Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz break down the latest government shutdown and why many Americans seem unfazed by it. They examine the shortcomings of Obamacare, the hidden costs of government subsidies, and how these policies continue to shape healthcare. The discussion then turns global, with a look at Donald Trump’s 20-point Middle East peace plan and the obstacles posed by Hamas. Rounding out the conversation, they explore the debate over cousin marriage in the UK, what it reveals about cultural change, and the broader social implications. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey guys, we are back on Normally the show with
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I Ammerica thinks, and I'm Carol Markowitz, and we are
in a government shutdown, Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Can you feel the fear in the streets.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We are indeed in a government shutdown. Look, people don't
really care that much about them anymore. Yeah, because it
happens pretty often, and it usually gets repaired pretty quickly,
and it can cause inconvenience for people.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
But the many, like.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Actually problematic political things are usually sort of sequestered from
the shutdown, so that that stuff goes out, like social Security.
I don't think anyone's going to notice or remember or
care by twenty twenty six that this happened. They will remember, Yeah,
in Virginia during this governor's race. I do think that
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is a is a possible political cost.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Our friend Sonny Wright tweeted the government is shut down,
except they'll continue to collect tax and continue to send
out welfare, and most federal employees will continue to work,
and all government functions considered essential will continue uninterrupted, and all.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Bureaucrats will get back pay.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We've sent five social media interns home and closed the
bathrooms at some national parks. Is what I'm getting at,
which is, yeah, pretty much what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Well, and here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Even at this point, the many journalists have had to
admit that, like, Republicans gave Democrats what they always ask for, yep,
which is called a clean continuing resolution, a clean CR.
That means that for a brief period of time, you
extend the current level of funding for the government without
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any partisan Christmas tree of the bill. So the House
passes that, it goes to the Senate. The Senate is
welcome to pass a clean CR and there won't be
a shutdown, right, But the Democrats in the Senate refused
to do so, except for a couple who they did
lose on that vote, who went the Republican way and
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voted for the funding bill. And Republicans in the House,
i mean Democrats in the House were making this big.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Fuss like where are Republicans They've adjourned. It's like, yeah,
because they did their job.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Republicans in the House did their job and passed it
over to the Senate, and the Senate chose not to
The Democrats there chose not to do that, so they
did shut down. The problem for Democrats is that they
are negotiating and doing battle over a shutdown, which they
don't want because they love government to operate in right
all the ways and even in ways it doesn't operate, and.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Just pay it for that anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Right, Yeah, they're negotiating with people who don't care.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Right, Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
The Washington Post editorial board has a shutdown column today
and they say left wing Democrats, like the Freedom Caucus
before them, enter the shutdown in a position of weakness.
President Donald Trump and his Budget director Russell Vote now
have extraordinary authority to choose which agencies to close, what's
bending to prioritize, and even which government workers to lay off.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
As Trump warned.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
On Tuesday, we can do things during the shutdown.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That are irreversible.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Whoopsie, you don't think RUSS has a plan for this. Yeah,
RUSS has a plan for this.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Russ Bisha has been thinking about this for a decade, yep.
And the fact is, yes, they can make changes. They
can fire people instead of furlowing them. They can get
rid of bureaucrats that they don't want. They could later
replace those bureaucrats with their bureaucrats, which is a real
weakness of Republicans from the past is that the federal
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government is staffed with largely left leaning bureaucrats, so this
is like not a great plan.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
The reason that they went forward with.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
The shutdown, and again I don't think it's going to
last super long because they already lost some Democrats in
that first vote. The reason they did it is because
when Schumer past a continuing resolution in the spring, he
got it from the left base, and he's afraid that
he's going to get taken out in a primary if
he doesn't fight, fight, fight hard enough.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, that's definitely on Schumer's mind. Matt Whitlock of Ten
Minute Drill, who has guest hosted on normally in the past,
had a really great summary of what is happening and
how crazy the Democrats have gotten.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Let's roll that clip.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Democrats did the interesting strategy of laying out the fact
that they would accept blame for this because their base
was itching for a fight with President Trump, so they
were supportive of running into a government shutdown. But what
we've seen since then, in the last two weeks is
Democrat leaders getting cold feet. The facts here are this
is a clean continuing resolution. It follows on spending plans
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that Democrats had previously voted for thirteen times with nothing
new added to it. But a part of Democrats' strategy
and trying to reframe this and try and potentially blame Republicans,
has been to bring in other issues, for example, healthcare
subsidies set to expire at the end of the year.
Republicans have said we can negotiate those ahead of the
end of the year, but Democrats adding them into this
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debate right now is just an effort to try and
save face and reframe this debate. The bottom line that
we all understand here is the fact that Democrats have
followed their base as they've led them to their lowest
approval rating in history. But the other most important dynamic
to understand here is that as Democrats have painted themselves
into this corner, their rhetoric has made it more difficult
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for their leadership to find any kind of exit strategy.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
Here's Chris Murphy, we have no moral obligation to pay
the bills for democracy's destructions.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
So as you hear that kind of insane rhetoric from
Chris Murphy, remember he has voted for this budget thirteen times.
So when he says it funds the destruction of our
democracy according to his own rules, he has voted to
destroy democracy thirteen times. Again, absurd, cartoonish nonsense, but it
highlights the fact the Democrats have painted themselves into a
very tough corner that any sort of solution they get
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to get out of this, they're going to get attacked
by their own base, because people like Chris Murphy and
AOC have said that they're going to fund the destruction
of our democracy.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
A word on this healthcare fight, because unlike most people
who cover the healthcare fights and covered Obamacare, I have
been subject to Obamacare. I've had to be in the marketplace,
and I predicted everything that would happen to me in
the marketplace, including losing my plan four different times.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And that my premiums would go up, and you.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Could have predicted my out of pocket costs would go
up and all that stuff would happen, and that we
would you enter this death spiral in the.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Marketplaces that would make everything worse for everyone. And in fact,
that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And the way that Democrats have decided to solve the
fact that Obamacare did exactly what its critics predicted it
would do, is that they have thrown subsidies at the marketplace. Now,
the subsidies, as in any other area where government subsidizes,
makes every one's stuff more expensive and just tries to
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hide the fact that it's more expensive with all your money.
So during COVID the Biden administration, people were like, let's
make more subsidies for Obamacare so that we can cover
this up in perpetuity.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
But what they did was say, oh, it's just temporary,
just temperary. Yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, we're gonna give forty billion a year to insurance companies.
But it's totally temporary because we're an emergency, right, they
set it to expire. It's supposed to expire. Now they
don't want it to expire because they love government spending
and they don't want people to see what their subsidies
were hiding, which is like that Obamacare didn't work and
everyone's premiums are.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Going up, and so they want to extend this stuff.
But it is crap.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And by the way, part of the way they extended
it in the past is to get rid of citizenship,
like checking requirements to get rid of the requirements for
checking your income, so you end up with phantom rollies,
fraudulent enrollies, double enrollies, illegal enrollies in all these things
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so that they can go, look how many people were.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Covering, right, and how that drives up the price for everybody.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It's just such an extension of every failure of Obamacare,
and they want to do it on your dime, and
they want to act like it's solving a problem, when
in fact it is making the problem worse.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Absolutely, And by the way, also one more thing, when
they say, oh, this thing about illegal immigrants is not real,
first of all, check all the medicaid press releases from
states like New York and states like Oregon that say
come on down and get your free insurance illegal immigrants.
Check the tape on all the Democrats saying yes, we would.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Like to provide that.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, yes, we'd like to provide that.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And then follow the money and how they got rid
of verification requirements.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And it just they expect American people not to care
that this is what they want to fund.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And American people do care.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And I think the Republicans don't often find themselves in
the popular position where the media is concerned. But they're
in that position right now because the Democrats have gotten
so fringy, and I.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Don't know how does this end.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Does it end with the Democrats bending well?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
As Matt notes, their rhetoric makes it really hard for
me to do so. But I think, look, there's already
a couple of Democrats who are like, what are we
doing here? And I think it's more painful for them
for the government to be shut down than it is
for Republicans who have kind of like learned.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
To roll through these things.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And look, now it will have the effect of possibly
changing the Virginia governor's race because Virginia is very responsive
to federal action, and if a bunch of people are fired,
that will give fuel to Alison Abbi el Spamberger, who
is the Democrat running over wins some seers.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So I think that's a risk.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
When this race had been getting very tight, I saw
one point past three points. That's a risk, And in
twenty thirteen that did change the race in Virginia when
the Ted Cruz Obamacare shut down happened back then. So
we'll see, But I just don't know how long they're
going to sit around and have their precious government closed.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It could be tough for them.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
We'll be right back on normally where we will talk
Donald Trump's twenty point.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Plan for peace in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And then we'll get to how you shouldn't marry your
first cousin.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But first, it was nearly two years ago that terrorists
murdered more than twelve hundred inno cent Israelis and took
two hundred and fifty hostages.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Today it seems as if the.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Cries of the dead and dying have been drowned out
by shouts of anti Semitic hatred and the most brutal
attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust has been
forgotten in some places. Yet is the world looks away?
A light shines in the darkness. It's a movement of
love and support for the people of Israel called Flags
of Fellowship, and it's organized by the International Fellowship of
Christians and Jews. And October fifth, right around the corner
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across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag and honor
and solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty twenty three.
And they're grieving families. I know you'll want to be
a part of this. To get more information about how
you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the
Fellowship online at IFCJ dot org.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
That's IFCJ dot org. We'll have more coming up on normally.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Right after this, we are back on normally to talk
Donald Trump's twenty point plan on Israel. And when the
plan first hit, I was a little bit on edge
about it because Qatar doesn't really seem like a friendly
force to either the United States or to Israel, and
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yet they're super involved in this plan making. But I
am feeling better about it. I read through the twenty points,
I think that Israel. I look, I'm pro Israel to me,
I read this through a pro Israel lens. But I
also want the Palestinians to have a sane and normal future,
which seems constantly out of reach because of their supporters.
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And right now, the quote unquote supporters of the Palestinians
in the West are telling them to reject this peace plan,
and I find that to just be galling.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Especially tell yeah, really once.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Who are like it's a genocide, don't accept the ceasefire
like it really you know, kind of could only be
one of the other.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Tom Cotton tweeted President Trump's peace.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Plan will end the war in Gaza. Arab states are
in Israel. Is in Dems like Bernie Sanders and Chris
van Holland have spent years vilifying Israel and demanding an
end of the war, but now they're silent. They should
back this peace plan, and I agree with.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
That they should, and they should encourage their friends on
the progressive left to encourage their friends in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Maybe to do that, to do that. Yeah, because this
is uh.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I think this is an illustration of how unconventional thinking
on the Middle East can change the game. This is
one of the things I really like about Donald Trump,
even when I was more critical of Donald Trump. The
Abraham Accords were a result of breaking from this stupid
conventional wisdom that the entire foreign policy diplomatic brigade had
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had for all these years. And he was like, maybe
let's just do it differently.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Right, Maybe let's not do any of this anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Maybe let's move the embassy and it won't cause World
War three.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And I think that Israel, out of necessity, has been
incredibly strong and smart in many many ways during this war,
including going after Hamas folks in Gutter, which changes the
calculation on what Gutter needs to do on the world stage.
They're not just sitting over there all pristine anymore. Yeah,
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We're going to put your harmasc guys and your terrorists
and high rises and give them room service. Not impervious anymore.
How about you come along and try to make this
work right?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Dan Seignior, who is the author of Startup Nation and
he's the host of the podcast Call Me Back. I
consider him a very sober voice on everything that's going
on over there. He says he's hopeful and says this
deal is different from the others.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Let's roll that clip.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Many of you have asked, why won't this just fall
into the same pattern we've seen in the past where
everyone agrees to it, including Hamas, or Hamas agrees to
in principle, and then Hamas tries to negotiate or over
negotiate and put forward unreasonable demands and then the whole
thing falls apart. That could happen, it's certainly been the pattern.
Why I think this time is different one the Trump factor.
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President Trump is leaning into this in a way that
he's not leaned into any deal in the past. He's
putting his name on it. He's putting his name and
his office in an official role in the implementation of
the deal and the implementation of the day After plan,
and that sends a big message. It raises the stakes.
It shows that he's spending political capital big time in
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a region where he has a lot of political capital
and a lot of relationships. The Arab capitals and Turkey
have to live with Trump for the next three and
a half years. This is not a president who, in
the last gasps of his administration while he's walking out
the door, is trying to secure a legacy through peace processing.
This is a president who these capitals throughout the Middle
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East are going to have to live with for the
next three plus years, which we may explain why you
have Trump, Natanya, who basically the entirety of the air world,
plus Turkey and most of Europe all lined up together
on one side. Who would have thought and they're all
pointing at Hamas saying do the deal.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There's no other way to look at it as other
than Trump has done something pretty miraculous here, and I
hope that Hamas takes this deal. I hope that Israel
succeeds in getting their people back.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Look, you know, we all want.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Peace, and the idea that this war should end is
one that you know, all.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Of us feel deeply.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I hope that the Palestinians can throw from us out
and start again with a new leadership.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Sometimes I'm hopeful, other times less. This deal gives them
a chance, and I hope that they take it.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, I hope so too.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It gives Israel, if it worked as planned, hostages back.
It gives them buffer zones that would make them feel
comfortable as the day after plans are implemented in Gaza.
It gives the Arab States a stake in making that work.
And you'll notice there was no daylight on stage between
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net and Yahoo and Trump.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I did notice that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
In the past Trump has sort of had some words
about like, well, things don't look great in Gaza, and
how can we work on the food situation? You know,
things like that where he got sort of gassed up
by that little Siah about yeah, about the food. And
in this case he was like, nah, you got to
take my deal or else they get to do whatever
they want.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah, And I appreciate that about Trump, I really do.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I think he sees this clearly.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And look, there's nobody that goes to Israel and walks
away being like these people don't want peace with the Palestinians.
Every Israeli I know, left and right, wants peace with
the Palestinians.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And as we've noted many times before, perhaps the people
most invested in proactive about seeking peace were killed. Yeven
those folks were out there like flying kites and sending
sweet messages and making music about peace yep on October sixth,
and they wanted peace on October sixth, and then October seventh.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You and I were at the Kubwit scene where that happened.
We saw they had their homes were still preserved with
all the peaceful messages, and they.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Were all murdered. So yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Think we're in a better change place than these past deals.
And by the way, as you pointed out the beginning
of the conversation, but we should reiterate, mass has been
the one that has rejected all my deals.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Even though by.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The way, they are getting Hamas terrorists out of Israeli
jails in exchange, they keep rejecting them, not Israel.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, right, And the concern right now is that Hamas
is going to reject it. It's Israel has already accepted it.
All the Arab states are for it. Everybody's just waiting
to hear what Hamas is going to do. You know,
it's hard to think like a terrorist group. But the
reason that people don't think that they're going to accept
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it is because the hostages are their only leverage at
this point, and if you give back the hostages, they
don't have any So.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's it's really tough.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It's it really becomes a question of do they want
to see this war continue? And are the Palestinians going
to rise up against Tramas and say no more?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And they have tried at times, by the way, and
we will get video occasionally of Palestinian civilians being mowed
down by Tamas for daring to speak out. By the way,
those atrocities don't get a lot of coverage now, they
don't know where we are in press. We don't spend
a lot of time amping up the gosen street of
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people who would like to push back on Hamas.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And maybe we should do more of that. Guys that'd
be good.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, we'll be right back with more on normally and
kissing cousins. We are back on normally and the UK
is really losing it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I don't know what is going on.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Over there, but their National Health Service a few days
ago published a report saying that first cousin marriage are
actually not that big a deal, and you know, overlooking
previous thinking on the subject. They wrote should the UK
government ban first cousin marriage?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And they said that there were.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Some benefits to first cousin marriage, including stronger extended family
support systems and economic advantages because you share grandparents, that's
why you have a closer and stronger extended family support system.
Doesn't make it not super gross.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But also what about the fact that and nobody knows
this better than people who have royalty and Britain's right
at the top of that list the increased risk of
inherited diseases.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
There's just a lot of problems with marrying your cousin.
I say, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, I agree. Look, I'm from Alabama and so I'm
allowed to say this. I was born there, guys. Yeah,
even Alabama is like xnay on the US and K
marrying it's not and like, look, this is a this
is an indication, they said, now they've they've removed this
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post right because of outage. It was published by accidents,
publish my mistake. Nonetheless, like we stand by some of
these facts about first cousin marriage. This is an indication
that culturally the UK is succumbing to incoming immigration standards yep,
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one of which includes a lot more cousin marriage.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Which is a thing from Alabama, which you're together, not
from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
This is the thing you're not allowed to say, which
is why the UK is saying and its official capacity
cousin marriage good, which strikes me as like in the
cycle of like the things not happening and if it's happening,
it's not a big deal.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Actually it's happening and it's good.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, right right, we are at that stage with the
cousin marying.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, it's super weird. The Tories, that's the Conservative party.
They accused Starmer of taking the need to damaging and
oppressive cultural practices.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That's really what it is, right, It's the bending.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Your culture to the incoming culture.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And again, look, you know I made the joke about royalty,
but you know, yes, we know that in royalty there
has been a lot of cousin marriage and so it's
not that Britain didn't have some of this before, but
they are adjusting to a cultural shift in their own country.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Sometimes I think that.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
They should fight back a little harder against allowing this
kind of thing and not.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Just bend over.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
And I know that there's a movement for that in England.
Tommy Robinson very famously is leading these marches, but just
the NHS involvement, and this is the ickiest part for me.
It's like it's not enough to just be like we're
going to look the other way because look, it's legal
in certain states as well.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I'm not saying that this this is out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
It's the valorizing up yeah, yeah, and this is this
is the thing that's happened with.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Several scandals in the UK is that authorities look the
other way. In this case, it's less like overtly hurtful
than other like fresh violence. They look the other way.
They sweep it under the rug. They don't admit that
it's happening, because in order to admit that it's happening,
you have to say that this cultural standard is different
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than the UK cultural standard and it's bad. Yeah, that's
the thing you have to say. And they are not
willing to say that because the woke mindset and the
left mindset in Europe and in the UK is all
these things are equal.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Right, we can't. We're certainly not superior.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, even though like, yeah, in some cases the cultural
standard is better here guys, right.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Labor officials have argued that the band insensitively targets certain
cultures like British Pakistanis where in family.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Marriages are more common.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Don't marry your cousin no matter what nationality or race,
you are no cousin marriage.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, just we have to maintain our ability to discern things, guys.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Let's do that.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I Ammerica thinks, and I'm Carol Markowitz, and we are
in a government shutdown, Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Can you feel the fear in the streets.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We are indeed in a government shutdown. Look, people don't
really care that much about them anymore. Yeah, because it
happens pretty often, and it usually gets repaired pretty quickly,
and it can cause inconvenience for people.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
But the many, like.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Actually problematic political things are usually sort of sequestered from
the shutdown, so that that stuff goes out, like social Security.
I don't think anyone's going to notice or remember or
care by twenty twenty six that this happened. They will remember, Yeah,
in Virginia during this governor's race. I do think that
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is a is a possible political cost.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Our friend Sonny Wright tweeted the government is shut down,
except they'll continue to collect tax and continue to send
out welfare, and most federal employees will continue to work,
and all government functions considered essential will continue uninterrupted, and all.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Bureaucrats will get back pay.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We've sent five social media interns home and closed the
bathrooms at some national parks. Is what I'm getting at,
which is, yeah, pretty much what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Well, and here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Even at this point, the many journalists have had to
admit that, like, Republicans gave Democrats what they always ask for, yep,
which is called a clean continuing resolution, a clean CR.
That means that for a brief period of time, you
extend the current level of funding for the government without
(01:43):
any partisan Christmas tree of the bill. So the House
passes that, it goes to the Senate. The Senate is
welcome to pass a clean CR and there won't be
a shutdown, right, But the Democrats in the Senate refused
to do so, except for a couple who they did
lose on that vote, who went the Republican way and
(02:04):
voted for the funding bill. And Republicans in the House,
i mean Democrats in the House were making this big.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Fuss like where are Republicans They've adjourned. It's like, yeah,
because they did their job.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Republicans in the House did their job and passed it
over to the Senate, and the Senate chose not to
The Democrats there chose not to do that, so they
did shut down. The problem for Democrats is that they
are negotiating and doing battle over a shutdown, which they
don't want because they love government to operate in right
all the ways and even in ways it doesn't operate, and.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Just pay it for that anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Right, Yeah, they're negotiating with people who don't care.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Right, Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
The Washington Post editorial board has a shutdown column today
and they say left wing Democrats, like the Freedom Caucus
before them, enter the shutdown in a position of weakness.
President Donald Trump and his Budget director Russell Vote now
have extraordinary authority to choose which agencies to close, what's
bending to prioritize, and even which government workers to lay off.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
As Trump warned.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
On Tuesday, we can do things during the shutdown.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That are irreversible.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Whoopsie, you don't think RUSS has a plan for this. Yeah,
RUSS has a plan for this.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Russ Bisha has been thinking about this for a decade, yep.
And the fact is, yes, they can make changes. They
can fire people instead of furlowing them. They can get
rid of bureaucrats that they don't want. They could later
replace those bureaucrats with their bureaucrats, which is a real
weakness of Republicans from the past is that the federal
(03:42):
government is staffed with largely left leaning bureaucrats, so this
is like not a great plan.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
The reason that they went forward with.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
The shutdown, and again I don't think it's going to
last super long because they already lost some Democrats in
that first vote. The reason they did it is because
when Schumer past a continuing resolution in the spring, he
got it from the left base, and he's afraid that
he's going to get taken out in a primary if
he doesn't fight, fight, fight hard enough.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, that's definitely on Schumer's mind. Matt Whitlock of Ten
Minute Drill, who has guest hosted on normally in the past,
had a really great summary of what is happening and
how crazy the Democrats have gotten.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Let's roll that clip.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Democrats did the interesting strategy of laying out the fact
that they would accept blame for this because their base
was itching for a fight with President Trump, so they
were supportive of running into a government shutdown. But what
we've seen since then, in the last two weeks is
Democrat leaders getting cold feet. The facts here are this
is a clean continuing resolution. It follows on spending plans
(04:48):
that Democrats had previously voted for thirteen times with nothing
new added to it. But a part of Democrats' strategy
and trying to reframe this and try and potentially blame Republicans,
has been to bring in other issues, for example, healthcare
subsidies set to expire at the end of the year.
Republicans have said we can negotiate those ahead of the
end of the year, but Democrats adding them into this
(05:09):
debate right now is just an effort to try and
save face and reframe this debate. The bottom line that
we all understand here is the fact that Democrats have
followed their base as they've led them to their lowest
approval rating in history. But the other most important dynamic
to understand here is that as Democrats have painted themselves
into this corner, their rhetoric has made it more difficult
(05:31):
for their leadership to find any kind of exit strategy.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
Here's Chris Murphy, we have no moral obligation to pay
the bills for democracy's destructions.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
So as you hear that kind of insane rhetoric from
Chris Murphy, remember he has voted for this budget thirteen times.
So when he says it funds the destruction of our
democracy according to his own rules, he has voted to
destroy democracy thirteen times. Again, absurd, cartoonish nonsense, but it
highlights the fact the Democrats have painted themselves into a
very tough corner that any sort of solution they get
(06:01):
to get out of this, they're going to get attacked
by their own base, because people like Chris Murphy and
AOC have said that they're going to fund the destruction
of our democracy.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
A word on this healthcare fight, because unlike most people
who cover the healthcare fights and covered Obamacare, I have
been subject to Obamacare. I've had to be in the marketplace,
and I predicted everything that would happen to me in
the marketplace, including losing my plan four different times.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And that my premiums would go up, and you.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Could have predicted my out of pocket costs would go
up and all that stuff would happen, and that we
would you enter this death spiral in the.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Marketplaces that would make everything worse for everyone. And in fact,
that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And the way that Democrats have decided to solve the
fact that Obamacare did exactly what its critics predicted it
would do, is that they have thrown subsidies at the marketplace. Now,
the subsidies, as in any other area where government subsidizes,
makes every one's stuff more expensive and just tries to
(07:03):
hide the fact that it's more expensive with all your money.
So during COVID the Biden administration, people were like, let's
make more subsidies for Obamacare so that we can cover
this up in perpetuity.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
But what they did was say, oh, it's just temporary,
just temperary. Yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, we're gonna give forty billion a year to insurance companies.
But it's totally temporary because we're an emergency, right, they
set it to expire. It's supposed to expire. Now they
don't want it to expire because they love government spending
and they don't want people to see what their subsidies
were hiding, which is like that Obamacare didn't work and
everyone's premiums are.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Going up, and so they want to extend this stuff.
But it is crap.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And by the way, part of the way they extended
it in the past is to get rid of citizenship,
like checking requirements to get rid of the requirements for
checking your income, so you end up with phantom rollies,
fraudulent enrollies, double enrollies, illegal enrollies in all these things
(08:06):
so that they can go, look how many people were.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Covering, right, and how that drives up the price for everybody.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It's just such an extension of every failure of Obamacare,
and they want to do it on your dime, and
they want to act like it's solving a problem, when
in fact it is making the problem worse.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Absolutely, And by the way, also one more thing, when
they say, oh, this thing about illegal immigrants is not real,
first of all, check all the medicaid press releases from
states like New York and states like Oregon that say
come on down and get your free insurance illegal immigrants.
Check the tape on all the Democrats saying yes, we would.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Like to provide that.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, yes, we'd like to provide that.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And then follow the money and how they got rid
of verification requirements.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And it just they expect American people not to care
that this is what they want to fund.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And American people do care.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And I think the Republicans don't often find themselves in
the popular position where the media is concerned. But they're
in that position right now because the Democrats have gotten
so fringy, and I.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Don't know how does this end.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Does it end with the Democrats bending well?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
As Matt notes, their rhetoric makes it really hard for
me to do so. But I think, look, there's already
a couple of Democrats who are like, what are we
doing here? And I think it's more painful for them
for the government to be shut down than it is
for Republicans who have kind of like learned.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
To roll through these things.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And look, now it will have the effect of possibly
changing the Virginia governor's race because Virginia is very responsive
to federal action, and if a bunch of people are fired,
that will give fuel to Alison Abbi el Spamberger, who
is the Democrat running over wins some seers.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So I think that's a risk.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
When this race had been getting very tight, I saw
one point past three points. That's a risk, And in
twenty thirteen that did change the race in Virginia when
the Ted Cruz Obamacare shut down happened back then. So
we'll see, But I just don't know how long they're
going to sit around and have their precious government closed.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It could be tough for them.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
We'll be right back on normally where we will talk
Donald Trump's twenty point.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Plan for peace in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And then we'll get to how you shouldn't marry your
first cousin.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But first, it was nearly two years ago that terrorists
murdered more than twelve hundred inno cent Israelis and took
two hundred and fifty hostages.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Today it seems as if the.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Cries of the dead and dying have been drowned out
by shouts of anti Semitic hatred and the most brutal
attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust has been
forgotten in some places. Yet is the world looks away?
A light shines in the darkness. It's a movement of
love and support for the people of Israel called Flags
of Fellowship, and it's organized by the International Fellowship of
Christians and Jews. And October fifth, right around the corner
(11:00):
across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag and honor
and solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty twenty three.
And they're grieving families. I know you'll want to be
a part of this. To get more information about how
you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the
Fellowship online at IFCJ dot org.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
That's IFCJ dot org. We'll have more coming up on normally.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Right after this, we are back on normally to talk
Donald Trump's twenty point plan on Israel. And when the
plan first hit, I was a little bit on edge
about it because Qatar doesn't really seem like a friendly
force to either the United States or to Israel, and
(11:42):
yet they're super involved in this plan making. But I
am feeling better about it. I read through the twenty points,
I think that Israel. I look, I'm pro Israel to me,
I read this through a pro Israel lens. But I
also want the Palestinians to have a sane and normal future,
which seems constantly out of reach because of their supporters.
(12:06):
And right now, the quote unquote supporters of the Palestinians
in the West are telling them to reject this peace plan,
and I find that to just be galling.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Especially tell yeah, really once.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Who are like it's a genocide, don't accept the ceasefire
like it really you know, kind of could only be
one of the other.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Tom Cotton tweeted President Trump's peace.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Plan will end the war in Gaza. Arab states are
in Israel. Is in Dems like Bernie Sanders and Chris
van Holland have spent years vilifying Israel and demanding an
end of the war, but now they're silent. They should
back this peace plan, and I agree with.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
That they should, and they should encourage their friends on
the progressive left to encourage their friends in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Maybe to do that, to do that. Yeah, because this
is uh.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I think this is an illustration of how unconventional thinking
on the Middle East can change the game. This is
one of the things I really like about Donald Trump,
even when I was more critical of Donald Trump. The
Abraham Accords were a result of breaking from this stupid
conventional wisdom that the entire foreign policy diplomatic brigade had
(13:20):
had for all these years. And he was like, maybe
let's just do it differently.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Right, Maybe let's not do any of this anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Maybe let's move the embassy and it won't cause World
War three.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And I think that Israel, out of necessity, has been
incredibly strong and smart in many many ways during this war,
including going after Hamas folks in Gutter, which changes the
calculation on what Gutter needs to do on the world stage.
They're not just sitting over there all pristine anymore. Yeah,
(13:55):
We're going to put your harmasc guys and your terrorists
and high rises and give them room service. Not impervious anymore.
How about you come along and try to make this
work right?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Dan Seignior, who is the author of Startup Nation and
he's the host of the podcast Call Me Back. I
consider him a very sober voice on everything that's going
on over there. He says he's hopeful and says this
deal is different from the others.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Let's roll that clip.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Many of you have asked, why won't this just fall
into the same pattern we've seen in the past where
everyone agrees to it, including Hamas, or Hamas agrees to
in principle, and then Hamas tries to negotiate or over
negotiate and put forward unreasonable demands and then the whole
thing falls apart. That could happen, it's certainly been the pattern.
Why I think this time is different one the Trump factor.
(14:41):
President Trump is leaning into this in a way that
he's not leaned into any deal in the past. He's
putting his name on it. He's putting his name and
his office in an official role in the implementation of
the deal and the implementation of the day After plan,
and that sends a big message. It raises the stakes.
It shows that he's spending political capital big time in
(15:02):
a region where he has a lot of political capital
and a lot of relationships. The Arab capitals and Turkey
have to live with Trump for the next three and
a half years. This is not a president who, in
the last gasps of his administration while he's walking out
the door, is trying to secure a legacy through peace processing.
This is a president who these capitals throughout the Middle
(15:24):
East are going to have to live with for the
next three plus years, which we may explain why you
have Trump, Natanya, who basically the entirety of the air world,
plus Turkey and most of Europe all lined up together
on one side. Who would have thought and they're all
pointing at Hamas saying do the deal.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There's no other way to look at it as other
than Trump has done something pretty miraculous here, and I
hope that Hamas takes this deal. I hope that Israel
succeeds in getting their people back.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Look, you know, we all want.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Peace, and the idea that this war should end is
one that you know, all.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Of us feel deeply.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I hope that the Palestinians can throw from us out
and start again with a new leadership.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Sometimes I'm hopeful, other times less. This deal gives them
a chance, and I hope that they take it.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, I hope so too.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It gives Israel, if it worked as planned, hostages back.
It gives them buffer zones that would make them feel
comfortable as the day after plans are implemented in Gaza.
It gives the Arab States a stake in making that work.
And you'll notice there was no daylight on stage between
(16:44):
net and Yahoo and Trump.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I did notice that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
In the past Trump has sort of had some words
about like, well, things don't look great in Gaza, and
how can we work on the food situation? You know,
things like that where he got sort of gassed up
by that little Siah about yeah, about the food. And
in this case he was like, nah, you got to
take my deal or else they get to do whatever
they want.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah, And I appreciate that about Trump, I really do.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I think he sees this clearly.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And look, there's nobody that goes to Israel and walks
away being like these people don't want peace with the Palestinians.
Every Israeli I know, left and right, wants peace with
the Palestinians.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And as we've noted many times before, perhaps the people
most invested in proactive about seeking peace were killed. Yeven
those folks were out there like flying kites and sending
sweet messages and making music about peace yep on October sixth,
and they wanted peace on October sixth, and then October seventh.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You and I were at the Kubwit scene where that happened.
We saw they had their homes were still preserved with
all the peaceful messages, and they.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Were all murdered. So yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Think we're in a better change place than these past deals.
And by the way, as you pointed out the beginning
of the conversation, but we should reiterate, mass has been
the one that has rejected all my deals.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Even though by.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The way, they are getting Hamas terrorists out of Israeli
jails in exchange, they keep rejecting them, not Israel.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, right, And the concern right now is that Hamas
is going to reject it. It's Israel has already accepted it.
All the Arab states are for it. Everybody's just waiting
to hear what Hamas is going to do. You know,
it's hard to think like a terrorist group. But the
reason that people don't think that they're going to accept
(18:47):
it is because the hostages are their only leverage at
this point, and if you give back the hostages, they
don't have any So.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's it's really tough.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It's it really becomes a question of do they want
to see this war continue? And are the Palestinians going
to rise up against Tramas and say no more?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And they have tried at times, by the way, and
we will get video occasionally of Palestinian civilians being mowed
down by Tamas for daring to speak out. By the way,
those atrocities don't get a lot of coverage now, they
don't know where we are in press. We don't spend
a lot of time amping up the gosen street of
(19:32):
people who would like to push back on Hamas.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And maybe we should do more of that. Guys that'd
be good.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, we'll be right back with more on normally and
kissing cousins. We are back on normally and the UK
is really losing it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I don't know what is going on.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Over there, but their National Health Service a few days
ago published a report saying that first cousin marriage are
actually not that big a deal, and you know, overlooking
previous thinking on the subject. They wrote should the UK
government ban first cousin marriage?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And they said that there were.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Some benefits to first cousin marriage, including stronger extended family
support systems and economic advantages because you share grandparents, that's
why you have a closer and stronger extended family support system.
Doesn't make it not super gross.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But also what about the fact that and nobody knows
this better than people who have royalty and Britain's right
at the top of that list the increased risk of
inherited diseases.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
There's just a lot of problems with marrying your cousin.
I say, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, I agree. Look, I'm from Alabama and so I'm
allowed to say this. I was born there, guys. Yeah,
even Alabama is like xnay on the US and K
marrying it's not and like, look, this is a this
is an indication, they said, now they've they've removed this
(21:09):
post right because of outage. It was published by accidents,
publish my mistake. Nonetheless, like we stand by some of
these facts about first cousin marriage. This is an indication
that culturally the UK is succumbing to incoming immigration standards yep,
(21:31):
one of which includes a lot more cousin marriage.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Which is a thing from Alabama, which you're together, not
from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
This is the thing you're not allowed to say, which
is why the UK is saying and its official capacity
cousin marriage good, which strikes me as like in the
cycle of like the things not happening and if it's happening,
it's not a big deal.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Actually it's happening and it's good.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, right right, we are at that stage with the
cousin marying.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, it's super weird. The Tories, that's the Conservative party.
They accused Starmer of taking the need to damaging and
oppressive cultural practices.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That's really what it is, right, It's the bending.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Your culture to the incoming culture.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And again, look, you know I made the joke about royalty,
but you know, yes, we know that in royalty there
has been a lot of cousin marriage and so it's
not that Britain didn't have some of this before, but
they are adjusting to a cultural shift in their own country.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Sometimes I think that.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
They should fight back a little harder against allowing this
kind of thing and not.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Just bend over.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
And I know that there's a movement for that in England.
Tommy Robinson very famously is leading these marches, but just
the NHS involvement, and this is the ickiest part for me.
It's like it's not enough to just be like we're
going to look the other way because look, it's legal
in certain states as well.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I'm not saying that this this is out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
It's the valorizing up yeah, yeah, and this is this
is the thing that's happened with.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Several scandals in the UK is that authorities look the
other way. In this case, it's less like overtly hurtful
than other like fresh violence. They look the other way.
They sweep it under the rug. They don't admit that
it's happening, because in order to admit that it's happening,
you have to say that this cultural standard is different
(23:39):
than the UK cultural standard and it's bad. Yeah, that's
the thing you have to say. And they are not
willing to say that because the woke mindset and the
left mindset in Europe and in the UK is all
these things are equal.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Right, we can't. We're certainly not superior.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, even though like, yeah, in some cases the cultural
standard is better here guys, right.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Labor officials have argued that the band insensitively targets certain
cultures like British Pakistanis where in family.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Marriages are more common.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Don't marry your cousin no matter what nationality or race,
you are no cousin marriage.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, just we have to maintain our ability to discern things, guys.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Let's do that.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
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