In this episode, Lisa speaks with former Navy SEAL and FBI agent Jonathan T. Gilliam about the alarming rise in politically motivated violence across the U.S., including recent attacks on churches and conservatives. Gilliam draws parallels to foreign terrorist movements, warns of leftist ideological grooming, and highlights the involvement of veterans and transgender individuals in recent incidents. He calls for stronger community security, comprehensive investigations into radical networks, and the designation of groups like Antifa as terrorist organizations to restore law and order and protect American institutions. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're joined by Jonathan Gilliam. He's a former Navy seal,
former FBI agent Air Marshall, and we're going to get
his take on a lot of these political attacks, this
political violence that we're seeing in the country. That shocking
attack on an LDS church in Michigan, to the sniper
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assault on an ICE facility in Dallas, and then of
course the devastating assassination of Charlie Kirk in Utah. We're
going to unpack the tactical, the investigative, and the societal
layers of all these incidents. Do they have anything in common,
how do we stop them? What's next for all of this.
We'll get Jonathan's expertise on all of that. Also, we're
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going to explore the Department of War Pete hegsas bold
military reforms. We saw speeches from President Trump and heg
Seth addressing admirals and generals from you know, calling them
all to Quantico from across the world. What do these
changes mean for the military? Well, also again to that
indictment of James Comy, what does Jonathan think as a
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former FBI agent. So join us as Jonathan breaks down
all these important events what it means for nations security
in the future. Well, Jonathan, it's great to have you
on the show. A lot going on in your area
of expertise, So looking forward to getting your insight on
all this stuff. I wanted to start out obviously, you
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know you worked in the FBI. A federal grand jury
recently indicted Comy on charges of making a false statement
and obstructing a congressional hearing in connection to testimony he
gave back in twenty twenty. Now Comy says he's innocent.
So what do you make of that? Where do you
think this thing is going and do you think they'll
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secure a conviction against Comy the former FBI director.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, that the big question is will any kind of
conviction come out of this? I mean, that's the hard
part about going after Washington d C insiders. And make
no mistake about it, Comy Moeller, chrispher Ray, all the
previous FBI directors are all insiders of the beltwayh They
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were all DOJ attorneys before they became.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The directors of the FBI.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Which is I have a problem with that because as
we see, the DOJ is very liberal. That's not something
that just happened. This is something that's been ongoing for
years and years. And they're also very politically connected. That's
why we don't get these convictions.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So when you hand.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Those people over to the bureau to lead the bureau,
it's already a recipe for disaster of the justice system.
So when we look at Komy and the reality of
who this guy is, he's actually the same as Christopher
and Robert Mueller. So that's why of conviction is important.
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But that's why it's also going to be just extremely difficult.
I mean, I would say even more difficult than going
after a politician, which is we've seen as virtually impossible.
So but here's the other thing atle say, is that
I know that they're just initially charging these things obstruction
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and lying. I think it was lying to Congress, lying
under oath. I think that's what the two charges were.
I don't think the lying part is difficult to show.
The obstruction may not be either, because he has his
own words out there saying he did this versus that.
But I think that there's so many other charges that
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could be brought, such as falsilifying evidence, authorizing an illegal
case where literally they made up evidence. He authorized the
evidence to go forward that had not been scrubbed. He
allowed and authorized the spying on United States citizens, and
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for the cases to be built around President Trump and
his associates. If I did any of those things as
a supervisor in the FBI, go to jail.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So I I hope that they get this a.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Charge because it will lead them to where they can
do more investigations, a deeper investigation on Comy, but also
on Mueller and chrispher Ray and anybody else that was involved.
Peter Struck, McCabe, Lisa Page, all of them have shown
that they.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Were structured in their group.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It showed that they were committing crimes in furtherance of
their criminal enterprise. I guess you could call it, and
I think they could go after them with reco charges.
So I think it's it's critical that they get something well.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And it's also in a you know, liberal part of
the country, in northern Virginia, so surely the jury will
reflect uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That as well.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And you know, Comy's obviously made no secret about sort
of like flouting the rules in regards to you know,
giving his friend information, uh to like sensitive information to leak,
and then you know, bragging about kind of going after
Flynn and sort of you know, bypassing the rules to
get him, and then sort of cheered on this persecution
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of Donald Trump. You know. So it's like he's clearly
you know, he's not a good guy. He's not a
boy scout, despite the fact he pretended like he was
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That's the thing that's extremely egregious about Comy is that
Mueller you could tell he didn't really care about the Bureau.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You could just tell that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I mean, he he institutionalized this terrible, terrible morale into
the bureau that was totally opposite of his predecessor.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And he just did things that were.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That you could see that he wasn't doing it to
make it easier, making the job better for the agents.
He was under Moler, we had a new Diogue, which
is our investigative Bible, where they flat out told us
that this was in two thousand and eight, I believe
is when that was. They said that they were going
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to take the FBI from the premier law enforcement agency
to the premiere and nobody said this. I don't know
if you've ever heard this before, but I heard it
from their lips. We went through eighteen hours of training
to the premiere intelligent domestic intelligence agency.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That's what they said.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
They were going to do with the FBI. And we
started seeing that our reporting, which would usually be shared
with headquarters, further to push out to other or we
would just push it out to other divisions or other
field offices that also had the areas that we were
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operating in. We now found that we were reporting the
headquarters and that they would take specific information and send
it back down, and we were often getting our own
intelligence sit back down to us. God was on kind
of like a street crimes unit. And that was kind
of the beginning of this. It was the beginning of
this apologetic type of We're sorry. They literally apologize for
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thirty minutes about Hoover and how Hoover had gone after
actors and people accused of communism and black activists and
gay activists, and they were saying that he did all
these things wrong, and it reflected and I'm sitting there
thinking to myself, isn't that who's destroying this country now?
I mean, they could say whatever they want about Hoover,
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but he was going after people who were destroying this
country and he was doing it under the rules at
that time.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So this started with it progressed.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
When when Komi came in, people thought he was the
hero because Muller was so bad and he portrayed that.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
But he's an actor.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
He's I believe he's a psychopathic narcissist when you look
at the way he reacts to things, well, it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Is a little worrisome in terms of like I mean,
obviously the left started it with going after Trump and uh,
you know, going after pro life Catholics with the Face
Act and things like that. But it does sort of
feel like now we're entering sort of this new era
of like, whoever is in government is going to be
targeting people in the opposite you know, political party.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well, I think, yeah, that's because they're there. That shows
the ideology. At least, it shows the ideology of who
these people are. And the more of this that comes out,
the better, because the more you can show that these
individuals that there was more than just comy that were
involved in there was a structure in this ideology, and
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that they systematically use their offices to further their ideology
or further their intent as a group. It gets bigger
than Comy, and I really hope that this is where
this is going because just what Pete Hexath is doing.
And I've given Pete Hexath, I've given him a lot
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of criticism because I don't like him. Kesh Patel, Dan Bongino,
Hamdbody Christy No, I don't like the social media aspect
of how they run their offices. I don't believe that
it's that that is what's the word that they use,
that that's transparency. I believe those are clicks, But I
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do believe a little bit of insight here and there,
or using the public to further their investigations, that's great.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But I've been really hard.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
On Pete Hexath because I feel like it's too much
social media, it's too much grandstanding. But what he's doing
with the generals that I believe is exactly what Cash
Betel and Pambondy and the DJ should be doing with
Chris Ferray and all of these other people. Pete, I
believe what he's gonna do is he's looking at these generals.
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He knows a lot more than they probably realize. Now
after being in this job for this long and he's
going to systematically look at all of these people. And
I believe that's what needs to happen with Chris Farray.
And they say mule are sick now, but I would
still they need to look at them. They need to
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be brought in on this, and Comy being brought in
front of the American people needs to happen. We need
to look at him and just like Pete is going
to look at the generals and you will see how
creepy these people are there at least that they're creepy.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
People.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Jonathan
on the other side, you know, and speaking of pe
So or the you know, Secretary of Defense, I say,
Peak used to work with them, so it's you know,
it's like it's still but you know, as you mentioned,
he sort of summoned like generals and admirals, hundreds of
generals and admirals from around the world. That kind of
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like sparked a little bit of concern initially because this
doesn't really happen about you know, like is there something
about to go off or you know, around the world,
or like what's happening. But he got them all together
in Quantico, Virginia and really sort of like resetting the
priorities of well, I guess not the Department of Defense anymore,
the Department of War, but just sort of resetting like
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its purpose, direction and focus. You know, sort of what
do you make of that meeting? And and like, did
you like what you heard from both President Trump and
from the the Secretary.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I did, And listen, this is what you cannot restructure
these entities within the government, so the Department of War,
which listen. I don't want to take credit for that, Lisa,
but I've been saying that for years. I've been on Fox,
I've been on Hannity Show when I used to host
that years ago. We're talking talking ten years ago, saying
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that they needed to change the Department of Defense back
to the Department of War. But also they need to
take the eagles face and turn it back towards or
actually switch the arrows in the all of branches that
the eagle is holding in its talons. It used to
look at the towards the arrows and hold the olive
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branch in reserve. That way, we projected force. But at
the same time it went from Department of War to
the Department of Defense. Back in the forties, they also
changed that and they said let's project peace and hold
the force in reserve. They literally changed that. It should
be changed back. That was all progressive moves. So if
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Trump listens to this, I think that they should change
that as well. But I do believe that what they're
doing in the Department of War should be looked at
closely by cash betail by Christy nom Has. I don't
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even know if she realizes how far left the people
are within the DHS. All of these supervisors in all
of these agencies, they've all been promoted based on what
mafia was running the agency at that particular time. You
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have all kinds of mafias within these different agencies. You have,
you know, the careers mafia's where they're the most incompetent people,
but they only put people around them that basically kiss
up to them and help their career. You have the
lesbian mafia, and this is no joke. You put a
lesbian in a high rank and she's going to stack
the ranks underneath her with the exact same ideologically minded
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people and literally kill people's careers. They're they're the nastiest
group that's in these agencies. You have the SWAT team
mafia guys who are not real operators, but they went
through two weeks of training uh and they're on the
swat teams and they if they get in a position
of authority, they stack their ranks underneath with their uh
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uh lackeys and the people who look up to them.
So all of these agencies need to go through a
reorgan It starts at the top.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It starts at the top where.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Pete is going to look at at these people, and
I believe Trump is there as well, and they're going
to look at these these generals and they're going to
take what they know about who they are or what
they're doing, and they're going to start reducing it. But
also it's going to give them the opportunity to look
at these people and say.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Is this person weird?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And I know that that you can't always look at
somebody to say, oh, that guy's a weirdo. There's no
way he'd be good at that job. There's lots of
generals out there and admirals that if you looked at
him and say, there's no way that guy's will warrior,
but he's a meat eating operator, you know. But if
people show up and there's an awkwardness there and you
look at them and you say, I would never have
a beer with this person, then you're going to take
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an extra look at that person if you know that
they're in an area where there's a lot of this
ideological push like, for instance, the military bands, the Navy band.
I know somebody that's in there. They said, it is
like the Department of Education. They hate the president, they're
far left, and they really are a money vacuum. Should
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I believe it should be gone if that's the case.
So I think it's going to give them an opportunity
to look at these people from the top. At the
same time, Pete is I should say the Secretary of
War is I make the same mistake. He's changing the
standards for recruitment and what people have to do. That's
changing the short term and long term out look of
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the Department of War. The same thing things have happened
with the FBI and all these other agencies. They need
to look at these people face to face and say
this is not right. There's something off here, and when
they look into their background they will they'll find it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It is kind of funny because Sam Stein with am
SNB Suite m SMBC tweeted that heg Seth called the
generals into fagime because he you know, he's obviously telling
them all that they have to meet certain fitness standards
regardless of rank. Do you think then, you know, obviously, uh,
you know, Secretary heg Seth was a very controversial choice,
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came under an immensement, probably like the most scrutiny out
of any of maybe outside of RF Cave Junior, but
definitely one of the most scrutinized cabinet picks from President Trump.
Do you do you think looking at this, then maybe
it was you know, a positive thing to bring someone
from the outs, uh, Like if he had promoted like
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a general or something, would they be able to sort
of make these changes and to sort of bring about
this needed disruption.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, I'll tell you it's interesting because we look in
the Bible and we get examples of this all the time.
You know, God takes some people who've had the most
destruction in their lives and he uses them and molds them.
And I think that when Pete was chosen based on
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rumors and facts, I didn't think he was the right person.
But there's certain aspects that I believe he would have
and is making a success out of his being appointed in.
One of those things is he's prior service. He wasn't
too high ranking in that service, which means that because
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once you get past the rank of six that's officer
level six levels in the Navy, that would be a captain.
Once you get above that level, it becomes very political
that because admiral is next after that. So I believe
that would be a colonel in the army. So once
you get above that, then you are pulled up. You
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don't succeed up and when you're pulled up, and I
think that would be something that I would like to
see Pete changes. You need to have real successes in
order to become a general or an admiral. At this point,
it's basically you may have some good things that you did,
but it's really did you tie your not to the
right person and they're going to pull you up, because
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just like I was talking about with the agencies, the
general's game is the same. It's a mafia of people.
Maybe not as far left, but as we've seen the
first administration with President Trump. It was filled with these people,
and so they all got there because they either did
what they were told or because they had the same ideology,
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and so they were pulled up by the the other
generals and admirals. So I think it was good that
Pete wasn't that high ranking.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And look, I think.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Pete is the kind of guy that says, you know,
screw it, I'm going to do what needs to be done.
And that is despite whatever doubt I had, that is
the one quality that we needed, and we needed somebody
that was going to say that I have the same
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vision as President Trump that this stuff is destroyed and
we need to rid it of these cancers within. And
Pete doesn't give a crap. He's going to do it.
And you see what happened. This is what's crazy. You
see what happens when somebody does that right, the system
folds underneath them. And that's what Patel and Bondi and
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all these other agencies leaders need to realize is that
if you play patty cakes with a with a lion,
it's going to eat you. And that's what the Left
is in these agencies. They own these agencies, and if
they play patty cakes with them they're going to get
in three years there the left is still going to
own these agencies. That's what Pete has not done. He's
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not playing patty cake. And look how look what happens
the the do O uh, the Department of War, the
DOW is now responding like these people are afraid. And
that's where you need to have that lion. You know,
if you want to boop a line on the face,
you better make sure it's afraid and it's caged.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And that's what That's what I believe Pete has done.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You know, we're also seeing increased recruiting numbers too, which
is good because we need guys like you know, you
former Navy seal. You know, we need these big, strong
guys signing up to server military.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And I agree.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You know, I imagine if you're you know, having drag
queens out there, that doesn't really uh you know, encourage
uh these fighters to want to sign up and serve
that kind of military, and I doesn't really speak to them.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So good thing.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
We're seeing changes in that as well. You know, I
wanted to ask you about sort of like this increase
political violence we're saying. You know, we saw the horrific
assassination of Charley Kirk, which was just you know, I'm
still just hurting from that, as we all are. And
then just most recently, this attack on an LDS church
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in Michigan, which seems like a pretty sophisticated attack, you know,
and in terms of like the plowing into it with
this car, the arson, the firing. I guess what do
you sing in this political violence? Does this seem like
an increase to you as someone who you know used
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to serve in the FBI or kind of like what what?
What are your takeaways? And you know, when then you
also have the attack on the ice facility in Dallas,
So I guess what are you seeing right now in
sort of the political environment in terms of violence.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
So for a long time, what we saw that So
there's been an evolution and this type of violence that
we're seeing. So gang violence has been around for I
mean thirty forty fifty years, where it's gotten to the
point where it's the inner city is that dangerous that
you could be shot and killed. There was a defining
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moment and I'm not sure when that was where that
type of violence started, and that's really where the bulk
of mass shootings occur is in gang violence throughout the
inner cities of the United States.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
A lot of it has to do with the way
that DC.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Has gone downhill, and you see as President Trump brought
in the troops and all these agencies, it was very
easy to clean a lot of that stuff up, still
being cleaned up, but very easy to make big changes.
So we know that inner city mass shootings occurred because
the left got into power, not just the left but
mainly the left, but also politicians who don't really care
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to clean those things up. So you saw an evolution
of it getting worse and worse. Well, now you see
the same if you step back and you look, you
can see an evolution of leftist verbiage and then leftists
grooming and indoctrination. And then after that you started to
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see people that weren't saying I'm a leftist, but they
were saying, I am confused about my gender, or I
got you know, was bullied at school, and so they're
going out and they're shooting up schools. Right, So that's
an evolution because those people.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
There just wasn't.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That many people who were confused about their gender, and
there were always people who were bullied, but it wasn't
the same type of bullying as it is now with
social media and also with the Department of Education telling
people that they are victims. You're either a victim of
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your gender or you're a victim of being bullied, and
so they created and groomed a victim mentality into all
these young people. So you started to see those people
react because of their grooming. But now what you're starting
to see are people that are taking up weapons and
committing acts of violence based on the fact that they
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identify as a leftist, not as just somebody who's confused.
It's always they may be transgender, but they're also they
hate Trump or they hate the Church. And so it
follows along the same path as the first and second
antifada in Gaza, where Hamas.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Did the same thing.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
They indoctrinate these people, they take over these locations, they
groomed them into verbal violence and then throwing rocks, and
the next thing you know, they're carrying out massive terrorist attacks.
That is what's happening here, but it's just going much quicker,
and so I think we can clearly see that this
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ideology has.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Pushed all of these non inner.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
City violent people or people into becoming a coordinated, violent
system of attacks. And I think also the other odd
thing here is that many of these things that we've
seen occurred, whether they're ideological or whether they are just
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individuals that are confused about life. We're seeing veterans shoot
up and blow up things New Year's Date. Both of
those individuals that carried out two different types of attacks
were veterans. One was Special Forces and he just wanted
to kill himself in a you know, go out in
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a bang of glory for some weird delusional reason. So
the other guy was associated with fundamental Islam. So now
we're starting to see all these people who are transgender
with specific engravings on their bullets, writings on their magazines
and their guns. That's an evolutionary tactic of basically spreading
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fear and intimidation through their violence. And so I think
we have and I think the Bureau has enough to
start looking into where is this coming from? The military
stuff is odd because these people are acting this stuff out.
And I don't think the guy with the Mormon Church
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is probably going to be found to be a leftist.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I don't know about the guy that was offshore.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Both of those things sound like they had beefs with
delusional or otherwise they did not like that specific group
and so they went after them. But still the act
of multi pronged attacks or shooting up a restaurant, that
is not something that veterans would ever do before. So
there's something's changed there. But with the left and where
that's concerned, I believe that there's enough evidence to start
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an investigation just to look into what type of grooming
has happened and how it's occurred in who's carried it out.
And I think if they did the investigation correctly, they
would find that there's a link back to all of
these people that we've talked about the beginning of this show,
the Komi's, the Molers, the Department of Education, all these judges.
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It's if you take a step back, Lisa, if I
drew on a hundred foot wall a big mural that
showed all this stuff, but I only let you stand
two inches away from the wall, you're not going to
be able to see it. But when you start to
step back, things become revealed. And that's where we are now.
We could look and see this huge mural of all
these players, and I don't think it's any coincidence that
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the judges side with the left, that Mueller, Comy Christy
or Christopher Ray. They all side with the left. The
shooter side with the left, the teacher side with the
left that groomed them. I think this is a system
that needs to be investigated as a whole.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I guess how do you stop it? Then? You know,
because even laying out with like the the church shooter,
and you know, I mean, these are you know, sort
of different kinds of people, different goals and objectives. So
it's like, how do you stop this? How do you
stop that?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's a good question, and the main answer is the
one that nobody wants to hear, is that in order
to stop each individual attack that's going to come down
to the people, the citizens, You're going to have to
do threat assessments of your church. You're going to have
to hire companies like you know, I'm in Central America
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right now with or South America with a client, and
everywhere we go every day, I do a threat assessment
before we go there, you know, and I know, from
an attacker's point of view, who would attack based on
historical things that are happening. The avenue approach that they
would that they would use, the type of attack, when
would be the best time to do it, and where
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would be the best place to carry it out. I
do that every day, and all my other operators that
work for me, they're on different entertainment tours and things,
and they're doing those things every day. Last in the
past two years, we've did over a thousand arenas where
we did these threat assessments. And I know when I
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go in there because I can look at the way
that their security is laid out, that they have not
done these threat assessments. I could go to any school
right now and tell you that they most likely.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I've actually had a school.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Tell me they didn't want to spend the money that
I was going to charge them, which wasn't an exuberant
amount on They weren't going to spend the money on
a threat assessment to bring them in. They were going
to spend it on building planters for beautification of the school.
And then literally six months later, not that school, but
about fifty miles away a school had a shooting. So
they're not interested in doing these threat assessments, and that's
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what needs to happen. Schools churches, malls. Yeah, some people
still go to malls, stadiums, and arenas, all entertainment venues
and targets that maybe have some type of political nature
to them. People need to realize parades, for instance, that's
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what I was looking for. They need to start doing
better threat assessments and realize you don't have to buy
the latest and greatest security equipment. You can park cars
in a certain place and people won't be able to
drive a vehicle in there, for instance, and crash into
a building, set it on fire. You can hire or
not even higher. You can have volunteers from the church armed.
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Lots of churches have armed security that are there.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
People that go to.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Church there and they they take former military or law
enforcement or even people just get their concealed weapons carry
and they go and they practice and come in there
and they are their security. They while the sermons happening,
they're sitting out front looking for anything and.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
That that has actually stopped some of these attacks.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So in order to stop the individual attacks, it's we
the people are going to have to step up to
the plate. If but in order to stop the movement,
that's going to be the government and really the Stopping
the attacks is the easy part. Stopping the movement is
the hard part. And that's where President Trump, his agency leaders,
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and all these people who work for these agencies should
start stepping forward and saying I disagree with this totally.
You know that I can see that people are getting
pushed forward because of their gender or because of their sexuality,
and I would be I would start making a fuss
about it.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Quick commercial break.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
If you like what you're hearing police shore on social media,
or send it to a friend or family member. Obviously,
it's challenging with like the snipers and stuff because like
you know, ice facilities are pretty fortified, right so or
you know, Charlie Kirk had security, you know, and so
it's ob Charlie.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Can I say something about that yet? And I haven't
said this before. Charlie Kirk's security failed, and so did
that police department. That was an utter failure that Lisa.
That guy got on the roof basically by walking through
a parking lot or a parking deck, across a walkway
and just step down onto the roof, and nobody secured
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that he didn't access the door. That's from what I'm
looking at based on the the route that the shooter
took to get there. Walking that we've seen there is
a walkway that goes right over to the roof and
then turns and goes down steps. All he had to
do was just step over this wire fence and he
could have been right on the roof. Charlie's security failed
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and they did not have a drone up. They didn't
have anybody with binoculars looking and standing there and looking tough.
And I didn't know Charlie well, but I met him.
And it's infuriating to me because Lisa. If I had
been in charge of that security, Charlie would still be
alive because I simply would have either put somebody on
that high area that could have seen those things happening,
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or I would have had a drone up. And security
has to start looking at things differently.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Again. I do this every day.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I don't rely on the police department or the security
at the venue to do my job. I do it,
and I make sure that if I can mitigate the circumstance,
I will.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But if I have to get.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
My client out of there, I'm going to know why,
and I'm going to get him out of there, probably
before the venue security or the police do.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
And then before we go, you know, labeling Antifa terrorist organization?
Is that the path forward of you know, labeling some
of these these groups as you know, terrorist organizations and
sort of expanding that it is. Do you think that'll
make a difference?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I absolutely do because labeling them, well, this is what's
going to make the difference.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You can label a chick and a dog.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But if you don't go investigate it and you don't
start making arrest, it doesn't matter if they're clucking or barking,
you know, nothing's gonna happen. So you have to The
FBI has to go after these people. We should already
be hearing about massive arrests of Antifa. They have a
headquarters in Austin. We know it's there, so why aren't
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that investigation is as soon as they are labeled that
they should have a full squad looking at all the
attacks that they have carried out, whether it's hitting somebody
with a lock or like when they chased Andy No
into a into a room and said they were going
to kill him. All of these people, all of these
groups are affiliated. They fly all over the place, they
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get funded, they have gear. I've seen them in Washington,
d C. I've seen them all over the place where
they have better gear than law enforcement sometimes and uniformed
gear and their movements. I knew a guy that was
protecting I forget the guy's name, but he was in
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doing a speech at Berkeley and the violence got out
of hand and so they were waiting to move him
and the guy who was Special Forces, he went up
on the roof to see where they could see their
route and he said what he watched was uniformed and
standardized by these Antifa people, and he had never seen
that taught in the US military. So where are they
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getting their standards? Where are they getting their tactics? And
those are things that I think if the Bureau and
the Intelligence services start digging into, we're going to see
that there's nation states that are connected, and we're going
to see that there's big money people and politicians.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
This needs to go forward.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I think ANTIFA making them a terrorist designated them to
terrorist unit. This could lead to, just like Comy, two
great big, huge cases and could really shift the way
things are going.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
In this nation.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Jonathan Gilly appreciate you joining the show. Thanks for making
the time.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You got it Lisa, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
That was Jonathan Gilliam. Appreciate him for making the time
to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home
for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen
throughout the week. I want to thank John Cassio, my producer,
for putting the show together.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Until next time,
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're joined by Jonathan Gilliam. He's a former Navy seal,
former FBI agent Air Marshall, and we're going to get
his take on a lot of these political attacks, this
political violence that we're seeing in the country. That shocking
attack on an LDS church in Michigan, to the sniper
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assault on an ICE facility in Dallas, and then of
course the devastating assassination of Charlie Kirk in Utah. We're
going to unpack the tactical, the investigative, and the societal
layers of all these incidents. Do they have anything in common,
how do we stop them? What's next for all of this.
We'll get Jonathan's expertise on all of that. Also, we're
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going to explore the Department of War Pete hegsas bold
military reforms. We saw speeches from President Trump and heg
Seth addressing admirals and generals from you know, calling them
all to Quantico from across the world. What do these
changes mean for the military? Well, also again to that
indictment of James Comy, what does Jonathan think as a
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former FBI agent. So join us as Jonathan breaks down
all these important events what it means for nations security
in the future. Well, Jonathan, it's great to have you
on the show. A lot going on in your area
of expertise, So looking forward to getting your insight on
all this stuff. I wanted to start out obviously, you
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know you worked in the FBI. A federal grand jury
recently indicted Comy on charges of making a false statement
and obstructing a congressional hearing in connection to testimony he
gave back in twenty twenty. Now Comy says he's innocent.
So what do you make of that? Where do you
think this thing is going and do you think they'll
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secure a conviction against Comy the former FBI director.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, that the big question is will any kind of
conviction come out of this? I mean, that's the hard
part about going after Washington d C insiders. And make
no mistake about it, Comy Moeller, chrispher Ray, all the
previous FBI directors are all insiders of the beltwayh They
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were all DOJ attorneys before they became.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The directors of the FBI.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Which is I have a problem with that because as
we see, the DOJ is very liberal. That's not something
that just happened. This is something that's been ongoing for
years and years. And they're also very politically connected. That's
why we don't get these convictions.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So when you hand.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Those people over to the bureau to lead the bureau,
it's already a recipe for disaster of the justice system.
So when we look at Komy and the reality of
who this guy is, he's actually the same as Christopher
and Robert Mueller. So that's why of conviction is important.
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But that's why it's also going to be just extremely difficult.
I mean, I would say even more difficult than going
after a politician, which is we've seen as virtually impossible.
So but here's the other thing atle say, is that
I know that they're just initially charging these things obstruction
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and lying. I think it was lying to Congress, lying
under oath. I think that's what the two charges were.
I don't think the lying part is difficult to show.
The obstruction may not be either, because he has his
own words out there saying he did this versus that.
But I think that there's so many other charges that
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could be brought, such as falsilifying evidence, authorizing an illegal
case where literally they made up evidence. He authorized the
evidence to go forward that had not been scrubbed. He
allowed and authorized the spying on United States citizens, and
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for the cases to be built around President Trump and
his associates. If I did any of those things as
a supervisor in the FBI, go to jail.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So I I hope that they get this a.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Charge because it will lead them to where they can
do more investigations, a deeper investigation on Comy, but also
on Mueller and chrispher Ray and anybody else that was involved.
Peter Struck, McCabe, Lisa Page, all of them have shown
that they.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Were structured in their group.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It showed that they were committing crimes in furtherance of
their criminal enterprise. I guess you could call it, and
I think they could go after them with reco charges.
So I think it's it's critical that they get something well.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And it's also in a you know, liberal part of
the country, in northern Virginia, so surely the jury will
reflect uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That as well.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And you know, Comy's obviously made no secret about sort
of like flouting the rules in regards to you know,
giving his friend information, uh to like sensitive information to leak,
and then you know, bragging about kind of going after
Flynn and sort of you know, bypassing the rules to
get him, and then sort of cheered on this persecution
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of Donald Trump. You know. So it's like he's clearly
you know, he's not a good guy. He's not a
boy scout, despite the fact he pretended like he was
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That's the thing that's extremely egregious about Comy is that
Mueller you could tell he didn't really care about the Bureau.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You could just tell that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I mean, he he institutionalized this terrible, terrible morale into
the bureau that was totally opposite of his predecessor.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And he just did things that were.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That you could see that he wasn't doing it to
make it easier, making the job better for the agents.
He was under Moler, we had a new Diogue, which
is our investigative Bible, where they flat out told us
that this was in two thousand and eight, I believe
is when that was. They said that they were going
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to take the FBI from the premier law enforcement agency
to the premiere and nobody said this. I don't know
if you've ever heard this before, but I heard it
from their lips. We went through eighteen hours of training
to the premiere intelligent domestic intelligence agency.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That's what they said.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
They were going to do with the FBI. And we
started seeing that our reporting, which would usually be shared
with headquarters, further to push out to other or we
would just push it out to other divisions or other
field offices that also had the areas that we were
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operating in. We now found that we were reporting the
headquarters and that they would take specific information and send
it back down, and we were often getting our own
intelligence sit back down to us. God was on kind
of like a street crimes unit. And that was kind
of the beginning of this. It was the beginning of
this apologetic type of We're sorry. They literally apologize for
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thirty minutes about Hoover and how Hoover had gone after
actors and people accused of communism and black activists and
gay activists, and they were saying that he did all
these things wrong, and it reflected and I'm sitting there
thinking to myself, isn't that who's destroying this country now?
I mean, they could say whatever they want about Hoover,
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but he was going after people who were destroying this
country and he was doing it under the rules at
that time.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So this started with it progressed.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
When when Komi came in, people thought he was the
hero because Muller was so bad and he portrayed that.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
But he's an actor.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
He's I believe he's a psychopathic narcissist when you look
at the way he reacts to things, well, it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Is a little worrisome in terms of like I mean,
obviously the left started it with going after Trump and uh,
you know, going after pro life Catholics with the Face
Act and things like that. But it does sort of
feel like now we're entering sort of this new era
of like, whoever is in government is going to be
targeting people in the opposite you know, political party.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well, I think, yeah, that's because they're there. That shows
the ideology. At least, it shows the ideology of who
these people are. And the more of this that comes out,
the better, because the more you can show that these
individuals that there was more than just comy that were
involved in there was a structure in this ideology, and
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that they systematically use their offices to further their ideology
or further their intent as a group. It gets bigger
than Comy, and I really hope that this is where
this is going because just what Pete Hexath is doing.
And I've given Pete Hexath, I've given him a lot
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of criticism because I don't like him. Kesh Patel, Dan Bongino,
Hamdbody Christy No, I don't like the social media aspect
of how they run their offices. I don't believe that
it's that that is what's the word that they use,
that that's transparency. I believe those are clicks, But I
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do believe a little bit of insight here and there,
or using the public to further their investigations, that's great.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But I've been really hard.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
On Pete Hexath because I feel like it's too much
social media, it's too much grandstanding. But what he's doing
with the generals that I believe is exactly what Cash
Betel and Pambondy and the DJ should be doing with
Chris Ferray and all of these other people. Pete, I
believe what he's gonna do is he's looking at these generals.
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He knows a lot more than they probably realize. Now
after being in this job for this long and he's
going to systematically look at all of these people. And
I believe that's what needs to happen with Chris Farray.
And they say mule are sick now, but I would
still they need to look at them. They need to
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be brought in on this, and Comy being brought in
front of the American people needs to happen. We need
to look at him and just like Pete is going
to look at the generals and you will see how
creepy these people are there at least that they're creepy.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
People.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Jonathan
on the other side, you know, and speaking of pe
So or the you know, Secretary of Defense, I say,
Peak used to work with them, so it's you know,
it's like it's still but you know, as you mentioned,
he sort of summoned like generals and admirals, hundreds of
generals and admirals from around the world. That kind of
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like sparked a little bit of concern initially because this
doesn't really happen about you know, like is there something
about to go off or you know, around the world,
or like what's happening. But he got them all together
in Quantico, Virginia and really sort of like resetting the
priorities of well, I guess not the Department of Defense anymore,
the Department of War, but just sort of resetting like
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its purpose, direction and focus. You know, sort of what
do you make of that meeting? And and like, did
you like what you heard from both President Trump and
from the the Secretary.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I did, And listen, this is what you cannot restructure
these entities within the government, so the Department of War,
which listen. I don't want to take credit for that, Lisa,
but I've been saying that for years. I've been on Fox,
I've been on Hannity Show when I used to host
that years ago. We're talking talking ten years ago, saying
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that they needed to change the Department of Defense back
to the Department of War. But also they need to
take the eagles face and turn it back towards or
actually switch the arrows in the all of branches that
the eagle is holding in its talons. It used to
look at the towards the arrows and hold the olive
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branch in reserve. That way, we projected force. But at
the same time it went from Department of War to
the Department of Defense. Back in the forties, they also
changed that and they said let's project peace and hold
the force in reserve. They literally changed that. It should
be changed back. That was all progressive moves. So if
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Trump listens to this, I think that they should change
that as well. But I do believe that what they're
doing in the Department of War should be looked at
closely by cash betail by Christy nom Has. I don't
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even know if she realizes how far left the people
are within the DHS. All of these supervisors in all
of these agencies, they've all been promoted based on what
mafia was running the agency at that particular time. You
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have all kinds of mafias within these different agencies. You have,
you know, the careers mafia's where they're the most incompetent people,
but they only put people around them that basically kiss
up to them and help their career. You have the
lesbian mafia, and this is no joke. You put a
lesbian in a high rank and she's going to stack
the ranks underneath her with the exact same ideologically minded
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people and literally kill people's careers. They're they're the nastiest
group that's in these agencies. You have the SWAT team
mafia guys who are not real operators, but they went
through two weeks of training uh and they're on the
swat teams and they if they get in a position
of authority, they stack their ranks underneath with their uh
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uh lackeys and the people who look up to them.
So all of these agencies need to go through a
reorgan It starts at the top.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It starts at the top where.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Pete is going to look at at these people, and
I believe Trump is there as well, and they're going
to look at these these generals and they're going to
take what they know about who they are or what
they're doing, and they're going to start reducing it. But
also it's going to give them the opportunity to look
at these people and say.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Is this person weird?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And I know that that you can't always look at
somebody to say, oh, that guy's a weirdo. There's no
way he'd be good at that job. There's lots of
generals out there and admirals that if you looked at
him and say, there's no way that guy's will warrior,
but he's a meat eating operator, you know. But if
people show up and there's an awkwardness there and you
look at them and you say, I would never have
a beer with this person, then you're going to take
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an extra look at that person if you know that
they're in an area where there's a lot of this
ideological push like, for instance, the military bands, the Navy band.
I know somebody that's in there. They said, it is
like the Department of Education. They hate the president, they're
far left, and they really are a money vacuum. Should
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I believe it should be gone if that's the case.
So I think it's going to give them an opportunity
to look at these people from the top. At the
same time, Pete is I should say the Secretary of
War is I make the same mistake. He's changing the
standards for recruitment and what people have to do. That's
changing the short term and long term out look of
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the Department of War. The same thing things have happened
with the FBI and all these other agencies. They need
to look at these people face to face and say
this is not right. There's something off here, and when
they look into their background they will they'll find it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It is kind of funny because Sam Stein with am
SNB Suite m SMBC tweeted that heg Seth called the
generals into fagime because he you know, he's obviously telling
them all that they have to meet certain fitness standards
regardless of rank. Do you think then, you know, obviously, uh,
you know, Secretary heg Seth was a very controversial choice,
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came under an immensement, probably like the most scrutiny out
of any of maybe outside of RF Cave Junior, but
definitely one of the most scrutinized cabinet picks from President Trump.
Do you do you think looking at this, then maybe
it was you know, a positive thing to bring someone
from the outs, uh, Like if he had promoted like
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a general or something, would they be able to sort
of make these changes and to sort of bring about
this needed disruption.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, I'll tell you it's interesting because we look in
the Bible and we get examples of this all the time.
You know, God takes some people who've had the most
destruction in their lives and he uses them and molds them.
And I think that when Pete was chosen based on
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rumors and facts, I didn't think he was the right person.
But there's certain aspects that I believe he would have
and is making a success out of his being appointed in.
One of those things is he's prior service. He wasn't
too high ranking in that service, which means that because
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once you get past the rank of six that's officer
level six levels in the Navy, that would be a captain.
Once you get above that level, it becomes very political
that because admiral is next after that. So I believe
that would be a colonel in the army. So once
you get above that, then you are pulled up. You
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don't succeed up and when you're pulled up, and I
think that would be something that I would like to
see Pete changes. You need to have real successes in
order to become a general or an admiral. At this point,
it's basically you may have some good things that you did,
but it's really did you tie your not to the
right person and they're going to pull you up, because
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just like I was talking about with the agencies, the
general's game is the same. It's a mafia of people.
Maybe not as far left, but as we've seen the
first administration with President Trump. It was filled with these people,
and so they all got there because they either did
what they were told or because they had the same ideology,
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and so they were pulled up by the the other
generals and admirals. So I think it was good that
Pete wasn't that high ranking.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And look, I think.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Pete is the kind of guy that says, you know,
screw it, I'm going to do what needs to be done.
And that is despite whatever doubt I had, that is
the one quality that we needed, and we needed somebody
that was going to say that I have the same
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vision as President Trump that this stuff is destroyed and
we need to rid it of these cancers within. And
Pete doesn't give a crap. He's going to do it.
And you see what happened. This is what's crazy. You
see what happens when somebody does that right, the system
folds underneath them. And that's what Patel and Bondi and
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all these other agencies leaders need to realize is that
if you play patty cakes with a with a lion,
it's going to eat you. And that's what the Left
is in these agencies. They own these agencies, and if
they play patty cakes with them they're going to get
in three years there the left is still going to
own these agencies. That's what Pete has not done. He's
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not playing patty cake. And look how look what happens
the the do O uh, the Department of War, the
DOW is now responding like these people are afraid. And
that's where you need to have that lion. You know,
if you want to boop a line on the face,
you better make sure it's afraid and it's caged.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And that's what That's what I believe Pete has done.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You know, we're also seeing increased recruiting numbers too, which
is good because we need guys like you know, you
former Navy seal. You know, we need these big, strong
guys signing up to server military.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And I agree.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You know, I imagine if you're you know, having drag
queens out there, that doesn't really uh you know, encourage
uh these fighters to want to sign up and serve
that kind of military, and I doesn't really speak to them.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So good thing.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
We're seeing changes in that as well. You know, I
wanted to ask you about sort of like this increase
political violence we're saying. You know, we saw the horrific
assassination of Charley Kirk, which was just you know, I'm
still just hurting from that, as we all are. And
then just most recently, this attack on an LDS church
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in Michigan, which seems like a pretty sophisticated attack, you know,
and in terms of like the plowing into it with
this car, the arson, the firing. I guess what do
you sing in this political violence? Does this seem like
an increase to you as someone who you know used
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to serve in the FBI or kind of like what what?
What are your takeaways? And you know, when then you
also have the attack on the ice facility in Dallas,
So I guess what are you seeing right now in
sort of the political environment in terms of violence.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
So for a long time, what we saw that So
there's been an evolution and this type of violence that
we're seeing. So gang violence has been around for I
mean thirty forty fifty years, where it's gotten to the
point where it's the inner city is that dangerous that
you could be shot and killed. There was a defining
(22:29):
moment and I'm not sure when that was where that
type of violence started, and that's really where the bulk
of mass shootings occur is in gang violence throughout the
inner cities of the United States.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
A lot of it has to do with the way
that DC.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Has gone downhill, and you see as President Trump brought
in the troops and all these agencies, it was very
easy to clean a lot of that stuff up, still
being cleaned up, but very easy to make big changes.
So we know that inner city mass shootings occurred because
the left got into power, not just the left but
mainly the left, but also politicians who don't really care
(23:08):
to clean those things up. So you saw an evolution
of it getting worse and worse. Well, now you see
the same if you step back and you look, you
can see an evolution of leftist verbiage and then leftists
grooming and indoctrination. And then after that you started to
(23:30):
see people that weren't saying I'm a leftist, but they
were saying, I am confused about my gender, or I
got you know, was bullied at school, and so they're
going out and they're shooting up schools. Right, So that's
an evolution because those people.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
There just wasn't.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That many people who were confused about their gender, and
there were always people who were bullied, but it wasn't
the same type of bullying as it is now with
social media and also with the Department of Education telling
people that they are victims. You're either a victim of
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your gender or you're a victim of being bullied, and
so they created and groomed a victim mentality into all
these young people. So you started to see those people
react because of their grooming. But now what you're starting
to see are people that are taking up weapons and
committing acts of violence based on the fact that they
(24:33):
identify as a leftist, not as just somebody who's confused.
It's always they may be transgender, but they're also they
hate Trump or they hate the Church. And so it
follows along the same path as the first and second
antifada in Gaza, where Hamas.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Did the same thing.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
They indoctrinate these people, they take over these locations, they
groomed them into verbal violence and then throwing rocks, and
the next thing you know, they're carrying out massive terrorist attacks.
That is what's happening here, but it's just going much quicker,
and so I think we can clearly see that this
(25:18):
ideology has.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Pushed all of these non inner.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
City violent people or people into becoming a coordinated, violent
system of attacks. And I think also the other odd
thing here is that many of these things that we've
seen occurred, whether they're ideological or whether they are just
(25:45):
individuals that are confused about life. We're seeing veterans shoot
up and blow up things New Year's Date. Both of
those individuals that carried out two different types of attacks
were veterans. One was Special Forces and he just wanted
to kill himself in a you know, go out in
(26:05):
a bang of glory for some weird delusional reason. So
the other guy was associated with fundamental Islam. So now
we're starting to see all these people who are transgender
with specific engravings on their bullets, writings on their magazines
and their guns. That's an evolutionary tactic of basically spreading
(26:28):
fear and intimidation through their violence. And so I think
we have and I think the Bureau has enough to
start looking into where is this coming from? The military
stuff is odd because these people are acting this stuff out.
And I don't think the guy with the Mormon Church
(26:49):
is probably going to be found to be a leftist.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I don't know about the guy that was offshore.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Both of those things sound like they had beefs with
delusional or otherwise they did not like that specific group
and so they went after them. But still the act
of multi pronged attacks or shooting up a restaurant, that
is not something that veterans would ever do before. So
there's something's changed there. But with the left and where
that's concerned, I believe that there's enough evidence to start
(27:17):
an investigation just to look into what type of grooming
has happened and how it's occurred in who's carried it out.
And I think if they did the investigation correctly, they
would find that there's a link back to all of
these people that we've talked about the beginning of this show,
the Komi's, the Molers, the Department of Education, all these judges.
(27:41):
It's if you take a step back, Lisa, if I
drew on a hundred foot wall a big mural that
showed all this stuff, but I only let you stand
two inches away from the wall, you're not going to
be able to see it. But when you start to
step back, things become revealed. And that's where we are now.
We could look and see this huge mural of all
these players, and I don't think it's any coincidence that
(28:06):
the judges side with the left, that Mueller, Comy Christy
or Christopher Ray. They all side with the left. The
shooter side with the left, the teacher side with the
left that groomed them. I think this is a system
that needs to be investigated as a whole.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I guess how do you stop it? Then? You know,
because even laying out with like the the church shooter,
and you know, I mean, these are you know, sort
of different kinds of people, different goals and objectives. So
it's like, how do you stop this? How do you
stop that?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's a good question, and the main answer is the
one that nobody wants to hear, is that in order
to stop each individual attack that's going to come down
to the people, the citizens, You're going to have to
do threat assessments of your church. You're going to have
to hire companies like you know, I'm in Central America
(29:02):
right now with or South America with a client, and
everywhere we go every day, I do a threat assessment
before we go there, you know, and I know, from
an attacker's point of view, who would attack based on
historical things that are happening. The avenue approach that they
would that they would use, the type of attack, when
would be the best time to do it, and where
(29:26):
would be the best place to carry it out. I
do that every day, and all my other operators that
work for me, they're on different entertainment tours and things,
and they're doing those things every day. Last in the
past two years, we've did over a thousand arenas where
we did these threat assessments. And I know when I
(29:46):
go in there because I can look at the way
that their security is laid out, that they have not
done these threat assessments. I could go to any school
right now and tell you that they most likely.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I've actually had a school.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Tell me they didn't want to spend the money that
I was going to charge them, which wasn't an exuberant
amount on They weren't going to spend the money on
a threat assessment to bring them in. They were going
to spend it on building planters for beautification of the school.
And then literally six months later, not that school, but
about fifty miles away a school had a shooting. So
they're not interested in doing these threat assessments, and that's
(30:22):
what needs to happen. Schools churches, malls. Yeah, some people
still go to malls, stadiums, and arenas, all entertainment venues
and targets that maybe have some type of political nature
to them. People need to realize parades, for instance, that's
(30:42):
what I was looking for. They need to start doing
better threat assessments and realize you don't have to buy
the latest and greatest security equipment. You can park cars
in a certain place and people won't be able to
drive a vehicle in there, for instance, and crash into
a building, set it on fire. You can hire or
not even higher. You can have volunteers from the church armed.
(31:05):
Lots of churches have armed security that are there.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
People that go to.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Church there and they they take former military or law
enforcement or even people just get their concealed weapons carry
and they go and they practice and come in there
and they are their security. They while the sermons happening,
they're sitting out front looking for anything and.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
That that has actually stopped some of these attacks.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So in order to stop the individual attacks, it's we
the people are going to have to step up to
the plate. If but in order to stop the movement,
that's going to be the government and really the Stopping
the attacks is the easy part. Stopping the movement is
the hard part. And that's where President Trump, his agency leaders,
(31:52):
and all these people who work for these agencies should
start stepping forward and saying I disagree with this totally.
You know that I can see that people are getting
pushed forward because of their gender or because of their sexuality,
and I would be I would start making a fuss
about it.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Quick commercial break.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
If you like what you're hearing police shore on social media,
or send it to a friend or family member. Obviously,
it's challenging with like the snipers and stuff because like
you know, ice facilities are pretty fortified, right so or
you know, Charlie Kirk had security, you know, and so
it's ob Charlie.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Can I say something about that yet? And I haven't
said this before. Charlie Kirk's security failed, and so did
that police department. That was an utter failure that Lisa.
That guy got on the roof basically by walking through
a parking lot or a parking deck, across a walkway
and just step down onto the roof, and nobody secured
(32:44):
that he didn't access the door. That's from what I'm
looking at based on the the route that the shooter
took to get there. Walking that we've seen there is
a walkway that goes right over to the roof and
then turns and goes down steps. All he had to
do was just step over this wire fence and he
could have been right on the roof. Charlie's security failed
(33:08):
and they did not have a drone up. They didn't
have anybody with binoculars looking and standing there and looking tough.
And I didn't know Charlie well, but I met him.
And it's infuriating to me because Lisa. If I had
been in charge of that security, Charlie would still be
alive because I simply would have either put somebody on
that high area that could have seen those things happening,
(33:31):
or I would have had a drone up. And security
has to start looking at things differently.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Again. I do this every day.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I don't rely on the police department or the security
at the venue to do my job. I do it,
and I make sure that if I can mitigate the circumstance,
I will.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But if I have to get.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
My client out of there, I'm going to know why,
and I'm going to get him out of there, probably
before the venue security or the police do.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
And then before we go, you know, labeling Antifa terrorist organization?
Is that the path forward of you know, labeling some
of these these groups as you know, terrorist organizations and
sort of expanding that it is. Do you think that'll
make a difference?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I absolutely do because labeling them, well, this is what's
going to make the difference.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You can label a chick and a dog.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But if you don't go investigate it and you don't
start making arrest, it doesn't matter if they're clucking or barking,
you know, nothing's gonna happen. So you have to The
FBI has to go after these people. We should already
be hearing about massive arrests of Antifa. They have a
headquarters in Austin. We know it's there, so why aren't
(34:45):
that investigation is as soon as they are labeled that
they should have a full squad looking at all the
attacks that they have carried out, whether it's hitting somebody
with a lock or like when they chased Andy No
into a into a room and said they were going
to kill him. All of these people, all of these
groups are affiliated. They fly all over the place, they
(35:05):
get funded, they have gear. I've seen them in Washington,
d C. I've seen them all over the place where
they have better gear than law enforcement sometimes and uniformed
gear and their movements. I knew a guy that was
protecting I forget the guy's name, but he was in
(35:26):
doing a speech at Berkeley and the violence got out
of hand and so they were waiting to move him
and the guy who was Special Forces, he went up
on the roof to see where they could see their
route and he said what he watched was uniformed and
standardized by these Antifa people, and he had never seen
that taught in the US military. So where are they
(35:47):
getting their standards? Where are they getting their tactics? And
those are things that I think if the Bureau and
the Intelligence services start digging into, we're going to see
that there's nation states that are connected, and we're going
to see that there's big money people and politicians.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
This needs to go forward.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I think ANTIFA making them a terrorist designated them to
terrorist unit. This could lead to, just like Comy, two
great big, huge cases and could really shift the way
things are going.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
In this nation.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Jonathan Gilly appreciate you joining the show. Thanks for making
the time.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You got it Lisa, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
That was Jonathan Gilliam. Appreciate him for making the time
to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home
for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen
throughout the week. I want to thank John Cassio, my producer,
for putting the show together.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
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