October 13, 2025 • 48 mins
In this episode of A Numbers Game, Ryan dives into U.S. immigration policy, responding to Joe Rogan’s recent remarks on mass deportations. Joined by guest Mickey Kaus, they explore the economic effects of immigration on working-class Americans and the agricultural sector, while emphasizing the importance of secure borders and fair wages. The discussion also touches on Europe’s political shift to the right and the ongoing crisis in overcrowded animal shelters, encouraging adoption as a solution. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gradski. Thank
you all for being here. Happy Columbus Day. As many
of you know, I'm a proud descendant of Italian immigrants.
They came to America about one hundred years ago, and
they came from Sicily in Naples. And to quote the
great philosopher Tony Soprano, in this household, Christopher Columbus as
a hero. So Happy Columbus Day. Have a flag cookie
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if you don't know who they are. By the way,
for people who don't live in a major city, it's
chocolate top and bottom with the Italian flag in the
middle of great cookie anyway, But Happy Columbus Day.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I hope you have.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
A wonderful day if you're off and even if you're working.
And let don't let anyone tell you that European colonalization
was a bad thing. Discovering America was a great thing,
and so was colonialization from Europe, and ultimately it led
to the founding of the greatest, freest and most prosperous
nation ever existed. So Happy Columbus Day. Now, for the
last few weeks I have focused a lot on the
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elections they're coming up in twenty two days, Yes, twenty
two days. So if you haven't made a plan to
go vote yet, find out who's running in your area,
find out the issues of the support, make a plan
and go out and vote well. I start off every
episode with some polling information about the upcoming elections, but
there really hasn't been many polls lately. There was only one.
It was a Trafalgar Pole in Virginia. Now let me
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preface by saying Trafalgar does some very good work in
the past. They did a lot of good work when
Republicans were ahead, but then they had an awful year
in twenty twenty two where they made all these projections
of Republican victories that were you know, never happened, and
some of them weren't even close, and it really hurt
their reputation in a big way. But in twenty twenty
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four they were the fifth most accurate pollster, so that's something.
And I might add that in twenty twenty one they
nailed the Virginia local election, so there's that as well.
So the Trafalgar Pole came out and has Spamburger up
by three. It didn't include an independent who's not on
the ballot for some reason, and she's endorsed Spamburger, so
I'm gonna say it'sarely Spamburger plus five. But they Spamberg
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up by three, has me for lieutenant governor, Democrat has
me for a lieutenant governor up by one, and the
Republican Jason Miarez, the incumbent attorney general, up by six points.
He is facing Jay Jones, who made all those text
messages saying he wanted to kill Republicans. This seems a
little too good to be true in my judgment, but
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they have nailed some elections in the past and will
have to wait to see more information, which I'll cover
next week probably now. For those of you who know
this show, they listen to me. I don't do episodes
where I chase comments made by other people in the media.
I don't do reaction videos. I don't say like, you
never believe who said so and so the lib got owned,
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or you'll never believe this take.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I find most of it very, very cringe. I don't
really care what most people in the media, especially very
famous people who are not even listening as podcasts say.
I'm not going to start a few. It doesn't make
any sense to me. But there have been a few
comments made about immigration that I think need to be addressed,
and I need to present the numbers to you about
what was said. So Joe Rogan, most famous podcaster who's
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ever lived, who I don't, by the way, listen to
very often. He had an episode that I checked out
specifically because of this clip where he claimed that people
who support Trump's mass deportations don't have a heart. Let
me roll the clip now so you can hear exactly
what he said.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it
looks is horrific. When you're just arresting people in front
of their kids and just normal regular people that have
been here for twenty years. Yeah, that everybody who has
a heart can't get along with that. Now, everybody who
has a heart sees that and go, that can't be right.
They can't be right. They can't be the only way
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to do this right, because you have to think, look, yeah,
we have to have a border, Yes it should have
been secure. Yes they should make sure you know who
everybody is before they get in. Yeah, but when people
been here for twenty years, like, come on, come on,
that's crazy. Yeah, let's find a way if they've been
productive members of society for twenty years, no criminal record,
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they worked the entire time, they paid taxes, find them
a pathway to the citizenship. Find a way where you
can do this thing that you want to do, which
is keep terrorists and cartel members from getting across the
border with drugs that kill one hundred thousand people a year. Okay,
but also have a fucking heart, because if you don't,
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you're not gonna get anybody on your side. If you're
doing this stuff, publicly throwing women into the ground, handcuffing
people just for existing on the wrong side of the dirt. Yeah,
not a criminal.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Not.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
The only crime they ever committed was coming over here
as a kid.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
They probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on.
Yeah yeah, And you know a lot of kids got
snuck across when they were already born in Mexico and
they've grown up their entire life in America. They can't
even speak span it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
There's a lot going on, and most of it is
emotional blackmail. So, first of all, him saying I didn't
think this is what Trump would do. Did you pay
attention at all to the campaign because he was very
clearly going to do mass deportations. He said it at rallies.
He said in interviews there were signs printed at the
RNC saying mass deportations. Like it wasn't a secret. It
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wasn't like Trump said, Oh, by the way, we're invading Mongolia. Yeah,
that would be shocking, that would be oh wow. He
never mentioned he was going to beade Mongolia. No, this
is very very, very deliberate. It was out in the open.
It was no secrets hidden whatsoever. So saying you only
thought it was criminals means you either a weren't listening
or be trying to play dumb. Now, secondly, it is
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not horrific. Illegal aliens being deported in most of my
time should be my screensaver. This We are the most
generous nation on Earth. We've taken in more immigrants legally
and illegally than any other place on the planet in history,
to our own detriment at times. And the line that
he said these people were just born on the wrong
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side of the dirt. Excuse me, Joe Rogan, exactly how
many migrants are living in your house that you allow,
how many are allowed to camp on your lawn? How
many military age single men will you allow it to
sleep within a few hundred.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Feet of your daughter?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Like this is a rich person trying to make you
feel bad, saying your neighbor should be flooded with people,
your social service services should be drained, your quality of
life should go down. Not his because he lives in
a divorced reality from the rest of us, because he's
worth hundreds of millions of dollars, but middle class people,
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who he views as the ones that have to take
in these people and bear the load of taxpayer funded
immigration problems from illegal alien specifically, their hospitals should be overloaded,
their schoolship to speak seven hundred languages.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It is such hipocrisies to hear from a wealthy person
who has generational wealth on his side that they don't
have a heart for wanting to have a better quality
of life than they would if they lived in a
neighborhood that was flooded with illegal aliens. Secondly, what Rogan
is saying isn't real compassion. What he's advocating for is
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not compassionate. It is quite the opposite of compassion. Rogan's
viewpoint creates a cycle a perpetual victimhood where the world's
poor in rich human smugglers because they're told that the
American people are made up of people who sound like
Joe Rogan, that they will allow illegal behavior, that there's
a high threshold before you get kicked out of the country.
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Rogan says, if they commit a certain number of felonies,
I'm sorry, a certain number. What are you talking about, Like,
do you hear the words that are coming out of
your mouth as you live in a gated home in
a nice part of Austin. And to the credit of
Rogan's guests, he tried to lay out later on in
the interview, he tries to lay out what Tom Holman says.
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He says tom Holman starts about supporting a draconian effort
to curb illegal immigration, because when an illegal immigrant is
permitted to come in the country, human smugglers prey on
poor people from across the globe, enticing them to do
the same illegal alien trip and make loads of money
for themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
During the first.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Two decades, I want to write people how dangerous having
an open border or any kind of immigration system is
where we don't punish illegal behavior. During the first two
decades of this century. Between seven thousand and eight thousand
migrants died coming into the United States. And those are
the ones who made it to the border. Those are
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the ones who's bodies we discovered, not the people who
went missing in some jungle along the way, or got
thrown from a train track in Mexico, or god knows
what happened to them. This comes from an estimate, by
the way, by USA Facts Slash No More Deaths is
a nonprofit these The years where deaths declined is when
the administration, specifically Trump's administration, actually cracked down on illegal
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immigration domestically because less people thought that they can come here,
so less people made the trip. That is true and
between and in the last fifteen years, and this is
a very rough estimate, but between fifty thousand and one
hundred and fifty thousand migrants who came to the US
or try to come to the US were sold into
sex slavery, seventy to eighty percent of them being women,
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twenty to thirty percent being minors, human traffickers since the
year twenty ten. Would you know that would that was
completely by the time that rogans that these people should
be allowed here. They made between seventy five to one
hundred and ten billion since two thousand smugglers. That faucet,
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that money faucet is turned off to a great degree
because migrants aren't willing to come here if they know
they're going to be deported. You are actually improving their lives.
You are preventing hundreds of them from dying of dehydration
or murder. You're preventing thousands from being sold into sex slavery,
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many of them miners. You are preventing all those things
by being tough on illegal immigration. Here, Joe Rogan just
can't see it. So not only is Rogan not actually
offering any compassion, it's all emotional blackmail because he hopes
to entrine a policy that will get thousands of people
killed and sold into slavery and enrich the worst people
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in the world. It's just because your algorithm doesn't show
you that that you can't get the vibes that actually
enforcing laws are good, right, I mean, it's not fair.
It is simply not fair to allow a country to
skirt their laws for a specific group of people who enrich.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
The worst people in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Human smugglers are, in my opinion, the worst people in
the world and openly hurt a law that already allows
a million people in a year. Imagine all the people
who waited twenty thirty years to come here legally and
hope someone just crosses. They lived close by the border
so they'd be able to get in. The victims created
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by Joe Rogan's supposed compassion aren't the only thing he's
not noticing, right. He's not just noticing the people who
didn't die because they didn't cross the border legally, or
didn't get sold in sex slavery, or all the money
the cartel members and umn speglers didn't make. He also
is not seeing the amount of people who are just
leaving on their own peacefully without being arrested, without being chased,
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without you know, having a horrific video, as he calls them.
According to an estimate, this is by the Border Patrol
and by ICE, between two hundred and fifty thousand and
three hundred thousand illegal aliens have been deported since Trump
took office in January, Yet six or seven times that
amount have decided to leave on their own a cord
without force, arrest or trial. It has saved the United
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States billions of dollars in legal fees in law and
lawyers in chasing them down in everything. According to data
collected by the Center for Immigration Studies, the foreign born
population of the United States trunk by two point two
million people from January to August twenty twenty five. That
means that for every one illegal alien that we forcibly deported,
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six or seven just lept on their own without any
viral video that hurts Joe Rogan's feelings, emotional blackmail masked
as toxic compassion serves no one's interests. And Rogan's brand
of being like the everyman who you know, he doesn't
do big research. It's all vibes and feelings and he'll
talk to anybody and whatever. That is great. When you
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are worth hundreds of millions of dollars and you were
denied any consequences from the statistics, from the real effects
of policies you advocate for, it's just pisses me off
the no end And I had to bring up and
he Rogan's not the only person who's been sitting there
and doubling down on trying to be loose an immigration.
The Trump's own administration put out a document that was
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reported by the Washington Post. It says, quote, the near
total cessation of inflow of illegal aliens is threading the
stability of domestic food production and prices for US consumers.
Unless the Department acts immediately to provide a source of stable,
lawful labor, this threat will go. The Washington Post article continues,
The Labor Department made this case in paperwork documenting a
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new rule that took back October second that effectively lowers
the pay for seasonal migrants working in agriculture under the
H two A visa program. The move is aimed at
giving farmers easier and legal access to foreign workers to
avoid imminent widespread disruption of the US agriculture sector. The
agency said is expected to cut labor costs by twenty
four billion dollars over the next decade, so two point
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four billion a year. I don't know why they do
the next decade.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
For okay, here's why.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The Washington Post and by extension, the farm lobby is
lying to people, including the Trump administration, whoever.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Published this post.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Unlike most visa categories, the H two A visa, the
farm labor visa has no cap It is completely dependent
on the demands of the employer. So if you want
ten million, you get ten million. If you want ten thousand,
you get ten thousand. In twenty twenty four, we gave
out almost four hundred thousand H two A visas. But
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as the article says, it's not about access to workers.
That is not what labor farmers are complaining about. It
is the fact that the way it works is it
with the H two A visa you have to deal
with something called the adverse effect wage rate. Basically, they
can't pay H two A visa workers farm workers less
than the average American citizen in whatever given state that
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a farm is operating in. So farm workers tend to
get between fifteen and twenty dollars an hour based upon
which state they're working on, like Florida's like fifteen eighty
an hour, in California's like twenty dollars in seventy cents
an hour, So they don't underwork undercut American American pay.
That's the whole entire point is to protect American workers.
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With that part of it, they also to provide some
basic services like housing and transportation for them, things that
will probably otherwise likely be covered by taxpayers if it
doesn't work it, so the employers have to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So it's not that farmers.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Farmers can't get access to workers, they just don't want
to pay them anything more than impoverish wages. They know
they were refused. They were having such a problem undercutting
American laws. And I'm sorry. If an industry cannot operate
under the current law, which is very generous to them,
then it cannot continue the way that it's running. Like
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they need to reform or they need to get bought
out by someone who can reform them.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And it's not even accurate.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It is not even accurate that increasing labor costs are
changing the prices of groceries. Which is this article reference
later on, and it's mentioned oh over and over again,
is that grocery prices are coming up. Farm labor is
nine percent of raw farm input costs, and raw farm
input costs is ten to twenty percent of retail prices
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on average. Thus, if you doubled, which no one's calling
for a double, but even if you doubled farm labor,
the costs at a retail would be up by one
to two percent, and it would we one to two
percent per year. It's a one time adjustment. It is
time that we have a very real conversation, not we,
but the administration has a conversation with agriculture and say
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it's time to mechanize like it is. We is the
end of the low skilled, low skilled labor era. It's
like when a tailor shops era the low skilled labor error.
It's going to make grocery prices cheaper. If they mechanize,
We're going to end the entire draw the entire magnet
of low skilled labor from from the Third World, especially
as their birth rates are plummeting in places like Mexico,
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in places like Guatemala, that they don't have an endless
supply of nineteen year olds who are uneducated who want
to work. That supplies thinning out every single year. And
Congress could offer tax breaks so medium size and fairly
larger or decently larger farms can afford the mechanization costs.
It's just it's ridiculous that every time we talk about
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enforcing the law and having a country and protecting our borders,
we have to hear about rotted vegetables in the fields.
I just can't. I guess I don't have a heart.
At the end of the day, I guess if this
is what I have to do is get surrender the country,
have no borders, have no enforcement in the entire world,
and let them live on the taxpayer dole. I guess
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in the end of the day, I don't have a
heart either. But what I don't have is the ability
to buy bullshit compassion from very rich companies and people
who will never ever have to live with the consequences
that they're advocating for. With me this week is a
liberal friend of mine who has been talking about immigration
longer than I think I've even been alive, Very very smart.
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I think it's the first liberal friend of mine I've
ever had on the show that's coming up next. Mickey
Cows is the author of the End of Equality, a
legendary blogger, a good friend of mine. Mickey, thank you
for being on.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Glad to be here. Ryan so on Columbus down the
Day of My People.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So, Mickey, you're a very well known liberal and but
you've argued a lot over the over the over the
issue of immigration with members of both parties about this,
and Joe Rogan had on his podcast he said, if
you do not support you support mass m mass mass deportations.
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You don't have compassion and you don't have a heart.
This is a common thing heard on the left about
the argument compassion. Is it compassionate the way that Donald
Trump is doing deportations Now.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Well, Holman's seems to have into a bit of what
that CB the Border Patrol's philosophy was, which was always
to we impose consequences. I always thought that was a
bad slogan because you could justify any anything as imposing consequence.
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As you know, we threw people out the pits. Okay,
that's imposing consequence. The Border Patrol should efficiently and politely
as possible get people out of the country.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You shouldn't be here, So I.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Think their focus should be on the numbers. Instead, they
focused on what's been called, I think correctly, a sort
of shockun awe strategy, on the grounds that they can
then use this to discourage people overseas for me trying
to come and encourage people to self support, both of
which are worthy goals, and it makes sense to do that.
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But I wonder in this day and age with cell phones,
when people find out people decide whether to come to
America by whether their cousin got in their cousin call
also on the cell phone from America and as I
got in, they'll come to. If he says I didn't
get in, they won't come. The chakunaw is less important
than it was before we had this instant communication for
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who is in and who is actually out. So if
I were, if I were running CBP, I would tone
it down a bit, okay, And maybe I don't think
that would plak people like Joe Rogan, who was spouting
every every sort of cliche of the anti borders community
about how you know, first he we want to give
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people a path to citizenship. Well, you don't spout that
unless you imbued with propaganda. And also he picks the
most extreme examples, people who've been here twenty years. You know,
you know the Bible led in people in the past
five years, within five million people. Okay, Obviously, if you
pick the first people, you'd like to deport it. So
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that was those five million who only been there for
five years, and a policy of self deportation gets most
of those those people who is going to deport self
support first, people who have no roots, people have only
been here for a short period of time. That the
Biden people are going to self deport, so home strategy
makes sense as a way to focus on the new arrivals.
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People have been here twenty years are going to be
more reluctant to self deport.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And some people who have been here for twenty years,
like that chef the New George W. Bush, he'd been
here for so long. Well, I looked at his case.
He had an outstanding deportation order. He had been through
the system. They found he had no legal right to
be here. He guess applied for asylum. They said, you
have no right for a legal asylum, and then he
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just evaded deportation. So he broke the law not once,
but then he evaded deportation a second time. As a
big middle finger to you, I don't have a ton
of compassion for people I who do that.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Now, there's only one case that's really gotten to me
in terms of maybe we shouldn't deport this guy. It
was a you know, sixty five year old jail in
LA who was doing nothing but go into work every day.
And I have much more sympathy for that guy. He'd
been here for a long time. Twenty Let's say he's
satisfied the twenty years requirement. I have much more sympathy
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for that guy than for this social climate who comes
lies and sucks up to powerful people. Plus, he has talents.
He can go back home. He can use his talents
to make savici wherever he comes from. His poor janitor,
his talent. He doesn't have those talents. If he goes home,
he might be in a worse shape. But I guess
my base ic point is I would be happy to
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cut a deal, an actual honest deal that said, you know,
in the spirit of Statute of limitations, we to port
everybody who used here legally. But if you're here for
twenty years, the statute of limitations, he clicks in and
you get to stay in some form or another. Okay,
if the Democrats would stick to that deal, if they
were a common agreement that we have orders we enforce
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the immigration laws, it's legitimate to enforce the immigration laws.
But the Democrats don't have that. They don't see the
validity of enforcing the immigration laws. And they were just
used the twenty to lobby for fifteen and then ten
and then five and then zero. So you if you
cut that deal, which is a reasonable deal to make,
you're buying a whole world of trouble. So I support
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the idea for now, let's just support everybody who's here
illegally and see what happens, and maybe the Democrats will
finally get the message that we have borders. The other
part about compassion is, I mean, what my book was
about was about how unskilled Americans, especially blacks, were being
thrown on the trash heap of history because wages were
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actually going down for those people. So while it used
to be everybody moved up into the middle class in Unison,
the bottoms were dropping out. They were going on fednel
there the people Charles Murray wrote about. And that's not
the society we want, and it's produced by mass immigration,
because those people are lowering the wages for everybody at
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the bottom. Even if they don't take a single job
from a black person, they are lowering the wages. But
of course they do take jobs from black people. Blacks
rightly say they're the last tired, first fired, and they
are hired after the illegals. So if you have compassion
for your fellow Americans who have been screwed over the
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last forty years, you want to control immigration, right, So
I want to go back to your first point before
you or the second point. Here's why I don't agree
with the twenty year policy.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Like, if you've been here since.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Two thousand, let's say, are two thousand and five, then
you get to say, let's say two thousands is a
nice even year. The Reagan amnesty was in eighty six,
it was signed in eighty six. It didn't take effack
to like eighty seven, it ended. I think I think
the last person who got it was like in nineteen
ninety nine or two thousand, but it extended for quite
a perio of time.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
George H. W.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Bush issued to see a smaller but a series of
amnesties as well.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So really you're talking about people.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Who came between nineteen ninety three and two thousand, right
like right before nine to eleven. It's a six or
seven period of time. It's a few million people, some
of which will have passed away by this point, some
will return to their own home country. It's not it's
a very very it's a blip of the illegal alien
population as far as the real groups of people. But
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those are clearly the most sympathetic cases, and the problem
for people who want to enforce the.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Law is that we see.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, we see that woman throwing herself on the floor
of the jail cell saying, please don't take my husband.
What we don't see is the six or seven people
who just go home on their own peacefully. There was
a New York Times article over the weekend about how
New York City public schools are fighting back against deportations.
Every person they feature was being deported. So I have
no idea how they're fighting back but their parent. But
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there were a lot of them were just self deporting.
They were just going home on their own volition. And
that's the best way possible. It is you are, it
is the best. It's what we are looking for. So
I don't know if I buy the whole like twenty
year thing. And also there's I mean, it's hard to
have documentation. And when I think what Joe Rogan doesn't
understand and you would, is is that when you're talking
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about an administrative state and the administration having to go
through millions upon millions of applications to verify the legitimacy
of someone's claims that they haven't broken the law, not
even like id theft, and that they've been here a
certain period of time I mean, you're talking about paperwork
that would take you know, five, six, seven, eight years
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to even go through in a proper basis. So I
think that that's that's why we get Sony bad legal immigrants,
is because it takes so long to go just a
short period of time to do the paperwork.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Every time they draw a line like that in the
Reagan amnesty, with the doc I amnesty, there's massive fraud.
People claim, you know, if you're supposed to come before
sixty five, I people come up with some fake utility
bill or something that implies they came here before sixty five.
I mean, the numbers are always much larger than expected because
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they're inflated by fraud. And yes, you're asking for it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And it's an open invitation for one progressive judges to
waive those things, which they did on the Reagan Amnesty
and invite the entire world. In you mentioned about black
Americans being left behind, there was a story in the
Washington Post. I sent it to you know, I've got
a chance to read it about farm workers and the
Department of Labor complaining you're getting complaints from farm workers
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that once again they're going to have rotted vegetables in
the fields because they can't get access to illegal immigrants.
And if you read throughout the article, it says, well,
the best thing to possibly do is to lower the
threshold for legal labor so that they don't have to
earn more money than America ends. Is what they're actually
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advocating for is a reduction in all these visas you
have to make more than the prevailing wages for Americans.
They want to reduce it where Americans they would have to.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Fight against the cheapest labor on Earth.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Right the the in theory, what the Trump administration is
doing is not letting in illegals to help the farmers,
but they are loosening the restrictions on the existing program
which has no numerical limits, the one a program where
farmers can hire uh immigrants for a year and let
in theory they go back home after the year. Question
(28:36):
whether that actually happens, but uh, they're they're they're they're
lowering the wage requirement and uh they're getting rid of
the obligation of the farmer to provide housing. And what
they want to do is make it year round. Right
now it's only year to seasonal crop.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
First, it comes down that the basic complaint is not
the crops are riding in the fields. The basic complaint
is we want to lower the wage by thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
We can't.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
We don't want to pay thirty percent more for these people.
And that's a much less sympathetic claim. You had Marjorie
Taylor Green on TV talking about the construction industry. Well,
she runs a construction company. Does she really think that
construction industry is going to grind to a halt because
Trump is to porting people. Is the construction industry grinding
to a halts? Do we see it anywhere grinding to halls?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
But if you run a business, it makes a big
difference to you if you have to pay thirty percent more.
That's painful for Marjorie Taylor Green. I don't really care
that much about Marjorie Taylor Green's thirty percent. I care
more about the wages of construction workers rising thirty percent,
and farm workers and all sorts of unskilled labors.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So it all comes down to money.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And it's bizarre that they think by lowering the wage
they will attract more workers. No, the lower wage you
attract fewer workers. It's the higher wage you attract more workers.
You just make it cheaper for the farmers to hire
more workers. And I'm sort of sympathetic to business. I
have friends who are in business. They say, you know,
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like restaurant owners will say, if I have to pay
the dishwasher twelve dollars instead of eleven dollars, I go broke.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I'm out of business.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, I have a friend who has who has I
have a friend who hires semi skills skilled, you know, seamstresses,
And she holds that line, you know, as much as possible,
because at some point your business becomes non viable if
the wages become too high. The restaurant industry in Los
Angeles is a good example. They've boosted the minimum waste
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so high that restaurants are being replaced by takeout places.
So Gwyneth Paltrow has her takeout place. You go, you
pay her twenty dollars, you take the food home with you.
She doesn't have a restaurant. All she does is hand
you the food through door.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Okay. Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Eliminates all those all those expenses. And that's the wave
of the future. The restaurant industry is shrinking of the
takeout food industry is growing.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Uh. I don't think we're at that stage.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
We're just at the stage where a lot of farmers
would like to make more money and avoid having to automate.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And I don't have a lot of sympathy for that.
There are labor.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Labor costs are a relatively small percentage of what of
getting your food, of going from the farm to your table.
Labor is not the main driver. Energy is the main driver. Energy,
and you know, soil and animals and whatever those the
main driver. Labor is a fairly small percentage of the amount.
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And like you said, you can get as many workers
as you want under the A two A visa. So
it's not like they're capped. It's not like there's a scarcity.
They just don't want to pay their own workers what
what they had to pay last year.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Right, that's it. And that's what the United farm Workers said.
The union said, you know, you just don't want to
pay our workers more. So I think that's right. You know,
there is some at some point, if we had a
we had to rely on farm labor, a waves would
be too high, farmers couldn't make it. But we don't
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have to rely on farm labor. We can automate. Uh,
and that is clearly the wave of the future. And
you know Brook Rollins taught Brook Rowlands, Trump's secretary of Agriculture,
talks about how this is just temporary. We were going
to encourage businesses to automate, and this is we have
a transition planned. I'm not sure since here about that.
(32:43):
And the problem is that farmers have a powerful lobby,
especially the especially the non big farmers who are the
people closer to the margin. Maybe uh, And they're not
going to want to if they don't want to automate it,
they're going to lobby to extend it.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
So at some point, yeah, well this is farmers don't
the small farmers don't usually take it much advantage of
the of the A two eight of the visa system.
It's the big ones, it's the one really, yes, the
small I've been to small farms. I've been to CSA
is Community Support and Agriculture. I mean they're most like hippie,
dippy white people who like you know, their yuppies, and
(33:20):
they're reading the Communist manifest on the weekends. I mean
that's that's genuinely that's tendinally the vibe and they're fine,
they're very very nice. They have whatever I didn't the
three times I've been to c Essas, I never saw
visa holders for and bees holders there to do to
you have this back to the earth experience or people
eating holistically. So I mean, that's that's what I've always witnessed.
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It's most of the big ones.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
When they talk about how onerous the requirements are, they
always tried out a small farmer who says, I can't
afford to provide housing for these people.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It would bankrupt me.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
If you're an agro business, it's obviously not going to
bankrupt you to provide housing. You can achieve economies of scale.
So one thing that's interesting is if we do automate,
we'll let encourage further concentration of into big farms and
put small farms out of business.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And I'm not sure that's true.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Why wouldn't there just be a guy with a combine
who goes from farm to farm and he does your farm,
then he goes does your neighbor's farm, and he charges
you money. You don't have to buy the machine, And
that's the way it'll be in far small farms will
do perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Oh yeah, that would be a real if you could
do like a where you could rent where like see
when you need to I don't know, picking time whatever.
You could just rent the machine for the time and
have it just under the amount of wages you would
pay workers. Yeah, that's be a great business model. There's
so many obvious business models for somebody is that they
make money doing this. It's not it can't be impossible,
(34:52):
but it's far easier in the short term not to
automate than to automate. And there's resistance to it because
they don't want to automate. Do they make the AI
farm worker? Sorry, I said, wait till they make the
AI farm worker. I mean, I'm sure the AI farm
worker is already there.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Probably.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I went to my local market the other day and
they have a camera equipped with AI that sees when
people are slipping products into their pockets and then it
goes and busts them.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Okay, so they can do that.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
They can they can, you know, spot whether a fruit
is ripe for picking or the fruit is not right
for picking. I'm pretty sure they already have that technology.
The weird thing is that's a transition. Okay, it's sort
of a painful transition to automation. At some point, we
got to do it. Trump has like four transitions going
on at once.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
He's got the immigrants sort of ripping themselves away from
their families, some of former citizens.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That's painful.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
If he's got the business owners taking a cut, having
to pay twenty or thirty percent more, I'm sure for
Marjorie Taylor Green that's a that's a painful experience. He's
got this automation, farms shifted to automation. And the fourth
one is he has all the African Americans who have
been in government jobs, often bullshit government jobs, DEI jobs,
(36:15):
personnel jobs, HR jobs, who are now getting fired. Their
jobs are being eliminated, and they have they have to
find a new way into the middle class, a new
way into the workforce, and that itself is very painful.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay. So and Trump is doing all four of these
things at once. Okay, right.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You would think if you were like super brilliant, you
would do one at a time. But I guess Trump
it may there may be an argument that you know,
do it when you can.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Trump only has four years. He's got to do them
all at once.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Right now, It's true, there are the Times also an
article on the DEI government jobs or it was like
Trump's firing all these black workers and a lot of
them were DEI jobs. And you're like, Okay, how much
of a last twenty years have we spent as taxpayers
for these jobs that essentially we never needed.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's probably quite a bit, right.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
And we spent and we had community colleges that taught
people the bullshit subjects that qualified them for the bullshit jobs.
There's a huge investment in the bullshit jobs that is disappearing.
So it's it's it's a real thing. It's a real problem.
And you know, people like me expected the black wage
(37:29):
to go up as soon as the deportation started. That
did sort of happen, the wages for a six month
period or higher than they were under Biden. But the
last couple of months haven't been good. And everybody's waiting
for the new figures to come out in a couple
of days to see what happened.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
But what's happening.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
But this.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
End of bullshit middle class jobs in the government is
a huge force in the other direction. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, no, I understand, I mean, I sympathize with them,
but it is it is. I mean, the taxpayers are
putting up quite a big bill for a real long time.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
I guess if I were going to postpone one transition,
I would postpone that one.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Right.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
The other problem is but the other problem is these
jobs aren't just useless, they're actually counter productive.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
And they all vote against the president had they vote
it for him.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I mean every agency in government has a has a
you know, a civil rights mini civil rights division in it,
and their job isn't just to provide jobs for middle
class people who don't do any productive work. No, they
actively make trouble for the rest of the agency by
suing every time you hire somebody you should have hired
a minority, or you should have done this, or protecting
(38:44):
people who you want to fire you can't fire, So
the whole agency is less efficient. Not just that you're
wasting ten percent of your money, you're degrading the.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Entire government, right nickey? Where can people go to read
more about your stuff and listen to you?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I mostly tweet these days, and my handle iskow Smickey.
I have a substack like everybody else on the planet.
It's called Cow's files, but I only rite there when
I actually have something to say, which is very rarely
and and those are basically the two places to see
me it is. Don't you think it's weird that all
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this anti deportation stuff is cropping up at once.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It makes it's all happen at the same time, and
it's all happening from the same spokespeople. I've known Marjorie
even before she got elected, but after she got elected,
before she got seed that I met her and I
talked to her specifically about this, and I listened to
that whole entry she had with Tim dillonmher. She talked
with immigration thing. There were points that she made that
were true, and there were points that she made that
I disagree with. And she said, you know, we need
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a trans what she said with the immigration, we need
to transition these workers from from you know, too legal.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I just think that there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I think there's a lot of people who are first
time Trump voters, and it's like being on a roller
coaster the first for the first time, when you dip
the third the third time Trump supporters are all like
waving their hands in the screaming saying this is a
great time. And the first time Trump voters saying I
did not know what I signed.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Up for, But.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I mean, listen, it's not like he hid the term
mass deportation.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
It wasn't a secret. He couldn't have made it clear.
It was literally signs at the RNC.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
So I don't know. I mean, listens for more years.
He's got to keep it going, and I'm sure there's
intense pressure to make him stop, especially from the likes
people like Brooke Rollins. But you know, two point two
million illegals will up the country in six months through
self deportation. Mostly we have to just keep it up.
That numbers up before. I mean, if you want any
(40:52):
semblance of a country back, I agree. Thank you so much.
Be on this podcast, Mickey, Okay, see you later. You're
listening to It's a Numbers Game with Ryan Grodski.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Will be right back.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Now. It's time for the ask Me Anything segment of
the podcast. If you want to be part of the
Ask Me Anything segment, email me Ryan at Numbers Game
Podcast dot com. That's Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast, Numbers
Plural Gamepodcast dot com. Love taking these questions. First one
comes from Cameron. He asked, is France screwed?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
So?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
I think he's mentioning is France is having a lot
of political instability. Listeners of this podcast, I told you
these votes were happening several weeks ago to pay attention.
And the French Prime Minister, Sebastian and that crew he left.
He collapsed the French government after twenty seven days of
holding the job. So the president had to appoint a
new prime minister and he appointed Sebastian Lacrue. Again, he
(41:44):
appointed the same guy who stepped down. Is France screwed? No,
Macron is screwed and the center is screwed. And what
I mean by that is forever in France or for
a living memory. In France, you had the center right,
the Centrist which is like the Macron Party, and the
center the Socialists. They were all governing France. And France
is a second They have the two rounds of their election, right,
(42:07):
so you have a first round where everyone runs, and
then you have a top two or top three, depending
on the miss pal you're running it. And the agreement
between the three major parties was we're going to block
the far left and we're going to block the National
Rally Marine La Penz party from ever winning seats. Eventually
Le Penn's party became so popular in certain regions they
(42:27):
were winning the first round. They didn't need an alliance.
And the same thing kind of happened with the very
far left, which is scouring of many many parties, so
that coalition cannot hold because the people supporting that coalition
aren't there anymore. They have left. The National Rally is
going to come in first place in the next presidential election,
the first round of it. And the Socialists, not the
(42:49):
Socialist but but the far left party if they are
all aligned behind a single person, which who knows, they
fight on breakup all the time. It is as like
Jlo and Ben Affle, like the French far left they
are they can never keep it together. But if they
have one candidate running for office, it is likely that
they will make the first round as well. The center
(43:10):
is done and mccron is coming to a place where
he's going to try to pass this budget, which needs
to be passed by December in France. I don't know
if he has I don't see how he has the
votes for it. And what he doesn't want to do
is step down. If he resigns as president, then he
will have to he will be the first presidence to
Charles Degall to step down, and if he holds snap elections,
he will very likely end up in a position where
(43:31):
Jordan Bardella, the successor to Marine Lapenn, will be the
prime minister. And he's going to be the president who
ended the great Centrist and he was supposed to be
He was supposed to be Angela Marco was supposed to
be the leader of Europe. He was supposed to be
the man who held the center together. And he's going
to be the man who saw the center of Europe's
second biggest economy, the EU second biggest economy, turned to
(43:55):
either the far left or the far right. And if
it's the far right, and if it's hate, that time,
but if it's the if it's a national rally, you
will be in a position whereby before Trump's presidency ends
that France, Italy, Austria, the Netherlands, very likely Sweden, maybe Finland,
Poland possibly are all the Czech Republic are all far
(44:17):
right or nationalist parties. Great Britain will get there when
they have their next election, likely under Nigel Farage. And
then there's just Germany alone and it can't sustain it.
The center is what's collapsing in Europe and in France,
but France particularly interestingly enough, crazy thing. I don't think
this is going to happen, but it's worth saying because
I find it so Fascinating's de Barbone, who is the
(44:40):
direct descendant of King Louis the ninth. He is the
heir to the Barbone dynasty, said quote. He put out
a statement, The situation has never been so serious. The
Fifth Republic is on the verge of collapse. My family
has served France for centuries, and if France calls upon me,
I will be at its service. The d dispensable conditions
(45:01):
that France desires the return of the monarchy, a monarchy
above parties unifying.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I don't think that France is going to return to
a monarchy. If it does, I will geek out like
no one's business. We will have a full on monarchy episode.
It it will be I will be living for that
episode if it comes out. I don't think it's going
to but it would. It would interest me. A second question,
(45:28):
This is a great interesting question, something non political, which
I love from time to time. Hi, Ryan, I love
your podcast. Listen to it religiously. This is not need
to do with politics, but I hope I find it interesting. Lately,
I've been browsing animal shelters to adopt a new dog,
and almost everyone I've gone to online says their overcapacity.
Even private rescue say that they can't take in any
more animals. Our animal shelters in takes actually up nationwide.
(45:49):
And can you tell me what's contributing to this? Do
you see them as continue to go up or will
they go back down soon? I need to know, as
the guilt trip is getting bigger every time I go
on one of these websites. Have a great day, m
in Tennessee, And yes, they are going up.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I adopted my dog from a shelter in twenty twent
d when during COVID my friend was running a shelter
and they were closing known because of the coronavirus, and
they said, whatever dogs you don't get rid of, we
basically have to, you know, we might have to go
put them in a kill shelter or something like that.
And they send me a picture a tiny dog and
I said, oh, of course, I'll take him. How long
(46:24):
could COVID possibly last for? I'll just have him for
a few weeks and I'll give him back. And that
was five years ago, and he is still he's sleeping
right next to me right now. So that that happens.
So I have a shelter dog. Dogs are a lot
of work. Animals are a.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Lot of work. But they do give you, They do give.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
You more love than a person that would and it's
unconditional anyway. But the answer is yes. They are facing
over crowding nationwide. In New York, the animal care centers
that they received more than one thousand animals per day.
The New York Times report of the shelter system in
New York would need to give up to a give
up about one thousand animals per week to meet capacity,
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which is twice its normal limit. In twenty twenty four,
there were six point five million animals up for adoption.
The national intake had increased by almost a million per
year in the last year, while the amount of people
still getting animals is basically stalled. The puppy boom during
COVID has ended. I've read. I mean, this is all
(47:24):
you know, just pontification. But the analysis is that as
cost of living has increased, as the job market hasn't
been so wonderful. A lot of people can't afford it
as all moving into rental rental spaces as well, a
lot of renters do not want tenants to have animals
inside the house. So all of those things are the
(47:45):
reason why, but the cost living and also people got
animals during COVID and then they had to return to
the office, and then they couldn't leave an animal home
all day, ten hours a day in a cage, so
they had to get rid of them, and all those
things happened. So if you are interested in adopting a pet,
aga cat or whatever, then definitely do so because the
shelters need to get rid of these animals. And if
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you can adopt over getting a dog from a breeder,
that is always wonderful. It's what I did not to
sound like a bleeding heart liberal, because apparently I don't
have a heart, but it would be if you can adopt,
adopt On Thursday. One last announcement before we wrap up
this show. On Thursday, I said, I'm doing a non
political episode. I am having my friend on, my friend
Giancarlo on. We are going to do a top ten
(48:27):
movie list of movies conservatives should watch and why I
think it'll be fascinating tune into that. If you like
this podcast, please like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts, and I will
speak to you guys on Thursday,
Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gradski. Thank
you all for being here. Happy Columbus Day. As many
of you know, I'm a proud descendant of Italian immigrants.
They came to America about one hundred years ago, and
they came from Sicily in Naples. And to quote the
great philosopher Tony Soprano, in this household, Christopher Columbus as
a hero. So Happy Columbus Day. Have a flag cookie
(00:24):
if you don't know who they are. By the way,
for people who don't live in a major city, it's
chocolate top and bottom with the Italian flag in the
middle of great cookie anyway, But Happy Columbus Day.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I hope you have.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
A wonderful day if you're off and even if you're working.
And let don't let anyone tell you that European colonalization
was a bad thing. Discovering America was a great thing,
and so was colonialization from Europe, and ultimately it led
to the founding of the greatest, freest and most prosperous
nation ever existed. So Happy Columbus Day. Now, for the
last few weeks I have focused a lot on the
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elections they're coming up in twenty two days, Yes, twenty
two days. So if you haven't made a plan to
go vote yet, find out who's running in your area,
find out the issues of the support, make a plan
and go out and vote well. I start off every
episode with some polling information about the upcoming elections, but
there really hasn't been many polls lately. There was only one.
It was a Trafalgar Pole in Virginia. Now let me
(01:18):
preface by saying Trafalgar does some very good work in
the past. They did a lot of good work when
Republicans were ahead, but then they had an awful year
in twenty twenty two where they made all these projections
of Republican victories that were you know, never happened, and
some of them weren't even close, and it really hurt
their reputation in a big way. But in twenty twenty
(01:38):
four they were the fifth most accurate pollster, so that's something.
And I might add that in twenty twenty one they
nailed the Virginia local election, so there's that as well.
So the Trafalgar Pole came out and has Spamburger up
by three. It didn't include an independent who's not on
the ballot for some reason, and she's endorsed Spamburger, so
I'm gonna say it'sarely Spamburger plus five. But they Spamberg
(02:01):
up by three, has me for lieutenant governor, Democrat has
me for a lieutenant governor up by one, and the
Republican Jason Miarez, the incumbent attorney general, up by six points.
He is facing Jay Jones, who made all those text
messages saying he wanted to kill Republicans. This seems a
little too good to be true in my judgment, but
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they have nailed some elections in the past and will
have to wait to see more information, which I'll cover
next week probably now. For those of you who know
this show, they listen to me. I don't do episodes
where I chase comments made by other people in the media.
I don't do reaction videos. I don't say like, you
never believe who said so and so the lib got owned,
(02:43):
or you'll never believe this take.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I find most of it very, very cringe. I don't
really care what most people in the media, especially very
famous people who are not even listening as podcasts say.
I'm not going to start a few. It doesn't make
any sense to me. But there have been a few
comments made about immigration that I think need to be addressed,
and I need to present the numbers to you about
what was said. So Joe Rogan, most famous podcaster who's
(03:09):
ever lived, who I don't, by the way, listen to
very often. He had an episode that I checked out
specifically because of this clip where he claimed that people
who support Trump's mass deportations don't have a heart. Let
me roll the clip now so you can hear exactly
what he said.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it
looks is horrific. When you're just arresting people in front
of their kids and just normal regular people that have
been here for twenty years. Yeah, that everybody who has
a heart can't get along with that. Now, everybody who
has a heart sees that and go, that can't be right.
They can't be right. They can't be the only way
(03:47):
to do this right, because you have to think, look, yeah,
we have to have a border, Yes it should have
been secure. Yes they should make sure you know who
everybody is before they get in. Yeah, but when people
been here for twenty years, like, come on, come on,
that's crazy. Yeah, let's find a way if they've been
productive members of society for twenty years, no criminal record,
(04:09):
they worked the entire time, they paid taxes, find them
a pathway to the citizenship. Find a way where you
can do this thing that you want to do, which
is keep terrorists and cartel members from getting across the
border with drugs that kill one hundred thousand people a year. Okay,
but also have a fucking heart, because if you don't,
(04:30):
you're not gonna get anybody on your side. If you're
doing this stuff, publicly throwing women into the ground, handcuffing
people just for existing on the wrong side of the dirt. Yeah,
not a criminal.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Not.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
The only crime they ever committed was coming over here
as a kid.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
They probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on.
Yeah yeah, And you know a lot of kids got
snuck across when they were already born in Mexico and
they've grown up their entire life in America. They can't
even speak span it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
There's a lot going on, and most of it is
emotional blackmail. So, first of all, him saying I didn't
think this is what Trump would do. Did you pay
attention at all to the campaign because he was very
clearly going to do mass deportations. He said it at rallies.
He said in interviews there were signs printed at the
RNC saying mass deportations. Like it wasn't a secret. It
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wasn't like Trump said, Oh, by the way, we're invading Mongolia. Yeah,
that would be shocking, that would be oh wow. He
never mentioned he was going to beade Mongolia. No, this
is very very, very deliberate. It was out in the open.
It was no secrets hidden whatsoever. So saying you only
thought it was criminals means you either a weren't listening
or be trying to play dumb. Now, secondly, it is
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not horrific. Illegal aliens being deported in most of my
time should be my screensaver. This We are the most
generous nation on Earth. We've taken in more immigrants legally
and illegally than any other place on the planet in history,
to our own detriment at times. And the line that
he said these people were just born on the wrong
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side of the dirt. Excuse me, Joe Rogan, exactly how
many migrants are living in your house that you allow,
how many are allowed to camp on your lawn? How
many military age single men will you allow it to
sleep within a few hundred.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Feet of your daughter?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Like this is a rich person trying to make you
feel bad, saying your neighbor should be flooded with people,
your social service services should be drained, your quality of
life should go down. Not his because he lives in
a divorced reality from the rest of us, because he's
worth hundreds of millions of dollars, but middle class people,
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who he views as the ones that have to take
in these people and bear the load of taxpayer funded
immigration problems from illegal alien specifically, their hospitals should be overloaded,
their schoolship to speak seven hundred languages.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It is such hipocrisies to hear from a wealthy person
who has generational wealth on his side that they don't
have a heart for wanting to have a better quality
of life than they would if they lived in a
neighborhood that was flooded with illegal aliens. Secondly, what Rogan
is saying isn't real compassion. What he's advocating for is
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not compassionate. It is quite the opposite of compassion. Rogan's
viewpoint creates a cycle a perpetual victimhood where the world's
poor in rich human smugglers because they're told that the
American people are made up of people who sound like
Joe Rogan, that they will allow illegal behavior, that there's
a high threshold before you get kicked out of the country.
(07:42):
Rogan says, if they commit a certain number of felonies,
I'm sorry, a certain number. What are you talking about, Like,
do you hear the words that are coming out of
your mouth as you live in a gated home in
a nice part of Austin. And to the credit of
Rogan's guests, he tried to lay out later on in
the interview, he tries to lay out what Tom Holman says.
(08:03):
He says tom Holman starts about supporting a draconian effort
to curb illegal immigration, because when an illegal immigrant is
permitted to come in the country, human smugglers prey on
poor people from across the globe, enticing them to do
the same illegal alien trip and make loads of money
for themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
During the first.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Two decades, I want to write people how dangerous having
an open border or any kind of immigration system is
where we don't punish illegal behavior. During the first two
decades of this century. Between seven thousand and eight thousand
migrants died coming into the United States. And those are
the ones who made it to the border. Those are
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the ones who's bodies we discovered, not the people who
went missing in some jungle along the way, or got
thrown from a train track in Mexico, or god knows
what happened to them. This comes from an estimate, by
the way, by USA Facts Slash No More Deaths is
a nonprofit these The years where deaths declined is when
the administration, specifically Trump's administration, actually cracked down on illegal
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immigration domestically because less people thought that they can come here,
so less people made the trip. That is true and
between and in the last fifteen years, and this is
a very rough estimate, but between fifty thousand and one
hundred and fifty thousand migrants who came to the US
or try to come to the US were sold into
sex slavery, seventy to eighty percent of them being women,
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twenty to thirty percent being minors, human traffickers since the
year twenty ten. Would you know that would that was
completely by the time that rogans that these people should
be allowed here. They made between seventy five to one
hundred and ten billion since two thousand smugglers. That faucet,
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that money faucet is turned off to a great degree
because migrants aren't willing to come here if they know
they're going to be deported. You are actually improving their lives.
You are preventing hundreds of them from dying of dehydration
or murder. You're preventing thousands from being sold into sex slavery,
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many of them miners. You are preventing all those things
by being tough on illegal immigration. Here, Joe Rogan just
can't see it. So not only is Rogan not actually
offering any compassion, it's all emotional blackmail because he hopes
to entrine a policy that will get thousands of people
killed and sold into slavery and enrich the worst people
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in the world. It's just because your algorithm doesn't show
you that that you can't get the vibes that actually
enforcing laws are good, right, I mean, it's not fair.
It is simply not fair to allow a country to
skirt their laws for a specific group of people who enrich.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
The worst people in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Human smugglers are, in my opinion, the worst people in
the world and openly hurt a law that already allows
a million people in a year. Imagine all the people
who waited twenty thirty years to come here legally and
hope someone just crosses. They lived close by the border
so they'd be able to get in. The victims created
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by Joe Rogan's supposed compassion aren't the only thing he's
not noticing, right. He's not just noticing the people who
didn't die because they didn't cross the border legally, or
didn't get sold in sex slavery, or all the money
the cartel members and umn speglers didn't make. He also
is not seeing the amount of people who are just
leaving on their own peacefully without being arrested, without being chased,
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without you know, having a horrific video, as he calls them.
According to an estimate, this is by the Border Patrol
and by ICE, between two hundred and fifty thousand and
three hundred thousand illegal aliens have been deported since Trump
took office in January, Yet six or seven times that
amount have decided to leave on their own a cord
without force, arrest or trial. It has saved the United
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States billions of dollars in legal fees in law and
lawyers in chasing them down in everything. According to data
collected by the Center for Immigration Studies, the foreign born
population of the United States trunk by two point two
million people from January to August twenty twenty five. That
means that for every one illegal alien that we forcibly deported,
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six or seven just lept on their own without any
viral video that hurts Joe Rogan's feelings, emotional blackmail masked
as toxic compassion serves no one's interests. And Rogan's brand
of being like the everyman who you know, he doesn't
do big research. It's all vibes and feelings and he'll
talk to anybody and whatever. That is great. When you
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are worth hundreds of millions of dollars and you were
denied any consequences from the statistics, from the real effects
of policies you advocate for, it's just pisses me off
the no end And I had to bring up and
he Rogan's not the only person who's been sitting there
and doubling down on trying to be loose an immigration.
The Trump's own administration put out a document that was
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reported by the Washington Post. It says, quote, the near
total cessation of inflow of illegal aliens is threading the
stability of domestic food production and prices for US consumers.
Unless the Department acts immediately to provide a source of stable,
lawful labor, this threat will go. The Washington Post article continues,
The Labor Department made this case in paperwork documenting a
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new rule that took back October second that effectively lowers
the pay for seasonal migrants working in agriculture under the
H two A visa program. The move is aimed at
giving farmers easier and legal access to foreign workers to
avoid imminent widespread disruption of the US agriculture sector. The
agency said is expected to cut labor costs by twenty
four billion dollars over the next decade, so two point
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four billion a year. I don't know why they do
the next decade.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
For okay, here's why.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The Washington Post and by extension, the farm lobby is
lying to people, including the Trump administration, whoever.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Published this post.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Unlike most visa categories, the H two A visa, the
farm labor visa has no cap It is completely dependent
on the demands of the employer. So if you want
ten million, you get ten million. If you want ten thousand,
you get ten thousand. In twenty twenty four, we gave
out almost four hundred thousand H two A visas. But
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as the article says, it's not about access to workers.
That is not what labor farmers are complaining about. It
is the fact that the way it works is it
with the H two A visa you have to deal
with something called the adverse effect wage rate. Basically, they
can't pay H two A visa workers farm workers less
than the average American citizen in whatever given state that
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a farm is operating in. So farm workers tend to
get between fifteen and twenty dollars an hour based upon
which state they're working on, like Florida's like fifteen eighty
an hour, in California's like twenty dollars in seventy cents
an hour, So they don't underwork undercut American American pay.
That's the whole entire point is to protect American workers.
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With that part of it, they also to provide some
basic services like housing and transportation for them, things that
will probably otherwise likely be covered by taxpayers if it
doesn't work it, so the employers have to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So it's not that farmers.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Farmers can't get access to workers, they just don't want
to pay them anything more than impoverish wages. They know
they were refused. They were having such a problem undercutting
American laws. And I'm sorry. If an industry cannot operate
under the current law, which is very generous to them,
then it cannot continue the way that it's running. Like
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they need to reform or they need to get bought
out by someone who can reform them.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And it's not even accurate.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It is not even accurate that increasing labor costs are
changing the prices of groceries. Which is this article reference
later on, and it's mentioned oh over and over again,
is that grocery prices are coming up. Farm labor is
nine percent of raw farm input costs, and raw farm
input costs is ten to twenty percent of retail prices
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on average. Thus, if you doubled, which no one's calling
for a double, but even if you doubled farm labor,
the costs at a retail would be up by one
to two percent, and it would we one to two
percent per year. It's a one time adjustment. It is
time that we have a very real conversation, not we,
but the administration has a conversation with agriculture and say
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it's time to mechanize like it is. We is the
end of the low skilled, low skilled labor era. It's
like when a tailor shops era the low skilled labor error.
It's going to make grocery prices cheaper. If they mechanize,
We're going to end the entire draw the entire magnet
of low skilled labor from from the Third World, especially
as their birth rates are plummeting in places like Mexico,
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in places like Guatemala, that they don't have an endless
supply of nineteen year olds who are uneducated who want
to work. That supplies thinning out every single year. And
Congress could offer tax breaks so medium size and fairly
larger or decently larger farms can afford the mechanization costs.
It's just it's ridiculous that every time we talk about
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enforcing the law and having a country and protecting our borders,
we have to hear about rotted vegetables in the fields.
I just can't. I guess I don't have a heart.
At the end of the day, I guess if this
is what I have to do is get surrender the country,
have no borders, have no enforcement in the entire world,
and let them live on the taxpayer dole. I guess
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in the end of the day, I don't have a
heart either. But what I don't have is the ability
to buy bullshit compassion from very rich companies and people
who will never ever have to live with the consequences
that they're advocating for. With me this week is a
liberal friend of mine who has been talking about immigration
longer than I think I've even been alive, Very very smart.
(17:58):
I think it's the first liberal friend of mine I've
ever had on the show that's coming up next. Mickey
Cows is the author of the End of Equality, a
legendary blogger, a good friend of mine. Mickey, thank you
for being on.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Glad to be here. Ryan so on Columbus down the
Day of My People.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So, Mickey, you're a very well known liberal and but
you've argued a lot over the over the over the
issue of immigration with members of both parties about this,
and Joe Rogan had on his podcast he said, if
you do not support you support mass m mass mass deportations.
(18:40):
You don't have compassion and you don't have a heart.
This is a common thing heard on the left about
the argument compassion. Is it compassionate the way that Donald
Trump is doing deportations Now.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Well, Holman's seems to have into a bit of what
that CB the Border Patrol's philosophy was, which was always
to we impose consequences. I always thought that was a
bad slogan because you could justify any anything as imposing consequence.
(19:15):
As you know, we threw people out the pits. Okay,
that's imposing consequence. The Border Patrol should efficiently and politely
as possible get people out of the country.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You shouldn't be here, So I.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Think their focus should be on the numbers. Instead, they
focused on what's been called, I think correctly, a sort
of shockun awe strategy, on the grounds that they can
then use this to discourage people overseas for me trying
to come and encourage people to self support, both of
which are worthy goals, and it makes sense to do that.
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But I wonder in this day and age with cell phones,
when people find out people decide whether to come to
America by whether their cousin got in their cousin call
also on the cell phone from America and as I
got in, they'll come to. If he says I didn't
get in, they won't come. The chakunaw is less important
than it was before we had this instant communication for
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who is in and who is actually out. So if
I were, if I were running CBP, I would tone
it down a bit, okay, And maybe I don't think
that would plak people like Joe Rogan, who was spouting
every every sort of cliche of the anti borders community
about how you know, first he we want to give
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people a path to citizenship. Well, you don't spout that
unless you imbued with propaganda. And also he picks the
most extreme examples, people who've been here twenty years. You know,
you know the Bible led in people in the past
five years, within five million people. Okay, Obviously, if you
pick the first people, you'd like to deport it. So
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that was those five million who only been there for
five years, and a policy of self deportation gets most
of those those people who is going to deport self
support first, people who have no roots, people have only
been here for a short period of time. That the
Biden people are going to self deport, so home strategy
makes sense as a way to focus on the new arrivals.
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People have been here twenty years are going to be
more reluctant to self deport.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And some people who have been here for twenty years,
like that chef the New George W. Bush, he'd been
here for so long. Well, I looked at his case.
He had an outstanding deportation order. He had been through
the system. They found he had no legal right to
be here. He guess applied for asylum. They said, you
have no right for a legal asylum, and then he
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just evaded deportation. So he broke the law not once,
but then he evaded deportation a second time. As a
big middle finger to you, I don't have a ton
of compassion for people I who do that.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Now, there's only one case that's really gotten to me
in terms of maybe we shouldn't deport this guy. It
was a you know, sixty five year old jail in
LA who was doing nothing but go into work every day.
And I have much more sympathy for that guy. He'd
been here for a long time. Twenty Let's say he's
satisfied the twenty years requirement. I have much more sympathy
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for that guy than for this social climate who comes
lies and sucks up to powerful people. Plus, he has talents.
He can go back home. He can use his talents
to make savici wherever he comes from. His poor janitor,
his talent. He doesn't have those talents. If he goes home,
he might be in a worse shape. But I guess
my base ic point is I would be happy to
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cut a deal, an actual honest deal that said, you know,
in the spirit of Statute of limitations, we to port
everybody who used here legally. But if you're here for
twenty years, the statute of limitations, he clicks in and
you get to stay in some form or another. Okay,
if the Democrats would stick to that deal, if they
were a common agreement that we have orders we enforce
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the immigration laws, it's legitimate to enforce the immigration laws.
But the Democrats don't have that. They don't see the
validity of enforcing the immigration laws. And they were just
used the twenty to lobby for fifteen and then ten
and then five and then zero. So you if you
cut that deal, which is a reasonable deal to make,
you're buying a whole world of trouble. So I support
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the idea for now, let's just support everybody who's here
illegally and see what happens, and maybe the Democrats will
finally get the message that we have borders. The other
part about compassion is, I mean, what my book was
about was about how unskilled Americans, especially blacks, were being
thrown on the trash heap of history because wages were
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actually going down for those people. So while it used
to be everybody moved up into the middle class in Unison,
the bottoms were dropping out. They were going on fednel
there the people Charles Murray wrote about. And that's not
the society we want, and it's produced by mass immigration,
because those people are lowering the wages for everybody at
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the bottom. Even if they don't take a single job
from a black person, they are lowering the wages. But
of course they do take jobs from black people. Blacks
rightly say they're the last tired, first fired, and they
are hired after the illegals. So if you have compassion
for your fellow Americans who have been screwed over the
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last forty years, you want to control immigration, right, So
I want to go back to your first point before
you or the second point. Here's why I don't agree
with the twenty year policy.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Like, if you've been here since.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Two thousand, let's say, are two thousand and five, then
you get to say, let's say two thousands is a
nice even year. The Reagan amnesty was in eighty six,
it was signed in eighty six. It didn't take effack
to like eighty seven, it ended. I think I think
the last person who got it was like in nineteen
ninety nine or two thousand, but it extended for quite
a perio of time.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
George H. W.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Bush issued to see a smaller but a series of
amnesties as well.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So really you're talking about people.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Who came between nineteen ninety three and two thousand, right
like right before nine to eleven. It's a six or
seven period of time. It's a few million people, some
of which will have passed away by this point, some
will return to their own home country. It's not it's
a very very it's a blip of the illegal alien
population as far as the real groups of people. But
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those are clearly the most sympathetic cases, and the problem
for people who want to enforce the.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Law is that we see.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, we see that woman throwing herself on the floor
of the jail cell saying, please don't take my husband.
What we don't see is the six or seven people
who just go home on their own peacefully. There was
a New York Times article over the weekend about how
New York City public schools are fighting back against deportations.
Every person they feature was being deported. So I have
no idea how they're fighting back but their parent. But
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there were a lot of them were just self deporting.
They were just going home on their own volition. And
that's the best way possible. It is you are, it
is the best. It's what we are looking for. So
I don't know if I buy the whole like twenty
year thing. And also there's I mean, it's hard to
have documentation. And when I think what Joe Rogan doesn't
understand and you would, is is that when you're talking
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about an administrative state and the administration having to go
through millions upon millions of applications to verify the legitimacy
of someone's claims that they haven't broken the law, not
even like id theft, and that they've been here a
certain period of time I mean, you're talking about paperwork
that would take you know, five, six, seven, eight years
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to even go through in a proper basis. So I
think that that's that's why we get Sony bad legal immigrants,
is because it takes so long to go just a
short period of time to do the paperwork.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Every time they draw a line like that in the
Reagan amnesty, with the doc I amnesty, there's massive fraud.
People claim, you know, if you're supposed to come before
sixty five, I people come up with some fake utility
bill or something that implies they came here before sixty five.
I mean, the numbers are always much larger than expected because
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they're inflated by fraud. And yes, you're asking for it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And it's an open invitation for one progressive judges to
waive those things, which they did on the Reagan Amnesty
and invite the entire world. In you mentioned about black
Americans being left behind, there was a story in the
Washington Post. I sent it to you know, I've got
a chance to read it about farm workers and the
Department of Labor complaining you're getting complaints from farm workers
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that once again they're going to have rotted vegetables in
the fields because they can't get access to illegal immigrants.
And if you read throughout the article, it says, well,
the best thing to possibly do is to lower the
threshold for legal labor so that they don't have to
earn more money than America ends. Is what they're actually
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advocating for is a reduction in all these visas you
have to make more than the prevailing wages for Americans.
They want to reduce it where Americans they would have to.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Fight against the cheapest labor on Earth.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Right the the in theory, what the Trump administration is
doing is not letting in illegals to help the farmers,
but they are loosening the restrictions on the existing program
which has no numerical limits, the one a program where
farmers can hire uh immigrants for a year and let
in theory they go back home after the year. Question
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whether that actually happens, but uh, they're they're they're they're
lowering the wage requirement and uh they're getting rid of
the obligation of the farmer to provide housing. And what
they want to do is make it year round. Right
now it's only year to seasonal crop.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
First, it comes down that the basic complaint is not
the crops are riding in the fields. The basic complaint
is we want to lower the wage by thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
We can't.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
We don't want to pay thirty percent more for these people.
And that's a much less sympathetic claim. You had Marjorie
Taylor Green on TV talking about the construction industry. Well,
she runs a construction company. Does she really think that
construction industry is going to grind to a halt because
Trump is to porting people. Is the construction industry grinding
to a halts? Do we see it anywhere grinding to halls?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
But if you run a business, it makes a big
difference to you if you have to pay thirty percent more.
That's painful for Marjorie Taylor Green. I don't really care
that much about Marjorie Taylor Green's thirty percent. I care
more about the wages of construction workers rising thirty percent,
and farm workers and all sorts of unskilled labors.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So it all comes down to money.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And it's bizarre that they think by lowering the wage
they will attract more workers. No, the lower wage you
attract fewer workers. It's the higher wage you attract more workers.
You just make it cheaper for the farmers to hire
more workers. And I'm sort of sympathetic to business. I
have friends who are in business. They say, you know,
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like restaurant owners will say, if I have to pay
the dishwasher twelve dollars instead of eleven dollars, I go broke.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I'm out of business.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, I have a friend who has who has I
have a friend who hires semi skills skilled, you know, seamstresses,
And she holds that line, you know, as much as possible,
because at some point your business becomes non viable if
the wages become too high. The restaurant industry in Los
Angeles is a good example. They've boosted the minimum waste
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so high that restaurants are being replaced by takeout places.
So Gwyneth Paltrow has her takeout place. You go, you
pay her twenty dollars, you take the food home with you.
She doesn't have a restaurant. All she does is hand
you the food through door.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Okay. Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Eliminates all those all those expenses. And that's the wave
of the future. The restaurant industry is shrinking of the
takeout food industry is growing.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Uh. I don't think we're at that stage.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
We're just at the stage where a lot of farmers
would like to make more money and avoid having to automate.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And I don't have a lot of sympathy for that.
There are labor.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Labor costs are a relatively small percentage of what of
getting your food, of going from the farm to your table.
Labor is not the main driver. Energy is the main driver. Energy,
and you know, soil and animals and whatever those the
main driver. Labor is a fairly small percentage of the amount.
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And like you said, you can get as many workers
as you want under the A two A visa. So
it's not like they're capped. It's not like there's a scarcity.
They just don't want to pay their own workers what
what they had to pay last year.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Right, that's it. And that's what the United farm Workers said.
The union said, you know, you just don't want to
pay our workers more. So I think that's right. You know,
there is some at some point, if we had a
we had to rely on farm labor, a waves would
be too high, farmers couldn't make it. But we don't
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have to rely on farm labor. We can automate. Uh,
and that is clearly the wave of the future. And
you know Brook Rollins taught Brook Rowlands, Trump's secretary of Agriculture,
talks about how this is just temporary. We were going
to encourage businesses to automate, and this is we have
a transition planned. I'm not sure since here about that.
(32:43):
And the problem is that farmers have a powerful lobby,
especially the especially the non big farmers who are the
people closer to the margin. Maybe uh, And they're not
going to want to if they don't want to automate it,
they're going to lobby to extend it.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
So at some point, yeah, well this is farmers don't
the small farmers don't usually take it much advantage of
the of the A two eight of the visa system.
It's the big ones, it's the one really, yes, the
small I've been to small farms. I've been to CSA
is Community Support and Agriculture. I mean they're most like hippie,
dippy white people who like you know, their yuppies, and
(33:20):
they're reading the Communist manifest on the weekends. I mean
that's that's genuinely that's tendinally the vibe and they're fine,
they're very very nice. They have whatever I didn't the
three times I've been to c Essas, I never saw
visa holders for and bees holders there to do to
you have this back to the earth experience or people
eating holistically. So I mean, that's that's what I've always witnessed.
(33:45):
It's most of the big ones.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
When they talk about how onerous the requirements are, they
always tried out a small farmer who says, I can't
afford to provide housing for these people.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It would bankrupt me.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
If you're an agro business, it's obviously not going to
bankrupt you to provide housing. You can achieve economies of scale.
So one thing that's interesting is if we do automate,
we'll let encourage further concentration of into big farms and
put small farms out of business.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And I'm not sure that's true.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Why wouldn't there just be a guy with a combine
who goes from farm to farm and he does your farm,
then he goes does your neighbor's farm, and he charges
you money. You don't have to buy the machine, And
that's the way it'll be in far small farms will
do perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Oh yeah, that would be a real if you could
do like a where you could rent where like see
when you need to I don't know, picking time whatever.
You could just rent the machine for the time and
have it just under the amount of wages you would
pay workers. Yeah, that's be a great business model. There's
so many obvious business models for somebody is that they
make money doing this. It's not it can't be impossible,
(34:52):
but it's far easier in the short term not to
automate than to automate. And there's resistance to it because
they don't want to automate. Do they make the AI
farm worker? Sorry, I said, wait till they make the
AI farm worker. I mean, I'm sure the AI farm
worker is already there.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Probably.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I went to my local market the other day and
they have a camera equipped with AI that sees when
people are slipping products into their pockets and then it
goes and busts them.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Okay, so they can do that.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
They can they can, you know, spot whether a fruit
is ripe for picking or the fruit is not right
for picking. I'm pretty sure they already have that technology.
The weird thing is that's a transition. Okay, it's sort
of a painful transition to automation. At some point, we
got to do it. Trump has like four transitions going
on at once.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
He's got the immigrants sort of ripping themselves away from
their families, some of former citizens.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That's painful.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
If he's got the business owners taking a cut, having
to pay twenty or thirty percent more, I'm sure for
Marjorie Taylor Green that's a that's a painful experience. He's
got this automation, farms shifted to automation. And the fourth
one is he has all the African Americans who have
been in government jobs, often bullshit government jobs, DEI jobs,
(36:15):
personnel jobs, HR jobs, who are now getting fired. Their
jobs are being eliminated, and they have they have to
find a new way into the middle class, a new
way into the workforce, and that itself is very painful.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay. So and Trump is doing all four of these
things at once. Okay, right.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You would think if you were like super brilliant, you
would do one at a time. But I guess Trump
it may there may be an argument that you know,
do it when you can.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Trump only has four years. He's got to do them
all at once.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Right now, It's true, there are the Times also an
article on the DEI government jobs or it was like
Trump's firing all these black workers and a lot of
them were DEI jobs. And you're like, Okay, how much
of a last twenty years have we spent as taxpayers
for these jobs that essentially we never needed.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's probably quite a bit, right.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
And we spent and we had community colleges that taught
people the bullshit subjects that qualified them for the bullshit jobs.
There's a huge investment in the bullshit jobs that is disappearing.
So it's it's it's a real thing. It's a real problem.
And you know, people like me expected the black wage
(37:29):
to go up as soon as the deportation started. That
did sort of happen, the wages for a six month
period or higher than they were under Biden. But the
last couple of months haven't been good. And everybody's waiting
for the new figures to come out in a couple
of days to see what happened.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
But what's happening.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
But this.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
End of bullshit middle class jobs in the government is
a huge force in the other direction. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, no, I understand, I mean, I sympathize with them,
but it is it is. I mean, the taxpayers are
putting up quite a big bill for a real long time.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
I guess if I were going to postpone one transition,
I would postpone that one.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Right.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
The other problem is but the other problem is these
jobs aren't just useless, they're actually counter productive.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
And they all vote against the president had they vote
it for him.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I mean every agency in government has a has a
you know, a civil rights mini civil rights division in it,
and their job isn't just to provide jobs for middle
class people who don't do any productive work. No, they
actively make trouble for the rest of the agency by
suing every time you hire somebody you should have hired
a minority, or you should have done this, or protecting
(38:44):
people who you want to fire you can't fire, So
the whole agency is less efficient. Not just that you're
wasting ten percent of your money, you're degrading the.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Entire government, right nickey? Where can people go to read
more about your stuff and listen to you?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I mostly tweet these days, and my handle iskow Smickey.
I have a substack like everybody else on the planet.
It's called Cow's files, but I only rite there when
I actually have something to say, which is very rarely
and and those are basically the two places to see
me it is. Don't you think it's weird that all
(39:23):
this anti deportation stuff is cropping up at once.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It makes it's all happen at the same time, and
it's all happening from the same spokespeople. I've known Marjorie
even before she got elected, but after she got elected,
before she got seed that I met her and I
talked to her specifically about this, and I listened to
that whole entry she had with Tim dillonmher. She talked
with immigration thing. There were points that she made that
were true, and there were points that she made that
I disagree with. And she said, you know, we need
(39:49):
a trans what she said with the immigration, we need
to transition these workers from from you know, too legal.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I just think that there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I think there's a lot of people who are first
time Trump voters, and it's like being on a roller
coaster the first for the first time, when you dip
the third the third time Trump supporters are all like
waving their hands in the screaming saying this is a
great time. And the first time Trump voters saying I
did not know what I signed.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Up for, But.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I mean, listen, it's not like he hid the term
mass deportation.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
It wasn't a secret. He couldn't have made it clear.
It was literally signs at the RNC.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
So I don't know. I mean, listens for more years.
He's got to keep it going, and I'm sure there's
intense pressure to make him stop, especially from the likes
people like Brooke Rollins. But you know, two point two
million illegals will up the country in six months through
self deportation. Mostly we have to just keep it up.
That numbers up before. I mean, if you want any
(40:52):
semblance of a country back, I agree. Thank you so much.
Be on this podcast, Mickey, Okay, see you later. You're
listening to It's a Numbers Game with Ryan Grodski.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Will be right back.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Now. It's time for the ask Me Anything segment of
the podcast. If you want to be part of the
Ask Me Anything segment, email me Ryan at Numbers Game
Podcast dot com. That's Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast, Numbers
Plural Gamepodcast dot com. Love taking these questions. First one
comes from Cameron. He asked, is France screwed?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
So?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
I think he's mentioning is France is having a lot
of political instability. Listeners of this podcast, I told you
these votes were happening several weeks ago to pay attention.
And the French Prime Minister, Sebastian and that crew he left.
He collapsed the French government after twenty seven days of
holding the job. So the president had to appoint a
new prime minister and he appointed Sebastian Lacrue. Again, he
(41:44):
appointed the same guy who stepped down. Is France screwed? No,
Macron is screwed and the center is screwed. And what
I mean by that is forever in France or for
a living memory. In France, you had the center right,
the Centrist which is like the Macron Party, and the
center the Socialists. They were all governing France. And France
is a second They have the two rounds of their election, right,
(42:07):
so you have a first round where everyone runs, and
then you have a top two or top three, depending
on the miss pal you're running it. And the agreement
between the three major parties was we're going to block
the far left and we're going to block the National
Rally Marine La Penz party from ever winning seats. Eventually
Le Penn's party became so popular in certain regions they
(42:27):
were winning the first round. They didn't need an alliance.
And the same thing kind of happened with the very
far left, which is scouring of many many parties, so
that coalition cannot hold because the people supporting that coalition
aren't there anymore. They have left. The National Rally is
going to come in first place in the next presidential election,
the first round of it. And the Socialists, not the
(42:49):
Socialist but but the far left party if they are
all aligned behind a single person, which who knows, they
fight on breakup all the time. It is as like
Jlo and Ben Affle, like the French far left they
are they can never keep it together. But if they
have one candidate running for office, it is likely that
they will make the first round as well. The center
(43:10):
is done and mccron is coming to a place where
he's going to try to pass this budget, which needs
to be passed by December in France. I don't know
if he has I don't see how he has the
votes for it. And what he doesn't want to do
is step down. If he resigns as president, then he
will have to he will be the first presidence to
Charles Degall to step down, and if he holds snap elections,
he will very likely end up in a position where
(43:31):
Jordan Bardella, the successor to Marine Lapenn, will be the
prime minister. And he's going to be the president who
ended the great Centrist and he was supposed to be
He was supposed to be Angela Marco was supposed to
be the leader of Europe. He was supposed to be
the man who held the center together. And he's going
to be the man who saw the center of Europe's
second biggest economy, the EU second biggest economy, turned to
(43:55):
either the far left or the far right. And if
it's the far right, and if it's hate, that time,
but if it's the if it's a national rally, you
will be in a position whereby before Trump's presidency ends
that France, Italy, Austria, the Netherlands, very likely Sweden, maybe Finland,
Poland possibly are all the Czech Republic are all far
(44:17):
right or nationalist parties. Great Britain will get there when
they have their next election, likely under Nigel Farage. And
then there's just Germany alone and it can't sustain it.
The center is what's collapsing in Europe and in France,
but France particularly interestingly enough, crazy thing. I don't think
this is going to happen, but it's worth saying because
I find it so Fascinating's de Barbone, who is the
(44:40):
direct descendant of King Louis the ninth. He is the
heir to the Barbone dynasty, said quote. He put out
a statement, The situation has never been so serious. The
Fifth Republic is on the verge of collapse. My family
has served France for centuries, and if France calls upon me,
I will be at its service. The d dispensable conditions
(45:01):
that France desires the return of the monarchy, a monarchy
above parties unifying.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I don't think that France is going to return to
a monarchy. If it does, I will geek out like
no one's business. We will have a full on monarchy episode.
It it will be I will be living for that
episode if it comes out. I don't think it's going
to but it would. It would interest me. A second question,
(45:28):
This is a great interesting question, something non political, which
I love from time to time. Hi, Ryan, I love
your podcast. Listen to it religiously. This is not need
to do with politics, but I hope I find it interesting. Lately,
I've been browsing animal shelters to adopt a new dog,
and almost everyone I've gone to online says their overcapacity.
Even private rescue say that they can't take in any
more animals. Our animal shelters in takes actually up nationwide.
(45:49):
And can you tell me what's contributing to this? Do
you see them as continue to go up or will
they go back down soon? I need to know, as
the guilt trip is getting bigger every time I go
on one of these websites. Have a great day, m
in Tennessee, And yes, they are going up.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I adopted my dog from a shelter in twenty twent
d when during COVID my friend was running a shelter
and they were closing known because of the coronavirus, and
they said, whatever dogs you don't get rid of, we
basically have to, you know, we might have to go
put them in a kill shelter or something like that.
And they send me a picture a tiny dog and
I said, oh, of course, I'll take him. How long
(46:24):
could COVID possibly last for? I'll just have him for
a few weeks and I'll give him back. And that
was five years ago, and he is still he's sleeping
right next to me right now. So that that happens.
So I have a shelter dog. Dogs are a lot
of work. Animals are a.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Lot of work. But they do give you, They do give.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
You more love than a person that would and it's
unconditional anyway. But the answer is yes. They are facing
over crowding nationwide. In New York, the animal care centers
that they received more than one thousand animals per day.
The New York Times report of the shelter system in
New York would need to give up to a give
up about one thousand animals per week to meet capacity,
(47:03):
which is twice its normal limit. In twenty twenty four,
there were six point five million animals up for adoption.
The national intake had increased by almost a million per
year in the last year, while the amount of people
still getting animals is basically stalled. The puppy boom during
COVID has ended. I've read. I mean, this is all
(47:24):
you know, just pontification. But the analysis is that as
cost of living has increased, as the job market hasn't
been so wonderful. A lot of people can't afford it
as all moving into rental rental spaces as well, a
lot of renters do not want tenants to have animals
inside the house. So all of those things are the
(47:45):
reason why, but the cost living and also people got
animals during COVID and then they had to return to
the office, and then they couldn't leave an animal home
all day, ten hours a day in a cage, so
they had to get rid of them, and all those
things happened. So if you are interested in adopting a pet,
aga cat or whatever, then definitely do so because the
shelters need to get rid of these animals. And if
(48:05):
you can adopt over getting a dog from a breeder,
that is always wonderful. It's what I did not to
sound like a bleeding heart liberal, because apparently I don't
have a heart, but it would be if you can adopt,
adopt On Thursday. One last announcement before we wrap up
this show. On Thursday, I said, I'm doing a non
political episode. I am having my friend on, my friend
Giancarlo on. We are going to do a top ten
(48:27):
movie list of movies conservatives should watch and why I
think it'll be fascinating tune into that. If you like
this podcast, please like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app,
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