September 29, 2025 • 48 mins
Sarah Adams, former CIA targeter and national security analyst, exposes what could be the largest coordinated terrorist plot since 9/11.
From airline plots to Mumbai-style city sieges to community-level attacks, Adams lays out how al-Qaeda, ISIS, and allied networks have re-formed, re-trained, and infiltrated the West. She reveals:
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How terrorists are uniting through family marriages and proxy armies
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Why 12 airliners could be targeted in a single day
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The alarming truth about sleeper cells inside the U.S.
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How America’s own evacuation pipelines were exploited by terrorists
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Why intelligence agencies are failing to adapt
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Timestamps:
00:00 - The massive terror attack planned on the U.S.
02:32 - ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and other groups are joining forces
05:19 - How do we get U.S. intelligence to focus on this?
09:04 - Sleeper Cells: how they’re formed, how they get into the U.S., and where they are going in the U.S.
29:48 - How are local police reacting to this?
34:15 - What can civilians do to prepare for this?
37:08 - How can the government prepare for this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So what we know about the plot, it's very very large.
They want to do three times the size of nine
to eleven. It's very simple. They want to do another
aviation plot, but this time their intent is to take
down about a dozen airliners using suicide bombers. They want
to do. It's kind of like a siege on DC
is the best way to put it, very Bombay style.
And then the last piece.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Just recently, the counter Terrorism Center issued a warning that
said foreign terrorists are actively seeking how to engage American
and American interests all over the world, in particular in
the Homeland. On today's show, I want to welcome Sarah Adams,
who has since her her appearents on The Sean Ryan Show,
(00:42):
has had a meteoric rise in not only describing the
magnitude of what foreign terrorists or how they're training, how
they're being funded, but more importantly raising the flag, raising
the alarm that something is coming to the American shoreline.
So it is an absolute honor and privilege to welcome
(01:05):
Sarah to the show today.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Sarah, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Thanks for having me for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
All right, So just to get out of for those
who aren't aware and aren't paying attention. What is your
prediction right now? What do you think has been in planning,
has been in planning, and what is on the precipice
of taking place.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, I mean it's not a prediction if people are unaware.
We've been running human networks into al Qaeda for a
decade now. Of course it was to identify the terrists
to attack this in Benghazi, but since the fall of Kabble,
a lot of those Libyans went to Afghanistan. Right, So
the interesting part is everybody's coming back together, the bands
back together, and that's why we have the threat picture
(01:47):
we have. So what we know about the plot, it's
very very large. They want to do three times the
size of nine eleven. It's very simple. They want to
do another aviation plot, but this time they're intent is
to take down about a dozen airliners using suicide bombers.
They want to do. It's kind of like a siege
on DC is the best way to put it, very
Mumbai style. And then the last piece isis is going
(02:09):
to kind of handle this piece. They want to have
attacks where you live, work and play. These are community
level attacks, so we're talking churches, shopping, centers, hospitals, and
their focus is really on communities that have a higher
percentage of a veteran population because they want the veterans
to feel in the hometowns what they felt in Iraq
(02:29):
and Syria and Afghanistan. That's supposed to be the feel
of that piece.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Interesting, all right, And so as you've been tracking this obviously,
I mean you were former tracker yourself.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
How does how?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I mean the thing that really got me recently is
you talked about the fact about Hamza bin Laden, the
unification of all the different cells coming together. Have you
seen as a result of that marriage that took place
with Mula Omar's daughter, right?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Or is that what it was?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And is an explosion because of how many cells or
actual or how many organizations have come together and are
training now in Afghanistan and other places. Has the chatter
just exploded around the world.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, I mean a really important thing to understand is
all of these terrorists first generation. So if we talk
Bilat and Zaui, Hiries, the Libyans, it doesn't really matter, right,
all of their kids intermarried and now all their kids
are in their forties and then the grandchildren are right,
bin Laden's Omar's or Hakhani's or whatever you want to
(03:40):
call it. So first off, there seems to be a
lot of confusion still the government where they say al Qaida,
Talavan Hakani. Well, when you have the Minister of Defense
of the Taliban, he's the brother in law of Hamsa
bin Laden, and you have the Minister of Interior Strategy
in Nakhani, who's the brother in law of Kamsa min Lad,
And then your homs have been on how do you
(04:02):
put Hakani's Talvan and al Kaida separate? If they're in
you and married, they're no longer separate. So that's the
first part. They just came together by marriage. Now Hamzah
went back to an old plan as father had. It's
nuanced called Islamic Army, but the real name is like
the Islamic Resistance Council. And all this is is for
(04:23):
the last year they've been making deals with partnerships with
a number of terrorist groups and so they will share training, reseach,
so there's share funding, work on plots together. If you're
all Shabbab, you need fifty more guys to do some
certain plot, Mogidishue will provide you fifty from these other groups. Right,
it's this proxy based army is the best way to
(04:46):
put it. So now when we talk about the home
Lamp plot, all of this proxy army is coming to
support it. So even though it's Al Kaieda's plot, there's
gonna be Isis, there's gonna be HTS, there's gonna be
al Shabab, going to be j and I Am, It's
going to be all kind as of the branch is AQAPQ,
who's azon Sharia from Olivia, et cetera. So this is
(05:09):
where it gets very, very complicated. This is kind of
the new way that they have kind of innovative and grown,
and we're not ready for this.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And one of the other things that you know, you
had made a comment about the recent CTC announcement and
saying that you know, it's great to have Tulci Gabbert
and Joe Kent at the helm. There people who have
been in the fight, in particular Joe one of my
favorite human beings on the planet. But you know, when
(05:41):
you look at the previous administration and probably even in
Trump's first administration, you know, as the manipulation of ISIS
and the Syrian and the development of what's taking place there.
You have this kind of blind eye that's turned away
for it. I mean the whole thing with Legend going
(06:02):
on Sean's show and talking about US still funding you know,
the Taliban of forty million dollars a week.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And so it seems like our intelligence community has almost been,
you know, focused on something else.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
As all this has imagined. How hard is.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It to shift focus back and start putting assets in
organ or not organizations, but different units on the hunt
now in real time.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, well a lot of this happened because you know,
everybody failed to go after ISIS, and then when they
realize isis IS and the JV team they become this powerhouse.
They shifted all the resources towards that. Well, the terrorists
took advantage of that, as you can imagine, they're like, Hey,
America wants to fight ISIS, We'll fight ISIS. And that's
when we started work with the Taliban against ISIS. Now
(06:53):
we're working with Abu Mohammed al Julani against ISIS, but
we're not doing real operations. I wrote a whole fifty
page report on how the fake in Afghanistan. The same
thing's happening so far this year. We killed the head
of ISIS twice in Syria. I guess what, he's alive.
We're gonna come a third time. But so first off,
we need leaders, especially Sancom's saying yeah, we're not killing
(07:13):
who we're saying we're killing. These are ruses. Our BDA
is basically coming from terrace. We're failing until the military
and the intelligence community be honest that they're not really
getting the targets. They say, it's gonna be really hard
to fix that peace because remember they're then the people
who brief the president. So how's he gonna know that
we didn't really get the head of ISIS because he has,
(07:36):
you know, the commander of Sancom telling him. So that's
one really frustrating part. The other part is the CIA
got the assessment wrong that Hamsa Bien lawed in his death,
so they told her to President Trump and his last term,
and he announced it to the country. Well, now they
don't want to go tell Trump because he's obviously gonna
(07:57):
wipe out their whole department, which he should do. Right,
they're covering their own bucks. They're not doing what's right
for the American people. So we have a lot of
hubris in the intelligence agency. We have a lot of
people who are protecting their turf. And remember we have
this frustrating piece that they're like, we just got to
wait a few years, we wait this leader out, we
(08:17):
get another leader. Right, That's another thing to be really,
really honest about. So it's gonna be really hard to
shift to al Qaeda. It's very difficult to get anyone
to say al Kaida. I think everybody kind of took
this huge side relief when Joe Knt's title said al Qaida,
like it was like, oh my god, we haven't been
able to get anyone to sell Kida for like four years.
(08:37):
Like he brought almost like a lot of hope to
the community. But they now need to get the rest
of the IC on board, and we have not seen
that happen yet.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh that's that's disheartening.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But hopefully, I mean, I'm out of everybody out there,
I'm most optimistic with Joe and told you, I mean,
I really I think he's fought him, he's been there,
he understands, you know, the capability, and I just you know,
hopefully he'll pivot, all right. One of the things that
I think most civilians struggle with is just processing the
(09:11):
reality of that could be true, that there are not
just you know, uh, six pilots that are hiding in
different locations. And I'll tell you what, you know, I'm
really interested to see the Catherine I don't know if
you paid attention to Catherine Hendrids reporting recently about the
exposure of the Saudi people that had actually welcomed in
(09:33):
a couple of the pilots into California, supported him financially
all this, and you know that that alone is just staggering. So,
you know, in these times and as Tucker releases his
nine to eleven documentary, you're like, oh my god, is
you know what's taking place?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Wait? What is the size of this?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Look at And I think most civilians can't fathom that
or the entire process of how it takes place. So
could you walk us through, you know, one like, how
does a sleeper cell get formed?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Right, where does it get trained?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Where do they you know, how do they end up
making it into America? And just kind of walk us
through how a cell will make it to a place
all the way to where they're on standby to receive activation.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sure. I mean we'll talk present day because things have
changed just a little bit. So how it's working now
to do an external operation. If you're Al Qaida or Isis,
it really doesn't matter. You go into basically an external
operations training camp, okay, and then if you meet muster
and you're qualified and you meet the background necessary to
(10:47):
go overseas, you kind of move up and keep doing
added training and you learn different things. So obviously what
they're looking for is that you're patient, you speak good English,
you can blend in the water, you have some sort
of skiller expertise that would be like a really great cover.
So they look for people who can fit that background.
(11:10):
Its very similar to the not to eleven hijackers. You know,
when you talk about like those Saudis who took care
of them, we have to remember these nine eleven hijackers
came from wealthy families. They were educated, they knew people
within their governments. They went to school with the richest kids,
So you had to keep that in mind, that they
had personal relationships that might not be with the actual government.
(11:33):
It's because they grew up in these environments. You know,
I work Kashmir for many years well, the Kashmiri terrists
who had wealthy families all went to the same boarding schools, right,
So I'm just letting people know like that you're missing
a little bit of nuances in actually the terrorist personal
relationships with people who are always willing to help them.
As you know, it'd be like if someone reached out
(11:55):
to me from my middle school, you know, I jumped
to help them. Now, so they go through these camps.
The interesting part is first what happens if you fail
the camp? Right, Like, nobody talks about that. So if
you're in an al Qaeda camp to come to the
United States or Europe and you fail, what they do
is they move you to an asis course on province
(12:16):
camp and you get a very short training session. It's
maybe like to do stabbings or something like that, maybe
make a few IDs, and they deploy you to Europe.
The interesting thing is then Twiman takes your name, they
give it to European authorities, and European authorities look for
you to wrap you up or maybe do it the
tactic and they miss it. But it looks like the
Talleman gave it an advance, but that person was a flunky.
(12:39):
So let's ignore the flunkies. Now, if you're really good,
there's different routes you can go. So one route is
just the suicide bomber training. So suicide bomber training now
is six months. It's pretty crazy. You're on ecstasy. You
learn how to make kind of these invisible bombs, and
then you learn how to make a bunch of other IDs.
You obviously go through months first of an doctrination. It's
(13:02):
a lot. One of the biggest suicide bomber training camps
is actually at Chapman Post Base. They trained twenty five
hundred external suicide bombers at a time, so every single
one of the twenty five hundred is leaving Afghanistan. Think
about that. It's very scary now. Now, then there's other things,
and really we just call it advanced urban warfare because
(13:23):
that's what they're calling it. But it's like CQB or whatever.
Now these are more like ground assault teams, is the
best way to put it. So they go through a
variety of things. It can be driving training, they learn
to make a ton of different ITDs. Obviously, they also
are forced to learn the invisible bomb, and then a
lot of thing is movement tactics inside buildings, they assault
(13:47):
things like they practice on like complexes or they be
tend it's like a church or a school. Remember, we
left our shoot houses there, so I know in your
head you know where exactly they're practicing. Maybe too, you
can explain that to people because it's hard. People talk
about weapons left behind, but it's like, no, we left
like the best training facilities in the world and they're
(14:08):
using that. So that's kind of just your basic Hey,
your first year in terras camp.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Wow, it's almost like a selection, right, It's like your
buds or your selection or whatever it is. And then
as as you prove your worth and value, now you
move into those those more significant plot right right, and
and if if you were it's interesting there is It
almost felt like there was a hierarchy of the plots. Right.
(14:36):
There's the initial like stabbing, the killing someone with, ramming
into people with cars like in New Orleans, you know,
real basic stuff. And then you have the bomber, which
you know is singular in nature. But then there's that
that October seventh Mumbai assault team that works in conjunction,
(14:56):
and that that for me is just like whoa, that's
a another level that you know they're going to be
able to get really the impact that they're hoping that
they received from those types of those types of operations
for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, that's actually a very interesting point the selection process
because I can just talk to a few things we've seen.
In some cases, we've really seen Hamza bin Lad and
choose someone, and in those cases it was mostly a
second generation Terrists. His father was famous, so he gets
chosen for an operation. We have one recently like that,
he's leading one in the Middle East. His father was
(15:32):
a very very famous Egyptian. Okay, so that's one category.
There's another category when you prove yourself right on the
battle and you know you're proving grounds, and then you
move up and what they're doing in that case, you
kind of move up into like an elite class and
you get to meet with scifol Audel who is the
mastermind of this home landplot. You know, very famous Egyptian
(15:55):
former military there, and those are kind of that smaller
group more important. Then there is the piece where people
get to meet with homs of bin Laden. So there
has some that got to sit down and be blessed
by Hams of bin Laden. We don't know if it's
like they have set commanders leading on the ground here
and then obviously, as we know, the airplane suicide bombers
(16:18):
have always been special. Osama bin Laden put out his
video the Man Mahattan raid video when he went in
and actually chose the twenties, so those have always been
a top priority. So did Hams actually meet with them.
We're not sure that which pockets, but he did sit
down and bless some of them. So there are hierarchies.
Now that's just on the al Qaeda side. There are
(16:39):
also hierarchies on the ISIS side, so ices for the
whole lamp thought the best ones are chosen by a
guy named Rajab Salaudin, so he's basically the military general
for ISIS course on province. But some of them get
to meet Sana Uhagafari, the head of it, who blesses them.
(17:00):
Now this is the people who train in Afghanistan. There's
also training in Syria, okay, and in Syria has similar pipelines,
so there's an ISIS pipeline and you basically fall under
isis's military commission. It was Abdolamaki. If you don't know him,
we killed him in a strike in March in Iraq,
so he was re running that piece of the training pipeline.
(17:23):
And he was actually connected to Jager in New Orleans,
so he ran job or cell from Syria. Now, then
there's a whole nother pipeline under Abu Muhammad al Juani,
the new president of Syria, and they're kind of like
a lot of the HTS camps and so they go
through HTS's pipeline and then they're deployed essentially from Syria
(17:44):
but HTS. So it's really interesting. There's a number of
senior leaders at the top, and the plot is approved
by a Kaida Shura and Isi Shura. We've never had
a plot like this ever to exist.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That were that were in they were communicating in conjunction.
It's almost like the aspiration of the Grand Caliphate is emerging, right,
and you know, and you know, my assumption is that
it takes place and out of that place becomes this
ultra organization, right that that is all encompassing, and then
(18:21):
that can be the rallying kai for the next revelue
or the next into fodder or whatever you wanted to
crawl it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, I'm going to talk quick about that. Though, so
they have a real caliphate plan now in their minds.
They're moving very aggressively on this. Obviously, Iran as the
first country in the caliphate, even though it's not exactly
affected by them. Afghanistans a second. Syria is the third.
They're hoping to make Somalia the fourth, and then they're
(18:48):
looking Bokina, Fassa, Libya, and then they have a plan
just like we saw in Syria, for Iraq. So when
they trained for the Syrian Blitzkreen, they changed for an
Iraqi one. So that is an upcoming plot. So to
the terrorists that are winning and they have pieces of
their caliphate back and they believe they're going to aggressively
take more countries. And even if we don't think they will,
(19:10):
they do. And we have to remember they're using that
and they're excited by that.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well all right, all right, how do they once they've
getten chosen, they've gone through selection, they've gotten their training,
how do they make it to the United States? Because
I think a lot of people right now the borders
are shut down, we've cut it all off. We're good
to go. There's no way they can slip through. We're
good what it's military on the southern border. How do
they get through? How do they get over here?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, I mean there's a number of ways. There's obviously
rat lines. It could be from Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, and
we've even seen them from o Libya. So the Terrists
kind of go to one of them and they launch off.
Most of the time they launch off and they go
to Latin America and come up. Sometimes they launch off
and they get official visa, so they might go through
(19:58):
Europe and maybe be Fujisa at first, and then they
might come through Canada and come in legally. Or we
have had terrists evacuated by the US government who are
non afghan as Afghans in the process. So we also
evacuated a number of these Al kaidan Isis figures ourselves.
Our government put them on our military basis and Rodenstein
(20:21):
and Cutter and brought them here, which is going to
blow the American people's minds when we have dead terraces
and they ended up being shepherded out by the US government.
So there's multiple processes they prefer they can legal. Now.
Another thing is is we always focus on Afghanistan, but
remember there is also a special immigrant visa pipeline for
(20:44):
Iraq Syria. I mean sorry, ISIS has also used the
Iraq pipeline and sent ISIS members through that sieve process.
So it's not just the Afghanistan process that's compromised, it
is also the Iraqi. Now I just want to explain
to you how this compromise works really quick. Okay, So
if you're if you're a normal person, is pretty cheap,
(21:07):
maybe eight or nine thousand. You can get like fake
HR letters that let's just pay Bogroom because everyone to
talk about it. You worked at Bogroom for a year
as a cook. They fill it out, they submit it,
So it's pretty cheap if you have no criminal background.
If you're ISIS, it costs kind of between like ten
thousand and nineteen thousand. You pay for this paperwork to
(21:29):
come here. If you're all kind of costs between twenty
and forty thousand. You get fake documents, but they're real
and you can come into a legal US process. That's
just fine. Now here's why it's so easy to exploit.
For some reason, the US government made the standard that
you only had to work one year. Ever for our
government in Afghanistan. Think about that when I was in
(21:51):
the CIA for many years, I went overseas to this
one location and we had a really great squared away local.
After twenty years, CIA gave him a SIV, which makes sense.
Long time, long vetted, long started. Yep, these year ones.
People don't know them, they're not vetted. You could have
any real job in these military basis. So it's such
(22:14):
a broken system. There's also a lot of corruption. There's
Americans who took money to write fake letters, et cetera.
All these contract companies who are based in afghanistano taking
money from Al Kaida and ISIS. So it's a real
compromise pipeline.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Wow, all right, so they make it over through all
those variables once they get in. I mean, and I
think you know, we there was just a hearing on
Capitol Hill, I think last week or the week before
where you know, a congress person identified that out of
the four hundred thousand missing kids, they've identified like two
(22:48):
hundred and twenty thousand of them, and forty plus thousand
of those have been trafficked, have been sold into slex
Savory and all this, and you know, but that's after
the fact, taking it, you know, trying to track it down.
What is the process they get here and then where
are they released?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Where do they go?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
How do they begin to integrate or assimilate into you know,
that covert action.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, so at least what we've seen from the few
cell members. So we found about fifteen terrats so far
in the United States, So I'm basing on a small population,
but they all are involved in the upcoming plot. Okay,
so they haven't done an action yet. Now, what we've
learned from them is most of them did come illegally
in the last few years. So they come in and
then they go to a certain point, right, certain cities
(23:38):
have kind of like a welcome point, is the best
way to put it. And they go there and they
already have a job lined up. They already kind of
join their cell, and they have the community involved around
them as part of their Terra cell. So they don't
come here as a one off and have to make
it work. It's all set and ready for them. Now
(23:59):
when they come here, they have lots of times a
regular cover job. But a lot of people call them sleepers, thinking, oh,
they're just waiting until the date of the attack, but no,
they all have something they're supposed to do. Some like
their job is really to make IDs, like this guy
just makes pipe bombs, this guy just makes sticky bombs,
(24:20):
this guy just makes suicide. That's and that's their job
for months and months and months. There's chemicals. Unfortunately, there's
a chemical piece of this. Your job is in the
chemical lab. There's surveillance, counter surveillance, a lot of intelligence collection.
Member they want to go into veteran communities. Well, a
piece of the part of going into veteran communities there
(24:42):
are certain vedorans they are interested in targeting, so as
you can imagine, they need to get their pattern of life,
those type of things. So there is a lot of
work going on by sleeper cells, and some would have
been in country two years doing these processes, and so
people need to understand and they're well employed, they're active. Now.
(25:03):
Another piece that's really fascinating is some of them have
a job to where they have to build the cell
within the United States. They have to bring in more
cell members recruited on your soil, which is very very fascinating.
But also those should be easier to find because they're
actually making outreach, they're retreating people, et cetera. So so
(25:24):
just to let you know, the sleepers are very very active.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I think you know when we
see those those ideas of you know, dearborn Michigan that
have you know, the streets are covered with midday call
and they block the streets and you're like, all right,
then it's it's the local moss. That's the traditional place.
Is that if if you're if you're in quote sleeper cell,
(25:50):
are you going to facilitate or utilize the cultural pockets
within these different cities or will they be in the
will will they be unique? Will they be you know,
the one or two people living in an apartment you know,
in some random city away from those larger pockets of
(26:10):
what you know, American citizens will be like, oh well
that's a unique pocket of foreigners.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
That is what it is.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Right Like in Portland, there's a large contingency of Somali's
right wherever it is. Is that what they utilize to
help foster not only the financing but the relationships for
to be employed. Also the ability the outreach community outreach
to bring people in.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Is that or is it ultra covert, low profile stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, First off, they wanted to do the complete opposite
of nine to eleven. So they're not going to put
like three people in a small town. And then people
like these guys are strange, they're not fitting in, they're
not joining anything, they don't seem to be getting jobs.
Like that's over right. So they are all in communities
where they make sense that it doesn't mean they're and
fully Muslim communities or housing of course. So because remember
(27:04):
these are gonna be very westernize people. So this isn't
gonna be someone who comes off as a very extreme
as lawness, right, that's not his cover. So he's gonna
be able to hang out to New Orleans just fine. Right,
So people have to stop focusing on they're in these
Muslim only communities, like that's like just not how it's working.
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Especially the ethnicity that I know here, like the Somalie
I know that's here is not in one of the
smaller communities, right, So you know just from the backgrounds,
and again it's not like different terrorist groups are go
in certain ways. They really are intermixed. And what I
feel a lot of location is based on is the
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skill set of what they're in charge of doing or
what piece of the plot is there. So you know,
so if they're gonna be the vbid guy, they got
to go into the part of the country where they're
going to make the vbids. Obviously, if you're the suicide bomber,
let's say you're the suicide bomb in aviation, would you're
going to go near where the first pub airport is
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right for your operation? So those so it's based more
on the operational strategy. And then you're in a community.
Of course, the where you blend in and makes sense.
Now there aren't little tells that have always been there.
So one thing al Qaeda always does is they're still stripped.
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So if you have let's say it's a safe house,
it's just gonna be an apartment. And there's rules involved
in the safe house. One is women never come to
the safe house, right, so you got these young, good looking,
educated guys, a few of them always go to this
building and never bring a woman, never bring a child.
It's kind of a tell. I don't know. If you
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read over the Manchester Manual, no, I don't know, if
it's like fifteen or twenty years ago. It got pulled
out of an AUF and Britain. You can get a
really good copy of it a line because that was
using a court case. But there's a piece in there
that actually walks through what they look for when they
get a safe house. But it's really just an apartment,
and it's actually really interested and fascinating. I think people
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should read it because they still look for like their
safe houses the same way. And there are some unique
features like especially two doors, like you know, which in
a lot of apartments at one door. So there's also
weird things like you can overlook courtyards or pools they
don't want you to see women and all these type
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of things. So there's all these interesting things. They have
also multiple documents, right, multiple identities. So I do think
people should look at that because you can learn a
lot from it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's the type of thing I think people are hungry for, right,
They're trying to figure out, all right, if because you
put in any small municipality and certainly the counterterear and
budgets have you know, shrunk into almost nil. And you know,
I mean I remember in the heyday when I was
at Blackwater, you know, we'd had three thousand people a
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day training at the you know, at the facility. You know,
and most of those were small community law enforcement agencies
because they got some federal funding to be on the
look well that's not happening right now. So how is
the message being received in your mind or what you
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know on the smaller municipalities, the smaller agencies. The place
that has you know, two hundred police officers and you
know a small SWAT contingency is you know, is what
are they doing in preparation for all of this?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I've met a lot of law
enforcement organizations since January, very large ones, the very small ones.
And it's more than based on if they had like
some go getters and apartment that like press their leadership
and like this is important. We got to get briefed
on this. There's a lot of SWAT teams who don't
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have the funding to do it, but they're changing their tactics.
Obviously I'm not going to explain how so Terear Stone now,
but anyway, so it's really a lot of go getters. Unfortunately,
we started off, as you can imagine a lot of
people in law envoys and being like, well is it
going to happen in my town? What I like to
say is well, what percentages of your town with veterans? Right, Like,
that's where you start. Also, if it's going to go
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on for multiple days, potentially, well are you going to
get called to backup? All far away? Are these cities
from you? Now, we don't know a lot of the cities.
We know some of the state's isis is focused on
and then the AQAP video has a few cities, but
that doesn't mean that's where they'll be. But there's a
lot of focus on Pennsylvania in this threat a lot.
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If you are in any city in Pennsylvania, you should
be preparing and in my opinion, right so, there are
certain states so that have been very forward landing. Florida's
very forward landing, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas, Tennessee. We've been
up to New York multiple times. So luckily there are pockets.
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The problem is, until mister Kent put out this memo
this week, a lot of them didn't have anything to
stand on when they went to try to sell, hey,
we need to move funds to do this kind of training.
So a lot of them were doing like, we need
to do different kinds of active shooter training and this
is really smart. So what they did, and I think
people should do this. If you don't get support, you say,
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we need to do an active shooter drill, but we
need to do an active shooter drill with three shooters
hitting two locations. Right, very simple change, but it does
help with this threat and you don't have to say
it's kind of tears and really and unfortunately, right, you
got to play other ruses to sometimes get money or
the funding or the support. But we've seen a lot
of people do really creative things.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
That's fascinating to me because you know, that's the one
plot that I think is.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
The one that resonates with me.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's it's the one I'll never forget when Mumbai took place,
you know, not that you know, I'm praising the tech,
but the tactics in that were the best I had
ever seen. Right, they were just ten guys where you
can havoc holding the city hostage for fit well with
fifty eight hours or whatever it was. And if imagine
that with you know, in in you know, a smaller
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city of two hundred and fifty thousand, three hundred thousand people,
you know, a smaller police force, you know, not a
lot of big government entities that can respond.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It's it's like that's the thing that is really the
most alarming. In particular, if people like you're saying, had
a year, year and a half of training in preparation,
then you know, access to the other things because a
lot of things I think people are like, well, where
are they going to get their guns?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
How are they going to get their tactical equipment?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, right, it's like how are they going to get
their tactical equipment? Where are they training? You know, and
it's like it's just not realistic. And that's what I
hear a lot of people and read a lot of
people as I you know, comb through your trolls when
you make your posts and you know and want to
go after I'm like, you don't know what you're talking about,
but uh, you know, that's what I think people are
(34:14):
kind of, uh what I'm concerned of. And and so
how do people in their local community, civilians, what what
can they do to kind of be heads up, head
on a swivel, increase their essay and then if one
of those incidents does take place and they're engaged in
around it, you know, how do you how do you
(34:35):
I mean Obviously, I think all the veterans that they're
going to be going. Most veterans that I know, at
least my friends all carry you know. Now I know
a lot of dudes that are actually carrying backpacks with
you know, suppressed automatic or some automatic you know, long
guns in there. You know, what is the deconfliction and
what is the reaction that people can have in those
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searches in those situations.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, I mean, your hope is to not be on
the X or in the location where it happens. What
I like to try to tell people is you focuses
on your family emergency plan and being home and protecting
your family or at least protecting your neighborhood. Right, have
a neighborhood group, watch the block off the neighborhood if
something is happening, and then your police handle the city
(35:20):
in the roads, your sheriff hand or you know, the
main highways, et cetera. Now, as you said, we're gonna
have a lot of people rolling on this attack if
it happens, We're just going to because we've had war
fighters training for twenty years. So what we've been at
least trying to do in Florida and we're pushing in
other states is have those meetings and conversations now, especially
(35:44):
with the veteran organizations in your town. Know who they are,
because we are a problem with the terrorists might dress
as law enforcement. So now when you see this veteran
you've never met, you know, well trained, well armed, he
looks like law enforcement. Is he an attacker? Is? There's
gonna be a lot of confusion in this. So we're
telling everyone make all the relationships you can now, right,
(36:06):
bring community into it now because you're in a better spot. Also,
as you can imagine, let's say they hit the hospital, right,
and then they do a second round. Well, now you
can't use the hospital. Well, did you have conversation with
the local schools, the local churches. Did you stop by
pile medical supplies elsewhere? Do you even have the blood
(36:27):
levels where they need to be at the blood banks
in your town. There are very very simple things that
will help in any emergency that people are not doing,
and we need to get citizens involved. Right. I get
my house in order, I get my kids school in order,
I get my church in order, and then I work
with the mayor, the police chief or to get the
community in order and I think that's the best way
(36:48):
we at least handle how we protect and defend ourselves. Now,
when something like this happens the scale it's going to
happen at it's going to be like Not eleven. You
didn't know what Not eleven was, but you went the
hell home And that's what we really that's what you
need to really focus on. The majority of people are
going to need to keep themselves and the people they
love safe.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Awesome, that's fantastic. All right, last question.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You know, obviously we saw the President of Syria on
stage with General Petraeus recently, and the acknowledgment of of
of this is is for me in particular, I know
for you it's I've I've listened to you. I know
all my friends are just an absolute, you know, astonished
(37:32):
disbelief that this is taking place. What, in your opinion,
is the right way for the government to begin to
acknowledge this is real and then and then you know,
to really what what would you like to see with
(37:52):
them working with in and around the IC community, but
all the other government agent, Homeland Bureau all that, what
would you like to start to see take place?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, I mean our government first has to be honest,
right al Kaeda is going to do this massive attack,
then they have to cut off the pieces of a misinformation.
That's obviously the information coming from the Taliban and the
information coming from the new Seyan government. This is now
tainted intelligence and we need to handle it as such.
Even if you take it from them, fine, but it
(38:25):
needs to be marked. So if I'm an analyst in
DIA and I read the CIA report, it says on
it the CIA got it from the Talband, because that
is not happening right then, So you have to do that.
You also have to have the real discussion the terrorists. No,
we collect plenty of things over the phones. Most of
them got captured on their phones, so they actually sit
and do planning and strategy meetings for what they're going
(38:47):
to say on the phone, so NSA can collect it.
So we have to stop saying NSA information is coroboration, right,
because that is also tainted. We have to be very honest.
It's hard for people in the intelligence community to admit
fooled by terrorists, but we have been. Doctor Aiman al Zaarihir.
He fooled us with the coast bombing. He fooled us
with Hams and sad Bin Laden like there are real
(39:09):
fashionable things where the intelligence community failed. Now this is
just another one. So we first started to be honest
about that. I do think with a Tulsa and Joe
at the Helm, I do think they don't have the
hoot Hubris, and I think they'll care more to protect Americans.
And now they've got to get to everybody else on board.
So that's one thing. The other part is the only
way to authority terrorist attack is you got to be
(39:30):
proactive against it, which we haven't been. One way to
be proactive against it is you've got to go after
the masterminds. I know, no one's gonna put Julani in
the ex right now, so unfortunately we're gonna have to
ignore probably the Seria piece of it, which I don't
think we should be doing. But we should be going
after sciphil Auto. There's no argument siphial Auto is the
most one of the most wanted terrafts in the world.
(39:51):
And you know Sencom is actually ignoring information being provided
to them on his location. They are not actively targeting him,
which is crazy. He's the mastermind of this plot. Obviously,
they have to be honest about the big Laden sons
start collecting on them. Think about it. They have not
collected against Sabin Laden since two thousand and nine. That
is an intelligence failure like you could never believe. So
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there has to be a lot of honesty. You got
to say, hey, we mess this up. Let's get it
straight out and SAIDCOM has not been honest about the
ISIS fight. I don't know if we need this Secretary
of War to say, hey, I'm gonna do some sort
of counterintelligence review, just like the CIA chief needs to
do a counter intelligence view of the Afghanistan department. But
something is wrong now. Is it just bad reporting? Is
(40:37):
it these relationships with the terrorists, et cetera. I don't
know what it is, but we have to find the
root causes of some of these problems. Lastly, we brought
in all these terrorists. We got to move them out faster.
We have to prioritize at least their nationalities. Right now,
I'm not saying block everybody from those countries, but we
(40:59):
know there's certain passports at a compromise Afghanistan, Syria, Turkey, Libya.
I'm sorry, every single person with one of those passports
that'll be in rooms all week long being questioned because
I don't even know if there's people in Afghan passports
are Afghan, well, I want to Afghan sitting in front
of them, talking to them. You know, let's do some
in the hands betting.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
From your lips, Sarah, from your lips to his ears. Man,
I just hope people are listening to you. I know
your audience has certainly grown. I just can't thank you
enough for having the courage. Obviously it doesn't always put
you in the safest space, but I know you're protected,
I know you're smart, and I know you're watching your
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six all the time. I just can't thank you enough
for spending time with my audience and me. God bless
you for what you're doing. And just keep it up.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Thank you, Thanks, thanks for having me. What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I am here to talk to you about out fear.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
You know, one of the things that I hear so
much when I travel the country, speaking to thousands of
people every year is people want to always know was
I afraid? And they asked me, you know, were you
afraid in combat? Were you afraid in training? And you know,
I'm here to tell you that those are really intimate questions.
(42:22):
Because the answer is holl yes, I was afraid. I
was afraid all the time. Imagine every single day you
go into work is a day you could die. Well,
you know, it took me a long time to get
comfortable with being able to answer that question.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Sincerely.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I used to blow it off in some snapper head responsible, like, well,
have you ever had a three hundred pound boat on
your head and stayed awake for five straight days with
some instructor screaming in your face all day?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
And they'd be like no, And I go, well, you'd
be afraid, do right?
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And I kind of blew it off in this kind
of snapper headway, as I said. And the reality is
people actually want to know. With the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
with an eminent terrorist attack threat, and on the homeland
with financial chaos on the precipice of thirty eight trillion
(43:13):
dollars in debt, you know, there's a lot of fear
going on around the world and most importantly in our country.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
And so what I've done, in conjunction with.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
The past thirty five years of me really trying to explore,
experience and research everything that I could I could within
the human condition to try and understand what drives success
and what ultimately creates failures with teams or individuals. The
first place that I wanted to focus on was embracing fear,
(43:47):
because there's no such thing as fearless. Right. If you
hear somebody tell you, Oh, that person's fearless, you know
what I say to that, it doesn't exist. Right, You've
got a limbic system. We've got these three beautiful components
of your brain called the amigndalism hip campus. Those produce
stress hormones. Therefore, you have fear plus. Fear has been
(44:09):
integrated into our consciousness since well since consciousness began. Right,
Fear is ultimately the thing that enables you to either survive, thrive,
or die. It's just built into the whole capacity.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
On top of.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
That, you learn fear from the moment you're born. You
learn fear. Don't touch the burning stove, don't cross the
street without looking twice, don't go around the freak who's
trying to you know, suck you into the van.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We have all these things in our lives that are
integrated into how we process fear, how we experience fear,
how we feel fear, how fear affects us in our
daily routines. Well, after a considerable amount of time spent
trying to understand fear itself, I spent about two years
(44:58):
really digging into fear. I came up with the idea
that fear cannot be defeated obviously, so what do we
have to do. We have to embrace fear. So after
that two years of dedicated research and exploration into the
mindset behind fear, I began to develop what I call
my Embrace Fear Seminar. Now I've been teaching this for
(45:22):
well over ten years since I left the Central Intelligence Agency,
where I was both an instructor and operational and I
began teaching.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
The seminar well a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I finally decided to put it into a form for you. So,
if you have the inclination, if you have any little
bit of fear in your life, or even a lot
of fear that seems to impede your ambition, or distract
your performance, or really overwhelm your ability to operate in
(45:55):
a functional way in your life, then what I'm asking
you to do is that leap of faith and go
visit David Rutherford dot com look under courses and sign
up for your Embrace Fear course. Now, in this course,
there are five modules or I call missions. First is
to search for the truth of your fear. Right, that's
(46:17):
first thing, and within that there are four sub steps
that you do there. Now, this course is designed to
be take place over a four month period where each
subsetet takes one week to focus on right. And these
are journal based entries or activities that we provoke you
to do. You know, Mission number one is search for
(46:38):
the truth of your fear. Mission number two except the
reality of your fear. Mission number three is to retrain
your brain to deal with your fear. Mission number four
is to test yourself in your fear every day. And
then mission number five, the ultimate mission of all is
to be able to live with courage as with fear
(46:58):
in your life. Now, I spent a tremendous amount of time.
I've given this course multiple times to multiple organizations, and
I've worked extensively with individual professional athletes, CEOs, businesses, other
operators and people that were struggling with this profound impediment
(47:18):
on developing your performance capabilities, which is fear itself. So again,
if you want an excellent way to learn to live
with that fear, not only with strength, but also being
able to manipulate that perception of it in such a
way that it actually drives you forward. It becomes a
(47:40):
motivational tool for you to accomplish your dreams, to achieve
the things you've always wanted to achieve by learning to
embrace your fear. So go to David Rutherford dot com,
look under courses and find the Embrace Fear course. Take
five months or five weeks to accomplish this, and I
promise you at the end of this you will be
(48:02):
able to embrace your fear and go after the ultimate
dream in your life.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Thank you U yah
Speaker 1 (48:12):
M.
So what we know about the plot, it's very very large.
They want to do three times the size of nine
to eleven. It's very simple. They want to do another
aviation plot, but this time their intent is to take
down about a dozen airliners using suicide bombers. They want
to do. It's kind of like a siege on DC
is the best way to put it, very Bombay style.
And then the last piece.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Just recently, the counter Terrorism Center issued a warning that
said foreign terrorists are actively seeking how to engage American
and American interests all over the world, in particular in
the Homeland. On today's show, I want to welcome Sarah Adams,
who has since her her appearents on The Sean Ryan Show,
(00:42):
has had a meteoric rise in not only describing the
magnitude of what foreign terrorists or how they're training, how
they're being funded, but more importantly raising the flag, raising
the alarm that something is coming to the American shoreline.
So it is an absolute honor and privilege to welcome
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Sarah to the show today.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Sarah, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Thanks for having me for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
All right, So just to get out of for those
who aren't aware and aren't paying attention. What is your
prediction right now? What do you think has been in planning,
has been in planning, and what is on the precipice
of taking place.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, I mean it's not a prediction if people are unaware.
We've been running human networks into al Qaeda for a
decade now. Of course it was to identify the terrists
to attack this in Benghazi, but since the fall of Kabble,
a lot of those Libyans went to Afghanistan. Right, So
the interesting part is everybody's coming back together, the bands
back together, and that's why we have the threat picture
(01:47):
we have. So what we know about the plot, it's
very very large. They want to do three times the
size of nine eleven. It's very simple. They want to
do another aviation plot, but this time they're intent is
to take down about a dozen airliners using suicide bombers.
They want to do. It's kind of like a siege
on DC is the best way to put it, very
Mumbai style. And then the last piece isis is going
(02:09):
to kind of handle this piece. They want to have
attacks where you live, work and play. These are community
level attacks, so we're talking churches, shopping, centers, hospitals, and
their focus is really on communities that have a higher
percentage of a veteran population because they want the veterans
to feel in the hometowns what they felt in Iraq
(02:29):
and Syria and Afghanistan. That's supposed to be the feel
of that piece.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Interesting, all right, And so as you've been tracking this obviously,
I mean you were former tracker yourself.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
How does how?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I mean the thing that really got me recently is
you talked about the fact about Hamza bin Laden, the
unification of all the different cells coming together. Have you
seen as a result of that marriage that took place
with Mula Omar's daughter, right?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Or is that what it was?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And is an explosion because of how many cells or
actual or how many organizations have come together and are
training now in Afghanistan and other places. Has the chatter
just exploded around the world.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, I mean a really important thing to understand is
all of these terrorists first generation. So if we talk
Bilat and Zaui, Hiries, the Libyans, it doesn't really matter, right,
all of their kids intermarried and now all their kids
are in their forties and then the grandchildren are right,
bin Laden's Omar's or Hakhani's or whatever you want to
(03:40):
call it. So first off, there seems to be a
lot of confusion still the government where they say al Qaida,
Talavan Hakani. Well, when you have the Minister of Defense
of the Taliban, he's the brother in law of Hamsa
bin Laden, and you have the Minister of Interior Strategy
in Nakhani, who's the brother in law of Kamsa min Lad,
And then your homs have been on how do you
(04:02):
put Hakani's Talvan and al Kaida separate? If they're in
you and married, they're no longer separate. So that's the
first part. They just came together by marriage. Now Hamzah
went back to an old plan as father had. It's
nuanced called Islamic Army, but the real name is like
the Islamic Resistance Council. And all this is is for
(04:23):
the last year they've been making deals with partnerships with
a number of terrorist groups and so they will share training, reseach,
so there's share funding, work on plots together. If you're
all Shabbab, you need fifty more guys to do some
certain plot, Mogidishue will provide you fifty from these other groups. Right,
it's this proxy based army is the best way to
(04:46):
put it. So now when we talk about the home
Lamp plot, all of this proxy army is coming to
support it. So even though it's Al Kaieda's plot, there's
gonna be Isis, there's gonna be HTS, there's gonna be
al Shabab, going to be j and I Am, It's
going to be all kind as of the branch is AQAPQ,
who's azon Sharia from Olivia, et cetera. So this is
(05:09):
where it gets very, very complicated. This is kind of
the new way that they have kind of innovative and grown,
and we're not ready for this.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And one of the other things that you know, you
had made a comment about the recent CTC announcement and
saying that you know, it's great to have Tulci Gabbert
and Joe Kent at the helm. There people who have
been in the fight, in particular Joe one of my
favorite human beings on the planet. But you know, when
(05:41):
you look at the previous administration and probably even in
Trump's first administration, you know, as the manipulation of ISIS
and the Syrian and the development of what's taking place there.
You have this kind of blind eye that's turned away
for it. I mean the whole thing with Legend going
(06:02):
on Sean's show and talking about US still funding you know,
the Taliban of forty million dollars a week.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And so it seems like our intelligence community has almost been,
you know, focused on something else.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
As all this has imagined. How hard is.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It to shift focus back and start putting assets in
organ or not organizations, but different units on the hunt
now in real time.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, well a lot of this happened because you know,
everybody failed to go after ISIS, and then when they
realize isis IS and the JV team they become this powerhouse.
They shifted all the resources towards that. Well, the terrorists
took advantage of that, as you can imagine, they're like, Hey,
America wants to fight ISIS, We'll fight ISIS. And that's
when we started work with the Taliban against ISIS. Now
(06:53):
we're working with Abu Mohammed al Julani against ISIS, but
we're not doing real operations. I wrote a whole fifty
page report on how the fake in Afghanistan. The same
thing's happening so far this year. We killed the head
of ISIS twice in Syria. I guess what, he's alive.
We're gonna come a third time. But so first off,
we need leaders, especially Sancom's saying yeah, we're not killing
(07:13):
who we're saying we're killing. These are ruses. Our BDA
is basically coming from terrace. We're failing until the military
and the intelligence community be honest that they're not really
getting the targets. They say, it's gonna be really hard
to fix that peace because remember they're then the people
who brief the president. So how's he gonna know that
we didn't really get the head of ISIS because he has,
(07:36):
you know, the commander of Sancom telling him. So that's
one really frustrating part. The other part is the CIA
got the assessment wrong that Hamsa Bien lawed in his death,
so they told her to President Trump and his last term,
and he announced it to the country. Well, now they
don't want to go tell Trump because he's obviously gonna
(07:57):
wipe out their whole department, which he should do. Right,
they're covering their own bucks. They're not doing what's right
for the American people. So we have a lot of
hubris in the intelligence agency. We have a lot of
people who are protecting their turf. And remember we have
this frustrating piece that they're like, we just got to
wait a few years, we wait this leader out, we
(08:17):
get another leader. Right, That's another thing to be really,
really honest about. So it's gonna be really hard to
shift to al Qaeda. It's very difficult to get anyone
to say al Kaida. I think everybody kind of took
this huge side relief when Joe Knt's title said al Qaida,
like it was like, oh my god, we haven't been
able to get anyone to sell Kida for like four years.
(08:37):
Like he brought almost like a lot of hope to
the community. But they now need to get the rest
of the IC on board, and we have not seen
that happen yet.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh that's that's disheartening.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But hopefully, I mean, I'm out of everybody out there,
I'm most optimistic with Joe and told you, I mean,
I really I think he's fought him, he's been there,
he understands, you know, the capability, and I just you know,
hopefully he'll pivot, all right. One of the things that
I think most civilians struggle with is just processing the
(09:11):
reality of that could be true, that there are not
just you know, uh, six pilots that are hiding in
different locations. And I'll tell you what, you know, I'm
really interested to see the Catherine I don't know if
you paid attention to Catherine Hendrids reporting recently about the
exposure of the Saudi people that had actually welcomed in
(09:33):
a couple of the pilots into California, supported him financially
all this, and you know that that alone is just staggering. So,
you know, in these times and as Tucker releases his
nine to eleven documentary, you're like, oh my god, is
you know what's taking place?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Wait? What is the size of this?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Look at And I think most civilians can't fathom that
or the entire process of how it takes place. So
could you walk us through, you know, one like, how
does a sleeper cell get formed?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Right, where does it get trained?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Where do they you know, how do they end up
making it into America? And just kind of walk us
through how a cell will make it to a place
all the way to where they're on standby to receive activation.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sure. I mean we'll talk present day because things have
changed just a little bit. So how it's working now
to do an external operation. If you're Al Qaida or Isis,
it really doesn't matter. You go into basically an external
operations training camp, okay, and then if you meet muster
and you're qualified and you meet the background necessary to
(10:47):
go overseas, you kind of move up and keep doing
added training and you learn different things. So obviously what
they're looking for is that you're patient, you speak good English,
you can blend in the water, you have some sort
of skiller expertise that would be like a really great cover.
So they look for people who can fit that background.
(11:10):
Its very similar to the not to eleven hijackers. You know,
when you talk about like those Saudis who took care
of them, we have to remember these nine eleven hijackers
came from wealthy families. They were educated, they knew people
within their governments. They went to school with the richest kids,
So you had to keep that in mind, that they
had personal relationships that might not be with the actual government.
(11:33):
It's because they grew up in these environments. You know,
I work Kashmir for many years well, the Kashmiri terrists
who had wealthy families all went to the same boarding schools, right,
So I'm just letting people know like that you're missing
a little bit of nuances in actually the terrorist personal
relationships with people who are always willing to help them.
As you know, it'd be like if someone reached out
(11:55):
to me from my middle school, you know, I jumped
to help them. Now, so they go through these camps.
The interesting part is first what happens if you fail
the camp? Right, Like, nobody talks about that. So if
you're in an al Qaeda camp to come to the
United States or Europe and you fail, what they do
is they move you to an asis course on province
(12:16):
camp and you get a very short training session. It's
maybe like to do stabbings or something like that, maybe
make a few IDs, and they deploy you to Europe.
The interesting thing is then Twiman takes your name, they
give it to European authorities, and European authorities look for
you to wrap you up or maybe do it the
tactic and they miss it. But it looks like the
Talleman gave it an advance, but that person was a flunky.
(12:39):
So let's ignore the flunkies. Now, if you're really good,
there's different routes you can go. So one route is
just the suicide bomber training. So suicide bomber training now
is six months. It's pretty crazy. You're on ecstasy. You
learn how to make kind of these invisible bombs, and
then you learn how to make a bunch of other IDs.
You obviously go through months first of an doctrination. It's
(13:02):
a lot. One of the biggest suicide bomber training camps
is actually at Chapman Post Base. They trained twenty five
hundred external suicide bombers at a time, so every single
one of the twenty five hundred is leaving Afghanistan. Think
about that. It's very scary now. Now, then there's other things,
and really we just call it advanced urban warfare because
(13:23):
that's what they're calling it. But it's like CQB or whatever.
Now these are more like ground assault teams, is the
best way to put it. So they go through a
variety of things. It can be driving training, they learn
to make a ton of different ITDs. Obviously, they also
are forced to learn the invisible bomb, and then a
lot of thing is movement tactics inside buildings, they assault
(13:47):
things like they practice on like complexes or they be
tend it's like a church or a school. Remember, we
left our shoot houses there, so I know in your
head you know where exactly they're practicing. Maybe too, you
can explain that to people because it's hard. People talk
about weapons left behind, but it's like, no, we left
like the best training facilities in the world and they're
(14:08):
using that. So that's kind of just your basic Hey,
your first year in terras camp.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Wow, it's almost like a selection, right, It's like your
buds or your selection or whatever it is. And then
as as you prove your worth and value, now you
move into those those more significant plot right right, and
and if if you were it's interesting there is It
almost felt like there was a hierarchy of the plots. Right.
(14:36):
There's the initial like stabbing, the killing someone with, ramming
into people with cars like in New Orleans, you know,
real basic stuff. And then you have the bomber, which
you know is singular in nature. But then there's that
that October seventh Mumbai assault team that works in conjunction,
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and that that for me is just like whoa, that's
a another level that you know they're going to be
able to get really the impact that they're hoping that
they received from those types of those types of operations
for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, that's actually a very interesting point the selection process
because I can just talk to a few things we've seen.
In some cases, we've really seen Hamza bin Lad and
choose someone, and in those cases it was mostly a
second generation Terrists. His father was famous, so he gets
chosen for an operation. We have one recently like that,
he's leading one in the Middle East. His father was
(15:32):
a very very famous Egyptian. Okay, so that's one category.
There's another category when you prove yourself right on the
battle and you know you're proving grounds, and then you
move up and what they're doing in that case, you
kind of move up into like an elite class and
you get to meet with scifol Audel who is the
mastermind of this home landplot. You know, very famous Egyptian
(15:55):
former military there, and those are kind of that smaller
group more important. Then there is the piece where people
get to meet with homs of bin Laden. So there
has some that got to sit down and be blessed
by Hams of bin Laden. We don't know if it's
like they have set commanders leading on the ground here
and then obviously, as we know, the airplane suicide bombers
(16:18):
have always been special. Osama bin Laden put out his
video the Man Mahattan raid video when he went in
and actually chose the twenties, so those have always been
a top priority. So did Hams actually meet with them.
We're not sure that which pockets, but he did sit
down and bless some of them. So there are hierarchies.
Now that's just on the al Qaeda side. There are
(16:39):
also hierarchies on the ISIS side, so ices for the
whole lamp thought the best ones are chosen by a
guy named Rajab Salaudin, so he's basically the military general
for ISIS course on province. But some of them get
to meet Sana Uhagafari, the head of it, who blesses them.
(17:00):
Now this is the people who train in Afghanistan. There's
also training in Syria, okay, and in Syria has similar pipelines,
so there's an ISIS pipeline and you basically fall under
isis's military commission. It was Abdolamaki. If you don't know him,
we killed him in a strike in March in Iraq,
so he was re running that piece of the training pipeline.
(17:23):
And he was actually connected to Jager in New Orleans,
so he ran job or cell from Syria. Now, then
there's a whole nother pipeline under Abu Muhammad al Juani,
the new president of Syria, and they're kind of like
a lot of the HTS camps and so they go
through HTS's pipeline and then they're deployed essentially from Syria
(17:44):
but HTS. So it's really interesting. There's a number of
senior leaders at the top, and the plot is approved
by a Kaida Shura and Isi Shura. We've never had
a plot like this ever to exist.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That were that were in they were communicating in conjunction.
It's almost like the aspiration of the Grand Caliphate is emerging, right,
and you know, and you know, my assumption is that
it takes place and out of that place becomes this
ultra organization, right that that is all encompassing, and then
(18:21):
that can be the rallying kai for the next revelue
or the next into fodder or whatever you wanted to
crawl it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, I'm going to talk quick about that. Though, so
they have a real caliphate plan now in their minds.
They're moving very aggressively on this. Obviously, Iran as the
first country in the caliphate, even though it's not exactly
affected by them. Afghanistans a second. Syria is the third.
They're hoping to make Somalia the fourth, and then they're
(18:48):
looking Bokina, Fassa, Libya, and then they have a plan
just like we saw in Syria, for Iraq. So when
they trained for the Syrian Blitzkreen, they changed for an
Iraqi one. So that is an upcoming plot. So to
the terrorists that are winning and they have pieces of
their caliphate back and they believe they're going to aggressively
take more countries. And even if we don't think they will,
(19:10):
they do. And we have to remember they're using that
and they're excited by that.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well all right, all right, how do they once they've
getten chosen, they've gone through selection, they've gotten their training,
how do they make it to the United States? Because
I think a lot of people right now the borders
are shut down, we've cut it all off. We're good
to go. There's no way they can slip through. We're
good what it's military on the southern border. How do
they get through? How do they get over here?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, I mean there's a number of ways. There's obviously
rat lines. It could be from Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, and
we've even seen them from o Libya. So the Terrists
kind of go to one of them and they launch off.
Most of the time they launch off and they go
to Latin America and come up. Sometimes they launch off
and they get official visa, so they might go through
(19:58):
Europe and maybe be Fujisa at first, and then they
might come through Canada and come in legally. Or we
have had terrists evacuated by the US government who are
non afghan as Afghans in the process. So we also
evacuated a number of these Al kaidan Isis figures ourselves.
Our government put them on our military basis and Rodenstein
(20:21):
and Cutter and brought them here, which is going to
blow the American people's minds when we have dead terraces
and they ended up being shepherded out by the US government.
So there's multiple processes they prefer they can legal. Now.
Another thing is is we always focus on Afghanistan, but
remember there is also a special immigrant visa pipeline for
(20:44):
Iraq Syria. I mean sorry, ISIS has also used the
Iraq pipeline and sent ISIS members through that sieve process.
So it's not just the Afghanistan process that's compromised, it
is also the Iraqi. Now I just want to explain
to you how this compromise works really quick. Okay, So
if you're if you're a normal person, is pretty cheap,
(21:07):
maybe eight or nine thousand. You can get like fake
HR letters that let's just pay Bogroom because everyone to
talk about it. You worked at Bogroom for a year
as a cook. They fill it out, they submit it,
So it's pretty cheap if you have no criminal background.
If you're ISIS, it costs kind of between like ten
thousand and nineteen thousand. You pay for this paperwork to
(21:29):
come here. If you're all kind of costs between twenty
and forty thousand. You get fake documents, but they're real
and you can come into a legal US process. That's
just fine. Now here's why it's so easy to exploit.
For some reason, the US government made the standard that
you only had to work one year. Ever for our
government in Afghanistan. Think about that when I was in
(21:51):
the CIA for many years, I went overseas to this
one location and we had a really great squared away local.
After twenty years, CIA gave him a SIV, which makes sense.
Long time, long vetted, long started. Yep, these year ones.
People don't know them, they're not vetted. You could have
any real job in these military basis. So it's such
(22:14):
a broken system. There's also a lot of corruption. There's
Americans who took money to write fake letters, et cetera.
All these contract companies who are based in afghanistano taking
money from Al Kaida and ISIS. So it's a real
compromise pipeline.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Wow, all right, so they make it over through all
those variables once they get in. I mean, and I
think you know, we there was just a hearing on
Capitol Hill, I think last week or the week before
where you know, a congress person identified that out of
the four hundred thousand missing kids, they've identified like two
(22:48):
hundred and twenty thousand of them, and forty plus thousand
of those have been trafficked, have been sold into slex
Savory and all this, and you know, but that's after
the fact, taking it, you know, trying to track it down.
What is the process they get here and then where
are they released?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Where do they go?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
How do they begin to integrate or assimilate into you know,
that covert action.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, so at least what we've seen from the few
cell members. So we found about fifteen terrats so far
in the United States, So I'm basing on a small population,
but they all are involved in the upcoming plot. Okay,
so they haven't done an action yet. Now, what we've
learned from them is most of them did come illegally
in the last few years. So they come in and
then they go to a certain point, right, certain cities
(23:38):
have kind of like a welcome point, is the best
way to put it. And they go there and they
already have a job lined up. They already kind of
join their cell, and they have the community involved around
them as part of their Terra cell. So they don't
come here as a one off and have to make
it work. It's all set and ready for them. Now
(23:59):
when they come here, they have lots of times a
regular cover job. But a lot of people call them sleepers, thinking, oh,
they're just waiting until the date of the attack, but no,
they all have something they're supposed to do. Some like
their job is really to make IDs, like this guy
just makes pipe bombs, this guy just makes sticky bombs,
(24:20):
this guy just makes suicide. That's and that's their job
for months and months and months. There's chemicals. Unfortunately, there's
a chemical piece of this. Your job is in the
chemical lab. There's surveillance, counter surveillance, a lot of intelligence collection.
Member they want to go into veteran communities. Well, a
piece of the part of going into veteran communities there
(24:42):
are certain vedorans they are interested in targeting, so as
you can imagine, they need to get their pattern of life,
those type of things. So there is a lot of
work going on by sleeper cells, and some would have
been in country two years doing these processes, and so
people need to understand and they're well employed, they're active. Now.
(25:03):
Another piece that's really fascinating is some of them have
a job to where they have to build the cell
within the United States. They have to bring in more
cell members recruited on your soil, which is very very fascinating.
But also those should be easier to find because they're
actually making outreach, they're retreating people, et cetera. So so
(25:24):
just to let you know, the sleepers are very very active.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I think you know when we
see those those ideas of you know, dearborn Michigan that
have you know, the streets are covered with midday call
and they block the streets and you're like, all right,
then it's it's the local moss. That's the traditional place.
Is that if if you're if you're in quote sleeper cell,
(25:50):
are you going to facilitate or utilize the cultural pockets
within these different cities or will they be in the
will will they be unique? Will they be you know,
the one or two people living in an apartment you know,
in some random city away from those larger pockets of
(26:10):
what you know, American citizens will be like, oh well
that's a unique pocket of foreigners.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
That is what it is.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Right Like in Portland, there's a large contingency of Somali's
right wherever it is. Is that what they utilize to
help foster not only the financing but the relationships for
to be employed. Also the ability the outreach community outreach
to bring people in.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Is that or is it ultra covert, low profile stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, First off, they wanted to do the complete opposite
of nine to eleven. So they're not going to put
like three people in a small town. And then people
like these guys are strange, they're not fitting in, they're
not joining anything, they don't seem to be getting jobs.
Like that's over right. So they are all in communities
where they make sense that it doesn't mean they're and
fully Muslim communities or housing of course. So because remember
(27:04):
these are gonna be very westernize people. So this isn't
gonna be someone who comes off as a very extreme
as lawness, right, that's not his cover. So he's gonna
be able to hang out to New Orleans just fine. Right,
So people have to stop focusing on they're in these
Muslim only communities, like that's like just not how it's working.
(27:27):
Especially the ethnicity that I know here, like the Somalie
I know that's here is not in one of the
smaller communities, right, So you know just from the backgrounds,
and again it's not like different terrorist groups are go
in certain ways. They really are intermixed. And what I
feel a lot of location is based on is the
(27:48):
skill set of what they're in charge of doing or
what piece of the plot is there. So you know,
so if they're gonna be the vbid guy, they got
to go into the part of the country where they're
going to make the vbids. Obviously, if you're the suicide bomber,
let's say you're the suicide bomb in aviation, would you're
going to go near where the first pub airport is
(28:11):
right for your operation? So those so it's based more
on the operational strategy. And then you're in a community.
Of course, the where you blend in and makes sense.
Now there aren't little tells that have always been there.
So one thing al Qaeda always does is they're still stripped.
(28:33):
So if you have let's say it's a safe house,
it's just gonna be an apartment. And there's rules involved
in the safe house. One is women never come to
the safe house, right, so you got these young, good looking,
educated guys, a few of them always go to this
building and never bring a woman, never bring a child.
It's kind of a tell. I don't know. If you
(28:54):
read over the Manchester Manual, no, I don't know, if
it's like fifteen or twenty years ago. It got pulled
out of an AUF and Britain. You can get a
really good copy of it a line because that was
using a court case. But there's a piece in there
that actually walks through what they look for when they
get a safe house. But it's really just an apartment,
and it's actually really interested and fascinating. I think people
(29:16):
should read it because they still look for like their
safe houses the same way. And there are some unique
features like especially two doors, like you know, which in
a lot of apartments at one door. So there's also
weird things like you can overlook courtyards or pools they
don't want you to see women and all these type
(29:37):
of things. So there's all these interesting things. They have
also multiple documents, right, multiple identities. So I do think
people should look at that because you can learn a
lot from it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's the type of thing I think people are hungry for, right,
They're trying to figure out, all right, if because you
put in any small municipality and certainly the counterterear and
budgets have you know, shrunk into almost nil. And you know,
I mean I remember in the heyday when I was
at Blackwater, you know, we'd had three thousand people a
(30:09):
day training at the you know, at the facility. You know,
and most of those were small community law enforcement agencies
because they got some federal funding to be on the
look well that's not happening right now. So how is
the message being received in your mind or what you
(30:31):
know on the smaller municipalities, the smaller agencies. The place
that has you know, two hundred police officers and you
know a small SWAT contingency is you know, is what
are they doing in preparation for all of this?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I've met a lot of law
enforcement organizations since January, very large ones, the very small ones.
And it's more than based on if they had like
some go getters and apartment that like press their leadership
and like this is important. We got to get briefed
on this. There's a lot of SWAT teams who don't
(31:07):
have the funding to do it, but they're changing their tactics.
Obviously I'm not going to explain how so Terear Stone now,
but anyway, so it's really a lot of go getters. Unfortunately,
we started off, as you can imagine a lot of
people in law envoys and being like, well is it
going to happen in my town? What I like to
say is well, what percentages of your town with veterans? Right, Like,
that's where you start. Also, if it's going to go
(31:29):
on for multiple days, potentially, well are you going to
get called to backup? All far away? Are these cities
from you? Now, we don't know a lot of the cities.
We know some of the state's isis is focused on
and then the AQAP video has a few cities, but
that doesn't mean that's where they'll be. But there's a
lot of focus on Pennsylvania in this threat a lot.
(31:52):
If you are in any city in Pennsylvania, you should
be preparing and in my opinion, right so, there are
certain states so that have been very forward landing. Florida's
very forward landing, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas, Tennessee. We've been
up to New York multiple times. So luckily there are pockets.
(32:12):
The problem is, until mister Kent put out this memo
this week, a lot of them didn't have anything to
stand on when they went to try to sell, hey,
we need to move funds to do this kind of training.
So a lot of them were doing like, we need
to do different kinds of active shooter training and this
is really smart. So what they did, and I think
people should do this. If you don't get support, you say,
(32:34):
we need to do an active shooter drill, but we
need to do an active shooter drill with three shooters
hitting two locations. Right, very simple change, but it does
help with this threat and you don't have to say
it's kind of tears and really and unfortunately, right, you
got to play other ruses to sometimes get money or
the funding or the support. But we've seen a lot
of people do really creative things.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
That's fascinating to me because you know, that's the one
plot that I think is.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
The one that resonates with me.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's it's the one I'll never forget when Mumbai took place,
you know, not that you know, I'm praising the tech,
but the tactics in that were the best I had
ever seen. Right, they were just ten guys where you
can havoc holding the city hostage for fit well with
fifty eight hours or whatever it was. And if imagine
that with you know, in in you know, a smaller
(33:26):
city of two hundred and fifty thousand, three hundred thousand people,
you know, a smaller police force, you know, not a
lot of big government entities that can respond.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It's it's like that's the thing that is really the
most alarming. In particular, if people like you're saying, had
a year, year and a half of training in preparation,
then you know, access to the other things because a
lot of things I think people are like, well, where
are they going to get their guns?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
How are they going to get their tactical equipment?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, right, it's like how are they going to get
their tactical equipment? Where are they training? You know, and
it's like it's just not realistic. And that's what I
hear a lot of people and read a lot of
people as I you know, comb through your trolls when
you make your posts and you know and want to
go after I'm like, you don't know what you're talking about,
but uh, you know, that's what I think people are
(34:14):
kind of, uh what I'm concerned of. And and so
how do people in their local community, civilians, what what
can they do to kind of be heads up, head
on a swivel, increase their essay and then if one
of those incidents does take place and they're engaged in
around it, you know, how do you how do you
(34:35):
I mean Obviously, I think all the veterans that they're
going to be going. Most veterans that I know, at
least my friends all carry you know. Now I know
a lot of dudes that are actually carrying backpacks with
you know, suppressed automatic or some automatic you know, long
guns in there. You know, what is the deconfliction and
what is the reaction that people can have in those
(34:56):
searches in those situations.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, I mean, your hope is to not be on
the X or in the location where it happens. What
I like to try to tell people is you focuses
on your family emergency plan and being home and protecting
your family or at least protecting your neighborhood. Right, have
a neighborhood group, watch the block off the neighborhood if
something is happening, and then your police handle the city
(35:20):
in the roads, your sheriff hand or you know, the
main highways, et cetera. Now, as you said, we're gonna
have a lot of people rolling on this attack if
it happens, We're just going to because we've had war
fighters training for twenty years. So what we've been at
least trying to do in Florida and we're pushing in
other states is have those meetings and conversations now, especially
(35:44):
with the veteran organizations in your town. Know who they are,
because we are a problem with the terrorists might dress
as law enforcement. So now when you see this veteran
you've never met, you know, well trained, well armed, he
looks like law enforcement. Is he an attacker? Is? There's
gonna be a lot of confusion in this. So we're
telling everyone make all the relationships you can now, right,
(36:06):
bring community into it now because you're in a better spot. Also,
as you can imagine, let's say they hit the hospital, right,
and then they do a second round. Well, now you
can't use the hospital. Well, did you have conversation with
the local schools, the local churches. Did you stop by
pile medical supplies elsewhere? Do you even have the blood
(36:27):
levels where they need to be at the blood banks
in your town. There are very very simple things that
will help in any emergency that people are not doing,
and we need to get citizens involved. Right. I get
my house in order, I get my kids school in order,
I get my church in order, and then I work
with the mayor, the police chief or to get the
community in order and I think that's the best way
(36:48):
we at least handle how we protect and defend ourselves. Now,
when something like this happens the scale it's going to
happen at it's going to be like Not eleven. You
didn't know what Not eleven was, but you went the
hell home And that's what we really that's what you
need to really focus on. The majority of people are
going to need to keep themselves and the people they
love safe.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Awesome, that's fantastic. All right, last question.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You know, obviously we saw the President of Syria on
stage with General Petraeus recently, and the acknowledgment of of
of this is is for me in particular, I know
for you it's I've I've listened to you. I know
all my friends are just an absolute, you know, astonished
(37:32):
disbelief that this is taking place. What, in your opinion,
is the right way for the government to begin to
acknowledge this is real and then and then you know,
to really what what would you like to see with
(37:52):
them working with in and around the IC community, but
all the other government agent, Homeland Bureau all that, what
would you like to start to see take place?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, I mean our government first has to be honest,
right al Kaeda is going to do this massive attack,
then they have to cut off the pieces of a misinformation.
That's obviously the information coming from the Taliban and the
information coming from the new Seyan government. This is now
tainted intelligence and we need to handle it as such.
Even if you take it from them, fine, but it
(38:25):
needs to be marked. So if I'm an analyst in
DIA and I read the CIA report, it says on
it the CIA got it from the Talband, because that
is not happening right then, So you have to do that.
You also have to have the real discussion the terrorists. No,
we collect plenty of things over the phones. Most of
them got captured on their phones, so they actually sit
and do planning and strategy meetings for what they're going
(38:47):
to say on the phone, so NSA can collect it.
So we have to stop saying NSA information is coroboration, right,
because that is also tainted. We have to be very honest.
It's hard for people in the intelligence community to admit
fooled by terrorists, but we have been. Doctor Aiman al Zaarihir.
He fooled us with the coast bombing. He fooled us
with Hams and sad Bin Laden like there are real
(39:09):
fashionable things where the intelligence community failed. Now this is
just another one. So we first started to be honest
about that. I do think with a Tulsa and Joe
at the Helm, I do think they don't have the
hoot Hubris, and I think they'll care more to protect Americans.
And now they've got to get to everybody else on board.
So that's one thing. The other part is the only
way to authority terrorist attack is you got to be
(39:30):
proactive against it, which we haven't been. One way to
be proactive against it is you've got to go after
the masterminds. I know, no one's gonna put Julani in
the ex right now, so unfortunately we're gonna have to
ignore probably the Seria piece of it, which I don't
think we should be doing. But we should be going
after sciphil Auto. There's no argument siphial Auto is the
most one of the most wanted terrafts in the world.
(39:51):
And you know Sencom is actually ignoring information being provided
to them on his location. They are not actively targeting him,
which is crazy. He's the mastermind of this plot. Obviously,
they have to be honest about the big Laden sons
start collecting on them. Think about it. They have not
collected against Sabin Laden since two thousand and nine. That
is an intelligence failure like you could never believe. So
(40:14):
there has to be a lot of honesty. You got
to say, hey, we mess this up. Let's get it
straight out and SAIDCOM has not been honest about the
ISIS fight. I don't know if we need this Secretary
of War to say, hey, I'm gonna do some sort
of counterintelligence review, just like the CIA chief needs to
do a counter intelligence view of the Afghanistan department. But
something is wrong now. Is it just bad reporting? Is
(40:37):
it these relationships with the terrorists, et cetera. I don't
know what it is, but we have to find the
root causes of some of these problems. Lastly, we brought
in all these terrorists. We got to move them out faster.
We have to prioritize at least their nationalities. Right now,
I'm not saying block everybody from those countries, but we
(40:59):
know there's certain passports at a compromise Afghanistan, Syria, Turkey, Libya.
I'm sorry, every single person with one of those passports
that'll be in rooms all week long being questioned because
I don't even know if there's people in Afghan passports
are Afghan, well, I want to Afghan sitting in front
of them, talking to them. You know, let's do some
in the hands betting.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
From your lips, Sarah, from your lips to his ears. Man,
I just hope people are listening to you. I know
your audience has certainly grown. I just can't thank you
enough for having the courage. Obviously it doesn't always put
you in the safest space, but I know you're protected,
I know you're smart, and I know you're watching your
(41:41):
six all the time. I just can't thank you enough
for spending time with my audience and me. God bless
you for what you're doing. And just keep it up.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Thank you, Thanks, thanks for having me. What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I am here to talk to you about out fear.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
You know, one of the things that I hear so
much when I travel the country, speaking to thousands of
people every year is people want to always know was
I afraid? And they asked me, you know, were you
afraid in combat? Were you afraid in training? And you know,
I'm here to tell you that those are really intimate questions.
(42:22):
Because the answer is holl yes, I was afraid. I
was afraid all the time. Imagine every single day you
go into work is a day you could die. Well,
you know, it took me a long time to get
comfortable with being able to answer that question.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Sincerely.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I used to blow it off in some snapper head responsible, like, well,
have you ever had a three hundred pound boat on
your head and stayed awake for five straight days with
some instructor screaming in your face all day?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
And they'd be like no, And I go, well, you'd
be afraid, do right?
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And I kind of blew it off in this kind
of snapper headway, as I said. And the reality is
people actually want to know. With the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
with an eminent terrorist attack threat, and on the homeland
with financial chaos on the precipice of thirty eight trillion
(43:13):
dollars in debt, you know, there's a lot of fear
going on around the world and most importantly in our country.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
And so what I've done, in conjunction with.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
The past thirty five years of me really trying to explore,
experience and research everything that I could I could within
the human condition to try and understand what drives success
and what ultimately creates failures with teams or individuals. The
first place that I wanted to focus on was embracing fear,
(43:47):
because there's no such thing as fearless. Right. If you
hear somebody tell you, Oh, that person's fearless, you know
what I say to that, it doesn't exist. Right, You've
got a limbic system. We've got these three beautiful components
of your brain called the amigndalism hip campus. Those produce
stress hormones. Therefore, you have fear plus. Fear has been
(44:09):
integrated into our consciousness since well since consciousness began. Right,
Fear is ultimately the thing that enables you to either survive, thrive,
or die. It's just built into the whole capacity.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
On top of.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
That, you learn fear from the moment you're born. You
learn fear. Don't touch the burning stove, don't cross the
street without looking twice, don't go around the freak who's
trying to you know, suck you into the van.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We have all these things in our lives that are
integrated into how we process fear, how we experience fear,
how we feel fear, how fear affects us in our
daily routines. Well, after a considerable amount of time spent
trying to understand fear itself, I spent about two years
(44:58):
really digging into fear. I came up with the idea
that fear cannot be defeated obviously, so what do we
have to do. We have to embrace fear. So after
that two years of dedicated research and exploration into the
mindset behind fear, I began to develop what I call
my Embrace Fear Seminar. Now I've been teaching this for
(45:22):
well over ten years since I left the Central Intelligence Agency,
where I was both an instructor and operational and I
began teaching.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
The seminar well a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I finally decided to put it into a form for you. So,
if you have the inclination, if you have any little
bit of fear in your life, or even a lot
of fear that seems to impede your ambition, or distract
your performance, or really overwhelm your ability to operate in
(45:55):
a functional way in your life, then what I'm asking
you to do is that leap of faith and go
visit David Rutherford dot com look under courses and sign
up for your Embrace Fear course. Now, in this course,
there are five modules or I call missions. First is
to search for the truth of your fear. Right, that's
(46:17):
first thing, and within that there are four sub steps
that you do there. Now, this course is designed to
be take place over a four month period where each
subsetet takes one week to focus on right. And these
are journal based entries or activities that we provoke you
to do. You know, Mission number one is search for
(46:38):
the truth of your fear. Mission number two except the
reality of your fear. Mission number three is to retrain
your brain to deal with your fear. Mission number four
is to test yourself in your fear every day. And
then mission number five, the ultimate mission of all is
to be able to live with courage as with fear
(46:58):
in your life. Now, I spent a tremendous amount of time.
I've given this course multiple times to multiple organizations, and
I've worked extensively with individual professional athletes, CEOs, businesses, other
operators and people that were struggling with this profound impediment
(47:18):
on developing your performance capabilities, which is fear itself. So again,
if you want an excellent way to learn to live
with that fear, not only with strength, but also being
able to manipulate that perception of it in such a
way that it actually drives you forward. It becomes a
(47:40):
motivational tool for you to accomplish your dreams, to achieve
the things you've always wanted to achieve by learning to
embrace your fear. So go to David Rutherford dot com,
look under courses and find the Embrace Fear course. Take
five months or five weeks to accomplish this, and I
promise you at the end of this you will be
(48:02):
able to embrace your fear and go after the ultimate
dream in your life.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Thank you U yah
Speaker 1 (48:12):
M.
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