, well maybe or I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
He didn't say that.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
He gave a very specific answer, and then he verified
it numerous times and he got caught. The problem that
Komy has is he got caught lying, and he was
very strong. It's not like well maybe or I don't remember,
or he gave a very specific answer because it was
a very powerful question, a very important question. And when
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he gave the answer, the only problem is he got caught.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Okay, that's cut too here's cut four buck of Trump
again saying, this is not a hard case.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
He lied. He didn't think he was going to get caught.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Cut for it's a pretty easy case because he lied.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You show my truth today.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
He lied it.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, he didn't say well, in.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
My opinion, he didn't do a lot of things that maybe.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He should have.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
But I don't think he could because he lied. That
was a very important question that he was in and
he wanted to be specific, but he didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
The only thing that.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Happened to him, he didn't think he'd get gone. That
was a very important answer, and it was very for him.
It was a very good answer if he didn't get caught,
but he got caught.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Lying to Congo.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, so charges now from northern Virginia. This is a
very blue area. We talked about this some yesterday Alexandria area.
Two different charges brought an indicted against Komy by the
grand jury. Buck, you covered this Russia mess way more
than me. What's your reaction.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Well, I think for a lot of people, the sense
is finally something has been done. Finally there could be
and I want to emphasize could there could be accountability
for the This is more than just the lies that
Comy told, because the lies were in the service of
(05:05):
the Russia collusion hoax. So the lies that Comy told,
and as Trump was hammering there, these are material lies, right,
these are lies that have meaning and significance. It's not oh,
in a three hour long FBI sit down, which, as
Clay has told you, never without a lawyer, never without
a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That that is the most whenever you're talking to.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
The FBI in the three hour long sit down, you
forgot what you had for breakfast last week, that you
would be able to argue even if it was untrue
and correct, it's immaterial. In this case, Trump has made
it clear it is quite material.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It is an.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Important issue of fact that he was lying about and
the lie was part of obstructing justice, which is why
that charge has also come to the forefront. But now
here's where we get to analyze what comes next to it.
So on the one hand, I think Clay, this this
needed to happen because there was a clear two tiered
system of justice at work and Comy I might has
(06:00):
been a pioneer or on the forefront of that, and
a lot of people are pointing out myself included that
Comy was far and away the guy who wanted Martha
Stewart prosecuted for what was really a he said she
said on a phone call with the broker about conduct
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that was not actually criminal. She did not actually do
anything illegal other than she said that they did that
he did. You know, she did say she was going
to sell or whatever it was. There was some dispute
over what was said on that phone call and the broker.
I think with the broker it was we'll say what
we want you to say, and you get to walk
clean and free.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Right, that's easy. So people realize that Kmy.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Has been using it's you know, it's US code one
zero zero one is the line to the FBI statute
or it's really lying to federal agents, but the FBI
is the one that uses it the most. This this
is something that he's been a big proponent of. So
it feels like what's good for the goose is good
for the gander. That's part one of it. The other
thing is, as we love to say on the show,
the process is the punishment, and that's important to keep
(07:06):
in mind here. The process is part of accountability. The
decision to prosecute is itself a punishment, which is why
prosecutors have such a fearsome level of power in this country,
because the decision to prosecute is usually the decision to destroy,
even if you're innocent, it's gonna cost you a ton
of money, it's going to hurt your reputation, all that stuff.
(07:28):
But now, Clay, we can get into and I know
you're going to have strong thoughts on this one. You
alluded to this.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's in Northern Virginia.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It's at the judge is I think an Obama appointee, right, Yes,
Obama appoint e judge Northern Virginia, a roughly eighty percent
Democrat jurisdiction. At all it takes is one purple haired
hashtag resistance cat lady or guy who works at the
Commerce Department or whatever to say, I'm just not letting
(08:02):
anybody who goes after Trump go to prison.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I don't care what for.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
And at worse you get, you're at either a hung
jury or an acquittal. So I want everyone's expectations to
be kept in line here. I think it's the right
move because it's what's true and what the statutes require.
But I don't know if we're gonna get to a conviction.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I'm impressed that they got a grand jury indictment. They
got two of them. They reportedly brought three. One was
struck down and not given the indictment. Two of the
three were. But what Buck just hit is the key.
I mean, this is what I've been saying, and I
understand people get upset that I even talk about it.
We're playing with a rigged justice system by being required
(08:43):
to get indictments in DC area cases that are predicated
on blue strongholds. Democrats will indict Republicans for anything. We
have a ninety five to five in Washington, DC. To
Buck's point, it's probably eighty twenty seventy five twenty five
(09:04):
in northern Virginia, and so I think there's gonna be
at least one juror who refuses to convict no matter
what the evidence shows. It wouldn't shock me, Buck if
this Obama and pointed judge finds a reason to toss
these indictments. I think you have to prepare yourself for
the fact that you are not on an even playing field.
(09:25):
From a sports analogy, you're starting off and the scoreboards
already got you down twenty one points. Before you even
snapped the ball. And I think this is the right result.
I give credit to the prosecutors.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The son in law.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Of Komi was in the Northern district of virgin Did
you see this? He resigned. The son in law is
inside of the office. I mean, this is one of
the craziest things I've ever seen. Now, I'm sure they
tried to wall him off, I would think from being
involved in investigating his father in law. But the fact
(10:03):
that this guy is employed there is a sign of
how deep the swamp is, wasn't it, Marie Comy.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He's employed in New York, in the most important federal
district there. These people's the one who messed up the
ditty case.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And then she got forced out and now I think
she's suing or something like that. These people, man, they
rig the system in so many different ways to have
their allies.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And here's what I've said. For a long time.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You've been on this, but I think the average person
has just become aware of it. Violent crime is relatively
easy to prosecute.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
In theory.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
If you run up to somebody with a gun and
you rob them, it's pretty self evident that a crime happened.
If a dead body shows up with bullet holes and
or stab wounds or something, is a pretty good sign
that a murder happened. Where these prosecutors have all their
power is I guarantee you everyone listening out there who
(11:00):
thinks that they have led an upstanding life and never
done anything wrong. If a federal prosecutor decided to investigate
you and spend a year going through every tax return
you've ever filed, and spent a year asking you to
sit down for every interview and examined every property transfer
you've ever been involved in, ever employment contract you've ever signed,
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they would find a way.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
To prosecute you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And that is where the will and the power of
the state has been marshaled. It was used against Trump,
and now we'll see if Komi can be convicted of crimes.
But spare me all the hand ringing. We told you
this when they crossed the rubicon and indicted Trump in
New York, in Georgia, in Florida, and in DC. The
(11:49):
gloves were officially off. All of that came at the
direct behest of Joe Biden. So spare me the Oh
my goodness, our republic is now being challenged. If you
didn't say a war when they came after Trump.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
It's very straightforward for me. Did he break the law?
And you know what's interesting is that there used to
be this presumption I think of, oh, well, because of
the politics involved, maybe we let this one slide. I'm
not saying I agree with that presumption. I'm just saying, oh,
the former FBI director, it's bad. It's a bad look
(12:25):
for all of us if you were to go after
somebody like that. And then they went after a former
president and current president now four times with absolute garbage prosecutions.
So they crossed the rubicon over and over. I mean,
the rubicon doesn't even exist anymore. They've erased the rubicon,
all right. They pushed so that there's no more political
question overriding a legal question, and in fact, I would
(12:49):
argue they took it even further where they fabricated a
legal issue in.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
The service of politics.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
What I'm saying here, Clay, is if Comy broke the law, laws,
the law he presided over plenty of prosecutions. Remember, he
was a US attorney previously before he was at the FBI.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
He's really a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He's not like a g man FBI guy for his career.
He was a lawyer and a very politically you know,
maneuverable one in the Justice Department and then eventually found
himself all the way at the head of the FBI.
He sent plenty of people to prison for exactly this
lying in the course of an investigation, and he would
(13:29):
have sent Donald Trump to prison for Hevin Nosway. He
was the one who orchestrated and we played that audio
for everybody yesterday, the destruction and prosecution, you know, the
career destruction and prosecution of General Michael Flynn. And he
thinks it's funny. So you know what, I think this
is funny. I think Komy should have to lawyer up.
I think it's a fair prosecution based upon the facts
(13:50):
presented in the case. And I think that we now
have to have one system of justice for all of
us to operate under. And you know, they're the ones
that pushed into the Laventi Bearrriot category. You know, the
old head of the NKVD, which people think of as
the KGB, but it was called the NKVD, who said
you show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
They did that to Trump. They fabricated crimes this is
(14:12):
Comy broke the law.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, and look, somebody broke the law for sure. Because
if you compare, and if you want to get into
the nitty gritty, and maybe we will a bit, if
you compare the testimony, I think it was Senator Ted
Cruz who really kind of went at the details here.
If you compare the testimony relating to Russia collusion about
whether or not there was any instruction to leak information, one,
(14:36):
I think it was McCabe testified, yes, there was an
instruction to leak information. Uh, and then Comy says, no,
there was no instruction. Well, both can't be telling the truth.
So someone is lying and we know there was a leak.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So how someone either one of them spending six months
in a minimum security federal federal prison or federal camp
as I think they called.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Sometimes seems like it could.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
It seems like it could be a fair outcome. Will
it happen? I think that's different. That's not very likely,
but we'll see. But there also could be other indictments,
which we should talk about here in a second.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's big news. Comy indicted. Finally, he's such a punk honestly,
I really you know that the emailer yesterday was like
buckets fired up about Comy because Claid was following the
Russia collusion thing very very closely, and the President was
retweeting a lot of my assessments of what was going
on with the Russia collusion, and Komy was an absolute
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Speaker 3 (16:30):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. Just give you
a sense of where we're going today. A lot of
things happening. We're discussing the Komy indictment that came down
in northern Virginia. We've also got a showdown in Broadview,
Illinois at an ICE facility, a bunch of left wing
hashtag resist, anti anti immigration enforcement protesters. There's been pepperballs,
(16:51):
pepper spray, all kinds of stuff deployed here. They're acting
like maniacs. Clay, we did call this, I might say,
I might want to remind every early on this was
always going to be the thing that brought the Democrats
together in opposition was deportations.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So we've expected this the whole time.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I will say they've been a little slower in their
organization against this, or a little less effective maybe than anticipated,
but this is becoming the thing that they are all
obsessed with trying to stop the government from doing and
push back on. Also, just to give you heads up, everybody,
we've got Jack Chitarelli will be with us. He is
(17:31):
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think he can win. Now that's not the same as
will and Byron Donald's Congressman.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
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Speaker 3 (17:48):
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Travis buck Sexton Show. We are talking about a ton
of different stories out there. Of course the biggest that
Comy has been indicted. And I think we need to
give a shout out to the prosecutor who actually made
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this happen. And I don't know that very many people
are talking about her at all, but Lindsey Halligan was
just installed as the US Attorney in Northern Virginia. All
of these professional prosecutors have set around and said, there's
no way, oh these cases, we can't get the prosecution done.
(19:35):
They're basically, I think, waiting for the statute of limitations
to run out and then to kind of throw up
their hands and say.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well, what could you do?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Lindsay Halligan shows up just a couple of days ago,
goes in front of an Alexandria grand jury pool this
is deep blue northern Virginia, and gets two indictments against
James Comy. After all the professional prosecutors said it couldn't happen.
She came in as Trump's choice, and she got it
(20:07):
done and buck to me a little bit. What this
continues to represent is I am so over conventional wisdom,
because conventional wisdom tends to be very low risk. It
goes ahead and accepts whatever the people who've been doing
something for a long time think. And Lindsey Halligan went
(20:31):
in front of this grand jury. For people out there
that are complaining, the grand jury indicted James Comy, not
Donald Trump, not the Department of Justice, and now we
will see whether or not they can get a conviction.
I'm skeptical because of the jury pool, and this is
my skepticism for all these cases, but I think her
success here deserves a lot of attention.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I would also remind everyone because it matters the standards
that we are supposed to apply in these situations. The
standard is just supposed to be the law and the facts, right.
It has been shifting though, And if we allow the
other side to bring prosecutions that are nonsense, and we
never bring prosecution even when there's a violation of law,
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that is an imbalance that we just can't abide as
a country. I mean, the violence that that does to
the concept of the rule of law is just going
to continue to get worse, you know, the destruction of
that concept. I would also remind everyone, whether it's the
Washington Post or CNN or any of the voices out
there that are chirping about how terrible this is right now,
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where were they when Bannon and Navarro, who were senior
White House advisors were sent to prison. Yeah, let's remember,
not just indicted, not just prosecuted, actually made to go
live in a cell for six months something like that,
whatever the time period was. They thought that was for
(21:57):
contempt of Congress, For contempt of Congress. Why wasn't that
the worst moment in American democracy, you know, in years?
Why wasn't that the destruction of norms? They love to
talk about norms. Destruction of norms means they get to
do whatever they want and we have to play by
their rules. Those are only norms that actually matter to them.
(22:19):
And this is saying enough is enough with it? I
think it absolutely. I think it's not just a good thing, Clay.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think this is a.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Necessary thing that we are seeing.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So to me, the question, now, so we got the indictments,
you have to get the indictments upheld in some way
by the Obama appointed judge that has been assigned this case.
So prepare for ample roadblocks there potentially even a way
to dismiss these charges. And then you got the jury
(22:48):
pool to deal with, which will be slanted very strongly
in Comy's favor. But the real question that I have
is can they get someone to testify to help prove
that Comy lied? That is, is there someone out there,
as this investigation is expanding, that will, under oath raise
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their right hand and say these leaks happened at the
direct order of James Comy. Because then the perjury charge
is very easy for a jury to understand. Because right
now the challenge with jury jury's applying perjury charges is
(23:33):
we know that somebody lied under oath to Congress that
is one hundred percent true because the statements that were
made both cannot be true that I have seen from
Andrew McCabe and from James Comy. So either McKay blied
or Comy lied. I don't believe there's a way that
even an artful lawyer could argue that both of those
(23:55):
comments were true. You have conflicting stories under oath having
been told. So is there going to be in this
trial that eventually emerges. Will there be an opportunity to
truly kind of come after Komy with witnesses saying he
(24:18):
lied and here are the specifics of those life That's
the question to me that that's going to emerge in
this case.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I also think if you want to know whether somebody
has any principles whatsoever in this discussion, and I mean
the public figures, democrats and pundits and everyone who's wanging,
but you can establish this is a clear litmus test. Okay,
this is as straightforward as it could be. If this person,
whoever it is, who's upset about this person's upset about
(24:46):
the Komy indictment, I want to see them absolutely apoplectic
about Trump being charged with was it thirty seven or
thirty one felonies?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I thought it was the thirty four, but they altogether
Getty City thirty four.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I think it means charges elsewhere thirty four felony charges
and using the.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Getting rid of a basic principle in prosecution, which is,
you know, if somebody is being arrested. I've explained this before,
but I know this from prosecutors that I've worked with
in the past when I was the NYPD. If somebody
has drugs okay, and you're going to charge them for
illegal drug sale, legal drug possession, and you have them
on video and they passed the crack pipe between each
other ten times, you actually charge them once for crack
(25:35):
possession and maybe once for creat You don't charge them
ten times for that right, Even though you could theoretically
make that argument, that is what they did to Trump.
They charged him for every version of the ledger that
that existed where they said he mis represented his own
internal accounting business business practices.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It is insane.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
If someone was not deeply upset at the abuse that
Alvin Bragg engaged in in New York against Trump, they
have absolutely no grounds to say anything about any principle
involved with comy, And I might add I don't think
that Trump even broke any law at all. I know
you agree with me full stop in New York, not
even close. I think Comy actually broke I believe it's alleged.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
We'll see in court. I think he broke the law.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I think he's a liar, and I think that he
lied under oath and that's illegal.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think there's also you talk about breaking the UH,
breaking the precedent, crossing the rubicon, whatever way you want
to phrase it. Comy is insignificant. They tried to put
President Trump in prison and bankrupt him for the rest
of his life. So for people out there saying, well,
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this is unbelievable, no, what would be an eye for
an eye? Justice would be Joe Biden goes out in
handcuffs and is charged in four different Red state jurisdictions
and gets his mugshot taken and sits in a courtroom
for months being tried on relatively insignificant charges. We're not
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even talking about an eye for an eye. This is
like we lost an eye and we like have given
them a hangnail, right like this is this is not
remotely equal justice in any way. And to your point, Buck,
if you were really fired up about it, then you
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would point out that.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
These are not equal situations remotely.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Comy if he has found guilty, and I want to
be very clear, we've said all along, I don't think
anyone's going to prison over this stuff of these deep
state people. That's been a shared assessment by that's remember.
That's different than I don't think they should. I do
think that Comy, if he has found I think that
if Comy broke the law, and we'll see the facts
as presented, I believe he did. So does this grand
jury or at least they think there's an off to
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bring the indictment. But I think that he should be
punished for this. But even if even if he has
punished for this, he's gonna go, it's gonna be a
very similar most likely to what you saw with Bannon
and Navarro, where you'll go to a minimum security and
he'll probably be in the seniors wing. So I don't
know if they have like tennis courts there, but you know,
he'd be there for something like six months maybe maybe
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would there even be any kind of carceral sentence based
in fairness, would there be a carceral sentence off this? Probably,
but you know, not very long. And people will say, oh,
but it's a five year statutory maximum. That's if you're
like lying about who gave you the grenades before the
terrorist attack and they can't get you on the terrorism
or they want to add it into the terrorism. They're
generally not gonna hit you with the full five I mean,
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the judge is not gonna hit you with a full
five years for something like this. And that may be
disappointing to people to hear, but Clay, I just think
to keep it in perspective. If he's found guilty, you know,
he's looking at anywhere from a zero to six month
prison sentence for this, maybe zero to a year, maybe
something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It may also have to go all the way to
the Supreme Court. Like I just I want people to
understand what to expect. You're going to be dealing with
a rigged jury pool. You're going to be dealing with
a judge that is skeptical of any Trump prosecution. You're
likely going to be if he was convicted, which I'm
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skeptical will happen, you're going to get an immediate appeal.
He's not like he's going to be taken into custody.
He will appeal. It will go to a Federal Circuit Court,
which probably will be favorable to him, and it could
go all the way to the Supreme Court before there's
any result. That's in the event of a conviction, which
(29:47):
I still think is unlikely. So if you were asking
me right now, Clay, what do you think the chances are,
what is the probability that James Comey ever is convicted
and goes to prison. Yeah, I think it's actually still
very unlikely that this guy ever goes to prison and
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is convicted.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
We'll see. We're not on that journey and we're not
the judge.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So, but the indictments have occurred, which, as you've said
for some time, buck to be fair, oftentimes the process
is the penalty, Yes, and it has certainly been the
case for a lot of Trump related prosecution. Well, that's
why I think at a minimum, there's now an understanding
that there can be a cost for people who abuse
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the system for political reasons to go after Republicans.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's really what this is. We talk about the deep state.
It's people or and not even really Republicans.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
It's more just Trump and Trump supporters, like we saw
with Bannon and Navarro and others. We'll take your calls
here in a second, and I'm sure you have a
lot of thoughts on this one, So light us up,
my friends, mark my words. We'll see a number of
headlines in the weeks ahead about the size of our
federal deficit, growing and growing. It all ties into whatever
budget comes out of the Senate with a deadline looming
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of money happen.
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Speaker 3 (32:34):
Gonna get your calls here in a second there's pretty
clear love for Trump going on at the Ryder Cup.
As claim Menen wanted you to hear it play thirty,
I would say that the the general golf audience, that
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the true devoted golf audience, probably as pro Trump as
a lot of the talk radio audience. I think you're
gonna see a lot of crossover there.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Look, I think this is awesome. Trump is sitting near
the tea box and I just shared this video. Scotty Scheffler,
best golfer in the world, walking up to the tea box,
gives a point and a fist pump at President Trump,
and then JJ Spawn, who I believe is his partner,
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does a Trump Ymca dance right behind him.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So US is trailing three to one.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
A lot of Euros talking trash, but we have started
off well with Scheffler and Spawn taking a lead in
their match.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And it's really fun even if you're not a golf person.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
This is a really cool USA It has sort of
an Olympics feel to it. USA against Europe. Every two
years Ryder Cup takes place. They alternate playing in Europe
or playing in the United States. And this is a
great golf course, perfect weather. I love the fact that
the president's there, it does feel culturally significant that everybody's
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kind of coming together around him in the golf world.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It's it's nice that you know, europe can compete with
us in something. You know, we want to give them something,
you know, this and soccer or football as they call it.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So you know, we want we want to be nice.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
We want to be nice to our neighbors across the pond.
Phil in North Carolina, By the way, I bet there's
a lot of you doing this. He is listening to
watch us while watching the Ryder Cup. That is that
is you got to have multimedia screen action going on
right now. Phil, You wanted to give us a view
(34:43):
of what Trump looks and was it looks like right
now while you're watching this.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
Is amazing, you know, seeing the President on the number
one tea out there watching them, especially when Shambeau is
you know.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
Knocking at three hundred and nine. You know, oh yeah,
everybody's out of what even though, like you said, even
if you don't like golf, you can't help. But what
you know, it's just it's a good it's it's it's
good stuff.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
It's good TV. I mean, it's no it's not there's
no politics, even though the president's there, there's no politics
involved in it.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I mean the president should want America to kick everybody's ass,
like this is what the president should be doing, right.
I mean, by the way, I think Trump next year
buck for the World Cup and then in twenty eight
at the Olympics. I don't you can criticize Trump for
a lot as obviously his critics do, being the most
pro America sports president maybe we've ever seen.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Is.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I don't see how that's a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
How that's We got America's big birthday coming up too. Yes, good,
We're just gonna We're gonna we got America number one
for a long time, my friend, So we're excited about that.
That's gonna be uh. I think a lot of fun
here we go. B. We got to talk back from
Mark and North Carolina. This is talkback BB hit it.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
A Cleyan Bucks, Mark and North Carolina. One thing about
the Komy situation is, even if they don't get a conviction,
it'll be very gratifying to bankrupt that plugger. Let him
spend all his money on defense attorneys and representing himself,
just like the Left has done to Irish side for
years and years and years.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Well, I don't I don't know what his finances are.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I have a feeling that if he sets up a GoFundMe,
a lot of hashtag resistance lives are going to pay
for his legal bills. But but I hear what you're saying, Mark,
I feel your sentiment on that one.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
But Kobe lawyers are going to give their representation to
him for free scandale.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's, unfortunately, probably what's going to happen here because Yep,
their team gets away with a lot of stuff. We'll
talk more about the ice standoff and a lot of
stuff coming up here in a second stay with us
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show coming
to you across the nation. Buck is in la I
am here in Nashville, and we are taking you into
what hopefully will be a fantastic weekend for all of you,
no matter what part of the country you are in.
President of the United States at the Ryder Cup. I
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don't know if you follow the Ryder Cup at all, Buck,
but it is taking place in New York City area,
and we are getting smoked early by the Euros, which
is not a good start competition between the European golfers
and the American golfers.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We are down three to one.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Some of the videos of Trump flying over the golf
course of the USA Chance, it's pretty awesome, and so
I know many of you are going to be following
this throughout the course of the weekend. Farmingdale, New York.
Buck is where Bethpage Black is hosting this. It's a
public course, Beth Page one of the great golf courses
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in America, and that is where Trump is going to be.
Would not surprise me. We've got some audio of Trump
speaking as he was boarding alongside of his granddaughter Kai,
who we met. Buck up at the Trump Course in
New Jersey at Bedminster before. She was a golfer who
is a college athlete now at the University of Miami.
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So they flew together to go to watch the tournament.
I bet a huge percentage of our audience is paying
attention here, Buck. Do you know anything about the Ryder Cup?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
No, But I want to know.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Has President Trump ever seen the famous Clay Travis swing,
because I've seen it on video.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, he has lied and said that the Clay Travis
golf swing is good, which is a sign that Trump
is actually a really nice.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
He's a great man. He's a great guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
In fact, maybe we could grab I don't think we
played it, but producer Greg I'm sure saw it. Scotti Scheffler,
who is the best golfer in the world, talked about
out what Trump is like on his golf courses and
hanging out around the golf community. What's amazing is all
the euro golfers love him too. So this is going
to be Trump and his element. That is where he
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is right now now. He broke a couple of news
stories as he was about to board Marine one to
begin the process of flying up there this weekend. In fact,
he said that he thought they had potentially a deal
in Gaza, which would obviously be a huge deal if
we finally got a ceasefire nearly two years to the
(02:33):
day after the October seventh terror attacks from Hamas. But
President Trump, not surprisingly, the biggest story, and we're going
to dive into this in detail and we will walk
you through everything is yesterday evening news broke that James Comey,
former FBI director, had been had been indicted. And here
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is Trump saying Coby lied. He lied a lot. Was
just a little bit earlier as he was flying to
the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Cut two.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It was about justice.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
He lied, he lied a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
But this was a very important thing. Was he could
have said, well maybe or I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
He didn't say that.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
He gave a very specific answer, and then he verified
it numerous times and he got caught. The problem that
Komy has is he got caught lying, and he was
very strong. It's not like well maybe or I don't remember,
or he gave a very specific answer because it was
a very powerful question, a very important question. And when
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he gave the answer, the only problem is he got caught.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Okay, that's cut too here's cut four buck of Trump
again saying, this is not a hard case.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
He lied. He didn't think he was going to get caught.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Cut for it's a pretty easy case because he lied.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You show my truth today.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
He lied it.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, he didn't say well, in.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
My opinion, he didn't do a lot of things that maybe.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He should have.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
But I don't think he could because he lied. That
was a very important question that he was in and
he wanted to be specific, but he didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
The only thing that.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Happened to him, he didn't think he'd get gone. That
was a very important answer, and it was very for him.
It was a very good answer if he didn't get caught,
but he got caught.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Lying to Congo.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, so charges now from northern Virginia. This is a
very blue area. We talked about this some yesterday Alexandria area.
Two different charges brought an indicted against Komy by the
grand jury. Buck, you covered this Russia mess way more
than me. What's your reaction.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Well, I think for a lot of people, the sense
is finally something has been done. Finally there could be
and I want to emphasize could there could be accountability
for the This is more than just the lies that
Comy told, because the lies were in the service of
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the Russia collusion hoax. So the lies that Comy told,
and as Trump was hammering there, these are material lies, right,
these are lies that have meaning and significance. It's not oh,
in a three hour long FBI sit down, which, as
Clay has told you, never without a lawyer, never without
a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That that is the most whenever you're talking to.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
The FBI in the three hour long sit down, you
forgot what you had for breakfast last week, that you
would be able to argue even if it was untrue
and correct, it's immaterial. In this case, Trump has made
it clear it is quite material.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It is an.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Important issue of fact that he was lying about and
the lie was part of obstructing justice, which is why
that charge has also come to the forefront. But now
here's where we get to analyze what comes next to it.
So on the one hand, I think Clay, this this
needed to happen because there was a clear two tiered
system of justice at work and Comy I might has
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been a pioneer or on the forefront of that, and
a lot of people are pointing out myself included that
Comy was far and away the guy who wanted Martha
Stewart prosecuted for what was really a he said she
said on a phone call with the broker about conduct
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that was not actually criminal. She did not actually do
anything illegal other than she said that they did that
he did. You know, she did say she was going
to sell or whatever it was. There was some dispute
over what was said on that phone call and the broker.
I think with the broker it was we'll say what
we want you to say, and you get to walk
clean and free.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Right, that's easy. So people realize that Kmy.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Has been using it's you know, it's US code one
zero zero one is the line to the FBI statute
or it's really lying to federal agents, but the FBI
is the one that uses it the most. This this
is something that he's been a big proponent of. So
it feels like what's good for the goose is good
for the gander. That's part one of it. The other
thing is, as we love to say on the show,
the process is the punishment, and that's important to keep
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in mind here. The process is part of accountability. The
decision to prosecute is itself a punishment, which is why
prosecutors have such a fearsome level of power in this country,
because the decision to prosecute is usually the decision to destroy,
even if you're innocent, it's gonna cost you a ton
of money, it's going to hurt your reputation, all that stuff.
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But now, Clay, we can get into and I know
you're going to have strong thoughts on this one. You
alluded to this.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's in Northern Virginia.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It's at the judge is I think an Obama appointee, right, Yes,
Obama appoint e judge Northern Virginia, a roughly eighty percent
Democrat jurisdiction. At all it takes is one purple haired
hashtag resistance cat lady or guy who works at the
Commerce Department or whatever to say, I'm just not letting
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anybody who goes after Trump go to prison.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I don't care what for.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
And at worse you get, you're at either a hung
jury or an acquittal. So I want everyone's expectations to
be kept in line here. I think it's the right
move because it's what's true and what the statutes require.
But I don't know if we're gonna get to a conviction.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I'm impressed that they got a grand jury indictment. They
got two of them. They reportedly brought three. One was
struck down and not given the indictment. Two of the
three were. But what Buck just hit is the key.
I mean, this is what I've been saying, and I
understand people get upset that I even talk about it.
We're playing with a rigged justice system by being required
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to get indictments in DC area cases that are predicated
on blue strongholds. Democrats will indict Republicans for anything. We
have a ninety five to five in Washington, DC. To
Buck's point, it's probably eighty twenty seventy five twenty five
(09:04):
in northern Virginia, and so I think there's gonna be
at least one juror who refuses to convict no matter
what the evidence shows. It wouldn't shock me, Buck if
this Obama and pointed judge finds a reason to toss
these indictments. I think you have to prepare yourself for
the fact that you are not on an even playing field.
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From a sports analogy, you're starting off and the scoreboards
already got you down twenty one points. Before you even
snapped the ball. And I think this is the right result.
I give credit to the prosecutors.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The son in law.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Of Komi was in the Northern district of virgin Did
you see this? He resigned. The son in law is
inside of the office. I mean, this is one of
the craziest things I've ever seen. Now, I'm sure they
tried to wall him off, I would think from being
involved in investigating his father in law. But the fact
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that this guy is employed there is a sign of
how deep the swamp is, wasn't it, Marie Comy.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He's employed in New York, in the most important federal
district there. These people's the one who messed up the
ditty case.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And then she got forced out and now I think
she's suing or something like that. These people, man, they
rig the system in so many different ways to have
their allies.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And here's what I've said. For a long time.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You've been on this, but I think the average person
has just become aware of it. Violent crime is relatively
easy to prosecute.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
In theory.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
If you run up to somebody with a gun and
you rob them, it's pretty self evident that a crime happened.
If a dead body shows up with bullet holes and
or stab wounds or something, is a pretty good sign
that a murder happened. Where these prosecutors have all their
power is I guarantee you everyone listening out there who
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thinks that they have led an upstanding life and never
done anything wrong. If a federal prosecutor decided to investigate
you and spend a year going through every tax return
you've ever filed, and spent a year asking you to
sit down for every interview and examined every property transfer
you've ever been involved in, ever employment contract you've ever signed,
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they would find a way.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
To prosecute you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And that is where the will and the power of
the state has been marshaled. It was used against Trump,
and now we'll see if Komi can be convicted of crimes.
But spare me all the hand ringing. We told you
this when they crossed the rubicon and indicted Trump in
New York, in Georgia, in Florida, and in DC. The
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gloves were officially off. All of that came at the
direct behest of Joe Biden. So spare me the Oh
my goodness, our republic is now being challenged. If you
didn't say a war when they came after Trump.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
It's very straightforward for me. Did he break the law?
And you know what's interesting is that there used to
be this presumption I think of, oh, well, because of
the politics involved, maybe we let this one slide. I'm
not saying I agree with that presumption. I'm just saying, oh,
the former FBI director, it's bad. It's a bad look
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for all of us if you were to go after
somebody like that. And then they went after a former
president and current president now four times with absolute garbage prosecutions.
So they crossed the rubicon over and over. I mean,
the rubicon doesn't even exist anymore. They've erased the rubicon,
all right. They pushed so that there's no more political
question overriding a legal question, and in fact, I would
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argue they took it even further where they fabricated a
legal issue in.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
The service of politics.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
What I'm saying here, Clay, is if Comy broke the law, laws,
the law he presided over plenty of prosecutions. Remember, he
was a US attorney previously before he was at the FBI.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
He's really a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He's not like a g man FBI guy for his career.
He was a lawyer and a very politically you know,
maneuverable one in the Justice Department and then eventually found
himself all the way at the head of the FBI.
He sent plenty of people to prison for exactly this
lying in the course of an investigation, and he would
(13:29):
have sent Donald Trump to prison for Hevin Nosway. He
was the one who orchestrated and we played that audio
for everybody yesterday, the destruction and prosecution, you know, the
career destruction and prosecution of General Michael Flynn. And he
thinks it's funny. So you know what, I think this
is funny. I think Komy should have to lawyer up.
I think it's a fair prosecution based upon the facts
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presented in the case. And I think that we now
have to have one system of justice for all of
us to operate under. And you know, they're the ones
that pushed into the Laventi Bearrriot category. You know, the
old head of the NKVD, which people think of as
the KGB, but it was called the NKVD, who said
you show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
They did that to Trump. They fabricated crimes this is
(14:12):
Comy broke the law.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, and look, somebody broke the law for sure. Because
if you compare, and if you want to get into
the nitty gritty, and maybe we will a bit, if
you compare the testimony, I think it was Senator Ted
Cruz who really kind of went at the details here.
If you compare the testimony relating to Russia collusion about
whether or not there was any instruction to leak information, one,
(14:36):
I think it was McCabe testified, yes, there was an
instruction to leak information. Uh, and then Comy says, no,
there was no instruction. Well, both can't be telling the truth.
So someone is lying and we know there was a leak.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So how someone either one of them spending six months
in a minimum security federal federal prison or federal camp
as I think they called.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Sometimes seems like it could.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
It seems like it could be a fair outcome. Will
it happen? I think that's different. That's not very likely,
but we'll see. But there also could be other indictments,
which we should talk about here in a second.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's big news. Comy indicted. Finally, he's such a punk honestly,
I really you know that the emailer yesterday was like
buckets fired up about Comy because Claid was following the
Russia collusion thing very very closely, and the President was
retweeting a lot of my assessments of what was going
on with the Russia collusion, and Komy was an absolute
dirt bag over the whole thing. All right, Look, a
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Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. Just give you
a sense of where we're going today. A lot of
things happening. We're discussing the Komy indictment that came down
in northern Virginia. We've also got a showdown in Broadview,
Illinois at an ICE facility, a bunch of left wing
hashtag resist, anti anti immigration enforcement protesters. There's been pepperballs,
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pepper spray, all kinds of stuff deployed here. They're acting
like maniacs. Clay, we did call this, I might say,
I might want to remind every early on this was
always going to be the thing that brought the Democrats
together in opposition was deportations.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So we've expected this the whole time.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I will say they've been a little slower in their
organization against this, or a little less effective maybe than anticipated,
but this is becoming the thing that they are all
obsessed with trying to stop the government from doing and
push back on. Also, just to give you heads up, everybody,
we've got Jack Chitarelli will be with us. He is
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I think he can win. I will say that I
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Travis buck Sexton Show. We are talking about a ton
of different stories out there. Of course the biggest that
Comy has been indicted. And I think we need to
give a shout out to the prosecutor who actually made
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this happen. And I don't know that very many people
are talking about her at all, but Lindsey Halligan was
just installed as the US Attorney in Northern Virginia. All
of these professional prosecutors have set around and said, there's
no way, oh these cases, we can't get the prosecution done.
(19:35):
They're basically, I think, waiting for the statute of limitations
to run out and then to kind of throw up
their hands and say.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well, what could you do?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Lindsay Halligan shows up just a couple of days ago,
goes in front of an Alexandria grand jury pool this
is deep blue northern Virginia, and gets two indictments against
James Comy. After all the professional prosecutors said it couldn't happen.
She came in as Trump's choice, and she got it
(20:07):
done and buck to me a little bit. What this
continues to represent is I am so over conventional wisdom,
because conventional wisdom tends to be very low risk. It
goes ahead and accepts whatever the people who've been doing
something for a long time think. And Lindsey Halligan went
(20:31):
in front of this grand jury. For people out there
that are complaining, the grand jury indicted James Comy, not
Donald Trump, not the Department of Justice, and now we
will see whether or not they can get a conviction.
I'm skeptical because of the jury pool, and this is
my skepticism for all these cases, but I think her
success here deserves a lot of attention.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I would also remind everyone because it matters the standards
that we are supposed to apply in these situations. The
standard is just supposed to be the law and the facts, right.
It has been shifting though, And if we allow the
other side to bring prosecutions that are nonsense, and we
never bring prosecution even when there's a violation of law,
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that is an imbalance that we just can't abide as
a country. I mean, the violence that that does to
the concept of the rule of law is just going
to continue to get worse, you know, the destruction of
that concept. I would also remind everyone, whether it's the
Washington Post or CNN or any of the voices out
there that are chirping about how terrible this is right now,
(21:35):
where were they when Bannon and Navarro, who were senior
White House advisors were sent to prison. Yeah, let's remember,
not just indicted, not just prosecuted, actually made to go
live in a cell for six months something like that,
whatever the time period was. They thought that was for
(21:57):
contempt of Congress, For contempt of Congress. Why wasn't that
the worst moment in American democracy, you know, in years?
Why wasn't that the destruction of norms? They love to
talk about norms. Destruction of norms means they get to
do whatever they want and we have to play by
their rules. Those are only norms that actually matter to them.
(22:19):
And this is saying enough is enough with it? I
think it absolutely. I think it's not just a good thing, Clay.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think this is a.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Necessary thing that we are seeing.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So to me, the question, now, so we got the indictments,
you have to get the indictments upheld in some way
by the Obama appointed judge that has been assigned this case.
So prepare for ample roadblocks there potentially even a way
to dismiss these charges. And then you got the jury
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pool to deal with, which will be slanted very strongly
in Comy's favor. But the real question that I have
is can they get someone to testify to help prove
that Comy lied? That is, is there someone out there,
as this investigation is expanding, that will, under oath raise
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their right hand and say these leaks happened at the
direct order of James Comy. Because then the perjury charge
is very easy for a jury to understand. Because right
now the challenge with jury jury's applying perjury charges is
(23:33):
we know that somebody lied under oath to Congress that
is one hundred percent true because the statements that were
made both cannot be true that I have seen from
Andrew McCabe and from James Comy. So either McKay blied
or Comy lied. I don't believe there's a way that
even an artful lawyer could argue that both of those
(23:55):
comments were true. You have conflicting stories under oath having
been told. So is there going to be in this
trial that eventually emerges. Will there be an opportunity to
truly kind of come after Komy with witnesses saying he
(24:18):
lied and here are the specifics of those life That's
the question to me that that's going to emerge in
this case.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I also think if you want to know whether somebody
has any principles whatsoever in this discussion, and I mean
the public figures, democrats and pundits and everyone who's wanging,
but you can establish this is a clear litmus test. Okay,
this is as straightforward as it could be. If this person,
whoever it is, who's upset about this person's upset about
(24:46):
the Komy indictment, I want to see them absolutely apoplectic
about Trump being charged with was it thirty seven or
thirty one felonies?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I thought it was the thirty four, but they altogether
Getty City thirty four.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I think it means charges elsewhere thirty four felony charges
and using the.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Getting rid of a basic principle in prosecution, which is,
you know, if somebody is being arrested. I've explained this before,
but I know this from prosecutors that I've worked with
in the past when I was the NYPD. If somebody
has drugs okay, and you're going to charge them for
illegal drug sale, legal drug possession, and you have them
on video and they passed the crack pipe between each
other ten times, you actually charge them once for crack
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possession and maybe once for creat You don't charge them
ten times for that right, Even though you could theoretically
make that argument, that is what they did to Trump.
They charged him for every version of the ledger that
that existed where they said he mis represented his own
internal accounting business business practices.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It is insane.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
If someone was not deeply upset at the abuse that
Alvin Bragg engaged in in New York against Trump, they
have absolutely no grounds to say anything about any principle
involved with comy, And I might add I don't think
that Trump even broke any law at all. I know
you agree with me full stop in New York, not
even close. I think Comy actually broke I believe it's alleged.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
We'll see in court. I think he broke the law.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I think he's a liar, and I think that he
lied under oath and that's illegal.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think there's also you talk about breaking the UH,
breaking the precedent, crossing the rubicon, whatever way you want
to phrase it. Comy is insignificant. They tried to put
President Trump in prison and bankrupt him for the rest
of his life. So for people out there saying, well,
(26:47):
this is unbelievable, no, what would be an eye for
an eye? Justice would be Joe Biden goes out in
handcuffs and is charged in four different Red state jurisdictions
and gets his mugshot taken and sits in a courtroom
for months being tried on relatively insignificant charges. We're not
(27:14):
even talking about an eye for an eye. This is
like we lost an eye and we like have given
them a hangnail, right like this is this is not
remotely equal justice in any way. And to your point, Buck,
if you were really fired up about it, then you
(27:34):
would point out that.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
These are not equal situations remotely.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Comy if he has found guilty, and I want to
be very clear, we've said all along, I don't think
anyone's going to prison over this stuff of these deep
state people. That's been a shared assessment by that's remember.
That's different than I don't think they should. I do
think that Comy, if he has found I think that
if Comy broke the law, and we'll see the facts
as presented, I believe he did. So does this grand
jury or at least they think there's an off to
(28:00):
bring the indictment. But I think that he should be
punished for this. But even if even if he has
punished for this, he's gonna go, it's gonna be a
very similar most likely to what you saw with Bannon
and Navarro, where you'll go to a minimum security and
he'll probably be in the seniors wing. So I don't
know if they have like tennis courts there, but you know,
he'd be there for something like six months maybe maybe
(28:23):
would there even be any kind of carceral sentence based
in fairness, would there be a carceral sentence off this? Probably,
but you know, not very long. And people will say, oh,
but it's a five year statutory maximum. That's if you're
like lying about who gave you the grenades before the
terrorist attack and they can't get you on the terrorism
or they want to add it into the terrorism. They're
generally not gonna hit you with the full five I mean,
(28:45):
the judge is not gonna hit you with a full
five years for something like this. And that may be
disappointing to people to hear, but Clay, I just think
to keep it in perspective. If he's found guilty, you know,
he's looking at anywhere from a zero to six month
prison sentence for this, maybe zero to a year, maybe
something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It may also have to go all the way to
the Supreme Court. Like I just I want people to
understand what to expect. You're going to be dealing with
a rigged jury pool. You're going to be dealing with
a judge that is skeptical of any Trump prosecution. You're
likely going to be if he was convicted, which I'm
(29:24):
skeptical will happen, you're going to get an immediate appeal.
He's not like he's going to be taken into custody.
He will appeal. It will go to a Federal Circuit Court,
which probably will be favorable to him, and it could
go all the way to the Supreme Court before there's
any result. That's in the event of a conviction, which
(29:47):
I still think is unlikely. So if you were asking
me right now, Clay, what do you think the chances are,
what is the probability that James Comey ever is convicted
and goes to prison. Yeah, I think it's actually still
very unlikely that this guy ever goes to prison and
(30:08):
is convicted.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
We'll see. We're not on that journey and we're not
the judge.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So, but the indictments have occurred, which, as you've said
for some time, buck to be fair, oftentimes the process
is the penalty, Yes, and it has certainly been the
case for a lot of Trump related prosecution. Well, that's
why I think at a minimum, there's now an understanding
that there can be a cost for people who abuse
(30:34):
the system for political reasons to go after Republicans.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's really what this is. We talk about the deep state.
It's people or and not even really Republicans.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
It's more just Trump and Trump supporters, like we saw
with Bannon and Navarro and others. We'll take your calls
here in a second, and I'm sure you have a
lot of thoughts on this one, So light us up,
my friends, mark my words. We'll see a number of
headlines in the weeks ahead about the size of our
federal deficit, growing and growing. It all ties into whatever
budget comes out of the Senate with a deadline looming
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in the future. That budget is going to mean the
printing press is going it's going to be making lots
of money happen.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
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Speaker 3 (31:08):
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Speaker 3 (32:34):
Gonna get your calls here in a second there's pretty
clear love for Trump going on at the Ryder Cup.
As claim Menen wanted you to hear it play thirty,
I would say that the the general golf audience, that
(32:58):
the true devoted golf audience, probably as pro Trump as
a lot of the talk radio audience. I think you're
gonna see a lot of crossover there.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Look, I think this is awesome. Trump is sitting near
the tea box and I just shared this video. Scotty Scheffler,
best golfer in the world, walking up to the tea box,
gives a point and a fist pump at President Trump,
and then JJ Spawn, who I believe is his partner,
(33:27):
does a Trump Ymca dance right behind him.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So US is trailing three to one.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
A lot of Euros talking trash, but we have started
off well with Scheffler and Spawn taking a lead in
their match.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And it's really fun even if you're not a golf person.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
This is a really cool USA It has sort of
an Olympics feel to it. USA against Europe. Every two
years Ryder Cup takes place. They alternate playing in Europe
or playing in the United States. And this is a
great golf course, perfect weather. I love the fact that
the president's there, it does feel culturally significant that everybody's
(34:09):
kind of coming together around him in the golf world.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It's it's nice that you know, europe can compete with
us in something. You know, we want to give them something,
you know, this and soccer or football as they call it.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So you know, we want we want to be nice.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
We want to be nice to our neighbors across the pond.
Phil in North Carolina, By the way, I bet there's
a lot of you doing this. He is listening to
watch us while watching the Ryder Cup. That is that
is you got to have multimedia screen action going on
right now. Phil, You wanted to give us a view
(34:43):
of what Trump looks and was it looks like right
now while you're watching this.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
Is amazing, you know, seeing the President on the number
one tea out there watching them, especially when Shambeau is
you know.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
Knocking at three hundred and nine. You know, oh yeah,
everybody's out of what even though, like you said, even
if you don't like golf, you can't help. But what
you know, it's just it's a good it's it's it's
good stuff.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
It's good TV. I mean, it's no it's not there's
no politics, even though the president's there, there's no politics
involved in it.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I mean the president should want America to kick everybody's ass,
like this is what the president should be doing, right.
I mean, by the way, I think Trump next year
buck for the World Cup and then in twenty eight
at the Olympics. I don't you can criticize Trump for
a lot as obviously his critics do, being the most
pro America sports president maybe we've ever seen.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Is.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I don't see how that's a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
How that's We got America's big birthday coming up too. Yes, good,
We're just gonna We're gonna we got America number one
for a long time, my friend, So we're excited about that.
That's gonna be uh. I think a lot of fun
here we go. B. We got to talk back from
Mark and North Carolina. This is talkback BB hit it.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
A Cleyan Bucks, Mark and North Carolina. One thing about
the Komy situation is, even if they don't get a conviction,
it'll be very gratifying to bankrupt that plugger. Let him
spend all his money on defense attorneys and representing himself,
just like the Left has done to Irish side for
years and years and years.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Well, I don't I don't know what his finances are.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I have a feeling that if he sets up a GoFundMe,
a lot of hashtag resistance lives are going to pay
for his legal bills. But but I hear what you're saying, Mark,
I feel your sentiment on that one.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
But Kobe lawyers are going to give their representation to
him for free scandale.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's, unfortunately, probably what's going to happen here because Yep,
their team gets away with a lot of stuff. We'll
talk more about the ice standoff and a lot of
stuff coming up here in a second stay with us
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