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October 2, 2025 29 mins

Ryan breaks down the latest polling ahead of the upcoming elections, analyzing the risks of a government shutdown and the pressures facing Senator Chuck Schumer. Ryan takes a deep dive into immigration, public opinion on deportations, and the shifting dynamics in New Jersey’s elections—where an enthusiasm gap between Republicans and Democrats could reshape the outcome. Looking ahead, Girdusky assesses the GOP’s prospects in the 2026 House races, underscoring the role of voter registration trends and shifting public sentiment. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Graduski. It
is Thursday, October second, twenty twenty five. We are just
thirty three days from the twenty twenty five elections. If
there's an election in your area, a local or state,
make a plan and go vote. So I want to
go over a bunch of interesting data points on polls
today in New Jersey, nationally, and the big question in

(00:23):
twenty twenty six, if Republicans can hold the House. I've
been thinking about that a lot, and I think that
there's a chance. I never said I'm a pessimist by nature,
but a lot's going on. I want to break it
down for you and also ask me anything. So I
want to go over a bunch of interesting data today.
I want to talk about so I'm polling, that's national,
it's interesting New Jersey. They are election coming up. I

(00:44):
know I talked a lot about New Jersey. We're going
to go past New Jersey. I promise big question in
twenty twenty six, if Republicans can hold the House. I
am naturally a pessimist, but I have reasons to be
optimistic on that proposal. I'm going to break down the
data for you and the course asked me anything. But first,
I want to talk about the government shutdown for those

(01:05):
who missed it, and it is easy to miss. Let's
face it, the Congress did not pass their spending package
and it has a lot to do with the subsidies
in the Affordable Care Act known as Obamacare. I'm not
going to give you details with the negotiations because things
are moving so quickly. But by the time this episode
recording the day before, by the time the episode comes
out tomorrow, and by the time that you hear it

(01:26):
maybe the day after, the news may be over. So
there's no point to that. But I want to talk
about the bigger picture of what's going on, and that's
why Senate Democrats and specifically Chuck Schumer are fighting over
this and why he is fighting for his political legacy.
Schumer has been doing this for a very long time.
He's been an elected office at some level continuously since

(01:49):
nineteen seventy five. He is the first Democrat Senate majority
leader since the late Harry Reid, who had a very substantial,
massive legislative record during his times leading Democrats and the Senate.
Eight times eight years leading Democrats in the Senate, Schumer
got just four years at that role as Majority leader,

(02:09):
and he didn't pass landmark legislation that he thought he
would have, nothing close to Harry Reid, which he got Obamacare,
and he got the DoD Act on banking, and he
got a lot of legislation on big transformative legislation. A
lot of progressive bills that Schumer hoped to put out
never even got Senate floor votes. Schumer is hoping to

(02:32):
retake the majority in twenty twenty six, which seems unlikely,
but there is a bigger problem for Chuck Schumer. Schumer
is facing a bunch of insurgent Democrats running for office,
running real, legitimate campaigns for office in Maine, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota,
and Illinois who are saying that they will not support
him as leader, or they're not saying anything at all,

(02:54):
which is basically the saying the same thing. A Pew
Research poll from this week found that Schumer has a
thirty five percent approval rating among Democrats nationally and thirty
nine percent disapprobating. He is the only national leader who
doesn't have support from majority or plurality of his own party.
This is a big problem. He is going into Mitch

(03:17):
McConnell territory, but without the Mitch McConnell super packs and
money to sit there and push people into supporting McConnell.
Let's face a McConnell, whether you like him or dislike him,
was a extremely savvy political operator. I don't think I
heard a story once from someone in Kentucky, and I

(03:38):
think this is true. McConnell never lost an election, even
when he ran for school president or classroom president or
whatever the case was. He's very, very political savgy. Schumer
is not McConnell, and he is not Harry Reid, and
he is facing this onslaught from Democrats who don't believe
that he has the fight. The activist base doesn't want

(03:59):
him to represent the party in the Senate, and they
don't believe that he has what it takes to take
on Trump. He's worried about his political future. What are
you if you're a Senate Tructionmber, if you're not in
the Senate after spending all these decades in elected office.
It defines his personality and defines his legacy. And the
other problem basis is that the delegation, inside the Democratic

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delegation in the Senate, it is a lot more left
wing than it used to be, even in twenty eighteen,
even back in the last government shutdown happened. Democrats like
Kirsten Cinema and Joe Manchin and Red state Democrats, they're
not in office anymore. It's a different coalition. I personally
still think they're going to fold the Democrats on the
first vote of the budget. They got three Democrats to

(04:43):
already break against them, Angus King, who's not a Democrat,
he is an independent but caucuses with the Democrats, Joe
John Fetterman from Pennsylvania and Catherine Cortez Masto from Nevada.
They've all voted with the Republicans. It's likely that other
ones will break or are talking to break, because as
they are more moderate, and because they have a lot
to lose by the budget not happening and government employees

(05:07):
not receiving their paychecks. Overall, Americans don't want a shutdown.
They never want to shut down. This is something that
I don't really understand why politicians think this is going
to be a big win for them, but it never
seems to be. There's never a case where I think
someone comes out as a winner being the author of
a shutdown. It also doesn't have long term ramifications for

(05:28):
the fate of a party. Ultimately, I think that Democrats
are overplaying their hand, but Chuck Schumer is playing to
save his career, and that is what people are not
talking about. Enough, Okay, now for the shutdown. Let's talk
about some national polls, specifically the New York Times Santa Pole,
which is not the most accurate polster, but it is

(05:50):
the most highly credited poll by other media sources. They
love talking about this poll. It's not an unaccurate poll.
It's not a bad poll, but it is. New York
Times does a good job with some of their election
data analysis, but it is definitely the most highest standard
I guess as far as how the media looks at

(06:10):
polling as which is the one to quote from if
I hope I'm making sense. But it's not the best
as far as accuracy, but it's the most prestigious. That's
the word I was looking for, prestigious. And they asked
the Americans how they feel about deportations. When they asked,
do you support the government deporting illegal aliens living in
the US, fifty four percent of Americans said yes, forty

(06:32):
three percent said no. Of those who said yes, That
includes sixty five percent of men, a majority of all
voters over the age of thirty, sixty two percent of
white voters, forty percent of non white voters. They tied
forty nine to forty nine among whites with a college degree,
seventy percent of whites without a college degree, forty seven

(06:55):
percent rather of non whites with a college degree, fifty
two percent of Indians, ninety two percent of Republicans, nearly
one in five Democrats, and nearly one in five Kamala
Harris voters. When they asked the question of whether the
government was deporting people who deserved to be deported, fifty

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one percent said yes, forty two percent said no. Why
does this matter? Why does this individual pull matter? Because
of all the issues Trump has done while he has
been in office, possibly none have been demonized by the
media by social media more often than deportations, aside from tariffs.
Tariffs are absolutely get attacked the most more than anybody,

(07:39):
but immigration is a very very close second. It's probably
the biggest issue that separates the Biden administration from the
Trump administration because remember, Biden had a lot of tariffs.
Biden also supported most of the Trump tariffs, he kept
a lot of them going and built on them. So
the difference between tariffs between the Biden and Trump ministration

(08:00):
is not as different as a difference between immigration between
the Biden and Trump administration, which is day and night.
Biden did not care about the border whatsoever and invited
millions into this country. Trump has closed the border and
has the safest border you know, probably since Eisenhower. I mean,
it's a remarkable and miraculous change in one administration in

(08:24):
less than a year. But the fact is that despite
Democrats assaulting ICE officers and far left extremist shooting and
even killing some ICE officers, Democratic politicians are stuck in
this crossroads. Some of the more activist ones, some looking
to run for present, are calling for the eradication of

(08:46):
our enforcement apparatus around immigration, but a majority of Americans,
including those who did not vote for Trump in twenty
twenty four, are saying no. We believe that this process,
although not perfect, is right. The idea of deporting illegal
aliens is good. Most people who are being deported should

(09:06):
be deported. That would be considered an extreme position on
CNN or MSNBC, but it is the majority opinion by
double digits. That is something real. That is that Democrats
are going to have to contest with and grapple with,
not only in twenty twenty six, but also in twenty
twenty eight. Do you remember back in twenty twenty during

(09:28):
the Democratic primary debate when they were asking every politician
running for president if they supported government sponsored health care
for illegal immigrants, and they all raise their hands. I
bet you if that question was asked of the twenty
twenty eight contenders, at least one would not raise their
hand because they are worried about the fact that the
American public has given up on them and that their

(09:51):
base is increasingly out of step with the second most
important issue after the economy, consistently the second most important
issue after the economy. I think this will have ramifications,
especially as Democrats and Republicans are looking for some types
of immigration form around H one b's and other things.

(10:12):
The move for more enforcement on illegal immigration is wildly supported,
It is very bipartisan, and no amount of probably billions
of dollars of free negative media attention and social media
attention has changed that. And that is something that is
very good, very important, and worth remembering. When the elections

(10:33):
go around in twenty twenty six and then in twenty
twenty eight. Okay, now that's not the only pole that
came out since Monday. There's been a flurry of polls
out in New Jersey. And I know I just did
an episode of New Jersey. You guys are probably getting
tired of hearing about New Jersey. I'm going to give
you a rundown of the hard data and the polls
that have come out. So a Beacon and Shaw poll
released by the by Fox News has Democrat Mikey Cheryl

(10:56):
leading by eight points. A Quantus Insight poll has Shared
leading by two points. Remember Quantas is the second most
accurate polster of the twenty twenty four election. A Global
Strategy poll has Cheryl, that's a Cheryl internal pole. They
have her up by seven points. And a Valker poll
released by Save Jersey that was our guest that we
had on Monday has her up by two points. And

(11:16):
the poll from the nonprofit Yes Every Kid has her
up by seven points. This follows an Emerson poll that
has Chittarelli and Cheryl tide and a Chittarelly internal poll
that has him up by one. Now that seems like
a lot of good news for Cheryl. Right, all these
polls have her up except for two, and then another
two have her within the margin of error. However, almost

(11:38):
all the polls, including the Fox News polls, show that
the momentum and the enthusiasm gap is real and it
favors Chitarelli. The Fox News poll found that the Republicans
were eight points more enthusiastics to go vote for their
canon than the Democrat. Remember it's an eight point lead.
There's an eight point gap in enthusiasm. A new voter

(12:00):
registration data matches that enthusiasm gap. So New Jersey. New
Jersey does a lot of things wrong. One thing they
do right is they report their new voter registration every
single first of the month religiously. It is one of
the best states that does this. They don't have to
wait months and months on end. So New Jersey came
out with their September voter registration data on October first,

(12:23):
and they found that in the month of September, right
before a major election, the Governor's election, Democrats lost four thousand,
three hundred and sixty two registered voters. They left the
party ahead of the governor's election Republicans gained two thousand,
three hundred and eighty five and Independence gained thirteen thousand,

(12:45):
two hundred and eighty six new voters. And it begs
the question, and it is the question that will decide
this election, aside from turnout, which Republicans are turning in.
I'm going to go back to that in one second.
Where are these independents going? Pendons in these polls are
what separated from being a mild Kamala like victory margin

(13:08):
for Mikey Cheryl and a jump ball election where Chitarelli
can take it. Not by a lot, obviously, not by
the numbers that have Cheryl up by seven points, but
he's within the possibility in four polls that have just
come out. Since twenty twenty, and I've said this before,
it's worth repeating. Since twenty twenty, Republicans have gained two

(13:31):
hundred and twenty five thousand new registered voters in the
Garden State, many of which did not vote in the
last election. Democrats have gained one thousand. Think about that difference.
This is a state that is not Florida. It doesn't
have a institution to get Republicans to register to vote.

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It doesn't have an apparatus and tons of You know,
Florida has a million Republicans elected a local government. They
don't have that in New Jersey in some pockets, but
not statewide. It's not a functioning state party like Florida is.
And when it comes to the mail in ballot, how
are people voting in the mail in ballot? Republicans are
returning their ballots at a faster rate than Democrats. Eleven

(14:15):
point six percent of Republicans who have requested a mail
in ballot have already voted. That is true of nine
point eight percent of Democrats. Republicans are returning fested. And
now remember Democrats have more people requesting ballots, So there's
a fifty one to twenty thousand raw vote lead for Democrats.
But if this is reflective of the election day and

(14:40):
the vote early vote in person turnout, Republicans are showing
up in big numbers. The question is how are independent
showing up, how are they voting, how are they breaking
And if inner city Democrats are sitting there and doing
the same inner city Democrats, minority Democrats in places like
Union City, New Jersey, they did not like Maikey Cheryl,

(15:03):
they did not want her, and a lot of them
are having a big issue whether or not to support
Hitarelly because they're not supporting him, but they're they may
choose the couch. They may sit there and say, you
know what, found a good show on Netflix that day,
I'm not going to go vote. So, if you are
a Republican in New Jersey and you don't want to
vote by mail, because the Republicans still have that issue, remember,
early voting is coming up, Election Day voting is coming up,

(15:25):
and independence, especially how you break, will break the state
and decide your future for the next four years. The momentum, though,
is clearly on Chittarelli's side and New Jersey. I think
this is a bold statement to make, but I'm going
to make it. I don't think it's a question of
if New Jersey becomes a swing state. I think it
is a question of when New Jersey becomes a swing

(15:45):
state because all the momentum, and it's clearly organic, is
on Republican side. Now, once the bigger question can Republicans
hold the House in twenty twenty six, I explore that next. Okay,
so Democrats are looking to stop Trump by winning the

(16:05):
House over in twenty twenty six and it is historic
precedent that the resident's party loses seats in mid terms,
usually the first midterm worse than the second mid term.
That was true of Obama, not true of Bush, true
of Clinton. So it's we'll see how it is with
Donald Trump. That is the big question is can Trump

(16:27):
now Trump lost a lot of seats in the first
midterm twenty eighteen, that is not going to be the
case this time. Everyone acknowledges it's not going to be
in the twenty eighteen style wave. However, two things are
happening simultaneously that question whether or not they'll even lose
the House. To begin with, first is redistricting. Republicans are
set to They're not set. They have They've netted five

(16:48):
seats in Texas and one in Missouri. It is likely
that they will net an additional three in Ohio, three
in Florida, and one in Indiana. It is also likely
that Democrats. That's because I Proposition fifteen California passes a
very important election also happening in this November, that voters,
if they live in California should vote against Prop fifty,

(17:10):
but if they if it does pass, California is set
to net about four seats for the Democratic Party right
four to five. Let's just say four though, because one
is in a swing district with a Republican who generally
wins a swing district. So Democrats are set to at four.
That means nationwide, Republicans will start out with ten more

(17:30):
safe Republican seats than they currently have. That is a
lot in such a tight margin. There's also a series
of polls that recently came out the New York Times Sanapol,
which I mentioned about the immigration issue. They also asked,
who do you plan on voting for in the midterms.
Democrats hold just a two point lead. That's not a lot.

(17:53):
The economist you Gov asked the same question and among
registered voters, Democrats had a three point lead. Signal, which
is a Republican leaning firm. The head of the Signal
polling Studkee came on this podcast several months ago, very
smart guy. Democrats had a three point lead and Emerson
had it tied. Atlas Intel, which is the most accurate
polster from the twenty twenty four election. They are the

(18:15):
only ones to sit there and say Democrats have a
sizable lead of eight points, but they are unique and
they are not hurting their data. And I give every
Polster credit for not hurting. But let's say the generic
ballot is D plus three, right, the nation as a
whole votes D plus three fifty to forty seven or
something like that, that would represent a five point swing

(18:36):
from twenty twenty four. How many Republican seats does that
jeopardize In a five point seat, I started doing the
calculations compared to the twenty twenty four A House elections,
looking at people who like the Alaska seat. Right, it's
not contentiousy even more, even though it was contentious the
first time because there was an incumbent Democrat as of
a special election. Let's say, of the ones that will

(18:58):
be contentious this time that won't face redistricting, it's about ten.
There's what ten seats really in prime Democratic target that
they can sit there and seriously win in twenty twenty six.
If that's the swing and the redistrictings all go through,
that is not enough to win the House. Now, things

(19:18):
could change. A lot could change between now and next November. Recession,
economy picks up, economy loses steam, peace in the Middle East,
there's a new healthcare some of the President Trump have
where fizers, reshoring industries and reducing healthcare costs. A lot
of stuff is on the gamut. But in twenty eighteen,
we saw the wave coming. We were like people on

(19:42):
the beach in Asia seeing the tidal wave show up
miles and miles away, and we couldn't escape it. That
was what was happening to the Democratic Party in twenty eighteen.
It was very obvious for a very long time that
Democrats were excited to go vote. But look at these
voter registration numbers. I gave you New Jersey, you another
one in Florida. Over in Florida, Democrats have lost three

(20:06):
hundred thousand voters since December twenty twenty four, Republicans have
gained four thousand. Three hundred thousand. Now you say Florida
is Florida. Same thing happened in Louisiana Republicans in the
last month. In Louisiana, Republicans gained sixteen hundred voters, Democrats

(20:26):
lost two thousand. In New Mexico, Democrats lost, Democrats gained
twelve voters twelve one two twelve. Republicans gained fourteen hundred
Since the election in twenty twenty four, Since November twenty
twenty four, Republicans have gained four thousand new voters in

(20:48):
New Mexico, a state that they did not win, while
Democrats have lost nineteen thousand. In Rhode Island, a super
blue state, Republicans gained three hundred and eighty voters Democrats
lost four hundred. Does that show you the signs of
a party where people are authentically organically moving and energetic

(21:09):
and excited to go vote. What is happening? Something organic
is happening there. Even in California, Republicans are out registering
Democrats in new voters, Republicans have had more activists. Republicans
have benefited in some states from the fact that some
Democratic governors have pursued automatic voter registration where there's millions

(21:33):
of non college educated white men who had never regually
previously been registered to vote anymore prevote ever a period.
They've benefited from all those things. But it is organic
and it is national across the country everywhere that tracks
voter registration information. Voter registration ormation usually follows other signs

(21:53):
that things are not working in a party or are
working in a party's favor. Pulling and also money only
into this election, Republicans have in the NRCC, Republicans have
more than sixty million more dollars cash on hand than
Democrats do. All of the spells that it's likely Democrats
will gain seats, but could they not win the majority

(22:16):
after claiming Trump's a fascists and democracy in the line,
and the sky is falling every single solitary day, and
Rosie o'donald has moved to Ireland? Could they could it
prove that it doesn't really matter what they're saying? Yeah,
it does. This is not twenty eighteen? Is all the
signs that has that'd showing? Okay, next up, Ask Me Anything?

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Now it's time for the Ask Me Anything segment. If
you want a part of the Ask Me Anything segment,
email me ryanat Numbers Game podcast dot com. It's Ryan
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It really helps my ideas for the show. What shows
you want to have on guests I can pursue. I'm
constantly trying to reach out with new people to be
guests and top you guys want to hear because working

(23:03):
where you're in a room by yourself, just talking to
a microphone and You're like, here's my idea. I hope
that everyone says there and is interested by this. So
I love getting your emails. Please eel me questions on
any kind of topic you can. The question about New
York City restaurants is one of my favorite. Okay, this
message comes from Scott. Scott says, Hi, Ryan has heard
your latest podcast and wanted to throw out that. Miles
Smith a history professor from Hillsdale who's done a lot

(23:25):
of study on Christian revivalism and intersection of religion and
politics since the eighteen hundreds that echoes in present day
discussions like Christian nationalism. I think you'd be a great
guest for that topic on your show. Thank you for
that message, Scott. You know the election is coming up,
so I want to about politics because that's my background,
that's what I focus on. I would like to do
an episode in religion. I don't know how people feel

(23:48):
about it. I don't know if people want to hear
me talk about other topics I'm from politics. I think
that they do, especially now with a lot of conversation
and controversy surrounding the new pope, and I believe he's
in a precarious situation given the financial shape of the
church and the fact that older Catholics like the Joe
Biden's and the Nancy Pelosis and the Dick Durbins of

(24:08):
the world are hold a lot of institutional power and
a lot of financial power as they are looking towards
what they'll do their money after they leave this world.
I'm trying to find nuance in what he's doing. There
are some things that are making me scratch my head. Though.
He did a blessing of a piece of ice at
some climate change event, and I just don't I try

(24:31):
to understand, but I'm trying very hard to understand. I
just don't know what is going on. But I might
have a priest come on talk about the pope, talk
about the today of the church. I don't know if
you guys are interested in that topic, though, let me know.
I want to venture up into other topics. I'm afraid
to if you guys are not going to be interested
in it. So if you're interested in that topic, let
me know, shoot me an email. Great suggestion, though, if

(24:53):
I do an episode on Christian nationalism, I will bring
him on. Okay. Next question coroms from Derek Rolf Hope
I pronounce your lesson correctly, so love the show. My
question is on H one B visas. With Senator Grassley
and now the Senate Democrat Judiciary Committee both posturing to
clamp down on H one b's, do you think we'll
see any laws passed regarding this issue? If so, what

(25:14):
do you think Congress would do and what would be best.
I'm in favor of drastically limiting or ending the program altogether. Okay,
so Senator Grassley, his Senator grass is a very conservative
senator from Iowa. His partner around immigration reform has specifically been, ironically,
Senator Dick Durbin from Illinois. Durbin and Grassley have worked

(25:35):
together since two thousand and seven on a lot of bills,
a lot of common sense bills regarding immigration, and the
most recent one, the one that Derek is mentioning, is
a drastic reform to the L one and H one
B visas. Now, the H one B visas are those
high information, high tech visas. That's when that Silicon Valley
loves so much. I'm going to quote from Senator Grassley's website.

(25:59):
He says, in valuating the high unemployment rate for the
American tech workers. We cannot ignore the massive ongoing layoffs
ordered by this speaking to tech executives, ordered by you
and your peers in the big tech c suites over
the past few years. At the same time they've been
laying off employees, they've been filling up H one B
visa petitions. And then he goes on to sit there

(26:20):
and say that Grassy and Durban are requesting information and
data from each company, and it's a list of different
tech companies regarding their recruitment and hiring practices, as well
as any variation in salary and benefits between H one
B visa holders and the American employees. They are sponsoring
a bill called the H one B and L one
Visa Reform Act. That's the name of the twenty twenty

(26:40):
three bill. There's a new name. It's the same exact
Bilbo introduced by Senator Grassley this year. Among the reforms
of the bill formerly known as H one B and
L one Visa Reform Act, it will reduce fraud and
abuse for our immigration system, provide protections for American workers
and visa holders, and require greater transparency in the recruitment
of foreign workers. The bill has the support of Senators

(27:04):
Tubberville Sanders emblemathal. So it's a very bipartis I mean,
Tubberville and Sanders probably do not agree on many things.
It's a real piece of bipartisan legislation and it's something
that you can really expect a lot of times from
Senators Durbin and Grass when they get together on immigration.
They try to end the EB five visa and it
had a broad support, and it was Chuck Schumer and

(27:27):
John Corny that ended up saving the EB five visa
after everyone acknowledged it was a completely corrupt visa. But
you know, they needed money from Chinese investors for the
real estate market in both in Texas and New York,
so they saved the visa system. What do I think
need to happen? So they only have four sponsor co
sponsors of the bill, sorry, three co sponsors as well

(27:48):
as the two main sponsors. Was five total they would
need If this is going to happen, you need to
see several things move. One, you'd have to see some
moderates in both parties also up on the bad wagon.
So Susan Collins, who support a lot of grassy reforms,
and John Fetterman jump on this as well as some
populous Republicans like Bernie Marino or Jim Banks or Josh Holly.

(28:12):
That would give indication that this has real teeth and
is moving through the Senate. If you live in those
states and you want to see them back this bill,
you should call their office in Washington and ask them
to sit there and co sponsor this bill. That would
be the That would be the first step I think
to get that. I can actually know it my ass
Senator Grassley's office if they can come to talk about

(28:34):
this bill. I think it's been an interesting topic overall,
but getting one of those senators to jump on this
bill would be a very good first step both the
moderate and the popular swings of the party. Ultimately, to
have a real chance, you would have to get the
President and the White House behind it, because that would
that's going to sit there and actually move to Johnson,
to Mike Johnson, you'd both introduce a version of it

(28:57):
in the House and get it to the House floor,
as well as John Thune in the Senate. There's a
lot of people scratching to get something done in the
House and the Senate on H one B's I think
this is probably the best chance for something to happen.
They need a sponsor in the House. I don't know
who that would be, but that is definitely this is

(29:20):
definitely the best chance. But until you see leadership come
support it, and moderates and populist some more of them
jump on the bandwagon and get some more energy as
well as the White House. I wouldn't bet on it
becoming laws. Something has to give on any of those
things before it can really have some real teeth. But
it's a good bill, so hopefully it will anyway. Thank
you for your questions. Thank you for listening to this episode.

(29:41):
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will talk to you guys on Monday. We're going to
talk about Virginia and the governor, attorney general and lieutenant
governor's race. There. Stay tuned, everybody,

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