October 13, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues its deep dive into the historic Middle East peace agreement brokered by President Donald Trump. Buck Sexton is joined by columnist and podcast host Karol Markowicz for a compelling conversation on the geopolitical, cultural, and moral dimensions of the peace deal and the return of hostages from Gaza.
The hour opens with reflections on Trump’s bold assertion that the peace agreement will endure, marking a pivotal moment for Israel and the broader region. Buck and Karol discuss the emotional impact of the return of 20 hostages, the horrors they endured, and the global silence surrounding their captivity. Karol highlights the failure of European nations to support the peace process and praises the Trump administration for its decisive leadership.
A central theme is the weakening of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. The hosts explore internal power struggles within Gaza and the role of regional players like Egypt, Qatar, and Turkey in enforcing the peace. They credit Trump’s strategic pressure and military actions—particularly the 12-day war with Iran—for reshaping alliances and forcing Hamas to accept terms they initially rejected.
Karol emphasizes the need for a cultural shift in Gaza, advocating for a future built on peace, prosperity, and coexistence. She praises Trump’s deal-making approach and the economic incentives that could transform Gaza into a stable, thriving region. The episode includes a live segment from Trump’s speech in Egypt, where he declares that World War III will not begin in the Middle East and calls for a future free of ancient feuds and hatred.
As a Jewish American conservative, Karol shares her personal reflections on the past two years of rising antisemitism and hostility toward Israel. She expresses gratitude for the support from the political right and describes the emotional significance of Hostage Square being renamed Freed Square in Israel.
The hour also critiques the United Nations, questioning its relevance in light of Trump’s success in achieving peace without its involvement. A caller from Pennsylvania echoes this sentiment, suggesting the UN has become obsolete and praising Trump’s direct diplomacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Get's going right now, and our friend Carol Markowitz is
in the mix. Oh, Clay had to step away, so
it's just gonna be me guys on the host side
for the rest of the show. Clay is in Mississippi
and he is doing an interview of a sports legend.
I had not heard of the fellow before, but apparently
very important in the SEC sports world. So that's going on,
(00:24):
and I am here with Carol Markowitz in the meantime,
and Carol, you know what, First of all, congrats two
years this week of the Carol Markwitz program on the
Clay and Buck podcast network. So there's a lot of
celebration going on all over the place today, a lot
of celebrations. Some people are saying a day of celebration.
You know, we're gonna look into it. Day of celebration everywhere.
(00:48):
But let's actually speaking of Trump kind of. Let's just
a few moments ago he said this, This has cut
thirty guys on his Gaza piece plan the signing of it.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Play this one just.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
To three thousand years to get to this point?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Can you believe it?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And it's going to hold up to It's going to
hold up.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I mean, Carol, Sorry, please God, Carol, bold talk from
mister Trump. But I think a lot of people are
saying he's got the hot hand. Don't doubt him.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I agree if anybody who's doubting him right now is
making a big mistake. I think that he is in
a really good position to enforce this piece. I of
course worry about what's going to happen in three years
when he is out of office. You know, I've been
making the Trump twenty twenty eight joke because of this,
But it's going to be really tough for anybody to
follow in his footsteps and to enforce the piece that
(01:43):
he's established. In the Middle East. I think that it
is a very hopeful moment. It's a hopeful moment for
that whole region. They should take this opportunity that Trump
has given them and live peaceful lives.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's a huge moment for the Israeli people today with
the return of those there twenty hostages who were still
held alive in captivity in Gaza. Carol, I do think, though,
it should be noted just how vile it is that
there were hostages taken in the first place, that so
(02:16):
many of the hostages died in captivity. And also, while
I know it's it's joyous for the families to have
their loved ones back, the treatment of the hostages was horrific.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yep, it was appalling, and the world was largely silent
about it. America was really the bright spot in this
and they it really it showed. It showed because when
Britain North in France are now trying to take credits
for this piece deal when they really stood in the
way of it at every opportunity, really appalling. But yeah,
you're absolutely right. You know, my nine year old at
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one point during the last two years said to me,
why doesn't Israel just take their people and hold them
hostage and then they could you know that then they'll understand.
And it's so hard to convey to him that civilized
countries don't do this, that this is not the work
of civilized people. They don't steal babies and their mother
isn't kill them in captivity. That is just just it's
horrendous to even think about. And the fact that Israel
(03:14):
is coming out of this strong and united is a
real bright point for me.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, it seems the Israeli people recognize the well, the
incredibly momentous nature of what is going on here.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And let's talk about that a bit, because.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
When you and I haven't gotten into some of the
details that have come out about the negotiations and specifically
Trump's role in it. But yes, it was only possible,
and even his biggest attractors, some of his biggest attractors,
are admitting that without Trump, this deal doesn't happen the
way that it did. But some of the regional players,
(03:51):
you know, some of the regional countries put real pressure
on Hamas here too, which is an indicator.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Right, it is hopefully that holds up as well. I
hope that these countries don't backtrack on that. I hope
they see Hamas as the losers that they are. And
the fact that the last two years didn't have to happen.
October seventh didn't have to happen, and all the days
since then didn't have to happen. So all the people
who pretended that they wanted peace for the last two years,
now that peace is here, I'd love to hear them celebrating.
(04:21):
But you're right, the countries in the Middle East need
to enforce this as much as anybody else does. They
need to say to Hamas that the days of killing
innocent people and doing things like this is over. More
than anything else, they all need to accept that Israel
isn't going anywhere. And I hope that they can do that.
I know that is a stretch for a lot of
the countries. You know, it's a stretch for a lot
of the people who have been radicalized. But that's the
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main goal here, is to say Israel's not going anywhere.
How do we live in peace side by side?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
How do you feel about the prospects for Hamas being
truly pushed aside in all this? One of our callers
in the last hour brought up that there's been some
facts fighting inside of Gaza already between the moss terrorists
and this this this sort of entity, this group, I believe,
(05:09):
a family that has considerable sway inside of Hamasastan if
you will, And there's clearly a score settling and a
jockeying for power that's going on there. But is it
just going to be on Israel's shoulders once again that
if Jimas starts starts breaking the deal, Yahoo and the
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IDF are going to have to go in there and
finish the.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Right Well, absolutely, if Hamas starts breaking the deal, there's
no question that they're going to have to go back in.
But the real question is what if that area breaks
out into a civil war? What if they are fighting
each other? What is Qatar? What is Egypt?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
What do they do? Then?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
What do all the countries that are involved in this
peace process do at that point? And it's hard to
say because who are the good guys in that situation?
Nobody really knows, And I you know, again, I'm hopeful
about that about this moment, but there's so many you know,
details here that are really large questions hanging over the
whole thing. Again, I hope these countries all step up
(06:08):
and do the right thing and enforce peace overall, but
you know, it gets really murky over there.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, of course, So speaking of Carol Markowitz, hosts of
The Carol Markowitz Show and which is two year university
normally also with Mary Katherine ham on the Claim Buck
podcast network. So walk me through some of the what
do you see as critical for what comes next here
because we haven't the first hour. Just you know, Carol
was this is amazing, so happy for the families. You
(06:36):
might have heard some of it. You know, Trump giant
win for him. You know, forget about Mount Rushmore, it
should be Mount trump Moore at this point, right. I mean,
people are all very excited about this, But what comes next.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It's so hard to say because of that internal struggle
and because they've been for so long radicalized to believe
that they could end Israel at some point. If the
last two years have shown that region any thing, it's
that Israel isn't going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Iran Twelve Day War was very instrumental in that. I
think guitar is thinking twice about their alliance with Iran
at that point, because Iran was supposed to be the
lion that they were supposed to be the ones who
would should they get involved in a war in the
Middle East, that war would end very quickly and Iran
would be the victor. Turns out that's not the case.
So these countries needed this reality check. It's unfortunate that
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it came in such a way with so many people dead,
but this is the truth there is that they need
to accept Israel and they need to understand that all
of the previous things that they've done to harm the
relationship of Israel with other countries. It needs to come
to an end. They could have peace, That's what Trump
is saying to them. You could live peacefully. You can
(07:44):
have Gaza be a beach resort, you can be different,
you can raise your children differently. That's really what I
hope happens here.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yes, that's the huge mindset shift that we're all hoping
occurs here for these Middle Eastern people's Middle Eastern countries.
So that aspect of it, I think is very much
to be decided. But there's reason to believe, there's reason
for optimism. I would say, in a region where optimism
(08:15):
has been in deeply short supply for a long time.
And on the optimistic side of things, I mean, Carol,
just looking at this from a you know, former CIA
targeting and that perspective, hes belah weakest that has been
in certainly recent memory, hamas weakest it has been on
(08:36):
weakest that has been. I mean you start to look
at the regional evildoers, I mean, the malefactors, the bad
players in all of this, and they have been substantially
brought to heal.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
They have. Yeah, and again this couldn't have happened. A
lot of the things that you mentioned could not have
happened without the alliance between the United States and Israel.
What always happens when Israel gets attacked, and this is
true even when those Republican presidents, they are stopped from
finishing any of the jobs that they need to finish.
In this case, Donald Trump gave Israel so much space
(09:12):
to do what they needed to do and to not
prematurely end the conflict, which is generally what happens. When
I was in Israel last year or two years ago,
many people said to me, you know what always ends
up happening at the end of these wars is our
greatest ally says that's enough. That's how that's how the
war ends. It doesn't end because we finished the job.
It's because America says no more. This time, Donald Trump
(09:35):
said no, They're going to get to do what they
need to do to end this. And that's the only
way piece is really possible here. Donald Trump has been
a miracle for that region. And you hear israeli is today,
you know, posting their their thoughts online and they're all
so grateful and they understand that it is Donald Trump.
It was President Trump, who led the way on this,
(09:56):
and they really really get that it's America's role that
has led them to peace.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
If you could speak, also, Carol, to the perspective of
a proud American Jew as you are, and what it
has been like for the last two years to see
some of the you know, yes, debate and discussion is
always fine, and these are rady issues of foreign policy
and war and peace. But there was something else that
(10:22):
gained a lot of steam over the last two years
here at home, never mind the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And I know it was it was troubling to see
it was.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
But I still think it was largely on the left.
I know that the right is going through its own
insane moment right now, but I still think it's so limited.
Every poll shows that the right continues to be in
the right place in terms of Israel, in terms of
Jews in America. So I've been grateful to be a
conservative these last two years because my non Jewish friends,
my Clays, and my bucks have been so behind us
(10:53):
and so amazing that it's been heartwarming and comforting and secure. Really,
I felt so secure in my conservative beliefs because my
side was on the right side and there's a lot
to that. A lot of my liberal Jewish friends have
been scrambling the last two years and openly said that
none of their friends say a word about any of this,
and don't talk about the fact that Jewish kids on
(11:16):
college campuses can't go to classes and they're being harassed
and sometimes hurt, and their friends don't say a word.
And I'm like, well, my friends said many words. And
I feel so grateful for you, so grateful for Clay,
so grateful for many others on the conservative right. I
think that we're in a strong place where we have
a hopeful future. And I you know, it feels good
(11:36):
right now to be a Jewish conservative.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well, I still sit here and you and I have
had this conversation before. Left wing left wing Jews are
It's a little bit like left wing Catholics to me.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
But that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'm just like, what are you doing, Like, explain to
me how this is a thing that you are going
to hold up politically speaking. But anyway, I also, I
know you have friends and even some extended family in
Israel on your on your husband's side, on Shai's side.
What's the feeling like over there, I mean just described
to me because I know you're in contact with them.
(12:10):
How are they doing today?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Just such joy and gratefulness. His sister, a sister is
there and she's sending pictures from the Hostage Square has
now been renamed Freed Square, and it's just it's an
amazing moment. I have to say that I think a
lot of Israelis believed this moment as possible. I'm a
very optimistic person, but I did not think this is
(12:33):
going to happen. I really didn't. I thought those hostages
would meet a terrible end in captivity. I have to
admit that I didn't believe. And I thought those yellow
ribbons that people wore, I thought they'd wear them forever.
So they had hope that I simply didn't have. I
guess they had to have that hope, that hope being
realized today. It just smiling faces, national holiday, biggest deal ever.
(12:55):
Over there.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Jack got the Carol marker, which show everybody on the
clan Buck podcast network look for her columns in The
New York Post. Carol, hugs to you, Shy and the
whole family, and a great day, and thank you so
much for joining to share your thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Thank you.
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It's the huge historic day Trump's Middle East peace taking effect,
and we have the president in Charmel Shak, Egypt, lanked
by world leaders talking right now.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Let's join and hear what he has to say.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Be done to lift up the people themselves. But we
don't want to fund anything having to do with bloodshed,
hatred or terror, as this happened in the past, and
for the same reason. We're also agreed that Gaza's reconstruction
requires that it be demilitarized and that a new, honest,
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civilian police force must be allowed to create a safe
condition for the people in Gaza. As I said earlier,
I intend to be a partner in securing a better future.
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with the United States, and we're going to make sure
that the Middle East is going to be a safe
and secure place. It's a very important place in the world,
(15:33):
means so much. There's so many people said the Middle East,
and this has been going for many, many decades. I've
read it many times that World War three will begin
in the Middle East. It's not going to happen. That's
not going to happen. There was a time that you
would have thought it could have, but it's not going
to happen. There won't be World War three, hopefully at all.
But it's not going to start in the Middle East.
(15:54):
We're not going to have a World War three. If
we're smart, never be a World War three. Our work
begins right year and right now. From ancient times, this
region has been extraordinarily mixed with respect to people, culture, religions,
all of the different elements of national characters, unlike maybe
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anywhere else on earth. And for three thousand years there's
been conflict for whatever reason, there's been tremendous conflict, always conflict.
But today, for the first time anyone can remember, we
have a once in a lifetime chance to put the
old feuds and bitter hatreds behind us. And that's why
so many people in this room they didn't get along.
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Some didn't, but they're getting along now. This has brought
the people together. This is the first time the Middle
East crisis has brought people together as opposed to driving
them apart, and to declare that our future will not
be ruled by the fights of the generation's past, which
is foolish. So together, this continue and the spirit of cooperation,
a goodwill that is fine, brought us to this incredible,
(17:02):
historic breakthrough. If we do together, we will reach the
Middle East incredible destiny, a safe and prosperous and beautiful
crossroads of culture and commerce, faith in humanity, and geographic center.
This will be the geographic center of the world. So
I just want to thank everybody for being here. I
(17:24):
want to thank you all.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
For what you amazing, amazing stuff from President Trump in Egypt,
just their live and honestly the best day I can
remember in the Middle East period. I don't have anything
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East Peace Day, Trump on the World Stage Day. A
lot of stuff happening and mostly very good, very encouraging,
very promising, happy to see it. And that is this
(19:16):
weemer We take stock of our wins here on this
show as well. We don't just do the catas everything.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Everything is terrible, nothing matters, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
That's it's such a boring and cheap way to get
attention for content, whether it's written or spoken or TV.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
We don't do that.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
When there's problems, we say there are problems, and we
talk about how to fix them. When there are wins,
we take a moment to describe and enjoy together those wins.
And today is certainly a big win for the Trump administration,
for Israel and for the broader Middle East. And if
you hear any growling in the background, it is because
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the microphone here. All right, let's get let's dive into this.
(20:18):
I think this is really interesting, the details of how
Trump got this deal to go through. Wall Street Journal
had a really excellent write up on this in the
last twenty four hours, and let me let me share
some of this with you. When Hamas leader Khalil al
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Haya first saw President Trump's plan for peace in Gaza,
which demanded that his group disarm with few concrete steps
to ensure Israel would end the war, his immediate reaction
was no. The plan, heavily amended by Israel and presented
to Hamas by the Katari Prime Minister and egypt spy chief,
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look nothing like what Haya had been led to expect. Hyah,
who less than a month earlier had been a target
of Israel's audacious attack on Hamas in Kutter, told his
visitors the group would keep its Israeli hostages until it
had enforceable guarantees the war would end. But two days
later Hamas came back to Arab mediators with a yes.
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The deal hadn't changed the picture on Hamas had Egypt,
and Cutter told Haya the deal was his last chance
to end the war. According to the officials, they pressed
Hamas to understand that holding the hostages was becoming a
strategic liability, giving Israel a source of legitimacy to keep fighting.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
End quote.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Okay, this is really important because we often think of
this as a US Israel idf action. Right, It's like
we're negotiating, Trump is negotiating, Israel's doing the fighting, and
we have intermediaries over there. But clearly the diplomacy that
the Trump administration was nengaged engaged in, and really negotiations
(22:10):
more like a business deal than what I think your
general diplomat would be engaged in. Right, Trump has a
different approach to this stuff. I mean diplomats. I've known
State Department diplomats. I've been around State Department diplomats in
an earlier life when I was a government guy myself.
They don't get stuff done. It's just not a culture
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of getting things done. It's a culture of process. The
State Department is, by its very nature, a lethargic bureaucracy
that mostly exists to exist because we got to have
diplomats somewhere, we got to have open lines of communication
with these different countries, et cetera. But generally, the results, overwhelmingly,
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the results are really unimpressive.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Trump comes in there.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
And he's got sleeves rolled up, He's got his team
led by Marco Rubio, whom I might point out Trump
is saying is going to go down in history as
the greatest secretary of state in our history. Now, I'm
gonna say I think Rubio. Full credit to Rubio for
doing a phenomenal job so far. But if you're talking
secretaries of state in all history, there have been some
(23:21):
pretty big moves, you know, right, didn't one of them
buy Alaska?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I mean, there's been some pretty big stuff. So I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I'm not saying Marco is not going to get there,
but number one for Marco all time, number one, maybe
our lifetime, sure, number one all time. We still got
a little work to do, you know, There's there's still
some things that have to be looked at here. But
certainly it has been the administration's team that got us
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to this point, which is an incredible success. And the
fact that you have these other Mid East countries that
were willing to tell Hamas you gotta knock this crap
off and end this war like enough is enough? Is
really indicative. I think of how much the pressure that
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Trump's team was bringing to bear had borne fruit, how
much this was really moving the ball downfield because Cutter,
as you know, these really has launched a strike, and
Cutter then Trump had the hole, come on, you gotta apologize.
I mean, Trump has been the guy in the bar
here who is holding back two guys who have really
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bloodied each other up. And one of them started it,
and some us one of them is responsible for the fight.
But he was able to stand in between these combatants
and say, all right, you're gonna knock this off. And hey,
you if they knock it off, you're willing, You're willing
to let it go right, you know, we're gonna stop
this thing. And you needed that, you needed that to
(24:56):
get us to this point. But that term would for example,
Turkey is way too favorable toward Hamas for a whole
bunch of reasons, but that Turkey was going to say,
if you don't agree to this deal, we're you're on
your own. Basically, Turkey was telling Hamas, we're cutting you loose.
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That's a big for people who have been following the
region another that's big stuff. You know, Hamas has been
far too willing, or rather Turkey has been far too
willing to be there in support of Hamas through through
thick and thin. Finally it got to be too thin,
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finally got to be too much. So this campaign that
got the final the final really surrender. It's Hamas is surrendered.
It's a surrender with guarantees, but surrender is what this
is and that's.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
What it should be. Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
The the members of Hamas who are still alive should
consider themselves lucky. I know Hamas is a death and
they love sending other people to die and to kill
as many innocent Israelis and Jews as possible. I know
that's what Hamas really is at its core, but it's
still for the leadership that somehow doesn't like to die.
The Hamas leadership, they don't like to be suicide bombers.
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They would have sent other people to be suicide bombers.
But for Hamas leadership, they should count themselves very lucky,
very fortunate that they still have their lives at the
end of this because Israel would have been well within
its rights. And really, I have argued from the beginning,
Israel had an obligation to wipe Hamas out after what
they did on October seventh, and a moral obligation to
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the Israeli people and to the world. To the degree
there isn't international community, to humanity, Israel had an obligation,
a moral and ethical one as well as just a
national security imperative, to hunt Hamas down, and they have
done so, and they have been incredibly effective as well
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as ethical in that process. That does not mean perfect.
War is never perfect. There will always be civilian casualties.
There's always going to be collateral damage to a city.
But now even it will become more clear than ever.
The people who were telling you that there was mass
starvation in Gaza as a result of Israeli policy were lying.
(27:24):
The people who are saying that Israel was engaged in
a genocide, we're lying. This is going to become even
more clear in the days ahead. Those voices are just
going to try to fade, I might add, they're going
to fade, and you're going to hear a lot less
of them. But what they were saying was a slander,
and it.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Was morally.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Obtuse, it was decrepit, it was disgraceful, and that is
what they were doing intentionally during a time of war,
to confuse as much as they could America as an
ally of Israel in this process. This was always very
clear to me and to Clay, and to Clay's immense credit,
(28:09):
I know he's away for the rest of the show today.
We never coordinated response. We never had to say, well,
you know, we're going to be disagreeing or agreeing on
this or anything like that. From the moment October seventh
happened forward, we saw this through the same moral lens,
(28:29):
and I think that's I have obviously an international relations
national security background, but Clay's just a very high IQ,
high wattage guy, and also with a very clear sense
of right and wrong. And so we never had static
on this show. We never had a sense of, oh,
(28:49):
but maybe Israel has gone too far, or maybe Israel
is engaged in a genocide. That never and you know this,
you who have been listening for these two years, that
never entered into our conscious on the show for one second.
And we followed this as closely as we could from
Afar and Clay went to get ground truth in Israel,
as you know, last December. But and I'm very proud
(29:12):
of that. And as I've been saying, I've had a
lot of people come up who are listeners to the show.
And I have a tremendous number of conservative Miami Beach
American Jews who listen to this show. I know because
when I'm walking the streets, they come up with me
and the first thing they say is great show. The
second thing they say is thank you for standing with
Israel and not.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Not you know, abandoning would be extreme, but even being
a bit wishy washy on it, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Even getting to a place where you start, oh, I'm
just asking questions. You know, is really the good guy here?
Or is the idea of really justified? Is no none
of that nonsense here for one second? And now that
this conflict is over, I think people will be able
to look back on it with even more factual clarity
(29:59):
about who was accurate and who was playing propaganda with
this stuff. So these are all important considerations. These are
all things that I want us to remember as we
move forward, and we will continue to cover this and
look to see what happens with Hamas and look to
see what regional players want. A more stable and prosperous
(30:22):
at least. But this is the question of the moment.
Are there Muslim majority Arab countries, including now perhaps a
majority of the Palestinian people, who want their lives to
be about whether their kids are able to pick the
careers they want, build the families they want, and have
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the futures that they want, or is it going to
be you know, suicide bombers, a la huac bar and
all the other nonsense and atrocities that we have seen
for decades. That's really what it comes down to. This
is a choice. The Israeli stand on the other side
of is willing to say, okay, we can move forward
(31:05):
with that positive, with that prosperous future, and America and
other partners here are willing to be.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
There in assistance to.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Build a Gaza where the lights stay on, the water's
clean to drink, the.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You know, the the businesses can flourish and we can
do that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
You know, Gaza can be I'm on, Gaza can be
a safe, you know, reasonably happy and prosperous place. And
everywhere has their challenges, but you know, there's an old
joke about and I say this, I've been to Jordan,
and I think the Jordanians are great people and they're
actually great allies to America too. But people joke around
(31:49):
that it's the hash of my Kingdom of boredom because
not a lot goes on there. Now, that's unfair, and
there's Petro and there's a lot of cool stuff, but
there's a very low crime rate in I'm on. So
it's really with praise in a sense that it's boring.
It's a very low crime rate and generally a stable place.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Gaza could be a.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Stable, reasonable place too. It does not have to be
some terrorist hellhole, doesn't have to be that. And now
maybe maybe that can happen, and it will be because
of the people that have seen this with clarity along
and also brave DF soldiers who took the fight to
Gaza and did what was necessary. And President Trump negotiating
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Trump's standing with Israel when they debilitated diminished Hesbullah. So
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Hey, buck, greetings up from one tennis player to another.
I wanted to just comment right now, no one's talking
about who's not involved in any of this, and that's
the u N. And I was watching the soundown, of course,
but I was watching Fox News and President Trump's address
(35:12):
that he recently that he just gave, and Carse Armor
uh was behind him standing there looking like a deer
in headlights, thinking what am I doing here? How can
I how can I get the UN involved? And to me,
I'm hoping that this is the beginning of the end
for u N, for the UN, inasmuch as it's it's
(35:34):
no longer relevant. I mean, if President Trump is going
to have this Board of peace, what is it? What
function of the does the u N serve anymore? Uh now,
Jimmy obviously NATO?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, and these are these are all great questions. And
I think that the answer is the u N is
a little bit like a little bit like the Emmys.
Now you know, it exists, and maybe people are somewhat
happy knowing that it exists for some reason. And we
could debate that, but it doesn't really matter and it
doesn't really do anything. So I think I think that's
(36:11):
increasingly where people are on the United Nations. It's a
place where people gather to pointlessly talk about things that
they won't change. Meanwhile, President Trump, who so much of
the un faithful have had nasty things to say about
over the years, President Trump.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Is getting further along and getting more results.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Than any UN bureaucrat or any UN consortium really has
in decades. So yeah, we'll talk more about this, my friends.
I'll give you more of the details of this deal,
more of Trump's speeches from today, which are fantastic. Give
me a wonderful third hour of the show. Make sure
you stick around for it. I'll be right back
Second hour of Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Get's going right now, and our friend Carol Markowitz is
in the mix. Oh, Clay had to step away, so
it's just gonna be me guys on the host side
for the rest of the show. Clay is in Mississippi
and he is doing an interview of a sports legend.
I had not heard of the fellow before, but apparently
very important in the SEC sports world. So that's going on,
(00:24):
and I am here with Carol Markowitz in the meantime,
and Carol, you know what, First of all, congrats two
years this week of the Carol Markwitz program on the
Clay and Buck podcast network. So there's a lot of
celebration going on all over the place today, a lot
of celebrations. Some people are saying a day of celebration.
You know, we're gonna look into it. Day of celebration everywhere.
(00:48):
But let's actually speaking of Trump kind of. Let's just
a few moments ago he said this, This has cut
thirty guys on his Gaza piece plan the signing of it.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Play this one just.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
To three thousand years to get to this point?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Can you believe it?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And it's going to hold up to It's going to
hold up.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I mean, Carol, Sorry, please God, Carol, bold talk from
mister Trump. But I think a lot of people are
saying he's got the hot hand. Don't doubt him.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I agree if anybody who's doubting him right now is
making a big mistake. I think that he is in
a really good position to enforce this piece. I of
course worry about what's going to happen in three years
when he is out of office. You know, I've been
making the Trump twenty twenty eight joke because of this,
But it's going to be really tough for anybody to
follow in his footsteps and to enforce the piece that
(01:43):
he's established. In the Middle East. I think that it
is a very hopeful moment. It's a hopeful moment for
that whole region. They should take this opportunity that Trump
has given them and live peaceful lives.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's a huge moment for the Israeli people today with
the return of those there twenty hostages who were still
held alive in captivity in Gaza. Carol, I do think, though,
it should be noted just how vile it is that
there were hostages taken in the first place, that so
(02:16):
many of the hostages died in captivity. And also, while
I know it's it's joyous for the families to have
their loved ones back, the treatment of the hostages was horrific.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yep, it was appalling, and the world was largely silent
about it. America was really the bright spot in this
and they it really it showed. It showed because when
Britain North in France are now trying to take credits
for this piece deal when they really stood in the
way of it at every opportunity, really appalling. But yeah,
you're absolutely right. You know, my nine year old at
(02:50):
one point during the last two years said to me,
why doesn't Israel just take their people and hold them
hostage and then they could you know that then they'll understand.
And it's so hard to convey to him that civilized
countries don't do this, that this is not the work
of civilized people. They don't steal babies and their mother
isn't kill them in captivity. That is just just it's
horrendous to even think about. And the fact that Israel
(03:14):
is coming out of this strong and united is a
real bright point for me.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, it seems the Israeli people recognize the well, the
incredibly momentous nature of what is going on here.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And let's talk about that a bit, because.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
When you and I haven't gotten into some of the
details that have come out about the negotiations and specifically
Trump's role in it. But yes, it was only possible,
and even his biggest attractors, some of his biggest attractors,
are admitting that without Trump, this deal doesn't happen the
way that it did. But some of the regional players,
(03:51):
you know, some of the regional countries put real pressure
on Hamas here too, which is an indicator.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Right, it is hopefully that holds up as well. I
hope that these countries don't backtrack on that. I hope
they see Hamas as the losers that they are. And
the fact that the last two years didn't have to happen.
October seventh didn't have to happen, and all the days
since then didn't have to happen. So all the people
who pretended that they wanted peace for the last two years,
now that peace is here, I'd love to hear them celebrating.
(04:21):
But you're right, the countries in the Middle East need
to enforce this as much as anybody else does. They
need to say to Hamas that the days of killing
innocent people and doing things like this is over. More
than anything else, they all need to accept that Israel
isn't going anywhere. And I hope that they can do that.
I know that is a stretch for a lot of
the countries. You know, it's a stretch for a lot
of the people who have been radicalized. But that's the
(04:43):
main goal here, is to say Israel's not going anywhere.
How do we live in peace side by side?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
How do you feel about the prospects for Hamas being
truly pushed aside in all this? One of our callers
in the last hour brought up that there's been some
facts fighting inside of Gaza already between the moss terrorists
and this this this sort of entity, this group, I believe,
(05:09):
a family that has considerable sway inside of Hamasastan if
you will, And there's clearly a score settling and a
jockeying for power that's going on there. But is it
just going to be on Israel's shoulders once again that
if Jimas starts starts breaking the deal, Yahoo and the
(05:29):
IDF are going to have to go in there and
finish the.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Right Well, absolutely, if Hamas starts breaking the deal, there's
no question that they're going to have to go back in.
But the real question is what if that area breaks
out into a civil war? What if they are fighting
each other? What is Qatar? What is Egypt?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
What do they do? Then?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
What do all the countries that are involved in this
peace process do at that point? And it's hard to
say because who are the good guys in that situation?
Nobody really knows, And I you know, again, I'm hopeful
about that about this moment, but there's so many you know,
details here that are really large questions hanging over the
whole thing. Again, I hope these countries all step up
(06:08):
and do the right thing and enforce peace overall, but
you know, it gets really murky over there.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, of course, So speaking of Carol Markowitz, hosts of
The Carol Markowitz Show and which is two year university
normally also with Mary Katherine ham on the Claim Buck
podcast network. So walk me through some of the what
do you see as critical for what comes next here
because we haven't the first hour. Just you know, Carol
was this is amazing, so happy for the families. You
(06:36):
might have heard some of it. You know, Trump giant
win for him. You know, forget about Mount Rushmore, it
should be Mount trump Moore at this point, right. I mean,
people are all very excited about this, But what comes next.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It's so hard to say because of that internal struggle
and because they've been for so long radicalized to believe
that they could end Israel at some point. If the
last two years have shown that region any thing, it's
that Israel isn't going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Iran Twelve Day War was very instrumental in that. I
think guitar is thinking twice about their alliance with Iran
at that point, because Iran was supposed to be the
lion that they were supposed to be the ones who
would should they get involved in a war in the
Middle East, that war would end very quickly and Iran
would be the victor. Turns out that's not the case.
So these countries needed this reality check. It's unfortunate that
(07:23):
it came in such a way with so many people dead,
but this is the truth there is that they need
to accept Israel and they need to understand that all
of the previous things that they've done to harm the
relationship of Israel with other countries. It needs to come
to an end. They could have peace, That's what Trump
is saying to them. You could live peacefully. You can
(07:44):
have Gaza be a beach resort, you can be different,
you can raise your children differently. That's really what I
hope happens here.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yes, that's the huge mindset shift that we're all hoping
occurs here for these Middle Eastern people's Middle Eastern countries.
So that aspect of it, I think is very much
to be decided. But there's reason to believe, there's reason
for optimism. I would say, in a region where optimism
(08:15):
has been in deeply short supply for a long time.
And on the optimistic side of things, I mean, Carol,
just looking at this from a you know, former CIA
targeting and that perspective, hes belah weakest that has been
in certainly recent memory, hamas weakest it has been on
(08:36):
weakest that has been. I mean you start to look
at the regional evildoers, I mean, the malefactors, the bad
players in all of this, and they have been substantially
brought to heal.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
They have. Yeah, and again this couldn't have happened. A
lot of the things that you mentioned could not have
happened without the alliance between the United States and Israel.
What always happens when Israel gets attacked, and this is
true even when those Republican presidents, they are stopped from
finishing any of the jobs that they need to finish.
In this case, Donald Trump gave Israel so much space
(09:12):
to do what they needed to do and to not
prematurely end the conflict, which is generally what happens. When
I was in Israel last year or two years ago,
many people said to me, you know what always ends
up happening at the end of these wars is our
greatest ally says that's enough. That's how that's how the
war ends. It doesn't end because we finished the job.
It's because America says no more. This time, Donald Trump
(09:35):
said no, They're going to get to do what they
need to do to end this. And that's the only
way piece is really possible here. Donald Trump has been
a miracle for that region. And you hear israeli is today,
you know, posting their their thoughts online and they're all
so grateful and they understand that it is Donald Trump.
It was President Trump, who led the way on this,
(09:56):
and they really really get that it's America's role that
has led them to peace.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
If you could speak, also, Carol, to the perspective of
a proud American Jew as you are, and what it
has been like for the last two years to see
some of the you know, yes, debate and discussion is
always fine, and these are rady issues of foreign policy
and war and peace. But there was something else that
(10:22):
gained a lot of steam over the last two years
here at home, never mind the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And I know it was it was troubling to see
it was.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
But I still think it was largely on the left.
I know that the right is going through its own
insane moment right now, but I still think it's so limited.
Every poll shows that the right continues to be in
the right place in terms of Israel, in terms of
Jews in America. So I've been grateful to be a
conservative these last two years because my non Jewish friends,
my Clays, and my bucks have been so behind us
(10:53):
and so amazing that it's been heartwarming and comforting and secure. Really,
I felt so secure in my conservative beliefs because my
side was on the right side and there's a lot
to that. A lot of my liberal Jewish friends have
been scrambling the last two years and openly said that
none of their friends say a word about any of this,
and don't talk about the fact that Jewish kids on
(11:16):
college campuses can't go to classes and they're being harassed
and sometimes hurt, and their friends don't say a word.
And I'm like, well, my friends said many words. And
I feel so grateful for you, so grateful for Clay,
so grateful for many others on the conservative right. I
think that we're in a strong place where we have
a hopeful future. And I you know, it feels good
(11:36):
right now to be a Jewish conservative.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well, I still sit here and you and I have
had this conversation before. Left wing left wing Jews are
It's a little bit like left wing Catholics to me.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
But that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'm just like, what are you doing, Like, explain to
me how this is a thing that you are going
to hold up politically speaking. But anyway, I also, I
know you have friends and even some extended family in
Israel on your on your husband's side, on Shai's side.
What's the feeling like over there, I mean just described
to me because I know you're in contact with them.
(12:10):
How are they doing today?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Just such joy and gratefulness. His sister, a sister is
there and she's sending pictures from the Hostage Square has
now been renamed Freed Square, and it's just it's an
amazing moment. I have to say that I think a
lot of Israelis believed this moment as possible. I'm a
very optimistic person, but I did not think this is
(12:33):
going to happen. I really didn't. I thought those hostages
would meet a terrible end in captivity. I have to
admit that I didn't believe. And I thought those yellow
ribbons that people wore, I thought they'd wear them forever.
So they had hope that I simply didn't have. I
guess they had to have that hope, that hope being
realized today. It just smiling faces, national holiday, biggest deal ever.
(12:55):
Over there.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Jack got the Carol marker, which show everybody on the
clan Buck podcast network look for her columns in The
New York Post. Carol, hugs to you, Shy and the
whole family, and a great day, and thank you so
much for joining to share your thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Thank you.
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It's the huge historic day Trump's Middle East peace taking effect,
and we have the president in Charmel Shak, Egypt, lanked
by world leaders talking right now.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Let's join and hear what he has to say.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Be done to lift up the people themselves. But we
don't want to fund anything having to do with bloodshed,
hatred or terror, as this happened in the past, and
for the same reason. We're also agreed that Gaza's reconstruction
requires that it be demilitarized and that a new, honest,
(15:11):
civilian police force must be allowed to create a safe
condition for the people in Gaza. As I said earlier,
I intend to be a partner in securing a better future.
We're going to be working, You're going to be working
with the United States, and we're going to make sure
that the Middle East is going to be a safe
and secure place. It's a very important place in the world,
(15:33):
means so much. There's so many people said the Middle East,
and this has been going for many, many decades. I've
read it many times that World War three will begin
in the Middle East. It's not going to happen. That's
not going to happen. There was a time that you
would have thought it could have, but it's not going
to happen. There won't be World War three, hopefully at all.
But it's not going to start in the Middle East.
(15:54):
We're not going to have a World War three. If
we're smart, never be a World War three. Our work
begins right year and right now. From ancient times, this
region has been extraordinarily mixed with respect to people, culture, religions,
all of the different elements of national characters, unlike maybe
(16:15):
anywhere else on earth. And for three thousand years there's
been conflict for whatever reason, there's been tremendous conflict, always conflict.
But today, for the first time anyone can remember, we
have a once in a lifetime chance to put the
old feuds and bitter hatreds behind us. And that's why
so many people in this room they didn't get along.
(16:38):
Some didn't, but they're getting along now. This has brought
the people together. This is the first time the Middle
East crisis has brought people together as opposed to driving
them apart, and to declare that our future will not
be ruled by the fights of the generation's past, which
is foolish. So together, this continue and the spirit of cooperation,
a goodwill that is fine, brought us to this incredible,
(17:02):
historic breakthrough. If we do together, we will reach the
Middle East incredible destiny, a safe and prosperous and beautiful
crossroads of culture and commerce, faith in humanity, and geographic center.
This will be the geographic center of the world. So
I just want to thank everybody for being here. I
(17:24):
want to thank you all.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
For what you amazing, amazing stuff from President Trump in Egypt,
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remember in the Middle East period. I don't have anything
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more hopeful moment for that region and for all people
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East Peace Day, Trump on the World Stage Day. A
lot of stuff happening and mostly very good, very encouraging,
very promising, happy to see it. And that is this
(19:16):
weemer We take stock of our wins here on this
show as well. We don't just do the catas everything.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Everything is terrible, nothing matters, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
That's it's such a boring and cheap way to get
attention for content, whether it's written or spoken or TV.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
We don't do that.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
When there's problems, we say there are problems, and we
talk about how to fix them. When there are wins,
we take a moment to describe and enjoy together those wins.
And today is certainly a big win for the Trump administration,
for Israel and for the broader Middle East. And if
you hear any growling in the background, it is because
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but Papa Buck has some fresh cooked chicken nearby, so
I got to make sure that she's not growling into
the microphone here. All right, let's get let's dive into this.
(20:18):
I think this is really interesting, the details of how
Trump got this deal to go through. Wall Street Journal
had a really excellent write up on this in the
last twenty four hours, and let me let me share
some of this with you. When Hamas leader Khalil al
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Haya first saw President Trump's plan for peace in Gaza,
which demanded that his group disarm with few concrete steps
to ensure Israel would end the war, his immediate reaction
was no. The plan, heavily amended by Israel and presented
to Hamas by the Katari Prime Minister and egypt spy chief,
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look nothing like what Haya had been led to expect. Hyah,
who less than a month earlier had been a target
of Israel's audacious attack on Hamas in Kutter, told his
visitors the group would keep its Israeli hostages until it
had enforceable guarantees the war would end. But two days
later Hamas came back to Arab mediators with a yes.
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The deal hadn't changed the picture on Hamas had Egypt,
and Cutter told Haya the deal was his last chance
to end the war. According to the officials, they pressed
Hamas to understand that holding the hostages was becoming a
strategic liability, giving Israel a source of legitimacy to keep fighting.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
End quote.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Okay, this is really important because we often think of
this as a US Israel idf action. Right, It's like
we're negotiating, Trump is negotiating, Israel's doing the fighting, and
we have intermediaries over there. But clearly the diplomacy that
the Trump administration was nengaged engaged in, and really negotiations
(22:10):
more like a business deal than what I think your
general diplomat would be engaged in. Right, Trump has a
different approach to this stuff. I mean diplomats. I've known
State Department diplomats. I've been around State Department diplomats in
an earlier life when I was a government guy myself.
They don't get stuff done. It's just not a culture
(22:30):
of getting things done. It's a culture of process. The
State Department is, by its very nature, a lethargic bureaucracy
that mostly exists to exist because we got to have
diplomats somewhere, we got to have open lines of communication
with these different countries, et cetera. But generally, the results, overwhelmingly,
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the results are really unimpressive.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Trump comes in there.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
And he's got sleeves rolled up, He's got his team
led by Marco Rubio, whom I might point out Trump
is saying is going to go down in history as
the greatest secretary of state in our history. Now, I'm
gonna say I think Rubio. Full credit to Rubio for
doing a phenomenal job so far. But if you're talking
secretaries of state in all history, there have been some
(23:21):
pretty big moves, you know, right, didn't one of them
buy Alaska?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I mean, there's been some pretty big stuff. So I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I'm not saying Marco is not going to get there,
but number one for Marco all time, number one, maybe
our lifetime, sure, number one all time. We still got
a little work to do, you know, There's there's still
some things that have to be looked at here. But
certainly it has been the administration's team that got us
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to this point, which is an incredible success. And the
fact that you have these other Mid East countries that
were willing to tell Hamas you gotta knock this crap
off and end this war like enough is enough? Is
really indicative. I think of how much the pressure that
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Trump's team was bringing to bear had borne fruit, how
much this was really moving the ball downfield because Cutter,
as you know, these really has launched a strike, and
Cutter then Trump had the hole, come on, you gotta apologize.
I mean, Trump has been the guy in the bar
here who is holding back two guys who have really
(24:32):
bloodied each other up. And one of them started it,
and some us one of them is responsible for the fight.
But he was able to stand in between these combatants
and say, all right, you're gonna knock this off. And hey,
you if they knock it off, you're willing, You're willing
to let it go right, you know, we're gonna stop
this thing. And you needed that, you needed that to
(24:56):
get us to this point. But that term would for example,
Turkey is way too favorable toward Hamas for a whole
bunch of reasons, but that Turkey was going to say,
if you don't agree to this deal, we're you're on
your own. Basically, Turkey was telling Hamas, we're cutting you loose.
(25:17):
That's a big for people who have been following the
region another that's big stuff. You know, Hamas has been
far too willing, or rather Turkey has been far too
willing to be there in support of Hamas through through
thick and thin. Finally it got to be too thin,
(25:38):
finally got to be too much. So this campaign that
got the final the final really surrender. It's Hamas is surrendered.
It's a surrender with guarantees, but surrender is what this
is and that's.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
What it should be. Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
The the members of Hamas who are still alive should
consider themselves lucky. I know Hamas is a death and
they love sending other people to die and to kill
as many innocent Israelis and Jews as possible. I know
that's what Hamas really is at its core, but it's
still for the leadership that somehow doesn't like to die.
The Hamas leadership, they don't like to be suicide bombers.
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They would have sent other people to be suicide bombers.
But for Hamas leadership, they should count themselves very lucky,
very fortunate that they still have their lives at the
end of this because Israel would have been well within
its rights. And really, I have argued from the beginning,
Israel had an obligation to wipe Hamas out after what
they did on October seventh, and a moral obligation to
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the Israeli people and to the world. To the degree
there isn't international community, to humanity, Israel had an obligation,
a moral and ethical one as well as just a
national security imperative, to hunt Hamas down, and they have
done so, and they have been incredibly effective as well
(27:02):
as ethical in that process. That does not mean perfect.
War is never perfect. There will always be civilian casualties.
There's always going to be collateral damage to a city.
But now even it will become more clear than ever.
The people who were telling you that there was mass
starvation in Gaza as a result of Israeli policy were lying.
(27:24):
The people who are saying that Israel was engaged in
a genocide, we're lying. This is going to become even
more clear in the days ahead. Those voices are just
going to try to fade, I might add, they're going
to fade, and you're going to hear a lot less
of them. But what they were saying was a slander,
and it.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Was morally.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Obtuse, it was decrepit, it was disgraceful, and that is
what they were doing intentionally during a time of war,
to confuse as much as they could America as an
ally of Israel in this process. This was always very
clear to me and to Clay, and to Clay's immense credit,
(28:09):
I know he's away for the rest of the show today.
We never coordinated response. We never had to say, well,
you know, we're going to be disagreeing or agreeing on
this or anything like that. From the moment October seventh
happened forward, we saw this through the same moral lens,
(28:29):
and I think that's I have obviously an international relations
national security background, but Clay's just a very high IQ,
high wattage guy, and also with a very clear sense
of right and wrong. And so we never had static
on this show. We never had a sense of, oh,
(28:49):
but maybe Israel has gone too far, or maybe Israel
is engaged in a genocide. That never and you know this,
you who have been listening for these two years, that
never entered into our conscious on the show for one second.
And we followed this as closely as we could from
Afar and Clay went to get ground truth in Israel,
as you know, last December. But and I'm very proud
(29:12):
of that. And as I've been saying, I've had a
lot of people come up who are listeners to the show.
And I have a tremendous number of conservative Miami Beach
American Jews who listen to this show. I know because
when I'm walking the streets, they come up with me
and the first thing they say is great show. The
second thing they say is thank you for standing with
Israel and not.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Not you know, abandoning would be extreme, but even being
a bit wishy washy on it, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Even getting to a place where you start, oh, I'm
just asking questions. You know, is really the good guy here?
Or is the idea of really justified? Is no none
of that nonsense here for one second? And now that
this conflict is over, I think people will be able
to look back on it with even more factual clarity
(29:59):
about who was accurate and who was playing propaganda with
this stuff. So these are all important considerations. These are
all things that I want us to remember as we
move forward, and we will continue to cover this and
look to see what happens with Hamas and look to
see what regional players want. A more stable and prosperous
(30:22):
at least. But this is the question of the moment.
Are there Muslim majority Arab countries, including now perhaps a
majority of the Palestinian people, who want their lives to
be about whether their kids are able to pick the
careers they want, build the families they want, and have
(30:44):
the futures that they want, or is it going to
be you know, suicide bombers, a la huac bar and
all the other nonsense and atrocities that we have seen
for decades. That's really what it comes down to. This
is a choice. The Israeli stand on the other side
of is willing to say, okay, we can move forward
(31:05):
with that positive, with that prosperous future, and America and
other partners here are willing to be.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
There in assistance to.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Build a Gaza where the lights stay on, the water's
clean to drink, the.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You know, the the businesses can flourish and we can
do that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
You know, Gaza can be I'm on, Gaza can be
a safe, you know, reasonably happy and prosperous place. And
everywhere has their challenges, but you know, there's an old
joke about and I say this, I've been to Jordan,
and I think the Jordanians are great people and they're
actually great allies to America too. But people joke around
(31:49):
that it's the hash of my Kingdom of boredom because
not a lot goes on there. Now, that's unfair, and
there's Petro and there's a lot of cool stuff, but
there's a very low crime rate in I'm on. So
it's really with praise in a sense that it's boring.
It's a very low crime rate and generally a stable place.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Gaza could be a.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Stable, reasonable place too. It does not have to be
some terrorist hellhole, doesn't have to be that. And now
maybe maybe that can happen, and it will be because
of the people that have seen this with clarity along
and also brave DF soldiers who took the fight to
Gaza and did what was necessary. And President Trump negotiating
(32:30):
this deal, President Trump ordering the strike on Iran, President
Trump's standing with Israel when they debilitated diminished Hesbullah. So
all of this together puts us where we are right now,
something to really be proud of. Well, will take some
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Hey, buck, greetings up from one tennis player to another.
I wanted to just comment right now, no one's talking
about who's not involved in any of this, and that's
the u N. And I was watching the soundown, of course,
but I was watching Fox News and President Trump's address
(35:12):
that he recently that he just gave, and Carse Armor
uh was behind him standing there looking like a deer
in headlights, thinking what am I doing here? How can
I how can I get the UN involved? And to me,
I'm hoping that this is the beginning of the end
for u N, for the UN, inasmuch as it's it's
(35:34):
no longer relevant. I mean, if President Trump is going
to have this Board of peace, what is it? What
function of the does the u N serve anymore? Uh now,
Jimmy obviously NATO?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, and these are these are all great questions. And
I think that the answer is the u N is
a little bit like a little bit like the Emmys.
Now you know, it exists, and maybe people are somewhat
happy knowing that it exists for some reason. And we
could debate that, but it doesn't really matter and it
doesn't really do anything. So I think I think that's
(36:11):
increasingly where people are on the United Nations. It's a
place where people gather to pointlessly talk about things that
they won't change. Meanwhile, President Trump, who so much of
the un faithful have had nasty things to say about
over the years, President Trump.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Is getting further along and getting more results.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Than any UN bureaucrat or any UN consortium really has
in decades. So yeah, we'll talk more about this, my friends.
I'll give you more of the details of this deal,
more of Trump's speeches from today, which are fantastic. Give
me a wonderful third hour of the show. Make sure
you stick around for it. I'll be right back
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