October 16, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives into major geopolitical and domestic political stories shaping the news cycle. Clay and Buck open the hour discussing President Donald Trump’s high-stakes diplomacy, including his live call with Vladimir Putin and efforts to broker peace between Russia and Ukraine.
They analyze Trump’s strategy to pressure Russia by potentially supplying Ukraine with long-range weapons capable of striking inside Russian territory, and the economic leverage involving oil and gas markets. The conversation expands to Trump’s simultaneous trade showdown with China, highlighting looming 100% tariffs on Chinese goods and the global battle over rare earth minerals critical to modern technology.
The hosts explore whether Trump can realistically achieve a ceasefire in Ukraine, the risks of escalation—including nuclear threats—and the role of frozen Russian assets in Europe as a potential game-changer. They also touch on U.S. defense production challenges, noting America’s limited capacity to ramp up weapons manufacturing compared to Russia’s reserves, and how winter conditions in Ukraine could stall battlefield advances and open a window for negotiations.
Shifting to U.S. politics, Clay and Buck break down a bombshell Axios report revealing that top Democrats are plotting a 2028 primary challenge against Senator John Fetterman. They play clips from Fetterman’s recent NewsNation town hall, where he criticized Democratic extremism and defended Trump voters as “not Nazis,” sparking backlash from the party’s progressive base.
The discussion frames Fetterman as a rare Democrat willing to reject divisive rhetoric, drawing comparisons to Tulsi Gabbard, and examines how this internal feud could fracture Democrats in Pennsylvania—a pivotal battleground state.
Additional topics include AOC’s claim that Republicans are misleading young men with “toxic masculinity,” the tightening New York City mayoral race featuring candidate Momani, and signs of a competitive Virginia governor’s race prompting Barack Obama to campaign for Democrats. Clay and Buck also revisit media narratives around Israel and Gaza, debunking exaggerated claims of “genocide” and “starvation,” and calling out CNN’s Christiane Amanpour for controversial remarks about hostages.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are rolling
with all of you. Thursday edition of the program. I
have joined Buck in the Free State of Florida. I'm
in the northern part of Florida. He is in the
absolute most southern, nearly part of Florida. But we have
got the entire sides of the state covered. I'm on
the Panhandle, Buck, and I know you talked about when
(00:22):
you were in the Highlands how everybody who comes up
is super I bet per capita the Panhandle of Florida,
particularly down in the beach area, maybe the number one
most indexed I love you, Clay and Buck audience in
all of America. So this is fun. I'm in Panama
City Beach for the next couple of days and we
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are monitoring a bunch of different stories that are out there.
President Trump is as we speak, I believe, unless something
has happened in the last couple of minutes on a
phone call with Vladimir Putin. Trump is Buck. He's it,
you know when you you know he got the role
going a little bit. Maybe whatever your game is table stakes.
(01:06):
Hey JB. Pritzker, one point four million dollars. We've have
some fun with that in gambling earnings last year. Did
you guys see that the governor of Illinois. But you
have the Maybe you're on the crabs table and the
roles are going your direction. Maybe you've just hit blackjack
against the dealer and you got some money in your pocket.
Maybe you just hit on a few of our prize
(01:26):
picks winners. But President Trump is feeling it right now.
He's got the peace agreement in the Middle East, and
he now is stepping up. He's got Zelensky coming into
the White House on Friday, and I think he's increasingly
emboldened at his hand, so to speak, and the string
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of victories that he has put together. And I think
he has expectations that he's going to be able to
find peace in this Ukraine and Russia deal. And it's
going to be interesting to see what his negotiating lever is.
We got a bunch to get into. But right off
the top, Buck, it seems like right now Trump has
decided that maybe the way to get peace is to
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make Russia fear if the war continues. Right now, there
is no fear. If you look in the Middle East.
I know a lot of people disagreed with you and me,
but we were right the strike in Iran basically let
everybody know, Okay, there are consequences if we step outside
the lines of acceptable behavior, and right now there are
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no consequences for Russia. Those consequences can be economic as
it comes to oil and gas, and Trump has tried
to bring that to bear on India. But it seems
and I'm not sure he's officially going to do it,
but it seems that Trump has decided that giving Ukraine
weapons that can reach into Russia and directly attack Russia's
ability to produce oil, which is what is the money
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funding source that is allowing this war to continue, that
maybe Trump is at least willing to threaten, if not
actually willing to do it. Does that kind of seem
to be your read from a negotiating standpoint in what
exactly is at stake here or what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yes, and we should dive into some of the specifics here.
I would just add to it that there's also the
very high stakes negotiation with China going on over trade,
over tariffs, where on the first of January, as of
right now, it's supposed to be one hundred percent tariff
going into effect on Chinese goods, which this is true
(03:37):
trade war stuff. I mean, one hundred percent tariff is
in a little certax. That is now the products will
no longer be competitive entering the US market at the
current rates.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
China is thinking that they can out maneuver Trump by
cutting rare earth minerals to.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
The rest of the world.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
This is a very complicated topic on its own because
rare earth. We have rare earth minerals here, we haven't
been mining them. I think a lot of this is
because the environmental lobby and concerns about, oh, the mining
is going to be so terrible, So China's been doing it,
and now China is this massive provider of rare earth
to the whole world. You need these things for the
electronics that we all now rely on for our day
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to day lives. So the China negotiation clay is heating
up right At the same time, we are entering now
another fate of the Russia negotiation, which you were laying out.
Here's my sense of this. I do not believe that
Trump is going to get a deal on Russia Ukraine
this time around either. I think that Putin still believes
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that he is taking territory. He may give some indication
of progress via words meaning Putin and we're going to
revisit this. I think that Putin squarely and strongly believes
that he will continue to strengthen his hand and gain
more territory with the battlefield at status quo, and even
(05:03):
Trump saying I'm going to bloody your nose on this
if you don't stop is not going to be enough.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You're going to have to.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
See an actual change in what's happening on the battlefield
because of US weapons and support, and then maybe you
can get to a deal. I think Trump has to
turn up the heat, not just threaten to turn up
the heat, to get to any kind of meaningful just
cease fire, never mind peace deal.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay, so let's build on that to what extent is
giving Ukraine offensive weaponry going to lead to a more
significant battle ground, a more deadly, a more serious Remember
that Russia has nukes. Do you fear that if we
accelerate the weaponry on Ukraine side, that Russia will accelerate
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the use of weaponry on their side, Because that's the
rationale for which giving you weapons that could strike into
Russia have not been done to this point. Do you
buy that as a fear that Russia will accelerate or
increase the level of violence that they bring to bear.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I think that Putin will make noise about that. But
I think that there are a few reasons why he
wouldn't do it. For one, you have Russian and Ukrainian
troops in essentially a trench warfare standoff in very close contact,
such that if this was used, even a so called
tactical nuke used on the battlefield, you would be taking
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I think, a substantial risk to your own forces most likely.
Now people can say, what if you nukes Kiev or
goes deep into the interior, Well, that's a massive escalation
beyond what we have even seen. That would bring I
think the international you know, forget about the international community, America,
the UK, even China at that point be like, what
(06:55):
the heck.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Are you doing?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And you might have reprisals, you might have a respect
from nations that you know get takes us to a
very scary place. I don't think that they're willing to
do that. I don't think they would do that if
we started, If they start lobbying missiles into Moscow maybe.
I mean, you know that there are red lines that
Russians have, but I don't think that more effective weapons
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on the Ukraine battlefield against the Russians results in Russia
deploying and you know, using a nuke. That would be
a very scary world if that happened. And I know
that this is very high stakes poker, but keep in
mind they've been dangling that threat this whole time. I
think at some point people have to be willing to
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call the bluff on it. I'm not sure that Trump is.
I'm not sure how far deep down this rabbit hole
Trump is going to go. But I also think that
he recognizes the Hey, Vladimir, let's be reasonable. Let's be
let's be reasonable men here does not work. That's not
gonna work with Putin. He is not reasonable in the
sense of how we view reasonableness.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I think it comes down. I think the only thing
that Putin responds to is fear. And I don't mean
that he's physically fearful. I mean that he is afraid
somebody might be willing to be as nasty to him
as he is clearly willing to be to them. And
I think Trump has come to see that that might
be necessary. And I think you hit on something important here,
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which is the China component. I wonder to what extent
a piece deal that could be brokeered might involve China
starting to step away for just a short period of
time from purchasing Russian oil because Trump brought the hammer
down on India, and to be fair, a lot of
this Russian oil embargo is complete bs by which I
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mean people say, oh, we're not going to buy Russian oil.
They're invading Ukraine. This is unacceptable, and so Russia share
sells the oil to India at a discount. India then
marks it up some and sells it back to the
rest of the world. It's a ridiculous shell AGAUS. It's
not a bad business for India, right because they're getting
(09:07):
reduced oil gas cost and then they're able to still
sell at a reduced price as the middleman. But this
whole idea that we've cut off Russia's outlets to the
rest of the world with their oil is a total
shell game. And Trump has recognized it. He's put the
pressure on India. Now, will China bend in any way?
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Because really, if you want to curtail the financial might
of Russia. You have to end a fake game. Here's
the other thing they could do, and there has been
some discussion about this, much of it in Europe. Start
letting Europe use all of the frozen Russian assets that
have been seized in overseas bank accounts to pay for
the war against Russia. That to me is something that
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could get Putin's attention in a significant way as well.
I think Buckett is around two hundred or three hundred
billion dollars that has been seized in Russian assets in
European banks by and large. And if you just give
all that money to Ukraine and say okay, Boom, go
buy all the weaponry that you want, and we'll let
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Russia fund the war directly against Russia, I think that
might well get a lot of their attention, and it
feels like to me a significant step that should be taken.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes, there's a lot here that could be done. Again,
I think Trump is going to have to do it.
I don't think that the talking about it to Putin,
even from President Trump, is going to result in any
real change here. That's just based on how this has
gone so far. I would also say one of the
challenges that we have, and Clay this came up even
in my discussions with the Taiwanese leadership in Taipei. One
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of the challenges is that even when America now wants
to sell, not give sell weapons to allies so they
can defend themselves, we run into problems. We don't have
the World War Two all of the above. What was
a factory for cars is now a factory for texts.
(11:10):
We don't have that economy anymore for understandable reasons, but
that's not the situation we are in. So we can't
even ramp up the production of some of even things
as straightforward as artillery rounds for the Ukrainian fighters or
Ukrainian army. So that's a challenge that we run into
here as well. So we can give them more advanced systems,
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but just giving them part of the problem is that
Russia can just put more men and materiel on the
battlefield with a whole lot more in reserve, and our
ability to try to match them for the Ukrainians in
any meaningful way is constrained by we can't make the
stuff fast enough. Yeah, so that's another problem that we're
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running up against here. You know, and you can't just
build advanced factories to make whatever it is, you know,
the various missile systems. There used to be a lot
more defense contractors. There were dozens in the I think
even back in like the eighties. Now it's really just
four that are the primary is four or five, But
they're just a handful that are the major defense contractors.
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And they're not going to operate at a loss with
capacity they don't use, so they're just churning out what
they're churning out. So that there's complexity here to the
battle front that Ukraine is on that we have to
take it take into account here as well, that Trump
has to take take into account when he's doing these negotiations.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
One other bit of news there that could be favorable
is we're now into mid October. By mid November, the
mud becomes so significant, according to everything that I've read,
because winter arrives in Ukraine that the battlefield movement and
attacks diminished substantially, meaning we may now have several months
where there isn't any ability to move the lines in
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an aggressive fashion that might facilitate peace. Now to the
extent that Putin feels like he's captured as much territory
as he possibly can. By the way, several other stories
out there. Again, we begin with that because Trump is
on a call with Vladimir Putin as we are beginning
the show with all of you. John Fetterman big story
in Axios that Democrats are unhappy with him and maybe
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bringing a challenge in the Senate primary in twenty twenty
eight in the state of Pennsylvania. AOC says Republicans are
leading young men astray with their toxic masculinity. Mom Donnie
went on Fox News with Martha McCollum as the New
York City mayor's race inches closer and closer just about
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three weeks away there, and maybe things in Virginia are
more competitive than we thought. Obama has had to drop
an ad for Abigail Spanberger in that Virginia governor's race.
We'll continue to follow all of that with you, but
we want to tell you the headlines out of his
this week speak of joy, relief, and hopefulness for meaningful peace.
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Speaker 3 (15:31):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So we had some interesting stuff going on the political
front for the last twenty four hours. One story that
Clay mentioned to you which I think he's gonna want
to dive into momentarily, Fetterman has been speaking far too
reasonably and making far too much sense, so much so,
so much so that the Democrats are polluting behind the scenes.
(16:00):
Perhaps run a primary challenge against a Democrat senator in
a very important Purple state. Think about that for a moment.
Uh So, Fetterman is Clay. If we gave out trophies
here most improved award, I think you've got to give
the most improved award to Fetterman well in a whole
bunch of ways. And good for him on that one.
(16:22):
We'll also talk about the Mam Donnie sit down with
Martha McCallum.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Uh, Mam Donnie.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Is this guy's gonna be a problem for New York
I can tell you that, And and he may have
his site set even beyond New York City. I'm starting
to see more and more to indicate that after he's
We haven't thought of this in a while because Deblasio
Clay was such a loser when he tried to run
for president. Mayor of New York can be a platform
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that turns into running for president. You know, wasn't born
here though, Oh so he's chapped out. He's been a
citizen seven years. He was born in Uganda, so.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
But I do think to your point, he may want
the Senate, he may want the governor's race, the governor's
mansion then for sure. Yeah, that's the one thing where
I'm like, well, at least he can screw up New
York City and he might be able to screw up
New York State. But I don't think he has the
ability to get any other any other authing. I guess
it's a good thing we didn't change that law for
(17:25):
or change that in the Constitution for Schwarzenegger. Yeah, no doubt.
And uh now there's downsides, right because president Elon I
think I'd probably vote for Elon Musk. Honestly, I think
he's just rational. I get that there's people out there
that think he's wrong on certain issues and that that's fair,
But the Fetterman thing when we come back, I think
(17:47):
is really interesting Buck, because it's not that Fetterman is
is great. It's just he's not totally crazy, and that's
not good enough for Democrats.
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Speaker 1 (18:59):
Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, I'm not gonna say that
John Fetterman is a good senator or that I think
he should be representing the state of Pennsylvania. Dave McCormick,
thankfully is the Republican who knocked out Casey and is
in office for six years and is doing a great
job for Pennsylvania. We know him well. And I think
(19:22):
that doctor Oz would have done a better job advocating
for Pennsylvanians than John Fetterman has because Fetterman is wrong
on most issues, but Fetterman is in my opinion, I
think your's two buck been one hundred percent right on
the Israel Hamas situation in saying, hey, I'm all in
on Israel's right to defend itself, and there's good and evil,
(19:45):
and Israel's on the side of good, and Hamas is
on the side of evil, and he has been rational
when it comes to not calling people who vote for
Trump Nazis. My standard of expectation here for Democrats is
so that if you simply say, hey, most Trump supporters
aren't actually Nazis and they're pretty good people, then as
(20:09):
a general rule, even though we may disagree on politics,
I'm like, you know this John Fetterman, guy, he's not awful.
So I want to play this cut for you and
I because I do think it is emblematic of why
Democrats are so angry at John Fetterman. This was last
night in Washington, d C. At a News Nation town hall,
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cut nine, and I'm going to play a couple of
cuts here for you, but here's cut nine.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I'm the only Democrat in my family. I grew up
in a conservative part of Pennsylvania, and I grew up
and I know and I love people that voted for
President Trump. But they are not fascists. They're not Nazis.
They're not trying to destroy her, the Constitution and those things.
And that's part of another thing. I refuse to call
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people Nazis or fascists, or I would never compare or
anybody anybody to Hitler and those things. And now that
kind of extreme rhetoric is going to continue, We're going
to be more likely in resulting in extreme kind of
outcomes and political violence and doing all these kinds of
things like Charlie Kirk. For me, all I could say
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is is like, let people grieve, give people the space.
I'm not going to use that terrible thing in that
pastic assassination to make my argument and try to put
on my views. It's like my gud. You know, he's
a father that had his neck blown out by a bullet,
and now people have forgotten President Trump was in my state,
was shot in the head, and if that would have
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could you imagine where our nation would be if he
was hit in the same way. With Kirk, we really
got to turn the temperature down.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I agree with everything you just said.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, I would say he reminds me of somebody here
from the Democrat side of things. He reminds me for
those who can recall back in the twenty twenty primary,
sounds a little bit like Tulsi Gabbard to me. When
Tulsi Gabbard, people forget you ran as out Democrat for president,
but she would she would always disappoint the left wing
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base by not being hate. You know, she wasn't hateful.
She wasn't I think Republicans are awful people or whatever,
and you knew that something was up.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think Betterman is not quite as impressive as Tulsi
on a range of issues, but.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It is very hard. Here's what I will say. It
is very hard to.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Be a Democrat in good standing with the Democrat machine
if you do not express routinely hatred for Republicans, if
you are not willing to say they're awful, they want
your grandma to die, they hate you know, black and
brown people. They are If you're not willing to they're
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nazis very hard for you to stay in good with
the base Democrat party. So there's something up here for Fetterman.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Okay, So I want to play one more cut and
then we'll tell you the news. They came out early
this morning relating to Fetterman. Here is cut ten. Democrat
extremism is why we lost. That is what Fetterman is saying.
Cut ten.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
The extremism that people turn their back in twenty four
and that's how we kind of came up short. You know,
I campaigned for thousands, thousands and thousands of miles across
Pennsylvania for Vice President Harris, and it was going to
be incredibly difficult. You could just feel the energy there
and people really have connected there and at a very
fundamental and that's why I tried to explain to my party,
and I'm trying to explain to the party right now.
(23:39):
It's like, this is why we lost, and this is
where we need to be to continue to win for
these things. And there are parts of extreme things emerging
clearly on those things, and that's why I refuse to
follow that, even if that is going to cost me
a support in parts of the base.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay, So this morning lead story in one of the
lead stories in Axios. I love their morning digest. It's
one of many things that I read as I get
through for to start my day. There is a story
that Democrats are mobilizing to come after John Fetterman and
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primary him in the twenty twenty eight primary season. This
is their top story in their Axios am. I will
read it. Top Democrats in Pennsylvania are maneuvering to run
against Senator John Fetterman in a twenty twenty eight primary contest,
threatening to tear the party apart in the biggest battleground
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state in the nation. Axios is Holly otterbeinn rights potential
Democrat challengers bashing Fetterman years ahead of schedule. They think
that it could be Representative Brendan Boyle, Chris Deluzio, Connor
Lamb and they are already running ads. They are already ripping.
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This is funny. When Axios began reporting this story, Fetterman
texted back in response, enjoy your clickbait. Ask to follow
up question. Fetterman responded, please do not contact.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
And so.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
This is where they are. They demand total agreement on
all issues. How does this play out? Buck so Fetterman,
twenty twenty eight still a ways away, but Pennsylvania is
going to be a battleground. If they truly primary him,
it would be nasty, it would be expensive. It would
be I think beneficial to the Republican Party in a
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big way because it keeps the Democrats from uniting in
maybe the most important state still in twenty twenty eight,
there's no pathway to the presidency for Democrats if they
don't win Pennsylvania. How does this play out? Where do
you think we go from here? Did they end up
coming together and singing Kumbaya and the challenges don't happen.
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Or is Fetterman on the Tulsa Gabbard path even if
he himself potentially does not recognize it.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It's a great question. I would say, first of all,
I love watching democrats fight. You know, this is this
is fantastic when democrats are going after democrats. You just
get to get to take out that popcorn, you know,
you get to if your clay, kick back with a
mountain dew even and really enjoy it. Right, So it's
it's so good and and you can just watch and
(26:29):
have a great time. I think that the likelihood here
is that Democrats will back off of this because it
would be so disruptive in a critical state. I think
Pennsylvania by population is the fifth largest state in the
country and obviously the biggest purple state in the country.
Right am I missing one my population?
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I think of the toss up state you are correct,
and is the biggest prize. It's the biggest prize, so right,
Number one is California by population. Number one is California.
Number two is Texas. Number three is Florida. Number four
is New York. Number five is Pennsylvania. I think, so
with that in mind, they don't want to blow their
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own hand off, so to speak. I mean, I think
they want to not do something crazy here. But it
does show a few things.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
It shows that the Democrats cannot rein in their left wing. Really,
the left wing is the base now right, it's actually
the moderates who the Democrats are trying to play kate.
The left wing of the party is the party and
people who are more centrist or you know, the old
union guy who's been voting Democrat for forty or fifty
(27:42):
years or whatever. The Democrat Party is now just set
up to try to fool that person. That's the Joe
Scarborough I mean, sorry, Joe Biden. Well maybe Joe Scarborough too.
Scraw Biden thirteen is Scranton, Joe right, with the lunch
panel on the Chew Chew train. The whole thing, that
whole scam that they ran with Biden is meant to
make old school Democrats think that they still have a
(28:03):
place in this current party. And that's even I think
that goes to the shutdown Clay. You know, there was
another press conference with Speaker Johnson this morning. I'm enjoying
these press conferences as I drink my cross.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I'm glad you're watching them, because I'm just completely tuned
out of mind.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I know you told me you're not into it, so
I'm like, well, I guess one of us is going
to watch these. So I'm sitting there watching and he says,
this is not your daddy's daddy's Democrat party to everybody,
and I think that's absolutely true, and the data you
could pull together for that is.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Irrefutable in my mind.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And the fact that they're trying to hold things up
now to make sure that there's all these Obamacare subsidies.
The Obamacare experiment is a failure. That's one part of
this that I wish people would spend more time on.
But beyond that, it's like Russia with the oil. If
California is getting all these crazy federal dollars just shoveled
(28:53):
to it for healthcare, well, of course, California can cover
illegals as part of its state health care program because
the money is fungible, right, And so this is where
Democrats are being completely disingenuous when they're holding up the government.
They are holding up the government because they don't want
any cuts to funding because they know that the first
thing that they would have to cut in places like
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California is covering health care for illegals. They're not gonna
They're not going to cut Medicare recipients or something. I mean,
that's going to be a you know, they first of all,
they can at the state level, So it's the illegals
and those programs that would get trimmed. And I think
that someone like John Fetterman is in some ways, at
least ideologically more of a more more of a throwback
(29:36):
to that old Democrat party, although I know he's voting
to keep the government shut down. So that's you know,
you got to watch these guys, man, They're wiley, They're
some of these You look at someone like, what's isn't
he had the book that just came out Joe Manchin,
Yeah Man dead Center or a clever title that was
I'm giving his book a plug.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Uh, He's a guy who you think is really reasonable
until the Democrats put enough pressure on him and then
it becomes very unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Well, I mean that's the problem is that Fetterman is
still ninety four percent I think likely to have supported
Democrat positions, But it doesn't take much to be the
most reasonable Democrat. I can't even think of who the
second most reasonable Democrat is right now.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You know what? You know what this is, though. I
think they're going to.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Wait out all of the heat from the Democrat left
on the Israel issue is going to die down, and
they're hoping that that's what happens here, I think, and
then Fetterman won't. Then Fetterman will be he'll be voting
for big spending and you know, he'll be there's a
whole bunch of things that he'll be right in line
with the Democrats on. So they'll go back to being
(30:43):
okay with him in that purple state. I just think
right now there's all this sensitivity from the lunatic left
about Israel and the end of this war. And I
would also note whatever happened to hearing all about the
genocide and the starvation, and there was no starvation there.
It was no genocide. And I think people who were
saying those things should be ashamed, yes, or they should
(31:07):
just be they should be embarrassed for being so foolish
and so we easily misled. But people who were saying
that who knew it wasn't true should be absolutely ashamed.
You know, I'm seeing a lot of people say, now,
well it wasn't It wasn't starvation play in Gaza, it
was food insecurity. Do you know how many people in
America are considered food insecure? Yeah, fifty million. Fifty million
(31:31):
Americans are food insecure. There's a world of difference between
food insecure whatever that means, and starving to death, which
is what we were told was happening and was not happening.
And Fetterman, to his credit, knew it wasn't happening and said,
so well.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Look, I mean there is no one even who is
food insecure in the United States that is starving. In fact,
a lot of those people who would count as food
insecure are severely ovario, right, Yes they are. They are
very fat, and so I mean that's one of those things.
For history, people out there. Being fat used to be
(32:08):
a sign that you were very wealthy, because there was
actual huge food insecurity and lack of food in the
Middle Ages and in times such as those. Now, the
poorer you are, the fatter you are in general in
the United States, which is a sign that you have
access to plenty of food. Maybe not the healthiest food
(32:29):
the options that you're choosing, but you are not in
any way in danger of actually starving. And there are
very few people that I've seen in Gaza. I mean,
you know who's actually food insecure? Were the hostages. I
mean they lost a lot of weight, they were skinning
bones when they were released on Monday.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
They were being starved. They were being starved, yes, and
they're stuh Christian, I'm on poor saying that, oh the
average hotes. You had to apologize for this on CNN,
but the average hostage was treated basically as bad as
the average person living in Gaza. And then she you
saw that clip, right, I mean she I did not,
(33:07):
and she is a vile moro on though, and a
throwback to when people with fancy accents on TV could
get away with anything.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Pull that clip, Greg if you would. Because we didn't
play it, she had to apologize for it and say, oh, well,
I misspoke. I want you to hear it, because I
do think sometimes when you quote misspeak, what you actually
do is tell people what you truly believe, and then
you find out what you truly believe is not acceptable
in the larger community, and so you say, oh, I misspoke,
(33:38):
but let's play that audio because I do not believe
she misspoke. I believe she told you what she really
thought and then was not prepared for the blowback.
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck
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What's going on? My friend?
Speaker 6 (35:35):
Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen. You know it's so funny. I
don't believe in coincidences, but I'm driving on Front Beach
Road in Panama City Beach, and Clay says no, I'm
in the Panhandle. Oh, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
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Speaker 6 (35:45):
I had to pull over and call. I am a
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minority member, English speaking, heterosexual, male, right conservative Jew, So yeah,
I've had enough. The people down here are the nicest, sweetest,
(36:06):
most polite, family oriented. It's amazing, it really is. I
was talking to some of the police officers here. Zero troubles,
you know. So I just want to tell you a
couple of things. The other day you had mentioned you
were talking about what's the percentage of the Jewish vote
that well, you know, was for common and all that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
By the way, welcome to God's Country, the Gulf Coast
of Florida and we will break down Mom, Donnie and
Moore next
Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are rolling
with all of you. Thursday edition of the program. I
have joined Buck in the Free State of Florida. I'm
in the northern part of Florida. He is in the
absolute most southern, nearly part of Florida. But we have
got the entire sides of the state covered. I'm on
the Panhandle, Buck, and I know you talked about when
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you were in the Highlands how everybody who comes up
is super I bet per capita the Panhandle of Florida,
particularly down in the beach area, maybe the number one
most indexed I love you, Clay and Buck audience in
all of America. So this is fun. I'm in Panama
City Beach for the next couple of days and we
(00:45):
are monitoring a bunch of different stories that are out there.
President Trump is as we speak, I believe, unless something
has happened in the last couple of minutes on a
phone call with Vladimir Putin. Trump is Buck. He's it,
you know when you you know he got the role
going a little bit. Maybe whatever your game is table stakes.
(01:06):
Hey JB. Pritzker, one point four million dollars. We've have
some fun with that in gambling earnings last year. Did
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have the Maybe you're on the crabs table and the
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Maybe you just hit on a few of our prize
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picks winners. But President Trump is feeling it right now.
He's got the peace agreement in the Middle East, and
he now is stepping up. He's got Zelensky coming into
the White House on Friday, and I think he's increasingly
emboldened at his hand, so to speak, and the string
(01:48):
of victories that he has put together. And I think
he has expectations that he's going to be able to
find peace in this Ukraine and Russia deal. And it's
going to be interesting to see what his negotiating lever is.
We got a bunch to get into. But right off
the top, Buck, it seems like right now Trump has
decided that maybe the way to get peace is to
(02:09):
make Russia fear if the war continues. Right now, there
is no fear. If you look in the Middle East.
I know a lot of people disagreed with you and me,
but we were right the strike in Iran basically let
everybody know, Okay, there are consequences if we step outside
the lines of acceptable behavior, and right now there are
(02:31):
no consequences for Russia. Those consequences can be economic as
it comes to oil and gas, and Trump has tried
to bring that to bear on India. But it seems
and I'm not sure he's officially going to do it,
but it seems that Trump has decided that giving Ukraine
weapons that can reach into Russia and directly attack Russia's
ability to produce oil, which is what is the money
(02:55):
funding source that is allowing this war to continue, that
maybe Trump is at least willing to threaten, if not
actually willing to do it. Does that kind of seem
to be your read from a negotiating standpoint in what
exactly is at stake here or what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yes, and we should dive into some of the specifics here.
I would just add to it that there's also the
very high stakes negotiation with China going on over trade,
over tariffs, where on the first of January, as of
right now, it's supposed to be one hundred percent tariff
going into effect on Chinese goods, which this is true
(03:37):
trade war stuff. I mean, one hundred percent tariff is
in a little certax. That is now the products will
no longer be competitive entering the US market at the
current rates.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
China is thinking that they can out maneuver Trump by
cutting rare earth minerals to.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
The rest of the world.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
This is a very complicated topic on its own because
rare earth. We have rare earth minerals here, we haven't
been mining them. I think a lot of this is
because the environmental lobby and concerns about, oh, the mining
is going to be so terrible, So China's been doing it,
and now China is this massive provider of rare earth
to the whole world. You need these things for the
electronics that we all now rely on for our day
(04:21):
to day lives. So the China negotiation clay is heating
up right At the same time, we are entering now
another fate of the Russia negotiation, which you were laying out.
Here's my sense of this. I do not believe that
Trump is going to get a deal on Russia Ukraine
this time around either. I think that Putin still believes
(04:41):
that he is taking territory. He may give some indication
of progress via words meaning Putin and we're going to
revisit this. I think that Putin squarely and strongly believes
that he will continue to strengthen his hand and gain
more territory with the battlefield at status quo, and even
(05:03):
Trump saying I'm going to bloody your nose on this
if you don't stop is not going to be enough.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You're going to have to.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
See an actual change in what's happening on the battlefield
because of US weapons and support, and then maybe you
can get to a deal. I think Trump has to
turn up the heat, not just threaten to turn up
the heat, to get to any kind of meaningful just
cease fire, never mind peace deal.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay, so let's build on that to what extent is
giving Ukraine offensive weaponry going to lead to a more
significant battle ground, a more deadly, a more serious Remember
that Russia has nukes. Do you fear that if we
accelerate the weaponry on Ukraine side, that Russia will accelerate
(05:54):
the use of weaponry on their side, Because that's the
rationale for which giving you weapons that could strike into
Russia have not been done to this point. Do you
buy that as a fear that Russia will accelerate or
increase the level of violence that they bring to bear.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I think that Putin will make noise about that. But
I think that there are a few reasons why he
wouldn't do it. For one, you have Russian and Ukrainian
troops in essentially a trench warfare standoff in very close contact,
such that if this was used, even a so called
tactical nuke used on the battlefield, you would be taking
(06:34):
I think, a substantial risk to your own forces most likely.
Now people can say, what if you nukes Kiev or
goes deep into the interior, Well, that's a massive escalation
beyond what we have even seen. That would bring I
think the international you know, forget about the international community, America,
the UK, even China at that point be like, what
(06:55):
the heck.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Are you doing?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And you might have reprisals, you might have a respect
from nations that you know get takes us to a
very scary place. I don't think that they're willing to
do that. I don't think they would do that if
we started, If they start lobbying missiles into Moscow maybe.
I mean, you know that there are red lines that
Russians have, but I don't think that more effective weapons
(07:17):
on the Ukraine battlefield against the Russians results in Russia
deploying and you know, using a nuke. That would be
a very scary world if that happened. And I know
that this is very high stakes poker, but keep in
mind they've been dangling that threat this whole time. I
think at some point people have to be willing to
(07:37):
call the bluff on it. I'm not sure that Trump is.
I'm not sure how far deep down this rabbit hole
Trump is going to go. But I also think that
he recognizes the Hey, Vladimir, let's be reasonable. Let's be
let's be reasonable men here does not work. That's not
gonna work with Putin. He is not reasonable in the
sense of how we view reasonableness.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I think it comes down. I think the only thing
that Putin responds to is fear. And I don't mean
that he's physically fearful. I mean that he is afraid
somebody might be willing to be as nasty to him
as he is clearly willing to be to them. And
I think Trump has come to see that that might
be necessary. And I think you hit on something important here,
(08:20):
which is the China component. I wonder to what extent
a piece deal that could be brokeered might involve China
starting to step away for just a short period of
time from purchasing Russian oil because Trump brought the hammer
down on India, and to be fair, a lot of
this Russian oil embargo is complete bs by which I
(08:45):
mean people say, oh, we're not going to buy Russian oil.
They're invading Ukraine. This is unacceptable, and so Russia share
sells the oil to India at a discount. India then
marks it up some and sells it back to the
rest of the world. It's a ridiculous shell AGAUS. It's
not a bad business for India, right because they're getting
(09:07):
reduced oil gas cost and then they're able to still
sell at a reduced price as the middleman. But this
whole idea that we've cut off Russia's outlets to the
rest of the world with their oil is a total
shell game. And Trump has recognized it. He's put the
pressure on India. Now, will China bend in any way?
(09:29):
Because really, if you want to curtail the financial might
of Russia. You have to end a fake game. Here's
the other thing they could do, and there has been
some discussion about this, much of it in Europe. Start
letting Europe use all of the frozen Russian assets that
have been seized in overseas bank accounts to pay for
the war against Russia. That to me is something that
(09:53):
could get Putin's attention in a significant way as well.
I think Buckett is around two hundred or three hundred
billion dollars that has been seized in Russian assets in
European banks by and large. And if you just give
all that money to Ukraine and say okay, Boom, go
buy all the weaponry that you want, and we'll let
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Russia fund the war directly against Russia, I think that
might well get a lot of their attention, and it
feels like to me a significant step that should be taken.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes, there's a lot here that could be done. Again,
I think Trump is going to have to do it.
I don't think that the talking about it to Putin,
even from President Trump, is going to result in any
real change here. That's just based on how this has
gone so far. I would also say one of the
challenges that we have, and Clay this came up even
in my discussions with the Taiwanese leadership in Taipei. One
(10:48):
of the challenges is that even when America now wants
to sell, not give sell weapons to allies so they
can defend themselves, we run into problems. We don't have
the World War Two all of the above. What was
a factory for cars is now a factory for texts.
(11:10):
We don't have that economy anymore for understandable reasons, but
that's not the situation we are in. So we can't
even ramp up the production of some of even things
as straightforward as artillery rounds for the Ukrainian fighters or
Ukrainian army. So that's a challenge that we run into
here as well. So we can give them more advanced systems,
(11:33):
but just giving them part of the problem is that
Russia can just put more men and materiel on the
battlefield with a whole lot more in reserve, and our
ability to try to match them for the Ukrainians in
any meaningful way is constrained by we can't make the
stuff fast enough. Yeah, so that's another problem that we're
(11:54):
running up against here. You know, and you can't just
build advanced factories to make whatever it is, you know,
the various missile systems. There used to be a lot
more defense contractors. There were dozens in the I think
even back in like the eighties. Now it's really just
four that are the primary is four or five, But
they're just a handful that are the major defense contractors.
(12:17):
And they're not going to operate at a loss with
capacity they don't use, so they're just churning out what
they're churning out. So that there's complexity here to the
battle front that Ukraine is on that we have to
take it take into account here as well, that Trump
has to take take into account when he's doing these negotiations.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
One other bit of news there that could be favorable
is we're now into mid October. By mid November, the
mud becomes so significant, according to everything that I've read,
because winter arrives in Ukraine that the battlefield movement and
attacks diminished substantially, meaning we may now have several months
where there isn't any ability to move the lines in
(12:58):
an aggressive fashion that might facilitate peace. Now to the
extent that Putin feels like he's captured as much territory
as he possibly can. By the way, several other stories
out there. Again, we begin with that because Trump is
on a call with Vladimir Putin as we are beginning
the show with all of you. John Fetterman big story
in Axios that Democrats are unhappy with him and maybe
(13:20):
bringing a challenge in the Senate primary in twenty twenty
eight in the state of Pennsylvania. AOC says Republicans are
leading young men astray with their toxic masculinity. Mom Donnie
went on Fox News with Martha McCollum as the New
York City mayor's race inches closer and closer just about
(13:42):
three weeks away there, and maybe things in Virginia are
more competitive than we thought. Obama has had to drop
an ad for Abigail Spanberger in that Virginia governor's race.
We'll continue to follow all of that with you, but
we want to tell you the headlines out of his
this week speak of joy, relief, and hopefulness for meaningful peace.
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So we had some interesting stuff going on the political
front for the last twenty four hours. One story that
Clay mentioned to you which I think he's gonna want
to dive into momentarily, Fetterman has been speaking far too
reasonably and making far too much sense, so much so,
so much so that the Democrats are polluting behind the scenes.
(16:00):
Perhaps run a primary challenge against a Democrat senator in
a very important Purple state. Think about that for a moment.
Uh So, Fetterman is Clay. If we gave out trophies
here most improved award, I think you've got to give
the most improved award to Fetterman well in a whole
bunch of ways. And good for him on that one.
(16:22):
We'll also talk about the Mam Donnie sit down with
Martha McCallum.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Uh, Mam Donnie.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Is this guy's gonna be a problem for New York
I can tell you that, And and he may have
his site set even beyond New York City. I'm starting
to see more and more to indicate that after he's
We haven't thought of this in a while because Deblasio
Clay was such a loser when he tried to run
for president. Mayor of New York can be a platform
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that turns into running for president. You know, wasn't born
here though, Oh so he's chapped out. He's been a
citizen seven years. He was born in Uganda, so.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
But I do think to your point, he may want
the Senate, he may want the governor's race, the governor's
mansion then for sure. Yeah, that's the one thing where
I'm like, well, at least he can screw up New
York City and he might be able to screw up
New York State. But I don't think he has the
ability to get any other any other authing. I guess
it's a good thing we didn't change that law for
(17:25):
or change that in the Constitution for Schwarzenegger. Yeah, no doubt.
And uh now there's downsides, right because president Elon I
think I'd probably vote for Elon Musk. Honestly, I think
he's just rational. I get that there's people out there
that think he's wrong on certain issues and that that's fair,
But the Fetterman thing when we come back, I think
(17:47):
is really interesting Buck, because it's not that Fetterman is
is great. It's just he's not totally crazy, and that's
not good enough for Democrats.
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Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, I'm not gonna say that
John Fetterman is a good senator or that I think
he should be representing the state of Pennsylvania. Dave McCormick,
thankfully is the Republican who knocked out Casey and is
in office for six years and is doing a great
job for Pennsylvania. We know him well. And I think
(19:22):
that doctor Oz would have done a better job advocating
for Pennsylvanians than John Fetterman has because Fetterman is wrong
on most issues, but Fetterman is in my opinion, I
think your's two buck been one hundred percent right on
the Israel Hamas situation in saying, hey, I'm all in
on Israel's right to defend itself, and there's good and evil,
(19:45):
and Israel's on the side of good, and Hamas is
on the side of evil, and he has been rational
when it comes to not calling people who vote for
Trump Nazis. My standard of expectation here for Democrats is
so that if you simply say, hey, most Trump supporters
aren't actually Nazis and they're pretty good people, then as
(20:09):
a general rule, even though we may disagree on politics,
I'm like, you know this John Fetterman, guy, he's not awful.
So I want to play this cut for you and
I because I do think it is emblematic of why
Democrats are so angry at John Fetterman. This was last
night in Washington, d C. At a News Nation town hall,
(20:29):
cut nine, and I'm going to play a couple of
cuts here for you, but here's cut nine.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I'm the only Democrat in my family. I grew up
in a conservative part of Pennsylvania, and I grew up
and I know and I love people that voted for
President Trump. But they are not fascists. They're not Nazis.
They're not trying to destroy her, the Constitution and those things.
And that's part of another thing. I refuse to call
(20:55):
people Nazis or fascists, or I would never compare or
anybody anybody to Hitler and those things. And now that
kind of extreme rhetoric is going to continue, We're going
to be more likely in resulting in extreme kind of
outcomes and political violence and doing all these kinds of
things like Charlie Kirk. For me, all I could say
(21:17):
is is like, let people grieve, give people the space.
I'm not going to use that terrible thing in that
pastic assassination to make my argument and try to put
on my views. It's like my gud. You know, he's
a father that had his neck blown out by a bullet,
and now people have forgotten President Trump was in my state,
was shot in the head, and if that would have
(21:40):
could you imagine where our nation would be if he
was hit in the same way. With Kirk, we really
got to turn the temperature down.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I agree with everything you just said.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, I would say he reminds me of somebody here
from the Democrat side of things. He reminds me for
those who can recall back in the twenty twenty primary,
sounds a little bit like Tulsi Gabbard to me. When
Tulsi Gabbard, people forget you ran as out Democrat for president,
but she would she would always disappoint the left wing
(22:13):
base by not being hate. You know, she wasn't hateful.
She wasn't I think Republicans are awful people or whatever,
and you knew that something was up.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think Betterman is not quite as impressive as Tulsi
on a range of issues, but.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It is very hard. Here's what I will say. It
is very hard to.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Be a Democrat in good standing with the Democrat machine
if you do not express routinely hatred for Republicans, if
you are not willing to say they're awful, they want
your grandma to die, they hate you know, black and
brown people. They are If you're not willing to they're
(22:55):
nazis very hard for you to stay in good with
the base Democrat party. So there's something up here for Fetterman.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Okay, So I want to play one more cut and
then we'll tell you the news. They came out early
this morning relating to Fetterman. Here is cut ten. Democrat
extremism is why we lost. That is what Fetterman is saying.
Cut ten.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
The extremism that people turn their back in twenty four
and that's how we kind of came up short. You know,
I campaigned for thousands, thousands and thousands of miles across
Pennsylvania for Vice President Harris, and it was going to
be incredibly difficult. You could just feel the energy there
and people really have connected there and at a very
fundamental and that's why I tried to explain to my party,
and I'm trying to explain to the party right now.
(23:39):
It's like, this is why we lost, and this is
where we need to be to continue to win for
these things. And there are parts of extreme things emerging
clearly on those things, and that's why I refuse to
follow that, even if that is going to cost me
a support in parts of the base.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay, So this morning lead story in one of the
lead stories in Axios. I love their morning digest. It's
one of many things that I read as I get
through for to start my day. There is a story
that Democrats are mobilizing to come after John Fetterman and
(24:18):
primary him in the twenty twenty eight primary season. This
is their top story in their Axios am. I will
read it. Top Democrats in Pennsylvania are maneuvering to run
against Senator John Fetterman in a twenty twenty eight primary contest,
threatening to tear the party apart in the biggest battleground
(24:39):
state in the nation. Axios is Holly otterbeinn rights potential
Democrat challengers bashing Fetterman years ahead of schedule. They think
that it could be Representative Brendan Boyle, Chris Deluzio, Connor
Lamb and they are already running ads. They are already ripping.
(25:00):
This is funny. When Axios began reporting this story, Fetterman
texted back in response, enjoy your clickbait. Ask to follow
up question. Fetterman responded, please do not contact.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
And so.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
This is where they are. They demand total agreement on
all issues. How does this play out? Buck so Fetterman,
twenty twenty eight still a ways away, but Pennsylvania is
going to be a battleground. If they truly primary him,
it would be nasty, it would be expensive. It would
be I think beneficial to the Republican Party in a
(25:37):
big way because it keeps the Democrats from uniting in
maybe the most important state still in twenty twenty eight,
there's no pathway to the presidency for Democrats if they
don't win Pennsylvania. How does this play out? Where do
you think we go from here? Did they end up
coming together and singing Kumbaya and the challenges don't happen.
(25:59):
Or is Fetterman on the Tulsa Gabbard path even if
he himself potentially does not recognize it.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It's a great question. I would say, first of all,
I love watching democrats fight. You know, this is this
is fantastic when democrats are going after democrats. You just
get to get to take out that popcorn, you know,
you get to if your clay, kick back with a
mountain dew even and really enjoy it. Right, So it's
it's so good and and you can just watch and
(26:29):
have a great time. I think that the likelihood here
is that Democrats will back off of this because it
would be so disruptive in a critical state. I think
Pennsylvania by population is the fifth largest state in the
country and obviously the biggest purple state in the country.
Right am I missing one my population?
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I think of the toss up state you are correct,
and is the biggest prize. It's the biggest prize, so right,
Number one is California by population. Number one is California.
Number two is Texas. Number three is Florida. Number four
is New York. Number five is Pennsylvania. I think, so
with that in mind, they don't want to blow their
(27:12):
own hand off, so to speak. I mean, I think
they want to not do something crazy here. But it
does show a few things.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
It shows that the Democrats cannot rein in their left wing. Really,
the left wing is the base now right, it's actually
the moderates who the Democrats are trying to play kate.
The left wing of the party is the party and
people who are more centrist or you know, the old
union guy who's been voting Democrat for forty or fifty
(27:42):
years or whatever. The Democrat Party is now just set
up to try to fool that person. That's the Joe
Scarborough I mean, sorry, Joe Biden. Well maybe Joe Scarborough too.
Scraw Biden thirteen is Scranton, Joe right, with the lunch
panel on the Chew Chew train. The whole thing, that
whole scam that they ran with Biden is meant to
make old school Democrats think that they still have a
(28:03):
place in this current party. And that's even I think
that goes to the shutdown Clay. You know, there was
another press conference with Speaker Johnson this morning. I'm enjoying
these press conferences as I drink my cross.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I'm glad you're watching them, because I'm just completely tuned
out of mind.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I know you told me you're not into it, so
I'm like, well, I guess one of us is going
to watch these. So I'm sitting there watching and he says,
this is not your daddy's daddy's Democrat party to everybody,
and I think that's absolutely true, and the data you
could pull together for that is.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Irrefutable in my mind.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And the fact that they're trying to hold things up
now to make sure that there's all these Obamacare subsidies.
The Obamacare experiment is a failure. That's one part of
this that I wish people would spend more time on.
But beyond that, it's like Russia with the oil. If
California is getting all these crazy federal dollars just shoveled
(28:53):
to it for healthcare, well, of course, California can cover
illegals as part of its state health care program because
the money is fungible, right, And so this is where
Democrats are being completely disingenuous when they're holding up the government.
They are holding up the government because they don't want
any cuts to funding because they know that the first
thing that they would have to cut in places like
(29:14):
California is covering health care for illegals. They're not gonna
They're not going to cut Medicare recipients or something. I mean,
that's going to be a you know, they first of all,
they can at the state level, So it's the illegals
and those programs that would get trimmed. And I think
that someone like John Fetterman is in some ways, at
least ideologically more of a more more of a throwback
(29:36):
to that old Democrat party, although I know he's voting
to keep the government shut down. So that's you know,
you got to watch these guys, man, They're wiley, They're
some of these You look at someone like, what's isn't
he had the book that just came out Joe Manchin,
Yeah Man dead Center or a clever title that was
I'm giving his book a plug.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Uh, He's a guy who you think is really reasonable
until the Democrats put enough pressure on him and then
it becomes very unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Well, I mean that's the problem is that Fetterman is
still ninety four percent I think likely to have supported
Democrat positions, But it doesn't take much to be the
most reasonable Democrat. I can't even think of who the
second most reasonable Democrat is right now.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You know what? You know what this is, though. I
think they're going to.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Wait out all of the heat from the Democrat left
on the Israel issue is going to die down, and
they're hoping that that's what happens here, I think, and
then Fetterman won't. Then Fetterman will be he'll be voting
for big spending and you know, he'll be there's a
whole bunch of things that he'll be right in line
with the Democrats on. So they'll go back to being
(30:43):
okay with him in that purple state. I just think
right now there's all this sensitivity from the lunatic left
about Israel and the end of this war. And I
would also note whatever happened to hearing all about the
genocide and the starvation, and there was no starvation there.
It was no genocide. And I think people who were
saying those things should be ashamed, yes, or they should
(31:07):
just be they should be embarrassed for being so foolish
and so we easily misled. But people who were saying
that who knew it wasn't true should be absolutely ashamed.
You know, I'm seeing a lot of people say, now,
well it wasn't It wasn't starvation play in Gaza, it
was food insecurity. Do you know how many people in
America are considered food insecure? Yeah, fifty million. Fifty million
(31:31):
Americans are food insecure. There's a world of difference between
food insecure whatever that means, and starving to death, which
is what we were told was happening and was not happening.
And Fetterman, to his credit, knew it wasn't happening and said,
so well.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Look, I mean there is no one even who is
food insecure in the United States that is starving. In fact,
a lot of those people who would count as food
insecure are severely ovario, right, Yes they are. They are
very fat, and so I mean that's one of those things.
For history, people out there. Being fat used to be
(32:08):
a sign that you were very wealthy, because there was
actual huge food insecurity and lack of food in the
Middle Ages and in times such as those. Now, the
poorer you are, the fatter you are in general in
the United States, which is a sign that you have
access to plenty of food. Maybe not the healthiest food
(32:29):
the options that you're choosing, but you are not in
any way in danger of actually starving. And there are
very few people that I've seen in Gaza. I mean,
you know who's actually food insecure? Were the hostages. I
mean they lost a lot of weight, they were skinning
bones when they were released on Monday.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
They were being starved. They were being starved, yes, and
they're stuh Christian, I'm on poor saying that, oh the
average hotes. You had to apologize for this on CNN,
but the average hostage was treated basically as bad as
the average person living in Gaza. And then she you
saw that clip, right, I mean she I did not,
(33:07):
and she is a vile moro on though, and a
throwback to when people with fancy accents on TV could
get away with anything.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Pull that clip, Greg if you would. Because we didn't
play it, she had to apologize for it and say, oh, well,
I misspoke. I want you to hear it, because I
do think sometimes when you quote misspeak, what you actually
do is tell people what you truly believe, and then
you find out what you truly believe is not acceptable
in the larger community, and so you say, oh, I misspoke,
(33:38):
but let's play that audio because I do not believe
she misspoke. I believe she told you what she really
thought and then was not prepared for the blowback.
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Speaker 2 (35:09):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck
and let's get into this. Ohthough you mentioned this, I'll
play this quickly because wait, we have very little time,
but we have some great call.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Do you want to do the call?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Do you going to Christianna. It's up to you.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Let's call and then and then we'll do them on
a Christy Talk.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I'm poor, the fanciest accent ever to be on television.
Eric in Panama City Beach, Florida wants to chat with us.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
What's going on? My friend?
Speaker 6 (35:35):
Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen. You know it's so funny. I
don't believe in coincidences, but I'm driving on Front Beach
Road in Panama City Beach, and Clay says no, I'm
in the Panhandle. Oh, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I'm in.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I had to pull over and call. I am a
born and bred in New Yorker, born and raised there,
live there now. But I'm down here house hunting on
the on the Panhandle because I've had enough. I'm a
minority member, English speaking, heterosexual, male, right conservative Jew, So yeah,
I've had enough. The people down here are the nicest, sweetest,
(36:06):
most polite, family oriented. It's amazing, it really is. I
was talking to some of the police officers here. Zero troubles,
you know. So I just want to tell you a
couple of things. The other day you had mentioned you
were talking about what's the percentage of the Jewish vote
that well, you know, was for common and all that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
By the way, welcome to God's Country, the Gulf Coast
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