October 7, 2025 • 56 mins
Deep State Weaponization
Broadcasting live from Washington, D.C., Buck Sexton covers the latest developments in the Trump administration’s showdown with Democrat-run cities, focusing on Chicago and Portland.
The discussion kicks off with explosive revelations about FBI surveillance of Republican Senators, including Lindsey Graham, Josh Hawley, and Ron Johnson, as part of the controversial “Arctic Frost” operation. Buck highlights Attorney General Pam Bondi’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, exposing the weaponization of the FBI and DOJ and the urgent need for reform under Director Patel.
Who is Leading the Democrats?
Buck recaps President Trump’s Oval Office remarks, where Trump blasts Democrats for having “no leadership and no policy,” calling out figures like Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Buck underscores Trump’s point, arguing that Democrats lack a clear leader for the first time in decades, with contenders like Gavin Newsom and J.B. Pritzker jockeying for influence while the party drifts toward radicalism.
Remembering Israel's 9/11
Karol Markowitz, host of The Karol Markowicz Show, reflecting on the two-year anniversary of the October 7 Hamas terrorist attack on Israel.
Karol shares her perspective on the enduring trauma for Jews worldwide, the resilience of Israelis, and the disturbing rise of antisemitism in Western societies. The discussion dismantles false narratives of “genocide” against Palestinians, highlighting how media outlets like The New York Times manipulate imagery to push propaganda. Buck and Karol underscore President Trump’s unwavering support for Israel, his clarity on Middle East policy, and the broader civilizational stakes tied to unchecked immigration and radical ideology.
The conversation shifts to emerging hostility toward Israel from some voices on the right, with Karol warning against conspiracy theories and emphasizing that polls still show overwhelming conservative support for Israel. She frames antisemitism as a “mind virus” that can consume individuals and societies, urging vigilance against its spread. Buck reinforces the historical context of violent indoctrination in Gaza and calls for moral clarity in U.S. foreign policy.
Living with Autism
In a compelling second half, Buck welcomes Leland Vittert, NewsNation host and author of Born Lucky: A Dedicated Father, a Grateful Son, and My Journey with Autism. Leland shares his deeply personal story of overcoming severe autism through his father’s relentless commitment to adaptation and resilience.
The discussion explores the flaws in expert-driven approaches that encourage meeting children “where they are” instead of pushing them to thrive. Leland details practical strategies his father used—like instilling discipline, teaching social skills, and building character—that transformed his life. Buck relates with his own childhood struggle with a speech impediment, reinforcing the theme that parental involvement and perseverance can change destinies.
The segment also tackles the surge in autism diagnoses, with Leland calling it “the scientific question of our time” and criticizing partisan attacks on efforts to find answers. His book offers hope and actionable guidance for parents navigating challenges from autism to ADHD and beyond.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis en Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now, coming to you life
from Washington, d c our Nation's capital aka the Swamp,
although it is lovely this time of the year, not
very swampy. Clay is on vacation today. He'll be back
with us Thursday. Is that was Thursday? Right, yes, Thursday,
(00:22):
So he is working on his tan by the Gulf
of America. We are diving into the news of the day,
my friends, and there is a lot of it. More
on the showdown between the Trump administration and various Democrat
run cities, notably Chicago and Portland. But the mayor of
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Chicago has done something pretty remarkable. He thinks that he
can create federal government enforcement free zones. And we shall
discuss what that looks like. We shall have a conversation
about how absurd the Democrat position on all of this
(01:06):
is getting. As a CNN anchor decides to throw down
with Stephen Miller, it does not go well. Spoiler alert
for the CNN anchor, Stephen Miller having none of it.
President Trump some comments yesterday from the oval that I
wanted to get to today. The government shut down continues.
I'm here in our nation's capital and I don't know,
(01:29):
feels fine, doesn't feel very shut down, like feels okay.
Things are kind of just doing what they do. So
there's that. We'll discuss the latest with it. And also
it is, of course the two year anniversary of the
October seventh terrorist attack by Hamas on Israel. Our friend
and podcast host Carol Markowitz will be with us in
(01:51):
the third hour to discuss some reflections two years on,
as the Trump administration is trying to bring a cease
fire and some kind of peace deal into effect in
that region. Has been two years of conflict. But I
wanted to dive in first to this situation, and it
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is more of the deep state weaponization that we have
known about but continue to find new things out. This
is now the surveillance of United States Republican senators the
FBI well in this case actually came out from Senate
(02:34):
Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grastly. He released this publicly. But
the FBI, led by Director Patel and Deputy Director at Bongino,
is providing transparency as promised about what kind of weaponization
has occurred at the Federal Bureau of investigation and notably
on this Arctic Frost operation that they were running. This
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is about election j six, twenty twenty stuff, and they
clearly were on a hunt for individuals that were political
targets instead of actual criminals. That's a problem. I think
Donald Trump summed it up well with this. This was
(03:21):
on Truth's social Durie. Jack Smith caught with his hand
in the cookie jar, a real sleeve bag. Indeed, the
President of the United States pulling no punches and letting
it be known how he feels about the unduly anointed
prosecutor Jack Smith in this whole situation. But we've got
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this from the FBI. We have an electronic communications tally
here as in surveillance of the cell phones of toll
analysis records. You've got Mike Kelly, Lindsey Graham, I am
Bill Haggarty, Josh Holly, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tuberville, Ron Johnson
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he'll be with us tomorrow, Senator Johnson, uh and Cynthia Loomis,
Marcia Blackburn, these are the names on this release. Well,
this is not just one of those times where we're
finding something out. There's already been action taken the FBI,
and this is from Director Patel has terminated some employees
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that were involved in this. When the Republicans had their
private communications, their private phone calls tracked. Director Patel put
this out. We are cleaning up a diseased temple three
decades in the making, identifying the rot, removing those who
weaponize law enforcement for political purposes and those who do
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not meet the standards of this mission, while restoring integrity
to the FBI. I promised reform and I intend to
deliver it. So that was in a statement to Fox News.
So that is where we are right now.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It is.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
More information to add onto the pile about weaponization of
government that has happened. But we had a G. Pam
Bondi testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on this issue.
I wanted you to hear it from the Attorney General herself.
This is cut two hit it.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
When I was confirmed as an eighty seventh Attorney General
of the United States, I took office with two mangals
to end the weaponization of justice and return the department
to its core mission of fighting violent crime. As to
ending the weaponization of justice, we learned that former FBI
secretly investigated you and your colleagues why they wanted to
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take President Trump off the playing field. They were playing
politics with law enforcement powers and will go down as
a historic betrayal of public trust. This is the kind
of conduct that shatters the American people's faith in our
law enforcement system. We will work to earn, not back,
every single day.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's critical because when the people have a lack of faith,
and rightly so, in the fair minded in the ethical
application of the rule of law, especially when it especially
when it comes to the fearsome powers of the FBI,
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when the public no longer believes that that is being
done in a non partisan fashion, we have a very
big problem on our hands. And the public is right
to not just question the FBI, but to have lost
tremendous respect for it as an institution. And that is
why Director Patel, Deputy Director Bongino, and other good men
and women in the FBI under this Trump administration are
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trying so hard to first deal with the rot excise it,
but also to set things right. We cannot have an
FBI that is pulling the phone records of Republicans scents
to try to jam them up on some nonsense. We
already had an FBI, as we know that was involved
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with the entire Crossfire hurricane debacle, involved in trying to
pin a lie on a President Donald Trump to destroy
his administration and perhaps even to send him and members
of his family and top advisors to prison. One thing
I will note, and you should all keep this in
mind too, there are a whole bunch of Republicans who
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have actually gone to prison from Trump World. There's a
whole series of people that have served time for overwhelmingly
the most petty offenses imaginable. And we've seen an FBI
with James Comey that was willing to pretend it was
investigating laws that no honest person thinks are the basis
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for any investigation, like the Logan Act against General Flynn
in the first Trump administration. So the weaponization has been broad,
it has been consistent, and it has been taken as
far as the investigative body, the FBI can take things,
meaning that they have brought these cases, they have used
these tools, they've used faiza and it is a very
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dangerous thing, let me tell you, coming from a CIA
analysis background, when you have what is effectively the secret
police in a country playing games, using surveillance powers to
undermine one political party or another. It doesn't lead to
good places. In fact, sometimes it leads to a straight
(08:36):
up coup and maybe the head of the secret police
run a country. And it paid attention to James Comy
in recent years. That is terrifying. I think a Comy
administration might even be worse than a Kamala administration. And
I just read Kamala's book and it is also deeply,
deeply troubling because it is so boring and so awful
(08:59):
that you think this woman could have been president in
this country. I know Trump beat her soundly, but the
fact that so many people voted for her I think
should keep us all on guard. It is a wow moment.
One of the least talented politicians of our lifetime somehow
managed to be the Democrat nominee and got tens of
(09:21):
millions of votes. Anyway, back to FBI weaponization, I'm weaving.
Isn't that what Trump says? I'm weaving? Isn't that the
term right when he starts going off. I haven't used
that one in a while, But if Trump says it,
I'm weaving, I'm getting back to it. I don't think
Trump has said that in a while. Either. That was
a big Trump isn't for a while when he would
start to start to go on tangents. So, yes, the
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reality here is cleaning up the FBI is absolutely essential.
I'm just a few blocks from the Hoover Building, so
it feels very close. It feels very real that this
is underway right now. But this is essential. And then
there's also speaking of cleaning up law enforcement, there is
the deployment issue here about National Guard going to these cities.
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Pam Bondy also in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee
here saying to Senator Dick Durbin, another deeply, deeply unimpressive fellow,
very common esque in that respect. Here he is, or
rather here Pam Bondy is explaining that you know what,
national guards going to Chicago. Deal with it? Play three.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
The National Guard is on the way right now as
we speak. Oh, by the way, so is Director Patel
and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. You're sitting here grilling me,
and they're on their way to Chicago to keep your state.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Safe, Madam Attorney General.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Is my job to grill you?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Mm hmmm. No, I mean he could just ask questions
and be respectful. But however he wants to position this,
of course, but this is now going to let me
transition into this ongoing fight over bringing safety and security
to these cities and allowing for immigration and customs enforcement
to do their job without obstruction, without being unduly burdened
(11:10):
by lunatics in the streets who are throwing rocks and
bottles and lord knows what else at them. It is
time for a law enforcement reckoning here. Remember when it
came to January sixth, the Democrats were willing to not
only have the National Guard deployed for four or five
months with big fences around the Capitol, but they use
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the FBI very much like a secret police force in
some third world country to hunt down people for nonviolent crimes,
to bust into their homes, sometimes in the pre dawn
hours with tactical teams. And I mean, just look what
they did. Well, they've done this so many times, what
they did to Roger Stone in an earlier era. They're
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willing to abuse the powers of the FBI of the
DOJ for the most nakedly part in purpose. It's gotta stop,
and that means consequences. That means people have got to
get fired at. It means people have got to go
to prison. If they can send Bannon to prison for nothing,
and Navarro to prison for nothing, and a whole bunch
(12:15):
of others, maybe we can send some Democrats to prison
for something, as in breaking the law, which they've done.
I think that's where we need to go. I think
that's where people are recognizing we have to go. And
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(14:24):
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It's just a question of when and if they pull
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go and check that out now. U President Trump just
in the Oval office a few moments ago. He's down
the street. He's not far off from where I'm doing
the show. And here he is on the Democrat Party
what he thinks of their leadership thirty four and I really.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Think that these are people that I think they have
nothing to lose. They have a party that's out of control,
they have no leader, nobody knows who the leader is.
I look at people with very low IQs like Crockett,
this woman Crockett, I never met her, but she's a
low IQ individual. I look at AOC talking about how
if they want to negotiate, they can come to my office,
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she's done in that position to do that, and who
the hell is she just say that? And then I
watched Nancy Pelosi not knowing what to do. Watch, I
watch their leadership. Look, Schumer is petrified of primary because
he's not going to win probably against anybody in a primary.
You know, Schumer did the right thing, but he handled
it badly. Originally a year ago, he did probably the
(15:46):
right thing, but he handled it badly. I think Schumer
is incapable of making a deal. They are a mess.
They're a party that has no leadership. They have and
they have no policy. You know, we have great we
have great. I think we have great leadership, but we
also have great policy. Their leadership loop. Schumer is petrified
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of primary because he's not going to win probably against
anybody in a premery. You know, Schumer did the right thing,
but he handled it badly. Originally a year ago, he
did probably the right thing, but he handled it badly.
I think Schumer is incapable of making a deal. They
are a mess. They're a party that has no leadership.
They have and they have no policy. You know, we
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have great, we have great I think we have great leadership,
but we also have great policy.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I think he's right, but let's let's unpack this for
a second. The claim from the President that the Democrats
don't have leadership right now, I think you'd have to
agree with that to the to the degree that it
is possible for me to be objective on this, which
I know is that's a challenge, right because I am
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a Republican and don't agree with the Democrats. I understand
all that, But trying to take a step back and
look at this as honestly as possible. If the Democrats
had a day fat like the Taiwan but the brutal
experience of reading Kamala's one hundred and seven days and
it felt like it took one hundred and seven days
to read, so the title is apt. And really I
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think she did not endear herself to anyone in the
Democrat party or the reader. I came away from it thinking,
this is a person who has never really been tested,
has been elevated by the system for superficial characteristics all along,
and you have somebody who's just not a talented politician,
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got way beyond her skill set, and so I don't
think that she's going anywhere in politics. Meaning, I don't
think she's going somewhere. It's off the stage. You have
Gavin Newsom, Oh, you've got Pritzker. He's really trying to
make a go of things these days. He really believed
that he's a big deal. And this is what this
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is the kind of leadership you this has cut ten,
this kind of leadership you get from this guy. He's
a jerk player.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
Donald Trump is using our service members as political props
and as pawns in his illegal effort to militarize our
nation's cities. For weeks now, Donald Trump, Christynome, and Gregory
Bovino have brought their militarized CBP and ICE agents to
the streets of Chicago to cause violence and chaos in
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this city. They need to stop inciting our city's residents.
Since the beginning of this invasion, families have been snatched
up off the streets or removed from their homes, zip
tied and detained for hours, including especially US citizens and
legal residents of our state.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Inciting the people of Chicago. Think about the framing from
the governor here certainly thinks of himself as a heavyweight.
Think of the way that he discusses this The problem
isn't the riots. The problem isn't the lawlessness and the
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disrespect shown to federal officers. It's that they're there and
Democrats in Chicago are having some kind of collective nervous
breakdown in response to it, and so they can't be
held accountable for their actions. That the real problem here,
The real issue is the deployment in the first place. Uh,
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that's a That's a pretty crazy point of view, isn't it.
And yet this is the governor of Illinois who certainly
thinks himself as a contender for the Democrat the mantle
of Democrat leadership. Chuck Schumer, as Trump and others have
been discussing, he's just trying to hold on because the
Democrat Party that that he has managed to sit atop
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in different ways for a long time now. He's been
involved in this longer than I That was funny, actually
funny yesterday we're talking to speak of the House. He's
like Buck, He's he's been doing this for almost as
long as I'm like, no, longer than I've been alive. Actually,
Chuck Schumer is Chuck Schumer has been in the Senate
longer than I have been on this earth. So that
tells you something. But this is where we are now,
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Chuck Schumer running for cover. He knows the radical left
fringe of his party is ascendants, and they can't stop it.
This is the thing. They can't reason with their left
wing base any more than we can because they're lunatics,
and so by definition there's no way there's no common
ground to have with them. The only thing that they
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can do is try to keep them at bay long
enough to fool enough voters, to keep the Democrat seats
in more purplish areas, and to try this is the
game every election cycle. Democrats, to win enough votes to
have power, have to pretend that they're not actually Democrats.
It's certainly what's going on with Alison whatever her name
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is in Virginia, and by the way, it might as
well be whatever her name is her last name, because
her whole game is nobody knows anything about this lady. Really, like,
what does she stand for? I don't know the Democrat,
it's a lady. That's about all we know. You know,
span Burger, span Burger. What does span Burger stand for? Well,
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if you really were to dig into it, it would
be probably abortion. All nine months of her pregnancy and
DEI and transgender stuff and all the but she doesn't
talk about that. The whole game is, I'm so boring
and lacking in charisma. How dangerous can I be? And
that's what a lot of these Democrats do. They put
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forward this, this trojan horse in the Purple States of Well,
I'm not one of those aoc Mamdani Democrats. I'm something else.
And unfortunately, because a lot of people spend time thinking
about their lives and not politics, and I can respect that,
I don't really cast stones. I wish everybody was very
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informed on these things, but you know, you got lives
to lead, and so they just whatever's on the TV.
They go, Okay, this person seems pretty moderate, and what
is a moderate Democrat these days? Chuck Schumer is starting
to look like a moderate Democrat these days, just because
he's not insane. I mean, he's bad news, but he's
not as looney as some of these others, and he's
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maybe going to lose his job because of it. So
we go back to the initial question, or the initial
premise by President Trump, who's the leader of the Democrat Party.
This is the first time in a long time there
has not been an Nobody would have asked that question
obviously for the eight years of Obama, and if it
wasn't Obama, the answer was Clinton. And somehow, believe it
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or not, what the answer wasn't Clinton, the answer became Biden.
So there there has been a leader of the Democrat
Party for a long time now. And I would argue
that in the in the Bush years, even the answer
was still Clinton for a lot of people. That's why
that show The West Wing where that half wit Martin
Sheen plays the like brilliant scholar president. It was really
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just the stealth presidency for Libs during the during the
Bush years. And I remember I was in the CIA
at the time, and so yeah, I would flip this
thing on sometimes I'm like, oh, this is where the
where the Libs get to feel safe and warm. Oh
look at this president. He has a PhD in economics
and he likes baseball, just like all the Democrats these
you know, that was it was their fantasy land, their
Aaron Sorkin provided fantasy land presidency. But we've always known
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who the leader is. We've always known who the who
the top dog is in the Democrat Party until now,
because there isn't one, and Trump is just pointing that out.
He's he's wait, wait, wait, did I say, yeah, Abigail
Span I got her name right, didn't I? He took
me a minute, Oh did I?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I said, there you go. That's how memorable she is. Alison,
Abigail Potato, Potato whatever. Yeah, Abigail span burger Man. She
really stands for a lot. Uh you know, no, no idea.
She's just hoping that enough Virginians get their politics from
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having like the drone of CNN on in the background.
And then you know, when they're watching Who Wants to
Be a Millionaire, and there's some political ads running that say, oh,
she's gonna do great things for the schools and she's
gonna help working families. It's just the pablem, the the
milk toast. Like the way that Democrats win in Purple
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States is like they it's like they smother you with
a boring pillow of it'll be fine. You know, she's
not gonna do anything crazy, and you just go, Okay,
how bad can it be? And at some level, by
the way, this was the Biden play in twenty twenty.
Good old Joe, He's so old he's so old and
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and kind of feeble. How dangerous can he be? Well,
very as we saw, because he wasn't calling the shots.
The left wing activists around him were the ones calling
the shots. So, in a sense, the answer to the
question who's the leader of the Democrat Party is well,
because they're leftists and increasingly commies, it's really a collective.
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You could say there is no one leader. There are
a bunch of different people who adhere to an ideology
of collectivism, and they like the Committee if you will,
they're like the Committee for the Undermining and Destruction of America.
That's what the that's the leader of the Democrat Party.
Other than that, you can put in a bunch of
different names. You know, you can look at narcissistic individuals
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like Newsome and Pritzker, and you know what you think
about someone like Pritzker is I know these people say, oh,
he's a billionaire. Guys like, has he ever had a
I know he's the governor now. But let's be honest.
Anybody can do these jobs right. This is one thing
that we've learned in this new era of politics. It's
hard to get some of these jobs. You need a
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lot of money. You need a lot of name recognition,
but doing it, I don't know. Look at some of
these people who have had these jobs. Has Pritzker ever
done a hard day's work? Is really the question. And
now I don't mean like in the gym, I mean
in general, has he ever done a hard day's work?
I don't think so. Does he have any understanding whatsoever? Oh?
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People will say, but how dare you look at Trump?
He grew up also very privileged everything else. Yeah, but
people who do hard days work like him, and he
seems to understand them and have a kinship with them.
And you can't fake that because the people who do
the hard days work can tell they know. John Kerry
tried it, a lot of others have tried it. Oh,
(26:57):
I'm just like you. I'm like, hello, fellow working class people.
Look at my Carhart jacket like it doesn't work. It
doesn't work. Somehow Trump is different and we all know that. Uh. Look,
I'll take your calls here. Eight hundred two eight two
two eight a two Do you think who is the
leader of the Democrat Party? I put that question out
to you. Trump says there isn't one. I tend to
agree with him. I think right now, if we were
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ranking them, I go, wow, this is like, this isn't
This is not a fun list. You know, this is
like ranking painful medical procedures or something. I go, Gavin
Newsom number one slot. I go, I might put AOC
at number two. And I know she's not senior in
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the but she's power. She's more powerful than these other Democrats.
She just is. Please you think if Pritzker and AOC
go head to head, I mean, she's gonna She's gonna
smoke that guy. Uh So, yeah, we'll see. Let me
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Speaker 1 (29:04):
All right, third hour of Play and Buck kicks off.
Now we're joined by our friend Carol Markowiz, host of
the Carol Markowitz Show on the Clay and Buck podcast network,
which thanks all of you, is growing every single month
and also normally which she co hosts with Mary Katherine
Hamm and that is doing fantastic numbers as well. So
thank you all for your support and Carol. Great to
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have you on the program. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Hi Buck, thanks so much for having me two.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Years Carol, two years since the events of October seventh.
I want to get into some of the policy specific
conversation in a moment with where Trump is trying to
end this thing between the IDF and Hamas and all
of that, as well as some other news of the day.
But first I just wanted to ask you to reflect
on how you view this day and what you think
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about given what's happened over the last two years.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
You know, the first thing I want to say is
today is the first day of the Jewish holiday of Sukkote,
and I'm not a super observant Jew. I should be better,
but I'm not. But many observant Jews, our friend Josh Hammer,
some other people are offline today so they can't commemorate
October seventh. So I'm just so grateful for you and
(30:18):
so many other people for noting this today in the
absence of Jews being online, and I think that that's
really incredible and special, and I feel just grateful to
have you as an ally, as a friend, and to
have non Jews care about what's going on in Israel
or with Jews in the world is so meaningful to me,
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and I hope that you know how much I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Oh, absolutely, Clay and I have felt very strongly about
this issue from the very beginning and have felt like
this was a clear case of right and wrong, not
just of course, on the horrible day of October seventh
and what was done to Jews in Israel, but so
much of what we saw afterwards I think was shocking
to people, Carol, who haven't followed this issue and don't
(31:05):
understand some of the dynamics of play. I mean, the calls,
for example, the calls for a cease fire while the
Israelis were still counting their dead and preparing to bury
them was just an astonishing show of bad faith and
quite honestly the worst kinds of anti Semitism.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, And it's been just a really tough two years,
I would say. And it's interesting because I went to
Israel during that time and they are so resilient and strong,
and they're really they've been prepared for how long this
is going to take, and they understood it wasn't going
to be overnight, and all of that. They want their
hostages back so badly. But it has been a tough
(31:50):
time to be a Jew in America, Jew in the West.
I have such faith in America and Americans, and I
know that it's just a tough time right now. But
it is hard to watch that commemorations of October seventh
are taking place in our biggest cities and they seem
like celebrations, and they're you know, Zionists quote unquote are
(32:12):
being pushed out of various bases. I mean, it's been
going on on the left for years and years. I
wasn't very surprised about the reaction from the left on
October eighth. I know a lot of people were, but
I had seen it coming for the better part of
a decade. I just hope the right doesn't follow them
down that path. And like I said, I do feel
very comfortable and so blessed that I feel like conservatives
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are largely on the right side of this, and that
they I do feel like I have allies standing with me.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well, you know, Trump, I think is a consistent, consistent
ally and friend of the State of Israel, which is
and sees this issue with the clarity that it demands,
and on that issue of clarity. You know, we've had
you on Carol before to talk about the so called
genocide and the New York Times running a story with
(33:03):
a photo as the primary photo of somebody who looks emaciated,
having nothing to do with hunger. It's actually a birth
defect or a congenital birth issue that that person had,
And I think it's you know, to me, it always
seemed like, hold on a second, there's not a genocide
going on, and here's why. And we made that case before.
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This is a term, of course that's thrown around with
the additional assault in the wound of the genocide that
was committed against the Jews in the Holocaust and World
War Two. So the opponents of Israel used this knowing
the full implications of the term in this context. But
now we have a peace plan, or at least a
ceasefire plan put forward. With all of these steps, it's
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essentially Hamas has to stop fighting, hostages have to come back,
and then there has to be some responsibility from the
Palestinian side. And it seems like it's not a genocide
because they say, no, we're going to keep fighting.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's amazing the first victims of genocide. Ever to say no,
we're going to keep going. It's baffling to me that
anybody cannot see what's going on here. And you're right,
Trump is such a friend to Israel. I am just
just I find his clarity on the matter to be breathtaking.
And you know, I make all of the Trump twenty
(34:22):
twenty eight jokes in our tests because of it, because
I really feel like he holds back a lot of
the insanity around the world. And you know, when Britain
or France, when you recognize quote unquote the Palestinian state,
Trump sort of laughs at them and says, who cares
what they think? And that's meaningful and amazing that an
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American president is such a leader on the world stage.
But you're right, it's the idea that there's a genocide
going on while that population of Palestinians and Gaza has
actually grown in the last two years makes no sense.
And it makes no sense that it really chubby moms
are holding starving babies, because that's generally not the way
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that it goes. So I'd love to see more clarity
from other world leaders, if there's some really good ones.
The president of Argentina is amazing. The Prime Minister of
Italy is fantastic, but in general a lot of them
are afraid of their Muslim populations or their leftist base,
and they are really bringing down the idea of civilization
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around the world. It's not just about Israel. It's really
a civilizational question that they would have to contend with
in their own countries. What will our countries be with
this unchecked immigration that we've allowed to go on. It's
all tied together.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'd also note that if there was a starvation genocide underway,
the photos of it would be everywhere accessible and obvious.
It would not be in the least bit difficult in
the social media internet era that we all live in
to see this. And yet the reliance on photos by
the biggest newspaper in the United States, for example, that
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is essentially a falsified premise. I think that speaks very
loudly about what is going on here. What are the
chances they just happened to pick a photo that doesn't
depict what's going on if there are endless photos that would, right,
I mean, that just makes it makes no sense. You
can supply logic to this and it falls apart.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, and they cropped out his healthy looking brother out
of the photo because they wanted to project that the
starvation thing was happening, and the very healthy brother would
show that that wasn't going on.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
What is going on on the right with and you
know what I'm going to ask you, Carol, But to
the degree that we can cover some of this now,
there seems to be some how, some questioning that even
some hostility to Israel, specifically that I haven't seen from
(36:50):
the right. On the left, it's been there for a
long time, yeah, But on the right it seems like
there's some problems bubbling up. Where is that coming from?
Speaker 4 (37:00):
You know, I don't want to ascribe bad motives to people.
I'm not going to say they're all paid by guitar,
although kind of seems like they're paid by guitar. It
really could be any number of things. I understand questioning
foreign aid, for example, But if you're questioning a foreign
aid means that Israel should be the first country stripped
(37:21):
of it, I'm sorry that is not a real argument.
And a lot of the time there'll be people saying
we're allowed to criticize Israel. Of course, you're allowed to
criticize Israel. I criticize Israel. There's a million mistakes that
I think Israel has made before and since October seventh,
and you're absolutely allowed to criticize any number of things.
But the idea is that Israel is allowed to exist
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and should exist, and that is Zionism. So it's really
not that crazy to say Israel is a country. It exists,
it's going to continue to exist, and we should support that.
I hope the right doesn't get wound up in conspiracy theories,
which is largely what a lot of this comes down to.
And I get where it comes from. We were lied
to again and again and again over the last decade,
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and I feel like people have lost all faith in everything.
But you have to remember not everyone is lying to
you all the time, and it's you have to find
the people that you trust, and they shouldn't be people
who lie to you. If your favorite podcaster is telling
you things that you know to be a lie, they're
probably lying about other things as well, and that's how
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you should look at it. You should trust the voices
that you listen to, and if you can't do that,
then you shouldn't do it on anything you know.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
I've begun to see. Finally, because I've been trying to
make this case for a while as somebody who was
involved in some capacity among millions of other Americans, including
those who actually serve in the military. I was a
civilian trying to do a part of what we call
the g WAT, the Global War on Terror. But the
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level of violent hate that has been inculcada in some
of these Middle Eastern societies, and specifically in the case
of Gaza, I'm a little surprised that so many people
on the right seem to have either forgotten or aren't
able to draw the obvious parallels that these society that
(39:16):
they're not upset about foreign eight in Gaza, that they're
not upset about the lack of some you know, some
agreement that would move things forward. They actually have been
trained and taught to hate Jews and Israelis. This is
very straightforward, and I think this has gotten lost in
the conversation, even on the right for some in a
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way that bears reminding everybody.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, I will say that poll after pole continues to
show that the people on the right support Israel, and
so no matter how many loud voices are trying to change.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I think that's an important distinction you're making. It's not
to interrupt your killalar.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
It hasn't moved the needle at all. I would say
that abortion is a more contentious issue on the right
than Israel is It's an overwhelming positive supportive point of
reference for the right on Israel. And so you know,
I don't know what again, what the motivations might be,
but I will say that anti Semitism is not a bigotry,
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and I think when people think of it as a bigotry,
they get it all wrong. It is a it's a
mind virus. Once it grabs people, it's all they can
think about. So again, if you think, if your if
your favorite podcaster has suddenly become multiple wall Israel, every
single episode of Israel, Israel Israel. They're on a dark path.
And it's not about Jews as a kind of culture.
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It's about a larger mind virus that will really swallow
them up. And you've seen this happen in societies in history,
where once it gets going, it really doesn't stop. So
I hope that the trend where the larger right just
blocks out those voices continues, and that's what.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I'm going to be Look, what are you going to
be talking about this on normally, Carol.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
So normally just celebrated our one year anniversary book Mary
Catherine Ham and I completely didn't realize the date, so
it's actually a year and a week and of half
or so. But we're really thrilled to be on the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network. It's been amazing.
We cover news of the day in a funny way
and I hope your listeners will tune in.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah. No, you guys are doing a great ladies, I
should say, are doing a great show and I love it. Yeah, Carol,
thank you so much for being here. Appreciate you talking
to you as always, and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Two years ago, we woke up to the horrific news
from Israel. The terrorists were on a rampage, slaughtering innocent civilians.
By the end of the day, the death toll was
twelve hundred, with two hundred and fifty people taken hostage.
The equivalent of that in the US would be forty
thousand Americans, to give you a sense of the magnitude.
Americans have supported the people of Visrael for the past
two years in big and small ways with the help
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of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. One way
is by joining a growing movement called Flags of Fellowship.
The Flags of Fellowship unites churches across America planning over
one million Israeli flags across our country show the world
that Israel is not alone. To get more information about
how you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit
IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Clay Travison, Buck Sexton, Mike drops that never sounded so good.
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcast.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
All right, everybody, welcome back in. I'm joined by my
friend Leland Viddert on Balance. Leland Vindert is a show
on News Nation program that I'm honored to occasionally get
to grace with my presence or I am grace by
its presence either way. And as speaking of presents, I'm
here in our c studio and I am feeling like
(42:53):
a like a fraternity bum or something. This guy comes
in here dressed like Gordon Gecko. This is the difference
between TV and radio. I'm wearing like sweatpants and a
fleece and Leland comes in here. Christp is one hundred
dollars bill ready for television at a moment's notice. So
I'm just saying, good for you, my friend. It's a
respect respect. You gotta do it how you do it.
(43:15):
We've got this book. It is doing very well, Born lucky,
a dedicated father, a grateful son, and my journey with autism.
This has really struck a chord with people. Tell everybody
a bit about it.
Speaker 10 (43:27):
So Buck Born Lucky is the story of my father
when I was diagnosed with autism, choosing to adapt me
to the world rather than the world to me. So
this goes back to the nineteen eighties, and this book
is for every parent of a kid having a hard time,
doesn't matter if it's a parent of a kid on
the autism spectrum, ADHD, anxiety.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Social issues, bullying at school.
Speaker 10 (43:50):
It is proof to parents of how much agency they
have and how much hope there is for a loving
parent to really dedicate to their kid and help their
kid be more and achieve their full potential in a
way they never would if they listen to the experts.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Tell me more about that part of this, like what
what are some of the hurdles, the artificial hurdles that
are put in place by expert opinion about autism. How
to deal with this and.
Speaker 10 (44:17):
What are the take Look, there is a movement in America,
and the experts will tell you to meet kids where
they are right. So you just sort of put little
Sally in a in bubble wrap and tell her that
she's perfect and everything's great and we're so proud of
you and everything else. Nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine. My
parents are told that I have to be evaluated, so
(44:39):
they take me to one of those little medical centers.
You're a new dad, worst thing a parent could possibly hear, right,
So they take me to one of these little medical
testing centers. Linoleum floors, old magazines, stale coffee whatever. The
woman comes back with me after two hours. They're nervous,
and the woman says to my parents, we have no
idea what's going on inside his head?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
What I what were some of the signs right? How
did you know the exactly? How did they know that?
Speaker 10 (45:01):
You know, I had terrible behavioral issues. So if a
kid touched me in the lunch line, I'd turn around
and slug them. I had awful behavioral issues, sensory issues.
Couldn't really wear a lot of clothes or socks or
anything else because I didn't like how it felt on
my skin. Big learning disability. So from the IQ test.
Two halves of an IQ test make up the average
(45:23):
of your IQ, but doesn't have to do an average
his additive. It just goes very high. Mine was half genius,
half mentally retarded. So twenty points spread in your IQ
test is a learning disability. I had a seventy point spread.
And the woman said to my dad, looked, you know,
there's not much you can do. And my dad goes,
as any father would, anything we can do, and she
(45:45):
goes generally not got to meet him where he's at.
And my dad said, if I meet him where he's at,
and I adapt the world to him and I give
him extra time on tests and behavior modification plans in
school and tell everybody what's happening, he's not going to
know how to operate in the real world. So this
was my dad's quest to adapt me to the real world.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
What were some of the things that in that process
he did he learned? Yeah, and congratulations to your father.
I mean, I also just so I have no personal
experience of anyone in my family with autism. I have
people and my extended family that have serious mental health challenges,
people who have have I have a second cousin with
(46:25):
Down syndrome, but I've never experienced somebody close to me
with autism, and so my knowledge of it is really
just from reading picking things up in the media. We'll
hear about the spectrum. What are some of the things
that your father had to learn and had to understand
to push you through this process.
Speaker 10 (46:43):
It is a great question, and this was much less
about autism because at the time autism was really not
understood very well. To a father leaning in and saying,
I am going to push my son to be more right.
So he knew I couldn't get self esteem from school
because of learning disabilities. I wasn't going to have any friends,
so I couldn't be the popular kid, and I couldn't
do athletics because I was completely uncoordinated. So it's six
(47:06):
years old. He started me doing two hundred push ups
a day as a way to start earning self esteem.
Two hundred push ups a day, five days a week. Now,
what expert wouldever tell a parent do that, right, But
it was to teach me effort in equals real results
and real achievement.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
He was big on character.
Speaker 10 (47:25):
He said, the two things you can control your character
and your work ethic. That was something that he forced
me to take a lot of pride in. And then
it was trying to teach me, almost minute by minute,
the social skills that come naturally to people and the
human equation. So he would take me out to lunch
with one of his friends. I had a lot of
free time because no kid wanted to hang out with me.
And we show you in Born Lucky. He would take
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me out and he would sit me down at lunch
with one of his friends. I'd start talking to the
guy in badgering him, and my dad would tap his
watch and that was the signal for me to stop talking.
Number one. But in Born Lucky, then we take you
into the right where he would sit there and be like, okay.
When mister Sexton never never buck, never buy a first name.
But when he was talking about his his new child
(48:09):
and his dog, why did you want to talk about
how many commercials are in his radio show? I don't
know dat. I thought it was interesting. Well, what do
you think mister Sexton wanted to talk about. It was
this minute by minute teaching of.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
The human emotional skills.
Speaker 10 (48:23):
Yeah, my emotional intelligence was about free in your freezing level,
iq EQ was freezing.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
So how long did it take? I mean I wouldn't
have known from I mean, we've known each other professional dude,
we're getting old. I brought I think I probably met
you a decade ago, so it's been at least yeah, yeah,
I mean it's been a long time. Did your show
at Fox a long time ago? I would not have known.
And again, I'm somebody who there's a lot of people
listening who have autistic children or grandchildren or have dealt
with this themselves, so they have a much higher understanding
(48:51):
of it. But in layman's understanding of it, I would
never have known that you struggled with autism. Is your
level of functionality in day to day unusual for somebody
who's ever been diagnosed with autism? I mean people always
talk about this spectrum. I mean, how do you describe
that so that there's.
Speaker 10 (49:12):
I'm not an expert on it, right, sure you experience
my own experience, though what I would say is it's
an everyday struggle.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Was was there a point at which though you were,
you felt like you were more normal. You know you really,
I'm saying, and like the point in times when you said, Okay,
I've caught up. I have that emotional intelligence.
Speaker 10 (49:31):
It's a great question. I would say, it's still a
struggle every day, every hour to force your mind to
think through the way that my dad taught me to
think rather than the way my mind normally would think.
In the book and Born Lucky compared a little bit
almost like alcoholism, that it's it's never a cure, something
you work on every day. But sure, you know, my
dad used to always tell me when I was bullied
(49:53):
and isolated alone in middle school and high school, what's
making you bullied and isolated and alone is what's going
to help you succeed later in life. And there was
a time, sure, once I got into TV and started
working that hard work, good character made up for a
lot of the emotional intelligence that I didn't have. But
(50:16):
certainly it's something I still deal with every day.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
So this was a progression over time. We're speaking to
Leland Wittert. The book is Born Lucky, a dedicated father,
a grateful son, and my journey with autism. Obviously this
this conversation. But autism also comes up a lot in
the context of RFK junior. And I'm not going to
put you on the spot. You're welcome, You're welcome to
Do you have thoughts? Yeah, do you have thoughts about
(50:41):
why there's been this explosion in diagnoses of this condition?
Which that part of it. I think everyone agrees that
a lot more of this than there has been.
Speaker 10 (50:49):
Absolutely, And I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist.
I have the chemistry grades to prove it. So I
won't discuss tailan audosing. You don't want to hear from
me on that. But I think it's fantast that this
is now the scientific question of our time. One in
fifteen hundred kids when I was diagnosed, now one in
thirty one, three times hire for boys and hire still
(51:10):
impoorer minority communities.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
This should be the.
Speaker 10 (51:12):
Scientific question of our time. And look, you're a new father.
If my wife was pregnant, I'm newly married and you said, hey,
check a box, your kid can have autism or not.
Every parent perspective, parent is checking no, right.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah, so it's a big challenge. I know that I
have friends who have autistic kids.
Speaker 10 (51:28):
Yeah, So why would we not try to solve this problem?
And I wrote an out bed in the Wall Street
Journal before Born Lucky came out, effectively saying, you know,
does the left or does the anti Trump crew hate
Trump more than they love our kids? Because if you're
all you're going to do is demonize RFK and Trump
on the search for this answer, that's the only explanation.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
So you believe obviously that the public focus, well the
Trump administration focused on this is clearly a good faith
effort to try to get at an answer that we
should all want. But of course this becomes politicized because
any Trump and RFKA Junior now are involved in people
view through a partisan lens.
Speaker 10 (52:04):
Right everything everybody who views everything now in America through
a partisan lens. And I think part of the reason
Born Lucky has gotten such a tremendous response, right we're
now in our third printing, in our first week, is
because it proves to parents how much hope there is
and how much agency they have, and no one is
telling parents that, whether it's autism or ADHD or anything else.
(52:24):
I had a parent come up to me and say,
your book speaks so much to me, and I knew
both of these women's kids. They were both very successful
college athletes at an Ivy League school. I said, you
know your kid didn't have a hard time. He said, oh, well,
my kid had a nut allergy. And they told me
when my son had a nut allergy, just to pull
nuts out of every classroom that he was going to
(52:45):
be in. And instead, I said, I'm going to desensitize
him to nuts. So that is the born Lucky story,
just through various different challenges that every parent faces.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
So now I'm one of these people that is particularly
interested in the book because it resonates with me. And
I'll tell you why. As I say, so, you are
a you know in our business. Just to be employed,
is I think successful?
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I mean no, really, I mean to be true. You know,
you have your own show. I share this huge platform
with Clay. The fact that we get to do what
we do is you're you're beating the odds and very
blessed and very fortunate. Right. But you're a TV presenter
and so your ability to connect with audiences is your
currency in one way or another. Right, That's the way
it works. I'm a radio host. I had a speech
impediment as a kid. I had a speech impediment, and
(53:28):
it made me so uncomfortable. I mean I would mispronounce
my own name, made me so uncomfortable that they thought
about pulling me out of school. And it was my
mother who really stepped in and said, no, I will,
I will work with him. No, we will figure this out.
And I went to speech therapy and I had tutors
after school and all of this because she didn't want
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me to be one of those kids who felt like
he couldn't be with the other kids. And that was
a remark. I will never be able to thank my
mother enough for that one. And the story that I
always tell us here I was a kid who could
not pronounce his name, true story. I could not pronounce
my own name in first second going into third grade,
constantly made fun of for that. And here I sit
(54:11):
on a microphone. We're speaking to a few million people
right now, something two to three million depends on the
say you've done pretty well. And so radio, which is
obviously about the ability to verbalize and communicate, is how
I make a living. And I started out with a
speech impediment, and then with the tutors. By the way,
they got me to the point where I was about
two years ahead of grade level in terms of academics
within eighteen months. So went from you can't speak, you
(54:34):
need to go to a special place, you can't stay
with your friends, to my mom saying, just like your
dad did, we're going to figure this out. And I
think that that really does resonate with people. It the
parents make the difference. Parents make such a huge difference
in all of this. Born Lucky is the book everybody.
I have a feeling right now, a lot of people
are going on Amazon, a lot of people are looking
(54:56):
to be a part of your third printing of this.
Congrats on the success of Leland Vidtert, and I'll be
seeing you on your News Nation show very soon, very soon. Indeed,
do great work over there, and thank you for this
important book. And good to see you here in the studio,
even though you make me feel like I'm underdressed in
my own studio. That's okay, though, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Oh.
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So he is working on his tan by the Gulf
of America. We are diving into the news of the day,
my friends, and there is a lot of it. More
on the showdown between the Trump administration and various Democrat
run cities, notably Chicago and Portland. But the mayor of
(00:45):
Chicago has done something pretty remarkable. He thinks that he
can create federal government enforcement free zones. And we shall
discuss what that looks like. We shall have a conversation
about how absurd the Democrat position on all of this
(01:06):
is getting. As a CNN anchor decides to throw down
with Stephen Miller, it does not go well. Spoiler alert
for the CNN anchor, Stephen Miller having none of it.
President Trump some comments yesterday from the oval that I
wanted to get to today. The government shut down continues.
I'm here in our nation's capital and I don't know,
(01:29):
feels fine, doesn't feel very shut down, like feels okay.
Things are kind of just doing what they do. So
there's that. We'll discuss the latest with it. And also
it is, of course the two year anniversary of the
October seventh terrorist attack by Hamas on Israel. Our friend
and podcast host Carol Markowitz will be with us in
(01:51):
the third hour to discuss some reflections two years on,
as the Trump administration is trying to bring a cease
fire and some kind of peace deal into effect in
that region. Has been two years of conflict. But I
wanted to dive in first to this situation, and it
(02:14):
is more of the deep state weaponization that we have
known about but continue to find new things out. This
is now the surveillance of United States Republican senators the
FBI well in this case actually came out from Senate
(02:34):
Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grastly. He released this publicly. But
the FBI, led by Director Patel and Deputy Director at Bongino,
is providing transparency as promised about what kind of weaponization
has occurred at the Federal Bureau of investigation and notably
on this Arctic Frost operation that they were running. This
(03:00):
is about election j six, twenty twenty stuff, and they
clearly were on a hunt for individuals that were political
targets instead of actual criminals. That's a problem. I think
Donald Trump summed it up well with this. This was
(03:21):
on Truth's social Durie. Jack Smith caught with his hand
in the cookie jar, a real sleeve bag. Indeed, the
President of the United States pulling no punches and letting
it be known how he feels about the unduly anointed
prosecutor Jack Smith in this whole situation. But we've got
(03:43):
this from the FBI. We have an electronic communications tally
here as in surveillance of the cell phones of toll
analysis records. You've got Mike Kelly, Lindsey Graham, I am
Bill Haggarty, Josh Holly, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tuberville, Ron Johnson
(04:05):
he'll be with us tomorrow, Senator Johnson, uh and Cynthia Loomis,
Marcia Blackburn, these are the names on this release. Well,
this is not just one of those times where we're
finding something out. There's already been action taken the FBI,
and this is from Director Patel has terminated some employees
(04:28):
that were involved in this. When the Republicans had their
private communications, their private phone calls tracked. Director Patel put
this out. We are cleaning up a diseased temple three
decades in the making, identifying the rot, removing those who
weaponize law enforcement for political purposes and those who do
(04:49):
not meet the standards of this mission, while restoring integrity
to the FBI. I promised reform and I intend to
deliver it. So that was in a statement to Fox News.
So that is where we are right now.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It is.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
More information to add onto the pile about weaponization of
government that has happened. But we had a G. Pam
Bondi testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on this issue.
I wanted you to hear it from the Attorney General herself.
This is cut two hit it.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
When I was confirmed as an eighty seventh Attorney General
of the United States, I took office with two mangals
to end the weaponization of justice and return the department
to its core mission of fighting violent crime. As to
ending the weaponization of justice, we learned that former FBI
secretly investigated you and your colleagues why they wanted to
(05:42):
take President Trump off the playing field. They were playing
politics with law enforcement powers and will go down as
a historic betrayal of public trust. This is the kind
of conduct that shatters the American people's faith in our
law enforcement system. We will work to earn, not back,
every single day.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's critical because when the people have a lack of faith,
and rightly so, in the fair minded in the ethical
application of the rule of law, especially when it especially
when it comes to the fearsome powers of the FBI,
(06:24):
when the public no longer believes that that is being
done in a non partisan fashion, we have a very
big problem on our hands. And the public is right
to not just question the FBI, but to have lost
tremendous respect for it as an institution. And that is
why Director Patel, Deputy Director Bongino, and other good men
and women in the FBI under this Trump administration are
(06:46):
trying so hard to first deal with the rot excise it,
but also to set things right. We cannot have an
FBI that is pulling the phone records of Republicans scents
to try to jam them up on some nonsense. We
already had an FBI, as we know that was involved
(07:07):
with the entire Crossfire hurricane debacle, involved in trying to
pin a lie on a President Donald Trump to destroy
his administration and perhaps even to send him and members
of his family and top advisors to prison. One thing
I will note, and you should all keep this in
mind too, there are a whole bunch of Republicans who
(07:29):
have actually gone to prison from Trump World. There's a
whole series of people that have served time for overwhelmingly
the most petty offenses imaginable. And we've seen an FBI
with James Comey that was willing to pretend it was
investigating laws that no honest person thinks are the basis
(07:52):
for any investigation, like the Logan Act against General Flynn
in the first Trump administration. So the weaponization has been broad,
it has been consistent, and it has been taken as
far as the investigative body, the FBI can take things,
meaning that they have brought these cases, they have used
these tools, they've used faiza and it is a very
(08:14):
dangerous thing, let me tell you, coming from a CIA
analysis background, when you have what is effectively the secret
police in a country playing games, using surveillance powers to
undermine one political party or another. It doesn't lead to
good places. In fact, sometimes it leads to a straight
(08:36):
up coup and maybe the head of the secret police
run a country. And it paid attention to James Comy
in recent years. That is terrifying. I think a Comy
administration might even be worse than a Kamala administration. And
I just read Kamala's book and it is also deeply,
deeply troubling because it is so boring and so awful
(08:59):
that you think this woman could have been president in
this country. I know Trump beat her soundly, but the
fact that so many people voted for her I think
should keep us all on guard. It is a wow moment.
One of the least talented politicians of our lifetime somehow
managed to be the Democrat nominee and got tens of
(09:21):
millions of votes. Anyway, back to FBI weaponization, I'm weaving.
Isn't that what Trump says? I'm weaving? Isn't that the
term right when he starts going off. I haven't used
that one in a while, But if Trump says it,
I'm weaving, I'm getting back to it. I don't think
Trump has said that in a while. Either. That was
a big Trump isn't for a while when he would
start to start to go on tangents. So, yes, the
(09:45):
reality here is cleaning up the FBI is absolutely essential.
I'm just a few blocks from the Hoover Building, so
it feels very close. It feels very real that this
is underway right now. But this is essential. And then
there's also speaking of cleaning up law enforcement, there is
the deployment issue here about National Guard going to these cities.
(10:06):
Pam Bondy also in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee
here saying to Senator Dick Durbin, another deeply, deeply unimpressive fellow,
very common esque in that respect. Here he is, or
rather here Pam Bondy is explaining that you know what,
national guards going to Chicago. Deal with it? Play three.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
The National Guard is on the way right now as
we speak. Oh, by the way, so is Director Patel
and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. You're sitting here grilling me,
and they're on their way to Chicago to keep your state.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Safe, Madam Attorney General.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Is my job to grill you?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Mm hmmm. No, I mean he could just ask questions
and be respectful. But however he wants to position this,
of course, but this is now going to let me
transition into this ongoing fight over bringing safety and security
to these cities and allowing for immigration and customs enforcement
to do their job without obstruction, without being unduly burdened
(11:10):
by lunatics in the streets who are throwing rocks and
bottles and lord knows what else at them. It is
time for a law enforcement reckoning here. Remember when it
came to January sixth, the Democrats were willing to not
only have the National Guard deployed for four or five
months with big fences around the Capitol, but they use
(11:32):
the FBI very much like a secret police force in
some third world country to hunt down people for nonviolent crimes,
to bust into their homes, sometimes in the pre dawn
hours with tactical teams. And I mean, just look what
they did. Well, they've done this so many times, what
they did to Roger Stone in an earlier era. They're
(11:53):
willing to abuse the powers of the FBI of the
DOJ for the most nakedly part in purpose. It's gotta stop,
and that means consequences. That means people have got to
get fired at. It means people have got to go
to prison. If they can send Bannon to prison for nothing,
and Navarro to prison for nothing, and a whole bunch
(12:15):
of others, maybe we can send some Democrats to prison
for something, as in breaking the law, which they've done.
I think that's where we need to go. I think
that's where people are recognizing we have to go. And
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(14:24):
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go and check that out now. U President Trump just
in the Oval office a few moments ago. He's down
the street. He's not far off from where I'm doing
the show. And here he is on the Democrat Party
what he thinks of their leadership thirty four and I really.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Think that these are people that I think they have
nothing to lose. They have a party that's out of control,
they have no leader, nobody knows who the leader is.
I look at people with very low IQs like Crockett,
this woman Crockett, I never met her, but she's a
low IQ individual. I look at AOC talking about how
if they want to negotiate, they can come to my office,
(15:24):
she's done in that position to do that, and who
the hell is she just say that? And then I
watched Nancy Pelosi not knowing what to do. Watch, I
watch their leadership. Look, Schumer is petrified of primary because
he's not going to win probably against anybody in a primary.
You know, Schumer did the right thing, but he handled
it badly. Originally a year ago, he did probably the
(15:46):
right thing, but he handled it badly. I think Schumer
is incapable of making a deal. They are a mess.
They're a party that has no leadership. They have and
they have no policy. You know, we have great we
have great. I think we have great leadership, but we
also have great policy. Their leadership loop. Schumer is petrified
(16:06):
of primary because he's not going to win probably against
anybody in a premery. You know, Schumer did the right thing,
but he handled it badly. Originally a year ago, he
did probably the right thing, but he handled it badly.
I think Schumer is incapable of making a deal. They
are a mess. They're a party that has no leadership.
They have and they have no policy. You know, we
(16:29):
have great, we have great I think we have great leadership,
but we also have great policy.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I think he's right, but let's let's unpack this for
a second. The claim from the President that the Democrats
don't have leadership right now, I think you'd have to
agree with that to the to the degree that it
is possible for me to be objective on this, which
I know is that's a challenge, right because I am
(16:56):
a Republican and don't agree with the Democrats. I understand
all that, But trying to take a step back and
look at this as honestly as possible. If the Democrats
had a day fat like the Taiwan but the brutal
experience of reading Kamala's one hundred and seven days and
it felt like it took one hundred and seven days
to read, so the title is apt. And really I
(17:19):
think she did not endear herself to anyone in the
Democrat party or the reader. I came away from it thinking,
this is a person who has never really been tested,
has been elevated by the system for superficial characteristics all along,
and you have somebody who's just not a talented politician,
(17:41):
got way beyond her skill set, and so I don't
think that she's going anywhere in politics. Meaning, I don't
think she's going somewhere. It's off the stage. You have
Gavin Newsom, Oh, you've got Pritzker. He's really trying to
make a go of things these days. He really believed
that he's a big deal. And this is what this
(18:04):
is the kind of leadership you this has cut ten,
this kind of leadership you get from this guy. He's
a jerk player.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
Donald Trump is using our service members as political props
and as pawns in his illegal effort to militarize our
nation's cities. For weeks now, Donald Trump, Christynome, and Gregory
Bovino have brought their militarized CBP and ICE agents to
the streets of Chicago to cause violence and chaos in
(18:32):
this city. They need to stop inciting our city's residents.
Since the beginning of this invasion, families have been snatched
up off the streets or removed from their homes, zip
tied and detained for hours, including especially US citizens and
legal residents of our state.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Inciting the people of Chicago. Think about the framing from
the governor here certainly thinks of himself as a heavyweight.
Think of the way that he discusses this The problem
isn't the riots. The problem isn't the lawlessness and the
(19:11):
disrespect shown to federal officers. It's that they're there and
Democrats in Chicago are having some kind of collective nervous
breakdown in response to it, and so they can't be
held accountable for their actions. That the real problem here,
The real issue is the deployment in the first place. Uh,
(19:37):
that's a That's a pretty crazy point of view, isn't it.
And yet this is the governor of Illinois who certainly
thinks himself as a contender for the Democrat the mantle
of Democrat leadership. Chuck Schumer, as Trump and others have
been discussing, he's just trying to hold on because the
Democrat Party that that he has managed to sit atop
(20:01):
in different ways for a long time now. He's been
involved in this longer than I That was funny, actually
funny yesterday we're talking to speak of the House. He's
like Buck, He's he's been doing this for almost as
long as I'm like, no, longer than I've been alive. Actually,
Chuck Schumer is Chuck Schumer has been in the Senate
longer than I have been on this earth. So that
tells you something. But this is where we are now,
(20:24):
Chuck Schumer running for cover. He knows the radical left
fringe of his party is ascendants, and they can't stop it.
This is the thing. They can't reason with their left
wing base any more than we can because they're lunatics,
and so by definition there's no way there's no common
ground to have with them. The only thing that they
(20:47):
can do is try to keep them at bay long
enough to fool enough voters, to keep the Democrat seats
in more purplish areas, and to try this is the
game every election cycle. Democrats, to win enough votes to
have power, have to pretend that they're not actually Democrats.
It's certainly what's going on with Alison whatever her name
(21:11):
is in Virginia, and by the way, it might as
well be whatever her name is her last name, because
her whole game is nobody knows anything about this lady. Really, like,
what does she stand for? I don't know the Democrat,
it's a lady. That's about all we know. You know,
span Burger, span Burger. What does span Burger stand for? Well,
(21:32):
if you really were to dig into it, it would
be probably abortion. All nine months of her pregnancy and
DEI and transgender stuff and all the but she doesn't
talk about that. The whole game is, I'm so boring
and lacking in charisma. How dangerous can I be? And
that's what a lot of these Democrats do. They put
(21:55):
forward this, this trojan horse in the Purple States of Well,
I'm not one of those aoc Mamdani Democrats. I'm something else.
And unfortunately, because a lot of people spend time thinking
about their lives and not politics, and I can respect that,
I don't really cast stones. I wish everybody was very
(22:15):
informed on these things, but you know, you got lives
to lead, and so they just whatever's on the TV.
They go, Okay, this person seems pretty moderate, and what
is a moderate Democrat these days? Chuck Schumer is starting
to look like a moderate Democrat these days, just because
he's not insane. I mean, he's bad news, but he's
not as looney as some of these others, and he's
(22:37):
maybe going to lose his job because of it. So
we go back to the initial question, or the initial
premise by President Trump, who's the leader of the Democrat Party.
This is the first time in a long time there
has not been an Nobody would have asked that question
obviously for the eight years of Obama, and if it
wasn't Obama, the answer was Clinton. And somehow, believe it
(22:59):
or not, what the answer wasn't Clinton, the answer became Biden.
So there there has been a leader of the Democrat
Party for a long time now. And I would argue
that in the in the Bush years, even the answer
was still Clinton for a lot of people. That's why
that show The West Wing where that half wit Martin
Sheen plays the like brilliant scholar president. It was really
(23:23):
just the stealth presidency for Libs during the during the
Bush years. And I remember I was in the CIA
at the time, and so yeah, I would flip this
thing on sometimes I'm like, oh, this is where the
where the Libs get to feel safe and warm. Oh
look at this president. He has a PhD in economics
and he likes baseball, just like all the Democrats these
you know, that was it was their fantasy land, their
Aaron Sorkin provided fantasy land presidency. But we've always known
(23:47):
who the leader is. We've always known who the who
the top dog is in the Democrat Party until now,
because there isn't one, and Trump is just pointing that out.
He's he's wait, wait, wait, did I say, yeah, Abigail
Span I got her name right, didn't I? He took
me a minute, Oh did I?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I said, there you go. That's how memorable she is. Alison,
Abigail Potato, Potato whatever. Yeah, Abigail span burger Man. She
really stands for a lot. Uh you know, no, no idea.
She's just hoping that enough Virginians get their politics from
(24:25):
having like the drone of CNN on in the background.
And then you know, when they're watching Who Wants to
Be a Millionaire, and there's some political ads running that say, oh,
she's gonna do great things for the schools and she's
gonna help working families. It's just the pablem, the the
milk toast. Like the way that Democrats win in Purple
(24:46):
States is like they it's like they smother you with
a boring pillow of it'll be fine. You know, she's
not gonna do anything crazy, and you just go, Okay,
how bad can it be? And at some level, by
the way, this was the Biden play in twenty twenty.
Good old Joe, He's so old he's so old and
(25:07):
and kind of feeble. How dangerous can he be? Well,
very as we saw, because he wasn't calling the shots.
The left wing activists around him were the ones calling
the shots. So, in a sense, the answer to the
question who's the leader of the Democrat Party is well,
because they're leftists and increasingly commies, it's really a collective.
(25:28):
You could say there is no one leader. There are
a bunch of different people who adhere to an ideology
of collectivism, and they like the Committee if you will,
they're like the Committee for the Undermining and Destruction of America.
That's what the that's the leader of the Democrat Party.
Other than that, you can put in a bunch of
different names. You know, you can look at narcissistic individuals
(25:52):
like Newsome and Pritzker, and you know what you think
about someone like Pritzker is I know these people say, oh,
he's a billionaire. Guys like, has he ever had a
I know he's the governor now. But let's be honest.
Anybody can do these jobs right. This is one thing
that we've learned in this new era of politics. It's
hard to get some of these jobs. You need a
(26:13):
lot of money. You need a lot of name recognition,
but doing it, I don't know. Look at some of
these people who have had these jobs. Has Pritzker ever
done a hard day's work? Is really the question. And
now I don't mean like in the gym, I mean
in general, has he ever done a hard day's work?
I don't think so. Does he have any understanding whatsoever? Oh?
(26:36):
People will say, but how dare you look at Trump?
He grew up also very privileged everything else. Yeah, but
people who do hard days work like him, and he
seems to understand them and have a kinship with them.
And you can't fake that because the people who do
the hard days work can tell they know. John Kerry
tried it, a lot of others have tried it. Oh,
(26:57):
I'm just like you. I'm like, hello, fellow working class people.
Look at my Carhart jacket like it doesn't work. It
doesn't work. Somehow Trump is different and we all know that. Uh. Look,
I'll take your calls here. Eight hundred two eight two
two eight a two Do you think who is the
leader of the Democrat Party? I put that question out
to you. Trump says there isn't one. I tend to
agree with him. I think right now, if we were
(27:19):
ranking them, I go, wow, this is like, this isn't
This is not a fun list. You know, this is
like ranking painful medical procedures or something. I go, Gavin
Newsom number one slot. I go, I might put AOC
at number two. And I know she's not senior in
(27:41):
the but she's power. She's more powerful than these other Democrats.
She just is. Please you think if Pritzker and AOC
go head to head, I mean, she's gonna She's gonna
smoke that guy. Uh So, yeah, we'll see. Let me
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(29:26):
have you on the program. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Hi Buck, thanks so much for having me two.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Years Carol, two years since the events of October seventh.
I want to get into some of the policy specific
conversation in a moment with where Trump is trying to
end this thing between the IDF and Hamas and all
of that, as well as some other news of the day.
But first I just wanted to ask you to reflect
on how you view this day and what you think
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about given what's happened over the last two years.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
You know, the first thing I want to say is
today is the first day of the Jewish holiday of Sukkote,
and I'm not a super observant Jew. I should be better,
but I'm not. But many observant Jews, our friend Josh Hammer,
some other people are offline today so they can't commemorate
October seventh. So I'm just so grateful for you and
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so many other people for noting this today in the
absence of Jews being online, and I think that that's
really incredible and special, and I feel just grateful to
have you as an ally, as a friend, and to
have non Jews care about what's going on in Israel
or with Jews in the world is so meaningful to me,
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and I hope that you know how much I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Oh, absolutely, Clay and I have felt very strongly about
this issue from the very beginning and have felt like
this was a clear case of right and wrong, not
just of course, on the horrible day of October seventh
and what was done to Jews in Israel, but so
much of what we saw afterwards I think was shocking
to people, Carol, who haven't followed this issue and don't
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understand some of the dynamics of play. I mean, the calls,
for example, the calls for a cease fire while the
Israelis were still counting their dead and preparing to bury
them was just an astonishing show of bad faith and
quite honestly the worst kinds of anti Semitism.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, And it's been just a really tough two years,
I would say. And it's interesting because I went to
Israel during that time and they are so resilient and strong,
and they're really they've been prepared for how long this
is going to take, and they understood it wasn't going
to be overnight, and all of that. They want their
hostages back so badly. But it has been a tough
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time to be a Jew in America, Jew in the West.
I have such faith in America and Americans, and I
know that it's just a tough time right now. But
it is hard to watch that commemorations of October seventh
are taking place in our biggest cities and they seem
like celebrations, and they're you know, Zionists quote unquote are
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being pushed out of various bases. I mean, it's been
going on on the left for years and years. I
wasn't very surprised about the reaction from the left on
October eighth. I know a lot of people were, but
I had seen it coming for the better part of
a decade. I just hope the right doesn't follow them
down that path. And like I said, I do feel
very comfortable and so blessed that I feel like conservatives
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are largely on the right side of this, and that
they I do feel like I have allies standing with me.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well, you know, Trump, I think is a consistent, consistent
ally and friend of the State of Israel, which is
and sees this issue with the clarity that it demands,
and on that issue of clarity. You know, we've had
you on Carol before to talk about the so called
genocide and the New York Times running a story with
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a photo as the primary photo of somebody who looks emaciated,
having nothing to do with hunger. It's actually a birth
defect or a congenital birth issue that that person had,
And I think it's you know, to me, it always
seemed like, hold on a second, there's not a genocide
going on, and here's why. And we made that case before.
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This is a term, of course that's thrown around with
the additional assault in the wound of the genocide that
was committed against the Jews in the Holocaust and World
War Two. So the opponents of Israel used this knowing
the full implications of the term in this context. But
now we have a peace plan, or at least a
ceasefire plan put forward. With all of these steps, it's
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essentially Hamas has to stop fighting, hostages have to come back,
and then there has to be some responsibility from the
Palestinian side. And it seems like it's not a genocide
because they say, no, we're going to keep fighting.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's amazing the first victims of genocide. Ever to say no,
we're going to keep going. It's baffling to me that
anybody cannot see what's going on here. And you're right,
Trump is such a friend to Israel. I am just
just I find his clarity on the matter to be breathtaking.
And you know, I make all of the Trump twenty
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twenty eight jokes in our tests because of it, because
I really feel like he holds back a lot of
the insanity around the world. And you know, when Britain
or France, when you recognize quote unquote the Palestinian state,
Trump sort of laughs at them and says, who cares
what they think? And that's meaningful and amazing that an
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American president is such a leader on the world stage.
But you're right, it's the idea that there's a genocide
going on while that population of Palestinians and Gaza has
actually grown in the last two years makes no sense.
And it makes no sense that it really chubby moms
are holding starving babies, because that's generally not the way
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that it goes. So I'd love to see more clarity
from other world leaders, if there's some really good ones.
The president of Argentina is amazing. The Prime Minister of
Italy is fantastic, but in general a lot of them
are afraid of their Muslim populations or their leftist base,
and they are really bringing down the idea of civilization
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around the world. It's not just about Israel. It's really
a civilizational question that they would have to contend with
in their own countries. What will our countries be with
this unchecked immigration that we've allowed to go on. It's
all tied together.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'd also note that if there was a starvation genocide underway,
the photos of it would be everywhere accessible and obvious.
It would not be in the least bit difficult in
the social media internet era that we all live in
to see this. And yet the reliance on photos by
the biggest newspaper in the United States, for example, that
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is essentially a falsified premise. I think that speaks very
loudly about what is going on here. What are the
chances they just happened to pick a photo that doesn't
depict what's going on if there are endless photos that would, right,
I mean, that just makes it makes no sense. You
can supply logic to this and it falls apart.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, and they cropped out his healthy looking brother out
of the photo because they wanted to project that the
starvation thing was happening, and the very healthy brother would
show that that wasn't going on.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
What is going on on the right with and you
know what I'm going to ask you, Carol, But to
the degree that we can cover some of this now,
there seems to be some how, some questioning that even
some hostility to Israel, specifically that I haven't seen from
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the right. On the left, it's been there for a
long time, yeah, But on the right it seems like
there's some problems bubbling up. Where is that coming from?
Speaker 4 (37:00):
You know, I don't want to ascribe bad motives to people.
I'm not going to say they're all paid by guitar,
although kind of seems like they're paid by guitar. It
really could be any number of things. I understand questioning
foreign aid, for example, But if you're questioning a foreign
aid means that Israel should be the first country stripped
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of it, I'm sorry that is not a real argument.
And a lot of the time there'll be people saying
we're allowed to criticize Israel. Of course, you're allowed to
criticize Israel. I criticize Israel. There's a million mistakes that
I think Israel has made before and since October seventh,
and you're absolutely allowed to criticize any number of things.
But the idea is that Israel is allowed to exist
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and should exist, and that is Zionism. So it's really
not that crazy to say Israel is a country. It exists,
it's going to continue to exist, and we should support that.
I hope the right doesn't get wound up in conspiracy theories,
which is largely what a lot of this comes down to.
And I get where it comes from. We were lied
to again and again and again over the last decade,
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and I feel like people have lost all faith in everything.
But you have to remember not everyone is lying to
you all the time, and it's you have to find
the people that you trust, and they shouldn't be people
who lie to you. If your favorite podcaster is telling
you things that you know to be a lie, they're
probably lying about other things as well, and that's how
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you should look at it. You should trust the voices
that you listen to, and if you can't do that,
then you shouldn't do it on anything you know.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
I've begun to see. Finally, because I've been trying to
make this case for a while as somebody who was
involved in some capacity among millions of other Americans, including
those who actually serve in the military. I was a
civilian trying to do a part of what we call
the g WAT, the Global War on Terror. But the
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level of violent hate that has been inculcada in some
of these Middle Eastern societies, and specifically in the case
of Gaza, I'm a little surprised that so many people
on the right seem to have either forgotten or aren't
able to draw the obvious parallels that these society that
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they're not upset about foreign eight in Gaza, that they're
not upset about the lack of some you know, some
agreement that would move things forward. They actually have been
trained and taught to hate Jews and Israelis. This is
very straightforward, and I think this has gotten lost in
the conversation, even on the right for some in a
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way that bears reminding everybody.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, I will say that poll after pole continues to
show that the people on the right support Israel, and
so no matter how many loud voices are trying to change.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I think that's an important distinction you're making. It's not
to interrupt your killalar.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
It hasn't moved the needle at all. I would say
that abortion is a more contentious issue on the right
than Israel is It's an overwhelming positive supportive point of
reference for the right on Israel. And so you know,
I don't know what again, what the motivations might be,
but I will say that anti Semitism is not a bigotry,
(40:15):
and I think when people think of it as a bigotry,
they get it all wrong. It is a it's a
mind virus. Once it grabs people, it's all they can
think about. So again, if you think, if your if
your favorite podcaster has suddenly become multiple wall Israel, every
single episode of Israel, Israel Israel. They're on a dark path.
And it's not about Jews as a kind of culture.
(40:39):
It's about a larger mind virus that will really swallow
them up. And you've seen this happen in societies in history,
where once it gets going, it really doesn't stop. So
I hope that the trend where the larger right just
blocks out those voices continues, and that's what.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I'm going to be Look, what are you going to
be talking about this on normally, Carol.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
So normally just celebrated our one year anniversary book Mary
Catherine Ham and I completely didn't realize the date, so
it's actually a year and a week and of half
or so. But we're really thrilled to be on the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network. It's been amazing.
We cover news of the day in a funny way
and I hope your listeners will tune in.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah. No, you guys are doing a great ladies, I
should say, are doing a great show and I love it. Yeah, Carol,
thank you so much for being here. Appreciate you talking
to you as always, and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Two years ago, we woke up to the horrific news
from Israel. The terrorists were on a rampage, slaughtering innocent civilians.
By the end of the day, the death toll was
twelve hundred, with two hundred and fifty people taken hostage.
The equivalent of that in the US would be forty
thousand Americans, to give you a sense of the magnitude.
Americans have supported the people of Visrael for the past
two years in big and small ways with the help
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of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. One way
is by joining a growing movement called Flags of Fellowship.
The Flags of Fellowship unites churches across America planning over
one million Israeli flags across our country show the world
that Israel is not alone. To get more information about
how you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit
IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Clay Travison, Buck Sexton, Mike drops that never sounded so good.
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcast.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
All right, everybody, welcome back in. I'm joined by my
friend Leland Viddert on Balance. Leland Vindert is a show
on News Nation program that I'm honored to occasionally get
to grace with my presence or I am grace by
its presence either way. And as speaking of presents, I'm
here in our c studio and I am feeling like
(42:53):
a like a fraternity bum or something. This guy comes
in here dressed like Gordon Gecko. This is the difference
between TV and radio. I'm wearing like sweatpants and a
fleece and Leland comes in here. Christp is one hundred
dollars bill ready for television at a moment's notice. So
I'm just saying, good for you, my friend. It's a
respect respect. You gotta do it how you do it.
(43:15):
We've got this book. It is doing very well, Born lucky,
a dedicated father, a grateful son, and my journey with autism.
This has really struck a chord with people. Tell everybody
a bit about it.
Speaker 10 (43:27):
So Buck Born Lucky is the story of my father
when I was diagnosed with autism, choosing to adapt me
to the world rather than the world to me. So
this goes back to the nineteen eighties, and this book
is for every parent of a kid having a hard time,
doesn't matter if it's a parent of a kid on
the autism spectrum, ADHD, anxiety.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Social issues, bullying at school.
Speaker 10 (43:50):
It is proof to parents of how much agency they
have and how much hope there is for a loving
parent to really dedicate to their kid and help their
kid be more and achieve their full potential in a
way they never would if they listen to the experts.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Tell me more about that part of this, like what
what are some of the hurdles, the artificial hurdles that
are put in place by expert opinion about autism. How
to deal with this and.
Speaker 10 (44:17):
What are the take Look, there is a movement in America,
and the experts will tell you to meet kids where
they are right. So you just sort of put little
Sally in a in bubble wrap and tell her that
she's perfect and everything's great and we're so proud of
you and everything else. Nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine. My
parents are told that I have to be evaluated, so
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they take me to one of those little medical centers.
You're a new dad, worst thing a parent could possibly hear, right,
So they take me to one of these little medical
testing centers. Linoleum floors, old magazines, stale coffee whatever. The
woman comes back with me after two hours. They're nervous,
and the woman says to my parents, we have no
idea what's going on inside his head?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
What I what were some of the signs right? How
did you know the exactly? How did they know that?
Speaker 10 (45:01):
You know, I had terrible behavioral issues. So if a
kid touched me in the lunch line, I'd turn around
and slug them. I had awful behavioral issues, sensory issues.
Couldn't really wear a lot of clothes or socks or
anything else because I didn't like how it felt on
my skin. Big learning disability. So from the IQ test.
Two halves of an IQ test make up the average
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of your IQ, but doesn't have to do an average
his additive. It just goes very high. Mine was half genius,
half mentally retarded. So twenty points spread in your IQ
test is a learning disability. I had a seventy point spread.
And the woman said to my dad, looked, you know,
there's not much you can do. And my dad goes,
as any father would, anything we can do, and she
(45:45):
goes generally not got to meet him where he's at.
And my dad said, if I meet him where he's at,
and I adapt the world to him and I give
him extra time on tests and behavior modification plans in
school and tell everybody what's happening, he's not going to
know how to operate in the real world. So this
was my dad's quest to adapt me to the real world.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
What were some of the things that in that process
he did he learned? Yeah, and congratulations to your father.
I mean, I also just so I have no personal
experience of anyone in my family with autism. I have
people and my extended family that have serious mental health challenges,
people who have have I have a second cousin with
(46:25):
Down syndrome, but I've never experienced somebody close to me
with autism, and so my knowledge of it is really
just from reading picking things up in the media. We'll
hear about the spectrum. What are some of the things
that your father had to learn and had to understand
to push you through this process.
Speaker 10 (46:43):
It is a great question, and this was much less
about autism because at the time autism was really not
understood very well. To a father leaning in and saying,
I am going to push my son to be more right.
So he knew I couldn't get self esteem from school
because of learning disabilities. I wasn't going to have any friends,
so I couldn't be the popular kid, and I couldn't
do athletics because I was completely uncoordinated. So it's six
(47:06):
years old. He started me doing two hundred push ups
a day as a way to start earning self esteem.
Two hundred push ups a day, five days a week. Now,
what expert wouldever tell a parent do that, right, But
it was to teach me effort in equals real results
and real achievement.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
He was big on character.
Speaker 10 (47:25):
He said, the two things you can control your character
and your work ethic. That was something that he forced
me to take a lot of pride in. And then
it was trying to teach me, almost minute by minute,
the social skills that come naturally to people and the
human equation. So he would take me out to lunch
with one of his friends. I had a lot of
free time because no kid wanted to hang out with me.
And we show you in Born Lucky. He would take
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me out and he would sit me down at lunch
with one of his friends. I'd start talking to the
guy in badgering him, and my dad would tap his
watch and that was the signal for me to stop talking.
Number one. But in Born Lucky, then we take you
into the right where he would sit there and be like, okay.
When mister Sexton never never buck, never buy a first name.
But when he was talking about his his new child
(48:09):
and his dog, why did you want to talk about
how many commercials are in his radio show? I don't
know dat. I thought it was interesting. Well, what do
you think mister Sexton wanted to talk about. It was
this minute by minute teaching of.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
The human emotional skills.
Speaker 10 (48:23):
Yeah, my emotional intelligence was about free in your freezing level,
iq EQ was freezing.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
So how long did it take? I mean I wouldn't
have known from I mean, we've known each other professional dude,
we're getting old. I brought I think I probably met
you a decade ago, so it's been at least yeah, yeah,
I mean it's been a long time. Did your show
at Fox a long time ago? I would not have known.
And again, I'm somebody who there's a lot of people
listening who have autistic children or grandchildren or have dealt
with this themselves, so they have a much higher understanding
(48:51):
of it. But in layman's understanding of it, I would
never have known that you struggled with autism. Is your
level of functionality in day to day unusual for somebody
who's ever been diagnosed with autism? I mean people always
talk about this spectrum. I mean, how do you describe
that so that there's.
Speaker 10 (49:12):
I'm not an expert on it, right, sure you experience
my own experience, though what I would say is it's
an everyday struggle.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Was was there a point at which though you were,
you felt like you were more normal. You know you really,
I'm saying, and like the point in times when you said, Okay,
I've caught up. I have that emotional intelligence.
Speaker 10 (49:31):
It's a great question. I would say, it's still a
struggle every day, every hour to force your mind to
think through the way that my dad taught me to
think rather than the way my mind normally would think.
In the book and Born Lucky compared a little bit
almost like alcoholism, that it's it's never a cure, something
you work on every day. But sure, you know, my
dad used to always tell me when I was bullied
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and isolated alone in middle school and high school, what's
making you bullied and isolated and alone is what's going
to help you succeed later in life. And there was
a time, sure, once I got into TV and started
working that hard work, good character made up for a
lot of the emotional intelligence that I didn't have. But
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certainly it's something I still deal with every day.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
So this was a progression over time. We're speaking to
Leland Wittert. The book is Born Lucky, a dedicated father,
a grateful son, and my journey with autism. Obviously this
this conversation. But autism also comes up a lot in
the context of RFK junior. And I'm not going to
put you on the spot. You're welcome, You're welcome to
Do you have thoughts? Yeah, do you have thoughts about
(50:41):
why there's been this explosion in diagnoses of this condition?
Which that part of it. I think everyone agrees that
a lot more of this than there has been.
Speaker 10 (50:49):
Absolutely, And I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist.
I have the chemistry grades to prove it. So I
won't discuss tailan audosing. You don't want to hear from
me on that. But I think it's fantast that this
is now the scientific question of our time. One in
fifteen hundred kids when I was diagnosed, now one in
thirty one, three times hire for boys and hire still
(51:10):
impoorer minority communities.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
This should be the.
Speaker 10 (51:12):
Scientific question of our time. And look, you're a new father.
If my wife was pregnant, I'm newly married and you said, hey,
check a box, your kid can have autism or not.
Every parent perspective, parent is checking no, right.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah, so it's a big challenge. I know that I
have friends who have autistic kids.
Speaker 10 (51:28):
Yeah, So why would we not try to solve this problem?
And I wrote an out bed in the Wall Street
Journal before Born Lucky came out, effectively saying, you know,
does the left or does the anti Trump crew hate
Trump more than they love our kids? Because if you're
all you're going to do is demonize RFK and Trump
on the search for this answer, that's the only explanation.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
So you believe obviously that the public focus, well the
Trump administration focused on this is clearly a good faith
effort to try to get at an answer that we
should all want. But of course this becomes politicized because
any Trump and RFKA Junior now are involved in people
view through a partisan lens.
Speaker 10 (52:04):
Right everything everybody who views everything now in America through
a partisan lens. And I think part of the reason
Born Lucky has gotten such a tremendous response, right we're
now in our third printing, in our first week, is
because it proves to parents how much hope there is
and how much agency they have, and no one is
telling parents that, whether it's autism or ADHD or anything else.
(52:24):
I had a parent come up to me and say,
your book speaks so much to me, and I knew
both of these women's kids. They were both very successful
college athletes at an Ivy League school. I said, you
know your kid didn't have a hard time. He said, oh, well,
my kid had a nut allergy. And they told me
when my son had a nut allergy, just to pull
nuts out of every classroom that he was going to
(52:45):
be in. And instead, I said, I'm going to desensitize
him to nuts. So that is the born Lucky story,
just through various different challenges that every parent faces.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
So now I'm one of these people that is particularly
interested in the book because it resonates with me. And
I'll tell you why. As I say, so, you are
a you know in our business. Just to be employed,
is I think successful?
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I mean no, really, I mean to be true. You know,
you have your own show. I share this huge platform
with Clay. The fact that we get to do what
we do is you're you're beating the odds and very
blessed and very fortunate. Right. But you're a TV presenter
and so your ability to connect with audiences is your
currency in one way or another. Right, That's the way
it works. I'm a radio host. I had a speech
impediment as a kid. I had a speech impediment, and
(53:28):
it made me so uncomfortable. I mean I would mispronounce
my own name, made me so uncomfortable that they thought
about pulling me out of school. And it was my
mother who really stepped in and said, no, I will,
I will work with him. No, we will figure this out.
And I went to speech therapy and I had tutors
after school and all of this because she didn't want
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me to be one of those kids who felt like
he couldn't be with the other kids. And that was
a remark. I will never be able to thank my
mother enough for that one. And the story that I
always tell us here I was a kid who could
not pronounce his name, true story. I could not pronounce
my own name in first second going into third grade,
constantly made fun of for that. And here I sit
(54:11):
on a microphone. We're speaking to a few million people
right now, something two to three million depends on the
say you've done pretty well. And so radio, which is
obviously about the ability to verbalize and communicate, is how
I make a living. And I started out with a
speech impediment, and then with the tutors. By the way,
they got me to the point where I was about
two years ahead of grade level in terms of academics
within eighteen months. So went from you can't speak, you
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need to go to a special place, you can't stay
with your friends, to my mom saying, just like your
dad did, we're going to figure this out. And I
think that that really does resonate with people. It the
parents make the difference. Parents make such a huge difference
in all of this. Born Lucky is the book everybody.
I have a feeling right now, a lot of people
are going on Amazon, a lot of people are looking
(54:56):
to be a part of your third printing of this.
Congrats on the success of Leland Vidtert, and I'll be
seeing you on your News Nation show very soon, very soon. Indeed,
do great work over there, and thank you for this
important book. And good to see you here in the studio,
even though you make me feel like I'm underdressed in
my own studio. That's okay, though, that's okay.
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