Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Oct 23 2025

NBA Betting Scandal

One of the most explosive sports scandals in recent memory: a massive NBA betting and poker rigging investigation led by the FBI. Clay and Buck break down the details of a multi-year probe that resulted in over 30 arrests across 11 states, involving current and former NBA players and coaches, including Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups, former player and coach Damon Jones, and Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier. The scandal spans illegal gambling operations, insider betting schemes, and mafia-run poker games using high-tech cheating devices like x-ray tables, contact lenses, and altered shuffling machines.

Clay explains how the FBI uncovered two interconnected cases: one involving the mob rigging high-stakes poker games with tens of millions of dollars at stake, and another exposing NBA players manipulating game performance for prop bets, such as Rozier allegedly leaving a game early after signaling insiders. The hosts discuss the staggering stupidity of risking a $26 million NBA salary for $200,000 in illicit winnings, and why legalized sports betting may actually help catch these schemes by flagging irregular wagering patterns.

Oppression Olympics

An in-depth look at the Virginia Governor’s race, dissecting conflicting polls on Abigail Spanberger and why Democrats are sounding alarms despite media narratives of a comfortable lead. The hosts mock MSNBC’s claim that Spanberger’s struggles stem from sexism, pointing out that she’s running against another woman and citing examples of women winning major races nationwide. They argue Democrats are leaning on identity politics rather than addressing policy failures.

The conversation pivots to Spanberger’s refusal to call for the resignation of Jay Jones, the Democratic Attorney General candidate embroiled in a text scandal advocating political violence. Clay warns Virginians that Spanberger is a far-left candidate masquerading as moderate, predicting radical policies on gender identity and sports if she wins. This leads to a fiery discussion on transgender athletes, spotlighting a shocking Minnesota Supreme Court ruling that unanimously allowed a male powerlifter to compete in women’s competitions, citing “human rights.” Clay and Buck slam this as emblematic of the left’s strategy to impose gender ideology through state power, comparing it to COVID-era mandates and warning of broader cultural consequences.

Rep. Jim Jordan 

The ongoing government shutdown, now in its 23rd day, with Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan joining the show to explain why Democrats are holding the line—fear of primaries from the far-left and leveraging issues like Obamacare subsidies. Jordan predicts the shutdown could last until November and blasts Democrats’ Trump Derangement Syndrome as a driving force.

Jordan also drops bombshell news: a criminal referral against former CIA Director John Brennan for allegedly lying under oath about the Steele dossier during the Russia investigation. He details evidence showing Brennan pushed for the dossier’s inclusion despite knowing it was unreliable, framing it as part of a broader pattern of anti-Trump bias. The discussion then shifts to Trump’s record in his second term, with Jordan calling it “the most impactful year of any presidency,” citing achievements on tax cuts, border security, Iran policy, and ending men in women’s sports.

The hour closes with a quick revisit of the NBA betting scandal, contrasting today’s corruption with Pete Rose’s infamous wagers, and a nuanced debate on whether athletes betting on themselves should be treated differently. Clay explains why leagues ban all player gambling to prevent debt-driven corruption, noting referees as historically vulnerable due to lower salaries.

Gov't Shutdown Realities

The latest on the government shutdown, now stretching into weeks, as Clay and Buck dissect explosive remarks from Democratic House Whip Katherine Clark, who admitted the shutdown is being used as “leverage.” Speaker of the House Mike Johnson fires back, accusing Democrats of holding American families hostage to push for $200 billion in Obamacare subsidies and benefits for illegal immigrants. The hosts argue this political brinkmanship is driven by internal Democratic fears—Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries worried about primary challenges from the far-left, especially after Mamdani’s surprise victory in the New York City mayoral primary, which shook the party establishment.

The conversation pivots to the New York City mayor’s race, analyzing the fiery second debate featuring Curtis Sliwa, Andrew Cuomo, and Mamdani. Clay praises Sliwa’s populist message but warns that staying in the race could guarantee

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Thursday edition of the Clay Travis
en Buck Sexton Show, and much to discuss with all
of you. We're back from Fort Wayne, Indiana, where we
were yesterday. Who WO Land had a great time there.
Thank you all for coming out for the live show.
Thank you all for listening in the Greater Indiana area,
because of course WO WO reaches far and wide in

(00:22):
the wo's your state and it was a great time.
Thank you, Thank you. Let's look at what we have
on the docket for you all today. Why is Abigail
Spanberger having trouble in Virginia? The best answer, some people
are saying, the best answer you're gonna hear anywhere, the
most hilarious. We will get to that in a bit.

(00:43):
That Virginia governor's race, of course, very important. More updates
on Kami Mamdani in New York City and what is
going on there. Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, talks
about his view of blowing up these Narco boats. We've
got the military going kinetic on Narco boats off the
coast of Venezuela in international waters, and we shall discuss

(01:05):
that a little more attention being paid to what's getting
in the middle of this whole shutdown fight, including the
cost of healthcare, which I really hope people will start
to pay more attention to. But we're going to dive
into something else here for a moment. I was watching
this morning, I was I was getting prepton. I flew

(01:28):
flew back home. Had you get to the nash By
the way, Nashville Airport is so civilized. It's such a
nice sport, great airport. Miami Airport is trash. I love Miami,
I love Florida. Miami Airport, Miaport is trash. Anyway, Nashville
Airport lovely civilized. There's you know, practically a bluegrass band.
Actually sometimes there is a blue grass band just playing
whenever you walk around there, hanging out. But I was

(01:50):
flying back this morning and I saw this story, and
I watched some of this press conference, and I was like,
oh boy, this is like Clay Travis OutKick def Con one.
This is a thing, the NBA betting scandal. Let's just
start this off, Clay, before you take us on a
whirlwind tour of all the madness. FBI Director Cash Patel

(02:10):
announcing these arrests the betting scandal, the mobs involved Oh
my play one.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
As you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones,
and Terry Rozier were taking into custody today former current
NBA players and coaches. What you don't know is that
this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation
that span the course of years. The FBI led a
coordinative takedown across eleven states to arrest over thirty individuals

(02:38):
today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing.
The men and women that are standing up here today
worked tireless hours, days, months, and years, and the fraud
is mind boggling. It's not hundreds of dollars. It's not
thousands of dollars. It's not tens of thousands of dollars.
It's not even millions of dollars. We're talking about tens

(02:59):
of millions of dollars in fraud and theft and robbery
across a multi year investigation.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Clay, I got to ask you, because I've already had
three people ask me to ask you, as I've passed
walking my dog on the street. What does Clay think
about the betting scandal? Clay take it away, all.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Right, So this is like maybe my most epic wheelhouse.
I've been on Fox News all morning and uh I
watched and listened to the entire cash Ptel press conference.
So let me break it down for you twofold and
by the way, some of you may have questions about
this because I think this is going to be one
of those stories that it connects everywhere because some of

(03:43):
the details are just so crazy. So let me let
me break it down for you. Basically, the FBI announced
two different indictments which were interconnected. The first one it
feels like a movie. The mafia was rigging potoker games
and they were using some of the details here buck

(04:05):
contact lenses that could look through cards X ray machines
to know what cards were coming. There were cameras in chandeliers,
and they were using what they called face cards. These
are famous guys. Imagine they're almost all men to draw

(04:26):
in the card players, the poker players, and one of
them was Chauncey Billups. Allegedly the head coach right now
was of the Portland Trailblazers who was arrested early this morning.
So this is the mafia, which we haven't heard a
lot about for a long time, rigging these high end
poker games. They said the amounts of lost money were

(04:50):
in the tens of millions of dollars. One guy lost
one point eight million dollars in one game. I bet,
I bet that we have listeners right now who were
in these games. I bet I'm just gonna I'm just
gonna toss it out there and that some of these
high end poker games, you guys went and you thought, man,

(05:11):
I just I really had a rough night.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, No, you were the fish, you were the rich guy.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Probably almost all men that they brought in and they
rigged these games. Okay, there is a man named Damon Jones,
former coach and player in the NBA, who was charged
alongside of Chauncey Billups in this case. And then there
was he was the lynchpin to a second case which
had to do with brazen sports corruption and insider betting scandal.

(05:44):
Do we have Jess Tish because this really kind of
sums up the NBA side. She said that Terry Rosier,
an NBA basketball player right now buck for your Miami Heat,
who was previously playing for the Charlotte Hornets, he told
everybody he was going to leave a game early left

(06:04):
after only nine minutes. There were two hundred thousand dollars
wagered on him not achieving the numbers that were prop
betted for that particular game, points, rebounds, assist, and they said.
The proceeds were then delivered to his house where they
counted the two hundred thousand dollars in cash. Now we

(06:27):
have that cut three. Listen to this, and I'll give
you a take on a couple of different angles here.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
In some instances, players altered their performance or took themselves
out of games to make sure that those bets paid out.
One example occurred on March twenty third, twenty twenty three,
in Charlotte. Terry Rogier, an NBA player now with the
Miami Heat but at the time playing for the Hornets,
allegedly let others close to him know that he planned

(06:55):
to leave the game early with a supposed injury. Using
that information, the group placed more than two hundred thousand
dollars in wagers on his under statistics. Rosier exited the
game after just nine minutes, and those bets paid out,
generating tens of thousands of dollars in profit. The proceeds

(07:15):
were later delivered to his home, where the group counted
their cash as the NBA season tips off, his career
is already benched, not for injury but for integrity.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, what is your takeaway? Buck? Can I ask? Yes?
I feel like the kid in the classroom, like I
have questions. I have questions. Okay, how much money does
this guy Rosier make? Because NBA salaries I'll tell you
twenty six point six million dollars this year. So this
is an epically dumb decision that is potentially going to

(07:49):
put in behind bars and make him basically what he
makes on an average NBA game. Thank you. This is
this is what I was wondering about because to me, okay,
so it is mind blowingly stupid, mind blowingly stupid. Forget
about the integrity and all that that's that's baked into this. We,
of course, no, you shouldn't do this, but you're gonna

(08:09):
risk a twenty six million dollar made salary for two
hundred is like twenty four thousand dollars per game right now? Buck?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
So he risked basically one half of a game salary,
one half of one game salary, uh, for to lose
all of it.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Astonishing, astonishing, It's I don't even know what to say,
I that's one of the dumbest criminal capers I've heard
in a very long time.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yes, and and look, uh, I've got so many takes
on this. I mean, I'll hold it up for people
watching on video. I mean I was watching this press
conference live and my jaw just kept dropping the detail
of the ways that they would rig these poker games.
I mean, if you put it in a movie, a

(09:00):
lot of us would say, there's no way that could
actually be true. And listen to it. I think we
have cut four. This is us Attorney Joseph Ncella might
be mispronouncing his game describing the way that they would
cheat in these poker games.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
They used off the shelf shuffling machines that had been
secretly altered in order to read the cards in the deck,
predict which player at the table had the best poker hands,
and relay that information to an off site operator. Defendants
used other cheating technologies, such as poker chip tray analyzers,
which is a poker chip tray that secretly reads cards

(09:40):
using a hidden camera, special contact lenses or eyeglasses that
could read pre marked cards, and an X ray table
that could read cards face down on the table.

Speaker 7 (09:52):
Buck.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
I mean, this is crazy stuff, and so I believe
what happened. This is my theory in general on watching
this press conference, is they became aware that mafia was
involved in rigging these games, and then based upon the
surveillance of the people who were involved in these games,
they were then able to find out that this NBA

(10:15):
rigging of individual bets may also have been going through
the lynchpin connector here, which was Damon Jones, who was
accused on both sides of this these charges. Remember when
they were bringing that preposterous Rico case against Trump in Atlanta,
and you and I were talking about how it was
absurd and Rico is really something that you think of

(10:38):
for cross state mafia illicit fraudulent activities. This to me
looks like a big Rico case, right, I mean, if
you're talking about the mole eleven six states, fixing games
in eleven different states, massive fraud, millions and millions of dollars,
And I know they've had dozen they've had dozens of
people already indicted.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Is that right over?

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Thirty is the number of people that were indicted, One
current player, one current coach, one former coach, and player
connected to the NBA.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
So now Clay was inescapable this morning, you know, I'm
making I'm making my crack at coffee. Clay's on the TV.
I'm listening to this the radio, Clay's other talking about this.
So I have to ask you this. I'm sure others
have asked you. I haven't heard you address this one yet, though.
Do you think this is the tip of the iceberg
when it comes to this kind of fixing? Or is

(11:30):
this the worst of it? Have we already heard the
worst of it? Or is there more?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well, some people don't like the fact that I like
sports gambling, and you're certainly entitled to that opinion, just
like some people don't like the fact that I like bourbon.
You know, I am a center when it comes to
two things like that.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I love to gamble, I like to have an occasional drink.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I actually think Buck that legalized gambling makes it more
likely that we catch people for this, because the sports
books who were described as victims here, the sports books
typically catch illegue, irregular wagering.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Patterns, almost like stock market sec stuff, right like if
someone bets the farm the day before the big announcement
comes out, that's right, that they can tell.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
They caught an Alabama baseball coach, for instance, because he
had an associate allegedly going, I think to a Cincinnati,
Ohio sports book and bet try to bet a ton
of money on a random college baseball game, and they
just said, well, you know this, like it's one thing.
If you walk in and you say, hey, I want
to put five grand down on the super Bowl, that's

(12:38):
not an uncommon bet.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
They wouldn't. It wouldn't raise eyebrows.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
If you walk in and you say, hey, I want
to put five thousand dollars down in a random sports
book on a random college baseball.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Game, women's field hockey, yeah, yeah, yeah, Right.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
If you suddenly walked up and you're like, hey, I'm
gonna put one hundred and k on a WNBA game,
they would be like, hmm sorry. In other words, they
put limits in place. A lot of times you can't
get down the full amount of money that you do.
Therefore you try to go around to different books. Usually
it gets flagged, and that's why the line is adjusting constantly. Right,

(13:14):
there's a market, and if tons of sharp money they
call it comes in on one side or the other,
they wonder about injuries, they wonder about things like that.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I think what has.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Happened, Buck, is the sunshine of legalized sports gambling has
shown us how often, in my opinion, this has been
happening over the past several decades and not necessarily gotten
caught because there isn't a regulatory mechanism by which it
gets caught. Look, the sports books want games to be
on the up and up more than anybody because they

(13:45):
risk if there's a rig, They're the ones who are
risking the money oftentimes and being taken advantage of.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
We'll get into more of this. I'm sure a lot
of you're gonna have some takes.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I'm curious what questions people have out there because this
is a crazy story. Well, sports sports should be an
area where it's actually a totally fair market because there's
really no I mean, the teams are the teams, so
and no one knows what's gonna happen the posing forces,

(14:16):
so it's it's very clear fraud if somebody is affecting
that clear marketplace because of individual gain illicit profit. So
I totally see this as you know, if you have
laws against insider trading, you've got to have laws against
people shaving points or doing these prop out things. I mean,
and I know we do, but I'm just saying you
have to enforce those laws too.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, no doubt. We'll talk about this.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
I'm curious what questions you guys might have because this
is a crazy story. They're gonna make movies about this.
I mean, there's gonna be Netflix documentaries, there's gonna be
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big political showdowns in puting the mayor's race in New
York City. Let's talk about this first. Up here, polls, polls, polls, pulls,
do we have a span Berger? According to New York

(17:15):
Times here with all these different poles up nine, up twelve,
up thirteen, up five, up ten, all this stuff, I
don't buy it. Trafalgar has her up two, which I
think is within the margin vera where's the margin, well
almost the margin verratt. So I think that this is
one of these times where they're trying to tell everybody.

(17:37):
On the one hand, the polls show that spam Berger's
a shoe in, but on the other end, they're concerned
about span Berger at the same time. And this is
just this is just fun for us. As two guys
who make a living doing you know, doing this. There's
just some basically this has cut seven guys. There's just

(18:00):
some basic stuff here that you want to find You
want to find out before you go in the air.
For example, Mika Brzhinski, who really I think, just exists
on television, so that wealthy Chardonnay ladies of suburbs of

(18:22):
major cities have somebody that they can look to who
gives them emotional validation in their politics without actually educating
them about any politics. Because here we go. The reason
that Abigail's Spanberger is struggling. I just told you all
all the polls say that, oh, she's gonna win by
so much, but the Democrats know it's actually pretty close,

(18:44):
and they're worried, and so they're saying the reason they're
struggling is play is sexism play seven.

Speaker 9 (18:53):
It really is incredible when you have Abigail Spanberg Er,
Mikey Cheryl, her background, all the different jobs that she
has held in the military, and also like Elissa Slotkin.
I mean, my god, these women are incredible, and to
them I would say, fight, fight, fight, because.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
We need them.

Speaker 10 (19:13):
I mean, this is something that a lot of Democrats
are grappling with right now. They've nominated women two of
the last three elections for the presidency lost both. There
are some who say, well, we can't do that again,
the stakes are too high. But of course that does
fall into the same Missogyster trap.

Speaker 9 (19:27):
Other countries have no problem electing women.

Speaker 11 (19:33):
Abigail Spanburger is running against a black woman. Yes, so
how is it that Abigail Spanberger being a woman is
the cause of her difficulties?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Claim I just I just need to understand this.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Not only that she's mentioned Elissa Slotkin, who is running
for governor in Michigan. Michigan has a female governor, and
the last Michigan governor's race was our friend Tutor Dixon
running against Gretchen Widmer.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Two women ran against each other.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
So this is just do a smidgen of basic research
and don't dive headlong into the oppression Olympics, and you
can see that there are women winning elections all over
the country, and sometimes women lose elections all over the
country just.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Like men do.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I don't know that any woman has lost an election
because of her gender. In frankly, the twenty first century,
Hillary was not a great candidate. Barack Obama beater. I
don't think Barack Obama beater because he was a black man.
I think he beat her because he was a better candidate.
Bernie Sanders would have beaten Hillary, but he didn't because

(20:56):
the DNC actually rigged the election for her. And Hillary
lost because she did a poor job as a poor
candidate campaigning in the battleground states that she didn't think
she had any reason to be concerned about losing all
over the Midwest, and Kamala, regardless of her gender, may
have been the worst candidate anyone.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Has seen, and she was elevated.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
I would argue to the Democrat nomination because of a
race in her gender. So if she hadn't been a
black woman, I think there's a decent chance they would
have had some sort of short, open Miny primary. But
they were so afraid of being called racist and sexist
inside the Democrat Party that they just said, ah, hell,
go ahead and put Kamala up. We'll see what happens.

(21:40):
May we get lucky. If she loses, then so what,
We'll blame the fact that she's a black woman. I
just there's a desperate attempt here to try and make
themselves victims and the sign of oppression. But they're not
even doing the research that's required to even make the
argument very well. Remember when in the I think very

(22:04):
watchable movie, still as good as it gets with Jack
Nicholson and you know what I'm talking about, Oh yeah's
great movie.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, great movie. Remember when he's he's a famous author
but obviously also a very strange guy or very you know,
socially awkward guy, Jack Nicholson. She says, how do you
write women so well? He says, I think of a man,
and then I take away reason and accountabilities. Now I'm
not endorsing that line. I am just saying that Mika

(22:34):
Brusinski is playing right into that by claiming that a
woman losing to a woman is because of sexism. There
is neither reason nor accountability in that analysis for their candidate.
And Katie Couric, who is still in the game somewhat.
I didn't even know this. I thought she was just
you know, counting her millions and doing whatever. But she

(22:56):
still does the journalisming thing. Sometimes. She called out Abigail
Spanberger because it's just too obvious that Spamberger is trying
to run out the clock and not answer tough questions.
And just let the Democrat machine propel her over the
finish line barely because she won't tell Jay Jones he's
got to drop out. Here's Spanberger's response to Kurrik. Remember

(23:19):
J Jones was the guy running for attorney general. I
think he's actually dropped below the areas now for that AGC.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Looks like hopefully going to win that race because there
has been a consequence from the text chain scandal.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
And Katie Kirk's like, hey, Spamburger, you want to be governor,
you got to be able to draw a hard line
on this. Here's what Spamberger says, Play eight.

Speaker 12 (23:39):
There's a problem here with j Jones. He's the Democratic
candidate for Virginia attorney general. He wrote some texts and
they were released basically advocating for political violence against his
opponent and the Democrats in your state. In other states,
I understand, have renounced his rhetoric, but they have not

(24:01):
called on for a call for him to drop out
of the race. And I'm just curious why is that.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I think there's a couple of elements here, and I'll
speak broadly but also reflecting my own opinions.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
You know, these texts are years.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Old, that's what that's our answer. That's it. We got
we got text a years old. That's the first that's
the first thing we're going with. I what I come
back to.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
First of all, Spamburger is a far left wing candidate,
and Virginians are being sold a bill of goods, much
like we were told that Joe Biden was Grandpa Joe
and he was going to be a very moderate Scranton Joe,
middle of the road leader, and then as soon as
he got in he did everything the super left wing
of the party wanted him to do. Uh, Abigail Spamberger
will do that exact same thing in Virginia. And a

(24:53):
lot of Virginians are being sold a bill of goods here,
and they're going to wake up in a year and
a half or two years and say, how did this happen?
How are there are all these dudes in women's locker rooms?
How is my daughter playing a volleyball game against a
six foot five dude who's smashing volleyball on the other
side of the net. It's going to because Aba Gelsmanberger says, well,
we have to respect the gender identity of these teenage

(25:16):
boys who are pretending to be girls. That's the reality.
By the way, this is crazy. Did you see, Buck?
The Minnesota Supreme Court voted seven to zero in the
judged seven zero all Democrat appointees, that a powerlifter, male
powerlifter was being discriminated against, his human rights were being

(25:38):
discriminated against, and he had to be allowed by the
powerlifting association to compete as a woman. This is a
big frickin' dude. Yeah, you know, like powerlifting, of all things, Buck,
you would think with strength. I mean, this is basically
the most thing that masculinity matters the most on powerlifting
of all things, seven zero, he has to be able

(25:59):
to compete a women's athletics.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
This is a reminder everyone. Their plan, the Democrat, the
left's plan on the trans agenda, trans rights, whatever is
not to moderate is not to become rational. Their plan
is to ride this out until they can force the
insanity on you via the state. They can use state

(26:24):
power first in places like Minnesota and then California. They
can use state power to make you do this and
make you pretend claid right. This is their Their plan
is to just wait till the shoe is on the
other foot and decide that they can make us comply.
It's like we saw with COVID. It's different in terms

(26:46):
of obviously what we're talking about, but just they're going
to use state force to make you do crazy stuff
on trans the second they can. You're going to be
told clap for the two hundred and fifty pound dude
winning the powerlifting competition and say his name is Sally
and he's actually a girl or else. That's the plan.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I mean, for those of you out there who would say, oh,
this is an exaggerated issue, seven members of the Supreme
Court of the State of Minnesota just said it's a
violation of this dude's human rights for the Powerlifting Association
to say you're actually a man, you're not allowed to compete.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
It is. It is absolutely I mean, I know you're
not saying this. It is absolutely not an exaggerated issue
on our side. They make it an issue, and then
when people pay attention, they say, what are you talking about.
It's not that big a deal. It's not happening that much.
This is the argument of cowards. They won't stand behind
the argument until you know. It's like the person who
will only pick a fight with somebody when he's got

(27:43):
his ten buddies there. Yeah, they only want the fight
when they know that they'll be able to use force
to win. They don't want to actually have the debate
in public. They don't want people to understand what's going
on here. And they want to do this in states
like Minnesota, which what has happened. I used to go
camping in Minnesota as a kid, so many nice people,
no crime, lovely place. All I see is bad stuff

(28:06):
now about at least what's going on in politics. And
I'm sure there's still nice camping sites, but politics and
in Minneapolis it's not good now.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I think this is Minnesota. Nice is a real thing,
and many of you in Minnesota know it. I think
Minnesota may be the foremost example of toxic empathy ruining
a state because they have convinced a lot of people.
Well if you don't acknowledge that. I mean, there was
the Minnesota where a dude pitched as a woman and

(28:37):
won His girls team went the softball championship. Like a
six foot two dude was saying, hey identify as a girl,
and they won a Minneapolis, Minissari Minnesota state softball championship.
They beat all these other girl teams so they're trying
to be kind. This is where I think it comes from.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Buck.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
I think it's a good point. They're trying to be kind.
Same thing with George Floyd. Oh, you know, this is
so unacceptable. Look that this is how black people are
treated all over Minnesota, all over the country. The BLM protest.
What happened to George Floyd was a crazy outlier and
what we could do probably whole shows on the calamity

(29:17):
surrounding the criminal prosecution and everything else of Derek Chauvin
in that entire case. But the fact that they didn't
shut down the protest, the fact that Tim Walls and
his wife bragged about leaving the mansion windows open so
they could spell the city burning, as if that was
somehow a sign of pride. There's a lot of white guilt.

(29:38):
I think there's a lot of white kindness that has
used to drive toxic results all over the state of Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well, the courtesy of people on the right, the innate kindness,
desire for respect, civility, and decency has unfortunately been used
as a trojan horse for the left wing radical agenda
on the trans stuff the whole time, the whole time,
Come on this person's having a tough time. Just use

(30:07):
the name, just use the pronoun, just be inclusive. So
now it's that's not macho man Randy Savage. You know,
throwing elbows at these little girls and breaking their noses.
That's Tina. No, it's macho man Randy Savage.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I mean, you see the picture of the powerlifter in Minnesota.
I mean it is a huge it's dude, man. I
mean powerlifting. For those of you who don't lift, men
who powerlift are freakishly large dudes in the first place, right,
I mean, powerlifting is maybe the most aggressively masculine way
to lift weights on the planet. So of all the

(30:45):
things that you could be using to try to compete
as a man in a women's sports, powerlifting might be
is this fairbuck might be the sport where you have
almost the biggest advantage.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yes, I will so. I a long time ago, and
don't come out me crossfitters. I think CrossFit actually does
is very injury prone and I'm not a fan, but anyway,
it's not for me. A long time ago, I used
to go to a CrossFit gym and you know, you'd
put your you'd put your stuff up there, and there
were there were women in there who had quads the
size of telephone polls. I'm just saying, very very strong.

(31:19):
You and I can both bench more than they can easily, yes,
and and and people will sit there and make fun
of us for being slouchy looking radio hosts, which fair.
But we can both bench more than the CrossFit correct.
So like, are we really gonna do that? We really
are going to do this. We're really gonna do this,
you know, wild wild stuff. So I and that's where

(31:41):
we are, folks. The answer is yes, they're not backing
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Speaker 1 (33:12):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
We have a Congress and Jim Jordan with us in
the mix today. What's going on? Congressman?

Speaker 7 (33:21):
Hi, guys doing It's good.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
To be with you, We're good. Can I There's a
few things we have on the agenda for you today,
Serta to talk about in the news. But the shutdown
starting to feel like the Democrats are playing a bit
of chicken here and maybe not going to pull off
pull off the road. There's word that this could create

(33:44):
a shortage and like food stamps for people, and what
is going on here?

Speaker 7 (33:50):
Well, I mean, you guys have talk about this. We
all know this is about the crazy left that now
unfortunately has control of one of our major political parties.
And like I said, I said this, I think the
first week this happened, Chuck Schumer is having a debate
with Chuck Schumer because he was four this six months ago,
but now he's not and it's the darn same darn thing.
But yeah, it's all about their their left. But I've

(34:13):
been telling people this underscores why the midterms are so important,
because the same mindset that says we won't vote for
what we voted for before, we're going to shut down
the government is the same mindset if they can get controlled,
we'll we'll go after President Trump, will and peach him
and do all this stuff that they did. You know,
in his first term. That's that's that's what's at stake here.
So I think the country sees this for just being ridiculous. Uh,

(34:35):
and hopefully it ends sometime soon. But but I like,
like like you, Buck, I don't know, and they go
for a while.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Jim, do you think this is related directly to Chuck
Schumer being afraid of AOC and uh and thinking that
she might primary him in New York because he got some.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, I don't want to. Is that the bigger issue
or is the Obamacare subsidies? In people realizing they're both issues?
But which one do you think is driving this more?
The Schumer shut down or the Obamacare thing?

Speaker 7 (35:06):
Well, I think it's probably the former, because remember it
looks like even leader Jeffries may get a primary in
New York City. So I do think it's this phenomenon
that the hard left hass control of that party. So
I think that is driving this. And remember he Chuck
Schumer took all kinds of heat from the left, including
frankly from Hakeem Jeffries back in March when he allowed

(35:30):
the Senate to pass the Continuing Resolution, So I think
that is certainly big. But then they pick healthcare, because
that's the only issue they think they have, the only
thing that polling shows they might have somewhat of an
advantage if you can trust the polls, because it was
then't going to run on, you know, letting more people
in the country like they did on border security. They're
going to run on raising people's tactics. They're going to

(35:51):
run on men and women's sports. I mean, there's no
other issue they really have, so foreign policy, the president
has been amazing, So I think I think it's a combination.
But I do think it's driven primarily by the hard
left and the fact that that he may get a primary,
the Senate leader for the Democrats may get a primary,
and now there's talk of a team getting one as
a King Jeffers getting one as well.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
So when you break all this down, I said, hey,
I think they didn't want to have the shut down
because the no Kings protest is going on, Jim, and
they didn't want to like bend the knee right beforehand.
Now my sort of political antenna are up, and it's
suggesting maybe they are in a bigger scrap than they anticipated.

(36:34):
With the Virginia race for governor and lieutenant governor and
attorney general, and they somehow feel as if if the
government is shut down, maybe left wing voters in northern
Virginia are more motivated to come out. Do you think
that's also in play here, because that's really it doesn't
make any sense that this battle would be going on
and they would have so little at stake by and

(36:55):
large to not be willing to keep moving along.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
Yeah, that man be the case. And so we may be.
We may be in this till till November fifth or longer,
you know, after election day. But you know, I would
also just ever underestimate just this funt this phenomena about
the left hatred for President Trump. I mean this whole
you know, we've we've talked before. Trump's arrangement syndrome is

(37:19):
a real thing, and these so many people on the
left really have this just this phenomena going on, and
they are just out in any way. They think it's
harmful to the president, harmful to Republicans. Therefore, and even
if it's something as ridiculous as shutting down the government
because you won't vote for what you've already supported for

(37:39):
good Wait, we made this so simple. Here's the cr
It's short term. It's what you voted on, I mean,
and you can't vote for that. Like they're saying, we
need to compromise. We've already did. We given you the
bill that you support six months ago. For goodness sake.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Being a Jim Jordan Congressman from Ohio, you all know
Congressman Jordan, and New York Post certainly knows him because
they've got him in a side by side here I
see with former CIA director Brennan. Because Congress and tell
us what's going on here. There's been a referral by
the House Judiciary Committee regarding XCIA director Brennan for lying

(38:19):
under oath. What's happening.

Speaker 7 (38:20):
Yeah, well, you all know you're not supposed to lie,
but you're definitely not supposed to lie when you're under
oath talking to Congress. And it looks like that's exactly
what John Brennan did. And it looks like he did
that because God bless Telsea Gabbert, the Director National Intelligence,
declassify the report from the House Intelligence Committee from a
few years ago, and that report says just through what

(38:41):
Brennan told us in this deposition. He told us, oh,
I was not involved with the dossier at all during
the whole Russia hoax, Bloni and I didn't want to
included an intelligence community assessment. Well, then we get to
declassify the report from Director Gabbard and it says just
the opposite. It says, oh no, it warrants the dossie
warrants being included in the IICA, And I mean a

(39:04):
person at the CIA concerned the director and said, Director,
this is garbage. Does the underlying intelligence is just not there,
We shouldn't use it. And Brennan's response was, according to
this CI official, yeah, but doesn't it ring true? Just
demonstrating his motive, his bias, his you know, out to
get President Trump attitude. And so look, I don't do

(39:26):
many of these. I've only done a few of these
referrals because I think you really got to have the
evidence that they violated eighteen USC. One thousand and one,
which says you can't lie to Congress when they're and
impede their investigation. But we did it with Brennan, and
we point out in the letter this is part of
the pattern with this guy, because I think he also
lied to Trey Gudi when Trey questioned him a few
years back on the same issue, and of course the

(39:49):
irony was guys we were deposing Brennan as part of
a different investigation. We were deposing him because he was
one of the fifty one guys who signed the letter,
the now famous letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop was
the Russian information operation when they had to stay at
I had to stink at laptop and knew it wasn't.
So we were deposing on that. But we get into
this other Russia stuff and E lies to us about that,

(40:09):
and that's why we think this is this is the
facts are strong, and we sent the we sent the
letter to Attorney General BONDI.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
We're talking to Representative Jim Jordan from the great State
of Ohio. Jim, when you look at what Trump has done.
We were just up in Fort Wayne, Indiana yesterday, Buck
and I were, and I think you can make a
strong argument that this is the greatest year that we
have ever seen of any president in terms of total impact.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
What he's been a wins, not just promises. This is
what we're talking to the Wobo folks about, is that
Trump is racking up the scoreboard. Sorry click, yeah, No,
it's exactly right. And when you look at you were
there for Trump one point zero. How much more efficient
and effective do you think the first year of Trump
two point zero has been than anything we saw Trump
one point Oh what do you attribute it to? And

(40:58):
do you sign on to that take that that we
put out there and that we've been arguing quite a
bit on this show.

Speaker 7 (41:05):
Yeah, one hundred percent signed on to what you guys said.
It's it's been an amazing nine months, rankly, just just
truly amazing. I thought his first term was amazing, But
I do think this is better for a couple of reasons. One,
he's just focused. He's he's been through this before. He
knows how crazy the media is going to be, how
crazy the left is going to be, and it's not
deterring him. He's focused on the mission. Second, the people
he's put in in running these key agencies are actually

(41:26):
Trump people. The first time he had Rex Tillerson for
good to say, he had Jeff Sessions forgiven to sake
running you know, State and Justice. They weren't necessarily on
the team or so. But the team he's put together
and we deal with the Justice R. I mean, Pam BONDI,
Todd Blinch Cash to tell Dan but these guys are
good people who are focused on doing their job the
way it's supposed to be in serving the taxpayers. And

(41:47):
then finally, I would say this, I always say, we
make this job of politics way too complicated, fury dar
and simple. What did you tell the folks you were
going to do when you ran for the job. If
you get elected, go do what you said. And no
one has done it better than President Trump. He said
he would cut taxes, he did. He said he getting
men out of women's sports, he has. He said he
would make sure Iran doesn't get nuclear capabilities with the
help of Isra and our great milcher. He accomplishes that.

(42:09):
He said that he would seketure the border. For goodness
that he accomplished that in just a few months. So
on and on it goes. And he's just focused on
doing what he said what he was elected to do.
And that's what's frustrating the Democrats and why they got
to like, oh, we're going to have to shut down
the government and create some crazy Obamacare issue to to
to justify that, because he is doing what he said

(42:30):
he would do and getting it done in just an
amazing way.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Congressman, how are we looking for the I know it's
a year out, but because we're all focused on this
upcoming election, at least in a few places, some big
races are happening New York, I mean, sorry, New Jersey, Virginia, well,
New York, New York City mayor. How are you feeling
about the Republicans' chances in the House, especially given that

(42:56):
this administration is getting things done, the Republican Party is
keeping its promises, and you know, how do you wargain
that out a year from now?

Speaker 7 (43:06):
I feel good. I mean I feel like we break
the trend, because the trend is typically against this when
you're the party in power in the White House helping
the midterms. But I feel good because of the record
we just talked about, because we're recruiting good candidates. I
do think redistricting is going to net out in favor
of us. I mean, that's happening in so many different states.
It's in the news every day, it seems. And then finally,
I Trump has just fundamentally changed American politics. I mean,

(43:29):
I look at young Town, Ohio. I mean, you can
look at our whole state, but take young Town, Ohio.
Young Town, Ohio. Now, how the Republican member of Congress
representing the city that the state senator is Republican and
the state reps in that area Republican as well. Twenty
five years ago, this was the most Democrat area in
the state and that country maybe, and now it's represented
by Republicans because he has fundamentally changed the party and

(43:51):
politics in this I think truly fighting for middle class,
working class and all Americans, and I think that that
message is getting to it.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Good luck to the Buckeyes as the season continues, Congressman.
I think they are going to continue to roll. And
I know you got Wisconsin connections too. Good good luck
to them because I think they really need it.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
Oh Man, poor Fickle, it's been toughy. You gotta have
a quarterback to win games, and it's just been tough
for the Badgers, no doubt about it. But the buck
guys are, as you point out, looking good. You did
great on the I caught you earlier on this crazy
NBA story.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, I mean, what's your take on that.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
I mean, this is like we started off the show
talking about this, and obviously I was talking about it
on Fox News too.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I mean, this is just all bonkers, huh.

Speaker 7 (44:37):
No kidding. I was joking with with our media guy.
I said, makes you long for the good old days
when Pete Rose only bet for the Reds to win. Yeah,
and as I know it was not involved with the mob.
I mean, this is this is uh yeah, this is
wild and throwing games that I hadn't. I haven't seen
the videos, but people tell me, like there's some videos.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Of the p mean you watch you watch some of
these plays. I mean, yeah, it is. It is bad.
It is very bad. Congressman Jim Jordan, keep up the
good work and we'll have you on whenever it makes sense.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
All right, we'll see you guys.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Take care, consonan appreciate you can. I see a quick question,
Clay actually about this. Yeah, have people tried to make
the case because to me, again as a as a
not not as you know, not somebody who does the
sports stuff professional or college a lot. But if you
want to bet on your team, why is that bad?

Speaker 13 (45:32):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Like if I'm a player and if I'm a quarterback
and I want to bet a million dollars that my
team can win, I understand obviously it's fraud if you're
going against your team. Because the implication is you always
want your team to win. But do people ever make
that case that there's something very different about I. I
have full faith that I'm gonna win this, so I'm
gonna put putting money on yourself versus I'm just wondering
about that because yeah, well I didn't know. You lose.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah Pete Rose did that. You lose and eventually you
end up having to pay back the money. So it
just puts you out of whack. Now, to be fair,
boxers do it all the time. Boxers in Vegas have
gone in and said, hey, I'm gonna put I think
Floyd Mayweather did it. I'm gonna put a million dollars
down on me to win, like I'm gonna walk into

(46:17):
a casino. So certain leagues prohibit it as part of
player contracts, so the caruts for that, because that's well different.
It usually has to be an individual athlete. So some
boxers have bet on themselves. Now, obviously you can't bet
against yourself. I mean that would raise a lot of
red and black as a fraud. But yeah, some boxers
have gone forward. I think some UFC fighters in the past,

(46:39):
or mixed martial arts fighters, if not UFC in particular,
a lot of the contracts as part of the Players
Association do not allow you to gamble on any sport.
Sometimes they'll allow you to do casino table wagering, but
there's always been the fear that you end up in
debt and then as a way to pay back the debt,
you give it away if you really want to dive

(47:02):
into the particulars of you know, sports gambling and refs
have always been the ones that team particularly susceptible. Right
So referees because they don't make as much money most
of us bucks set around and said, you know, a
guy making twenty six million dollars is never going to
be dumb enough to risk it all for two hundred

(47:25):
thousand dollars right now. That's the allegation against Terry Rozier
in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
But we would.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Sometimes sit around and say, you know, if you're an
official and you make one hundred and twenty k, ten
grand or five grand to you is a lot more
than to an average athlete. And so that's always been
like the area that I thought was susceptible. But again,
the bright lights of regulation theoretically would allow you to
get caught called and obviously, if you're an official, you're

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Podcast, third hour play and buck Lie and by today everybody,
thank you for being here with us. We always appreciate
getting to hang out with all of you across this
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hour we pulled the highlight from our friend Caroline Levitt,
the White House Press Secretary, addressing a whole range of

(49:35):
issues including the government shut down, the White House, ballroom
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And then we've also got for you the New York
City mayor's race. There was a debate, a second mayoral
debate last night. Team let me know, we've asked mister

(49:56):
Slee what to come on? Do we have a day
yet for when he's going to come on talk and
explain to everybody? Not yet? All right? Is it a
little busy? I got a lot of days left to
points out radio show though it's a big radio show.
I just a lot of people listening. I just putting
that out there. So maybe maybe'd be good for him
to come and talk to us for a few minutes. Anyway,

(50:18):
that's fine, But we have invited him. We've invited Cuomo
as well. We'll see if he wants to join. Probably not,
but we're trying. We're putting out the ask. In the meantime,
Clay Democratic Housewhip Catherine Clark, she is now famous. This
goes to the shutdown issue. So come back to New
York in a minute. We got a whole country we
got to talk about as well. This shutdown is starting

(50:40):
to feel like it's gonna have some nasty consequences for
some people. I mean, there's gonna be some paychecks missed.

Speaker 12 (50:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I understand people will be getting back pay. But you know,
it's easy to say when you're not living paycheck to paycheck.
I get it. There's stress there, there's stress there. Here
is the Democrat House whip though Catherine Clark, who is
saying said this was an interview in the CHADGM program.
Who is that we know who that I know? I

(51:10):
know he's a Fox guy. Right. Oh, he's a Fox guy.
Yow they said this to a Fox guy. Yeah, okay. Interesting.
Here she is interview with Chad program and here is
how it went. Play eleven.

Speaker 14 (51:23):
I mean, shutdowns are terrible, and of course there will
be you know, families that are going to suffer. We
take that responsibility very seriously, but it is one of
the few leverage times we have.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I don't think that's what you want to say out
loud here and Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House,
certainly jumped on this one.

Speaker 15 (51:47):
Play cut twelve, the second highest ranked House Democrat in
leadership with Catherine Clark, admitted. They admitted openly that they
have shut the government down and that they are using
hardware in American families as leverage for what so that
they can show a fight against Trump and also so
that they can restore two hundred billion dollars in free

(52:08):
healthcare paid for by US taxpayers to illegal aliens. Yes,
that's in their bill, and it's just part of the
one point five trillion dollars that they have demanded to spend.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
We're not going to do that.

Speaker 15 (52:18):
They know we're not going to do that. And she
said in her own words today, quote, we know that
families will suffer, but this is only one of only
the leverage times that we have. She said that in
her own words, and it was pretty shocking today hear
them say that. They usually don't say the quiet parts
out loud.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Clay Democrats are throwing a tantrum and people are suffering.
They're the ones taking the hostages here.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Buck, I got a theory. It's not going to make
you happy. New York City is screwing everybody in every direction.
It's all interconnected. Hakeem Jefferies is worried that Mom Donnie's
top eight is going to challenge him in his house
district in the New York City area. Chuck Schumer is
terrified that AOC is going to challenge him in the
twenty twenty eight Senate primary in New York. And also

(53:03):
Mamdanni is about to destroy the entire fabric of New
York City if he is elected mayor. What seems to
be a large national issue is actually when you go
back and dial in and analyze where the motivation for
everyone that is in a significant position of powers actions,
where those motivations for those actions come from it's Hakeem

(53:25):
Jeffries terrified of a further left wing congressman taking his
seat in New York City. It's Chuck Schumer terrified of
a further left wing Senate candidate, primarily AOC, taking his
seat in New York State. And it is Mamdani, far
left wing, having put the fear of God into Akeem
Jefferies and into Chuck Schumer because he triumphed in the

(53:45):
Democrat New York City mayor or primary over Andrew Cuomo,
the old, more established, more moderate, if still moronic voice
of Democrat politics. In other words, all of this is
a direct result of the surprise upset victory of Mamdani
in New York City, which made Jeffries and Schumer both think.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Uh, oh, we might get cuomoed. Do you buy it?
I think it's all connected. I was very interested to
hear from Jim Jordan that he thinks that the political
calculations within the Democrat Party are a bigger thing than
even the massive Obamacare subsidies that they need or else.

(54:26):
The price of people's healthcare in a lot of cases,
it's going to go way up because Obamacare is a disaster.
But never underestimate the politicians of the left and their
ability to make it all about them, all about them,
Chuck Schumer. What would Chuck Schumer be willing to do

(54:47):
to make sure that he stays in the game and
stays in the Senate whatever he can do. I think
that takes. Yeah, whatever whatever it takes.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I think they looked at Cuomo and they said, wait
a minute, he had all the resources of the Democrat Party.
This guy, Mom Donnie, came out of nowhere, running far
to the left of Cuomo, a name that has been
a legacy institution for two generations, two and a half
generations in New York City. Everybody knows the name Cuomo,

(55:15):
and Cuomo got steamrolled by Mom Donnie. And I think
Hakeim Jefferies looked over his shoulder and said, uh oh,
whatever that guy's name is. That's Mom Donnie's top assistant
that's threatened to run against him, is going to beat me.
They've already seen aoc out of nowhere win a primary
in New York against a longtime congressman. So Chuck Schumer's
had her on the radar for a long time and

(55:36):
been afraid of her. I think, and so all of
this decision making on a national scale comes down to. Look,
it probably doesn't make sense that the Democrat Party's top
House leader and top Senate leader are both from the
same city. America is kind of a big place. I
understand New York City is a significant part of America,
but it shouldn't necessarily be the entire cultural firment of

(55:59):
the Democrat Party. That's where we are right now, with
Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer just living within a couple
of miles of each other in the New York City area.
So I think this is all rooted to fear provoked
by Mam Donnie. And remember, unless I'm wrong, Buck, neither
Schumer nor Hakeem Jeffries have yet endorsed Mom Donnie in
the New York City mayor's race, despite the fact that

(56:19):
he's the Democrat nominee, which is kind of wild. I
believe Kathy Hokeel did, but she's a moron, as we
all know. But I believe Kathy Hokeel has endorsed Mom Donnie.
I think she's the only statewide, big powerful person to
have done so in the state of New York so far.
Since we're talking a little Mum Donnie here. Well, actually, first,

(56:40):
let let's go.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
To this, this from Curtis Slee. Well, he's got a
lot of attention, Curtis Is. He's making waves and making
noise for sure, up there on the debate stage. She's
not not unusual, he is. Uh, well, you know what,
I'm just gonna let I'm just gonna let Curtis speak
for Curtis here. This is from the second mayoral debate
last night. Cut nine.

Speaker 16 (57:00):
It it's us versus them, It's us versus the insiders
and the billionaires. It's us versus Cuomo, It's us versus sojan.
This is a campaign not about power. This is a
campaign about you, the people.

Speaker 17 (57:16):
And I know many of you, hardworking New Yorkers. You
tell me you've been pushed aside, You've been silenced. These
are the people that have all the money, all the connections,
they made their backroom deals.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
But we have something more important.

Speaker 17 (57:30):
We have you, the people, and we're not going to
be silenced anymore.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
We're going to fight tonight. I want you to look
at the.

Speaker 17 (57:38):
Content of my policies to know that I've served this
city for more than fifty years, the city that I love,
and I'm going to share with you my vision to
make New York City safer again, to make New York
City more affordable again, and where everybody once again can
live the American dream.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
It's a good speech. He's not going to be married.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
He is by far the best option. I'm not arguing
with anybody out there that's a diehard Curtis Sliwa fan
that if you or I had a magic wand then
we could pick the same person of the trio still
alive in this primary to be nominated, it would be Sliwa.
Problem is Sliwa stays in the race. He's going to
guarantee that Mom Donnie wins. Eric Adams saw it. Eric

(58:21):
Adams is a current mayor. He stepped out and he
endorsed Andrew Cuomo. They were court sided at the Knicks
last night, and I just I don't again. We got
the invite out to Curtis Sliwa. It's not that I
disagree with what he's saying, it's that he cannot win.
And if he can't win, then unless he prefers Mom
Donnie over Cuomo, and maybe he does, we'll ask him direct.

(58:44):
If he comes on the program, then he is making
a decision that is going to put Mom Donnie into
the mayor's office. Maybe he thinks Mom Donnie's going to
win no matter what, which is, well, there's the possibility
of that too, certainly something that we could look at
it and say, well, Mike factor into his calculations there.
But since we're talking a little Mom Donnie, this was

(59:07):
a moment from the debate where Cuomo and Sliwa tag
teamed the Kami, who, in classic Kami fashion, won't tell
you what he really wants to do until it's too
late and he already has power. This is about ballot initiatives,
and which is very straightforward. People vote on a ballot initiative,

(59:27):
yes or no, Yes or no? Do you want this?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Mom Donnie is like, I don't know about these ballot initiatives.
Listen to cut ten.

Speaker 15 (59:33):
There was a reference to the three housing related charter
amendment questions. I know mister Cuomo's on the record to
saying he favors them.

Speaker 6 (59:40):
We just heard mister Sliwa say that he's against them.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Where do you stand on those?

Speaker 4 (59:44):
I'm appreciative that those measures will be on the ballot
and that New Yorkers will be able to cast their
votes for them. I know that we desperately need to
build more housing in the city, and I also know
that the jobs we create in the building of that
housing should be good jobs as well.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
So what is your opinion? Yes, what is your opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (01:00:06):
So true a politician here, I got it, they're pointing
out when I was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
About answer the question.

Speaker 8 (01:00:15):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
I think on the stage you can see two people appealing.

Speaker 8 (01:00:18):
For the.

Speaker 11 (01:00:22):
Answer the question for once right, My question.

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
To you was do you support the three ballot amendment questions?

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
I have not yet taken a position on those ballot qures.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
What a shaker aa once he takes it to change
it anyway? What a shaka Clay? What do you think? Look?

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
I think it is almost impossible to know what mom
Donnie is going to do because he's never actually done
anything of substance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
He is an.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Incredibly articulate, glib, smiley, glad handling politician who is very
good at social media, and he's good at motivating young people.
But unlike Andrew Cuomo, for better or worse, who has
a lifelong record of things he stood for and done,
and unlike Curtis Sliwa, who has the same mom Donnie
is an articulate.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Shadow.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
I mean he he hasn't actually done anything, which is
why the best thing I can say for Mom Donnie
is just he's going to get into office and not
do any of the things that he said he was
going to do to get into office. And that's not
ideal when you're a politician. The whole purpose of being
a politician is to tell people what you'll do with power.
I think it's possible Mom Donnie will get power and

(01:01:37):
not be remotely what Mam Donnie to get power said
Mom Donnie would be. Does that make sense that he's
the opposite of a transactional politician and he's actually just
a politician who wants to get into office and likes
the power, but isn't really necessarily going to use it
to try and do the things that he claimed he was.
That's the best I just think, Yeah, I just think

(01:01:59):
it's funny that he's savvi at Mamdanni is savvy enough
to know stay a cipher as much as you can
on some of this stuff because he's in the number
one seat and no need for him to make any
waves by taking any positions. And remember Democrats, there's a
long history, well at least a longer and recent history

(01:02:24):
of Democrats knowing what the person they're voting for really
thinks and approving of it when.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
They say what they have to say to get elected.
Perfect example of this was Barack Obama on gay marriage
when he ran in two thousand and eight. They knew that,
Remember it had just lost Prop eight had lost in California,
and then the court overturned that Barack Obama was going
to make. You know, rather, Barack Obama was given a
pass on his gay marriage position because it was believed

(01:02:54):
that that was by the Democrats, that that was what
he had to say in order to become a part
of what he had in order to become president. I
think Mom, Donnie gets the same leeway from the commies,
and I think that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Remember also, how the gay marriage pivot happened for Democrats.
Joe Biden went on and said it before Obama. Do
you remember that it was Joe Biden in some random
Today Show interview I think, suddenly decided that he was
going to come out in favor of gay marriage after
not having supported it for thirty years or whatever of
his political career, and the Obama team was furious because

(01:03:31):
they said this was going to be our big initiative,
this was going to be a big statement that the
president was going to make, and then Joe, you stepped
all over it and made it look like Obama was
following you as opposed to being the leader.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Look, we'll talk more about this. We'll take some of
your calls.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
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